The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 232 - Bad Faith Arguments Abound

00:00:00.000 Today on the Matt Wall Show, Joe Biden struggles to respect personal space.

00:00:03.980 Is that a huge scandal that we should all care about?

00:00:06.160 No, but we'll talk about it.

00:00:07.540 Also, a woman gives birth to her son's child.

00:00:11.500 We will look at the lengths that people go to in order to get around biology.

00:00:16.720 And here's something I really want to talk about today.

00:00:19.080 Should Christians cite the Bible when they're arguing about cultural issues 0.88

00:00:23.220 with people who don't believe in the Bible?

00:00:25.500 I will say no, and I'll explain why today on the Matt Wall Show.

00:00:30.000 Well, here I am in beautiful Boston, Massachusetts.

00:00:39.240 Beautiful except for all the Patriots paraphernalia muddying up the joint.

00:00:42.660 But except for that, I'll be speaking at Boston University tonight.

00:00:47.240 And it is at 7 o'clock, and it's free for everyone.

00:00:49.900 So if you're in the area, you want to come out, I hope I see you there.

00:00:52.100 It was a little bit of a precarious situation getting here, I have to admit,

00:00:54.880 mainly from the airport to the hotel and the cab ride between those two places.

00:01:01.080 It was about a 40-minute cab ride because of all the traffic.

00:01:03.480 And I'm pretty sure that my cab driver was talking to himself the whole time.

00:01:07.020 Now, he could have had an earpiece in, and he was talking to someone on the phone.

00:01:10.220 I don't know.

00:01:10.600 I didn't see an earpiece.

00:01:11.660 I couldn't see his left ear that well.

00:01:13.180 But the thing is, he was talking so quietly, like muttering, that it's just there's no way

00:01:18.080 that someone on the other line would be able to hear him.

00:01:20.180 And also, he would only say something like every five minutes.

00:01:24.140 And I'm pretty sure he wasn't talking to me.

00:01:26.900 And then I thought, well, what kind of phone conversation is that if you're only saying

00:01:30.620 something every five minutes?

00:01:31.760 But then I remembered that, oh, wait a minute, that is every phone conversation I've ever had

00:01:36.520 with my wife, where that's kind of how it goes. 1.00

00:01:39.420 It's just every five minutes, I just have to mutter two or three words while she stops

00:01:43.800 to take a breath.

00:01:44.380 And I just keep it going that way.

00:01:45.580 And she carries the rest of the load that way.

00:01:47.500 So every five minutes, I just throw in a, oh, yeah, really?

00:01:50.340 Oh, wow.

00:01:51.340 You know, that kind of thing.

00:01:52.280 So maybe he was talking to his wife.

00:01:53.460 I don't know.

00:01:54.000 Or he was talking to himself.

00:01:56.040 And yes, I do still take cabs.

00:01:57.940 I think Uber is sometimes a little bit too slick and clean for me.

00:02:00.940 I think when you're in a cab, you need to have ripped seats. 0.90

00:02:04.760 You need to have the faint smell of body odor.

00:02:06.440 Or you need to be a little bit afraid that you're about to be ax murdered.

00:02:11.160 That's just part of the experience.

00:02:13.120 You know, call me old school.

00:02:14.100 I don't know.

00:02:15.120 All right. 1.00

00:02:15.440 So I have avoided talking about this stupid Joe Biden thing all week. 0.99

00:02:23.460 And I'm going to cave now, I guess, finally, and address it. 0.99

00:02:27.660 Joe Biden has a habit, as I'm sure you heard, of invading people's personal space.

00:02:32.640 And this was kind of treated as a joke.

00:02:36.580 Not kind of.

00:02:37.060 It was treated as a joke by everybody, conservatives and liberals, until recently, until he decided

00:02:41.960 that he wanted to maybe get into the presidential race.

00:02:45.360 And now it's become a thing.

00:02:47.780 It's a big deal.

00:02:49.120 And so yesterday he came out with a statement, a video, where he addressed his infringements

00:02:57.620 on people's personal space.

00:02:58.720 Here's the video.

00:02:59.360 In the coming month, I expect to be talking to you about a whole lot of issues.

00:03:03.060 And I'll always be direct with you.

00:03:04.380 But today I want to talk about just as a support and encouragement that I've made to women and

00:03:10.480 some men that have made them uncomfortable.

00:03:12.740 And I always try to be, in my career, I've always tried to make a human connection.

00:03:17.440 That's my responsibility, I think.

00:03:19.220 I shake hands.

00:03:20.080 I hug people.

00:03:20.880 I grab men and women by the shoulders and say, you can do this.

00:03:24.380 And whether they're women, men, young, old, it's the way I've always been.

00:03:30.140 It's the way I've tried to show I care about them and I'm listening.

00:03:33.700 And over the years, knowing what I've been through, the things that I've faced, I've found

00:03:38.060 that scores, if not hundreds of people, have come up to me and reached out for solace and

00:03:43.680 comfort.

00:03:44.200 Something, anything that may help them get through the tragedy they're going through.

00:03:49.260 And so it's just who I am.

00:03:54.480 And I've never thought of politics as cold and antiseptic.

00:03:57.740 I've always thought about connecting with people.

00:04:00.620 I don't think he did himself any favors with that video because he just comes across as

00:04:04.980 kind of, I mean, frankly, kind of frail and old and out of touch.

00:04:08.240 He doesn't understand the way things are now.

00:04:10.760 So I think his presidential campaign has pretty much exploded on the runway.

00:04:15.920 I mean, I don't see, it's just, there really isn't, no matter how he's polling, I just,

00:04:21.760 there's no room for him right now in the Democratic primary, I don't think, especially with all

00:04:27.080 this.

00:04:27.760 Now, listen, I don't like Joe Biden.

00:04:29.820 I don't support Joe Biden.

00:04:31.020 I think Joe Biden will make a bad president.

00:04:32.840 I disagree with everything that he says, pretty much.

00:04:35.460 I also think he's way, way too old to be getting into the race.

00:04:38.920 I think the fact that he's this old and he's putting himself through this and he's humiliating

00:04:42.680 himself this way and groveling and everything is only just shows all the more how desperate

00:04:49.580 he is to have that power, which makes me even more determined that he should not have the

00:04:56.260 power because he wants it so much.

00:04:58.720 But, and yeah, I think he's way too loose with his interpretation of what qualifies his

00:05:05.700 personal space.

00:05:06.460 And I say that as someone, especially someone like myself, I have, you know, my personal

00:05:10.680 space boundary is about 30 feet.

00:05:12.800 And unless you are a close family member, I really don't want you coming any closer than

00:05:16.240 that.

00:05:17.460 But to equate his hugging and touching of people, not just women, but men too, to equate that

00:05:24.760 with sexual assault, as I've seen people doing on the left and right, is to cheapen sexual

00:05:30.320 assault. 0.99

00:05:30.720 It is completely ridiculous. 0.98

00:05:32.940 And it is also, it's just a lie because it's a bad faith argument. 0.98

00:05:37.020 And what I see on social media is a lot of conservatives who are jumping on the train and saying,

00:05:42.020 oh yeah, Joe Biden, acting like they're really offended and worried about Joe Biden.

00:05:45.560 Someone tweeted me yesterday about how they're worried about Joe Biden around our daughter.

00:05:50.280 Are our daughters safe with Joe Biden?

00:05:52.300 I mean, first of all, when is your daughter ever going to be around Joe Biden?

00:05:54.780 Second of all, you're not, you don't really care about it.

00:05:57.220 You know, you're, you're, you're up at night worried.

00:06:00.020 Oh my gosh, Joe Biden is coming.

00:06:01.880 He's coming for my daughter.

00:06:03.480 No, you're just pretending you're, you, because you don't like him and he's a Democrat, you

00:06:07.900 are just pretending.

00:06:08.880 And that's what we call a bad faith argument.

00:06:11.820 And it really annoys me whether conservatives or liberals do it.

00:06:15.640 In fact, it annoys me more with conservatives because these people, I guess I'm supposed to

00:06:19.080 be on their side and, um, it's, uh, you know, it, uh, I'm, I'm not on board with it and they

00:06:27.920 know what they're doing.

00:06:29.240 Um, they know that if Joe Biden was a Republican, they wouldn't be saying anything about this

00:06:34.640 and they know it.

00:06:35.620 Okay.

00:06:36.460 It doesn't matter how many pictures, there could be a million pictures of, uh, Donald Trump

00:06:42.380 smelling people's hair, which is weird.

00:06:44.160 But if there were a million pictures of that, I mean, all these conservatives attacking Joe

00:06:48.640 Biden, none of them would say a word about it and they know it.

00:06:52.340 So what are we even doing?

00:06:55.320 And also, I mean, look at this picture here.

00:06:57.340 Look at this.

00:06:57.820 Okay.

00:06:58.580 Now that's hilarious.

00:06:59.440 First of all, uh, imagine what's going through that guy's head right now, but does anyone

00:07:05.120 think that Joe Biden was trying to do anything sexual there?

00:07:08.060 I mean, does anyone imagine that that is, uh, that, that, that Joe Biden is coming onto this

00:07:12.420 guy?

00:07:12.700 No, the guy has, Biden has no concept of personal space with women or men.

00:07:20.060 And, uh, he should have a concept of it.

00:07:21.960 He should.

00:07:22.460 I mean, Lord knows, as I said, I, I, I cherish my personal space. 0.83

00:07:26.420 I cherish it very much, but Biden is not a sexual assaulter.

00:07:30.360 Um, he can't be lumped into that category.

00:07:32.480 And if you're a conservative and you're doing it, uh, I, I, you're operating in bad faith and

00:07:37.580 I wish that you would stop.

00:07:38.720 Um, because we don't need to do that.

00:07:40.700 Okay.

00:07:40.900 We don't need to play those games.

00:07:41.940 We really don't.

00:07:43.960 With all of these people, Joe Biden included, there are so many good, solid, non-hypocritical,

00:07:51.680 non-bad faith arguments.

00:07:53.380 You can make against them that you don't need to do this.

00:07:56.840 You don't need to pretend and do all the theatrics and act like a fainting, you know, you're,

00:08:03.400 you're, you're some sort of fainting little flower. 0.96

00:08:05.260 Oh my gosh, Joe Biden. 0.99

00:08:07.420 Uh, you don't need to do all that.

00:08:08.900 It's not necessary.

00:08:11.360 We, it's like, it's like flopping in basketball.

00:08:13.780 We can win this game without flopping.

00:08:15.960 You don't need to do that.

00:08:16.900 All right.

00:08:19.000 Um, so let's move on.

00:08:21.120 All right.

00:08:21.340 I did, I did the Joe Biden thing.

00:08:22.620 So, uh, speaking of creepy, uh, the Daily Wire has this report, um, from, uh, Amanda,

00:08:30.400 who, as you know, I, I plagiarize for content on a regular basis.

00:08:33.100 It says, uh, last week, a 61-year-old woman carrying her own grand, so, okay, hold on.

00:08:39.220 Let me slow down.

00:08:40.320 You need to pay close attention to this because it, it can get confusing.

00:08:43.480 So, last week, a 61-year-old woman carrying her own granddaughter via a surrogacy pregnancy

00:08:50.220 gave birth in a Nebraska hospital.

00:08:51.980 Cecil Elledge carried her gay son's daughter to term.

00:08:56.820 The six-pound baby girl was conceived through in vitro fertilization with her son, Matthew's

00:09:02.200 sperm, and his husband's sister's eggs.

00:09:06.420 Um, and, and then it goes on from there, explaining, okay, so that's, that's all you

00:09:14.200 need to know.

00:09:15.260 So, it's a woman who carried her son's child, which was conceived with, with his sperm and 0.88

00:09:20.280 his husband's sister's eggs.

00:09:23.260 So, her son had a baby with her husband's sister, and she carried the child to term.

00:09:26.960 All right.

00:09:27.240 We're caught up now.

00:09:28.180 That's what's going on, if you're keeping track at home.

00:09:30.300 It may not shock you to learn that I am not necessarily ready to applaud, um, this kind

00:09:36.240 of arrangement.

00:09:36.880 In fact, this would seem, how does, does this not qualify as incestuous?

00:09:42.960 You, you're having your son's semen, um, and, and his, and his, and his husband's sister's 0.99

00:09:55.240 eggs implanted inside you, and you're carrying his, you're carrying your son's baby. 0.74

00:10:01.900 Um, and these are, I, I guess this is the point we take from this.

00:10:08.840 These are the kinds of extraordinary lengths that two men have to go to in order to have

00:10:14.320 children.

00:10:15.360 But even then, um, the two men still cannot really have children.

00:10:21.840 This baby is not the son's husband's child.

00:10:26.660 This is the child of the son and his husband's sister.

00:10:30.720 So, when you read in the media reports about how, oh, two gay men had a baby through circus,

00:10:35.960 well, no, they, they didn't really have a baby.

00:10:38.440 They can't.

00:10:39.180 It's impossible.

00:10:40.440 That's not what happened here.

00:10:41.520 Because, at the end of the day, you really can't get around nature.

00:10:47.040 And, you know, that should tell you something about sex and gender, shouldn't it?

00:10:52.220 That, no matter how progressive we get, no matter how much we reject the proper natural

00:10:58.560 order of things, still, when it comes down to it, if you want to make a baby, um, you

00:11:03.480 need a woman and a man to do it. 0.95

00:11:04.960 So, as much as we hear about biological sex being, uh, now it's not just gender that's

00:11:10.020 fluid anymore, remember that, it's biological sex is also a construct. 1.00

00:11:14.040 It doesn't mean anything.

00:11:15.640 Oh, really?

00:11:16.140 Well, then, why is it, um, that there is no possible way for two men to have a baby unless 0.95

00:11:21.720 they, unless they enlist the help of, uh, you know, uh, unless they farm the job out

00:11:28.000 to, to, to women to take care of some of the really necessary steps involved? 1.00

00:11:33.300 Why is it?

00:11:34.980 As much as we want to say that, oh, you know, biological sex, it's not even a thing anymore.

00:11:38.860 Yeah, but, you know, every single baby that has ever been conceived in the history of

00:11:42.840 the world, or that ever will be conceived, is, um, is conceived by a man and a woman.

00:11:49.240 And you can, man and woman, you could use, you don't have to say man and woman, you could

00:11:52.340 call them whatever you want to call them.

00:11:53.800 It doesn't matter.

00:11:55.320 Um, thing one and thing two, it doesn't, whatever you want to call them, it's just, these are

00:11:58.940 two distinct entities, two different types of people with different but complementary, uh,

00:12:07.240 reproductive systems, and you need that in order to make a baby, which tells you that 0.73

00:12:12.300 biological sex is, uh, when you've got to go to those lengths to get around biological

00:12:16.280 sex, that tells you, I think, that biological sex is definitely still a thing, and it matters.

00:12:20.420 All right, um, moving on again, one of the, uh, the bits from my interview with Ben, um,

00:12:28.360 with Ben on the Sunday special, uh, last week, there, there are a few bits that have gotten

00:12:34.120 a lot of attention.

00:12:34.580 We've been talking about some of, uh, there's one part where we talked about heaven and hell,

00:12:38.440 and so we've been, we've been discussing that, um, a lot on the show this week.

00:12:41.660 But another part of the interview that's gotten a fair amount of attention from, uh, especially

00:12:47.800 from conservative, uh, from Christians is when we talked about the problems with bringing 0.75

00:12:53.340 the Bible into certain political and ideological debates.

00:12:57.460 So let me, um, let me play a piece of that clip for you, and then we'll, we'll talk about

00:13:04.220 it.

00:13:04.480 When it comes to, you know, you, you write a lot about politics.

00:13:07.520 How do you separate out talking about religion from talking about politics?

00:13:10.640 When should you speak in sort of a religious moral sense?

00:13:13.040 And when should you speak in a kind of a secular sense when, when you're trying to make an

00:13:17.120 argument?

00:13:18.560 Uh, yeah, that's a, that's a good question.

00:13:21.280 It's a balance.

00:13:21.880 I am still struggling to strike myself.

00:13:24.480 I can't say that I always do the best job of it.

00:13:27.480 Um, but I do know that when it comes to these great moral issues in our society, like abortion,

00:13:33.760 marriage, uh, you know, gender, um, that we have to be able to engage on the

00:13:40.640 issues without throwing the Bible at people, especially if we're talking to people who

00:13:45.320 don't believe in the Bible.

00:13:47.200 Uh, because when you try to go the biblical route, you're talking to someone who doesn't 0.97

00:13:50.500 believe in it.

00:13:51.400 Well, then you've just put an extra step in your way, which is first you have to get

00:13:54.120 them to believe the Bible, which is a whole different conversation and a pretty, pretty 0.59

00:13:57.720 difficult one.

00:13:58.520 Um, so I think that that's not the route.

00:14:03.000 Instead, you have to talk about these funds, natural law, these fundamental moral truths

00:14:08.020 that you have to try to connect with them on and also logic and reason.

00:14:11.100 It's something like, uh, I always cringe when I hear, when the topic is something like

00:14:15.660 transgenderism and, uh, I hear a Christian say, you know, quote Genesis or something and

00:14:21.700 say, well, God, male and female, he created them.

00:14:23.820 I say, yes, that's true, but we don't even, you don't need to bring Genesis into this. 0.98

00:14:28.200 It is a very basic, logical distinction between you got men here, women here, men have penises. 0.94

00:14:33.460 Uh, so, you know, you should be able to explain that without quoting Genesis. 0.96

00:14:39.320 And, um, you also give, I think your listener an easy out because then they're going to say,

00:14:46.120 oh, you're just tossing the Bible at me.

00:14:47.260 I'm not going to listen to that.

00:14:48.160 Um, or, uh, they'll say that, well, you know, you only disagree with abortion because you're

00:14:55.060 Christian or you only, you're only saying that because you're Christian when really

00:14:57.900 no, even if I was not a Christian, I still would say it's not okay to kill babies. 0.89

00:15:02.380 So quite a few Christians have scolded me for, um, for making this, this point saying 0.55

00:15:09.220 that I'm dismissing the Bible.

00:15:10.580 I'm denying it.

00:15:11.900 I'm rejecting it.

00:15:13.400 What have you?

00:15:14.060 So, um, a guy by the name of Cy 10 Bruggenkate, who is a Christian apologist, uh, you can find

00:15:20.220 him in a lot of YouTube debates and stuff.

00:15:23.320 He, he wrote an article attacking me for this segment, um, and for, I guess the whole interview.

00:15:28.940 And I guess apparently he just doesn't really like me in general.

00:15:31.780 That's what I'm told.

00:15:32.920 Uh, he's not the only one.

00:15:34.680 Several people, several people sent me this article on his, on his blog, I guess, um, telling

00:15:40.120 me that, that Cy 10 Bruggenkate is criticizing me again.

00:15:43.940 Uh, so this isn't the first time.

00:15:46.600 Anyway, uh, Cy, along with many other Christians, if my emails are any indication, really do think 0.85

00:15:53.280 that you can throw the Bible at anyone in any discussion and it will always be an effective 0.74

00:15:58.840 strategy.

00:15:59.780 Uh, so here's part of what he says in his article criticizing me.

00:16:02.800 I'll just read some of it because I think this is kind of representative of this point

00:16:06.820 of view.

00:16:07.080 He says, imagine if someone were to attack Matt and his family and Matt pointed a gun

00:16:11.920 at the attacker.

00:16:12.820 Now imagine that the attacker shouted, I don't believe in your gun.

00:16:16.020 Does anyone think that Matt would worry about the extra step of getting the attacker to believe

00:16:20.200 that his gun was real?

00:16:21.480 Would Matt throw down his weapon based on the objection of his attacker?

00:16:24.480 Of course not.

00:16:25.320 Yet that is exactly what Mr. Walsh says he would do when arguing with a person who didn't believe

00:16:29.300 in the Bible.

00:16:29.700 I mean, this, that analogy is so bad on so many levels that I, I'll get to, I'll get

00:16:37.440 to that in a minute, but that is such a bad analogy.

00:16:39.720 Uh, my goodness.

00:16:42.840 Um, so, uh, anyway, uh, so does anyone, yeah, that is exactly what Mr. Walsh says he would

00:16:49.280 do when arguing with a person who didn't believe in the Bible.

00:16:51.240 He would discard his authority. 0.51

00:16:53.300 Surely Ben wouldn't let Matt get away with such a ludicrous position.

00:16:56.680 Well, of course he would and does.

00:16:58.620 Why?

00:16:58.860 Because Ben holds the exact same position, uh, on February 6th, 2017, in the Q and A session

00:17:04.140 after his talk at Ferris State University, Mr. Shapiro stated, I never cite to the Bible.

00:17:08.820 The reason I don't cite to the Bible is because that's an argument from authority.

00:17:11.940 Okay.

00:17:12.340 You may not believe the authority to which I'm citing.

00:17:14.640 This is, uh, that was Ben quote unquote back to size.

00:17:19.180 He says, this is a terrible understanding of the argument from authority fallacy.

00:17:21.840 An argument from authority is only fallacious.

00:17:23.420 If the authority you are citing is not an actual authority.

00:17:26.440 That's not true.

00:17:27.120 It can, it can be fallacious, even if it is an authority.

00:17:29.480 I'll talk about that in a minute.

00:17:31.040 If Matt and Ben were working on a car and they ran into some problem they could not solve,

00:17:35.260 I'm pretty sure that if Matt cited the service manual for the solution, Ben would not deem

00:17:40.080 doing so to be fallacious.

00:17:42.260 Um, and then he goes on a little bit later.

00:17:44.920 Matt states that he always cringes when the topic of transgenderism comes up and he hears

00:17:48.560 a Christian quote Genesis.

00:17:50.380 Male and female, he created them.

00:17:51.840 Um, he says that while this is true, you don't need to bring Genesis into this.

00:17:55.200 Um, well, you heard that part, but he says, well, as Ben knows, you can't even get logic

00:18:01.520 and reason without God.

00:18:02.560 But even so, if rationality is arbitrary, why should anyone comport to the other person's

00:18:06.900 arbitrary, uh, rationality? 1.00

00:18:08.800 Um, he says, now Ben, Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh are not stupid men. 0.99

00:18:14.460 The fact that they do not see their absurdity is troubling. 0.91

00:18:17.100 Even more troubling is the high percentage of positive comments under the video clip.

00:18:20.840 This is what happens when you give up the God of the Bible as both Matt and Ben have

00:18:24.820 done, not only in their argumentation, but in their worldviews.

00:18:28.140 The reason the quote gods of Matt Walsh and Ben Shapiro can't end abortion is because

00:18:32.600 their gods don't exist.

00:18:34.380 Uh, and then he goes on, uh, you know, it's saying, implying that I'm a heretic because

00:18:39.200 I'm a Catholic, um, and, uh, then says that there's so many other problems with what I

00:18:45.120 said.

00:18:46.120 Um, and, uh, basically, and then he, oh, he also says I'm a non-Christian.

00:18:52.020 All right.

00:18:52.620 Okay.

00:18:53.000 So I'm not going to get hung up on the particulars here.

00:18:57.060 Cy, uh, you know, says I worship a false God.

00:19:00.040 I'm not a Christian.

00:19:00.700 And, um, I'm abandoning the authority of the scriptures, uh, which is all of this.

00:19:05.220 These are just inflammatory straw men, uh, and a very disappointing and weak lines of

00:19:10.700 argumentation coming from an apologist.

00:19:13.280 Uh, this is someone who argues for a living and this is the best they can do, which only

00:19:18.940 further convinces me as I've been convinced for a while that we need better apologists.

00:19:22.760 It's a big problem really in a, in a, in American Christianity that, um, we don't have a lot of good,

00:19:28.620 we have a lot of really bad apologists who make arguments that are utterly laughable,

00:19:34.580 um, and get laughed off of every stage they walk onto because of exactly this kind of thing.

00:19:40.600 And there are a few good ones out there, um, but we need better, we need more good ones.

00:19:44.560 So what you find here is straw manning, distortions, uh, abysmal arguments coming from a guy who,

00:19:49.600 as I said, argues for the faith for a living.

00:19:51.620 And the analogy with the gun was really, really, really bad.

00:19:56.520 Um, he says that when I don't use the Bible to argue with an atheist about abortion on

00:20:01.260 the basis that the atheist doesn't acknowledge the authority of the Bible, so the argument

00:20:04.940 will have no weight with him.

00:20:06.820 It's like if I don't use a gun against an attacker because the attacker doesn't believe

00:20:09.920 in the gun.

00:20:10.360 Well, the difference there is that the gun is a physical object which shoots physical

00:20:15.480 bullets.

00:20:16.000 And those physical bullets will kill you whether you believe in them or not.

00:20:20.860 But arguments are not physical things.

00:20:23.520 And trying to persuade someone is not the same as shooting them.

00:20:27.460 And it tells you all you need to know that Psy here equates persuasion with shooting a 0.66

00:20:31.860 guy in the chest.

00:20:33.080 Uh, it's two completely different things.

00:20:35.920 Now, you see, if you're trying to actually persuade someone, if you want to connect with

00:20:40.760 someone and persuade them, then your arguments need to be more than just true.

00:20:44.500 They need to be convincing to the person you are presenting them to.

00:20:49.780 You need to connect with them using language they understand.

00:20:53.020 You need to find the common ground.

00:20:55.460 That is the basic element of persuasion.

00:20:59.300 Um, and that's the only way to convince anyone of anything.

00:21:03.200 You're not going to convince anyone of anything if you're appealing to an authority they don't

00:21:07.300 recognize as an authority.

00:21:09.660 You may convince yourself of your own piety.

00:21:12.000 You may convince spectators of your biblical knowledge.

00:21:15.100 You may impress your friends.

00:21:17.060 But as for the person you are ostensibly trying to persuade, who apparently is really just

00:21:20.920 a prop for you to show off your piety, as for that person, you have failed them.

00:21:27.580 Um, here's a better analogy.

00:21:31.100 Arguing with an atheist by appealing to the Bible is like arguing with an English-speaking 0.98

00:21:36.880 person, um, uh, but articulating your arguments in Chinese, okay?

00:21:43.200 Your arguments might be true.

00:21:45.060 I mean, you might be dropping straight, profound knowledge on this, but you might be making

00:21:49.680 the best arguments in the world.

00:21:51.980 But they can't understand what the hell you're saying.

00:21:54.400 So it doesn't matter.

00:21:55.580 You've achieved nothing.

00:21:56.780 This person can't.

00:21:57.760 I mean, everyone else will, again, will be impressed that you know Chinese.

00:22:00.320 Everyone's going to say, wow, this guy knows Chinese.

00:22:01.800 That's, that's a difficult language to learn.

00:22:03.320 I'm impressed.

00:22:04.720 Good for you.

00:22:05.640 But that person who you're talking to, you've done nothing for them because they didn't

00:22:09.340 understand what you're saying.

00:22:10.920 Um, or it's, uh, another analogy, better analogy would be if, uh, and by the way, being

00:22:15.600 able to present a, a, a cogent analogy is a, is a, is another, uh, you know, important

00:22:21.000 part of persuasion.

00:22:22.560 Um, so it's like if you're, if you're a quantum physicist arguing with someone about

00:22:28.200 science and you use a bunch of words and concepts and language that,

00:22:33.320 nobody outside of your field of expertise could possibly understand.

00:22:36.920 Again, you may impress people.

00:22:38.780 You may sound super smart.

00:22:39.900 You may be right about what you're saying, but you have not convinced the person you're

00:22:43.600 talking to because they don't understand you.

00:22:47.440 So if you're trying to convince a secular person, for instance, that sex is not changeable,

00:22:52.040 that a man can't be a woman just because he wants to be, you can go one of two ways as

00:22:57.200 a Christian.

00:22:58.200 Uh, one, you can appeal to science, to logic, to reason, which are all true, thus godly.

00:23:03.740 Um, they, they, they come from God, right?

00:23:05.940 Because they are true.

00:23:07.060 And then you can hopefully connect with him by appealing to those authorities, which he

00:23:11.140 supposedly understands and respects.

00:23:13.100 Or you could throw the book of Genesis at him.

00:23:17.060 And honestly, if you may as well literally throw the book at him, if you're going to

00:23:21.220 start quoting Genesis at that point, because it will be just as effective, um, because it

00:23:25.520 is a book he doesn't believe in and you're giving him the chance to escape to, I mean,

00:23:31.360 this is the easiest thing in the world.

00:23:33.300 You, you, you, you, I mean, you're sitting, you're made in the shade right now in terms of 1.00

00:23:37.240 making an argument because this is someone who is claiming that a guy with a penis can 1.00

00:23:41.480 be a woman. 0.99

00:23:42.000 I mean, there are so many ways to deal with that, but, but, but if you would pick up,

00:23:46.320 well, it says here in Genesis, uh, chapter one, I mean, you somehow managed to fail in

00:23:52.380 your argument.

00:23:52.900 It's astounding because you've given this person a chance to escape, to maintain their

00:23:59.320 absurd position by deflecting.

00:24:01.280 And, and, and now where you had them, you had them again, you had their back against

00:24:06.620 the wall.

00:24:07.100 I mean, there was no escaping the argument that you could have made, but now you've

00:24:12.280 thrown Genesis and you gave them an escape hatch because now what they're going to do,

00:24:15.040 they're going to say, oh yeah, well, yeah, but Genesis says that the earth existed before

00:24:18.420 the rest of the universe, which modern cosmology tells us obviously is not true.

00:24:22.740 And so now, um, now that's the argument.

00:24:26.220 Now you've trans gender and all that, that's all gone. 1.00

00:24:28.920 Now you're arguing about biblical cosmology instead.

00:24:33.720 I'm not saying that the Bible is wrong.

00:24:36.860 Uh, I think that there are ways of understanding that, um, uh, you know, that are, that are

00:24:41.920 consistent with, with scientific truth, but that's not the argument.

00:24:46.540 You, you, you, now you have to have that, now you have to first argue about biblical cosmology,

00:24:51.560 um, convince them of that, good luck, and then you can get back to transgenderism. 0.97

00:24:56.440 Um, so I don't know, that will only take about four or five years.

00:25:00.600 Uh, it's just awful.

00:25:02.140 Another example, you're arguing with a secular person about abortion.

00:25:05.480 You can either try to prove that babies are human scientifically and people, and thus killing

00:25:11.440 them is murder and thus wrong.

00:25:13.840 And, uh, you can tell this person that the, uh, so you could do that, you know, that could

00:25:17.420 be your argument.

00:25:18.420 You say, look, you start with the basic premise that they agree with.

00:25:21.620 Murder is wrong, right?

00:25:22.520 They'll agree with you there.

00:25:23.340 Great, got it.

00:25:24.780 Um, okay, now all you have to do is demonstrate why this is murder, which you do not need the

00:25:33.840 Bible to tell someone that.

00:25:35.780 So you could do that, or you could tell them that the Bible says murder is wrong, which is

00:25:41.020 an argument that fails on two levels.

00:25:44.000 Because the person, you, you, you haven't actually convinced the person that abortion is murder,

00:25:49.140 and you also haven't convinced them, but you would have to convince them that the Bible

00:25:53.620 is an authority in the first place.

00:25:56.080 So you fail on two counts.

00:25:58.300 Um, the idea that we should never talk about, that we should never talk about innate fundamental

00:26:03.060 moral truths and scientific truths without quoting the Bible first, even if we're talking

00:26:08.880 to someone who doesn't believe in the Bible, is just so incredibly shallow and childish

00:26:13.060 and foolhardy and counterproductive that I can't even wrap my head around how anyone

00:26:16.920 could actually think this way.

00:26:18.240 But I know that a lot of people do.

00:26:20.080 Um, like, do you really not understand the fact that you will not convince anyone by appealing

00:26:24.640 to an authority that they don't recognize as an authority?

00:26:28.120 Do you really not understand that in order to appeal to an authority, you first have to

00:26:32.560 establish that authority as an authority with, which with respect to the Bible is a whole

00:26:37.060 different conversation and one that will take you a million miles away from the original

00:26:41.220 topic?

00:26:42.460 And do you not see why that is counterproductive when there are other authorities, truthful

00:26:47.500 authorities, God ordained authorities, um, like logic and science that you could appeal

00:26:53.640 to in which the other person ostensibly actually does recognize, but you've decided that it's

00:26:59.340 never okay to have a, to have a logical argument or a scientific argument.

00:27:02.920 Every argument must be a theological argument.

00:27:05.120 Well, again, that may make you look pious, that may impress your Christian friends and good

00:27:09.500 for you, but you will never achieve anything.

00:27:11.340 You will never convince anyone who is not already convinced.

00:27:14.680 And all you're doing is serving yourself rather than serving truth and shedding light.

00:27:19.080 So good job.

00:27:21.000 Um, by the way, how would you convince someone that it's raining outside?

00:27:26.740 Um, what if you go in, you go in a house, you tell someone it's raining outside and they

00:27:32.260 say, I don't believe you.

00:27:33.660 Well, what do you do there?

00:27:34.700 Do you launch into a theological explanation, quoting Bible verses, proving that God made

00:27:39.960 the rain and that God also says, don't lie, thus establishing that your claim of it raining

00:27:44.960 is theologically consistent.

00:27:46.560 And also, uh, you should be trusted because you wouldn't tell a lie because God told you

00:27:49.640 not to, or would you just pull up the curtain and point out the window?

00:27:54.080 Which of those tacks would you take to prove that to someone that it's raining?

00:27:58.180 Uh, oh, well, no, you would just point out the window, right? 0.99

00:28:00.400 Oh, well then you're a fake Christian, you fake Christian, you deny the Bible, heretic. 1.00

00:28:05.960 Come on. 0.99

00:28:07.440 By the way, how do you convince someone who doesn't believe in the Bible that they should

00:28:13.800 believe in it?

00:28:15.400 Um, do you tell them that the Bible says they should believe in the Bible?

00:28:19.240 Is that because now I, I know that again, I have heard Christians argue for the authority 1.00

00:28:26.080 of the Bible that way by appealing back to the Bible.

00:28:30.860 And those Christians, again, have never convinced anyone of anything ever because that is circular 1.00

00:28:37.660 reasoning.

00:28:38.080 That is a logical fallacy.

00:28:39.740 Um, you cannot make an argument by just restating your premise in a different form.

00:28:47.460 Uh, if you can't make arguments outside of the Bible, then it's impossible to ever get

00:28:53.880 anyone to believe the Bible because you're reduced to this kind of circular reasoning.

00:28:58.880 The Bible should be believed because the Bible says it should be believed.

00:29:01.860 Yeah, but why should I believe that the Bible said what the Bible says about how, about the

00:29:05.500 fact that we should believe it?

00:29:06.340 Well, because the Bible says it.

00:29:07.360 Oh, okay.

00:29:07.940 All right.

00:29:08.200 Well, let's just go around in circles.

00:29:10.580 Um, shouting the Bible says it over and over again will not do anything.

00:29:15.840 You have to be able to launch a defense of the Bible that goes beyond quoting the Bible.

00:29:21.460 Um, this is true of any proposition.

00:29:24.860 If you want to convince anyone of any proposition, you will not do it by repeating the proposition

00:29:31.080 over and over again in different forms.

00:29:33.200 If you want to convince someone that an elephant is a mammal, which it is, uh, you will not win

00:29:38.660 that argument by just screaming, elephants are mammals because elephants are mammals.

00:29:42.880 Uh, I mean, it's true.

00:29:44.280 What you're saying is true and what you're arguing for is true.

00:29:47.640 And, but somehow you've managed to botch this case.

00:29:51.160 I mean, there, there are so many ways that you could explain how an elephant is a mammal,

00:29:55.420 but you've decided to just start to just shout that phrase over and over again.

00:29:59.420 So, um, this kind of approach is, uh, is, as I said, it's, it's convincing only to Christians 1.00

00:30:05.660 who are already convinced.

00:30:06.580 And I have, uh, and this is something that I know that's why I say that, you know, there

00:30:09.840 are a lot of very weak apologists out there today, uh, working because I think, um, for

00:30:17.100 many of them, their whole shtick is just to convince people who are already convinced.

00:30:23.180 Um, they're not even really attempting to provide arguments that may be compelling to

00:30:28.880 people on the outside.

00:30:29.780 And, uh, uh, I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's sad.

00:30:38.780 Uh, it's, it's, especially when, I mean, Christianity has such a rich intellectual tradition of, of

00:30:48.640 brilliant people, um, making brilliant scientific and philosophical cases for things and explaining

00:30:57.060 things is such a rich tradition.

00:30:59.420 And yet these days it's been reduced to this.

00:31:03.080 It's been reduced to, well, men are men are men because the Bible says so.

00:31:08.660 That's what it's been reduced to.

00:31:10.080 And I find that really sad.

00:31:13.960 Um, all right.

00:31:18.620 Let's see, let's go to, to emails.

00:31:20.980 MattWallShow at gmail.com, MattWallShow at gmail.com.

00:31:23.840 Uh, let's see.

00:31:25.160 First one is from Vanessa says, Matt.

00:31:27.300 I have such a deep appreciation for your bold approach to the hard questions.

00:31:30.400 I will admit, I don't necessarily agree with all the points you make, but your ability to

00:31:33.500 articulate your position so well is admirable.

00:31:35.720 I think the outrage you receive is due to us being a society that is afraid to think about

00:31:39.360 or wrestle with the tough subjects.

00:31:41.440 We want tidy outlined answers.

00:31:43.520 We want to put God in a box that we can label and understand as challenging as it is for me to

00:31:47.840 sit with uneasy feelings of not knowing.

00:31:50.480 Um, I feel it is a good practice to sit and reflect and ponder and search.

00:31:54.000 And it's totally valid to come to the other side and say, I still don't know, but I trust

00:31:58.180 that God does.

00:31:59.280 Further, I can take my reflections and seek input from others without accepting their views

00:32:02.720 fully nor ripping them to pieces for having a difference of opinion.

00:32:05.600 It's a lost art.

00:32:06.520 I'm afraid it really comes down to knowing that I am in fact, not God, despite my claims

00:32:11.300 to my kids and husband.

00:32:13.400 Um, and that was a joke as a, uh, it was a good joke.

00:32:16.860 I just, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't deliver it.

00:32:18.340 Well, as a stay at home mom, homeschooling, uh, mom, I appreciate your deep thinking on

00:32:22.460 challenging topics more than you'll ever know.

00:32:24.180 Um, your videos accompany me as I prepare dinner for my family each night.

00:32:27.160 Uh, and, uh, anyway, I appreciate the, I won't go on reading all the compliments to

00:32:33.920 me, but thank you, Vanessa, for that.

00:32:35.040 I really appreciate it.

00:32:35.820 Uh, the thing that interests me with that email is what you said there in the middle.

00:32:38.520 Um, and I agree with you that relates to what I was just talking about, that, um, there

00:32:45.680 is, and this, this I think is largely a modern phenomenon in Christianity.

00:32:50.320 There is among a lot of people, this sort of allergy, uh, to deep and difficult questions.

00:32:59.180 And they just, they don't want to deal with them.

00:33:02.340 They don't want to hear anyone try to deal with them.

00:33:04.540 Um, all they want is surface level.

00:33:07.260 And, uh, all they want is just pick out a few Bible verses, shout those at the problem

00:33:12.660 and move on.

00:33:13.620 Uh, don't try to go any deeper than that.

00:33:15.500 That's all they want for, for a lot of, not everybody, but for a lot of people.

00:33:18.180 And, uh, so I appreciate that you, uh, feel differently.

00:33:24.140 All right.

00:33:24.840 And, and, and yes, we have to, um, there is no shame in being troubled by certain questions.

00:33:34.180 There's no shame in being troubled by some things you read in the Bible.

00:33:36.840 Um, there's no shame in any of that.

00:33:38.660 Uh, and I think you have to, it takes intellectual integrity and courage to walk up to those questions

00:33:44.020 and, uh, and those doubts and to look them in the, in the face.

00:33:47.440 Um, and try to deal with them.

00:33:50.380 All right.

00:33:50.820 This is from Tyler says, Matt, uh, hi Matt.

00:33:53.080 Did you, did you see the new Joker trailer?

00:33:54.840 And what did you think of it?

00:33:55.940 I did see it.

00:33:56.940 And I thought it was, uh, I, I, I am not, as I've said before, I'm not a huge fan of

00:34:02.260 superhero movies, but I've been excited for this project all along.

00:34:07.200 And I don't know, you know, when it was first announced, people doubted it, but this is

00:34:10.480 Joaquin Phoenix playing the Joker.

00:34:12.160 I, there's no way it's not awesome.

00:34:14.240 I, and I, I say that about very few movies because with most movies, there's always a

00:34:19.600 way that it could be screwed up.

00:34:20.500 And usually it is, but Joaquin Phoenix, uh, in my mind is the best actor working in Hollywood.

00:34:26.160 He's certainly the most interesting actor, um, in Hollywood and just making him the Joker.

00:34:31.060 It's like, uh, you know, it's, it's, it is a match made in, in heaven or maybe not heaven,

00:34:37.440 but, uh, so I, I'm looking forward to it.

00:34:39.740 I think it's going to be a really interesting movie.

00:34:42.920 This is from Michael says, hi, Matt.

00:34:44.820 Um, Mike from Phoenix, love the show today.

00:34:47.180 You, you, uh, today you said hell is devoid of people that love.

00:34:50.180 I guess what immediately came to mind was I bet Hitler loved his family.

00:34:54.480 Yet I would like to think he still went to hell and vice versa.

00:34:57.900 What about a father that has a child murdered and hates the person who did, who did, who did

00:35:02.280 it yet loves Christ.

00:35:03.600 Would he not go to heaven for having hate in his heart for that man?

00:35:07.440 Um, also it was brought up how some Christians believe that you get to heaven just by believing

00:35:12.740 in Christ.

00:35:13.240 I don't think this is true because then you could have murderers and rapists that believe

00:35:16.460 in Christ in heaven.

00:35:17.540 No, I think our Lord meant what he said.

00:35:19.640 I am the way, the truth, and the light, uh, the life.

00:35:23.220 No one goes to the father, but through me is that is that Jesus will judge all men's hearts

00:35:27.480 when they die.

00:35:28.600 He alone will determine who will go to the father.

00:35:30.900 Um, so yeah, Mike, I, well, first of all, I think there are probably,

00:35:37.440 probably are, uh, murderers and rapists. 0.70

00:35:40.500 In fact, I'm quite sure of it, that there are murderers and rapists in heaven, uh, who

00:35:44.080 repented.

00:35:45.740 And that is, uh, you know, look at the story of the penitent thief, but well, we don't

00:35:51.140 know if he was actually a murderer, but he was certainly a criminal repented at the, at

00:35:53.880 the very last moment and was saved.

00:35:55.400 And I, I like to think that there are many stories like that.

00:35:58.860 And I'm sure there are, um, I just want to pick out one thing from your email to respond

00:36:03.380 to what you said about, well, I'm sure Hitler loved his family.

00:36:08.060 I don't know.

00:36:09.160 I mean, I have no idea who Hitler loved, if he loved anyone, but I would guess that Hitler 0.98

00:36:17.180 did not love his family.

00:36:19.080 And, and this is an important point because as we've, as we've talked about this over

00:36:22.640 the week, I mean, I, and I have made this point about, uh, if someone really has love

00:36:27.200 in their heart, if someone is really a loving person, I don't see how they could go to hell

00:36:30.820 because of the, uh, not, you know, not just moral complications with that, but also the

00:36:36.800 kind of metaphysical complications.

00:36:38.560 Um, but a lot of people, as they've been listening to this discussion, they have interpreted

00:36:43.920 me as being sort of a, uh, a universalist, someone who's, who believes in universal salvation.

00:36:49.340 Everyone is saved, right?

00:36:50.460 Because if all you have to do is love someone, then I mean, we're all, we're all in.

00:36:54.800 Now, I would love to think that that's true.

00:36:56.580 First of all, I don't think it is.

00:36:59.820 And actually, let's say that I was right and who knows if I am and, you know, loving people

00:37:08.020 can't go to hell. 0.68

00:37:08.780 Uh, that by no means would necessitate that hell is a sparsely populated place.

00:37:18.160 I think that hell is probably very crowded.

00:37:22.780 Um, because I also think that there are a lot of people in this world today and who have

00:37:28.140 lived throughout history who never loved anyone.

00:37:29.960 In fact, loving someone is a difficult thing to do.

00:37:34.340 Uh, and it takes, if, if we are, again, talking about agape love, real love, not just emotional

00:37:41.160 effect.

00:37:41.460 Yeah.

00:37:41.940 Affection.

00:37:42.560 Anyone can feel affection.

00:37:43.560 I'm sure Hitler felt affection towards some people in his way.

00:37:46.920 Um, and everyone feels affection to some degree.

00:37:50.060 That doesn't mean anything, but love is the, you know, it is, it is the giving of yourself

00:37:57.260 to another.

00:37:57.960 It is willing their good.

00:37:59.140 It is self-sacrifice.

00:38:01.200 It is an investment of the entire person.

00:38:03.360 It is transformative.

00:38:04.480 That's what love is.

00:38:06.440 And I think, yes, there are a lot of people who never loved anyone, including their own

00:38:10.480 children.

00:38:12.340 Um, so by no means do I think that if it's true that loving people can't go to hell, that

00:38:19.720 that means that hell is empty.

00:38:21.960 I think it means that there are a lot of people who are not loving.

00:38:24.360 And going back to the great divorce, uh, which kind of started all this, that's one of the

00:38:31.460 things that I found really compelling about that book is Lewis was able to illustrate how

00:38:41.260 it is that a, you know, a normal, a seemingly normal, seemingly decent kind of person could

00:38:48.480 be completely devoid of love.

00:38:49.900 Uh, there's one scene where, uh, uh, a mother comes up from hell and is at the, you know,

00:38:56.580 sort of at the outskirts of heaven.

00:38:59.060 And, um, she's demanding that her son who is in heaven, um, be essentially kicked out of

00:39:05.980 heaven so that she can, so he can go back to hell with her. 0.99

00:39:10.080 And as the conversation develops, you see that, well, this woman, she's not a serial killer. 0.92

00:39:15.840 I mean, she's, she wouldn't appear to be some sort of monstrous person.

00:39:18.580 She would probably seem, if you ran into her on the street, she would seem perfectly normal 0.67

00:39:22.580 and polite, but she is completely devoid of love, even for her own son, even to the point

00:39:27.780 where she would rather her son be in hell with her, uh, because for her, it is all about her.

00:39:34.160 Her son is just a prop.

00:39:36.540 Her son is just, her love for her son is all about making herself feel good.

00:39:42.540 That's all it is.

00:39:44.920 And I think that's the case for a lot of people.

00:39:48.320 All right.

00:39:48.980 Uh, let's see, uh, from Nathan says, Matt, um, kind of a personal question, but do you

00:39:56.960 have a favorite passage or story in the Bible that resonates especially with you?

00:40:01.360 Maybe a verse you can recite from memory.

00:40:03.520 Um, well, I just mentioned it.

00:40:06.240 I always love the story in Luke where Jesus, um, uh, where the, the story in Luke, uh, of

00:40:14.920 the, the penitent thief or Luke is the only one though.

00:40:18.540 Matthew is my favorite gospel.

00:40:21.580 Um, Luke is the only one that has the story of the penitent thief.

00:40:26.100 And, uh, I've always found that to be extremely powerful.

00:40:29.980 It's a very short story, but when you imagine that combination of, uh, of pain and agony,

00:40:39.760 but then joy that, that thief, that condemned person must've felt in that moment, uh, I find

00:40:47.520 it to be really powerful.

00:40:48.380 And also it is such a perfect illustration of repentance where, yeah, the thief repented

00:40:57.860 and he was sorry for what he did, but that didn't mean he was going to escape earthly suffering.

00:41:04.260 So it's not a get out of jail free card, um, repenting.

00:41:08.400 And it's not an easy thing.

00:41:11.080 Jesus didn't say, okay, you repented well.

00:41:13.200 And then Jesus made him poof away and go to heaven. 0.98

00:41:15.660 No, it's, you still are going to have to die here and it's going to be painful.

00:41:21.060 Uh, dying by crucifixion is not a fun thing.

00:41:24.800 And yet through that suffering, um, at the end of it lies, uh, paradise.

00:41:31.900 So I, I, I mean, there are so many stories.

00:41:33.940 I just, that's the one that, especially around, um, Easter time, I always think about.

00:41:37.860 All right.

00:41:38.200 Uh, from, let's see, I'm going to do one more here.

00:41:42.020 Uh, okay, let's, this one, this one isn't, uh, isn't biblical related from Dustin.

00:41:48.900 Uh, dear Matt, I have a weird question.

00:41:50.420 I saw a tweet thread written by a guy whose wife was fired from her job because he was,

00:41:56.180 he was on the sex offender registry after getting caught with child porn 13 years ago.

00:42:00.420 I think this is extremely unjust, but it got me to thinking punishing the wife is wrong,

00:42:06.680 but should we even still be punishing the man?

00:42:09.980 If he did his time, why keep him on the registry?

00:42:12.820 Whatever happened to forgiveness and rehabilitation?

00:42:15.480 Uh, yeah, I have no idea what, what tweet thread this is referring to.

00:42:18.780 Um, so I'm going based only on this.

00:42:21.500 I think, uh, I think first we should all be able to agree that firing a woman because 1.00

00:42:28.240 of a crime that her husband committed a decade ago is unjust.

00:42:32.920 As for the husband, I do actually think that we should get rid of the sex offender registry.

00:42:37.980 Uh, I, I think the sex offender registry is a counterproductive concept and it, and it

00:42:43.140 is unjust and I'll explain why.

00:42:44.720 And it's really simple.

00:42:45.740 Okay.

00:42:47.400 For me, it's as simple as this.

00:42:48.700 If somebody is judged to still be a threat to society.

00:42:54.120 So especially when we're talking about what I guess will be classified as the tier one

00:42:57.740 sex offenders, people who are high risk for reoffending.

00:43:02.480 Well, um, no, those people shouldn't be on a sex offender registry because they should

00:43:07.140 be in prison, uh, forever.

00:43:09.560 They should never get out.

00:43:11.940 In other words, if you, if someone is so dangerous that you feel that the neighbors have

00:43:16.880 to be warned that this person just moved into town and that they can't be allowed within

00:43:21.020 500 yards of a school or a playground, then that is someone who shouldn't be out of prison.

00:43:26.120 I mean, that is literally why we have prisons for people like that.

00:43:29.900 But if someone is, is not considered a danger and, uh, and, uh, whoever, whatever the case

00:43:38.360 may be, um, someone is, is judged that they really are not a danger and that they have

00:43:44.900 been rehabilitated or whatever, then, uh, then again, there's no reason for them to be on

00:43:48.540 the registry.

00:43:49.200 Um, they should be allowed to return to their life.

00:43:51.100 So, so either way, uh, this person is a, is a danger or he's not.

00:43:55.580 And if he is, then he should be in prison.

00:43:57.900 And if he's not, then, um, what's the point of the sex offender registry in the first place?

00:44:02.980 And I, I don't know anything about this case, but, um, uh, I, I have heard plenty of cases

00:44:10.380 of people ending up on the sex offender registry, you know, crazy things like someone, uh, you

00:44:15.940 know, has a 19 year old guy has, uh, sexual relations with his 17 year old girlfriend

00:44:22.400 and ends up on the sex offender registry for 15 years.

00:44:25.200 I mean, it's, it's, that's obviously crazy.

00:44:27.640 Um, and it, and unjust.

00:44:31.860 And I think if you got rid of it and just said, all right, if whoever's a danger, they're

00:44:37.100 going to prison, everyone else, we treat them like anyone else.

00:44:41.000 Um, because that's what prison is, is for.

00:44:43.620 I mean, it's crazy to me when you look at the sex offender.

00:44:45.940 Registry, um, in your, in your town, which, uh, which I, you should do, you'll see all

00:44:54.360 of these cases where, where it says like high risk offenders.

00:44:58.540 Like, what does he do to my name?

00:45:00.720 You're telling me that there is a high probability that he will sexually abuse someone.

00:45:06.760 And yet you let him out.

00:45:10.780 All right.

00:45:11.320 So I think the laws need to be changed there and we will, uh, leave it there on that note.

00:45:14.980 Thanks everybody for watching.

00:45:16.420 Thanks for listening.

00:45:17.340 Godspeed.

00:45:17.940 And I'll see you tonight at Boston University.

00:45:19.800 I'm Michael Knowles, host of the Michael Knowles show.

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The Matt Walsh Show - April 04, 2019

Ep. 232 - Bad Faith Arguments Abound

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