Ep. 239 - Words Are Violence
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The Democrats are now claiming that conservatives are inciting violence against Ilhan Omar by criticizing her. This is just a dishonest, deceitful ploy to shut down speech, and we ll talk about it. Also, I want to mention one of the great things about America that s embodied by the reaction to Tiger Woods' big, big win yesterday, and an absolutely deranged dog lover sends me a disturbing piece of hate mail because I criticize dogs.
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Today on the Matt Walsh Show, the Democrats are now claiming that conservatives are inciting
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violence against Ilhan Omar by criticizing her. This is just a dishonest, deceitful ploy to shut
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down speech. It's reprehensible, and we'll talk about it. Also, I want to mention one of the great
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things about America that's embodied by the reaction to Tiger Woods' big, big win yesterday,
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and an absolutely deranged dog lover sends me a disturbing piece of hate mail because I criticize
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dogs. And we'll talk about what it is that goes wrong in a person's mind that makes them so
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unbelievably obsessed with their pets. I want to talk about that as well today on the Matt Walsh Show.
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Listen, I just need to say one thing here at the top. I am really sick and tired
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who wear them and say, oh, you better not be wearing cargo shorts. But I think this mockery
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is unfair and bigoted and hypocritical as well, especially coming from women, which is usually
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where it comes from. It's usually women who are complaining about cargo shorts. Well, let's think
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Um, I just felt the need. I, I need as a, as an avid cargo shorts fan myself,
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Okay. Um, as far as Tiger Woods go, I was, I was legitimately excited to see the Tiger Woods
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won the Masters yesterday. Um, as you no doubt heard, I don't watch golf. Uh, I don't really care
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about golf. The only professional golfer I can name is Tiger Woods, but I will say that
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I was, I was happy to hear about his victory and I was happier about something else, which
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is that, you know, turning on the news, going online, whatever. It seems like almost everybody
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is happy, right? That, that he won. Um, yeah, there are a few naysayers here and there, I'm
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sure, but most everyone's happy about it. And, uh, I thought as I was watching this reaction,
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I thought, well, this is a, this is good because this is a positive thing that we all still seem
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to share as Americans is that we all love stories of redemption, right? We love underdog stories.
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We love comeback stories, stories of redemption. Now I've said in the past that one of the problems
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in America is that I'm not sure I can think of one positive, um, uniting sort of principle or,
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or value, um, or trait that we all share. And if you want to have a real country, you need to have
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things that you all share. Besides the fact that you all happen to live on the same plot of land,
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there needs to be something deeper than that. And, um, and I still think that there aren't many,
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um, uniting characteristics that we all have as Americans anymore, unfortunately,
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but this might be one, maybe this might be the only one is that we all love a good comeback story.
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And that's pretty good. That's, I mean, that's not enough to build a country around
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or maintain a country around, but it is a good thing. So at least we have that and,
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and let's hang on to it. So congratulations to Tiger Woods. Here's something that isn't so great
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though. Um, Ilhan Omar, let's, let's go back and review here for a moment, um, to get ourselves
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caught up to speed with everything going on with this. So representative Omar, as you probably heard
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was, was speaking at a care banquet. That's C A I R the Muslim group care. Um, speaking at a care
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banquet a few weeks ago, um, during those remarks, that's when she said infamously now this care was
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founded after nine 11 because they recognize that some people did something and that all of us were
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starting to lose access to our civil liberties. Now, of course, everyone is focused on the,
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the part where she says some people did something, um, because of how flippantly it dismisses nine
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11. But she also said in that same clip, she also lies about America and says that Muslims are losing
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access to their civil liberties because of nine 11. Now, where is that happening? She doesn't,
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she doesn't provide any examples of it. This is by far not the only time, not the first time I've heard
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this claim that Muslims lost their civil liberties in America after nine 11, but how so where did that
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happen? Now you could certainly argue that all Americans lost some of their civil liberties after
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nine 11, uh, what with the Patriot act and the TSA and so on. And I would agree with that claim,
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but to say that Muslims were somehow legally singled out is just simply false. It's just a lie.
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Um, but that aside, the thing that most people have homed in on is the part where she says,
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you know, some people did something and for good reason, especially considering her history
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of this kind of thing. Here she is not long ago laughing about Al Qaeda. Watch this.
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Um, I remember, um, when I was in college, I took, uh, a terrorism class and is that a such thing?
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Yeah, there was, there was, there is a lab for that. There was a, there was a class that you,
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Do you go to a lab? No, we learned the ideology of, uh, I'm glad you do that.
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And so it was, it was the, the thing that was interesting in the class was every time the, the,
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the professor said Al Qaeda, he sort of like his shoulders went up and you know,
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he's in command here. Al Qaeda, you know, hospital. He's an expert. And it was, you know,
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What's his name? We're putting his name on there. We are not, we are not saying his name.
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Yeah. You probably get to see him on, on CNN. Yeah, of course. I love those guys.
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But you know, but, but, but it is, it is that you don't say America with an intensity. You don't
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say England with an intensity, you know, you don't, you don't say, um, the army with an intensity.
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But you say these, these names because you, you want that, that word to carry weight.
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Exactly. So it's, it, you know, it's, it's said with a deeper voice.
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Now the left of course has gone into overdrive, overdrive trying to defend, uh, well, not well,
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deflect really not, not defend because there's nothing you could say to defend it. So instead
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they're just deflecting, which is what they always do with, with these sorts of things.
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So they've been trying to, to deflect in two ways. Number one, they've been saying, uh, that
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the, some people did something remarks were taken out of context. And number two, they've been saying
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that we, her critics by criticizing her are putting her life in danger. So we should just
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stop doing that because we are, we are inciting violence against her. Let's take a look at both
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of the, both of these, but we'll do it one at a time here. First of all, it really appears to me
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that most people in this country don't know what the phrase out of context means. It seems that most
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people, when they say that, when they say that, Oh, that was out of context, uh, what they really
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mean to say is that in their opinion, the offending remarks weren't really that offensive,
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uh, which may or may not be the case, but whether or not it is the case, that's not what out of
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context means. Out of context is when just a portion of someone's comments are shown in order
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to convey a meaning that is actually the opposite of, or at least totally different from their
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actual apparent meaning. And one way of doing that is to show the clumsily worded portion,
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but then not some other portion of the same remarks where they sort of clarify and flesh out
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their idea more to, to, to, um, frame it a little bit more appropriately now. And that kind of thing
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happens all the time. That's what out of context is. It's when you, when it always starts with
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someone who has the whole, the whole picture and they purposefully, uh, take this one little part
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that, that, you know, paints the entire situation in a, in a, in a different light. Perfect example of
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this. There are so many examples we could, we could look at perfect example would be the Covington
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Catholic kids. That is an example of taking something out of context where you had that
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one little snippet that at first that only showed the, you know, the, the, the, the one kid and the
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rest of his friends kind of staring at and, you know, sort of look like he was in the face of this
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Native American smiling at him. And, um, that's out of context because then once you saw the entire
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context, it completely flipped the, the, the situation on its head and you saw that, oh no,
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actually the Native American guy, Nathan Phillips, he was the one who instigated this. He was okay.
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So that's, that's what out of context is. Um, Omar's comments were not out of context. And to show you
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that let's go to the Washington post video. Um, the post is of course running damage control for a
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member of their own party, which it's a Democrat party is their party. They are the, they are a,
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uh, a member of the sort of PR, the unofficial PR firm for the Democrat party. They released a fact
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checking, a quote unquote fact checking video, which supposedly shows the full context of Omar's
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comments. And, and, uh, in, in, it's supposed to show that, well, really it's not as bad as it looked
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this, this video was supposed to debunk the controversy and vindicate Ilhan Omar. So let's
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take a look. Now, again, this is the Washington post. They're trying to run cover for her.
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They're doing the best they can. And so this is the Washington post putting those comments
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in context. Watch. Here's the truth. Far too long. We have lived with the discomfort of being a second
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class citizen. And frankly, I'm tired of it. And every single Muslim in this country should be tired
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of it. CARE was founded after 9-11 because they recognized that some people did something and that
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all of us were starting to lose access to our civil liberties. So you can't just say that today someone
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is looking at me strange, that I am going to try to make myself look pleasant.
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You have to say, this person is looking at me strange. I am not comfortable with it. I am going
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to go talk to them and ask them why, because that is a right you have. Um, okay.
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Does that change anything at all? So that's the full context. Does it, how does that affect what
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she, what she's in trouble for saying? Uh, if anything, it makes it worse because the rest of
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the context is her just painting Muslims as the real victims of 9-11. That's the full context.
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The full context is she's the victim and Muslims are the victims. So I don't see how that helps
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her case at all. She says some people did something. And then she goes on to talk about
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the poor Muslims. Uh, she doesn't make any additional comments about 9-11 that would shed a
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better light on the, some people did something remarks. Okay. She doesn't do that. So this is
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not taken out of context. Now you may be confused and you may ask, well, uh, what does the Washington
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Post even think that this video proves? Why would they, what's the pointer? They're, they're,
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they're, they're fact checking and they're not adding anything to it at all. What's their point?
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Well, the answer is that it, they're, they don't really, they know that the video doesn't prove
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anything. The point of the video is to not be watched. The video exists just so that a debunking
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video exists so that most people will see it and say, Oh, the Washington Post already debunked that
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and not actually watch the video itself. And, um, and that's, and that, and that's true. That's
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what, that, that's what will happen with most people. It was the same thing. You remember with
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the Planned Parenthood undercover videos, um, where they, Planned Parenthood officials were caught
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saying all kinds of horrible things, trying to sell, uh, aborted baby parts. And there were all
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kinds of articles that were written in the mainstream media and videos done debunking the
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controversy and so on. But if you actually read those articles or watch the videos, you saw that,
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oh, they didn't really debunk anything. They didn't even try because there's, there's, they can't.
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Planned Parenthood was caught red-handed trying to sell aborted baby parts. It's right there on video.
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Uh, but the mainstream media knew that most people aren't what most people, most people,
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they just want to see that there are articles out there debunking this. They're not going to read it.
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They're not going to take the time to read it. They just want to know that it's there so that
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they can say, Oh, that was debunked, but it gets worse. Um, as the video, the debunking video goes on,
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it gets much worse. Watch this. Plus not everyone always refers to the 9-11 terrorists.
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as terrorists. I can hear you. The rest of the world hears you and the people
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and the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon.
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Okay. All right. Now, Omar herself, uh, made the same comparison a few days ago as well.
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So the, the post and Omar are working from the same talking point sheet sheet here, but
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that comparison is obviously completely absurd. And I don't think I need to explain why, but I will
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anyway. George Bush was standing on the rubble of the tower, uh, impromptu talking into a bullhorn
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and he was threatening to find and kill the people who did it. Okay. So nobody thinks with,
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with, with president Bush, which by the way, that's, I think that moment right there is one
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of the great moments in presidential history. It's one of the great moments any president has ever had,
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in my opinion. Uh, so say whatever else you want about Bush and there are plenty of things you can
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criticize about him, but, um, that was just a, an all time great historic moment by a president.
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And, uh, I think a moment that most presidents that we've ever had would just wouldn't have been
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able, wouldn't, wouldn't have done that. Um, anyway, he's standing on the rubble of the tower,
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pointing to it and saying the people who did this, I mean, we're, he didn't say it explicitly,
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but what he's saying is the people who did this, we're going to kill them. Nobody in their right
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mind thinks that he was dismissing or downplaying nine 11. You don't stand on the rubble of the
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destroyed tower saying we're going to kill the people who did this because you want to downplay
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nine 11. That comparison is, I mean, it's so unbelievably dishonest, but again, as far as
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the Washington post is concerned, you know, that, that little part of the video is about four minutes
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in. They know that most people aren't going to see that. That's just filler. Um, so from there,
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Congressman, uh, Dan Crenshaw and many other conservatives have criticized Omar, uh, and
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rightfully so. And then a couple of days ago, Trump sent out, um, this video via tweet.
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Care was founded after nine 11 because they recognize that some people did something.
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So you have no idea right now. Oh, there's another one. Another plane just hit.
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Oh my goodness. There is smoke pouring out the Pentagon.
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And things just went nuclear from there, right? On, on the part of the Democrats, they're now crying
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that Omar's life is being jeopardized by the criticisms against her. Um, and that Trump and
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other Republicans are inciting violence. In fact, all the Democrats, especially all the 2020 Democrats,
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the ones running for president of 2020, basically in unison started using the exact same language,
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uh, incitement to violence, right? They, they, they all, they all latched onto the same term,
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almost as if it was coordinated. Who, who, who knew, uh, they all latched onto that same term at the
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exact same time. And they just started saying it and repeating it over and over and over again.
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Uh, Omar is, is the real victim, right? Criticizing her as incitement.
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Now, Ilhan Omar put out a statement last night, um, hammering on this theme. She says,
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since the president's tweet Friday evening, I have experienced an increase in direct threats on my
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life. Many directly referencing or replying to the president's video. I thank the Capitol police,
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the FBI, the house Sergeant of arms, and the speaker of the house for their attention to these threats,
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violent crimes and other acts of hate by right-wing extremists and white nationalists are on the rise
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in this country and around the world. We can no longer ignore that they are being encouraged by
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the occupant of the highest office in the land. Uh, counties that hosted a 2016 Trump rally saw a
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226% increase in hate crimes in the months following the rally, uh, and assaults, insults increase when
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cities host Trump rallies. This is particularly concerning given the president's visit to my home state of
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Minnesota on Monday. Um, violent rhetoric and all forms of hate speech have no place, blah, blah,
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blah, blah, blah, blah. Uh, of course the, the term, the figure she's using there, 226% increase. Um,
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you can't take any of that at face value. I hope that of course you would know that, but
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yeah, violent crime from white nationalists is on the rise around the world. Yeah. Well, um,
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does it come anywhere close to Islamic terrorism? No, not anywhere close to that. But of course,
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Ilhan Omar, she's worried about the, she's worried about white nationalist violence around the world.
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Uh, not so much about Islamic terrorism. She doesn't really talk much about that except to laugh about
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it. And okay. Um, let's, let's clarify a few things here. Number one,
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if, if we're inciting violence against Ilhan Omar by quoting her
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and accusing her of being flippant and dismissive of nine 11, which she was,
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then is she not inciting violence against the president when she claims that he's encouraging
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violence? I mean, doesn't this go both ways? And in any case, criticism is not incitement.
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Do you know what incitement is? Incitement is when you get up and actively and explicitly
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encourage people to commit violence. That's incitement and that's illegal, but nobody is doing
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that in, in reference to Omar, at least not any prominent person is doing that.
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What conservatives are doing is we're just, we're criticizing her, which we have every right to do
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and which we are completely, not just legally permitted, but we are morally justified in doing
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so because what she said and the, and the kinds of things that she always says are abhorrent.
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If criticism is incitement, then I've been the victim of incitement thousands of times.
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And if criticism is incitement, then president Trump has been the victim of incitement hundreds
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of millions of times. But it is interesting though, isn't it? How Ilhan Omar and AOC and the
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other women in that contingent usually claim to be strong, independent women, but the moment you
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criticize them, they fall into a lump on the floor and become these damsels in distress, don't they?
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And something else is interesting that leftists have spent two years claiming that the president
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of the United States is a secret Russian agent in league with Putin, uh, claiming that Brett Kavanaugh
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is a, uh, is a serial gang rapist. They've, they've accused a bunch of, of random high school students
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of being racist bigots because they looked at a native American man. Yet now after all of that,
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they're worried about, they're worried about incitement. They're worried about irresponsible
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rhetoric after all of that. Yeah. I don't, I don't buy that for a second, not for a second.
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And when, when a liberal fired 70 rounds into a GOP baseball game a couple of years ago,
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did any of these Democrats say anything about incitement and rhetoric? Did any of them?
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All the ones that are so worried about it now, did they have anything to say about that? No,
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not a single one because they are, um, conniving frauds in the Democrat party, almost without
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exception. Okay. Uh, what else? Well, a lot of people have sent me this study that was done
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allegedly proving that men with facial hair carry around more germs than dogs. Um, and
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the only thing I'm going to say about this is, uh, if you see this study, it is vicious, dishonest,
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anti-beard propaganda. And the scientists behind it are all a bunch of beardless baby faces who are
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jealous that they can only grow patchy peach fuzz. Okay. All anti-beard rhetoric at the end of the day,
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originates from envious beardless people, be they men or women. And that's all I'll say about that.
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So you can just, you just toss that, toss that to the side. One other thing I wanted to mention
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before getting into some emails, um, I don't mean to open up this can of worms again, but I also can't
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resist. So a few days ago, uh, I said on Twitter, half joking that dogs are the most overrated
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things in the universe. Um, second, perhaps only to the, to the, the original star Wars trilogy.
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And now I do think that dogs and star Wars are overrated, but obviously I'm, I'm engaging in a
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bit of, uh, in a bit of, uh, joking hyperbole at the same time. And, and, but, but from there,
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as you might expect, um, the dog people started coming and, and, uh, they, uh, claiming that,
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you know, dogs are wonderful. They're the most loving creatures in the world and so much more
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loving than people and so on. And I simply and calmly explained that dogs are, you know,
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dogs are fine, but actually dogs aren't really capable of love in the human sense. Um,
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because they don't have that same awareness of themselves. They don't have the same, uh,
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ability to choose, you know, they're largely instinctive animals. Um, and love requires an
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awareness of the self. It also requires an ability to choose, uh, which, so animals just don't have
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that. And, and their love for you is based mostly on the fact that you feed them. Um, if they were
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starving and you were incapacitated or dead, they would just eat you. So, and that's fine, right?
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They're, they're dogs. It's okay. Dogs are dogs. No big deal. Um, but
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if you really think that dogs are more capable of love than humans, I think that says a lot more
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about you than it does about dogs or other people. It just means that you're a bit of a sociopath.
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Um, if you actually have people in your life who you really love, like children, spouse,
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you would never equate a dog's affection for its caretakers to human love. And that's all I said,
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right. A basic point, an obvious point, no big deal. Well, as expected, uh, since then,
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I've gotten some very angry messages from dog lovers, including this one, which I just,
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I have to read because it's so over the top. Uh, I, no, remember again, keep in mind why this
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message was sent because I just, I, I just said that about dogs, you know, dogs are fine, but
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they're, they're not people. That was basically my point. Okay. Um, I never advocated that we go and
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kill all the dogs in the world or whatever. I never said that, but here's the, a message from
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someone says you hating dogs so much makes you a worthless quote unquote human being. Go F yourself
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because God knows that's the only way you get any, unless you're white, unless you get your poor wife
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drunk. I feel especially sorry for your kids who have a POS like you as a father, the fact that you
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reproduced and the fact that you exist is sickening. Um, now, again, that was because I said that dogs
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are overrated. The person who sent that message, by the way, is a middle-aged woman. Um, looks to be
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just kind of like a normal soccer mom based on her picture. And I'm sure that if you bumped into this
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person on the street, you'd think that this was just a normal person, right? But behind the scenes,
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she's sending delusional, sexually charged screeds to people on Twitter who don't like dogs enough.
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And that's one thing I find interesting about what I do for a living, because I get a lot of emails and
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messages every single day. And I think that they really, you know, they really give you an insight
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into what people are really like more so than interacting with people in the real world, you
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know, bumping into a stranger and exchanging pleasantries with them. That doesn't really give
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you any sense of what a person's actually like, because, because even, even a, even a serial
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killer could, you know, is capable of making small talk on an elevator if he doesn't decide to kill
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you instead. Um, but it's on the internet that people feel free to be themselves, which is why I
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don't like this delineation sometimes between, well, you know, that's, that's just how people are on the
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internet. That's not how they are in real life. Well, no, but those are real people on the internet,
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right? These are actual human beings who are expressing their points of view on the internet.
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It's just, the internet is just a mode of communication. That's all. So no, I mean,
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if you discover that a sizable portion of the people you encounter online are just absolute
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maniacs and scumbags, unfortunately that means that there just are a lot of maniacs and scumbags in
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the world because almost everybody is online. Um, and this is where people let their true color
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shine because they feel like they have the, the ability to do that, um, without shame or without
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fear of reprisal or whatever. So that's the first thing. The other point is that, uh, while this woman
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is obviously over the top, she is representative of a group and not a very small group either. Um,
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who are just, I mean, I, I don't, I don't know what else you could call them besides dog worshipers.
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I mean, they really, there are, it seems like there are a lot of people in this country who
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really do worship dogs. They actually think that dogs are like gods basically. And I don't even think
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that that's hyperbole. I think that that's really the case. Uh, now I have no problem with people who
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love pets and love animals in general. I think that's great. I have a dog myself. I like
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my dog. Uh, but he's just a dog. As I said, my feelings towards him do not even get close to the
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ballpark of my feelings for my kids. Like they're not even in the ballpark next door. They're like
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on a ballpark on another planet somewhere. Just not even in the, just not anywhere in the vicinity.
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Right. Um, as in if we were all starving to death and we had no other food, I would in a second kill
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my dog and feed them to my kids. Right. I wouldn't even have to think about it. That's just,
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that's no problem. Uh, that's where he ranks in the hierarchy, but it's fine. I like having
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him around and he's a dog and it's fine, but there are people. And this woman is a member
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of this group, obviously who really do love animals more than they love people who love
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their pets even more than they love their own children. And that's the really disturbing
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thing. Um, that people at a minimum, they consider their pets to be on an equal playing field
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with their own, with their human children. And these kinds of people exist. And I believe
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based on my observations that it is a growing group and it's a problem because it's sort of
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a sign of a dying civilization. When everyone starts to worship animals, like we're, we're
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reverting back to paganism. Um, all I want to say to this group, if you're in this group
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of people, all I want to say to you is this, uh, and I'm not talking again, I'm not talking
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about people who love their pets. That's fine. If you love your pets more than you love
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people, uh, and even more or equal to how you love your children. Well, so what I would
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say is it's not okay, uh, to be how you are. Um, it's, it's not okay to like animals more
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than people. It really isn't. That's actually a very demented and disturbed point of view.
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Um, and it stems entirely, and this is why it's so such a problem. It stems entirely
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from your selfishness. So the reason you love animals more than people is because your relationship
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with your dog is all about you, right? Uh, and that's what people like about dogs. Your
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dog is obsessed with you, follows you around, fawns all over you, literally slobbering all
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over you, thinks of nothing but you while you're out of the house. He just wants you to come
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back. And when you're back, he's so excited. Um, and that's why people like dogs, but human
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beings aren't like that, right? People aren't going to live every second of every day thinking
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only of you pining after you wanting to be with you. Um, I don't know. I mean, personally,
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I wouldn't want that kind of attachment from another human being. It's just, it's a, it's
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a little too much. Like I need a little bit of space. Um, but people have their own internal
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life and their own existence, uh, that is not all about you, their own identity. And
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I think for the people who like dogs more than people, that's why you don't like people
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as much because you've yet to meet a person who will structure their entire existence around
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you. And you don't like that because you are a complete egomaniac. So much of an egomaniac
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that as far as you're concerned, the hierarchy of beings is it's like you at number one and
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then dogs and then all other people. That's a problem. That's all I'm saying. All right.
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Um, let's go to emails, mattwallshowatgmail.com, mattwallshowatgmail.com. All right. Let's see
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here. Um, maybe I'll save that one for tomorrow. Okay. No, I won't. I'll read this. All right.
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So over the last, uh, week or so, we've been having this debate on the show about, uh, whether
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or not we should use the Bible when debating with unbelievers, atheists, secular people about
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issues that are not explicitly theological. And one example we've been using is abortion.
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Like if you're debating, if you're trying to persuade, uh, you know, a non-Christian person
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about the evils of abortion, do you throw the Bible at them or do you use science, logic,
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reason, and those sorts of things. And I have been arguing that, uh, no, you don't throw
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the Bible. You use science, logic, and reason. Well, I gave to make my point. I gave as an
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example, uh, because it just so happened that a couple of weeks ago, I was speaking at Boston
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university and a woman stood up during the Q and a and said that, um, that in fact, she had
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been convinced persuaded over to the pro-life side by the arguments presented by me and,
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and, and Ben Shapiro and other people, the daily wire and other conservatives. So here's an example.
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And the reason I brought her up is because, uh, the, the, the people on the Bible thumping side
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of it, what they like to claim is that, well, you're never going to persuade someone with logic
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and science. It's never going to happen. You need to just, you need to just quote the Bible
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to them and let that work in their heart. And that's the only way it's the only thing that can
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work. You're never going to persuade someone just with, just with arguments. Well, I said,
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no, actually you can. Um, it happens all the time. Actually, it's very possible to do. Here's one
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example. And that woman happened to write an email, um, sort of giving more context, uh, about her own
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personal journey. And so I thought it'd be really interesting to read this email, especially for
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people who say that this is not possible, that you can't do this. Well, you can do it. And let me
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read the email to you. She says, uh, I saw your tweet yesterday where you mentioned when I stood up
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and spoke at your BU speech and I've been listening and reading the debates you've been having about
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how to go about discussing abortion with people and would like to give you my two cents. Like I said
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that night earlier in my life, the nineties, I was a lefty and social worker specifically for the
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parenting and pregnant teen programs that popped up after Clinton's welfare reform went through.
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Um, I watched teenage girls get abortions depending on who the father was. I also had an 18 year old
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with two kids who got an abortion every other time. Uh, after really working for the government,
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child social services for five years, nine 11, and my older brothers having children all happening
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around the same time, like a perfect storm, my views completely changed. And now I am very much a
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libertarian conservative and I see how dumb I was and see myself and all of these college kids who
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are, who get up at your Q and A's. It's embarrassing, but being a libertarian, I was still pro-choice.
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A government shouldn't be involved, right? Anyway, I remember the first time in the last couple of
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years that I started to actually think about my position. The first thing that ever gave me pause,
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I was technically pro-choice, but never felt it would be my choice. You know, that whole argument
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in my life, no one ever gave logical arguments from the other side until Trump was elected.
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No one on the right talked about this stuff out loud or confidently, especially during the previous
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eight years and during the 2016 election. And after I got turned on to the daily wire and Steven
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Crowder, the first thing that ever got me to really think about it was when one of you said,
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so in slave days, so in slave days, would you have just said, I would never own a slave,
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but I wouldn't tell other people not to. That's when I told, uh, that's when I would say my ears
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perked up for the first time. And I was open to listening. The next thing that hit me was when one of
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you said, if it's just a clump of cells, if it's really not a baby and there's really nothing wrong
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with it, why is it always talked about being such a difficult decision? Why are women agonizing and
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feeling ashamed? I'd always found the whole rape and incest exception thing inconsistent.
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It's either murdering a baby or it's not. My thing was that I knew at a certain point it was not okay,
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but wasn't sure that wasn't sure what that point was and didn't give it much thought.
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Then I saw that chart that Steven Crowder uses, and I think Ben uses it too. And you see at each
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point what it looks like. And it's, it's hard to argue at any point that it doesn't at least look
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like a baby, even the tiniest of embryos under a microscope. And I heard one, one of you say,
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does the vaginal canal have some magic power that instills life as a baby passes through it?
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But I was still wavering until DNA and fingerprints. One of you said that they have their own unique DNA
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almost immediately. The last argument that hung on is always, it's part of the woman's body, etc.
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But to know that it has its own unique DNA and soon after its fingerprints means it's a separate
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entity unto itself. It is separate from the mother, even though it's connected. So I knew
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immediately how I felt and I turned. My husband and I would say that, say to each other quietly,
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that we knew we had, we had changed how we felt since becoming aware of the Daily Wire and Steven
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Crowder. But that's how we said it. Like when we were voting, we knew we were voting for Trump,
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but we never said the words out loud. But not until the night at BU. I did say it out loud and
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I can tell you exactly why. There were two things you said. Number one, the whole relive your life
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backwards thing from today, reverse it back 10 years, 20 years to your birth, and then about 60
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seconds before your birth. Was that not still you? She's quoting me there, paraphrasing. Number two,
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everything is alive, dead or inanimate. It's another argument I made. I realized that night plants are
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alive and they don't have a heartbeat. Never thought about that. And I still have a little
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trouble. Like the planet, is that alive? Is the sun alive? Is rain alive? On the way home, I used my
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husband. I asked my husband, like my kidney inside my body, is that alive? And he said, yes. And I said,
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I'm not sure about that. What about, what about my kidney by itself on a table outside my body? And he
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said, that's dead flesh. That made sense. But the main point of my email, I was raised by a non-practicing
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Catholic mother and a rabid anti-religious atheist father who, both good people, she says in
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parentheses, who took me under his wing and was always in my ear. I turned out for most of my life
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a hardcore atheist. Even though I went through the sacraments, I did so to prove a point that I was
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beating the system because I didn't believe and I could get married in a church. I'd always thought
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to believe in religion was weak and shows you are not intelligent until I was married with a child who
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we are raising in the Catholic church due to my husband. And I am seeing that spark I missed out
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on, uh, the sense of purpose and being. I don't know if the whole God thing is true, but there is
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something I definitely missed out on feeling about myself and not believing it as a child, if that
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makes sense. And I wanted to back up your argument. I heard you make on your podcast after you mentioned
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me standing up, uh, the other night, you said, if you can get people to believe you about something
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like this logically, they may then wonder if you're right about other things too. And that's what's
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happening to me now. Listening to all of you crazy smart people being right about all these things
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and making complete sense. I am much more open to religion than ever before. And the more I read
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Ben's new book and listening to you and hearing so many explanations to questions I always had when
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thinking, how can some smart people believe this? So yes, I was converted on abortion by science.
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And now realizing you guys are so smart, my ears have perked up in just the same way about religion.
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And who knows where that goes? Thank you. Uh, and then she doesn't want me to give her name.
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Okay. So I wanted to read that whole thing because I think that that's, um,
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first of all, I mean, it proves a point. And this isn't a point about me, like, Oh, look at this one.
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You know, she, she talked a lot more about other conservatives, Steven Crowder and Ben Shapiro.
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So it's not just like arguments that I presented, but, um, so that's not the point. The point is two
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things here. Number one, it is possible. Okay. And she's not the only one who has been convinced,
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persuaded, um, by logical and scientific arguments, not just on abortion, but on so many other issues
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and not just by me or Ben Shapiro, Steven Crowder, but by, by anybody. Right. Um, it is possible.
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So this is for all the emails I've gotten saying, it's not possible. You can't do it. Okay. Well,
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what about this woman? Is she, you think she's the one exception in the whole universe? Or do you
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think maybe you're wrong? Maybe it is possible. And, uh, the second point here is, I think what
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you see in this email, why I wanted to read it is it's a testament to this person who sent the email
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that this is someone who is, um, has intellectual integrity, right? Uh, who, who's willing to admit
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that they might be wrong. And that's all you really need. Like if you're talking to some, if
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you're, if you're arguing with someone who doesn't have intellectual integrity, who's not intellectually
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curious, um, who doesn't have, um, any sort of moral fortitude or courage. Well, in, in that moment,
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there's probably nothing you could say to persuade them. You could, you could probably plant some seeds
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in their mind that may sprout later on, but in that moment, there's nothing you can do because they
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have to be willing to receive. But if you're talking to somebody who is it, even if they disagree
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with you vehemently, but if they have intellectual integrity and they're at least willing to listen
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and they're open to hearing the other side, if you're talking to someone like that, well,
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you could change their whole way of thinking in 20 minutes, you could theoretically. Um,
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and that's why I think it's so important. And you're never really going to know in the moment,
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whether you're talking to someone with intellectual integrity or not. So you're not really going to
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know that, but if you are, and you've got someone who's, who's open-minded and they're listening to
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you, the last thing you want to do is say something that's going to cause them to close their mind off
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to you. Because you just had this amazing opportunity to convince someone of something.
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And if you, if you go the wrong route, they're going to close it off and you're going to miss
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that opportunity. And I think, as I've been saying, and as I've been arguing, um, if you're,
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if you have someone like this, who you're talking to, if you go the Bible thumping route,
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you lost the opportunity. They're going to close you out because they've heard all that stuff before.
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They don't want to be preached at. There's, there's a lot of baggage there. They don't,
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everything. I'm not going to repeat it all, but they, they don't agree with the premise
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and all of that. All you've succeeded is they've closed you off. They're walking away. You failed.
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You just fail. If you can keep that Avenue open, just keep the door open,
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which I think requires a little bit of, um, you know, prudence and, and, and, and trying to meet
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them on their level. If you can do that, then, um, then anything is possible. So I think,
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I think that's great. I really enjoyed that email. And, um, again, the credit goes not to
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me or Ben Shapiro or Steven Crowder or anyone else who presented an argument to her, because
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the arguments we're making are just super obvious. Most of the people listening, you all
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could make those arguments yourselves. Um, it's just that she grew up in an environment where she
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had never been exposed to that way of thinking. And if you're not exposed to it, then, you know,
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then you need to be exposed to it first before you can start thinking that way. So the credit
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goes to her for being open to that and, and at least willing to listen, which most people
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unfortunately are not. All right, let's see. Um, this is from Michael says, dear Matt, I attend
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a Baptist church and I'm frequently treated to sermons on the evils of alcohol. Uh, however,
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in my personal studies, every time the Bible addresses consumption of alcohol, it specifically
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refers to wine. When I asked my pastor about this, he told me that wine is just the biblical
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shorthand for all alcohol beverages. I am curious if this is the case or if wine is specifically
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mentioned due to its sacramental nature. Um, would love to get the Catholic perspective as well as
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your personal convictions on the subject. Uh, I think I've, we've talked about the alcohol thing
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before on the show. I'm not sure. So I don't want to repeat myself too much anymore than I already
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have. But, uh, yeah, the idea that the Bible condemns alcohol outright is theologically absurd.
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That's, that is just a theological invention. Uh, I'm afraid to say on the part of your pastor
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and any other pastor who gets up there and says all, all, all alcohol is evil. What they're doing
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is that's a personal belief that they have, which is fine. You know, you're, you're entitled to that
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personal belief and it's perfectly fine. It's perfectly fine to have that personal belief
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and that personal conviction that alcohol is, you know, that you don't want to drink alcohol.
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Great. I have no problem with that. But when you try to take that personal conviction and impose it
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onto the text to try to make it into more than just your personal conviction, to try to turn it into
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God's conviction, um, then I have a problem with that. And not because it, no matter what the subject
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is, I don't care if it's alcohol or anything else. I have a problem with doing that. And I think it's
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wrong. And honestly, it's, it's dishonest because there's just no, I'm sorry. Jesus Christ's first
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miracle recorded in the gospel. As far as we know, his first miracle on earth was providing wine for
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a wedding. And if you try to tell me that it was, it was, uh, it was non-alcoholic wine that he was
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providing to a wedding. I mean, that is just so ridiculous. There's no textual reason for that at
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all. You're not getting that from the text. You're getting it from your own head. By the way, I'm not
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yelling at you, Michael, because you're asking the question. I'm just yelling at everyone who makes
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this claim, which isn't you. It's completely ridiculous. In fact, it even says that the guests
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at the, at the, at the party, at the, at the wedding were shocked that it was, it was, this was the
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finest wine. It was the best wine. And they were shocked that, that it had been saved for, for the
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end. Okay. Do you think that, that non-alcoholic wine, that grape juice is, is the finest wine,
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the best wine? No. And why is it that typically, and this is a practice even still today, why is it
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that the, that the usually the, the lower quality alcohol is provided at the end? Well, because by then
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people have been drinking and they're feeling good, they're feeling loose and they're going to
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be less discerning about the alcohol you give them. It's the same thing. I have a Christmas party
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every year at my house, my wife and I do. And, uh, we stock the fridge with beer and we've got the
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good expensive beer, but we don't, I don't want to pay to stock the entire fridge with good expensive
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beer. So get, got some good expensive craft beer. And then we also get like some yingling or
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Coors Light or something. At the end of the night, all that's left is the Coors or the yingling.
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And then people start drinking that because now they're, they're a little bit less discerning
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about it. So, okay. That is clearly means that this is alcoholic wine. We're talking about
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at a party. Okay. You're not going to have, it's not a big emergency. If you run out of grape juice
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at a wedding, if you run out of wine, that's a problem, right? Because it's, it's hard to have
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a fun party without any alcohol. So Jesus Christ's first miracle on earth is to provide alcohol to a
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party. And yet these people think that they can make some sort of argument that the Bible condemns
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alcohol outright. It's again, it's fine. If you don't like it, just stop, pretend, stop trying
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to put that on the text. Just admit that this is your personal opinion and that's fine.
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Uh, it's just a noise, man. All right, let's do one more here. Um,
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Oh, speaking of alcohol, here we go. This is, uh, from Joe says, brother, Matt, I believe you're
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mostly a bourbon man, but I'm curious if you fancy any fancy, any rise or scotches or other whiskeys,
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please rank your top five whiskeys. Have a blessed Holy week. Uh, I could drink a rye or scotch, but
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I'm not, you know, I, I, I basically stick with bourbons myself. Although if I'm at someone's house
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and they, you know, crack open a bottle of scotch, believe me, I'll have some. So my top five,
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I won't rank them in order. Uh, so this is not an order, but these are my go-tos would be four
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roses, Woodford, um, knob Creek Blanton's, and I guess makers 46 would be my probably four, four
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roses is, uh, it's not the highest quality of all bourbons by any means, but, um, it's just a really
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good go-to relatively inexpensive and, uh, it's great stuff. All right. We will leave it there on that
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a wonderful note. Thanks for watching everybody. Thanks for listening. Godspeed.
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