The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 244 - We're Christians, Not 'Easter Worshippers'

00:00:00.000 Today on the Matt Walsh Show, horrific terror attacks against Christians in Sri Lanka.

00:00:03.800 We'll talk about the persecution of Christians, which is happening on a large scale across the world.

00:00:09.800 And we'll try to figure out why certain prominent Democrats are going out of their way

00:00:14.760 to avoid acknowledging that Christians are the ones who were attacked yesterday.

00:00:20.120 And I have been smeared by a British publication for comments that I made about gay adoption.

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00:00:41.840 Well, happy Easter, everybody.

00:00:43.380 I hope you had a good one.

00:00:45.900 And I'll say that my Easter was very good.

00:00:47.880 Great day overall.

00:00:49.300 Kind of ruined, though, I got to be honest, at the very end,

00:00:51.680 because I was waiting all day for my kids to go to bed

00:00:54.580 so that I could go and raid their Easter baskets and take, you know, whatever candy I wanted,

00:00:59.160 such as my tradition.

00:01:01.080 But when they finally went to bed and I, you know, I went to go carry out the the the operation,

00:01:06.480 I discovered that they'd eaten all the good jelly beans,

00:01:09.840 like all the red and orange ones were gone.

00:01:11.740 I mean, they somehow picked through all of them, left me only the purple and green ones.

00:01:15.680 And it was pretty outrageous.

00:01:17.000 I mean, everything I do for this family and here I am left with purple and green jelly beans.

00:01:22.900 And so there's a new a new rule that I'm stating in this household,

00:01:25.840 which is you will save the good jelly beans for dead.

00:01:28.980 OK, that's just that's just the way it's going to be.

00:01:31.160 Now, I know you might say, well, you know,

00:01:33.720 why don't you just go out and buy your own bag of jelly beans?

00:01:35.920 You can buy as much jelly beans as you want.

00:01:37.660 Well, and sometimes it does seem like we forget that we can do that as adults.

00:01:42.260 Like it's it's you get really excited about stealing your kids Halloween candy,

00:01:46.040 going through their bag when they're when they're asleep and, you know,

00:01:48.840 trying to find the little small Snicker bars and stuff.

00:01:51.020 And it's almost like you forget that, well, you could just go to the grocery store

00:01:54.480 and buy all the Snicker bars you want.

00:01:56.300 You're a grown up.

00:01:57.120 That's you can do that now.

00:01:59.440 But what you don't understand is that unless you're a parent, it's hard to understand this.

00:02:03.220 But stealing stolen candy from your kids tastes so much better than regular candy.

00:02:09.980 There's something about the act of stealing it that makes it just sweeter.

00:02:14.860 It's like a flavor enhancement.

00:02:16.320 I can't really explain it, but that's just how it is.

00:02:19.200 So now, unfortunately, no flavor enhancement can make purple jelly beans OK.

00:02:23.520 And so nothing will ever balance out this injustice that I have suffered.

00:02:29.580 But I won't harp on that too much.

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00:04:39.440 All right, tragedy in Sri Lanka on Easter as 290 people have been murdered

00:04:45.940 in a series of seven suicide bombing blasts,

00:04:49.080 killing Christians at a number of churches.

00:04:51.780 There were also a blast at other places, including a hotel.

00:04:55.840 Government officials in the country have already pointed to an Islamic terror group

00:05:00.080 called National Thawik Jayomath.

00:05:04.020 I'm probably mispronouncing that,

00:05:05.760 but that's an Islamic terror group in the country that they're aware of

00:05:10.900 and a bit on their radar screen.

00:05:13.620 And so that's who they're pointing to in the early stages here.

00:05:16.380 And this is the reality for Christians, okay, for many Christians outside of the U.S.

00:05:22.780 And it's easy for us to get complacent in this country to forget

00:05:25.900 that our Christian brothers and sisters have to worry about these kinds of things

00:05:32.120 when they head out the door for church on Sunday, especially on a day like Easter.

00:05:37.300 You know, we don't have to really worry about this.

00:05:39.980 I mean, there have been attacks in this country as well, including just last year.

00:05:46.860 But generally speaking, it's not the same as it is in other parts of the world,

00:05:51.320 especially, as I said, on these high holy days.

00:05:55.760 You think about it was just two years ago on Palm Sunday in Egypt.

00:06:01.260 Well over 100 Christians were killed in suicide bombings at churches.

00:06:04.860 And now, of course, it's happening on Easter.

00:06:08.300 What I want to emphasize here, first of all, is that while this is an enormous tragedy,

00:06:13.720 it is not a unique occurrence, okay?

00:06:17.340 Attacks on Christians, especially by Islamists,

00:06:21.620 have been an utterly routine thing for a very long time.

00:06:24.320 The group Open Doors has some statistics on its website.

00:06:29.100 It says, each month, okay, these are statistics, monthly statistics.

00:06:36.780 Each month on average, 345 Christians are killed for their faith.

00:06:42.040 105 churches or other Christian buildings are burned or attacked.

00:06:46.280 Over 200 Christians are arrested and detained without trial.

00:06:49.520 That's each month, okay?

00:06:51.940 So this, as I said, is a reality of life for many Christians worldwide.

00:06:55.580 And it's important for us to recognize that.

00:07:02.340 Christians are, by far, certainly among the most persecuted group in the entire world.

00:07:12.300 And so think about even, this should be something that is a motivation to us,

00:07:19.560 first of all, as Christians in this country,

00:07:21.560 not just to pray for our persecuted brothers and sisters,

00:07:25.580 which we should be doing,

00:07:27.180 and not just to lend our help and our resources to them,

00:07:31.820 which we should also be doing.

00:07:33.980 So we need to be doing two of those things, those two things.

00:07:36.700 But the third thing that we can do

00:07:38.360 in response to the persecution suffered by Christians overseas 1.00

00:07:42.460 is to stop being such lazy cowards. 1.00

00:07:46.860 You know, that's another thing we could do. 0.96

00:07:48.560 So, I mean, think about how much of an effort it is for us

00:07:52.880 to just get ourselves to get up and go to church on a Sunday, you know?

00:07:58.280 And we're looking for a million excuses.

00:08:00.440 And, you know, you'd rather stay home, sleep in, watch TV, whatever.

00:08:04.620 Meanwhile, for us, going to church, it's, you know, it's a 10-minute drive.

00:08:08.120 You go in, it's air conditioning.

00:08:10.420 Maybe afterwards, they have some, you know, food and drink in the church basement.

00:08:15.220 Or even, there might even be food and drink during church,

00:08:18.380 depending on which church you're going to these days.

00:08:21.360 And so it's just, it's all, it's a perfectly wonderful, comfortable experience.

00:08:26.440 No risk at all.

00:08:28.680 It takes, you know, an hour of your time.

00:08:31.540 You know, maybe a little bit more than that.

00:08:33.820 But still, somehow, it's too much for a lot of us.

00:08:37.080 We don't want to put that kind of effort into our faith

00:08:40.000 and into communing together as Christians.

00:08:42.520 Well, think about overseas.

00:08:45.680 You know, not only are they going often to far less comfortable churches

00:08:48.980 that are a lot further away.

00:08:51.320 And a lot of these countries, places like Sri Lanka, okay?

00:08:53.880 They're not going to have 10 churches on every block

00:08:56.600 like we do in some places in America.

00:08:59.740 So you're going a lot further.

00:09:01.040 Churches are going to be a lot less comfortable.

00:09:02.420 And most pressingly of all,

00:09:05.300 you know that you live in a hostile environment 0.96

00:09:09.500 where there are radical Muslim militants all around. 0.85

00:09:13.900 And it's just a matter of time before your church is targeted. 0.62

00:09:17.800 And yet they still go.

00:09:20.360 Even in spite of that.

00:09:22.640 While we just can't be bothered.

00:09:25.360 So I think that's something that we should be doing as Christians.

00:09:30.220 That's one way that we should be motivated.

00:09:32.060 To actually care about our faith.

00:09:33.820 Try to live according to it.

00:09:35.340 Take part in it.

00:09:37.400 And expend maybe just a little bit of effort in being Christian.

00:09:41.280 That's one thing I take from it.

00:09:46.000 Another thing.

00:09:46.660 The fact that Christians are targeted so often

00:09:52.640 and on such a wide scale,

00:09:55.660 that's what makes it all the more important

00:09:58.380 to actually acknowledge what's happening

00:10:01.480 and who the victims are.

00:10:03.760 And that is why it's a problem

00:10:05.560 when prominent and influential people refuse to do that.

00:10:09.520 Okay, so yesterday, shortly after the news broke of the attacks,

00:10:12.540 several prominent Democrats released their

00:10:15.060 canned statements of remorse.

00:10:18.820 But they all used a certain phrase

00:10:21.120 that has since gotten a lot of attention.

00:10:23.300 Let me pull up the...

00:10:25.800 So this is Barack Obama.

00:10:28.760 This is what he tweeted yesterday.

00:10:30.100 He said,

00:10:30.380 The attacks on tourists and Easter worshipers in Sri Lanka

00:10:33.800 are an attack on humanity.

00:10:36.500 On a day devoted to love, redemption, and renewal,

00:10:39.380 we pray for the victims and stand with the people of Sri Lanka.

00:10:43.520 Here's Hillary Clinton. 1.00

00:10:45.060 On this holy weekend for many faiths,

00:10:47.080 we must stand united against hatred and violence.

00:10:49.840 I'm praying for everyone affected by today's horrific attacks

00:10:52.500 on Easter worshipers and travelers in Sri Lanka.

00:10:56.360 Julian Castro.

00:10:57.780 On a day of redemption and hope,

00:10:59.700 the evil of these attacks on Easter worshipers

00:11:02.020 and tourists in Sri Lanka is deeply saddening.

00:11:04.900 My prayers today are with the dead and injured

00:11:06.760 and their families.

00:11:08.020 May we find grace.

00:11:09.280 And there were several other tweets like that from Democrats.

00:11:15.380 Easter worshipers.

00:11:18.100 The word Christian doesn't appear in any of these statements.

00:11:23.560 They are Easter worshipers.

00:11:25.640 Now, if just one of them had used that odd phrase,

00:11:31.420 not a phrase that you hear often at all.

00:11:33.800 I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that before.

00:11:36.100 Easter worshipers.

00:11:38.200 But if just one of them had used that phrase,

00:11:40.220 then I would say,

00:11:40.820 okay, well, it's a weird choice of words.

00:11:42.920 Not much else going on there.

00:11:44.380 The fact that Obama and Clinton and Castro

00:11:46.960 and several other Democrats

00:11:49.240 all seized on this one phrase

00:11:51.620 at roughly the same time

00:11:53.440 and phrased it basically the same way,

00:11:56.040 that tells me that this is calculated.

00:11:59.200 Now, this has drawn some comparisons

00:12:02.220 to Ilhan Omar's tweet about Notre Dame,

00:12:05.740 the Notre Dame Cathedral fire.

00:12:07.480 If you'll remember last week,

00:12:08.960 when that happened,

00:12:11.120 she sent out a tweet talking about

00:12:12.840 the art and architecture,

00:12:14.720 but didn't specifically call it a church

00:12:16.620 or discuss its spiritual significance.

00:12:20.060 And she was getting a lot of criticism for that.

00:12:22.360 Now, I defended Omar on that

00:12:23.840 because it was a perfectly normal and fine tweet.

00:12:26.260 And as a Muslim,

00:12:27.080 I don't really expect her to extol

00:12:28.820 the spiritual virtues of a church

00:12:31.120 because she's a Muslim

00:12:32.680 and it doesn't have any spiritual significance to her. 1.00

00:12:36.520 So I thought that criticism was stupid. 0.99

00:12:39.360 This is different though. 0.99

00:12:40.880 Okay, because this seems very much like

00:12:42.820 a decision was made to avoid using the word Christian

00:12:45.800 and instead to adopt a kind of bizarre euphemism.

00:12:48.940 Now, why do that?

00:12:50.000 Well, because Christians are not an approved victim group.

00:12:54.200 These people, Obama, Clinton, Castro, et cetera,

00:12:57.160 they don't want us to immediately associate Christian

00:13:01.200 with victim.

00:13:03.120 They want, if anything, the opposite sort of association.

00:13:06.060 They want us to associate Christians 0.99

00:13:07.480 with terrorists and bullies. 0.98

00:13:09.820 But if Christians are victims, 0.94

00:13:11.100 that throws a wrench in the whole narrative.

00:13:12.800 And that's the reason why they chose Easter worshipers instead.

00:13:16.900 And I am 100% convinced that that was a decision,

00:13:20.340 a calculated decision that was made.

00:13:23.580 Now, of course, we all know when they say Easter worship,

00:13:26.160 we know what they mean.

00:13:27.500 We know that people who worship on Easter are Christians.

00:13:29.680 But the idea is to blunt the emotional,

00:13:33.700 visceral reaction you get from hearing Christians were attacked.

00:13:37.600 They don't want that reaction.

00:13:39.640 So the idea is to make it sound as vague and ambiguous as possible.

00:13:43.920 And yeah, that's a problem.

00:13:45.060 If you don't think it's a problem, think about this.

00:13:48.000 Imagine, think about after the Orlando attack

00:13:52.440 at the gay nightclub in Orlando back in 2016 or 15.

00:13:59.980 Well, imagine if Obama had called it an attack on bar hoppers

00:14:05.760 or on club attendees or something in that vein 0.83

00:14:10.000 and had made no mention that they were gay people

00:14:12.980 chosen as victims for that fact.

00:14:16.920 Well, he wouldn't do that.

00:14:19.080 And he didn't do that.

00:14:19.920 Politicians, especially on the left, but on the right as well,

00:14:24.760 made sure to specifically mention the LGBT community

00:14:28.000 and homophobia and so on.

00:14:31.020 And at the very beginning, they were making it about that.

00:14:36.380 And for good reason.

00:14:38.820 Maybe a better analogy actually would be,

00:14:41.300 just because it's more recent,

00:14:43.500 would be the attacks at the mosques in New Zealand.

00:14:49.920 Last month.

00:14:50.940 Here's what,

00:14:52.440 so there were two mosques were attacked

00:14:57.100 in those horrible attacks.

00:14:59.700 And here's what Obama and Clinton said

00:15:04.740 after those attacks.

00:15:05.840 Obama said,

00:15:06.760 Michelle and I send our condolences

00:15:09.140 to the people of New Zealand.

00:15:10.600 We grieve with you and the Muslim community.

00:15:13.200 All of us must stand against hatred in all its forms.

00:15:16.280 Hillary.

00:15:18.800 My heart breaks for New Zealand and the global Muslim community. 1.00

00:15:22.620 We must continue the fight to fight the perpetuation

00:15:25.580 and normalization of Islamophobia and racism in all its forms. 0.98

00:15:29.460 White supremacist terrorists must be condemned by leaders everywhere. 0.99

00:15:33.140 Their murderous hatred must be stopped. 0.99

00:15:35.180 Well, that gives up the game right there, doesn't it?

00:15:41.180 There was obviously a decision that was made

00:15:43.680 to make sure to mention Muslim and Islamophobia, 0.76

00:15:47.980 white supremacism. 0.79

00:15:50.820 And there was obviously a decision

00:15:52.520 not to mention specifics yesterday.

00:15:54.480 Okay, so you just,

00:15:57.260 you can't compare,

00:15:59.240 I don't see how anyone could compare Hillary's tweet

00:16:02.420 about the church attacks

00:16:05.380 to her tweet about the mosque attacks

00:16:07.000 and not see a problem.

00:16:08.760 It's very clear.

00:16:10.700 Okay.

00:16:12.520 What she did not say,

00:16:14.180 what she made a point of not saying is,

00:16:16.880 this is an attack on Christians. 0.96

00:16:19.480 Islamic terrorism must be condemned everywhere. 1.00

00:16:22.660 It's a worldwide scourge. 0.99

00:16:24.680 Even though that's true,

00:16:26.660 she didn't say it.

00:16:29.000 I mean, the very fact that the term Islamophobia exists

00:16:32.920 and Christophobia doesn't really exist,

00:16:36.900 or no one really uses it, 0.96

00:16:38.980 even though Christians are killed by Muslims for their faith, 0.88

00:16:41.360 far, far, far more than the reverse, 0.88

00:16:43.660 that tells you everything you need to know right there.

00:16:46.360 It's all about narrative building.

00:16:48.060 And that's all that these Democrats care about

00:16:54.580 in any given situation.

00:16:57.860 And the whole idea of victimhood

00:17:00.220 is so valuable to them

00:17:02.480 and so precious

00:17:04.120 that they guard it

00:17:08.340 and they will not allow the wrong groups into that camp.

00:17:12.840 They just won't allow it.

00:17:14.760 And so even if there are hundreds of Christians 0.99

00:17:16.640 being killed every single month

00:17:17.980 for their faith across the world, 0.99

00:17:19.820 and most of the time by Muslims,

00:17:22.380 they just, they can't,

00:17:24.160 they can't acknowledge that.

00:17:26.740 They never will. 0.99

00:17:29.820 And that is cowardly and disgusting. 0.96

00:17:34.160 And, I mean, 0.98

00:17:35.420 it would be hard to go overboard in condemning it

00:17:37.420 once you understand what this is really coming from

00:17:40.100 or what, you know,

00:17:42.360 what the real motivation is.

00:17:45.980 Meanwhile, I think it would be hypocritical

00:17:47.780 not to mention this as well,

00:17:49.620 since we're on the subject of bad tweets on Easter.

00:17:53.480 Here was Donald Trump's Twitter message on Easter.

00:17:56.920 He said,

00:17:57.480 Happy Easter.

00:17:58.700 I've never been happier or more content

00:18:00.540 because your country is doing so well

00:18:02.260 with an economy that is the talk of the world

00:18:04.340 and may be stronger than it has ever been before.

00:18:07.200 Have a great day.

00:18:08.180 No mention of Jesus.

00:18:12.800 No mention of Christianity.

00:18:15.160 His Easter message is about himself.

00:18:17.900 And that's all he said on the subject

00:18:19.680 on Twitter yesterday.

00:18:21.100 He spent the rest of the day talking about himself.

00:18:22.900 He spent the rest of Easter.

00:18:23.820 I mean, Easter Sunday.

00:18:24.640 He's on, he's just ranting on Twitter about himself

00:18:26.640 and about Mueller.

00:18:28.600 He did send one tweet about the church attacks.

00:18:31.020 He also made no mention of Christians in his tweet.

00:18:33.400 He just said people were attacked.

00:18:35.380 And originally he said 138 million people were killed.

00:18:38.700 And then, I mean, that's a heck of a typo.

00:18:41.220 Went back and changed it.

00:18:43.440 So, I mean, look, let's just be real here, guys.

00:18:47.740 If Obama had tweeted this exact thing on Easter

00:18:51.220 during his presidency,

00:18:52.940 he had tweeted out an Easter message

00:18:54.960 that was completely about himself

00:18:57.020 and his own successes

00:18:58.700 and made no mention at all

00:19:00.800 of any of the holidays' actual meaning or significance, 0.93

00:19:03.860 we would have lost our freaking minds. 0.59

00:19:06.240 And we know it.

00:19:07.280 Okay, so I'm not losing my mind over this.

00:19:09.340 I wouldn't have lost my mind over that.

00:19:10.680 But I don't lose my mind about tweets in general. 1.00

00:19:13.000 But it is stupid, narcissistic nonsense. 1.00

00:19:17.160 And it shows yet again 1.00

00:19:18.400 that Trump cannot manage to care about anything

00:19:20.920 that does not directly relate to himself.

00:19:23.340 And I'm not a fan of that.

00:19:25.400 And I don't think that's a good thing.

00:19:27.760 And I think it's a thing worthy of condemnation.

00:19:31.740 And I'm not gonna let it slide

00:19:33.140 just because it's a Republican.

00:19:34.240 I know most people will.

00:19:35.380 I'm not gonna do that.

00:19:38.260 This tweet from a Democrat

00:19:39.600 would send the right into conniptions.

00:19:42.100 And you know it, and I know it,

00:19:43.660 and everyone knows it.

00:19:44.580 I mean, everyone's right now,

00:19:46.380 within earshot of me,

00:19:47.720 knows that I'm 100% right about that, right?

00:19:50.820 So I think it should,

00:19:53.240 therefore provoke at least

00:19:54.820 some kind of reaction from us now.

00:19:56.800 Like, hey, you know, why not?

00:19:58.480 I mean, can you say something

00:19:59.680 about what the holiday actually means?

00:20:01.760 You're supposedly a Christian yourself.

00:20:04.780 So the Hillary and Obama tweets 0.99

00:20:07.420 were cowardly PC nonsense. 1.00

00:20:09.160 The Trump tweet is narcissistic nonsense. 1.00

00:20:11.460 And that's what we get. 1.00

00:20:12.940 Cowardice and narcissism from our ruling class.

00:20:17.540 That's all we can expect from them,

00:20:19.360 as always.

00:20:21.040 Wonderful.

00:20:21.520 Okay, moving on. 0.93

00:20:27.160 Speaking of cowardice and nonsense 0.58

00:20:30.040 and everything else, 0.80

00:20:31.260 let's take a look at this.

00:20:34.580 Because I think it's interesting.

00:20:36.040 We can see kind of the anatomy of a smear.

00:20:40.960 It can be grotesque to inspect,

00:20:43.620 but also instructive.

00:20:45.600 And in this case,

00:20:47.020 the person being smeared is yours truly.

00:20:49.060 So let's back up for a moment.

00:20:52.980 A few days ago on the show,

00:20:55.560 during the email portion of the show at the end,

00:21:00.120 I answered a question from somebody

00:21:01.960 who wanted to know

00:21:02.880 how I could support the abolition of abortion

00:21:04.880 while opposing gay adoption.

00:21:07.280 Now, if that seems like kind of a non sequitur to you,

00:21:09.700 as if, okay,

00:21:10.900 those two issues aren't related,

00:21:12.500 well, you're right.

00:21:13.200 But I can tell you I get this question a lot,

00:21:16.460 especially during Q&As on college campuses.

00:21:19.840 It comes up every single time without exaggeration.

00:21:23.300 And the logic is that,

00:21:25.380 well, if we abolish abortion,

00:21:28.320 we're going to end up with a whole bunch of new babies 1.00

00:21:30.920 in the adoption system, 0.88

00:21:31.900 and then we're going to need gay couples 0.99

00:21:33.820 to come in and adopt some of these kids 0.98

00:21:36.360 so that they don't end up

00:21:37.360 languishing in the system for years on end.

00:21:42.300 So as the logic goes,

00:21:44.280 if you can call it that, 1.00

00:21:45.440 well, you're a hypocrite 1.00

00:21:46.500 if you oppose gay adoption 1.00

00:21:48.200 while wanting to abolish abortion,

00:21:51.340 because that means you'd be consigning

00:21:53.220 these kids to the adoption system,

00:21:54.760 which even if that were true, 0.99

00:21:57.040 that would still be preferable to killing them. 0.98

00:22:00.600 Okay, it's still better. 0.99

00:22:01.560 It's better to be in the adoption system than dead.

00:22:05.260 So let's just be clear about that, number one.

00:22:11.340 But there are a lot of problems with the question

00:22:14.000 and the assumptions behind it.

00:22:16.160 And I answer the question the same way that I always do.

00:22:19.640 First, I pointed out that it's a myth

00:22:21.500 that babies who go up for adoption

00:22:23.800 could stay in the system for years.

00:22:25.360 They don't.

00:22:26.280 They won't.

00:22:27.220 It really doesn't happen.

00:22:28.980 It can be hard to get an older child adopted.

00:22:32.180 That's true.

00:22:33.180 But infants are adopted easily

00:22:35.600 because there's a waiting list

00:22:37.000 like 50 miles long of people who are,

00:22:40.260 of families who are qualified.

00:22:43.180 They've filled out all the paperwork.

00:22:44.960 They paid the money

00:22:45.620 and they're eager to adopt an infant.

00:22:48.220 There's a very, very long waiting list

00:22:50.880 of families in that position.

00:22:52.680 And families will wait for years

00:22:54.320 for the opportunity to adopt an infant.

00:22:57.560 It is, it's more difficult to get,

00:23:02.260 and that's, so in this scenario

00:23:04.400 where abortion is made illegal

00:23:06.460 and then there's supposedly going to be

00:23:08.620 this influx of children up for adoption,

00:23:13.200 well, those are going to be babies, right?

00:23:15.000 It's not like abortion is abolished

00:23:18.180 and then that means everyone keeps their kids

00:23:19.880 for five years and then puts them up for adoption.

00:23:21.580 So we're talking about babies in the system

00:23:23.440 and babies get adopted.

00:23:25.140 The reason why, unfortunately, sadly,

00:23:27.160 it can be harder to get older children adopted is,

00:23:30.620 well, there are a number of reasons.

00:23:31.660 Number one, families, a lot of families,

00:23:34.400 they want to adopt an infant

00:23:35.560 so they can form that bond right away.

00:23:38.440 And of course, with older children,

00:23:41.000 sometimes, you know,

00:23:41.760 if you have already have kids,

00:23:44.500 if you have younger kids

00:23:45.380 and you're worried about,

00:23:47.100 there are just other concerns

00:23:48.200 that come into play

00:23:49.180 that aren't really there for babies. 1.00

00:23:53.920 So that's the first thing.

00:23:55.840 Second point,

00:23:57.100 I pointed out that both mother and father

00:23:59.580 are indispensable.

00:24:01.540 A child needs both.

00:24:03.660 So if we're talking about two men adopting,

00:24:06.560 it seems that we're saying

00:24:08.340 that the mother is expendable.

00:24:10.320 And if we're talking about two women adopting,

00:24:12.800 then it seems that we're saying

00:24:13.740 that the father is expendable.

00:24:15.340 We're saying, well, you know,

00:24:16.220 you don't really need that.

00:24:18.880 I think that neither is expendable.

00:24:21.080 And that's a biological fact.

00:24:22.860 It's got nothing to do with

00:24:23.880 with any moral judgments

00:24:25.200 about homosexuality or whatever.

00:24:27.200 The point being,

00:24:28.600 you don't need to even,

00:24:30.400 you don't need to be a Christian.

00:24:32.540 You don't need to believe in,

00:24:34.040 you know, biblical sexual morality

00:24:36.380 to see the point here.

00:24:38.800 This is about biology.

00:24:40.780 That every single child

00:24:42.340 has a mother and father.

00:24:46.220 Naturally, biologically.

00:24:48.300 And if their mother,

00:24:49.420 if their biological parents

00:24:50.680 are unwilling or unable

00:24:51.940 to care for them,

00:24:53.720 then the most natural

00:24:55.640 and the healthiest thing

00:24:57.800 is to find them

00:24:58.820 a new mother and father.

00:25:01.380 Not two fathers or two mothers

00:25:03.180 or one mother or one father.

00:25:06.120 Well, and as I said,

00:25:09.460 you know, there are kids

00:25:10.880 who obviously in this country

00:25:13.380 end up in different

00:25:14.260 sorts of situations.

00:25:15.140 There are kids who don't

00:25:16.200 have a mother and father.

00:25:17.800 And I mean, there are all,

00:25:19.620 there are plenty of kids

00:25:20.240 who have just, just a mother.

00:25:21.800 Sometimes kids who have

00:25:22.620 just a father,

00:25:23.540 single parent homes.

00:25:24.980 Those kids are not,

00:25:26.000 it's not like they're doomed

00:25:26.980 to be failures in life

00:25:28.420 and that their life

00:25:29.080 is going to be miserable.

00:25:29.760 I'm not saying that.

00:25:30.500 What I'm saying is

00:25:31.140 that is a disadvantage

00:25:33.220 that they have to get over

00:25:35.600 and overcome

00:25:36.760 and succeed in spite of,

00:25:38.760 which they can.

00:25:39.540 And so many of them do.

00:25:41.120 Thank God.

00:25:43.100 But if a kid's

00:25:44.680 in the adoption system

00:25:45.420 and we're trying to find

00:25:46.180 a situation for them,

00:25:48.060 don't we want to find them

00:25:49.260 the best possible situation

00:25:51.620 to give them

00:25:52.500 the best possible chance?

00:25:55.560 Well, one of the smear merchants 0.62

00:25:57.360 over at Media Matters

00:25:58.720 picked up on this segment,

00:26:00.320 I guess because they monitor this show.

00:26:03.040 So hi guys, by the way.

00:26:05.240 Great, great to have you.

00:26:06.200 And they, they summarize,

00:26:10.720 this, this guy, Jason Campbell,

00:26:12.400 his Twitter handle

00:26:14.480 at Jason S. Campbell,

00:26:16.500 C-A-M-P-B-E-L-L. 1.00

00:26:19.200 He, this is how he summarized

00:26:21.660 the point that I made.

00:26:23.540 Here's the tweet here.

00:26:24.520 I'll show it to you.

00:26:25.320 He says,

00:26:25.780 the Daily Wire's Matt Walsh

00:26:27.160 would rather have kids

00:26:28.120 in orphanages

00:26:28.940 than with same-sex parents.

00:26:30.660 So that's his characterization.

00:26:32.100 Okay.

00:26:32.580 It's not a quote.

00:26:33.640 That's his characterization

00:26:34.580 of what I said.

00:26:35.900 Well, the British publication

00:26:37.360 called The Independent,

00:26:38.680 they got wind of this

00:26:39.960 and they did their own article

00:26:41.160 and in their article

00:26:42.980 for the headline,

00:26:44.240 they use that tweet.

00:26:46.020 Okay.

00:26:46.240 They use the tweet

00:26:47.040 of some guy

00:26:47.900 giving a biased paraphrase

00:26:49.940 of what I said

00:26:51.200 and they made that the headline

00:26:52.960 as if it was my quote

00:26:54.400 when it was that guy's quote

00:26:56.060 about what I said.

00:26:57.900 So their headline

00:26:58.760 in The Independent is,

00:27:00.860 U.S. conservative says

00:27:02.160 he would rather a child

00:27:03.180 remain in an orphanage

00:27:04.420 than be adopted 0.95

00:27:05.340 by a gay couple.

00:27:06.300 Well, here's the problem.

00:27:07.240 I didn't say that.

00:27:08.720 Okay.

00:27:08.860 You could try to infer that.

00:27:10.140 You can assume

00:27:10.720 that that's what I meant.

00:27:11.620 You can try to peer

00:27:12.760 into my soul

00:27:13.820 and read my mind.

00:27:15.100 That's not what I said.

00:27:15.980 So if you're going

00:27:16.860 to put it in the headline

00:27:17.840 that U.S. conservative

00:27:21.760 says X, Y, Z,

00:27:24.340 well, it seems to me

00:27:25.040 that the thing

00:27:25.820 that you say that I said,

00:27:26.900 I should have actually said

00:27:28.080 and I didn't say that.

00:27:30.440 That is what someone else said.

00:27:32.560 So here's a shot

00:27:33.860 of the article

00:27:34.320 by Greg Evans

00:27:35.140 in The Independent.

00:27:37.420 And then they quote me

00:27:38.620 in the article verbatim

00:27:40.620 and their quote

00:27:41.900 does not support the headline.

00:27:43.480 Here's what I said verbatim

00:27:44.500 according to their own article.

00:27:45.880 I'll just read

00:27:46.540 exactly what I said.

00:27:48.200 In my mind,

00:27:49.160 every child needs

00:27:49.880 and deserves a mother 0.99

00:27:50.560 and father

00:27:50.980 and that's a biological need.

00:27:52.480 There is a reason

00:27:53.100 why every person in history

00:27:54.080 has been created

00:27:54.680 by a mother and father.

00:27:55.540 So even if you don't want

00:27:56.540 to use the word God,

00:27:57.700 let's say nature,

00:27:58.560 clearly intends for a child

00:27:59.620 to have a mother and father,

00:28:00.680 which is why every child

00:28:01.660 does have a mother and father.

00:28:03.580 What I would ask is,

00:28:05.400 what I would ask you

00:28:06.160 is if we're talking

00:28:06.720 about gay adoption,

00:28:07.800 which of the two

00:28:08.500 is expendable,

00:28:09.400 mother or father?

00:28:10.220 If we're talking about

00:28:10.920 two gay men adopting a child, 1.00

00:28:12.600 we can just get rid 1.00

00:28:13.920 of the mother

00:28:14.300 and say that a guy

00:28:15.300 can do that.

00:28:16.100 Well, a guy can't do that.

00:28:17.660 A man cannot function 1.00

00:28:18.680 as a mother.

00:28:19.220 A man can be

00:28:19.720 a very loving father,

00:28:20.660 but he cannot be a mother.

00:28:21.740 That is a role

00:28:22.280 that he can biologically

00:28:23.200 not fulfill

00:28:24.080 and there are certain

00:28:25.160 emotional and psychological needs

00:28:26.540 that a child has

00:28:27.320 that if he does not

00:28:28.260 have a mother at home,

00:28:29.260 will not be met.

00:28:30.220 That doesn't mean

00:28:30.940 the child is doomed

00:28:32.040 and can't end up

00:28:33.520 being happy

00:28:33.980 and fulfilled in life,

00:28:34.760 but he will be happy

00:28:35.560 and fulfilled

00:28:35.940 in spite of that disadvantage.

00:28:37.480 Okay, so that's

00:28:38.020 what they quote me as saying,

00:28:40.680 but that's not

00:28:42.740 what they put in the headline.

00:28:44.120 So the headline should be,

00:28:45.740 U.S. conservative

00:28:46.600 says that mothers

00:28:47.700 are indispensable.

00:28:49.840 That's the headline, right?

00:28:51.620 And that's a headline

00:28:52.740 that everyone should

00:28:53.420 be able to get behind.

00:28:56.640 But they didn't want

00:28:57.260 to put that in there

00:28:57.800 because that doesn't make

00:28:58.660 for a good headline,

00:28:59.400 I guess.

00:29:00.740 And then they go on

00:29:01.760 to say in the article,

00:29:03.420 Walsh's radical comments

00:29:05.040 have been met

00:29:05.640 with derision online

00:29:07.040 by people aghast

00:29:08.360 at his views

00:29:09.060 on gay couples

00:29:09.840 fostering children.

00:29:11.540 Radical?

00:29:12.940 What's radical about that?

00:29:14.780 Anyone want to explain

00:29:15.500 that to me?

00:29:16.780 Jason Campbell,

00:29:18.300 since you've apparently

00:29:19.480 pulled a short straw

00:29:20.340 and you have to watch my show,

00:29:22.280 what you want to explain?

00:29:24.640 Do you want to stop 0.99

00:29:25.300 being a misquoting coward 0.98

00:29:27.800 and actually address the point? 1.00

00:29:31.740 You sniveling, conniving coward, 1.00

00:29:34.980 you want to actually 1.00

00:29:35.460 give it a shot?

00:29:37.120 You want to use your brain

00:29:38.160 for 10 seconds?

00:29:40.160 Explain to me.

00:29:42.120 Explain to me.

00:29:42.720 What's radical

00:29:45.060 about the idea

00:29:45.780 that children need mothers? 0.99

00:29:47.840 Do you disagree?

00:29:49.120 Do you disagree that children,

00:29:50.200 I'm saying children need mothers, 0.99

00:29:51.880 mothers are great,

00:29:52.720 mothers are indispensable, 1.00

00:29:53.580 okay, it's kind of the message

00:29:55.120 you hear around Mother's Day

00:29:56.080 every year.

00:29:57.060 Does that scandalize you

00:29:58.300 when you hear that,

00:29:58.880 Jason Campbell?

00:29:59.600 Does it scandalize you

00:30:00.460 to hear that mothers

00:30:02.020 are indispensable

00:30:02.720 and are great

00:30:03.240 and children need them?

00:30:04.380 Do you disagree?

00:30:05.220 Well, explain to me why.

00:30:07.580 Just come out and say that,

00:30:08.760 yeah, I mean,

00:30:09.060 a man can do everything

00:30:09.960 a mother can do. 1.00

00:30:10.520 You don't really even need mothers. 0.99

00:30:11.500 It left people aghast.

00:30:18.720 They're aghast

00:30:19.560 that someone said

00:30:20.320 children need mothers. 1.00

00:30:21.260 I am aghast

00:30:22.080 at this biological fact

00:30:24.060 that cannot be denied.

00:30:27.660 But this, of course,

00:30:28.600 is how the media operates.

00:30:29.740 I'm not surprised by it,

00:30:31.720 but that doesn't make it any better.

00:30:34.660 It's frustrating for me

00:30:43.920 because I enjoy

00:30:45.480 having discussions

00:30:48.020 about these kinds of issues.

00:30:49.740 And so I would love

00:30:50.900 if somebody would step up

00:30:52.880 to the plate

00:30:53.400 and provide

00:30:54.900 some kind of counterpoint

00:30:56.900 because I would love

00:30:58.660 to hear what it is.

00:31:01.060 I can't even imagine

00:31:02.600 what it could be.

00:31:03.160 I mean, how could you possibly

00:31:04.780 argue against

00:31:06.420 the basic idea

00:31:07.960 that the most ideal situation

00:31:09.840 is for a child

00:31:10.380 to have a mother and father?

00:31:11.380 I mean, it seems to me

00:31:12.560 I've got everything on my side,

00:31:13.660 including nature.

00:31:15.400 I've got nature.

00:31:16.420 I've got, you know,

00:31:17.440 all of human history on my side.

00:31:19.620 I mean, it seems like

00:31:20.460 I've got a lot going for me here

00:31:22.260 in making this point.

00:31:23.780 So I'm just curious

00:31:25.000 what the

00:31:25.760 mothers are expendable crowd 1.00

00:31:27.580 would say.

00:31:28.320 I don't even know

00:31:28.820 what they would say

00:31:29.460 because they don't bother

00:31:30.920 making any point.

00:31:31.880 All they do is just

00:31:32.780 cry and freak out.

00:31:34.560 Did you hear what he said?

00:31:35.700 Oh my gosh.

00:31:36.520 I'm a guest.

00:31:37.700 I'm a guest at this.

00:31:42.780 And by the way,

00:31:43.500 that's how

00:31:43.780 everyone in media matters.

00:31:45.040 That's how I imagine them.

00:31:46.140 That's how I imagine

00:31:46.680 them saying everything

00:31:47.380 is what they just

00:31:47.900 they're constantly

00:31:48.940 in the process of fainting.

00:31:54.140 So I'm waiting.

00:31:55.240 You know, if anyone wants

00:31:55.980 to step up to the plate

00:31:56.980 and offer a

00:31:57.820 some sort of

00:31:59.580 rebuttal

00:32:01.000 and I'd be fascinated

00:32:02.120 to hear it.

00:32:03.420 All right.

00:32:05.440 Let's

00:32:05.920 jump ahead

00:32:09.180 to emails.

00:32:11.680 MattWalshshow

00:32:12.200 at gmail.com

00:32:13.180 MattWalshshow

00:32:13.760 at gmail.com

00:32:14.680 This is from JP

00:32:18.640 says,

00:32:19.180 Dear Mr. Walsh,

00:32:20.260 eventual dictator

00:32:21.080 of America,

00:32:21.900 I am taking issue

00:32:23.120 with something you said

00:32:23.960 on today's show.

00:32:24.640 You said that McDonald's

00:32:26.260 is the best

00:32:26.880 fast food restaurant

00:32:27.880 when in fact

00:32:28.440 it is an undeniable fact

00:32:29.560 that Chick-fil-A

00:32:30.120 is the greatest

00:32:30.560 fast food restaurant.

00:32:31.420 If your dictatorship

00:32:32.280 is one that holds

00:32:33.220 McDonald's above Chick-fil-A,

00:32:34.580 I'm not sure

00:32:35.300 it's a dictatorship

00:32:35.900 I want to live in.

00:32:37.380 Well, JP,

00:32:38.140 I have good news.

00:32:39.720 With this kind

00:32:40.540 of insubordination,

00:32:41.560 you won't have to worry

00:32:42.580 about living

00:32:43.420 under my dictatorship.

00:32:45.440 I will take care

00:32:46.120 of that problem

00:32:46.680 for you swiftly.

00:32:48.820 I assure you,

00:32:49.980 though probably

00:32:50.540 not painlessly.

00:32:54.640 This is from Lisa

00:32:56.220 says,

00:32:56.560 Greetings, Matt.

00:32:57.200 As a Catholic,

00:32:58.060 do you believe

00:32:58.580 that all the supposed

00:32:59.440 real relics

00:33:00.520 paraded by the Catholic Church,

00:33:01.860 crown of thorns,

00:33:02.580 pieces of the cross,

00:33:03.520 nails from the cross,

00:33:04.240 etc.,

00:33:04.760 are actually real?

00:33:05.820 If not,

00:33:06.320 are you a rare form

00:33:07.380 of Catholic

00:33:07.800 in this regard?

00:33:09.160 Seeing as many churches

00:33:10.120 claim to have certain relics

00:33:11.360 that they couldn't

00:33:11.900 all possibly have,

00:33:13.480 how do you decide

00:33:14.320 which ones are actually real

00:33:15.540 and which ones aren't?

00:33:16.920 I could be wrong on this,

00:33:17.940 but my understanding

00:33:18.520 is that Protestants 0.64

00:33:19.220 don't think those relics

00:33:20.180 are real.

00:33:20.540 To be clear,

00:33:21.040 obviously we acknowledge

00:33:21.900 that they existed

00:33:22.600 at one point,

00:33:23.580 just not that they've

00:33:24.260 necessarily been preserved

00:33:25.340 and are on display

00:33:26.300 in churches today.

00:33:27.280 Would be curious

00:33:27.800 to hear a Catholic

00:33:28.360 perspective on this.

00:33:29.580 Thanks and love the show.

00:33:31.840 Hi, Lisa.

00:33:34.920 I don't really have

00:33:36.200 a blanket policy

00:33:37.260 when it comes to relics.

00:33:38.260 I think that

00:33:38.820 some of them

00:33:39.900 are probably real

00:33:40.800 and some probably aren't.

00:33:42.160 It depends.

00:33:44.540 I'd have to look

00:33:45.340 at the history

00:33:45.880 of any particular relic

00:33:47.140 before I came

00:33:48.440 to a tentative conclusion

00:33:50.440 about whether or not

00:33:51.060 I believe it's real.

00:33:51.760 But no,

00:33:52.740 I don't just automatically

00:33:53.780 believe that anything

00:33:54.900 is an ancient holy relic

00:33:56.120 just because someone

00:33:57.000 says it is

00:33:57.540 or because it's

00:33:58.400 enclosed in glass

00:33:59.740 somewhere at a church.

00:34:02.700 And it's not like,

00:34:03.880 you know,

00:34:04.220 and we are,

00:34:05.800 you know,

00:34:06.720 we're not required

00:34:07.620 to affirm that.

00:34:08.860 And I know you didn't

00:34:10.580 make that claim.

00:34:11.420 I just wanted to clarify

00:34:12.220 because it seems like

00:34:13.180 there really are

00:34:14.200 a lot of non-Catholics 0.99

00:34:15.480 who think that

00:34:16.140 as Catholics

00:34:17.760 we are required

00:34:18.940 to believe

00:34:19.980 all of these

00:34:21.040 random things.

00:34:22.920 You know,

00:34:23.100 any claim

00:34:24.900 that's made

00:34:25.420 by any church

00:34:26.180 or any relic

00:34:27.200 or any miracle

00:34:27.780 that's like,

00:34:28.300 we have to believe

00:34:28.940 all that

00:34:29.240 and that's simply

00:34:30.360 not the case.

00:34:31.020 We,

00:34:31.920 just like you,

00:34:33.120 we are able

00:34:34.680 to use our own judgment

00:34:35.880 and decide

00:34:36.500 if we believe

00:34:37.480 these things or not.

00:34:40.220 The most that the church

00:34:41.420 will do

00:34:41.780 with a lot of this stuff,

00:34:43.140 including especially

00:34:44.280 miracle claims,

00:34:45.120 and if someone

00:34:46.940 claims a miracle,

00:34:47.840 then the church

00:34:48.720 will,

00:34:49.400 has a whole process

00:34:50.280 of looking into it

00:34:51.040 and very,

00:34:51.800 very often,

00:34:52.320 probably 99%

00:34:53.640 of the time,

00:34:54.280 the church will say,

00:34:55.180 no,

00:34:56.160 you know,

00:34:56.520 it doesn't appear

00:34:57.200 to be a miracle.

00:34:58.020 And then you got

00:34:58.620 that 1% of the time

00:34:59.680 and in those,

00:35:00.860 in those cases,

00:35:02.080 most of the time,

00:35:02.900 the most of the church

00:35:03.400 will do is say that,

00:35:05.080 okay,

00:35:05.360 you know,

00:35:05.700 we've looked into this

00:35:06.500 and this is a miracle

00:35:07.880 worthy of belief.

00:35:09.000 You don't have to believe it,

00:35:09.900 but we've looked into it

00:35:11.700 and seems to be a miracle.

00:35:14.100 But at the end of the day,

00:35:15.200 you can form your own conclusion.

00:35:17.960 So,

00:35:18.860 so that's kind of where I am

00:35:21.820 with,

00:35:22.200 with,

00:35:22.660 with relics.

00:35:25.520 Here's an example.

00:35:26.300 This isn't really a,

00:35:27.080 I don't know if I'd call it

00:35:27.660 a relic per se,

00:35:29.080 but I was just talking

00:35:30.160 to my family about this

00:35:31.040 yesterday at Easter.

00:35:33.460 This claim,

00:35:34.300 because some people

00:35:34.820 in my family

00:35:35.200 just came back from,

00:35:36.040 from Italy.

00:35:37.300 And I was asking them

00:35:39.080 about this.

00:35:40.220 There's this claim

00:35:41.160 that I only recently

00:35:42.560 heard about that

00:35:43.680 the Holy Family's house

00:35:46.520 was airlifted

00:35:48.260 out of Nazareth

00:35:49.100 by angels

00:35:51.280 in the 13th century

00:35:52.600 and transported to Italy

00:35:54.000 where it stands today.

00:35:55.760 And,

00:35:56.280 and people go

00:35:57.000 and they visit it.

00:35:59.380 A Pope in the 1200s

00:36:01.020 announced basically

00:36:01.860 that the Holy Family's house

00:36:03.300 had appeared there

00:36:04.200 in Italy

00:36:04.560 as a miracle.

00:36:05.920 Angels had brought it.

00:36:06.680 So I was asking

00:36:08.600 some people in my family

00:36:09.340 about this

00:36:09.720 and we got into

00:36:10.080 a debate about it.

00:36:11.020 Do I believe that,

00:36:12.100 that angels transported

00:36:13.600 a house to Nazareth?

00:36:15.040 No, I don't.

00:36:15.580 I really don't believe it. 0.85

00:36:16.600 I think it's kind of silly

00:36:17.380 to be honest.

00:36:18.700 I don't think there's

00:36:19.380 any evidence,

00:36:20.140 any reason to believe it.

00:36:22.180 There should be evidence

00:36:23.180 for something like,

00:36:23.700 like, for instance,

00:36:24.460 there should be,

00:36:25.720 if this house existed

00:36:27.200 in the Middle East

00:36:29.380 for,

00:36:29.880 for 1200 years,

00:36:32.760 then people should have

00:36:34.100 known about it.

00:36:34.720 And then one day

00:36:35.260 they should have shown up

00:36:36.140 to pay their respects

00:36:37.220 at the Holy Family's house.

00:36:38.260 And, oh, look at that.

00:36:38.820 It's gone, right?

00:36:41.040 But I'm not aware

00:36:42.020 of anything like that.

00:36:42.960 It just,

00:36:44.220 this house just

00:36:45.440 appeared one day

00:36:46.900 in Italy

00:36:47.720 and someone said

00:36:48.720 it was the Holy Family's house.

00:36:49.400 So that,

00:36:50.280 I don't believe that.

00:36:51.980 But do I believe,

00:36:53.560 for instance,

00:36:54.180 that Notre Dame

00:36:55.220 had pieces

00:36:55.820 of the Crown of Thorns?

00:36:57.620 Yeah,

00:36:58.220 sure, I do.

00:37:00.280 I can't know for sure,

00:37:01.780 but I think there is

00:37:03.280 a history

00:37:03.720 that you can trace

00:37:04.660 and with a lot

00:37:06.180 of these relics,

00:37:06.920 not all of them,

00:37:08.100 but with a lot of them,

00:37:09.280 you can trace the history

00:37:10.660 pretty far back.

00:37:13.860 You know,

00:37:14.120 you can look at

00:37:14.940 a documented history

00:37:15.820 that goes back

00:37:16.440 to the early centuries

00:37:17.520 of the church

00:37:18.100 and sometimes even more

00:37:19.640 and can get even closer

00:37:21.080 to Christ than that.

00:37:22.420 And when you've got

00:37:22.980 something like that,

00:37:23.960 then I think it's

00:37:26.060 worthy of belief.

00:37:28.120 And I certainly

00:37:28.880 wouldn't go the opposite,

00:37:30.920 to the opposite extreme

00:37:32.340 and just dismiss

00:37:33.360 all of that

00:37:34.000 out of hand.

00:37:37.360 Because it makes sense,

00:37:38.660 right,

00:37:38.860 that why wouldn't

00:37:39.640 God have left us

00:37:40.580 some relics,

00:37:43.880 some keepsakes,

00:37:45.780 if you will,

00:37:46.500 for us to just have

00:37:47.620 and cherish.

00:37:49.220 All right,

00:37:49.880 let's see,

00:37:50.480 this is from

00:37:51.360 Connor,

00:37:52.340 says,

00:37:52.860 hey Matt,

00:37:53.420 Passover got me

00:37:54.120 thinking tonight

00:37:54.580 and I think I managed

00:37:55.520 to map out

00:37:56.100 how reparations

00:37:56.980 for slavery will work 0.84

00:37:58.140 and I wanted to get

00:37:58.760 your opinion on it.

00:37:59.780 Step one,

00:38:00.720 those with Egyptian heritage

00:38:01.880 will pay all the Jews 1.00

00:38:03.060 and Christians, 0.98

00:38:03.680 for starters.

00:38:04.760 Step two,

00:38:05.580 the Jews and Christians

00:38:06.320 will then use that

00:38:07.180 previously gotten money

00:38:08.580 to pay those

00:38:09.620 with African heritage,

00:38:10.880 only if they're white,

00:38:11.620 of course.

00:38:13.080 Step two,

00:38:13.880 Muslims will start 1.00

00:38:14.820 paying each other 0.98

00:38:15.500 for enslaving each other

00:38:16.460 in the past.

00:38:17.140 Step three,

00:38:18.000 those with African heritage

00:38:19.000 will use their

00:38:19.600 previously gotten money

00:38:20.940 from step two

00:38:21.760 to pay each other

00:38:23.000 similarly to how

00:38:23.760 it worked in step 2A

00:38:24.980 for past Africans

00:38:26.080 enslaving each other.

00:38:28.000 Native Americans

00:38:28.760 will pay each other too,

00:38:29.560 I guess,

00:38:29.900 they will work it out

00:38:30.540 amongst themselves.

00:38:31.240 Step four,

00:38:33.060 Chinese pay the Turks, 0.99

00:38:34.340 the Portuguese

00:38:34.700 will pay the Japanese, 0.90

00:38:36.140 Klobuchar will pay her staff.

00:38:38.640 It was a good one.

00:38:39.720 Thank you for all you do

00:38:40.600 from Connor.

00:38:41.280 Connor,

00:38:41.540 I find your proposal

00:38:42.700 totally acceptable

00:38:44.360 and I say,

00:38:45.560 let's do it.

00:38:46.560 I think the goal here

00:38:47.440 has to be that

00:38:47.940 we all end up

00:38:48.500 with exactly the same

00:38:49.280 amount of money

00:38:49.800 that we started with.

00:38:50.640 We'll just pass

00:38:51.460 all the money around

00:38:52.220 and then we'll end up

00:38:52.900 in the end

00:38:53.280 where we started

00:38:54.460 to begin with.

00:38:56.780 This is from Garrett.

00:38:57.980 It says,

00:38:58.120 hey Matt,

00:38:58.440 yesterday I had

00:38:58.880 the best conversation

00:38:59.600 I've ever had at a bar.

00:39:01.240 Me and two other

00:39:01.980 young people

00:39:02.580 had a deep discussion

00:39:03.520 regarding Christianity

00:39:04.340 and philosophy.

00:39:05.080 We mostly disagreed

00:39:05.920 but agreed on a few things

00:39:07.100 and were incredibly

00:39:08.140 cordial with each other.

00:39:09.540 Before this,

00:39:10.200 I had been rather negative

00:39:11.840 about the state

00:39:13.200 of such fundamental

00:39:14.120 debates in our society,

00:39:15.160 though after this

00:39:15.960 I am optimistic.

00:39:16.760 Do you believe

00:39:17.180 young people are

00:39:17.840 talking about

00:39:19.000 these things enough

00:39:20.020 or is the education

00:39:21.080 system failing

00:39:21.880 in that respect?

00:39:23.940 Well,

00:39:24.600 first of all,

00:39:25.160 Garrett,

00:39:25.360 you've stumbled

00:39:25.760 on a fundamental truth

00:39:27.940 which is that

00:39:28.440 the best philosophical

00:39:29.560 and theological debates

00:39:30.760 happen in dimly lit

00:39:32.440 bars over a pint

00:39:33.660 and I firmly believe

00:39:34.960 that.

00:39:36.500 I do think that

00:39:38.000 interesting and in-depth

00:39:40.380 and edifying debates

00:39:41.760 and discussions

00:39:42.280 between people

00:39:43.800 are very possible

00:39:45.400 in our society,

00:39:46.440 especially at a bar,

00:39:47.240 but not only at a bar.

00:39:49.200 But I think you need

00:39:50.220 a couple of ingredients

00:39:51.400 besides beer.

00:39:53.240 Number one,

00:39:54.940 the people who are

00:39:55.760 conversing with each other

00:39:56.820 need to actually respect

00:39:59.200 each other as people

00:40:00.300 because if you hate each other

00:40:02.100 there's no hope

00:40:03.300 for a dialogue, right?

00:40:04.500 So if you're sitting down

00:40:05.580 for a beer with someone

00:40:06.320 that means that you respect them

00:40:07.480 because you wouldn't

00:40:08.300 if you didn't.

00:40:09.880 So that's the first thing

00:40:10.500 you need.

00:40:11.820 Second thing is

00:40:12.680 you need to have

00:40:13.800 some basic shared

00:40:16.880 frame of reference.

00:40:18.240 You need some underlying

00:40:19.600 principle that everyone

00:40:21.400 agrees on,

00:40:22.820 something that you can appeal

00:40:23.920 to in the conversation

00:40:25.380 because without that

00:40:26.180 it can't go anywhere

00:40:27.060 and that I think is why

00:40:28.560 a lot of our conversations

00:40:29.680 don't go anywhere

00:40:30.460 in this country.

00:40:31.040 So in other words,

00:40:32.420 I can have a fun conversation

00:40:34.120 about football

00:40:34.940 with any knowledgeable

00:40:36.180 football fan

00:40:36.960 even if they

00:40:38.060 are a bad fan

00:40:40.220 who likes a bad

00:40:41.100 horrible team

00:40:42.300 like the Steelers

00:40:42.980 or the Jets.

00:40:44.460 Now I think that

00:40:46.260 there's something

00:40:46.840 mentally wrong

00:40:47.820 with Steelers

00:40:48.480 and Jets fans.

00:40:50.220 I think that maybe

00:40:51.280 arguably they're all 0.92

00:40:52.840 sociopaths 0.99

00:40:53.620 and cannibals 0.99

00:40:54.280 and worse

00:40:54.880 but we can at least

00:40:57.520 talk and we can have

00:40:58.160 a fun conversation

00:40:58.860 even in spite of that

00:40:59.880 because we have

00:41:01.040 that underlying

00:41:01.660 agreement

00:41:02.420 that football

00:41:03.420 is interesting

00:41:04.100 and we like to talk

00:41:04.860 about it.

00:41:05.580 But the conversation

00:41:06.560 wouldn't go anywhere

00:41:07.360 if we couldn't even

00:41:08.660 agree on the basic

00:41:10.160 definition of

00:41:10.940 what football is.

00:41:12.180 Like if I'm talking

00:41:12.780 about football

00:41:13.380 and he's talking

00:41:14.860 about ping pong

00:41:15.540 well that's not

00:41:16.500 going to be

00:41:16.940 a very interesting

00:41:18.120 discussion

00:41:18.520 and it's the same

00:41:19.500 with deeper subject.

00:41:20.400 We have to agree

00:41:20.960 on something.

00:41:21.800 You have to have

00:41:22.100 some kind of agreement

00:41:23.220 somewhere.

00:41:25.020 We can disagree

00:41:25.860 on a million things

00:41:26.920 and we can argue

00:41:27.600 about those things

00:41:28.340 and we can have

00:41:29.120 an enjoyable argument

00:41:30.060 but there have to be

00:41:31.160 a few basic

00:41:31.880 starting points

00:41:32.700 that we share

00:41:33.320 and the problem

00:41:34.920 in our society

00:41:35.700 even apart

00:41:36.920 from the education

00:41:37.620 system or anything else

00:41:38.620 the problem is

00:41:39.700 very often

00:41:41.020 you've got two people

00:41:42.760 or two groups

00:41:43.400 that are arguing

00:41:43.940 with each other

00:41:44.440 and they have no

00:41:45.640 shared starting point

00:41:46.720 they have no frame

00:41:47.580 of reference

00:41:48.060 they have no

00:41:48.860 shared values

00:41:49.740 no shared priorities

00:41:51.020 their fundamental

00:41:52.860 concept of reality

00:41:57.700 are completely opposite

00:41:59.960 from each other

00:42:00.660 and so

00:42:01.980 it's like you're

00:42:04.000 speaking different languages

00:42:04.880 and I think

00:42:06.420 that's our

00:42:06.940 our problem

00:42:08.540 all right

00:42:09.520 but I'm glad

00:42:10.480 that you had

00:42:10.820 that conversation

00:42:11.420 and I've had

00:42:13.120 many of those

00:42:13.580 myself

00:42:13.920 and they are

00:42:14.220 very enjoyable

00:42:14.640 this is from

00:42:15.260 David

00:42:15.700 says

00:42:17.560 hi Matt

00:42:18.340 you talk a lot

00:42:19.160 about space aliens

00:42:20.180 and similar subjects

00:42:21.060 that's true

00:42:21.580 my feeling though

00:42:23.460 is that exploring

00:42:25.660 space

00:42:26.260 is an enormous

00:42:27.240 waste of money

00:42:28.020 when there's so much

00:42:28.720 on earth

00:42:29.020 that needs fixing

00:42:29.640 how do you respond

00:42:30.360 to that

00:42:30.680 can we justify

00:42:31.380 dumping billions

00:42:32.260 into space

00:42:32.880 for no reason

00:42:33.640 just seems silly

00:42:34.480 to me

00:42:34.920 you know

00:42:36.500 I don't see anything

00:42:37.080 silly about exploration

00:42:38.040 and I hear this a lot 0.98

00:42:39.000 I think it satisfies

00:42:40.800 an essential human need

00:42:42.220 okay

00:42:42.640 it's part of what

00:42:43.500 makes us human

00:42:44.140 this reminds me

00:42:45.540 of the conversation

00:42:46.040 we had about beauty

00:42:46.900 you know

00:42:47.140 after the Notre Dame thing

00:42:48.180 and I was trying

00:42:50.440 to make the point

00:42:50.980 that yeah

00:42:51.420 beauty is not practical

00:42:52.780 but it's more

00:42:54.800 than practical

00:42:55.620 it's deeper than that

00:42:56.540 it's more transcendent

00:42:57.800 right

00:42:58.060 there are needs

00:42:59.220 there are needs

00:43:00.580 that we have

00:43:01.080 there are practical

00:43:02.140 needs that we have

00:43:02.840 that put us

00:43:03.560 in the same camp

00:43:04.400 as like squirrels

00:43:05.520 and ants

00:43:06.000 and trees

00:43:07.280 and so on

00:43:07.900 you know

00:43:08.100 we need water

00:43:09.060 and we need oxygen

00:43:10.860 physical needs

00:43:12.760 but then there are needs

00:43:14.420 that we have

00:43:14.820 that set us apart

00:43:15.700 from all other

00:43:16.660 known creatures

00:43:17.420 the hunger for beauty

00:43:18.920 and for transcendence

00:43:20.500 that's what sets us apart

00:43:22.720 from those other

00:43:23.260 creatures

00:43:23.820 and so we shouldn't

00:43:25.740 stifle those desires

00:43:26.800 we should follow them

00:43:28.080 even if it's impractical

00:43:29.800 even if it's expensive

00:43:30.900 even if it's risky

00:43:32.100 it's how we become

00:43:34.040 really human

00:43:34.720 really ourselves

00:43:35.500 and I think the drive

00:43:37.280 for discovery

00:43:37.940 is like this

00:43:38.660 I think if we

00:43:40.140 if we were to stop

00:43:41.260 discovering

00:43:41.820 if we were to stop

00:43:43.140 surging ahead

00:43:43.820 if we were to stop

00:43:45.020 seeking new frontiers

00:43:46.840 I think we'd stop being

00:43:48.440 we would stop

00:43:49.520 essentially being

00:43:50.120 a human civilization

00:43:51.080 we'd be just like

00:43:52.860 some kind of

00:43:53.340 ant colony

00:43:54.100 right

00:43:54.420 obsessed with

00:43:55.100 its own practical needs

00:43:56.260 its own basic survival

00:43:57.840 and nothing more

00:43:59.040 and who wants that

00:44:00.720 who wants to be like that

00:44:02.440 I don't

00:44:02.940 so what do we gain

00:44:05.260 from going into space

00:44:07.260 well I could actually

00:44:08.020 point to a whole bunch

00:44:08.900 of practical

00:44:09.520 things that have come

00:44:11.620 from space exploration

00:44:12.760 a lot of everyday items

00:44:14.340 that started with astronauts

00:44:15.760 and with the space program

00:44:17.180 but aside from that

00:44:19.040 we gain knowledge

00:44:20.440 we gain expanded horizons

00:44:22.540 we gain

00:44:23.540 hope

00:44:25.040 we gain something

00:44:25.900 to look forward to

00:44:26.760 something to dream about

00:44:27.740 I mean we gain

00:44:28.760 more of what makes

00:44:30.300 human existence worthwhile

00:44:31.560 so we gain quite a bit

00:44:33.620 I would say

00:44:34.280 is it worth the money then

00:44:36.400 then yeah

00:44:37.300 I believe it is

00:44:38.360 it really is

00:44:39.600 I think we need

00:44:41.440 there's a

00:44:41.900 a modern tendency

00:44:43.740 to see everything

00:44:46.280 in

00:44:46.900 is a tendency

00:44:48.140 shared even by

00:44:49.020 by Christians

00:44:50.040 a tendency to see

00:44:51.660 everything in materialistic

00:44:52.660 terms

00:44:53.020 everything in practical

00:44:54.360 utilitarian terms

00:44:55.540 like what's

00:44:56.760 what is this doing

00:44:57.780 for me immediately

00:44:58.780 how is it helping

00:44:59.480 my bottom line

00:45:00.300 that's the question

00:45:01.380 we all ask

00:45:02.160 about almost everything

00:45:03.740 but there are things

00:45:07.260 that are

00:45:07.640 bigger than that

00:45:09.920 I mean music

00:45:11.400 who needs music

00:45:12.380 right

00:45:12.640 what do you need

00:45:13.280 music for

00:45:13.900 it doesn't do anything

00:45:15.400 for you

00:45:15.800 it doesn't pay the bills

00:45:17.700 most of us

00:45:18.180 unless you're

00:45:18.480 a professional musician

00:45:19.680 you can't eat it

00:45:21.080 you can't drink it

00:45:22.540 but

00:45:25.100 it makes life

00:45:27.440 it's another thing

00:45:28.760 that part of what

00:45:29.620 makes life

00:45:30.160 worth living

00:45:31.540 it's part of what

00:45:32.140 makes us

00:45:32.560 a human

00:45:33.220 alright

00:45:34.980 so

00:45:36.340 we'll leave it there

00:45:37.600 thanks everybody

00:45:38.500 for watching

00:45:38.980 thanks for

00:45:39.600 listening

00:45:40.560 godspeed

00:45:41.860 today on the Ben Shapiro show

00:45:56.520 devastating bombings

00:45:57.800 by radical Islamists 0.64

00:45:58.880 kill hundreds on Easter

00:46:00.060 in Sri Lanka

00:46:01.000 fallout from the Mueller report

00:46:02.320 continues

00:46:02.740 and Elizabeth Warren

00:46:03.740 makes a radical proposal

00:46:04.760 that's today on the Ben Shapiro show

00:46:06.380 thank you

The Matt Walsh Show - April 22, 2019

Ep. 244 - We're Christians, Not 'Easter Worshippers'

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