The Matt Walsh Show - April 22, 2019


Ep. 244 - We're Christians, Not 'Easter Worshippers'


Episode Stats

Length

46 minutes

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166.00867

Word Count

7,737

Sentence Count

473

Misogynist Sentences

10

Hate Speech Sentences

21


Summary

This week on The Matt Walsh Show, we talk about the horrific attacks against Christians in Sri Lanka, and why some prominent Democrats refuse to acknowledge that Christians are the ones who were attacked yesterday. Plus, I m smeared by a British publication for comments I made about gay adoption.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Today on the Matt Walsh Show, horrific terror attacks against Christians in Sri Lanka.
00:00:03.800 We'll talk about the persecution of Christians, which is happening on a large scale across the world.
00:00:09.800 And we'll try to figure out why certain prominent Democrats are going out of their way
00:00:14.760 to avoid acknowledging that Christians are the ones who were attacked yesterday.
00:00:20.120 And I have been smeared by a British publication for comments that I made about gay adoption.
00:00:26.600 So I want to take a look at this.
00:00:27.520 We'll look at sort of the anatomy of a smear and how it works.
00:00:30.780 So I think this is a great example of one.
00:00:32.680 And it's a pretty outrageous example as well.
00:00:35.000 So we'll talk about that also today on the Matt Walsh Show.
00:00:41.840 Well, happy Easter, everybody.
00:00:43.380 I hope you had a good one.
00:00:45.900 And I'll say that my Easter was very good.
00:00:47.880 Great day overall.
00:00:49.300 Kind of ruined, though, I got to be honest, at the very end,
00:00:51.680 because I was waiting all day for my kids to go to bed
00:00:54.580 so that I could go and raid their Easter baskets and take, you know, whatever candy I wanted,
00:00:59.160 such as my tradition.
00:01:01.080 But when they finally went to bed and I, you know, I went to go carry out the the the operation,
00:01:06.480 I discovered that they'd eaten all the good jelly beans,
00:01:09.840 like all the red and orange ones were gone.
00:01:11.740 I mean, they somehow picked through all of them, left me only the purple and green ones.
00:01:15.680 And it was pretty outrageous.
00:01:17.000 I mean, everything I do for this family and here I am left with purple and green jelly beans.
00:01:22.900 And so there's a new a new rule that I'm stating in this household,
00:01:25.840 which is you will save the good jelly beans for dead.
00:01:28.980 OK, that's just that's just the way it's going to be.
00:01:31.160 Now, I know you might say, well, you know,
00:01:33.720 why don't you just go out and buy your own bag of jelly beans?
00:01:35.920 You can buy as much jelly beans as you want.
00:01:37.660 Well, and sometimes it does seem like we forget that we can do that as adults.
00:01:42.260 Like it's it's you get really excited about stealing your kids Halloween candy,
00:01:46.040 going through their bag when they're when they're asleep and, you know,
00:01:48.840 trying to find the little small Snicker bars and stuff.
00:01:51.020 And it's almost like you forget that, well, you could just go to the grocery store
00:01:54.480 and buy all the Snicker bars you want.
00:01:56.300 You're a grown up.
00:01:57.120 That's you can do that now.
00:01:59.440 But what you don't understand is that unless you're a parent, it's hard to understand this.
00:02:03.220 But stealing stolen candy from your kids tastes so much better than regular candy.
00:02:09.980 There's something about the act of stealing it that makes it just sweeter.
00:02:14.860 It's like a flavor enhancement.
00:02:16.320 I can't really explain it, but that's just how it is.
00:02:19.200 So now, unfortunately, no flavor enhancement can make purple jelly beans OK.
00:02:23.520 And so nothing will ever balance out this injustice that I have suffered.
00:02:29.580 But I won't harp on that too much.
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00:04:39.440 All right, tragedy in Sri Lanka on Easter as 290 people have been murdered
00:04:45.940 in a series of seven suicide bombing blasts,
00:04:49.080 killing Christians at a number of churches.
00:04:51.780 There were also a blast at other places, including a hotel.
00:04:55.840 Government officials in the country have already pointed to an Islamic terror group
00:05:00.080 called National Thawik Jayomath.
00:05:04.020 I'm probably mispronouncing that,
00:05:05.760 but that's an Islamic terror group in the country that they're aware of
00:05:10.900 and a bit on their radar screen.
00:05:13.620 And so that's who they're pointing to in the early stages here.
00:05:16.380 And this is the reality for Christians, okay, for many Christians outside of the U.S.
00:05:22.780 And it's easy for us to get complacent in this country to forget
00:05:25.900 that our Christian brothers and sisters have to worry about these kinds of things
00:05:32.120 when they head out the door for church on Sunday, especially on a day like Easter.
00:05:37.300 You know, we don't have to really worry about this.
00:05:39.980 I mean, there have been attacks in this country as well, including just last year.
00:05:46.860 But generally speaking, it's not the same as it is in other parts of the world,
00:05:51.320 especially, as I said, on these high holy days.
00:05:55.760 You think about it was just two years ago on Palm Sunday in Egypt.
00:06:01.260 Well over 100 Christians were killed in suicide bombings at churches.
00:06:04.860 And now, of course, it's happening on Easter.
00:06:08.300 What I want to emphasize here, first of all, is that while this is an enormous tragedy,
00:06:13.720 it is not a unique occurrence, okay?
00:06:17.340 Attacks on Christians, especially by Islamists,
00:06:21.620 have been an utterly routine thing for a very long time.
00:06:24.320 The group Open Doors has some statistics on its website.
00:06:29.100 It says, each month, okay, these are statistics, monthly statistics.
00:06:36.780 Each month on average, 345 Christians are killed for their faith.
00:06:42.040 105 churches or other Christian buildings are burned or attacked.
00:06:46.280 Over 200 Christians are arrested and detained without trial.
00:06:49.520 That's each month, okay?
00:06:51.940 So this, as I said, is a reality of life for many Christians worldwide.
00:06:55.580 And it's important for us to recognize that.
00:07:02.340 Christians are, by far, certainly among the most persecuted group in the entire world.
00:07:12.300 And so think about even, this should be something that is a motivation to us,
00:07:19.560 first of all, as Christians in this country,
00:07:21.560 not just to pray for our persecuted brothers and sisters,
00:07:25.580 which we should be doing,
00:07:27.180 and not just to lend our help and our resources to them,
00:07:31.820 which we should also be doing.
00:07:33.980 So we need to be doing two of those things, those two things.
00:07:36.700 But the third thing that we can do
00:07:38.360 in response to the persecution suffered by Christians overseas
00:07:42.460 is to stop being such lazy cowards.
00:07:46.860 You know, that's another thing we could do.
00:07:48.560 So, I mean, think about how much of an effort it is for us
00:07:52.880 to just get ourselves to get up and go to church on a Sunday, you know?
00:07:58.280 And we're looking for a million excuses.
00:08:00.440 And, you know, you'd rather stay home, sleep in, watch TV, whatever.
00:08:04.620 Meanwhile, for us, going to church, it's, you know, it's a 10-minute drive.
00:08:08.120 You go in, it's air conditioning.
00:08:10.420 Maybe afterwards, they have some, you know, food and drink in the church basement.
00:08:15.220 Or even, there might even be food and drink during church,
00:08:18.380 depending on which church you're going to these days.
00:08:21.360 And so it's just, it's all, it's a perfectly wonderful, comfortable experience.
00:08:26.440 No risk at all.
00:08:28.680 It takes, you know, an hour of your time.
00:08:31.540 You know, maybe a little bit more than that.
00:08:33.820 But still, somehow, it's too much for a lot of us.
00:08:37.080 We don't want to put that kind of effort into our faith
00:08:40.000 and into communing together as Christians.
00:08:42.520 Well, think about overseas.
00:08:45.680 You know, not only are they going often to far less comfortable churches
00:08:48.980 that are a lot further away.
00:08:51.320 And a lot of these countries, places like Sri Lanka, okay?
00:08:53.880 They're not going to have 10 churches on every block
00:08:56.600 like we do in some places in America.
00:08:59.740 So you're going a lot further.
00:09:01.040 Churches are going to be a lot less comfortable.
00:09:02.420 And most pressingly of all,
00:09:05.300 you know that you live in a hostile environment
00:09:09.500 where there are radical Muslim militants all around.
00:09:13.900 And it's just a matter of time before your church is targeted.
00:09:17.800 And yet they still go.
00:09:20.360 Even in spite of that.
00:09:22.640 While we just can't be bothered.
00:09:25.360 So I think that's something that we should be doing as Christians.
00:09:30.220 That's one way that we should be motivated.
00:09:32.060 To actually care about our faith.
00:09:33.820 Try to live according to it.
00:09:35.340 Take part in it.
00:09:37.400 And expend maybe just a little bit of effort in being Christian.
00:09:41.280 That's one thing I take from it.
00:09:46.000 Another thing.
00:09:46.660 The fact that Christians are targeted so often
00:09:52.640 and on such a wide scale,
00:09:55.660 that's what makes it all the more important
00:09:58.380 to actually acknowledge what's happening
00:10:01.480 and who the victims are.
00:10:03.760 And that is why it's a problem
00:10:05.560 when prominent and influential people refuse to do that.
00:10:09.520 Okay, so yesterday, shortly after the news broke of the attacks,
00:10:12.540 several prominent Democrats released their
00:10:15.060 canned statements of remorse.
00:10:18.820 But they all used a certain phrase
00:10:21.120 that has since gotten a lot of attention.
00:10:23.300 Let me pull up the...
00:10:25.800 So this is Barack Obama.
00:10:28.760 This is what he tweeted yesterday.
00:10:30.100 He said,
00:10:30.380 The attacks on tourists and Easter worshipers in Sri Lanka
00:10:33.800 are an attack on humanity.
00:10:36.500 On a day devoted to love, redemption, and renewal,
00:10:39.380 we pray for the victims and stand with the people of Sri Lanka.
00:10:43.520 Here's Hillary Clinton.
00:10:45.060 On this holy weekend for many faiths,
00:10:47.080 we must stand united against hatred and violence.
00:10:49.840 I'm praying for everyone affected by today's horrific attacks
00:10:52.500 on Easter worshipers and travelers in Sri Lanka.
00:10:56.360 Julian Castro.
00:10:57.780 On a day of redemption and hope,
00:10:59.700 the evil of these attacks on Easter worshipers
00:11:02.020 and tourists in Sri Lanka is deeply saddening.
00:11:04.900 My prayers today are with the dead and injured
00:11:06.760 and their families.
00:11:08.020 May we find grace.
00:11:09.280 And there were several other tweets like that from Democrats.
00:11:15.380 Easter worshipers.
00:11:18.100 The word Christian doesn't appear in any of these statements.
00:11:23.560 They are Easter worshipers.
00:11:25.640 Now, if just one of them had used that odd phrase,
00:11:31.420 not a phrase that you hear often at all.
00:11:33.800 I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that before.
00:11:36.100 Easter worshipers.
00:11:38.200 But if just one of them had used that phrase,
00:11:40.220 then I would say,
00:11:40.820 okay, well, it's a weird choice of words.
00:11:42.920 Not much else going on there.
00:11:44.380 The fact that Obama and Clinton and Castro
00:11:46.960 and several other Democrats
00:11:49.240 all seized on this one phrase
00:11:51.620 at roughly the same time
00:11:53.440 and phrased it basically the same way,
00:11:56.040 that tells me that this is calculated.
00:11:59.200 Now, this has drawn some comparisons
00:12:02.220 to Ilhan Omar's tweet about Notre Dame,
00:12:05.740 the Notre Dame Cathedral fire.
00:12:07.480 If you'll remember last week,
00:12:08.960 when that happened,
00:12:11.120 she sent out a tweet talking about
00:12:12.840 the art and architecture,
00:12:14.720 but didn't specifically call it a church
00:12:16.620 or discuss its spiritual significance.
00:12:20.060 And she was getting a lot of criticism for that.
00:12:22.360 Now, I defended Omar on that
00:12:23.840 because it was a perfectly normal and fine tweet.
00:12:26.260 And as a Muslim,
00:12:27.080 I don't really expect her to extol
00:12:28.820 the spiritual virtues of a church
00:12:31.120 because she's a Muslim
00:12:32.680 and it doesn't have any spiritual significance to her.
00:12:36.520 So I thought that criticism was stupid.
00:12:39.360 This is different though.
00:12:40.880 Okay, because this seems very much like
00:12:42.820 a decision was made to avoid using the word Christian
00:12:45.800 and instead to adopt a kind of bizarre euphemism.
00:12:48.940 Now, why do that?
00:12:50.000 Well, because Christians are not an approved victim group.
00:12:54.200 These people, Obama, Clinton, Castro, et cetera,
00:12:57.160 they don't want us to immediately associate Christian
00:13:01.200 with victim.
00:13:03.120 They want, if anything, the opposite sort of association.
00:13:06.060 They want us to associate Christians
00:13:07.480 with terrorists and bullies.
00:13:09.820 But if Christians are victims,
00:13:11.100 that throws a wrench in the whole narrative.
00:13:12.800 And that's the reason why they chose Easter worshipers instead.
00:13:16.900 And I am 100% convinced that that was a decision,
00:13:20.340 a calculated decision that was made.
00:13:23.580 Now, of course, we all know when they say Easter worship,
00:13:26.160 we know what they mean.
00:13:27.500 We know that people who worship on Easter are Christians.
00:13:29.680 But the idea is to blunt the emotional,
00:13:33.700 visceral reaction you get from hearing Christians were attacked.
00:13:37.600 They don't want that reaction.
00:13:39.640 So the idea is to make it sound as vague and ambiguous as possible.
00:13:43.920 And yeah, that's a problem.
00:13:45.060 If you don't think it's a problem, think about this.
00:13:48.000 Imagine, think about after the Orlando attack
00:13:52.440 at the gay nightclub in Orlando back in 2016 or 15.
00:13:59.980 Well, imagine if Obama had called it an attack on bar hoppers
00:14:05.760 or on club attendees or something in that vein
00:14:10.000 and had made no mention that they were gay people
00:14:12.980 chosen as victims for that fact.
00:14:16.920 Well, he wouldn't do that.
00:14:19.080 And he didn't do that.
00:14:19.920 Politicians, especially on the left, but on the right as well,
00:14:24.760 made sure to specifically mention the LGBT community
00:14:28.000 and homophobia and so on.
00:14:31.020 And at the very beginning, they were making it about that.
00:14:36.380 And for good reason.
00:14:38.820 Maybe a better analogy actually would be,
00:14:41.300 just because it's more recent,
00:14:43.500 would be the attacks at the mosques in New Zealand.
00:14:49.920 Last month.
00:14:50.940 Here's what,
00:14:52.440 so there were two mosques were attacked
00:14:57.100 in those horrible attacks.
00:14:59.700 And here's what Obama and Clinton said
00:15:04.740 after those attacks.
00:15:05.840 Obama said,
00:15:06.760 Michelle and I send our condolences
00:15:09.140 to the people of New Zealand.
00:15:10.600 We grieve with you and the Muslim community.
00:15:13.200 All of us must stand against hatred in all its forms.
00:15:16.280 Hillary.
00:15:18.800 My heart breaks for New Zealand and the global Muslim community.
00:15:22.620 We must continue the fight to fight the perpetuation
00:15:25.580 and normalization of Islamophobia and racism in all its forms.
00:15:29.460 White supremacist terrorists must be condemned by leaders everywhere.
00:15:33.140 Their murderous hatred must be stopped.
00:15:35.180 Well, that gives up the game right there, doesn't it?
00:15:41.180 There was obviously a decision that was made
00:15:43.680 to make sure to mention Muslim and Islamophobia,
00:15:47.980 white supremacism.
00:15:50.820 And there was obviously a decision
00:15:52.520 not to mention specifics yesterday.
00:15:54.480 Okay, so you just,
00:15:57.260 you can't compare,
00:15:59.240 I don't see how anyone could compare Hillary's tweet
00:16:02.420 about the church attacks
00:16:05.380 to her tweet about the mosque attacks
00:16:07.000 and not see a problem.
00:16:08.760 It's very clear.
00:16:10.700 Okay.
00:16:12.520 What she did not say,
00:16:14.180 what she made a point of not saying is,
00:16:16.880 this is an attack on Christians.
00:16:19.480 Islamic terrorism must be condemned everywhere.
00:16:22.660 It's a worldwide scourge.
00:16:24.680 Even though that's true,
00:16:26.660 she didn't say it.
00:16:29.000 I mean, the very fact that the term Islamophobia exists
00:16:32.920 and Christophobia doesn't really exist,
00:16:36.900 or no one really uses it,
00:16:38.980 even though Christians are killed by Muslims for their faith,
00:16:41.360 far, far, far more than the reverse,
00:16:43.660 that tells you everything you need to know right there.
00:16:46.360 It's all about narrative building.
00:16:48.060 And that's all that these Democrats care about
00:16:54.580 in any given situation.
00:16:57.860 And the whole idea of victimhood
00:17:00.220 is so valuable to them
00:17:02.480 and so precious
00:17:04.120 that they guard it
00:17:08.340 and they will not allow the wrong groups into that camp.
00:17:12.840 They just won't allow it.
00:17:14.760 And so even if there are hundreds of Christians
00:17:16.640 being killed every single month
00:17:17.980 for their faith across the world,
00:17:19.820 and most of the time by Muslims,
00:17:22.380 they just, they can't,
00:17:24.160 they can't acknowledge that.
00:17:26.740 They never will.
00:17:29.820 And that is cowardly and disgusting.
00:17:34.160 And, I mean,
00:17:35.420 it would be hard to go overboard in condemning it
00:17:37.420 once you understand what this is really coming from
00:17:40.100 or what, you know,
00:17:42.360 what the real motivation is.
00:17:45.980 Meanwhile, I think it would be hypocritical
00:17:47.780 not to mention this as well,
00:17:49.620 since we're on the subject of bad tweets on Easter.
00:17:53.480 Here was Donald Trump's Twitter message on Easter.
00:17:56.920 He said,
00:17:57.480 Happy Easter.
00:17:58.700 I've never been happier or more content
00:18:00.540 because your country is doing so well
00:18:02.260 with an economy that is the talk of the world
00:18:04.340 and may be stronger than it has ever been before.
00:18:07.200 Have a great day.
00:18:08.180 No mention of Jesus.
00:18:12.800 No mention of Christianity.
00:18:15.160 His Easter message is about himself.
00:18:17.900 And that's all he said on the subject
00:18:19.680 on Twitter yesterday.
00:18:21.100 He spent the rest of the day talking about himself.
00:18:22.900 He spent the rest of Easter.
00:18:23.820 I mean, Easter Sunday.
00:18:24.640 He's on, he's just ranting on Twitter about himself
00:18:26.640 and about Mueller.
00:18:28.600 He did send one tweet about the church attacks.
00:18:31.020 He also made no mention of Christians in his tweet.
00:18:33.400 He just said people were attacked.
00:18:35.380 And originally he said 138 million people were killed.
00:18:38.700 And then, I mean, that's a heck of a typo.
00:18:41.220 Went back and changed it.
00:18:43.440 So, I mean, look, let's just be real here, guys.
00:18:47.740 If Obama had tweeted this exact thing on Easter
00:18:51.220 during his presidency,
00:18:52.940 he had tweeted out an Easter message
00:18:54.960 that was completely about himself
00:18:57.020 and his own successes
00:18:58.700 and made no mention at all
00:19:00.800 of any of the holidays' actual meaning or significance,
00:19:03.860 we would have lost our freaking minds.
00:19:06.240 And we know it.
00:19:07.280 Okay, so I'm not losing my mind over this.
00:19:09.340 I wouldn't have lost my mind over that.
00:19:10.680 But I don't lose my mind about tweets in general.
00:19:13.000 But it is stupid, narcissistic nonsense.
00:19:17.160 And it shows yet again
00:19:18.400 that Trump cannot manage to care about anything
00:19:20.920 that does not directly relate to himself.
00:19:23.340 And I'm not a fan of that.
00:19:25.400 And I don't think that's a good thing.
00:19:27.760 And I think it's a thing worthy of condemnation.
00:19:31.740 And I'm not gonna let it slide
00:19:33.140 just because it's a Republican.
00:19:34.240 I know most people will.
00:19:35.380 I'm not gonna do that.
00:19:38.260 This tweet from a Democrat
00:19:39.600 would send the right into conniptions.
00:19:42.100 And you know it, and I know it,
00:19:43.660 and everyone knows it.
00:19:44.580 I mean, everyone's right now,
00:19:46.380 within earshot of me,
00:19:47.720 knows that I'm 100% right about that, right?
00:19:50.820 So I think it should,
00:19:53.240 therefore provoke at least
00:19:54.820 some kind of reaction from us now.
00:19:56.800 Like, hey, you know, why not?
00:19:58.480 I mean, can you say something
00:19:59.680 about what the holiday actually means?
00:20:01.760 You're supposedly a Christian yourself.
00:20:04.780 So the Hillary and Obama tweets
00:20:07.420 were cowardly PC nonsense.
00:20:09.160 The Trump tweet is narcissistic nonsense.
00:20:11.460 And that's what we get.
00:20:12.940 Cowardice and narcissism from our ruling class.
00:20:17.540 That's all we can expect from them,
00:20:19.360 as always.
00:20:21.040 Wonderful.
00:20:21.520 Okay, moving on.
00:20:27.160 Speaking of cowardice and nonsense
00:20:30.040 and everything else,
00:20:31.260 let's take a look at this.
00:20:34.580 Because I think it's interesting.
00:20:36.040 We can see kind of the anatomy of a smear.
00:20:40.960 It can be grotesque to inspect,
00:20:43.620 but also instructive.
00:20:45.600 And in this case,
00:20:47.020 the person being smeared is yours truly.
00:20:49.060 So let's back up for a moment.
00:20:52.980 A few days ago on the show,
00:20:55.560 during the email portion of the show at the end,
00:21:00.120 I answered a question from somebody
00:21:01.960 who wanted to know
00:21:02.880 how I could support the abolition of abortion
00:21:04.880 while opposing gay adoption.
00:21:07.280 Now, if that seems like kind of a non sequitur to you,
00:21:09.700 as if, okay,
00:21:10.900 those two issues aren't related,
00:21:12.500 well, you're right.
00:21:13.200 But I can tell you I get this question a lot,
00:21:16.460 especially during Q&As on college campuses.
00:21:19.840 It comes up every single time without exaggeration.
00:21:23.300 And the logic is that,
00:21:25.380 well, if we abolish abortion,
00:21:28.320 we're going to end up with a whole bunch of new babies
00:21:30.920 in the adoption system,
00:21:31.900 and then we're going to need gay couples
00:21:33.820 to come in and adopt some of these kids
00:21:36.360 so that they don't end up
00:21:37.360 languishing in the system for years on end.
00:21:42.300 So as the logic goes,
00:21:44.280 if you can call it that,
00:21:45.440 well, you're a hypocrite
00:21:46.500 if you oppose gay adoption
00:21:48.200 while wanting to abolish abortion,
00:21:51.340 because that means you'd be consigning
00:21:53.220 these kids to the adoption system,
00:21:54.760 which even if that were true,
00:21:57.040 that would still be preferable to killing them.
00:22:00.600 Okay, it's still better.
00:22:01.560 It's better to be in the adoption system than dead.
00:22:05.260 So let's just be clear about that, number one.
00:22:11.340 But there are a lot of problems with the question
00:22:14.000 and the assumptions behind it.
00:22:16.160 And I answer the question the same way that I always do.
00:22:19.640 First, I pointed out that it's a myth
00:22:21.500 that babies who go up for adoption
00:22:23.800 could stay in the system for years.
00:22:25.360 They don't.
00:22:26.280 They won't.
00:22:27.220 It really doesn't happen.
00:22:28.980 It can be hard to get an older child adopted.
00:22:32.180 That's true.
00:22:33.180 But infants are adopted easily
00:22:35.600 because there's a waiting list
00:22:37.000 like 50 miles long of people who are,
00:22:40.260 of families who are qualified.
00:22:43.180 They've filled out all the paperwork.
00:22:44.960 They paid the money
00:22:45.620 and they're eager to adopt an infant.
00:22:48.220 There's a very, very long waiting list
00:22:50.880 of families in that position.
00:22:52.680 And families will wait for years
00:22:54.320 for the opportunity to adopt an infant.
00:22:57.560 It is, it's more difficult to get,
00:23:02.260 and that's, so in this scenario
00:23:04.400 where abortion is made illegal
00:23:06.460 and then there's supposedly going to be
00:23:08.620 this influx of children up for adoption,
00:23:13.200 well, those are going to be babies, right?
00:23:15.000 It's not like abortion is abolished
00:23:18.180 and then that means everyone keeps their kids
00:23:19.880 for five years and then puts them up for adoption.
00:23:21.580 So we're talking about babies in the system
00:23:23.440 and babies get adopted.
00:23:25.140 The reason why, unfortunately, sadly,
00:23:27.160 it can be harder to get older children adopted is,
00:23:30.620 well, there are a number of reasons.
00:23:31.660 Number one, families, a lot of families,
00:23:34.400 they want to adopt an infant
00:23:35.560 so they can form that bond right away.
00:23:38.440 And of course, with older children,
00:23:41.000 sometimes, you know,
00:23:41.760 if you have already have kids,
00:23:44.500 if you have younger kids
00:23:45.380 and you're worried about,
00:23:47.100 there are just other concerns
00:23:48.200 that come into play
00:23:49.180 that aren't really there for babies.
00:23:53.920 So that's the first thing.
00:23:55.840 Second point,
00:23:57.100 I pointed out that both mother and father
00:23:59.580 are indispensable.
00:24:01.540 A child needs both.
00:24:03.660 So if we're talking about two men adopting,
00:24:06.560 it seems that we're saying
00:24:08.340 that the mother is expendable.
00:24:10.320 And if we're talking about two women adopting,
00:24:12.800 then it seems that we're saying
00:24:13.740 that the father is expendable.
00:24:15.340 We're saying, well, you know,
00:24:16.220 you don't really need that.
00:24:18.880 I think that neither is expendable.
00:24:21.080 And that's a biological fact.
00:24:22.860 It's got nothing to do with
00:24:23.880 with any moral judgments
00:24:25.200 about homosexuality or whatever.
00:24:27.200 The point being,
00:24:28.600 you don't need to even,
00:24:30.400 you don't need to be a Christian.
00:24:32.540 You don't need to believe in,
00:24:34.040 you know, biblical sexual morality
00:24:36.380 to see the point here.
00:24:38.800 This is about biology.
00:24:40.780 That every single child
00:24:42.340 has a mother and father.
00:24:46.220 Naturally, biologically.
00:24:48.300 And if their mother,
00:24:49.420 if their biological parents
00:24:50.680 are unwilling or unable
00:24:51.940 to care for them,
00:24:53.720 then the most natural
00:24:55.640 and the healthiest thing
00:24:57.800 is to find them
00:24:58.820 a new mother and father.
00:25:01.380 Not two fathers or two mothers
00:25:03.180 or one mother or one father.
00:25:06.120 Well, and as I said,
00:25:09.460 you know, there are kids
00:25:10.880 who obviously in this country
00:25:13.380 end up in different
00:25:14.260 sorts of situations.
00:25:15.140 There are kids who don't
00:25:16.200 have a mother and father.
00:25:17.800 And I mean, there are all,
00:25:19.620 there are plenty of kids
00:25:20.240 who have just, just a mother.
00:25:21.800 Sometimes kids who have
00:25:22.620 just a father,
00:25:23.540 single parent homes.
00:25:24.980 Those kids are not,
00:25:26.000 it's not like they're doomed
00:25:26.980 to be failures in life
00:25:28.420 and that their life
00:25:29.080 is going to be miserable.
00:25:29.760 I'm not saying that.
00:25:30.500 What I'm saying is
00:25:31.140 that is a disadvantage
00:25:33.220 that they have to get over
00:25:35.600 and overcome
00:25:36.760 and succeed in spite of,
00:25:38.760 which they can.
00:25:39.540 And so many of them do.
00:25:41.120 Thank God.
00:25:43.100 But if a kid's
00:25:44.680 in the adoption system
00:25:45.420 and we're trying to find
00:25:46.180 a situation for them,
00:25:48.060 don't we want to find them
00:25:49.260 the best possible situation
00:25:51.620 to give them
00:25:52.500 the best possible chance?
00:25:55.560 Well, one of the smear merchants
00:25:57.360 over at Media Matters
00:25:58.720 picked up on this segment,
00:26:00.320 I guess because they monitor this show.
00:26:03.040 So hi guys, by the way.
00:26:05.240 Great, great to have you.
00:26:06.200 And they, they summarize,
00:26:10.720 this, this guy, Jason Campbell,
00:26:12.400 his Twitter handle
00:26:14.480 at Jason S. Campbell,
00:26:16.500 C-A-M-P-B-E-L-L.
00:26:19.200 He, this is how he summarized
00:26:21.660 the point that I made.
00:26:23.540 Here's the tweet here.
00:26:24.520 I'll show it to you.
00:26:25.320 He says,
00:26:25.780 the Daily Wire's Matt Walsh
00:26:27.160 would rather have kids
00:26:28.120 in orphanages
00:26:28.940 than with same-sex parents.
00:26:30.660 So that's his characterization.
00:26:32.100 Okay.
00:26:32.580 It's not a quote.
00:26:33.640 That's his characterization
00:26:34.580 of what I said.
00:26:35.900 Well, the British publication
00:26:37.360 called The Independent,
00:26:38.680 they got wind of this
00:26:39.960 and they did their own article
00:26:41.160 and in their article
00:26:42.980 for the headline,
00:26:44.240 they use that tweet.
00:26:46.020 Okay.
00:26:46.240 They use the tweet
00:26:47.040 of some guy
00:26:47.900 giving a biased paraphrase
00:26:49.940 of what I said
00:26:51.200 and they made that the headline
00:26:52.960 as if it was my quote
00:26:54.400 when it was that guy's quote
00:26:56.060 about what I said.
00:26:57.900 So their headline
00:26:58.760 in The Independent is,
00:27:00.860 U.S. conservative says
00:27:02.160 he would rather a child
00:27:03.180 remain in an orphanage
00:27:04.420 than be adopted
00:27:05.340 by a gay couple.
00:27:06.300 Well, here's the problem.
00:27:07.240 I didn't say that.
00:27:08.720 Okay.
00:27:08.860 You could try to infer that.
00:27:10.140 You can assume
00:27:10.720 that that's what I meant.
00:27:11.620 You can try to peer
00:27:12.760 into my soul
00:27:13.820 and read my mind.
00:27:15.100 That's not what I said.
00:27:15.980 So if you're going
00:27:16.860 to put it in the headline
00:27:17.840 that U.S. conservative
00:27:21.760 says X, Y, Z,
00:27:24.340 well, it seems to me
00:27:25.040 that the thing
00:27:25.820 that you say that I said,
00:27:26.900 I should have actually said
00:27:28.080 and I didn't say that.
00:27:30.440 That is what someone else said.
00:27:32.560 So here's a shot
00:27:33.860 of the article
00:27:34.320 by Greg Evans
00:27:35.140 in The Independent.
00:27:37.420 And then they quote me
00:27:38.620 in the article verbatim
00:27:40.620 and their quote
00:27:41.900 does not support the headline.
00:27:43.480 Here's what I said verbatim
00:27:44.500 according to their own article.
00:27:45.880 I'll just read
00:27:46.540 exactly what I said.
00:27:48.200 In my mind,
00:27:49.160 every child needs
00:27:49.880 and deserves a mother
00:27:50.560 and father
00:27:50.980 and that's a biological need.
00:27:52.480 There is a reason
00:27:53.100 why every person in history
00:27:54.080 has been created
00:27:54.680 by a mother and father.
00:27:55.540 So even if you don't want
00:27:56.540 to use the word God,
00:27:57.700 let's say nature,
00:27:58.560 clearly intends for a child
00:27:59.620 to have a mother and father,
00:28:00.680 which is why every child
00:28:01.660 does have a mother and father.
00:28:03.580 What I would ask is,
00:28:05.400 what I would ask you
00:28:06.160 is if we're talking
00:28:06.720 about gay adoption,
00:28:07.800 which of the two
00:28:08.500 is expendable,
00:28:09.400 mother or father?
00:28:10.220 If we're talking about
00:28:10.920 two gay men adopting a child,
00:28:12.600 we can just get rid
00:28:13.920 of the mother
00:28:14.300 and say that a guy
00:28:15.300 can do that.
00:28:16.100 Well, a guy can't do that.
00:28:17.660 A man cannot function
00:28:18.680 as a mother.
00:28:19.220 A man can be
00:28:19.720 a very loving father,
00:28:20.660 but he cannot be a mother.
00:28:21.740 That is a role
00:28:22.280 that he can biologically
00:28:23.200 not fulfill
00:28:24.080 and there are certain
00:28:25.160 emotional and psychological needs
00:28:26.540 that a child has
00:28:27.320 that if he does not
00:28:28.260 have a mother at home,
00:28:29.260 will not be met.
00:28:30.220 That doesn't mean
00:28:30.940 the child is doomed
00:28:32.040 and can't end up
00:28:33.520 being happy
00:28:33.980 and fulfilled in life,
00:28:34.760 but he will be happy
00:28:35.560 and fulfilled
00:28:35.940 in spite of that disadvantage.
00:28:37.480 Okay, so that's
00:28:38.020 what they quote me as saying,
00:28:40.680 but that's not
00:28:42.740 what they put in the headline.
00:28:44.120 So the headline should be,
00:28:45.740 U.S. conservative
00:28:46.600 says that mothers
00:28:47.700 are indispensable.
00:28:49.840 That's the headline, right?
00:28:51.620 And that's a headline
00:28:52.740 that everyone should
00:28:53.420 be able to get behind.
00:28:56.640 But they didn't want
00:28:57.260 to put that in there
00:28:57.800 because that doesn't make
00:28:58.660 for a good headline,
00:28:59.400 I guess.
00:29:00.740 And then they go on
00:29:01.760 to say in the article,
00:29:03.420 Walsh's radical comments
00:29:05.040 have been met
00:29:05.640 with derision online
00:29:07.040 by people aghast
00:29:08.360 at his views
00:29:09.060 on gay couples
00:29:09.840 fostering children.
00:29:11.540 Radical?
00:29:12.940 What's radical about that?
00:29:14.780 Anyone want to explain
00:29:15.500 that to me?
00:29:16.780 Jason Campbell,
00:29:18.300 since you've apparently
00:29:19.480 pulled a short straw
00:29:20.340 and you have to watch my show,
00:29:22.280 what you want to explain?
00:29:24.640 Do you want to stop
00:29:25.300 being a misquoting coward
00:29:27.800 and actually address the point?
00:29:31.740 You sniveling, conniving coward,
00:29:34.980 you want to actually
00:29:35.460 give it a shot?
00:29:37.120 You want to use your brain
00:29:38.160 for 10 seconds?
00:29:40.160 Explain to me.
00:29:42.120 Explain to me.
00:29:42.720 What's radical
00:29:45.060 about the idea
00:29:45.780 that children need mothers?
00:29:47.840 Do you disagree?
00:29:49.120 Do you disagree that children,
00:29:50.200 I'm saying children need mothers,
00:29:51.880 mothers are great,
00:29:52.720 mothers are indispensable,
00:29:53.580 okay, it's kind of the message
00:29:55.120 you hear around Mother's Day
00:29:56.080 every year.
00:29:57.060 Does that scandalize you
00:29:58.300 when you hear that,
00:29:58.880 Jason Campbell?
00:29:59.600 Does it scandalize you
00:30:00.460 to hear that mothers
00:30:02.020 are indispensable
00:30:02.720 and are great
00:30:03.240 and children need them?
00:30:04.380 Do you disagree?
00:30:05.220 Well, explain to me why.
00:30:07.580 Just come out and say that,
00:30:08.760 yeah, I mean,
00:30:09.060 a man can do everything
00:30:09.960 a mother can do.
00:30:10.520 You don't really even need mothers.
00:30:11.500 It left people aghast.
00:30:18.720 They're aghast
00:30:19.560 that someone said
00:30:20.320 children need mothers.
00:30:21.260 I am aghast
00:30:22.080 at this biological fact
00:30:24.060 that cannot be denied.
00:30:27.660 But this, of course,
00:30:28.600 is how the media operates.
00:30:29.740 I'm not surprised by it,
00:30:31.720 but that doesn't make it any better.
00:30:34.660 It's frustrating for me
00:30:43.920 because I enjoy
00:30:45.480 having discussions
00:30:48.020 about these kinds of issues.
00:30:49.740 And so I would love
00:30:50.900 if somebody would step up
00:30:52.880 to the plate
00:30:53.400 and provide
00:30:54.900 some kind of counterpoint
00:30:56.900 because I would love
00:30:58.660 to hear what it is.
00:31:01.060 I can't even imagine
00:31:02.600 what it could be.
00:31:03.160 I mean, how could you possibly
00:31:04.780 argue against
00:31:06.420 the basic idea
00:31:07.960 that the most ideal situation
00:31:09.840 is for a child
00:31:10.380 to have a mother and father?
00:31:11.380 I mean, it seems to me
00:31:12.560 I've got everything on my side,
00:31:13.660 including nature.
00:31:15.400 I've got nature.
00:31:16.420 I've got, you know,
00:31:17.440 all of human history on my side.
00:31:19.620 I mean, it seems like
00:31:20.460 I've got a lot going for me here
00:31:22.260 in making this point.
00:31:23.780 So I'm just curious
00:31:25.000 what the
00:31:25.760 mothers are expendable crowd
00:31:27.580 would say.
00:31:28.320 I don't even know
00:31:28.820 what they would say
00:31:29.460 because they don't bother
00:31:30.920 making any point.
00:31:31.880 All they do is just
00:31:32.780 cry and freak out.
00:31:34.560 Did you hear what he said?
00:31:35.700 Oh my gosh.
00:31:36.520 I'm a guest.
00:31:37.700 I'm a guest at this.
00:31:42.780 And by the way,
00:31:43.500 that's how
00:31:43.780 everyone in media matters.
00:31:45.040 That's how I imagine them.
00:31:46.140 That's how I imagine
00:31:46.680 them saying everything
00:31:47.380 is what they just
00:31:47.900 they're constantly
00:31:48.940 in the process of fainting.
00:31:54.140 So I'm waiting.
00:31:55.240 You know, if anyone wants
00:31:55.980 to step up to the plate
00:31:56.980 and offer a
00:31:57.820 some sort of
00:31:59.580 rebuttal
00:32:01.000 and I'd be fascinated
00:32:02.120 to hear it.
00:32:03.420 All right.
00:32:05.440 Let's
00:32:05.920 jump ahead
00:32:09.180 to emails.
00:32:11.680 MattWalshshow
00:32:12.200 at gmail.com
00:32:13.180 MattWalshshow
00:32:13.760 at gmail.com
00:32:14.680 This is from JP
00:32:18.640 says,
00:32:19.180 Dear Mr. Walsh,
00:32:20.260 eventual dictator
00:32:21.080 of America,
00:32:21.900 I am taking issue
00:32:23.120 with something you said
00:32:23.960 on today's show.
00:32:24.640 You said that McDonald's
00:32:26.260 is the best
00:32:26.880 fast food restaurant
00:32:27.880 when in fact
00:32:28.440 it is an undeniable fact
00:32:29.560 that Chick-fil-A
00:32:30.120 is the greatest
00:32:30.560 fast food restaurant.
00:32:31.420 If your dictatorship
00:32:32.280 is one that holds
00:32:33.220 McDonald's above Chick-fil-A,
00:32:34.580 I'm not sure
00:32:35.300 it's a dictatorship
00:32:35.900 I want to live in.
00:32:37.380 Well, JP,
00:32:38.140 I have good news.
00:32:39.720 With this kind
00:32:40.540 of insubordination,
00:32:41.560 you won't have to worry
00:32:42.580 about living
00:32:43.420 under my dictatorship.
00:32:45.440 I will take care
00:32:46.120 of that problem
00:32:46.680 for you swiftly.
00:32:48.820 I assure you,
00:32:49.980 though probably
00:32:50.540 not painlessly.
00:32:54.640 This is from Lisa
00:32:56.220 says,
00:32:56.560 Greetings, Matt.
00:32:57.200 As a Catholic,
00:32:58.060 do you believe
00:32:58.580 that all the supposed
00:32:59.440 real relics
00:33:00.520 paraded by the Catholic Church,
00:33:01.860 crown of thorns,
00:33:02.580 pieces of the cross,
00:33:03.520 nails from the cross,
00:33:04.240 etc.,
00:33:04.760 are actually real?
00:33:05.820 If not,
00:33:06.320 are you a rare form
00:33:07.380 of Catholic
00:33:07.800 in this regard?
00:33:09.160 Seeing as many churches
00:33:10.120 claim to have certain relics
00:33:11.360 that they couldn't
00:33:11.900 all possibly have,
00:33:13.480 how do you decide
00:33:14.320 which ones are actually real
00:33:15.540 and which ones aren't?
00:33:16.920 I could be wrong on this,
00:33:17.940 but my understanding
00:33:18.520 is that Protestants
00:33:19.220 don't think those relics
00:33:20.180 are real.
00:33:20.540 To be clear,
00:33:21.040 obviously we acknowledge
00:33:21.900 that they existed
00:33:22.600 at one point,
00:33:23.580 just not that they've
00:33:24.260 necessarily been preserved
00:33:25.340 and are on display
00:33:26.300 in churches today.
00:33:27.280 Would be curious
00:33:27.800 to hear a Catholic
00:33:28.360 perspective on this.
00:33:29.580 Thanks and love the show.
00:33:31.840 Hi, Lisa.
00:33:34.920 I don't really have
00:33:36.200 a blanket policy
00:33:37.260 when it comes to relics.
00:33:38.260 I think that
00:33:38.820 some of them
00:33:39.900 are probably real
00:33:40.800 and some probably aren't.
00:33:42.160 It depends.
00:33:44.540 I'd have to look
00:33:45.340 at the history
00:33:45.880 of any particular relic
00:33:47.140 before I came
00:33:48.440 to a tentative conclusion
00:33:50.440 about whether or not
00:33:51.060 I believe it's real.
00:33:51.760 But no,
00:33:52.740 I don't just automatically
00:33:53.780 believe that anything
00:33:54.900 is an ancient holy relic
00:33:56.120 just because someone
00:33:57.000 says it is
00:33:57.540 or because it's
00:33:58.400 enclosed in glass
00:33:59.740 somewhere at a church.
00:34:02.700 And it's not like,
00:34:03.880 you know,
00:34:04.220 and we are,
00:34:05.800 you know,
00:34:06.720 we're not required
00:34:07.620 to affirm that.
00:34:08.860 And I know you didn't
00:34:10.580 make that claim.
00:34:11.420 I just wanted to clarify
00:34:12.220 because it seems like
00:34:13.180 there really are
00:34:14.200 a lot of non-Catholics
00:34:15.480 who think that
00:34:16.140 as Catholics
00:34:17.760 we are required
00:34:18.940 to believe
00:34:19.980 all of these
00:34:21.040 random things.
00:34:22.920 You know,
00:34:23.100 any claim
00:34:24.900 that's made
00:34:25.420 by any church
00:34:26.180 or any relic
00:34:27.200 or any miracle
00:34:27.780 that's like,
00:34:28.300 we have to believe
00:34:28.940 all that
00:34:29.240 and that's simply
00:34:30.360 not the case.
00:34:31.020 We,
00:34:31.920 just like you,
00:34:33.120 we are able
00:34:34.680 to use our own judgment
00:34:35.880 and decide
00:34:36.500 if we believe
00:34:37.480 these things or not.
00:34:40.220 The most that the church
00:34:41.420 will do
00:34:41.780 with a lot of this stuff,
00:34:43.140 including especially
00:34:44.280 miracle claims,
00:34:45.120 and if someone
00:34:46.940 claims a miracle,
00:34:47.840 then the church
00:34:48.720 will,
00:34:49.400 has a whole process
00:34:50.280 of looking into it
00:34:51.040 and very,
00:34:51.800 very often,
00:34:52.320 probably 99%
00:34:53.640 of the time,
00:34:54.280 the church will say,
00:34:55.180 no,
00:34:56.160 you know,
00:34:56.520 it doesn't appear
00:34:57.200 to be a miracle.
00:34:58.020 And then you got
00:34:58.620 that 1% of the time
00:34:59.680 and in those,
00:35:00.860 in those cases,
00:35:02.080 most of the time,
00:35:02.900 the most of the church
00:35:03.400 will do is say that,
00:35:05.080 okay,
00:35:05.360 you know,
00:35:05.700 we've looked into this
00:35:06.500 and this is a miracle
00:35:07.880 worthy of belief.
00:35:09.000 You don't have to believe it,
00:35:09.900 but we've looked into it
00:35:11.700 and seems to be a miracle.
00:35:14.100 But at the end of the day,
00:35:15.200 you can form your own conclusion.
00:35:17.960 So,
00:35:18.860 so that's kind of where I am
00:35:21.820 with,
00:35:22.200 with,
00:35:22.660 with relics.
00:35:25.520 Here's an example.
00:35:26.300 This isn't really a,
00:35:27.080 I don't know if I'd call it
00:35:27.660 a relic per se,
00:35:29.080 but I was just talking
00:35:30.160 to my family about this
00:35:31.040 yesterday at Easter.
00:35:33.460 This claim,
00:35:34.300 because some people
00:35:34.820 in my family
00:35:35.200 just came back from,
00:35:36.040 from Italy.
00:35:37.300 And I was asking them
00:35:39.080 about this.
00:35:40.220 There's this claim
00:35:41.160 that I only recently
00:35:42.560 heard about that
00:35:43.680 the Holy Family's house
00:35:46.520 was airlifted
00:35:48.260 out of Nazareth
00:35:49.100 by angels
00:35:51.280 in the 13th century
00:35:52.600 and transported to Italy
00:35:54.000 where it stands today.
00:35:55.760 And,
00:35:56.280 and people go
00:35:57.000 and they visit it.
00:35:59.380 A Pope in the 1200s
00:36:01.020 announced basically
00:36:01.860 that the Holy Family's house
00:36:03.300 had appeared there
00:36:04.200 in Italy
00:36:04.560 as a miracle.
00:36:05.920 Angels had brought it.
00:36:06.680 So I was asking
00:36:08.600 some people in my family
00:36:09.340 about this
00:36:09.720 and we got into
00:36:10.080 a debate about it.
00:36:11.020 Do I believe that,
00:36:12.100 that angels transported
00:36:13.600 a house to Nazareth?
00:36:15.040 No, I don't.
00:36:15.580 I really don't believe it.
00:36:16.600 I think it's kind of silly
00:36:17.380 to be honest.
00:36:18.700 I don't think there's
00:36:19.380 any evidence,
00:36:20.140 any reason to believe it.
00:36:22.180 There should be evidence
00:36:23.180 for something like,
00:36:23.700 like, for instance,
00:36:24.460 there should be,
00:36:25.720 if this house existed
00:36:27.200 in the Middle East
00:36:29.380 for,
00:36:29.880 for 1200 years,
00:36:32.760 then people should have
00:36:34.100 known about it.
00:36:34.720 And then one day
00:36:35.260 they should have shown up
00:36:36.140 to pay their respects
00:36:37.220 at the Holy Family's house.
00:36:38.260 And, oh, look at that.
00:36:38.820 It's gone, right?
00:36:41.040 But I'm not aware
00:36:42.020 of anything like that.
00:36:42.960 It just,
00:36:44.220 this house just
00:36:45.440 appeared one day
00:36:46.900 in Italy
00:36:47.720 and someone said
00:36:48.720 it was the Holy Family's house.
00:36:49.400 So that,
00:36:50.280 I don't believe that.
00:36:51.980 But do I believe,
00:36:53.560 for instance,
00:36:54.180 that Notre Dame
00:36:55.220 had pieces
00:36:55.820 of the Crown of Thorns?
00:36:57.620 Yeah,
00:36:58.220 sure, I do.
00:37:00.280 I can't know for sure,
00:37:01.780 but I think there is
00:37:03.280 a history
00:37:03.720 that you can trace
00:37:04.660 and with a lot
00:37:06.180 of these relics,
00:37:06.920 not all of them,
00:37:08.100 but with a lot of them,
00:37:09.280 you can trace the history
00:37:10.660 pretty far back.
00:37:13.860 You know,
00:37:14.120 you can look at
00:37:14.940 a documented history
00:37:15.820 that goes back
00:37:16.440 to the early centuries
00:37:17.520 of the church
00:37:18.100 and sometimes even more
00:37:19.640 and can get even closer
00:37:21.080 to Christ than that.
00:37:22.420 And when you've got
00:37:22.980 something like that,
00:37:23.960 then I think it's
00:37:26.060 worthy of belief.
00:37:28.120 And I certainly
00:37:28.880 wouldn't go the opposite,
00:37:30.920 to the opposite extreme
00:37:32.340 and just dismiss
00:37:33.360 all of that
00:37:34.000 out of hand.
00:37:37.360 Because it makes sense,
00:37:38.660 right,
00:37:38.860 that why wouldn't
00:37:39.640 God have left us
00:37:40.580 some relics,
00:37:43.880 some keepsakes,
00:37:45.780 if you will,
00:37:46.500 for us to just have
00:37:47.620 and cherish.
00:37:49.220 All right,
00:37:49.880 let's see,
00:37:50.480 this is from
00:37:51.360 Connor,
00:37:52.340 says,
00:37:52.860 hey Matt,
00:37:53.420 Passover got me
00:37:54.120 thinking tonight
00:37:54.580 and I think I managed
00:37:55.520 to map out
00:37:56.100 how reparations
00:37:56.980 for slavery will work
00:37:58.140 and I wanted to get
00:37:58.760 your opinion on it.
00:37:59.780 Step one,
00:38:00.720 those with Egyptian heritage
00:38:01.880 will pay all the Jews
00:38:03.060 and Christians,
00:38:03.680 for starters.
00:38:04.760 Step two,
00:38:05.580 the Jews and Christians
00:38:06.320 will then use that
00:38:07.180 previously gotten money
00:38:08.580 to pay those
00:38:09.620 with African heritage,
00:38:10.880 only if they're white,
00:38:11.620 of course.
00:38:13.080 Step two,
00:38:13.880 Muslims will start
00:38:14.820 paying each other
00:38:15.500 for enslaving each other
00:38:16.460 in the past.
00:38:17.140 Step three,
00:38:18.000 those with African heritage
00:38:19.000 will use their
00:38:19.600 previously gotten money
00:38:20.940 from step two
00:38:21.760 to pay each other
00:38:23.000 similarly to how
00:38:23.760 it worked in step 2A
00:38:24.980 for past Africans
00:38:26.080 enslaving each other.
00:38:28.000 Native Americans
00:38:28.760 will pay each other too,
00:38:29.560 I guess,
00:38:29.900 they will work it out
00:38:30.540 amongst themselves.
00:38:31.240 Step four,
00:38:33.060 Chinese pay the Turks,
00:38:34.340 the Portuguese
00:38:34.700 will pay the Japanese,
00:38:36.140 Klobuchar will pay her staff.
00:38:38.640 It was a good one.
00:38:39.720 Thank you for all you do
00:38:40.600 from Connor.
00:38:41.280 Connor,
00:38:41.540 I find your proposal
00:38:42.700 totally acceptable
00:38:44.360 and I say,
00:38:45.560 let's do it.
00:38:46.560 I think the goal here
00:38:47.440 has to be that
00:38:47.940 we all end up
00:38:48.500 with exactly the same
00:38:49.280 amount of money
00:38:49.800 that we started with.
00:38:50.640 We'll just pass
00:38:51.460 all the money around
00:38:52.220 and then we'll end up
00:38:52.900 in the end
00:38:53.280 where we started
00:38:54.460 to begin with.
00:38:56.780 This is from Garrett.
00:38:57.980 It says,
00:38:58.120 hey Matt,
00:38:58.440 yesterday I had
00:38:58.880 the best conversation
00:38:59.600 I've ever had at a bar.
00:39:01.240 Me and two other
00:39:01.980 young people
00:39:02.580 had a deep discussion
00:39:03.520 regarding Christianity
00:39:04.340 and philosophy.
00:39:05.080 We mostly disagreed
00:39:05.920 but agreed on a few things
00:39:07.100 and were incredibly
00:39:08.140 cordial with each other.
00:39:09.540 Before this,
00:39:10.200 I had been rather negative
00:39:11.840 about the state
00:39:13.200 of such fundamental
00:39:14.120 debates in our society,
00:39:15.160 though after this
00:39:15.960 I am optimistic.
00:39:16.760 Do you believe
00:39:17.180 young people are
00:39:17.840 talking about
00:39:19.000 these things enough
00:39:20.020 or is the education
00:39:21.080 system failing
00:39:21.880 in that respect?
00:39:23.940 Well,
00:39:24.600 first of all,
00:39:25.160 Garrett,
00:39:25.360 you've stumbled
00:39:25.760 on a fundamental truth
00:39:27.940 which is that
00:39:28.440 the best philosophical
00:39:29.560 and theological debates
00:39:30.760 happen in dimly lit
00:39:32.440 bars over a pint
00:39:33.660 and I firmly believe
00:39:34.960 that.
00:39:36.500 I do think that
00:39:38.000 interesting and in-depth
00:39:40.380 and edifying debates
00:39:41.760 and discussions
00:39:42.280 between people
00:39:43.800 are very possible
00:39:45.400 in our society,
00:39:46.440 especially at a bar,
00:39:47.240 but not only at a bar.
00:39:49.200 But I think you need
00:39:50.220 a couple of ingredients
00:39:51.400 besides beer.
00:39:53.240 Number one,
00:39:54.940 the people who are
00:39:55.760 conversing with each other
00:39:56.820 need to actually respect
00:39:59.200 each other as people
00:40:00.300 because if you hate each other
00:40:02.100 there's no hope
00:40:03.300 for a dialogue, right?
00:40:04.500 So if you're sitting down
00:40:05.580 for a beer with someone
00:40:06.320 that means that you respect them
00:40:07.480 because you wouldn't
00:40:08.300 if you didn't.
00:40:09.880 So that's the first thing
00:40:10.500 you need.
00:40:11.820 Second thing is
00:40:12.680 you need to have
00:40:13.800 some basic shared
00:40:16.880 frame of reference.
00:40:18.240 You need some underlying
00:40:19.600 principle that everyone
00:40:21.400 agrees on,
00:40:22.820 something that you can appeal
00:40:23.920 to in the conversation
00:40:25.380 because without that
00:40:26.180 it can't go anywhere
00:40:27.060 and that I think is why
00:40:28.560 a lot of our conversations
00:40:29.680 don't go anywhere
00:40:30.460 in this country.
00:40:31.040 So in other words,
00:40:32.420 I can have a fun conversation
00:40:34.120 about football
00:40:34.940 with any knowledgeable
00:40:36.180 football fan
00:40:36.960 even if they
00:40:38.060 are a bad fan
00:40:40.220 who likes a bad
00:40:41.100 horrible team
00:40:42.300 like the Steelers
00:40:42.980 or the Jets.
00:40:44.460 Now I think that
00:40:46.260 there's something
00:40:46.840 mentally wrong
00:40:47.820 with Steelers
00:40:48.480 and Jets fans.
00:40:50.220 I think that maybe
00:40:51.280 arguably they're all
00:40:52.840 sociopaths
00:40:53.620 and cannibals
00:40:54.280 and worse
00:40:54.880 but we can at least
00:40:57.520 talk and we can have
00:40:58.160 a fun conversation
00:40:58.860 even in spite of that
00:40:59.880 because we have
00:41:01.040 that underlying
00:41:01.660 agreement
00:41:02.420 that football
00:41:03.420 is interesting
00:41:04.100 and we like to talk
00:41:04.860 about it.
00:41:05.580 But the conversation
00:41:06.560 wouldn't go anywhere
00:41:07.360 if we couldn't even
00:41:08.660 agree on the basic
00:41:10.160 definition of
00:41:10.940 what football is.
00:41:12.180 Like if I'm talking
00:41:12.780 about football
00:41:13.380 and he's talking
00:41:14.860 about ping pong
00:41:15.540 well that's not
00:41:16.500 going to be
00:41:16.940 a very interesting
00:41:18.120 discussion
00:41:18.520 and it's the same
00:41:19.500 with deeper subject.
00:41:20.400 We have to agree
00:41:20.960 on something.
00:41:21.800 You have to have
00:41:22.100 some kind of agreement
00:41:23.220 somewhere.
00:41:25.020 We can disagree
00:41:25.860 on a million things
00:41:26.920 and we can argue
00:41:27.600 about those things
00:41:28.340 and we can have
00:41:29.120 an enjoyable argument
00:41:30.060 but there have to be
00:41:31.160 a few basic
00:41:31.880 starting points
00:41:32.700 that we share
00:41:33.320 and the problem
00:41:34.920 in our society
00:41:35.700 even apart
00:41:36.920 from the education
00:41:37.620 system or anything else
00:41:38.620 the problem is
00:41:39.700 very often
00:41:41.020 you've got two people
00:41:42.760 or two groups
00:41:43.400 that are arguing
00:41:43.940 with each other
00:41:44.440 and they have no
00:41:45.640 shared starting point
00:41:46.720 they have no frame
00:41:47.580 of reference
00:41:48.060 they have no
00:41:48.860 shared values
00:41:49.740 no shared priorities
00:41:51.020 their fundamental
00:41:52.860 concept of reality
00:41:57.700 are completely opposite
00:41:59.960 from each other
00:42:00.660 and so
00:42:01.980 it's like you're
00:42:04.000 speaking different languages
00:42:04.880 and I think
00:42:06.420 that's our
00:42:06.940 our problem
00:42:08.540 all right
00:42:09.520 but I'm glad
00:42:10.480 that you had
00:42:10.820 that conversation
00:42:11.420 and I've had
00:42:13.120 many of those
00:42:13.580 myself
00:42:13.920 and they are
00:42:14.220 very enjoyable
00:42:14.640 this is from
00:42:15.260 David
00:42:15.700 says
00:42:17.560 hi Matt
00:42:18.340 you talk a lot
00:42:19.160 about space aliens
00:42:20.180 and similar subjects
00:42:21.060 that's true
00:42:21.580 my feeling though
00:42:23.460 is that exploring
00:42:25.660 space
00:42:26.260 is an enormous
00:42:27.240 waste of money
00:42:28.020 when there's so much
00:42:28.720 on earth
00:42:29.020 that needs fixing
00:42:29.640 how do you respond
00:42:30.360 to that
00:42:30.680 can we justify
00:42:31.380 dumping billions
00:42:32.260 into space
00:42:32.880 for no reason
00:42:33.640 just seems silly
00:42:34.480 to me
00:42:34.920 you know
00:42:36.500 I don't see anything
00:42:37.080 silly about exploration
00:42:38.040 and I hear this a lot
00:42:39.000 I think it satisfies
00:42:40.800 an essential human need
00:42:42.220 okay
00:42:42.640 it's part of what
00:42:43.500 makes us human
00:42:44.140 this reminds me
00:42:45.540 of the conversation
00:42:46.040 we had about beauty
00:42:46.900 you know
00:42:47.140 after the Notre Dame thing
00:42:48.180 and I was trying
00:42:50.440 to make the point
00:42:50.980 that yeah
00:42:51.420 beauty is not practical
00:42:52.780 but it's more
00:42:54.800 than practical
00:42:55.620 it's deeper than that
00:42:56.540 it's more transcendent
00:42:57.800 right
00:42:58.060 there are needs
00:42:59.220 there are needs
00:43:00.580 that we have
00:43:01.080 there are practical
00:43:02.140 needs that we have
00:43:02.840 that put us
00:43:03.560 in the same camp
00:43:04.400 as like squirrels
00:43:05.520 and ants
00:43:06.000 and trees
00:43:07.280 and so on
00:43:07.900 you know
00:43:08.100 we need water
00:43:09.060 and we need oxygen
00:43:10.860 physical needs
00:43:12.760 but then there are needs
00:43:14.420 that we have
00:43:14.820 that set us apart
00:43:15.700 from all other
00:43:16.660 known creatures
00:43:17.420 the hunger for beauty
00:43:18.920 and for transcendence
00:43:20.500 that's what sets us apart
00:43:22.720 from those other
00:43:23.260 creatures
00:43:23.820 and so we shouldn't
00:43:25.740 stifle those desires
00:43:26.800 we should follow them
00:43:28.080 even if it's impractical
00:43:29.800 even if it's expensive
00:43:30.900 even if it's risky
00:43:32.100 it's how we become
00:43:34.040 really human
00:43:34.720 really ourselves
00:43:35.500 and I think the drive
00:43:37.280 for discovery
00:43:37.940 is like this
00:43:38.660 I think if we
00:43:40.140 if we were to stop
00:43:41.260 discovering
00:43:41.820 if we were to stop
00:43:43.140 surging ahead
00:43:43.820 if we were to stop
00:43:45.020 seeking new frontiers
00:43:46.840 I think we'd stop being
00:43:48.440 we would stop
00:43:49.520 essentially being
00:43:50.120 a human civilization
00:43:51.080 we'd be just like
00:43:52.860 some kind of
00:43:53.340 ant colony
00:43:54.100 right
00:43:54.420 obsessed with
00:43:55.100 its own practical needs
00:43:56.260 its own basic survival
00:43:57.840 and nothing more
00:43:59.040 and who wants that
00:44:00.720 who wants to be like that
00:44:02.440 I don't
00:44:02.940 so what do we gain
00:44:05.260 from going into space
00:44:07.260 well I could actually
00:44:08.020 point to a whole bunch
00:44:08.900 of practical
00:44:09.520 things that have come
00:44:11.620 from space exploration
00:44:12.760 a lot of everyday items
00:44:14.340 that started with astronauts
00:44:15.760 and with the space program
00:44:17.180 but aside from that
00:44:19.040 we gain knowledge
00:44:20.440 we gain expanded horizons
00:44:22.540 we gain
00:44:23.540 hope
00:44:25.040 we gain something
00:44:25.900 to look forward to
00:44:26.760 something to dream about
00:44:27.740 I mean we gain
00:44:28.760 more of what makes
00:44:30.300 human existence worthwhile
00:44:31.560 so we gain quite a bit
00:44:33.620 I would say
00:44:34.280 is it worth the money then
00:44:36.400 then yeah
00:44:37.300 I believe it is
00:44:38.360 it really is
00:44:39.600 I think we need
00:44:41.440 there's a
00:44:41.900 a modern tendency
00:44:43.740 to see everything
00:44:46.280 in
00:44:46.900 is a tendency
00:44:48.140 shared even by
00:44:49.020 by Christians
00:44:50.040 a tendency to see
00:44:51.660 everything in materialistic
00:44:52.660 terms
00:44:53.020 everything in practical
00:44:54.360 utilitarian terms
00:44:55.540 like what's
00:44:56.760 what is this doing
00:44:57.780 for me immediately
00:44:58.780 how is it helping
00:44:59.480 my bottom line
00:45:00.300 that's the question
00:45:01.380 we all ask
00:45:02.160 about almost everything
00:45:03.740 but there are things
00:45:07.260 that are
00:45:07.640 bigger than that
00:45:09.920 I mean music
00:45:11.400 who needs music
00:45:12.380 right
00:45:12.640 what do you need
00:45:13.280 music for
00:45:13.900 it doesn't do anything
00:45:15.400 for you
00:45:15.800 it doesn't pay the bills
00:45:17.700 most of us
00:45:18.180 unless you're
00:45:18.480 a professional musician
00:45:19.680 you can't eat it
00:45:21.080 you can't drink it
00:45:22.540 but
00:45:25.100 it makes life
00:45:27.440 it's another thing
00:45:28.760 that part of what
00:45:29.620 makes life
00:45:30.160 worth living
00:45:31.540 it's part of what
00:45:32.140 makes us
00:45:32.560 a human
00:45:33.220 alright
00:45:34.980 so
00:45:36.340 we'll leave it there
00:45:37.600 thanks everybody
00:45:38.500 for watching
00:45:38.980 thanks for
00:45:39.600 listening
00:45:40.560 godspeed
00:45:41.860 today on the Ben Shapiro show
00:45:56.520 devastating bombings
00:45:57.800 by radical Islamists
00:45:58.880 kill hundreds on Easter
00:46:00.060 in Sri Lanka
00:46:01.000 fallout from the Mueller report
00:46:02.320 continues
00:46:02.740 and Elizabeth Warren
00:46:03.740 makes a radical proposal
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