The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 230 - Am I A Theocratic Fascist？

00:00:00.000 Today on the Matt Walsh Show, the effort to shut down my speech at Baylor is ramping up with local news down in Waco now reporting that I am a theocratic fascist.

00:00:09.940 Is that label fair? I will try to clarify today.

00:00:13.540 Also, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez bemoans the price of croissants and says that the minimum wage should be raised because croissants are so expensive.

00:00:21.420 I don't understand the connection. We'll try to talk about that.

00:00:23.540 And also, who struggles more in the school system, generally speaking, girls or boys?

00:00:27.800 I think that's an important question that we should try to answer. And we'll do that today on the Matt Walsh Show.

00:00:37.540 As I mentioned yesterday, there's a petition to shut down my speech at Baylor next week.

00:00:42.600 April 9th is the day of the speech. The petition has now gathered, I think, 1700 signatures last I saw.

00:00:50.540 And now there's a second petition to oppose the petition opposing my speech.

00:00:56.880 And that petition also has 1700 signatures. So we've got a war of the petitions right now.

00:01:01.800 My only hope is that somebody will now start a petition to support the petition, supporting the petition, opposing the petition.

00:01:08.880 And then, of course, just to get things really spicy, I'd like for someone to start a petition opposing the petition, supporting the petition, supporting the petition, opposing the petition.

00:01:17.800 And then, you know, we'll just keep it going until the day of the speech. That would be a lot of fun.

00:01:26.420 There's some other craziness surrounding the talk that I want to get into, as well as some other topics as well.

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00:03:29.380 So, local media down in Waco did a report last night, apparently, about my Baylor speech.

00:03:36.020 And there are a few funny things about the report.

00:03:40.060 So, I want to play, if it's not too self-indulgent, it is a little bit, but I'm going to play this news report about, well, about me, honestly.

00:03:48.360 But there's a couple funny points here.

00:03:50.020 So, I want you to watch this.

00:03:51.040 A war of words breaks out on social media over a controversial right-wing speaker.

00:03:56.880 Good evening.

00:03:57.460 I'm Tara Mergener.

00:03:58.620 And I'm Gordon Collier.

00:03:59.600 He's scheduled to talk next week on the Baylor campus about traditional family values.

00:04:04.800 News 10's John Carroll joins us with more on this brewing controversy.

00:04:08.960 You're right, Gordon.

00:04:09.620 Matt Walsh is a self-proclaimed theocratic fascist, popular blogger, and his official Baylor event scheduled for April the 9th

00:04:17.100 is drawing anger by many in the LGBTQ plus family.

00:04:21.660 So, one Baylor grad has started a petition online calling for Baylor to cancel Walsh's appearance.

00:04:27.700 We're not trying to stoke controversy, but we figured it might get controversial.

00:04:33.220 Ben Allen is a member of the Baylor Young Americans for Freedom.

00:04:36.540 It's his group who got official approval from Baylor to host Matt Walsh at a free event on campus.

00:04:42.020 Walsh describes himself as having controversial and provocative insights into culture, politics, and religion.

00:04:48.900 This one is supposed to be the LGBTQ rainbow flag with the hammer and sickle on it. 1.00

00:04:54.820 But these flyers placed all over campus advertising the event say that Walsh will be speaking on how the left

00:05:00.800 has set out to redefine life, gender, and marriage.

00:05:04.040 And it's the hammer and sickle over an attempt at the LGBTQ flag that some say is inflammatory.

00:05:10.100 Baylor alum Patrick Hill II of Austin has started an online petition to urge Baylor to cancel the event.

00:05:16.960 He says, quote,

00:05:17.920 I started the petition to raise awareness about something that I perceive to be blatant and harmful hate speech.

00:05:23.420 My goal is to have our concerns reach Baylor officials so that they could reconsider having Walsh's anti-LGBTQ plus message

00:05:31.280 as an official Baylor event.

00:05:33.720 Allen says his group has no doubts the event will go on as planned.

00:05:36.900 And he's going to be coming and we're going to be having a great event.

00:05:39.160 So you're more than welcome to come, come and see what he's going to be talking about.

00:05:42.440 And he'll definitely be here.

00:05:44.460 And Hill says he's exercising his rights in starting the online petition, but doesn't want things to get ugly.

00:05:50.380 He says, quote,

00:05:51.440 My goal is to always speak and act with love and compassion first and foremost, like Christ has taught me to.

00:05:57.600 Now, we also reached out to Baylor and this is what we received, quote,

00:06:03.160 As an institution of higher education, we are committed to a thoughtful exchange of ideas and an academic environment that supports inquiry, discourse and diversity.

00:06:13.140 As a Christian institution, we have an additional responsibility to appreciate differing opinions and backgrounds in a respectful, loving manner that extends grace as Christ did.

00:06:23.200 And I also reached out to groups on the Baylor campus who said that Walsh's messages at times target them, and they chose not to speak out on the matter.

00:06:32.780 Reporting live in the studio, John Carroll, KWTX News 10.

00:06:36.100 First of all, I want to be very clear about this.

00:06:40.480 I don't know who that beardless weirdo is in the picture that you saw there, but it's not me. 0.99

00:06:48.220 Um, that picture has been photoshopped.

00:06:50.860 I would never humiliate myself by going around naked face like that.

00:06:55.560 Uh, so I just, I, I completely disavow that picture, that beardless picture. 1.00

00:07:02.420 Second, uh, and this I'm actually serious about the, the ads around campus with the rainbow flag and the, and the hammer and sickle.

00:07:09.040 I have, uh, nothing to do with that.

00:07:11.440 Perhaps people who don't understand how these things work might be confused on this point.

00:07:15.420 But when a student group invites you to come give a speech on campus, you don't micromanage the flyers they put around campus.

00:07:22.580 You're not, you're not sitting there like, all right, show me all the flyers.

00:07:24.820 Where are you, where are you, where are you going to put that one?

00:07:26.060 Are you going to put it in the dorm?

00:07:27.100 Okay.

00:07:27.740 Um, that's just, that's just not how it works.

00:07:29.480 Uh, I'm doing five events this month.

00:07:31.440 I have no idea how any of them, uh, are, are advertising.

00:07:36.700 And so that's just the way it is.

00:07:37.980 If I were going to make my own flyers, um, I wouldn't, I wouldn't choose those, but what's done is done.

00:07:44.040 Um, third, um, and also say that to me, the, the rainbow flag is not some sort of sacred symbol that can't be desecrated.

00:07:53.940 Uh, and I don't consider it.

00:07:56.540 I don't think it's a symbol that symbolizes all people who happen to be homosexual. 0.59

00:08:01.420 It is a symbol of the gay lobby. 0.96

00:08:04.380 You know, it's a symbol of the LGBT lobby and that lobby, as I've said many times, and I will say again at Baylor, uh, the LGBT lobby is quite possibly the most vicious bullying organization in the country, um, with the tactics that they use. 0.99

00:08:21.760 Third, uh, theocratic fascist.

00:08:25.920 There's evidently a lot of hay being made with the fact that I self-identify as a theocratic fascist, which yes, it does say that in my Twitter bio.

00:08:34.760 Um, and that fact is not only mentioned in the media report, but there was a, there was an article in Baylor student newspaper written by someone who's been pulling down flyers, uh, for the event and he's defending his behavior.

00:08:48.360 And, uh, he says in part in his article in the student newspaper, he says, um, here's one reason I pulled down the flyers.

00:09:03.600 I respect the integrity of America's governmental systems, allowing self-described fascists to speak on our campus is not allowing them to exercise their freedom of speech.

00:09:12.740 Rather, it is allowing one whose relationship to freedom is already dubious, a platform to potentially undermine the authority of the U S government and constitution.

00:09:22.060 Uh, what?

00:09:24.420 So allowing me to speak at Baylor would undermine the authority of the U S government and the constitution.

00:09:31.440 I'm not sure I can quite connect those dots, but you know, um, frankly, I didn't read the whole article, so maybe he explains it later on.

00:09:40.720 Why does it say that in my bio?

00:09:42.220 It does say in my Twitter bio that I'm a theocratic fascist.

00:09:44.660 Uh, well, because a few months ago, someone sent me a message trying to insult me.

00:09:49.280 Uh, and the message said, uh, Hey, you know, you should put theocratic fascist in your Twitter bio because that's what you are.

00:09:55.740 And I said, okay.

00:09:57.280 And I did.

00:09:58.100 And, and that's why it's there.

00:09:59.160 That's the whole story.

00:09:59.940 Now you could interpret it one of two ways.

00:10:03.500 You see theocratic fascist in my Twitter bio. 0.51

00:10:05.940 You could, you could say, well, clearly that's a sarcastic joke, making fun of all the people who call him a fascist and a theocrat.

00:10:11.680 Without knowing what either of those words mean.

00:10:14.040 Um, so you could interpret it that way.

00:10:15.760 Or you could say, Oh wow.

00:10:17.360 He is literally a theocratic fascist who actually identifies that way on Twitter completely sincerely with no sarcasm.

00:10:25.580 You could interpret it either way.

00:10:27.560 Which interpretation is correct?

00:10:29.800 Well, obviously the latter.

00:10:31.820 I am literally a theocratic fascist.

00:10:35.040 I do indeed believe that my religious beliefs should be forced on people by the government.

00:10:40.620 Um, and not just the government, but a government headed by me as a dictator.

00:10:45.860 That, and that's just my opinion.

00:10:47.640 Okay.

00:10:47.840 Um, and not just my religious beliefs, but really all of my beliefs.

00:10:51.240 I, I want everything I believe to be forced on you.

00:10:55.200 Um, uh, by, by compulsion.

00:10:58.180 For instance, I recently went on a tirade on, on Twitter against white condiments.

00:11:02.820 Uh, I am racist against white condiments, mayo, cream cheese, ricotta, tartar sauce, ranch dressing. 1.00

00:11:08.320 Um, all of it is garbage. 1.00

00:11:10.140 Um, all of it is for low IQ people, uh, frankly. 1.00

00:11:13.700 And in my theocratic fascist dictatorship, all of those condiments will be confiscated, uh, prohibited.

00:11:19.740 And anyone who is caught with contraband, um, like say, uh, ranch dressing will face execution and a $50 fine.

00:11:29.860 So you see, this is really, this is really my whole thing.

00:11:32.080 I just believe that the whole country should be forced by agents of the state to bend to my every whim and to live, speak, and act exactly as I decree on penalty of death.

00:11:41.820 And, you know, that's it.

00:11:42.700 It's, I, it's not a big deal.

00:11:44.320 It's not like, it's not anything to, to overreact about.

00:11:47.400 I just, I happen to believe that everyone should be forced to do what I want them to do.

00:11:52.180 Um, and then that's just my view.

00:11:54.060 You know, we all have our political opinions and that happens to be mine, but I want to say this.

00:11:58.800 Now, don't worry, uh, because when I complete my takeover of the country, I want to make it very clear.

00:12:05.000 I want to make this very clear.

00:12:05.960 Okay.

00:12:06.100 This is important.

00:12:07.540 My regime will be extremely corrupt, uh, which means that you can always bribe me and I'll let you pass on most of the rules.

00:12:17.540 For instance, um, you know, under normal circumstances, this is a theocratic fascist dictatorship. 0.59

00:12:23.300 Remember, so those who don't go to church on Sunday will be burned at the stake.

00:12:27.820 Usually.

00:12:28.180 Now, if you pay me money, I'll probably let it go because I, you know, because it will be a very morally corrupt regime.

00:12:36.600 I just, I cannot stress that enough.

00:12:39.820 So, um, it's not like I, I, I, my mercy cannot be bought.

00:12:45.200 And, uh, and that's all.

00:12:46.880 It's like, everyone's freaking out about it.

00:12:48.300 Say, oh, you're going to burn us at the stake.

00:12:49.520 Yeah.

00:12:49.640 Well, if you pay me, I won't.

00:12:51.140 So what's, I mean, what's the big deal here?

00:12:53.040 And I can only hope that the next media report, um, makes sure to include that I do believe in burning people at the stake for not going to church or for using ranch dressing or for any number of literally hundreds of, of infractions.

00:13:07.500 Um, and I can only hope that it's, so, so that's, I just wanted to make that a clarification.

00:13:12.780 All right.

00:13:14.640 Let's see here.

00:13:15.340 Uh, a couple of things to talk about.

00:13:17.400 Joe Biden.

00:13:19.700 I don't actually care about that at all.

00:13:21.480 So I'm going to skip that.

00:13:22.540 Um, let's talk about croissants instead.

00:13:25.600 I think that's more important.

00:13:27.380 Our friend AOC, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

00:13:30.180 She tweeted this yesterday.

00:13:32.040 Here's the tweet.

00:13:32.660 Look at this.

00:13:33.080 Uh, she says croissants at LaGuardia are going for $7 a piece.

00:13:38.280 Scared face emoji.

00:13:39.360 Yet some people think getting a whole hour of personal dedicated human labor for $15 is too expensive.

00:13:49.040 Um, first of all, is there anything more millennial than complaining about the price of croissants at the airport?

00:13:57.240 Is there any, could you possibly come up with a more millennial tweet than that?

00:14:00.900 I guess if she was complaining about the price of avocado toast, that would be the more, maybe slightly more millennial. 0.74

00:14:06.360 But, uh, this is, this is pretty close to the top.

00:14:10.180 Also, uh, wait a second.

00:14:12.400 But didn't AOC tell us that the world is coming to an end in part because of air travel and that she wants to ban air travel because of what it's doing to the planet?

00:14:22.540 But now she's at an airport.

00:14:24.220 And rather than being, you know, uh, uh, rather than weeping over all of the carbon emissions, rather than staring out of the big airport windows at all the planes going by and, and weeping uncontrollably at how these carbon emissions are, are killing the planet.

00:14:43.820 No, she's in the, she's at the snack bar worried about croissants.

00:14:49.340 So this doesn't make any sense.

00:14:50.740 And every time I bring this up, people act like it's some kind of cheap tactic.

00:14:55.180 You know, anytime you bring up the fact that, oh, you've got these environmentalists who are still out there flying on planes and driving in cars and everything.

00:15:01.220 And when you bring that up, people act like it's a, it's just a gotcha.

00:15:03.900 It's a gotcha thing.

00:15:04.680 Like, yeah, you know, whatever.

00:15:05.780 But no, it's, it's, this is a, this is a real point that if you, if you say that air travel is killing the planet and it should be banned because of it, well, then you can't go on using planes yourself.

00:15:19.140 Because if you do that, we are going to suspect that you don't really mean it, that you're not sincere.

00:15:25.340 Because if you were sincere, then this, at the very least, using an airplane should be a source of, of, of, of, it should be a moral crisis for you.

00:15:35.600 The fact that you're on an airplane taking part in this.

00:15:39.660 Uh, I mean, if you ever use an airplane, if you really think that airplanes are killing the planet and you, and you use one, it should be only in extreme circumstances.

00:15:47.980 And you should be, as I said, you should really be crying out of guilt the entire time.

00:15:52.240 The fact that you're, that you're worried about croissants tells me that, uh, you're not actually that concerned about the planet being killed by airplanes, which, which tells me that you don't really even take yourself seriously.

00:16:03.340 And finally, of course, how much do you think those croissants would cost if the people putting them into little baggies and handing them to you, um, had to be paid $15 an hour to do so?

00:16:17.800 Assuming this was not a homemade croissant place at the airport, which probably wasn't, uh, I've had many airport croissants in my day because I'm a millennial as well.

00:16:27.680 And, uh, I do like croissants, I'll admit.

00:16:31.000 Um, and, uh, in, in almost every case, they are not made at the, at the scene.

00:16:36.520 And so, so if you think that the person who's just taking it out of the little glass case and putting it into the bag and handing it to you, if that job of doing this, you know, that's all it is to taking it, boom, here, put your card in, you know, and then that's it.

00:16:51.660 Here's your receipt.

00:16:52.240 Um, you know, meanwhile, since we're on the topic of the minimum wage, a bill in Arizona is actually looking to reduce the minimum wage from $11 to $725, um, but only for workers under 22 years of age.

00:17:15.000 And the logic there is that the vast majority of workers between the ages of 16 and 22 don't have any dependents, uh, that most of them are living at home.

00:17:22.960 They're not married.

00:17:23.460 They don't have kids.

00:17:24.460 And so, you know, some of them do have kids, but for the, the vast majority do not statistically.

00:17:28.660 And so if the minimum wage is a little lower, then you could hire more young people, give more people that work experience, but you don't have to pay them as if they have kids to take care of because almost none of them do.

00:17:40.740 Um, and that makes a lot of sense to me, um, though I think the minimum wage should be, should be lowered to zero for everyone.

00:17:48.920 The minimum wage should be zero because the minimum usefulness for an employee is zero, if not actually in the negative, because an employee could cost you money, uh, without, you know, so, but let's just say for the sake of argument, it's zero.

00:18:06.340 Um, what I mean is there are some workers who simply aren't worth $15 an hour or, or 11 or seven or five.

00:18:18.040 Um, and I'm thinking, uh, and, and, and I, and when I say that, I don't mean all of the workers who work customer service or behind the cash register.

00:18:27.260 My point is I'm not, I don't want to lump them all together.

00:18:30.400 When you talk about $15 minimum wage, you are lumping them all together.

00:18:34.520 You're saying, you're saying they're all worth exactly the same $15.

00:18:38.460 Um, I don't think that.

00:18:41.120 So when I, uh, you know, if I go to Wendy's or something and, and, um, and I see, you know, someone who, who came to work without their shirt, even tucked in, moping around, moving as slow as molasses,

00:18:54.900 scowl on the face, making the whole experience miserable for everybody.

00:19:00.880 Um, you know, that is someone whose value to the company is simply the fact that they can push a button and that's it because they bring nothing else to the table at all.

00:19:12.740 Uh, and there are people like that, you know, that we've all experienced, not exerting themselves, not trying any, they are not trying to do anything, but just, and even pressing the button, they get wrong.

00:19:24.460 And they do it as slow as they possibly can, almost like they're trying to make a point that they're not going to rush for you.

00:19:30.160 Um, and I think their pay should reflect that.

00:19:34.580 I think that's fair.

00:19:36.540 Uh, and it should reflect that in part so that the people who go the extra mile and work hard and exert themselves can be paid in a way that reflects that.

00:19:47.500 As I've said before, I think the situation should be by the situation behind any fast food counter should be this, that there are people behind that counter making 50 cents an hour.

00:20:04.200 And there should be other people behind that counter who are making $30 an hour. 0.90

00:20:08.300 That's what it should be.

00:20:09.100 There should be, uh, because that's how wide the chasm is between the most on the ball employee and the least on the ball employee. 0.78

00:20:18.200 That's how wide the chasm is.

00:20:19.440 And I, and I think the pay should reflect it.

00:20:22.360 It shouldn't be that everyone who happens to work behind a cash register at a fast food place or at a mall food stand, uh, that, you know, they all get paid exactly the same because they, they're not all, they, they aren't all the same.

00:20:35.880 Um.

00:20:36.320 Um, so people like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez who want to, you know, uh, raise the minimum wage, they can pretend to be the compassionate ones who are concerned about, you know, making, making sure people have more money and all that.

00:20:53.800 But, but really with the system I'm talking about, the people who really work hard in those jobs could make a lot more money than they do now.

00:21:02.960 And they should.

00:21:06.320 All right.

00:21:07.120 This is interesting.

00:21:08.240 Uh, Jake Tapper's daughter, Alice has, uh, apparently written a book called, um, raise your hand.

00:21:16.720 And, uh, the, the book is encouraging girls to raise their hands in school.

00:21:20.700 And she says there's a problem with girls not participating, uh, in school while boys do participate.

00:21:27.120 And so here, here she is on CNN, uh, with her dad promoting the book.

00:21:30.660 I have to tell you, I, I love the book.

00:21:33.140 Thank you.

00:21:33.580 Uh, and, and I love the story behind it.

00:21:36.560 So just tell us how you came to write this.

00:21:39.180 Well, I started noticing in class that the boys were raising their hands more than the girls.

00:21:43.720 And the girls were just sitting there being silent. 0.95

00:21:47.180 And I was scared myself to raise my hand.

00:21:50.680 So I, um, brought this up to my mom because I wanted to know if I was the only one.

00:21:55.780 She told me to go ask my Girl Scout troop.

00:21:57.920 So then I went to my Girl Scout troop to ask them if they've experienced the same notices,

00:22:05.080 noticing that the boys were raising their hands more than the girls.

00:22:08.620 They said that they also experienced shyness when raising their hands.

00:22:12.400 So I wanted to do something about that.

00:22:14.960 So I, um, got in a, in a meeting with the Girl Scouts Nation's Capitals Council, Lydia Soto-Herman.

00:22:23.400 And, uh, we discussed what we could do with this information.

00:22:26.900 So I had the idea of making a patch for Girl Scouts to earn.

00:22:31.480 Okay.

00:22:31.980 I think it's great that she wrote the book.

00:22:33.900 Um, I just want to be clear about that.

00:22:35.500 I think it's great she wrote the book.

00:22:36.680 I'm not criticizing her.

00:22:38.400 The Girl Scout badge thing is, is, is great.

00:22:41.920 Good stuff there.

00:22:44.360 I do have to say though, um, my experience, this is what interests me about it.

00:22:50.680 My experience was exactly the opposite of this.

00:22:53.860 Exactly the opposite.

00:22:54.560 As a student and now as a, as a parent.

00:22:56.900 As a student, uh, my memory is that the girls were almost always the ones who were raising

00:23:02.600 their hands and participating.

00:23:03.960 And it's usually the boys who, uh, for various different reasons were not participating myself

00:23:09.400 included.

00:23:09.780 Um, and I can say with my daughter, who's five years old, uh, she is much more, uh, outspoken

00:23:19.080 and wanting to participate in things and answer questions, uh, than her five-year-old brother

00:23:24.740 who himself is not some sort of, uh, you know, shy shrinking Violet.

00:23:29.480 I mean, she, but he, but he, but he, she's just more like that.

00:23:33.340 So, and, and, and I thought this was kind of, uh, uh, sort of accepted by everyone.

00:23:42.000 This fact that girls are the ones who are raising their hands and participating in school. 0.98

00:23:47.000 And usually it's boys who are not.

00:23:48.840 And it's boys who need to be encouraged to participate.

00:23:53.040 So that's what, that's what interests me.

00:23:54.860 I mean, you know, she, she's writing a book.

00:23:56.480 Great.

00:23:57.740 Um, but obviously there's some publisher who thought, yeah, you know, we need a, we need

00:24:01.200 a book specifically encouraging girls, which, which fine.

00:24:04.720 I mean, you know, all that stuff is good, but I do, every time I see this kind of thing,

00:24:09.300 I think, well, why don't, why is, why is it that all the encouragement, I get that Alice,

00:24:14.880 uh, Tapper would, uh, she's a girl herself. 1.00

00:24:19.520 She wants to encourage her female classmates. 1.00

00:24:21.400 Great.

00:24:22.560 But I would like to see some publishers maybe start publishing books, encouraging boys specifically

00:24:27.060 in school, because it seems like they are really the ones who need it.

00:24:31.020 Uh, most of the time.

00:24:32.300 I mean, I guess there are some girls who are shy and don't participate in struggle. 0.60

00:24:35.180 I don't deny that.

00:24:36.300 But generally speaking, I mean, any measurable you look at will show you that it is definitely

00:24:42.340 boys who struggle in the school system as opposed to girls.

00:24:46.480 Boys are the ones who have the most problems.

00:24:49.780 Um, and you can look at that based on dropout rate, boy versus girl, look at, you know, average

00:24:54.420 GPA, look at, uh, you know, the ones who normally get suspended, look at the ones who are most likely

00:25:00.100 to be diagnosed ADHD.

00:25:01.720 Uh, it's just, it's boys, boys, boys, boys down the line for those things.

00:25:06.300 Um, disciplinary problems, usually boys.

00:25:09.020 I mean, just across the board.

00:25:10.440 So I would be interested, uh, for any teachers.

00:25:13.840 I know that there are a fair amount of teachers who watch the show or listen to the show.

00:25:16.640 I appreciate that.

00:25:17.740 What's your experience?

00:25:19.480 As I said, my experience is it's almost always girls who are the ones who are participating

00:25:23.580 and who seem to really enjoy school and are really, you know, into it, um, as opposed

00:25:29.360 to boys.

00:25:30.060 And so if you're a teacher, I'd be interested, interested in your experience.

00:25:33.580 Do you find that it's generally girls or boys?

00:25:36.420 And, um, it's not a competition, but I do think it's important because as I said, uh,

00:25:41.320 there does seem to be a hole in the market here where there's always a ton of stuff,

00:25:46.040 encouraging girls.

00:25:46.900 Awesome.

00:25:47.260 Um, but I really think the guys need some encouragement too.

00:25:52.180 I really do.

00:25:52.880 Um, especially in school because I think they're having a tough time than they have been for

00:25:56.900 a long time.

00:25:58.320 And that tends to be ignored.

00:26:00.480 All right.

00:26:00.980 Let's go check the inbox.

00:26:03.260 Matt Walsh show at gmail.com.

00:26:04.640 Matt Walsh show at gmail.com.

00:26:06.380 This is from Brandon says, Matt, thank you so much for taking on the heaven hell question

00:26:10.660 today on your podcast.

00:26:11.580 I love your response and I think the believers, the world over need to revisit the shallow 0.83

00:26:15.440 idea of who is in and who is out.

00:26:18.140 Thank you.

00:26:18.660 Thank you.

00:26:18.920 Thank you.

00:26:19.840 Uh, thank you, Brandon.

00:26:21.060 Your, um, sentiments were not shared by everyone as I will now demonstrate from Laura says,

00:26:28.980 Matt, I enjoy listening to almost everything you speak about, but just cringe when you try

00:26:32.080 to explain things about Christianity.

00:26:33.800 Actually, I want to scream as I listened to your twisted view on many of those things.

00:26:38.120 Please stick to politics or news or sports, et cetera.

00:26:40.620 But leave anything related to Christianity or the Bible for others.

00:26:44.340 I really hope your listeners do their own studying and research and don't take you at

00:26:47.540 your word.

00:26:48.060 For example, the Bible explains very clearly how you get to heaven.

00:26:51.540 It doesn't say that as long as you love, you can go there.

00:26:53.940 I realized that Catholics have a lot of twisted beliefs as in infant baptism, communion, praying 1.00

00:26:58.260 to Mary, et cetera.

00:26:59.180 So please don't try to convince your listeners that what you believe is biblical.

00:27:02.340 Please warn them that it is your beliefs and not biblical.

00:27:04.820 Thanks, Laura.

00:27:05.240 Uh, well, thank you, mom, for that, uh, for that, for that instruction from, from you.

00:27:10.740 I do appreciate it.

00:27:12.220 Um, and thank you for telling me the things that I should talk about and the things that

00:27:15.600 I shouldn't.

00:27:16.860 You know, uh, that is Laura, I would tell you that, that, that is the best way to get

00:27:21.120 me to take you seriously is to start your email with, I am going to tell you the things

00:27:25.260 you're allowed to talk about and the things that you won't.

00:27:26.980 Here are the approved subjects and this is unapproved.

00:27:29.220 Stop talking about that.

00:27:30.200 Um, especially when, you know, I've, uh, been doing this for five years and talking about

00:27:36.240 faith has been like my main thing, but you're saying, no, don't talk about that anymore.

00:27:40.000 So again, very much appreciate the anti-Catholic stuff at the end and really solid as well. 0.96

00:27:45.640 Uh, so just, you really put that together in a way that's going to want, you know, make

00:27:51.480 me want to engage with you.

00:27:52.980 Um, I'm being very sarcastic.

00:27:55.800 I just want to make that clear, but Laura's email is representative.

00:27:59.780 And just so you know, you know, if you do want to engage with someone on, on theology,

00:28:04.060 it's probably best not to tell them at the start with that they shouldn't be talking about

00:28:09.400 it.

00:28:09.720 And then also to throw in, you know, those nasty little, uh, insults at the end, but

00:28:15.380 Laura's email is representative of, of many others I received.

00:28:20.660 Here's the interesting thing though.

00:28:22.620 I posed the question on the show, can love exist in hell?

00:28:28.740 That was the question.

00:28:29.620 And I thought it was an interesting, it's an interesting question, isn't it?

00:28:32.280 That's all.

00:28:32.880 It's a, it's a, it's a question, something we can talk about.

00:28:35.740 Or is hell a place, uh, devoid of love?

00:28:39.020 Can, can, can love, can love exist in hell or is it a place devoid of love?

00:28:42.260 Those seem to be two mutually exclusive possibilities.

00:28:46.100 Now, Laura, um, like many of the emails I received that were similar in tone, Laura made no

00:28:53.700 attempt to answer that question or engage with it.

00:28:56.280 She didn't at all.

00:28:56.820 She just said, stop talking about this.

00:28:59.260 And I, I cannot tell you how much I despise that attitude.

00:29:07.600 Not Laura, I don't despise you, Laura, but that attitude of, I'm not going to engage with

00:29:12.260 what you said.

00:29:12.860 I'm just going to tell you not to talk about it.

00:29:14.880 Um, I really hate that attitude.

00:29:18.600 I think it's a, a contemptible attitude because we need to be talking about these things.

00:29:27.000 Um, so Laura's at, so Laura's approach is just to shout about the Bible, but the Bible

00:29:32.540 says this without, without providing any citations whatsoever, just to say the Bible says it.

00:29:37.940 And then Bible says it, you're wrong. 0.99

00:29:40.100 Shut up. 0.98

00:29:40.520 Um, but I imagine that if I had simply stated hell is a place devoid of love, if I had just 0.99

00:29:49.100 said that and I just left it there and I said, you know, hell is a place devoid of love.

00:29:52.780 It's a, it's a place separate from, from love.

00:29:55.560 Hell is a loveless place.

00:29:56.860 If I had said all that, um, Laura and everyone else listening, they, everyone would have approved

00:30:01.920 and they would have said, sure.

00:30:02.680 Yeah.

00:30:02.820 I wouldn't have gotten any angry emails.

00:30:05.120 Um, well, it's just when I tried to talk about what that might mean.

00:30:10.380 See, it's, it's easy to just say something.

00:30:12.960 It's just a talking point as a slogan and say, ah, there's no love in hell.

00:30:17.180 Right.

00:30:18.180 Okay.

00:30:18.600 Well, can we take it a step further and talk about what does that mean exactly?

00:30:23.040 What, what do we do with that information?

00:30:25.800 Where do we get that idea from?

00:30:29.880 Or do you want to just stay on surface level?

00:30:32.100 Because I think staying on the surface level, I don't see the point in that.

00:30:35.980 I'd like to go deeper and talk about what these things mean.

00:30:39.480 I could sit here all day and just shout Christian slogans at you. 0.84

00:30:43.220 Um, but I'm, have no interest in doing that.

00:30:44.920 I want to talk about what does all that stuff mean?

00:30:47.720 So, um, I say again, hell is either a place where love cannot exist or is a place where even

00:30:52.460 the virtuous and loving may be tormented for all time.

00:30:57.320 One of those answers is correct, right?

00:30:59.100 Hell is devoid of love or it is not.

00:31:02.600 If it is devoid of love, then we get back to my original question.

00:31:06.580 What about someone who didn't come to know God in life, but did come to love as best they

00:31:11.760 can, agape love, real love, not just emotional affection, but, um, really came to love someone,

00:31:19.480 someone else.

00:31:19.900 They, they, they, they, they, they did come to love.

00:31:22.180 They, they, they, they were capable of love.

00:31:24.040 They were a loving person.

00:31:26.300 What about someone like that?

00:31:28.540 Will that loving person be cast into the furnace for all time?

00:31:32.480 Can they be?

00:31:33.400 I mean, logically, is it possible for if, if hell is a place without love, can a, can love

00:31:41.160 even for lack of a better term, can love even fit there?

00:31:46.220 Can it exist there?

00:31:48.920 As I said, a lot of people criticized my thoughts on that.

00:31:51.640 Very few actually attempted to answer the question.

00:31:54.900 Laura said, the Bible is clear about who goes to heaven.

00:31:57.080 I find that most of the time when people start a sentence by saying the Bible is very clear

00:32:02.380 about blank, 95% of the time, that's a good indication that that person has never read

00:32:07.720 the Bible, uh, has never seriously studied it because the Bible is clear about some things.

00:32:13.260 Yes.

00:32:13.940 But on many things, the answer you get in the Bible is very complex and dense and sometimes

00:32:18.260 confusing.

00:32:19.200 And, and that's why theologians and philosophers have been studying it for, studying it for

00:32:23.240 thousands of years.

00:32:24.040 And that's why, by the way, there are about 50,000 divisions in the church with everyone

00:32:29.880 convinced of the rightness of their theological interpretation, because actually maybe it's

00:32:33.940 not quite as simple as Laura here seems to think.

00:32:36.520 I mean, at what point do you look around you and say, well, wow, I mean, all these people

00:32:39.880 have vastly different interpretations of what they read in the Bible.

00:32:43.200 Everyone is completely convinced that they're right.

00:32:46.080 And, um, so maybe, you know, we need to go back and look at it again.

00:32:49.620 Maybe it's not quite that simple. 1.00

00:32:51.320 Or it could be just that everyone is an idiot except for you. 1.00

00:32:55.080 Uh, I mean, that's, that's the other possibility, but you know, I, I, I'm not going to make that 1.00

00:33:00.460 assumption.

00:33:02.320 It's true that the Bible never says that loving people can't go to hell.

00:33:09.100 The Bible never says a lot of things.

00:33:11.840 Uh, there are a lot of things that we take for granted as being true that the Bible never

00:33:17.580 says.

00:33:18.000 I mean, I could sit here all day listing them.

00:33:23.220 Uh, for instance, the Bible never says slavery is wrong.

00:33:26.420 In fact, it arguably says the opposite.

00:33:29.320 So, but, but we, we all agree that slavery is wrong, right?

00:33:32.540 I mean, unless you want to argue otherwise.

00:33:35.780 You're not going to find any direct support for that in the Bible.

00:33:39.380 You won't.

00:33:40.460 And that's a fact.

00:33:41.940 But you feel confident making that statement.

00:33:43.720 Um, why is that?

00:33:50.500 As for hell, the Bible actually, through the vast majority of its pages, says nothing about

00:33:55.840 hell.

00:33:56.360 Um, and when I say the vast majority, through the entire Old Testament, which makes up most

00:34:00.400 of the Bible, um, in terms of the quantity of pages, there is nothing about hell.

00:34:05.700 Um, then Jesus comes and he talks about hell quite a bit.

00:34:09.860 I think he talks about hell more than he talks about heaven.

00:34:13.520 Uh, so it is, so there's no question that as Christians, we believe in hell, uh, because

00:34:18.760 Jesus says it.

00:34:20.540 But even when Jesus talks about hell, he uses several different words for it.

00:34:24.220 Um, he, he, and he doesn't at any point say, okay, listen, here's how you go to hell.

00:34:30.200 Here's how you go to heaven.

00:34:31.360 Here's the fine print.

00:34:32.380 Here are all the particulars.

00:34:33.560 I'm going to lay it all out for you.

00:34:34.940 He doesn't do that.

00:34:35.740 Uh, he, he really doesn't do that with hardly any topic at all.

00:34:39.760 He does say this though, in Matthew chapter seven, he says, not everyone who says to me,

00:34:43.880 Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my father

00:34:49.240 who is in heaven.

00:34:50.780 On that day, many will say to me, Lord, Lord, we did not prophesy, or we, uh, did we not

00:34:55.620 prophesy in your name and cast out demons in your name and do many mighty works in your

00:34:59.320 name.

00:34:59.760 And then I will declare to them, I never knew you depart from me.

00:35:02.880 You workers of lawlessness depart from me, you workers of lawlessness, and some interpretations

00:35:12.100 have evil doers depart from me, you evil doers.

00:35:17.660 So that's, that's what Jesus, let's just look at this again.

00:35:20.360 Jesus says, um, the ones that are getting kicked out here are the workers of lawlessness. 0.96

00:35:27.020 And the ones who go in are the ones who do the will of my father in heaven.

00:35:35.780 Paul says this in first Corinthians, he said, if I speak in the tongues of men or of angels,

00:35:40.360 but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging symbol.

00:35:44.500 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge.

00:35:49.000 And if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.

00:35:54.980 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast,

00:35:59.440 but do not have love, I gain nothing.

00:36:02.960 Uh, then it goes on.

00:36:03.740 Love is patient.

00:36:04.340 Love is kind.

00:36:04.940 We know that part.

00:36:05.980 Um, uh, it does not envy.

00:36:08.480 It does not boast.

00:36:09.200 I'm not going to skip over it.

00:36:09.900 Actually, it's beautiful.

00:36:10.920 It is not proud.

00:36:11.800 It does not dishonor others.

00:36:12.920 It is not self-seeking.

00:36:13.840 It is not easily angered.

00:36:14.900 It keeps no record of wrongs.

00:36:16.200 Love does not delight in evil, but rejoices with the truth.

00:36:19.120 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

00:36:22.060 Love never fails.

00:36:24.140 Um, and now these three remain faith, hope, and love.

00:36:28.860 But the greatest of these is love.

00:36:32.480 Okay.

00:36:34.100 So Jesus says that those who engage in empty acts of religious piety,

00:36:39.560 those who profess faith may be cast out.

00:36:44.060 Paul says that it's a lack of love, which causes that emptiness.

00:36:50.600 Paul also says that love is greater than faith.

00:36:54.220 Faith is important, but love is greater.

00:36:57.180 So what about someone then who has no faith, but has the greater thing?

00:37:04.680 What do we do about them?

00:37:06.800 The person who declared faith in Jesus, but was empty of love,

00:37:10.560 a whitewashed tomb, Jesus calls them at another point in scripture,

00:37:13.480 could be sent to hell. 0.91

00:37:16.620 What about someone who did not declare faith yet was full of love?

00:37:21.720 I don't know, but it's an interesting question, isn't it?

00:37:25.480 It's definitely a question that if you, if you confront that question 1.00

00:37:29.420 and you immediately go, that's stupid. 0.99

00:37:30.940 No, then you're not, you're not taking it seriously. 1.00

00:37:33.580 Uh, I don't, I don't think you're a serious person, frankly.

00:37:37.120 And if you say the Bible is clear on that, then you haven't read it.

00:37:43.720 The question is more complex than you understand in that case.

00:37:47.340 And the Bible is more complicated than you realize,

00:37:49.680 because I don't think you've seriously studied it.

00:37:51.540 Keep in mind, as I said yesterday, that you cannot love without loving God.

00:37:56.820 There is no such thing as, as love apart from God, really.

00:38:00.660 Um, Jesus says you only get to heaven through him.

00:38:03.020 That part is clear.

00:38:04.240 But is it possible to get there through him without realizing it?

00:38:07.260 That's the question.

00:38:07.900 I got a lot of emails saying, well, the Bible's clear.

00:38:11.980 Jesus is the way, the truth, and life.

00:38:13.680 Well, yeah, it is.

00:38:14.520 But what does that mean, though?

00:38:16.560 I mean, what does that consist of?

00:38:19.800 Jesus is the door to eternal life.

00:38:21.360 Yes, but, but right.

00:38:22.920 Jesus decides who goes to heaven.

00:38:24.160 We all go through him.

00:38:25.240 Is it possible for someone who didn't realize they were going to heaven through him to still do so?

00:38:31.540 Is that a, is that a determination that Jesus can make?

00:38:35.220 Are you prepared to say that Jesus cannot make that determination?

00:38:38.380 Are you prepared to declare that he never will and never did?

00:38:42.480 I'm not.

00:38:46.320 So, is it possible to love God without being fully conscious of the fact that you are loving him?

00:38:52.000 If God is love, then all love, true love, is of God.

00:38:56.480 I didn't say that love is God.

00:38:57.740 I said all love, God is love, therefore all love is of God.

00:39:01.800 All true love is of God.

00:39:04.140 So it seems to me that a person may love with a love that is of God.

00:39:08.340 Which is just another way of saying it's actual real love.

00:39:11.700 Without being fully cognizant of it.

00:39:14.700 And Jesus, who is the way, the truth, and the life, may admit someone through those doors who will be surprised by the fact.

00:39:22.140 And just as there are going to be people who expect to be admitted, but won't be.

00:39:26.880 That's what I see in the text.

00:39:29.000 And that's also, I think, a logical conclusion based on our understanding of hell.

00:39:32.120 And that's when I say I'm trying to, we can throw verses at each other all day.

00:39:35.560 But at a certain point, you've got to take the concepts and try to understand them.

00:39:39.660 What does this actually mean?

00:39:43.760 If, keep something, one other thing here.

00:39:45.620 If you're of the opinion that only those who consciously affirm Christ can go to heaven.

00:39:51.460 And that, for some reason, that mental affirmation is all that matters.

00:39:59.100 Then, as we've talked about before, by that logic, every dead baby is in hell. 0.60

00:40:04.540 Every single one. 0.99

00:40:05.340 Every Jew who died in the Holocaust is in hell.

00:40:09.940 And many of the Nazis who sent them there are in heaven. 0.92

00:40:14.980 Now, Nazism was not a Christian invention by any means.

00:40:18.280 It was an atheist invention. 0.93

00:40:19.580 But there's no question about the fact that many individual Nazis were Christian. 0.99

00:40:25.220 And bad Christians, evil people, but Christian. 1.00

00:40:29.780 So, this is the implication of a belief that puts conscious affirmation of Christ as the highest and really only qualification. 0.97

00:40:38.120 The problem is that belief not only leads to utterly monstrous conclusions, like the one that I've described here,

00:40:44.320 but it simply doesn't wash with the two verses I just read.

00:40:53.080 You know, with Jesus there, that to me is the clearest statement in the Bible about how you get to heaven.

00:40:58.680 Is that right there?

00:40:59.620 Because it's from Jesus' mouth, and he's saying, here it is.

00:41:02.560 But even that, it takes some understanding.

00:41:04.540 You've got to look at it in context and everything.

00:41:05.980 So, even that isn't quite as simple as it seems.

00:41:08.260 But that's as simple as it gets.

00:41:10.780 I think the problem is some people, they like to overlook what Jesus said on certain matters

00:41:16.360 by finding various quotes in the Pauline epistles

00:41:19.000 and then stitching together kind of a road to get around what Jesus said.

00:41:24.080 Well, we could do that.

00:41:25.000 I mean, we can have a verse war, like a food fight, fighting back and forth.

00:41:28.080 Oh, yeah, well, it says this here.

00:41:29.220 It says that there.

00:41:29.960 Back and forth.

00:41:30.480 Here's my verse.

00:41:31.060 Here's there.

00:41:31.340 We can do that.

00:41:32.000 You know, we can.

00:41:33.320 Or we can try to come to a more cohesive understanding of the entire text and of our faith

00:41:39.720 by dealing with these subjects on a deeper level.

00:41:42.640 You know, and so that's what I choose to do.

00:41:47.220 Let's see.

00:41:51.020 I'm trying to see here.

00:41:52.000 I got a bunch of emails.

00:41:52.940 I just spent way too much time on that one.

00:41:54.380 From Jonathan, no offense, but after listening to your show today on said topic, I was wondering

00:42:00.900 how much of the New Testament you've read.

00:42:03.340 Jesus tells a literal story of a man that is in hell and looks up and begs Abraham to 0.82

00:42:06.720 give him a drop of water.

00:42:07.900 When Abraham refuses, the man selflessly, and I would say lovingly, begs for his family

00:42:11.700 to be warned, which is refused.

00:42:13.340 That one story from Jesus himself completely contradicts your entire statement, which I

00:42:16.580 would say is based purely on conjecture since you didn't quote one verse.

00:42:19.500 That being said, keep up the interesting dialogue.

00:42:22.620 Jonathan, I don't mean to be pedantic, but that was not a literal story.

00:42:25.680 It was a parable that Jesus told.

00:42:27.960 And that's not just my assumption.

00:42:29.840 That's definitely, in context, a parable.

00:42:32.380 Jesus wasn't saying that this literal thing actually happened, and I'm telling you a biographical

00:42:37.180 story about this guy, Lazarus.

00:42:40.420 It was a parable.

00:42:41.760 So the question is, what are we meant to learn from it?

00:42:44.640 Is that the point that Jesus was trying to make, that a loving guy might go to hell?

00:42:49.100 No, I think exactly the opposite, actually.

00:42:51.520 That story, I think, completely supports my point of view.

00:42:55.800 How is it that the rich man ended up in hell?

00:42:59.980 What did he do wrong?

00:43:01.700 Was it that he didn't believe in God?

00:43:02.980 No, that was never mentioned.

00:43:05.100 Jesus never said anything about the rich man's faith.

00:43:07.460 He ended up in hell because he was greedy, and he was sitting at his table, eating all

00:43:12.400 the food, never feeding Lazarus.

00:43:15.380 He showed no love or generosity to Lazarus.

00:43:18.160 That's why he went to hell in the parable. 0.99

00:43:20.900 He was an unloving, greedy person. 1.00

00:43:23.540 That's how he ended up there. 0.96

00:43:24.840 Never said anything about what he believed, anything about it.

00:43:27.260 It said nothing about that. 0.99

00:43:29.020 He got there because he was a greedy, selfish SOB. 0.81

00:43:32.860 And I think that's the point that we get from that. 0.72

00:43:38.320 I don't think the point was that he was really a loving guy, because if that's the case, then

00:43:43.480 read the parable again.

00:43:45.200 Well, then how did he end up there?

00:43:46.320 Why was he there?

00:43:52.300 And we can be pretty sure it's not a literal story, because I don't think that people in

00:43:55.640 hell are actually carrying on conversations with people in heaven.

00:43:58.880 I don't think it works that way, because in fact, in that parable, it says that there's

00:44:02.580 an unbridgeable chasm between the two, which I think tells us that we're not, if you're

00:44:06.780 in hell, you're not going to be carrying on conversations with the people who are not

00:44:09.100 there.

00:44:10.840 Finally, let's see.

00:44:16.020 This is from Bryce, says, good afternoon, Matt.

00:44:19.460 Your beard is weak.

00:44:20.500 Grow a bigger one.

00:44:21.320 Bryce, I have received a lot of vicious hate mail in my day, but that just is beyond the

00:44:35.740 pale.

00:44:40.300 And you know what it tells me?

00:44:41.460 It tells me that you, Bryce, must not be a beardsman, because a true beardsman would never

00:44:46.820 beard shame another beardsman.

00:44:47.980 And so I think, Bryce, I think what's happening here is that you are a baby-faced, clean-shaven

00:44:53.000 person, and you are trying to sow discord and division in the bearded community with that

00:44:59.240 email.

00:44:59.580 And I'm not going to fall for it.

00:45:00.760 I just won't.

00:45:01.940 How dare you?

00:45:04.080 I could grow a little bit bigger.

00:45:05.500 I think you're right about that.

00:45:06.440 All right.

00:45:06.720 We'll leave it there.

00:45:07.380 Thanks, everybody, for watching.

00:45:08.220 Godspeed.

00:45:09.320 Hey, everyone.

00:45:23.000 It's Andrew Klavan, host of The Andrew Klavan Show.

00:45:25.620 You know, young people have stopped mating.

00:45:28.020 They've stopped not just having sex, but stopped getting married.

00:45:30.680 They're not having children.

00:45:32.120 It's not a good thing.

00:45:33.140 Does it have anything to do with leftism?

00:45:34.680 You bet it does.

00:45:35.900 I'm Andrew Klavan.

00:45:36.720 That's on The Andrew Klavan Show.

The Matt Walsh Show - April 02, 2019

Ep. 230 - Am I A Theocratic Fascist？

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