The Matt Walsh Show - Ep 261 - Why Pro-Lifers Can't Support Rape Exceptions

00:00:00.320 God bless Alabama, folks. Governor Kay Ivey, as I'm sure you heard, who is a woman, by the way,

00:00:07.360 but now I suppose an honorary member of the patriarchy, signed a near-complete abortion

00:00:11.800 ban into law in Alabama yesterday. It's a great victory for the pro-life movement. It's a great

00:00:16.840 day for America, for liberty, life-loving Americans. This is a great day. But not everyone

00:00:24.080 is happy, of course. Obviously, abortion enthusiasts are not enthused. They are extremely

00:00:29.520 upset, to put it mildly. And we'll get to them in a minute, but leaving them aside for just a

00:00:34.600 moment, even some so-called pro-lifers are concerned. They have concerns about this bill. They're very

00:00:42.080 concerned. Even Pat Robertson came out and said that it's too extreme. It's an extreme bill.

00:00:48.820 And other conservatives have echoed this, saying, well, I'm pro-life, but, but, and then proceeding

00:00:57.100 to explain why this victory for the pro-life cause is not really a victory at all. And, you know, it's,

00:01:01.780 it's, it's, it's not the right strategy and blah, blah, blah. Listen, I had, you're entitled to your

00:01:06.640 own opinion. I have little patience, patience for it because we're finally making real strides. We're

00:01:11.540 finally achieving big wins in multiple States and still conservatives are not happy. They're worried

00:01:16.640 that we're going too far, too fast, et cetera, et cetera. You know what? 60 million babies have been

00:01:22.220 killed. Okay. Abortion has been legal for 46 years and 60 million babies have been killed in the

00:01:27.060 meantime. And you're worried we're going too fast. We're going too far. 46 years of slaughter isn't

00:01:32.400 enough. 46 years of gradual victories. Isn't gradual enough. It's not enough incrementalism for you.

00:01:39.700 Wait, so should we wait another 20 years? I know, not at Alabama. Now's not the right time. Let's wait

00:01:43.960 until 2040. How about that? It's good. Let's get another 40, 50 years under our belt.

00:01:49.320 Um, stop it. This is, we are having this fight right now, whether you like it or not,

00:02:00.580 it's happening. We've done the incremental thing for long enough. And now we're going for the throat.

00:02:06.100 We are going for the abortion industry's throat. That's what we're doing. Uh, and if you consider

00:02:12.400 yourself conservative, get on board or go hide under your bed, but whatever you want to do, it's up to

00:02:18.520 you. If it makes your tummy hurt, I'm excited. My tummy hurt a little bit. I'm a little uncomfortable.

00:02:22.540 Hey guys, I'm a little uncomfortable with this. We'll go be uncomfortable in your home.

00:02:27.660 Make yourself a nice little, uh, a cup of tea and you can sit on your couch and the rest of us will

00:02:32.840 have this fight. Just don't stand in the way is the point because the rest of us have finally gotten

00:02:39.180 to a point. I think there are a lot of people who finally got to the point where we, where we just,

00:02:43.020 we can't, we can't take any more of the slaughter and the bloodshed. We can't, we can't tolerate it

00:02:48.060 anymore. We're not going to. And so yes, extreme. Yeah, sure. Sure. Pat Robertson, we're extreme.

00:02:54.600 It's a, it's extreme. We are extremely pro-life. We are extremely against killing babies, any baby

00:03:01.060 for any reason in any context. That's what we're saying. And that is a, a coherent, logical,

00:03:09.080 and morally correct point of view. Uh, and so it's, it's happening. I really believe,

00:03:17.820 as I've been saying that, uh, there's a, there's a threshold has been crossed and we're not going

00:03:23.400 back across it. Now related to this topic, um, yours truly has been trending on Twitter and that's,

00:03:32.120 that's never a good thing. At least for me, I, you know, I've never trended on Twitter for,

00:03:35.180 uh, because everyone agrees with something I said and they're talking about how much they like me.

00:03:39.080 That's never happened for me. Uh, never goes that way. The angry mob has been coming after me

00:03:43.360 because of an entirely valid and true point that I made about abortion. And when I say angry,

00:03:48.320 I mean, very angry. My inbox is, uh, I have just tens of thousands of people have

00:03:53.480 been, um, expressing their disgust with me. And, uh, I've got hundreds of messages just to give you

00:04:03.180 an idea here, here are a couple of messages. I'll just read a few that I've gotten, uh, because of my

00:04:08.220 position, uh, on abortion. Uh, someone, someone emailed and said, I hope your wife and daughter

00:04:14.520 are both brutally raped. Um, someone else says you are, you are an effing retard. Uh,

00:04:21.680 I wish your mom aborted you. Um, a lot of that kind of thing. I wish you were aborted, uh, kill

00:04:28.920 yourself, jump off a bridge, kill yourself. A lot of, a lot of kill yourselves. Uh, somebody,

00:04:34.360 someone messaged and said, you're the best reason for abortion I've ever encountered.

00:04:37.940 It is a crime that your mother failed to exercise her right. And you now breathe the free air.

00:04:42.960 One can only hope that by some happening that error in judgment is remedied. This is not a threat,

00:04:48.320 but a hope, a wish that you and all who think as you do are permanently silenced.

00:04:52.260 And that was, uh, that was a message from Tom McCurdy Sr. At Tom, T-O-M-M-C-C-U-R-D-Y-S-R. Um,

00:05:04.600 that he, so he's wishing that pro-lifers are permanently silenced. He's wishing death on us. He

00:05:08.660 wants us dead. Me specifically, but if you're a pro-life, then you too. Um, also, uh, another,

00:05:14.700 another, uh, message is from at P-E-Y ghost at P-E-Y ghost, um, says absolute effing idiot you are,

00:05:25.340 don't reproduce, abort all three of your already born children. So wishing death on my children.

00:05:30.480 And by the way, you know, I, I put these, uh, I put these messages out there. I, I, I published

00:05:34.560 these messages on my Twitter and I made sure to include the person's face and name and Twitter

00:05:39.680 handle. Um, and I'm sharing it here now because here's the thing. Uh, if you're going to wish

00:05:45.560 death on me or my family, then you don't get to do it privately. Uh, I'm not going to respect your

00:05:51.040 privacy. I'm going to publish that for everyone to see. So if, if that's, if that's the kind of

00:05:55.080 that's, no, you don't get to do that. You don't get to whisper that one to me. I'm going to,

00:05:58.540 I'm going to pull the megaphone out and you could say it to everybody. You know, it's like,

00:06:02.020 it's like a, remember in school, if you, uh, you know, if you brought a snack into school,

00:06:05.160 well, you can't, you can't eat the snack. You have to have enough for the whole,

00:06:07.740 share with the whole class. So it's kind of like that. If you want to wish death on children,

00:06:11.260 uh, or on your opponents, then you got to share with the whole class. You don't get to just keep

00:06:15.780 that to, it's not, it's not going to stay between us. It's not, it's, that's not a message being

00:06:19.760 passed between us. No, it's not how it's going to work. Um, so a lot of stuff like that. And why?

00:06:26.480 Well, because I pointed out that rapists, um, use abortion to cover their tracks and that abortion

00:06:36.640 restrictions can actually protect, uh, rape victims. Whereas abortion clinics often exploit

00:06:42.200 rape victims and can cause rape to continue. Now I made that point in, in an exchange that began

00:06:48.940 with someone responding to Michael Knowles, uh, after Knowles pointed out that cases of rape and

00:06:53.540 incest account for, you know, less than 1% of all abortions. And someone responded to that and said,

00:06:59.220 Michael Knowles is playing down the horrible fact of the Alabama abortion ban, that if a 12 year old

00:07:03.640 girl gets raped by her dad, she has to carry the baby and that the rapist will spend less time in

00:07:08.020 prison than a doctor who aborts the baby. This is immoral. Now I responded to that and said,

00:07:12.600 if a 12 year old is raped by her father and the father takes her to get an abortion, the evidence

00:07:15.820 of the crime will be destroyed and he will go on molesting his victim for years. If however,

00:07:19.820 the child is born, his crime will be discovered and she'll be rescued from the abuse. And then I

00:07:24.300 continue. And this exact kind of scenario happens all the time with the help of the fine folks at

00:07:28.820 Planned Parenthood who are more than happy to assist an abuser in covering up the abuse. And then I

00:07:33.000 provided a link with examples of precisely this sort of thing. Now, do I apologize for making this

00:07:39.000 point? No, no, I do not. Uh, not even a little bit. I'm not ever going to apologize for saying

00:07:44.260 something that's true is never, ever going to happen ever period. Now here is a, here's a story

00:07:50.760 from al.com, alabama.com. It's a, so right out of Alabama. Um, it says a Planned Parenthood center

00:07:56.760 in a mobile provided two abortions for a 14 year old mother of two in a span of four months in 2014

00:08:03.920 and failed to report that she was possibly the victim of sexual abuse. According to a report from

00:08:08.940 the Alabama department of health, the report States, the clinic is required by law to report

00:08:12.740 possible abuse and neglect, but failed to do so after providing services to the teenager identified

00:08:17.760 as MR 16. Um, so this, you, you've got just one example, 14 year old girl coming in twice in the

00:08:26.220 span of a couple of months pregnant and the clinic does not report it. There are many examples of this

00:08:32.540 kind of thing. Live action had a whole expose on this. Uh, and I encourage you to Google it and find

00:08:36.960 their report. They did a report about Planned Parenthood covering up sexual abuse. Let me read a few of

00:08:42.220 the examples that they provide in their report. Okay. So reading from their report, this is what they say.

00:08:46.560 Denise Fairbanks had been sexually abused by her father, abused by her father since she was 13.

00:08:52.240 When she became pregnant at age 16, he forced her to have an abortion at Planned Parenthood. Although

00:08:56.400 she told the staff that he was raping her, they refused to report the incident. Instead, they sent her

00:09:01.140 home with him where he continued to abuse her for another year and a half. So that is pretty much

00:09:05.780 exactly the kind of scenario that I mentioned. The abortion happens. It's not reported. The child is sent

00:09:13.720 home and the abuse continues. Now I was told that I'm a monster for say, but this, this is this,

00:09:20.360 that exact thing happened. And this is not the only example. George Savannah had repeatedly raped

00:09:28.820 his daughter and impregnated her when she was 14, 16 and 17 years old, each time taking her to Planned

00:09:33.420 Parenthood and forcing her to get an abortion. Planned Parenthood neglected to report any of the

00:09:37.580 three suspicious incidents to authorities. So you've got fathers bringing their 13, 14, 15 year old

00:09:45.780 daughters in for abortions. No questions asked, no report, nothing. Police aren't called. Timothy

00:09:54.660 David Smith had sexually abused his stepdaughter for seven years and took her to Planned Parenthood when

00:09:59.120 she became pregnant at 13. Planned Parenthood performed an abortion without notifying her parents

00:10:03.660 without reporting the suspected abuse to authorities as required by law. Planned Parenthood performed an

00:10:08.920 abortion on a 12 year old at the request of a, of her 23 year old foster brother, who was also her

00:10:13.640 abuser. Sean Michael Stevens took her home afterwards and continued to rape her. Planned Parenthood not

00:10:18.440 only neglected to notify authorities, but also failed to notify the victim's foster parents that they

00:10:23.720 were going to perform the abortion. Okay. So this does happen. Now keep in mind, all those people wishing

00:10:30.160 death on me and my children is simply because I pointed out that this kind of thing happens.

00:10:40.080 The minions of the abortion industry, radical pro-abortion zealots are truly some of the most

00:10:48.580 vicious people on earth. And I, this is not my first run in with them by a long shot. If you,

00:10:55.860 if you go after their sacred cow, if you desecrate the altar that they worship upon

00:11:02.280 the abortion altar, they will come after you in just no holds barred and they will feel perfectly

00:11:12.600 justified in doing it. So the people that are messaging me and saying, I hope that your five-year-old

00:11:17.640 daughter is raped. The thing that's really crazy about that is the person who sent that message

00:11:22.220 feels justified actually thinks that he or she is justified in doing that. And that was sent

00:11:29.340 anonymously. It's the only reason I didn't share the name of the person who sent me that. I would

00:11:31.980 love to share the name if I had it. Um, now as for the issue of rape and abortion more broadly,

00:11:39.800 as you've heard, okay, of course the, the Alabama law does not provide for rape exceptions. And this fact

00:11:45.720 has been a topic of very loud discussion and much outrage. Um, I addressed it briefly yesterday,

00:11:51.400 but now I want to spend a little bit more time on it now and kind of try to explain, um,

00:11:57.360 why I think that it's, it's right to not have the rape exceptions. Um,

00:12:03.800 I think mainly there are two points to be made here. Okay. One, as, uh, as Michael Knowles alluded

00:12:12.040 to, uh, abortion due to rape is very, very rare. The vast majority of abortions have nothing to do

00:12:18.060 with rape. Um, the Guttmacher Institute surveyed pro-abortion women, and they found that the top

00:12:24.740 six reasons for getting an abortion accounting for 85% of all cases were, uh, and I'll read them to

00:12:30.560 you, not ready for a child. Can't afford a baby have completed my child bearing. Don't want to be

00:12:40.080 a single mother. Don't feel mature enough and would interfere with education or career plans.

00:12:47.420 Okay. Those are the top six reasons for getting an abortion. 85% of all cases. And those are abortions

00:12:53.880 for lifestyle reasons. They are getting rid of the baby because the baby would interfere with the kind

00:12:59.000 of life they want to live. Uh, less than 1% of all respondents said that they were rape victims.

00:13:05.020 Considering how often rape comes up in the abortion discussion, you would think that something like

00:13:09.560 half of all women who walk into a Planned Parenthood on a given day are rape victims,

00:13:14.360 but that is clearly not the case. Instead of half, it's more like half of 1%. So why do we focus

00:13:20.780 disproportionately on these rare and difficult cases? Because pro-abortion people would much rather

00:13:25.900 talk about a 15 year old girl who gets an abortion because she was raped by her father than a grown

00:13:30.940 woman who gets an abortion because she doesn't want the, the, you know, the baby to interfere with

00:13:35.080 her career. They would much rather talk about the former than the latter because the latter is,

00:13:41.920 uh, is, is makes abortion seem cruel and self-centered and, uh, just totally destructive and murderous.

00:13:53.580 And that's what abortion is. And abortion for that reason is many times more common than an abortion

00:14:04.760 for rape. So in other words, they don't want to talk about the vast majority, you know, the 85 to 90%

00:14:13.000 where it's just pretty much clear cut, self-centered. I'm killing the baby because I don't feel like,

00:14:17.600 I just don't feel like, I don't feel like having a baby. Um, they don't want to talk about that big

00:14:23.120 chunk of, uh, of cases because it's just really difficult to try to defend that. And yet still,

00:14:30.900 you know, uh, appear to be taking a, a morally acceptable position because if you're going to

00:14:38.540 defend that a woman that's killing a baby, just because, yeah, I just don't feel like having a

00:14:43.680 baby. If you're going to defend that, you just, you, you really, you have to basically abandon

00:14:48.420 morality completely and say, yeah, you know, I don't, I don't care about fine. It's immoral. I

00:14:52.580 don't care. There's really just no way to try to dress that up in moral language. It's just not

00:15:01.300 possible to do. So that's why they want to focus on the, uh, on the rare and difficult cases.

00:15:07.780 So that's the first thing. Second thing, now that we've established that pro-abortion people focus

00:15:13.040 on hard cases in order to, in order to distract from their real position and that abortion

00:15:17.540 restrictions will actually protect rape victims and help assist in bringing rapists to justice.

00:15:23.080 Once we qualified those, the discussion with those two crucial points, I think that we can

00:15:29.620 then move on to addressing the question at hand, which is, should there be exceptions to

00:15:34.760 allow raped women to get abortions? The answer is no. The pro-life case is simple. Okay.

00:15:42.780 We believe that abortion should be outlawed because unborn humans are people and all people

00:15:48.780 are endowed with inherent rights and dignities. There is no other reason to be pro-life. Um,

00:15:54.320 and if we're wrong on either point, if we're wrong about, you know, unborn humans, if we're

00:15:59.580 wrong that unborn humans are people, or if we're wrong that all people are endowed with human

00:16:03.840 rights, if we're wrong about either of those points, then there's no reason to be pro-life

00:16:07.620 at all. There's just no reason. But if that's the case, then we don't need to get into rape and

00:16:15.200 incest exceptions, right? Abortion should simply be legal across the board. If personhood lies on a

00:16:22.720 spectrum contingent on a human being's ability to care for himself, then forget about limiting

00:16:28.700 abortion just to rape cases. Actually, we, we shouldn't even limit it to the womb.

00:16:32.320 So if we pro-lifers are wrong about our fundamental point, then yeah, of course, uh, raped women should

00:16:41.140 be able to get abortions, but also any woman should be able to get an abortion for any reason. And

00:16:45.000 probably even after birth, she should be allowed to get abortions. Now, on the other hand, if we're

00:16:49.960 right, if it's true that unborn humans are people and thus in intrinsically deserving of the same legal

00:16:57.260 protections that you and I enjoy, then again, there is no reason to discuss exceptions. A baby conceived

00:17:04.220 in rape is not any less of a person than one conceived consensually. Okay. If, if we believe that unborn

00:17:11.760 people are people and people have rights, it would be incoherent and contradictory for us to say, well,

00:17:17.380 except for, there are no except fours. That's the point. That's our whole point. People are people are

00:17:24.280 people to pretend that a baby conceived in rape is not a person would be nonsensical to admit that he

00:17:30.400 is a person, but still execute him for his father's sins is morally abominable and unjustifiable. We,

00:17:36.640 we cannot remain consistently pro-life while supporting exceptions because the exceptions

00:17:42.220 must either be based on the belief that not all unborn people are people, or that sometimes it is

00:17:48.360 actually okay to kill a defenseless and innocent human being, but either claim would contradict and

00:17:53.640 ultimately destroy our entire case. So I say that one more time. If we support exceptions,

00:18:03.500 then we must either be saying that actually, as it turns out, not all unborn people are people,

00:18:14.760 which would destroy the pro-life case, or we need to be saying that actually sometimes it is okay to

00:18:22.140 murder an innocent and defenseless human being, which again, destroys our entire case.

00:18:30.300 Because if that's, if that's the case, then, um, if, if we're saying that, well, okay, you know,

00:18:36.200 I mean, sometimes you could kill an innocent and defenseless human being, then, okay, you're making

00:18:41.820 an exception for rape, but then why not? I mean, what, what about a woman who's just, uh, she hasn't

00:18:46.240 been raped, but she's poor and you know, having the baby would be very difficult for her. And what

00:18:51.060 about all these other difficult cases? I mean, if you're saying that sometimes it is okay to kill

00:18:58.440 an innocent and defenseless human being, then that, then why didn't, why wouldn't that apply to these

00:19:03.220 other cases too? It just seems arbitrary. It seems like we either take a hard line stance that it is

00:19:09.100 never okay to kill an innocent and defenseless human being ever under any circumstance.

00:19:17.220 We take that position or we say that sometimes it is okay. And if we take the approach,

00:19:25.500 then I think we've opened the floodgates, um, to,

00:19:28.740 then suddenly everything becomes an exception. Um, because if it's, if it can be okay to kill,

00:19:40.300 to intentionally kill an innocent and defenseless human being, then I guess what we're saying is

00:19:44.400 that human life is not actually quite as valuable as we had been insisting all this time.

00:19:51.320 Okay. Uh, so that's, that's, that's where it comes down to. And that doesn't mean, listen,

00:20:01.220 um, a couple other points here.

00:20:08.900 Obviously when we're talking about these extreme rare hard cases, obviously I have nothing but

00:20:16.820 compassion and sympathy for a woman who is in that position. It's unimaginable. I mean,

00:20:22.640 it really is unimaginable. And, uh, I, as I said yesterday, I think if you want to talk about

00:20:31.920 aborting rapists, if you want to talk about abortion for the scumbag who raped her, then we could

00:20:37.940 definitely have that discussion. I think there's a case to be made for that for sure. Uh, for executing

00:20:43.220 rapists. Um, we, we could definitely talk about that because of what a just horrific, unthinkable

00:20:53.600 barbaric crime it is to do that to someone. You just, you, you have to be an animal. You have

00:21:02.680 basically by your own decision, you have forfeited your humanity.

00:21:09.860 And, um, and that's why I say, you know, it's never okay to intentionally kill an innocent and

00:21:17.100 defenseless human being, but that doesn't mean that it's, that it's, that it's necessarily wrong

00:21:23.020 to kill a guilty and, uh, and a dangerous human being. So, you know, that's, if we want to,

00:21:33.360 if, if, if someone is going to be punished for a rape, then I think obviously we punish the rapist

00:21:42.460 and punish him severely. But I just, I don't see how you punish the child with death, especially.

00:21:52.800 Um, and I don't see how that is going to help the woman heal either.

00:21:57.660 You know, adding more death and suffering and misery

00:22:03.780 in the longterm. I don't see how that helps anyone. I don't see how it ever can.

00:22:14.320 So that's, you know, so that that's, that's the, the, the, an important point. Also,

00:22:20.100 we, we, we seem to struggle with this, with a nuance here where, where, you know, you have the

00:22:30.120 objective quality of an act. So we say, so I say abortion is objectively evil and it is,

00:22:37.200 it is an objectively inherently evil act and it is never okay. It is always evil to do.

00:22:42.920 However, the, the moral culpability of an individual who engages in an evil act can vary.

00:22:53.080 It can vary tremendously, significantly. So I would say that in these extreme cases,

00:22:59.400 there's a 15 year old girl's raped, um, and, uh, and gets an abortion.

00:23:06.600 People say, well, you're, you're, you're heartless. You would call that evil. Well,

00:23:10.020 it is an evil act. Yes. But it would also seem to me that the moral guilt of the girl in that

00:23:17.260 position is severely mitigated. Now I can't, I can't sit here and say how, how, how, how mitigated

00:23:23.120 precisely it is. That's not for me to say, it's for God to say, but it does seem to me that it is

00:23:27.820 severely mitigated. Um, given the situation that she's in and that this is a, what is someone who's

00:23:34.660 been abused is afraid is, I mean, just is, you can't even imagine the mindset of someone like

00:23:40.280 that. So I can acknowledge all of that. I understand those nuances and I acknowledge how,

00:23:46.060 when we talk about hard cases, I acknowledge just how hard they really are. And I also acknowledge

00:23:51.080 that because I've never been in that position, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't fully appreciate

00:23:56.140 how hard they really are. I acknowledge all of that, but it doesn't change the fact that a person

00:24:04.660 is a person. There is a person, there is another person involved in that person is a person and it

00:24:10.940 doesn't matter how hard the case is. It will not detract from the personhood of this third person

00:24:21.020 who is now involved. All right. Um, let's move on before we get to emails. I wrote something

00:24:29.360 yesterday with kind of a clickbaity title, admittedly, but I do feel that I back it up.

00:24:34.020 So it's not really clickbait, but the title is, uh, the simple preschool level question that no leftist

00:24:38.960 can answer. And, and here's the, here's the point I was trying to make. Um, and I made this point before,

00:24:45.360 but I, I'm just going to lay it out now. Um, because I have been, there's a certain question

00:24:53.320 that I have been desperately asking with, with increasing desperation. I've been asking this

00:24:58.280 question of leftists, people on the left, trying to get someone to answer it. And so now I put it

00:25:05.080 out here in this forum as well. If there's anyone on the left watching right now, I've got a question

00:25:08.800 for you. And I, I really, I would just love to hear your answer. And I mean that sincerely. It's a

00:25:13.840 very simple question. Like I said, preschool level. I just want to know what your answer is.

00:25:20.340 Um, now you'll, you'll notice of course, that folks on the left use the word woman quite a bit.

00:25:28.120 Uh, we all use the word woman, right? It's a, it's a common word to use, but especially leftists,

00:25:33.460 they make claims about women. They, they say that, uh, these people known as women have something

00:25:38.700 called women's rights. They say that those rights are under attack. They say that women are

00:25:42.480 persecuted and disadvantaged by something called male privilege. They say that women, um, are the

00:25:48.100 victims of, uh, something called a wage gap. They say things like we need a woman president,

00:25:53.080 right? They say all that kind of stuff. They also say that biological males can be women. They say

00:25:59.940 trans women are women. They say that someone can start out life as a male and then transition into a

00:26:05.680 woman. So they make many other claims in that vein. But how can I understand any of those claims if I do

00:26:15.340 not know what they mean when they say the word woman and how can, how can they make any meaningful

00:26:23.540 statements about women if they themselves don't know what they mean by it? So the question I ask is

00:26:29.840 this, what is a woman? Simple question. What is a woman? Define the word. Now, in fairness, I'll

00:26:42.500 provide my own definition. I tend to agree with Merriam-Webster that woman means an adult female

00:26:49.120 person. That's the dictionary definition. That is also the definition that the whole history of human

00:26:55.220 civilization would have, would have, uh, would have given, uh, up until very recently. But you on the

00:27:01.860 left, you disagree. You say that biology has nothing to do with womanhood. Well, then what does have

00:27:09.800 something to do with womanhood? If we cannot define a woman physically, how can we define her? What is a

00:27:18.320 woman? You know, your definition must be specific if you make all of these specific statements about what

00:27:24.180 it's like to be a woman, the trials and tribulations that women face, the indignities that women suffer

00:27:29.040 and so on. Um, you know, we were told that Captain Marvel was a, was an important movie because it

00:27:33.640 had a, it was a woman led superhero film. Okay. Well, so that means what? That Brie Larson is a woman.

00:27:38.760 Okay. Uh, well now we're getting somewhere. Brie Larson is a woman. I agree with you there.

00:27:43.780 Uh, Brie Larson is also an adult female with all of the biological markers of a female. So the picture

00:27:49.500 seems to be coming into focus. Maybe Webster had it right after all, but wait a second.

00:27:53.220 You also say that Caitlyn Jenner and Chelsea Manning are women, despite the fact that they are both

00:28:00.520 adult males, not females. You say that they're all three equally women, Brie Larson, Caitlyn Jenner,

00:28:07.960 Chelsea Manning. You say they're all indistinguishable. They're women, woman, woman, woman. Well,

00:28:14.200 suddenly the picture becomes foggy again. I've been told by the few people that have attempted to answer

00:28:19.640 this question. And there have been a few, I've been putting this question out everywhere. Uh,

00:28:23.680 and, uh, and a few people have tried to answer it on the left. And the answer that I've gotten is that

00:28:29.380 a woman is anyone who identifies as a woman, but that definition doesn't work because you can't use

00:28:37.040 the word you're defining in the definition. If I ask you for the definition of tree and you tell me

00:28:42.820 that a tree is that which, you know, a tree is that which is a tree. Well, you've told me nothing

00:28:49.800 about trees. I need you to explain trees using words that don't include the word tree. You can't

00:28:57.320 use the word of the desk. So what's the definition of desk? Well, desk is desk. Doesn't work. Uh, I need

00:29:05.800 you to explain the word without using the word. I need you to explain woman using words that don't

00:29:11.020 include woman. Give me a definition of woman that does not have the word woman in it. That's what a

00:29:16.440 definition is. So what is a woman? You might say that a woman is an adult human female or anyone who

00:29:24.040 identifies as an adult human female, but that's just another way of saying that a woman is an adult

00:29:28.760 human female or not an adult human female. And that's just another way of saying that, that a woman

00:29:33.920 is nothing in particular. Woman has no definition. If that is the definition, then woman has no

00:29:40.720 definition. And it would be nonsensical to identify as a woman in that case, because you're identifying

00:29:46.740 as something that is not really anything. When a man says, I identify as a woman. Okay. What,

00:29:54.960 what is that thing that you're, what do you mean by that is the question. What do you mean by that?

00:30:00.700 What is it that you're identifying as? That is a fair question.

00:30:09.240 If you can't answer it, then that's a problem. Now I'll be told that words like woman and man

00:30:17.120 are on a spectrum. Okay. Well then tell me about this spectrum. Fine. It's on a spectrum. It's not on

00:30:24.960 a spectrum, but I'll go along with it for a moment for the sake of argument. Spectrum, right?

00:30:33.220 So spectrum, you got point A, point B, and then you've got the, the, you know, the gradual increments

00:30:39.900 between. Okay. What are these things on either side of the spectrum? Define the people who exist on

00:30:49.340 either side, define the people who exist on what I would call the woman's side of the spectrum.

00:30:56.400 If someone is on the spectrum. So if someone is like right here on the spectrum between woman and

00:31:02.140 man, okay, well, what does that mean? They're between what and what? You can't escape the definition

00:31:09.700 problem by talking about spectrums. If the spectrum takes us from one undefinable thing to another

00:31:15.660 undefinable thing, then it's not a spectrum. It's more like a black hole where all sense and reason

00:31:22.120 and the very laws of science break down. So what exactly does any of this mean? What is a woman?

00:31:32.260 Is a woman in the end, just anyone who enjoys feminine things or dresses in a feminine way?

00:31:38.100 Well, that can't be it because we can't define feminine until we've defined the word woman.

00:31:42.940 The definition of feminine hinges very much on the definition of woman. And also this definition

00:31:49.120 would turn a lot of women into non-women and a lot of non-women into women. Besides the left has

00:31:53.940 been trying to break down the societal construct of feminine versus masculine for years. Surely you

00:31:58.760 can't go from not all women should be expected to be feminine to the only defining characteristic of

00:32:04.420 women is that they are feminine. I mean, you can't do such a 180 and undermine everything you've been

00:32:10.200 saying for the last 60 years. So what is a woman? It does not seem possible to formulate a definition

00:32:18.560 of woman that rejects biology while still allowing women to be objective, unique, and discernible

00:32:27.080 things, while still allowing womanhood to be a discernible category.

00:32:33.580 But I invite anyone to prove me wrong. I invite any leftist to prove me wrong.

00:32:41.560 What is a woman? That's the question. And you can email me, mattwalshow at gmail.com.

00:32:48.960 Now, if you're a rational person and you know that a woman is an adult human female, then I don't

00:32:53.640 need your answer. I know what you're answering. But if you're on the left and you subscribe to the

00:32:59.800 leftist gender theory, give me a definition. And if you can give me one that makes sense,

00:33:08.500 I'll read it on the show and I will admit that I have been defeated. I really don't think that's

00:33:15.000 going to happen. I don't think you can define a word. I think it is a word you use all the time,

00:33:21.440 but that you cannot define. According to your political, according to the dictates of your

00:33:30.160 ideology, you can't define it. All right. Let's see. Okay. Mattwalshow at gmail.com. We'll go to

00:33:38.720 emails from Lisa says, greetings, Matt. I've seen some pro boards online trying to prove hypocrisy and

00:33:44.600 pro-lifers by claiming that we don't care about frozen embryos that are destroyed. So we aren't

00:33:49.420 really pro-life from conception. I actually can't recall ever hearing about frozen embryos in the

00:33:53.860 pro-life conversation at all. What's your take on it morally and legally? Is it even moral to have

00:33:58.000 embryos artificially created and frozen, much less discarded? Well, that is something that comes up

00:34:05.360 in discussion, I think frequently. And a lot of pro-lifers are spoken out about this,

00:34:10.860 are outspoken about it, I should say. And the answer is no, I don't think that it is ethical

00:34:17.760 to create these embryos like they are just resources and keep them in a, in a storage locker

00:34:26.200 somewhere, keep them in a, in a freezer somewhere. Um, I think it is the, the, I mean, in a real

00:34:34.060 literal sense, it's the objectification, or maybe I should say the commodification of human life and

00:34:39.040 turning human life into a commodity and saying, Oh, you know, I got, I got, I got 50, uh, embryos in

00:34:44.380 storage. And, you know, if I get around to using one of them, I got, I got back, I got spares and I

00:34:48.960 got backups. Um, I think it's a, it's a very dangerous thing. It is not respecting of the

00:34:54.820 dignity of the human person. And, um, so that's where I stand on that. Now, a variation of this is

00:35:02.180 you'll, I thought that's where you were going to go with this, where somebody will say, um,

00:35:08.320 okay, well you're, you're in a, uh, you know, you're in a fertility clinic and, and, uh, there's

00:35:14.200 a fire and you could only say, and there's, there's a, you know, 10 frozen embryos in a box,

00:35:20.260 uh, or a thousand frozen embryos in a box. And there's a two-year-old child. You can only save

00:35:25.460 one in the fire. Uh, now why is the two-year-old child in the freezer with the embryos? I have no

00:35:31.320 idea, but that's the hypothetical. You can only save one, which one do you save? And, uh, maybe,

00:35:36.360 I don't know if you've heard this, this brain teaser before I've addressed it before. Um,

00:35:40.940 I think one of the first pieces I ever wrote for the daily wire was actually addressing this

00:35:43.740 question. And just very briefly, the answer of course, is that you would save the two-year-old

00:35:49.500 child, right? I mean, anybody would, that is, I guess, supposed to prove that we don't really

00:35:55.680 consider embryos to be human life, but of course it proves no such thing. Um, I would save a two-year-old

00:36:01.760 over a 72-year-old. I would probably save a two-year-old over a, you know, 30-year-old.

00:36:08.560 Um, I would save a two-year-old over someone who's, you know, uh, uh, probably over someone

00:36:15.100 who's terminally ill. Um, I would save, I would save the two-year-old over a lot of people.

00:36:22.120 And does that mean that I don't think the other people are people? If I, if I save the two-year-old

00:36:27.040 over someone who's 72, does that mean that I don't think that I think 72-year-olds aren't human

00:36:31.060 beings or they aren't people or their life, their lives aren't, aren't, uh, worthwhile or,

00:36:35.920 or that they are somehow worth less than the two-year-old? No, it doesn't mean that at all.

00:36:40.840 It just means that in that extremely difficult and of course also far-fetched and ridiculous scenario,

00:36:48.780 you have to make a quick decision. And that decision is not going to be based on which of

00:36:54.800 these are human. It's going to be based on other things. First of all, there's going to be,

00:36:58.400 there's going to be emotion to it. Like you see a two-year-old that just elicits certain emotions

00:37:02.680 from you. And so you're going to respond to those emotions and that's, that's fine. Uh, and you'll,

00:37:07.920 maybe you make other calculations and you, and you say in this case that look, the, you know, uh,

00:37:11.940 the two-year-old has his whole life in front of him. 72-year-olds already lived a long life.

00:37:16.240 Uh, I mentioned someone who's terminally ill. I mean, you might make the choice in that scenario.

00:37:21.200 Well, two-year-old has a whole life for that. This is someone who's, who's unfortunately,

00:37:24.800 near death already. So it's just, you've got to make a decision. And so you make that decision

00:37:29.260 there. Um, but again, that does not mean that you're denying the humanity of the person you

00:37:36.960 don't save. And another thing, very important is that, uh, you're not killing the other person.

00:37:47.240 So if this, if, if, if the hypothetical is, well, uh, you got to toss one of them into the fire,

00:37:53.100 you got to say, you either got to toss the embryos into the fire or the child into the fire. Well,

00:37:57.180 the answer to that is neither, even with a gun to your head, you, you should do neither and die

00:38:02.640 rather than do that. Uh, because it is never okay to directly intentionally kill innocent and

00:38:08.580 defenseless human life. That's the point here. But when you're, when you could only save one and you,

00:38:13.820 and you make your choice, you're not killing the other person. If that person dies tragically,

00:38:18.220 it's the fire that killed you. You didn't do it unless you set the fire. Assuming that's not the

00:38:23.660 case. It's not your fault. You could only save one. So it's just not, it's not synonymous with

00:38:30.920 abortion. Abortion is not choosing someone to save from a fire. Abortion is tossing someone into the

00:38:39.420 fire. Very different. All right. This is from, um, Tom says, hi, man. I was traveling home from

00:38:50.540 Chicago today. Listen to your podcast. When I look up to see you standing right next to me in the

00:38:53.940 pre-check line, I know that you're an introvert for being an avid listener to your show. And

00:38:58.020 knowing my introverted self, I certainly would not like someone coming up to me while I was rushing

00:39:02.000 through security line, trying to take out my laptop, take off my shoes, et cetera. I wanted to take

00:39:05.580 the chance to, uh, to thank you. But by the time you were through security, I'd lost you. Uh, well,

00:39:10.560 you could have come up to me, Tom. I always, uh, I always appreciate that. But, um, I am, it says I'm

00:39:19.220 from Philadelphia. Unfortunately, I could not attend the rally last week. Many of my family members were

00:39:23.620 there. Thank you for organizing such an amazing day. And thank you for all that you've done for the

00:39:27.500 pro-life movement. I got to listen to your speech and rally during my lunch break. It was very moving.

00:39:31.840 Uh, I didn't realize I was gonna be reading a bunch of compliments to myself, honestly,

00:39:34.520 but I appreciate it, Tom. Um, my wife and I have prayed slash ministered that Planned Parenthood

00:39:40.820 with 40 days for life. And it made me so proud to see so many pro-lifers come together in response

00:39:44.680 to Brian Sims made me proud as well. I agree. We are beginning to see a shift in the culture.

00:39:49.140 And I believe it has a lot to do with your constant, uh, battle for life and willingness

00:39:52.740 to stand up in the face of death. Um, okay. I don't want to, no disrespect. I'm going to skip ahead to

00:39:59.200 the, I don't want to keep reading these. I appreciate it. I'll, I'll, I'll finish reading it off air.

00:40:03.460 I just feel uncomfortable reading compliments about me publicly. Uh, it feels very self-serving.

00:40:10.000 All right. Here's the, um, question. Uh, uh, maybe there was, okay. My question would be,

00:40:17.620 what is your advice on sharing a pro-family pro-life message in the corporate workplace

00:40:22.180 where any mention of these issues is frowned upon? All right. Um, there was a question. Well,

00:40:28.760 uh, yeah, I get this kind of question a lot. And I think of the quote that's attributed to St.

00:40:35.420 Francis of Assisi, which I think maybe he didn't actually say, but, uh, it's, you know, uh, preach

00:40:40.780 the gospel if necessary, use words. I'm sure you've heard that before. And I think it's a very similar

00:40:46.300 thing for the situation that you're in corporate workplace. Um, you, you, you can't go around,

00:40:54.680 uh, lecturing people about the pro-life cause or, you know, sharing your political opinions all the

00:41:01.780 time in the workplace. You just can't do that. It's not, it's not the appropriate place for it.

00:41:05.300 Uh, your, the, your, your bosses and the P your employer probably does not want that.

00:41:13.060 And, and for good reason, you know, because that's not, you're at the job to do a job. You're not there

00:41:17.840 to have political arguments. It's not going to be conducive to a productive work environment. When,

00:41:23.060 when, when there are political debates about abortion and everything. Um, so I think in that

00:41:29.300 scenario, that's a time for preaching the message without using words. And if you're just, which it

00:41:38.700 sounds like you are just a decent, good person, um, and demonstrating that to people, then when they

00:41:49.000 discover, if it ever comes up, if you ever are talking to them outside of work, or if

00:41:53.020 somehow it does come up and they, they discover that, oh, you're pro-life, you're pro-family,

00:41:57.260 you're a Christian. Once, when they discover that they're going to, they're, they're all of a sudden

00:42:01.220 going to make this association between, oh, this is a person's against abortion. I also know is a

00:42:06.820 very decent and good person. And that's going to be a very powerful witness for them. And you didn't

00:42:12.240 even need to say anything. They just see it and they connect those two things because there are a

00:42:15.760 lot of people who, who, who just, who really, you know, you, you hear from, uh, this argument from,

00:42:20.480 from pro-abortion people, oh, you're just pro birth. You don't care about anyone after they're

00:42:24.320 born. Right. It's so, it's so absurd. The people who say that these are people who, it seems like

00:42:28.360 have never met a pro-life person because if you ever actually met a pro-life person, you would

00:42:32.740 realize that these are people who are very often are very charitable, very compassionate, very

00:42:37.480 generous. And so you are providing that witness to other people just by being a decent person. Um,

00:42:44.720 and that's how I would go about that. Um, finally from Matt says your argument for rapist loving

00:42:52.380 abortion is not a good argument. The rapist DNA could still be collected from an aborted baby. Also

00:42:56.360 a baby doesn't have to be carried to term to obtain the baby's genetic material. Genetic testing

00:43:01.140 such as T21 can pick up the baby's genetic material in the mother's bloodstream in the first

00:43:05.120 trimester. To be clear, I'm fairly close to your position on abortion. Generally, I just think that

00:43:09.340 part of the argument was poorly thought out. Well, um, I appreciate that point of view,

00:43:16.380 but as I tried to explain that, um, that would require the abortion clinics to actually report

00:43:24.120 the abuse and to be proactive. And what we've discovered is that abortion clinics very often

00:43:29.500 are not going to do that. They're not interested in getting, in getting involved in that, in reporting

00:43:34.420 it. In fact, they have a vested financial interest in not reporting it. And their interest is number

00:43:41.400 one, uh, you know, rape victims are still paying for the abortion. So they make money off of it.

00:43:47.040 And number two, they don't want this association to be, they don't want people to realize that,

00:43:54.240 oh, you know, rapists try to use abortion to cover up rape. They don't want to call attention to that.

00:43:58.720 They don't want to call attention to the fact that, um, you know, a, a, a, a rapist father brought his

00:44:06.900 victim in to get an abortion. They don't want to call attention to that. So they're more likely to

00:44:10.540 ignore it. And number three, we keep in mind what these people do for a living. They kill human beings

00:44:19.440 for a living. This is what they do every day. So obviously these are not going to be people who you

00:44:27.300 can trust to make ethical decisions. These are going to be self-centered people who care about

00:44:32.500 the bottom line and are completely callous towards suffering and towards innocent human life. They

00:44:38.460 have to be in order to do this for a living, which is why you just can't trust them for anything.

00:44:45.120 And it's, it's why it just doesn't work. It doesn't work to have a, you say, well, you get abortion

00:44:50.560 clinics and you have all these regulations and laws and you expect them to do this and that. And what

00:44:54.160 you find is that abortion clinics, they ignore the regulations, they ignore the laws, they ignore

00:44:58.620 the reporting requirements. They ignore the health, uh, codes and everything else because, because

00:45:04.740 again, they kill people for a living. What do they, what do they care about? A reporting requirement,

00:45:11.440 rape, abuse, sanitizing the equipment. They don't care about that. They have had to, they've,

00:45:18.500 they've forfeited their souls just to do this for a living. These are, these are people who don't even

00:45:24.700 have it in them to make ethical decisions, which is why we could never trust them to do the right

00:45:32.260 thing and to call someone and report. It doesn't mean that, I mean, sometimes maybe someone over there

00:45:37.660 does do the right thing, but we can never trust them to do the right thing. And we have to expect

00:45:41.760 that very often they will not. And then if the abortion, if they do the, in the examples I gave

00:45:48.640 to do the abortion, the dead child is discarded as medical waste and that's it. It's gone. Um,

00:45:56.900 and that's the evidence is gone. Um, a lot more than evidence is gone. A human life is gone,

00:46:03.260 but also the evidence of the crime is gone. And the, one of the reasons why that is so terrible

00:46:08.760 is that not only will this rapist not face justice, but then that child will be sent home

00:46:14.840 with the rapist as in the examples I've provided. That's exactly what happened. All right. Um,

00:46:21.180 but thank you for the email. Thanks everybody for watching and listening. Godspeed.

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The Matt Walsh Show - May 16, 2019

Ep 261 - Why Pro-Lifers Can't Support Rape Exceptions

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