The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 239 - Words Are Violence

00:00:00.000 Today on the Matt Walsh Show, the Democrats are now claiming that conservatives are inciting

00:00:04.640 violence against Ilhan Omar by criticizing her. This is just a dishonest, deceitful ploy to shut

00:00:11.160 down speech. It's reprehensible, and we'll talk about it. Also, I want to mention one of the great

00:00:17.280 things about America that's embodied by the reaction to Tiger Woods' big, big win yesterday,

00:00:24.400 and an absolutely deranged dog lover sends me a disturbing piece of hate mail because I criticize

00:00:32.020 dogs. And we'll talk about what it is that goes wrong in a person's mind that makes them so

00:00:39.280 unbelievably obsessed with their pets. I want to talk about that as well today on the Matt Walsh Show.

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00:01:28.260 where it comes from. It's usually women who are complaining about cargo shorts. Well, let's think 1.00

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00:04:29.920 Okay. Um, as far as Tiger Woods go, I was, I was legitimately excited to see the Tiger Woods

00:04:36.260 won the Masters yesterday. Um, as you no doubt heard, I don't watch golf. Uh, I don't really care

00:04:42.800 about golf. The only professional golfer I can name is Tiger Woods, but I will say that

00:04:49.660 I was, I was happy to hear about his victory and I was happier about something else, which

00:04:55.380 is that, you know, turning on the news, going online, whatever. It seems like almost everybody

00:05:00.420 is happy, right? That, that he won. Um, yeah, there are a few naysayers here and there, I'm

00:05:05.700 sure, but most everyone's happy about it. And, uh, I thought as I was watching this reaction,

00:05:13.900 I thought, well, this is a, this is good because this is a positive thing that we all still seem

00:05:21.860 to share as Americans is that we all love stories of redemption, right? We love underdog stories.

00:05:27.060 We love comeback stories, stories of redemption. Now I've said in the past that one of the problems

00:05:32.780 in America is that I'm not sure I can think of one positive, um, uniting sort of principle or,

00:05:44.860 or value, um, or trait that we all share. And if you want to have a real country, you need to have

00:05:52.960 things that you all share. Besides the fact that you all happen to live on the same plot of land,

00:05:57.440 there needs to be something deeper than that. And, um, and I still think that there aren't many,

00:06:04.080 um, uniting characteristics that we all have as Americans anymore, unfortunately,

00:06:09.140 but this might be one, maybe this might be the only one is that we all love a good comeback story.

00:06:14.600 And that's pretty good. That's, I mean, that's not enough to build a country around

00:06:18.120 or maintain a country around, but it is a good thing. So at least we have that and,

00:06:22.940 and let's hang on to it. So congratulations to Tiger Woods. Here's something that isn't so great

00:06:29.460 though. Um, Ilhan Omar, let's, let's go back and review here for a moment, um, to get ourselves

00:06:36.500 caught up to speed with everything going on with this. So representative Omar, as you probably heard

00:06:42.460 was, was speaking at a care banquet. That's C A I R the Muslim group care. Um, speaking at a care 1.00

00:06:48.700 banquet a few weeks ago, um, during those remarks, that's when she said infamously now this care was

00:06:57.980 founded after nine 11 because they recognize that some people did something and that all of us were

00:07:06.840 starting to lose access to our civil liberties. Now, of course, everyone is focused on the,

00:07:14.100 the part where she says some people did something, um, because of how flippantly it dismisses nine

00:07:21.180 11. But she also said in that same clip, she also lies about America and says that Muslims are losing

00:07:30.100 access to their civil liberties because of nine 11. Now, where is that happening? She doesn't, 0.69

00:07:36.600 she doesn't provide any examples of it. This is by far not the only time, not the first time I've heard

00:07:41.780 this claim that Muslims lost their civil liberties in America after nine 11, but how so where did that

00:07:49.180 happen? Now you could certainly argue that all Americans lost some of their civil liberties after

00:07:54.820 nine 11, uh, what with the Patriot act and the TSA and so on. And I would agree with that claim,

00:08:00.880 but to say that Muslims were somehow legally singled out is just simply false. It's just a lie.

00:08:08.400 Um, but that aside, the thing that most people have homed in on is the part where she says,

00:08:15.300 you know, some people did something and for good reason, especially considering her history

00:08:20.600 of this kind of thing. Here she is not long ago laughing about Al Qaeda. Watch this.

00:08:26.760 Um, I remember, um, when I was in college, I took, uh, a terrorism class and is that a such thing?

00:08:32.960 Yeah, there was, there was, there is a lab for that. There was a, there was a class that you,

00:08:37.360 Do you go to a lab? No, we learned the ideology of, uh, I'm glad you do that.

00:08:43.980 And so it was, it was the, the thing that was interesting in the class was every time the, the,

00:08:49.980 the professor said Al Qaeda, he sort of like his shoulders went up and you know,

00:08:55.020 he's in command here. Al Qaeda, you know, hospital. He's an expert. And it was, you know,

00:09:00.860 What's his name? We're putting his name on there. We are not, we are not saying his name.

00:09:06.100 Yeah. You probably get to see him on, on CNN. Yeah, of course. I love those guys.

00:09:11.000 But you know, but, but, but it is, it is that you don't say America with an intensity. You don't

00:09:16.260 say England with an intensity, you know, you don't, you don't say, um, the army with an intensity.

00:09:23.440 Carter.

00:09:24.180 But you say these, these names because you, you want that, that word to carry weight.

00:09:29.980 You want it to leave something.

00:09:33.080 It has a cultural meaning.

00:09:34.800 Exactly. So it's, it, you know, it's, it's said with a deeper voice.

00:09:39.340 Now the left of course has gone into overdrive, overdrive trying to defend, uh, well, not well,

00:09:45.840 deflect really not, not defend because there's nothing you could say to defend it. So instead

00:09:49.980 they're just deflecting, which is what they always do with, with these sorts of things.

00:09:55.480 So they've been trying to, to deflect in two ways. Number one, they've been saying, uh, that

00:10:00.620 the, some people did something remarks were taken out of context. And number two, they've been saying

00:10:07.520 that we, her critics by criticizing her are putting her life in danger. So we should just

00:10:14.600 stop doing that because we are, we are inciting violence against her. Let's take a look at both

00:10:20.140 of the, both of these, but we'll do it one at a time here. First of all, it really appears to me

00:10:26.220 that most people in this country don't know what the phrase out of context means. It seems that most

00:10:35.480 people, when they say that, when they say that, Oh, that was out of context, uh, what they really

00:10:40.640 mean to say is that in their opinion, the offending remarks weren't really that offensive,

00:10:46.600 uh, which may or may not be the case, but whether or not it is the case, that's not what out of

00:10:52.800 context means. Out of context is when just a portion of someone's comments are shown in order

00:10:59.900 to convey a meaning that is actually the opposite of, or at least totally different from their

00:11:05.260 actual apparent meaning. And one way of doing that is to show the clumsily worded portion,

00:11:10.360 but then not some other portion of the same remarks where they sort of clarify and flesh out

00:11:17.560 their idea more to, to, to, um, frame it a little bit more appropriately now. And that kind of thing

00:11:25.060 happens all the time. That's what out of context is. It's when you, when it always starts with

00:11:30.120 someone who has the whole, the whole picture and they purposefully, uh, take this one little part

00:11:38.440 that, that, you know, paints the entire situation in a, in a, in a different light. Perfect example of

00:11:46.060 this. There are so many examples we could, we could look at perfect example would be the Covington

00:11:49.920 Catholic kids. That is an example of taking something out of context where you had that

00:11:55.740 one little snippet that at first that only showed the, you know, the, the, the, the one kid and the

00:12:02.560 rest of his friends kind of staring at and, you know, sort of look like he was in the face of this

00:12:08.180 Native American smiling at him. And, um, that's out of context because then once you saw the entire

00:12:15.560 context, it completely flipped the, the, the situation on its head and you saw that, oh no,

00:12:21.160 actually the Native American guy, Nathan Phillips, he was the one who instigated this. He was okay.

00:12:25.800 So that's, that's what out of context is. Um, Omar's comments were not out of context. And to show you

00:12:33.900 that let's go to the Washington post video. Um, the post is of course running damage control for a

00:12:41.400 member of their own party, which it's a Democrat party is their party. They are the, they are a,

00:12:46.860 uh, a member of the sort of PR, the unofficial PR firm for the Democrat party. They released a fact

00:12:53.900 checking, a quote unquote fact checking video, which supposedly shows the full context of Omar's

00:13:00.760 comments. And, and, uh, in, in, it's supposed to show that, well, really it's not as bad as it looked

00:13:06.720 this, this video was supposed to debunk the controversy and vindicate Ilhan Omar. So let's

00:13:14.100 take a look. Now, again, this is the Washington post. They're trying to run cover for her.

00:13:17.820 They're doing the best they can. And so this is the Washington post putting those comments

00:13:22.740 in context. Watch. Here's the truth. Far too long. We have lived with the discomfort of being a second

00:13:30.700 class citizen. And frankly, I'm tired of it. And every single Muslim in this country should be tired 1.00

00:13:37.640 of it. CARE was founded after 9-11 because they recognized that some people did something and that

00:13:48.160 all of us were starting to lose access to our civil liberties. So you can't just say that today someone

00:13:58.420 is looking at me strange, that I am going to try to make myself look pleasant.

00:14:04.360 You have to say, this person is looking at me strange. I am not comfortable with it. I am going

00:14:11.920 to go talk to them and ask them why, because that is a right you have. Um, okay.

00:14:19.540 Does that change anything at all? So that's the full context. Does it, how does that affect what

00:14:28.980 she, what she's in trouble for saying? Uh, if anything, it makes it worse because the rest of

00:14:34.820 the context is her just painting Muslims as the real victims of 9-11. That's the full context.

00:14:40.540 The full context is she's the victim and Muslims are the victims. So I don't see how that helps 1.00

00:14:46.960 her case at all. She says some people did something. And then she goes on to talk about

00:14:52.420 the poor Muslims. Uh, she doesn't make any additional comments about 9-11 that would shed a

00:14:58.580 better light on the, some people did something remarks. Okay. She doesn't do that. So this is

00:15:05.700 not taken out of context. Now you may be confused and you may ask, well, uh, what does the Washington

00:15:13.500 Post even think that this video proves? Why would they, what's the pointer? They're, they're,

00:15:18.880 they're, they're fact checking and they're not adding anything to it at all. What's their point?

00:15:25.040 Well, the answer is that it, they're, they don't really, they know that the video doesn't prove

00:15:29.540 anything. The point of the video is to not be watched. The video exists just so that a debunking

00:15:39.180 video exists so that most people will see it and say, Oh, the Washington Post already debunked that

00:15:44.940 and not actually watch the video itself. And, um, and that's, and that, and that's true. That's

00:15:53.580 what, that, that's what will happen with most people. It was the same thing. You remember with

00:15:57.920 the Planned Parenthood undercover videos, um, where they, Planned Parenthood officials were caught

00:16:03.920 saying all kinds of horrible things, trying to sell, uh, aborted baby parts. And there were all

00:16:10.300 kinds of articles that were written in the mainstream media and videos done debunking the

00:16:14.940 controversy and so on. But if you actually read those articles or watch the videos, you saw that,

00:16:21.140 oh, they didn't really debunk anything. They didn't even try because there's, there's, they can't.

00:16:26.900 Planned Parenthood was caught red-handed trying to sell aborted baby parts. It's right there on video.

00:16:31.420 Uh, but the mainstream media knew that most people aren't what most people, most people,

00:16:38.640 they just want to see that there are articles out there debunking this. They're not going to read it.

00:16:44.100 They're not going to take the time to read it. They just want to know that it's there so that

00:16:46.420 they can say, Oh, that was debunked, but it gets worse. Um, as the video, the debunking video goes on,

00:16:56.280 it gets much worse. Watch this. Plus not everyone always refers to the 9-11 terrorists.

00:17:01.420 as terrorists. I can hear you. The rest of the world hears you and the people

00:17:07.640 and the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon.

00:17:19.300 Okay. All right. Now, Omar herself, uh, made the same comparison a few days ago as well.

00:17:26.500 So the, the post and Omar are working from the same talking point sheet sheet here, but

00:17:31.800 that comparison is obviously completely absurd. And I don't think I need to explain why, but I will

00:17:37.780 anyway. George Bush was standing on the rubble of the tower, uh, impromptu talking into a bullhorn

00:17:48.340 and he was threatening to find and kill the people who did it. Okay. So nobody thinks with, 0.96

00:17:57.220 with, with president Bush, which by the way, that's, I think that moment right there is one

00:18:02.540 of the great moments in presidential history. It's one of the great moments any president has ever had,

00:18:09.560 in my opinion. Uh, so say whatever else you want about Bush and there are plenty of things you can

00:18:14.140 criticize about him, but, um, that was just a, an all time great historic moment by a president.

00:18:20.340 And, uh, I think a moment that most presidents that we've ever had would just wouldn't have been

00:18:26.040 able, wouldn't, wouldn't have done that. Um, anyway, he's standing on the rubble of the tower,

00:18:33.200 pointing to it and saying the people who did this, I mean, we're, he didn't say it explicitly, 0.99

00:18:39.660 but what he's saying is the people who did this, we're going to kill them. Nobody in their right 0.99

00:18:45.500 mind thinks that he was dismissing or downplaying nine 11. You don't stand on the rubble of the

00:18:50.960 destroyed tower saying we're going to kill the people who did this because you want to downplay

00:18:55.040 nine 11. That comparison is, I mean, it's so unbelievably dishonest, but again, as far as 0.76

00:19:02.860 the Washington post is concerned, you know, that, that little part of the video is about four minutes

00:19:06.640 in. They know that most people aren't going to see that. That's just filler. Um, so from there,

00:19:14.320 Congressman, uh, Dan Crenshaw and many other conservatives have criticized Omar, uh, and

00:19:20.540 rightfully so. And then a couple of days ago, Trump sent out, um, this video via tweet.

00:19:26.700 Care was founded after nine 11 because they recognize that some people did something.

00:19:36.640 So you have no idea right now. Oh, there's another one. Another plane just hit.

00:19:40.640 Some people did something.

00:19:45.420 Oh my goodness. There is smoke pouring out the Pentagon.

00:19:48.960 Some people did something.

00:19:53.020 It just flew straight into it.

00:20:06.640 And things just went nuclear from there, right? On, on the part of the Democrats, they're now crying

00:20:14.920 that Omar's life is being jeopardized by the criticisms against her. Um, and that Trump and

00:20:20.820 other Republicans are inciting violence. In fact, all the Democrats, especially all the 2020 Democrats,

00:20:27.520 the ones running for president of 2020, basically in unison started using the exact same language,

00:20:34.440 uh, incitement to violence, right? They, they, they all, they all latched onto the same term,

00:20:41.180 almost as if it was coordinated. Who, who, who knew, uh, they all latched onto that same term at the

00:20:46.780 exact same time. And they just started saying it and repeating it over and over and over again.

00:20:50.860 Uh, Omar is, is the real victim, right? Criticizing her as incitement.

00:20:56.700 Now, Ilhan Omar put out a statement last night, um, hammering on this theme. She says,

00:21:04.020 since the president's tweet Friday evening, I have experienced an increase in direct threats on my

00:21:09.040 life. Many directly referencing or replying to the president's video. I thank the Capitol police,

00:21:14.280 the FBI, the house Sergeant of arms, and the speaker of the house for their attention to these threats,

00:21:17.900 violent crimes and other acts of hate by right-wing extremists and white nationalists are on the rise

00:21:23.120 in this country and around the world. We can no longer ignore that they are being encouraged by

00:21:27.280 the occupant of the highest office in the land. Uh, counties that hosted a 2016 Trump rally saw a

00:21:33.360 226% increase in hate crimes in the months following the rally, uh, and assaults, insults increase when

00:21:40.800 cities host Trump rallies. This is particularly concerning given the president's visit to my home state of

00:21:45.180 Minnesota on Monday. Um, violent rhetoric and all forms of hate speech have no place, blah, blah,

00:21:50.100 blah, blah, blah, blah. Uh, of course the, the term, the figure she's using there, 226% increase. Um,

00:21:59.840 you can't take any of that at face value. I hope that of course you would know that, but

00:22:04.480 yeah, violent crime from white nationalists is on the rise around the world. Yeah. Well, um, 0.86

00:22:10.840 does it come anywhere close to Islamic terrorism? No, not anywhere close to that. But of course,

00:22:16.620 Ilhan Omar, she's worried about the, she's worried about white nationalist violence around the world.

00:22:21.140 Uh, not so much about Islamic terrorism. She doesn't really talk much about that except to laugh about 1.00

00:22:25.860 it. And okay. Um, let's, let's clarify a few things here. Number one,

00:22:37.940 if, if we're inciting violence against Ilhan Omar by quoting her

00:22:45.340 and accusing her of being flippant and dismissive of nine 11, which she was,

00:22:51.580 then is she not inciting violence against the president when she claims that he's encouraging 0.72

00:22:58.200 violence? I mean, doesn't this go both ways? And in any case, criticism is not incitement.

00:23:08.020 Do you know what incitement is? Incitement is when you get up and actively and explicitly

00:23:12.820 encourage people to commit violence. That's incitement and that's illegal, but nobody is doing

00:23:19.820 that in, in reference to Omar, at least not any prominent person is doing that.

00:23:26.260 What conservatives are doing is we're just, we're criticizing her, which we have every right to do

00:23:30.440 and which we are completely, not just legally permitted, but we are morally justified in doing

00:23:37.460 so because what she said and the, and the kinds of things that she always says are abhorrent.

00:23:43.580 If criticism is incitement, then I've been the victim of incitement thousands of times.

00:23:48.240 And if criticism is incitement, then president Trump has been the victim of incitement hundreds

00:23:52.420 of millions of times. But it is interesting though, isn't it? How Ilhan Omar and AOC and the

00:24:01.420 other women in that contingent usually claim to be strong, independent women, but the moment you 0.65

00:24:07.060 criticize them, they fall into a lump on the floor and become these damsels in distress, don't they?

00:24:12.340 And something else is interesting that leftists have spent two years claiming that the president

00:24:19.000 of the United States is a secret Russian agent in league with Putin, uh, claiming that Brett Kavanaugh 0.99

00:24:24.420 is a, uh, is a serial gang rapist. They've, they've accused a bunch of, of random high school students 0.95

00:24:31.300 of being racist bigots because they looked at a native American man. Yet now after all of that,

00:24:37.520 they're worried about, they're worried about incitement. They're worried about irresponsible

00:24:42.600 rhetoric after all of that. Yeah. I don't, I don't buy that for a second, not for a second.

00:24:49.400 And when, when a liberal fired 70 rounds into a GOP baseball game a couple of years ago,

00:24:55.880 did any of these Democrats say anything about incitement and rhetoric? Did any of them?

00:25:04.400 All the ones that are so worried about it now, did they have anything to say about that? No,

00:25:12.040 not a single one because they are, um, conniving frauds in the Democrat party, almost without

00:25:19.480 exception. Okay. Uh, what else? Well, a lot of people have sent me this study that was done

00:25:27.680 allegedly proving that men with facial hair carry around more germs than dogs. Um, and

00:25:34.840 the only thing I'm going to say about this is, uh, if you see this study, it is vicious, dishonest,

00:25:42.320 anti-beard propaganda. And the scientists behind it are all a bunch of beardless baby faces who are

00:25:49.720 jealous that they can only grow patchy peach fuzz. Okay. All anti-beard rhetoric at the end of the day,

00:25:57.120 originates from envious beardless people, be they men or women. And that's all I'll say about that. 1.00

00:26:03.620 So you can just, you just toss that, toss that to the side. One other thing I wanted to mention

00:26:07.800 before getting into some emails, um, I don't mean to open up this can of worms again, but I also can't

00:26:14.140 resist. So a few days ago, uh, I said on Twitter, half joking that dogs are the most overrated

00:26:21.880 things in the universe. Um, second, perhaps only to the, to the, the original star Wars trilogy.

00:26:29.160 And now I do think that dogs and star Wars are overrated, but obviously I'm, I'm engaging in a

00:26:34.480 bit of, uh, in a bit of, uh, joking hyperbole at the same time. And, and, but, but from there,

00:26:41.320 as you might expect, um, the dog people started coming and, and, uh, they, uh, claiming that,

00:26:48.020 you know, dogs are wonderful. They're the most loving creatures in the world and so much more

00:26:52.120 loving than people and so on. And I simply and calmly explained that dogs are, you know,

00:26:58.220 dogs are fine, but actually dogs aren't really capable of love in the human sense. Um,

00:27:05.040 because they don't have that same awareness of themselves. They don't have the same, uh,

00:27:10.540 ability to choose, you know, they're largely instinctive animals. Um, and love requires an

00:27:18.860 awareness of the self. It also requires an ability to choose, uh, which, so animals just don't have

00:27:24.060 that. And, and their love for you is based mostly on the fact that you feed them. Um, if they were

00:27:28.940 starving and you were incapacitated or dead, they would just eat you. So, and that's fine, right?

00:27:34.700 They're, they're dogs. It's okay. Dogs are dogs. No big deal. Um, but

00:27:40.340 if you really think that dogs are more capable of love than humans, I think that says a lot more

00:27:47.900 about you than it does about dogs or other people. It just means that you're a bit of a sociopath. 0.99

00:27:55.940 Um, if you actually have people in your life who you really love, like children, spouse,

00:28:02.660 you would never equate a dog's affection for its caretakers to human love. And that's all I said,

00:28:09.480 right. A basic point, an obvious point, no big deal. Well, as expected, uh, since then,

00:28:14.140 I've gotten some very angry messages from dog lovers, including this one, which I just,

00:28:20.060 I have to read because it's so over the top. Uh, I, no, remember again, keep in mind why this

00:28:26.980 message was sent because I just, I, I just said that about dogs, you know, dogs are fine, but

00:28:31.500 they're, they're not people. That was basically my point. Okay. Um, I never advocated that we go and

00:28:36.860 kill all the dogs in the world or whatever. I never said that, but here's the, a message from

00:28:41.120 someone says you hating dogs so much makes you a worthless quote unquote human being. Go F yourself 0.99

00:28:50.720 because God knows that's the only way you get any, unless you're white, unless you get your poor wife 1.00

00:28:55.260 drunk. I feel especially sorry for your kids who have a POS like you as a father, the fact that you 0.99

00:29:01.060 reproduced and the fact that you exist is sickening. Um, now, again, that was because I said that dogs 0.98

00:29:09.560 are overrated. The person who sent that message, by the way, is a middle-aged woman. Um, looks to be 0.99

00:29:16.520 just kind of like a normal soccer mom based on her picture. And I'm sure that if you bumped into this

00:29:21.340 person on the street, you'd think that this was just a normal person, right? But behind the scenes,

00:29:27.660 she's sending delusional, sexually charged screeds to people on Twitter who don't like dogs enough. 0.99

00:29:33.720 And that's one thing I find interesting about what I do for a living, because I get a lot of emails and

00:29:38.620 messages every single day. And I think that they really, you know, they really give you an insight

00:29:43.360 into what people are really like more so than interacting with people in the real world, you

00:29:49.440 know, bumping into a stranger and exchanging pleasantries with them. That doesn't really give

00:29:53.420 you any sense of what a person's actually like, because, because even, even a, even a serial

00:29:57.560 killer could, you know, is capable of making small talk on an elevator if he doesn't decide to kill

00:30:02.180 you instead. Um, but it's on the internet that people feel free to be themselves, which is why I 0.64

00:30:09.800 don't like this delineation sometimes between, well, you know, that's, that's just how people are on the

00:30:13.880 internet. That's not how they are in real life. Well, no, but those are real people on the internet,

00:30:18.040 right? These are actual human beings who are expressing their points of view on the internet.

00:30:23.640 It's just, the internet is just a mode of communication. That's all. So no, I mean,

00:30:28.360 if you discover that a sizable portion of the people you encounter online are just absolute 1.00

00:30:35.360 maniacs and scumbags, unfortunately that means that there just are a lot of maniacs and scumbags in 0.99

00:30:42.140 the world because almost everybody is online. Um, and this is where people let their true color 1.00

00:30:47.860 shine because they feel like they have the, the ability to do that, um, without shame or without

00:30:53.860 fear of reprisal or whatever. So that's the first thing. The other point is that, uh, while this woman

00:31:00.280 is obviously over the top, she is representative of a group and not a very small group either. Um,

00:31:06.160 who are just, I mean, I, I don't, I don't know what else you could call them besides dog worshipers. 0.99

00:31:14.260 I mean, they really, there are, it seems like there are a lot of people in this country who

00:31:18.560 really do worship dogs. They actually think that dogs are like gods basically. And I don't even think

00:31:25.120 that that's hyperbole. I think that that's really the case. Uh, now I have no problem with people who

00:31:30.900 love pets and love animals in general. I think that's great. I have a dog myself. I like

00:31:36.120 my dog. Uh, but he's just a dog. As I said, my feelings towards him do not even get close to the

00:31:43.580 ballpark of my feelings for my kids. Like they're not even in the ballpark next door. They're like

00:31:50.720 on a ballpark on another planet somewhere. Just not even in the, just not anywhere in the vicinity.

00:31:56.120 Right. Um, as in if we were all starving to death and we had no other food, I would in a second kill

00:32:02.880 my dog and feed them to my kids. Right. I wouldn't even have to think about it. That's just, 0.99

00:32:05.780 that's no problem. Uh, that's where he ranks in the hierarchy, but it's fine. I like having

00:32:10.660 him around and he's a dog and it's fine, but there are people. And this woman is a member

00:32:15.720 of this group, obviously who really do love animals more than they love people who love

00:32:21.980 their pets even more than they love their own children. And that's the really disturbing

00:32:26.180 thing. Um, that people at a minimum, they consider their pets to be on an equal playing field

00:32:34.360 with their own, with their human children. And these kinds of people exist. And I believe

00:32:39.760 based on my observations that it is a growing group and it's a problem because it's sort of

00:32:44.700 a sign of a dying civilization. When everyone starts to worship animals, like we're, we're

00:32:48.920 reverting back to paganism. Um, all I want to say to this group, if you're in this group

00:32:55.700 of people, all I want to say to you is this, uh, and I'm not talking again, I'm not talking

00:33:00.720 about people who love their pets. That's fine. If you love your pets more than you love

00:33:05.320 people, uh, and even more or equal to how you love your children. Well, so what I would

00:33:12.140 say is it's not okay, uh, to be how you are. Um, it's, it's not okay to like animals more

00:33:22.300 than people. It really isn't. That's actually a very demented and disturbed point of view.

00:33:26.640 Um, and it stems entirely, and this is why it's so such a problem. It stems entirely

00:33:33.360 from your selfishness. So the reason you love animals more than people is because your relationship

00:33:39.400 with your dog is all about you, right? Uh, and that's what people like about dogs. Your

00:33:44.540 dog is obsessed with you, follows you around, fawns all over you, literally slobbering all

00:33:48.860 over you, thinks of nothing but you while you're out of the house. He just wants you to come

00:33:52.840 back. And when you're back, he's so excited. Um, and that's why people like dogs, but human

00:33:58.680 beings aren't like that, right? People aren't going to live every second of every day thinking

00:34:03.440 only of you pining after you wanting to be with you. Um, I don't know. I mean, personally,

00:34:09.080 I wouldn't want that kind of attachment from another human being. It's just, it's a, it's

00:34:12.620 a little too much. Like I need a little bit of space. Um, but people have their own internal

00:34:17.680 life and their own existence, uh, that is not all about you, their own identity. And

00:34:24.520 I think for the people who like dogs more than people, that's why you don't like people

00:34:29.000 as much because you've yet to meet a person who will structure their entire existence around

00:34:35.440 you. And you don't like that because you are a complete egomaniac. So much of an egomaniac 0.90

00:34:44.580 that as far as you're concerned, the hierarchy of beings is it's like you at number one and

00:34:49.060 then dogs and then all other people. That's a problem. That's all I'm saying. All right.

00:34:57.600 Um, let's go to emails, mattwallshowatgmail.com, mattwallshowatgmail.com. All right. Let's see

00:35:05.100 here. Um, maybe I'll save that one for tomorrow. Okay. No, I won't. I'll read this. All right.

00:35:13.760 So over the last, uh, week or so, we've been having this debate on the show about, uh, whether

00:35:22.520 or not we should use the Bible when debating with unbelievers, atheists, secular people about

00:35:29.240 issues that are not explicitly theological. And one example we've been using is abortion.

00:35:33.700 Like if you're debating, if you're trying to persuade, uh, you know, a non-Christian person 1.00

00:35:38.240 about the evils of abortion, do you throw the Bible at them or do you use science, logic,

00:35:42.920 reason, and those sorts of things. And I have been arguing that, uh, no, you don't throw

00:35:47.800 the Bible. You use science, logic, and reason. Well, I gave to make my point. I gave as an

00:35:54.180 example, uh, because it just so happened that a couple of weeks ago, I was speaking at Boston

00:35:58.460 university and a woman stood up during the Q and a and said that, um, that in fact, she had

00:36:06.260 been convinced persuaded over to the pro-life side by the arguments presented by me and,

00:36:12.360 and, and Ben Shapiro and other people, the daily wire and other conservatives. So here's an example.

00:36:17.920 And the reason I brought her up is because, uh, the, the, the people on the Bible thumping side 1.00

00:36:24.600 of it, what they like to claim is that, well, you're never going to persuade someone with logic

00:36:29.540 and science. It's never going to happen. You need to just, you need to just quote the Bible

00:36:34.480 to them and let that work in their heart. And that's the only way it's the only thing that can

00:36:37.880 work. You're never going to persuade someone just with, just with arguments. Well, I said,

00:36:43.260 no, actually you can. Um, it happens all the time. Actually, it's very possible to do. Here's one

00:36:48.880 example. And that woman happened to write an email, um, sort of giving more context, uh, about her own

00:36:56.820 personal journey. And so I thought it'd be really interesting to read this email, especially for

00:37:00.820 people who say that this is not possible, that you can't do this. Well, you can do it. And let me

00:37:05.200 read the email to you. She says, uh, I saw your tweet yesterday where you mentioned when I stood up

00:37:10.200 and spoke at your BU speech and I've been listening and reading the debates you've been having about

00:37:14.780 how to go about discussing abortion with people and would like to give you my two cents. Like I said

00:37:18.620 that night earlier in my life, the nineties, I was a lefty and social worker specifically for the

00:37:23.000 parenting and pregnant teen programs that popped up after Clinton's welfare reform went through.

00:37:28.040 Um, I watched teenage girls get abortions depending on who the father was. I also had an 18 year old

00:37:32.860 with two kids who got an abortion every other time. Uh, after really working for the government,

00:37:38.480 child social services for five years, nine 11, and my older brothers having children all happening

00:37:42.920 around the same time, like a perfect storm, my views completely changed. And now I am very much a

00:37:47.880 libertarian conservative and I see how dumb I was and see myself and all of these college kids who 0.84

00:37:53.120 are, who get up at your Q and A's. It's embarrassing, but being a libertarian, I was still pro-choice. 0.96

00:37:58.480 A government shouldn't be involved, right? Anyway, I remember the first time in the last couple of

00:38:03.080 years that I started to actually think about my position. The first thing that ever gave me pause,

00:38:07.560 I was technically pro-choice, but never felt it would be my choice. You know, that whole argument

00:38:12.220 in my life, no one ever gave logical arguments from the other side until Trump was elected.

00:38:17.220 No one on the right talked about this stuff out loud or confidently, especially during the previous

00:38:21.800 eight years and during the 2016 election. And after I got turned on to the daily wire and Steven

00:38:26.660 Crowder, the first thing that ever got me to really think about it was when one of you said,

00:38:31.020 so in slave days, so in slave days, would you have just said, I would never own a slave,

00:38:36.380 but I wouldn't tell other people not to. That's when I told, uh, that's when I would say my ears

00:38:41.160 perked up for the first time. And I was open to listening. The next thing that hit me was when one of

00:38:46.400 you said, if it's just a clump of cells, if it's really not a baby and there's really nothing wrong

00:38:51.100 with it, why is it always talked about being such a difficult decision? Why are women agonizing and 1.00

00:38:55.940 feeling ashamed? I'd always found the whole rape and incest exception thing inconsistent.

00:39:00.420 It's either murdering a baby or it's not. My thing was that I knew at a certain point it was not okay,

00:39:06.480 but wasn't sure that wasn't sure what that point was and didn't give it much thought.

00:39:11.160 Then I saw that chart that Steven Crowder uses, and I think Ben uses it too. And you see at each

00:39:16.660 point what it looks like. And it's, it's hard to argue at any point that it doesn't at least look

00:39:20.880 like a baby, even the tiniest of embryos under a microscope. And I heard one, one of you say,

00:39:25.860 does the vaginal canal have some magic power that instills life as a baby passes through it?

00:39:30.660 But I was still wavering until DNA and fingerprints. One of you said that they have their own unique DNA

00:39:36.860 almost immediately. The last argument that hung on is always, it's part of the woman's body, etc.

00:39:42.160 But to know that it has its own unique DNA and soon after its fingerprints means it's a separate

00:39:47.260 entity unto itself. It is separate from the mother, even though it's connected. So I knew

00:39:52.180 immediately how I felt and I turned. My husband and I would say that, say to each other quietly,

00:39:57.360 that we knew we had, we had changed how we felt since becoming aware of the Daily Wire and Steven

00:40:01.680 Crowder. But that's how we said it. Like when we were voting, we knew we were voting for Trump,

00:40:06.520 but we never said the words out loud. But not until the night at BU. I did say it out loud and

00:40:11.900 I can tell you exactly why. There were two things you said. Number one, the whole relive your life

00:40:16.300 backwards thing from today, reverse it back 10 years, 20 years to your birth, and then about 60

00:40:20.840 seconds before your birth. Was that not still you? She's quoting me there, paraphrasing. Number two,

00:40:26.660 everything is alive, dead or inanimate. It's another argument I made. I realized that night plants are

00:40:32.780 alive and they don't have a heartbeat. Never thought about that. And I still have a little

00:40:36.740 trouble. Like the planet, is that alive? Is the sun alive? Is rain alive? On the way home, I used my

00:40:41.360 husband. I asked my husband, like my kidney inside my body, is that alive? And he said, yes. And I said,

00:40:46.900 I'm not sure about that. What about, what about my kidney by itself on a table outside my body? And he

00:40:51.340 said, that's dead flesh. That made sense. But the main point of my email, I was raised by a non-practicing

00:40:56.940 Catholic mother and a rabid anti-religious atheist father who, both good people, she says in

00:41:03.040 parentheses, who took me under his wing and was always in my ear. I turned out for most of my life

00:41:09.280 a hardcore atheist. Even though I went through the sacraments, I did so to prove a point that I was

00:41:13.620 beating the system because I didn't believe and I could get married in a church. I'd always thought

00:41:17.580 to believe in religion was weak and shows you are not intelligent until I was married with a child who

00:41:22.140 we are raising in the Catholic church due to my husband. And I am seeing that spark I missed out

00:41:27.120 on, uh, the sense of purpose and being. I don't know if the whole God thing is true, but there is

00:41:31.940 something I definitely missed out on feeling about myself and not believing it as a child, if that

00:41:36.940 makes sense. And I wanted to back up your argument. I heard you make on your podcast after you mentioned

00:41:41.260 me standing up, uh, the other night, you said, if you can get people to believe you about something

00:41:45.760 like this logically, they may then wonder if you're right about other things too. And that's what's

00:41:50.240 happening to me now. Listening to all of you crazy smart people being right about all these things

00:41:55.200 and making complete sense. I am much more open to religion than ever before. And the more I read

00:41:59.560 Ben's new book and listening to you and hearing so many explanations to questions I always had when

00:42:04.760 thinking, how can some smart people believe this? So yes, I was converted on abortion by science.

00:42:10.500 And now realizing you guys are so smart, my ears have perked up in just the same way about religion.

00:42:15.640 And who knows where that goes? Thank you. Uh, and then she doesn't want me to give her name. 0.97

00:42:20.540 Okay. So I wanted to read that whole thing because I think that that's, um,

00:42:24.600 first of all, I mean, it proves a point. And this isn't a point about me, like, Oh, look at this one.

00:42:29.020 You know, she, she talked a lot more about other conservatives, Steven Crowder and Ben Shapiro.

00:42:32.860 So it's not just like arguments that I presented, but, um, so that's not the point. The point is two

00:42:38.940 things here. Number one, it is possible. Okay. And she's not the only one who has been convinced,

00:42:47.800 persuaded, um, by logical and scientific arguments, not just on abortion, but on so many other issues

00:42:53.120 and not just by me or Ben Shapiro, Steven Crowder, but by, by anybody. Right. Um, it is possible.

00:43:00.500 So this is for all the emails I've gotten saying, it's not possible. You can't do it. Okay. Well,

00:43:05.240 what about this woman? Is she, you think she's the one exception in the whole universe? Or do you

00:43:10.180 think maybe you're wrong? Maybe it is possible. And, uh, the second point here is, I think what

00:43:18.960 you see in this email, why I wanted to read it is it's a testament to this person who sent the email

00:43:24.320 that this is someone who is, um, has intellectual integrity, right? Uh, who, who's willing to admit

00:43:34.900 that they might be wrong. And that's all you really need. Like if you're talking to some, if

00:43:40.880 you're, if you're arguing with someone who doesn't have intellectual integrity, who's not intellectually

00:43:44.460 curious, um, who doesn't have, um, any sort of moral fortitude or courage. Well, in, in that moment,

00:43:53.960 there's probably nothing you could say to persuade them. You could, you could probably plant some seeds

00:43:58.500 in their mind that may sprout later on, but in that moment, there's nothing you can do because they

00:44:04.340 have to be willing to receive. But if you're talking to somebody who is it, even if they disagree

00:44:11.600 with you vehemently, but if they have intellectual integrity and they're at least willing to listen

00:44:18.160 and they're open to hearing the other side, if you're talking to someone like that, well,

00:44:25.000 you could change their whole way of thinking in 20 minutes, you could theoretically. Um,

00:44:31.540 and that's why I think it's so important. And you're never really going to know in the moment,

00:44:38.980 whether you're talking to someone with intellectual integrity or not. So you're not really going to

00:44:43.340 know that, but if you are, and you've got someone who's, who's open-minded and they're listening to

00:44:48.980 you, the last thing you want to do is say something that's going to cause them to close their mind off

00:44:56.140 to you. Because you just had this amazing opportunity to convince someone of something.

00:45:03.480 And if you, if you go the wrong route, they're going to close it off and you're going to miss

00:45:10.180 that opportunity. And I think, as I've been saying, and as I've been arguing, um, if you're,

00:45:18.060 if you have someone like this, who you're talking to, if you go the Bible thumping route,

00:45:22.320 you lost the opportunity. They're going to close you out because they've heard all that stuff before.

00:45:27.620 They don't want to be preached at. There's, there's a lot of baggage there. They don't,

00:45:31.340 everything. I'm not going to repeat it all, but they, they don't agree with the premise

00:45:34.740 and all of that. All you've succeeded is they've closed you off. They're walking away. You failed.

00:45:40.320 You just fail. If you can keep that Avenue open, just keep the door open,

00:45:46.020 which I think requires a little bit of, um, you know, prudence and, and, and, and trying to meet

00:45:53.780 them on their level. If you can do that, then, um, then anything is possible. So I think,

00:45:58.240 I think that's great. I really enjoyed that email. And, um, again, the credit goes not to

00:46:05.240 me or Ben Shapiro or Steven Crowder or anyone else who presented an argument to her, because

00:46:08.960 the arguments we're making are just super obvious. Most of the people listening, you all

00:46:13.440 could make those arguments yourselves. Um, it's just that she grew up in an environment where she

00:46:18.260 had never been exposed to that way of thinking. And if you're not exposed to it, then, you know,

00:46:22.400 then you need to be exposed to it first before you can start thinking that way. So the credit

00:46:27.480 goes to her for being open to that and, and at least willing to listen, which most people

00:46:32.420 unfortunately are not. All right, let's see. Um, this is from Michael says, dear Matt, I attend

00:46:39.020 a Baptist church and I'm frequently treated to sermons on the evils of alcohol. Uh, however,

00:46:44.860 in my personal studies, every time the Bible addresses consumption of alcohol, it specifically

00:46:48.880 refers to wine. When I asked my pastor about this, he told me that wine is just the biblical

00:46:53.800 shorthand for all alcohol beverages. I am curious if this is the case or if wine is specifically

00:46:59.220 mentioned due to its sacramental nature. Um, would love to get the Catholic perspective as well as

00:47:04.240 your personal convictions on the subject. Uh, I think I've, we've talked about the alcohol thing

00:47:08.980 before on the show. I'm not sure. So I don't want to repeat myself too much anymore than I already

00:47:13.520 have. But, uh, yeah, the idea that the Bible condemns alcohol outright is theologically absurd.

00:47:23.640 That's, that is just a theological invention. Uh, I'm afraid to say on the part of your pastor

00:47:28.720 and any other pastor who gets up there and says all, all, all alcohol is evil. What they're doing

00:47:34.580 is that's a personal belief that they have, which is fine. You know, you're, you're entitled to that

00:47:38.840 personal belief and it's perfectly fine. It's perfectly fine to have that personal belief

00:47:42.520 and that personal conviction that alcohol is, you know, that you don't want to drink alcohol.

00:47:47.140 Great. I have no problem with that. But when you try to take that personal conviction and impose it

00:47:53.140 onto the text to try to make it into more than just your personal conviction, to try to turn it into

00:47:59.100 God's conviction, um, then I have a problem with that. And not because it, no matter what the subject

00:48:05.080 is, I don't care if it's alcohol or anything else. I have a problem with doing that. And I think it's

00:48:09.200 wrong. And honestly, it's, it's dishonest because there's just no, I'm sorry. Jesus Christ's first

00:48:18.320 miracle recorded in the gospel. As far as we know, his first miracle on earth was providing wine for

00:48:27.040 a wedding. And if you try to tell me that it was, it was, uh, it was non-alcoholic wine that he was

00:48:33.740 providing to a wedding. I mean, that is just so ridiculous. There's no textual reason for that at 0.97

00:48:39.680 all. You're not getting that from the text. You're getting it from your own head. By the way, I'm not

00:48:43.340 yelling at you, Michael, because you're asking the question. I'm just yelling at everyone who makes

00:48:46.800 this claim, which isn't you. It's completely ridiculous. In fact, it even says that the guests 0.99

00:48:54.740 at the, at the, at the party, at the, at the wedding were shocked that it was, it was, this was the

00:48:59.820 finest wine. It was the best wine. And they were shocked that, that it had been saved for, for the

00:49:04.320 end. Okay. Do you think that, that non-alcoholic wine, that grape juice is, is the finest wine,

00:49:11.980 the best wine? No. And why is it that typically, and this is a practice even still today, why is it

00:49:19.540 that the, that the usually the, the lower quality alcohol is provided at the end? Well, because by then

00:49:27.120 people have been drinking and they're feeling good, they're feeling loose and they're going to

00:49:30.580 be less discerning about the alcohol you give them. It's the same thing. I have a Christmas party

00:49:34.780 every year at my house, my wife and I do. And, uh, we stock the fridge with beer and we've got the

00:49:39.960 good expensive beer, but we don't, I don't want to pay to stock the entire fridge with good expensive

00:49:43.900 beer. So get, got some good expensive craft beer. And then we also get like some yingling or

00:49:48.360 Coors Light or something. At the end of the night, all that's left is the Coors or the yingling.

00:49:51.900 And then people start drinking that because now they're, they're a little bit less discerning

00:49:55.720 about it. So, okay. That is clearly means that this is alcoholic wine. We're talking about

00:50:01.520 at a party. Okay. You're not going to have, it's not a big emergency. If you run out of grape juice

00:50:07.120 at a wedding, if you run out of wine, that's a problem, right? Because it's, it's hard to have

00:50:12.000 a fun party without any alcohol. So Jesus Christ's first miracle on earth is to provide alcohol to a

00:50:19.140 party. And yet these people think that they can make some sort of argument that the Bible condemns

00:50:23.960 alcohol outright. It's again, it's fine. If you don't like it, just stop, pretend, stop trying

00:50:31.800 to put that on the text. Just admit that this is your personal opinion and that's fine.

00:50:39.680 Uh, it's just a noise, man. All right, let's do one more here. Um,

00:50:45.320 Oh, speaking of alcohol, here we go. This is, uh, from Joe says, brother, Matt, I believe you're

00:50:52.280 mostly a bourbon man, but I'm curious if you fancy any fancy, any rise or scotches or other whiskeys,

00:50:56.980 please rank your top five whiskeys. Have a blessed Holy week. Uh, I could drink a rye or scotch, but

00:51:02.460 I'm not, you know, I, I, I basically stick with bourbons myself. Although if I'm at someone's house

00:51:07.980 and they, you know, crack open a bottle of scotch, believe me, I'll have some. So my top five,

00:51:12.600 I won't rank them in order. Uh, so this is not an order, but these are my go-tos would be four

00:51:16.900 roses, Woodford, um, knob Creek Blanton's, and I guess makers 46 would be my probably four, four

00:51:25.100 roses is, uh, it's not the highest quality of all bourbons by any means, but, um, it's just a really

00:51:31.640 good go-to relatively inexpensive and, uh, it's great stuff. All right. We will leave it there on that

00:51:40.940 a wonderful note. Thanks for watching everybody. Thanks for listening. Godspeed.

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The Matt Walsh Show - April 15, 2019

Ep. 239 - Words Are Violence

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