Ep 261 - Why Pro-Lifers Can't Support Rape Exceptions
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Alabama Governor Kay Ivey signed a bill banning abortion in all but the most extreme cases in the state. Some pro-lifers are not happy about this, and others are concerned that it is going too far, too fast.
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God bless Alabama, folks. Governor Kay Ivey, as I'm sure you heard, who is a woman, by the way,
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but now I suppose an honorary member of the patriarchy, signed a near-complete abortion
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ban into law in Alabama yesterday. It's a great victory for the pro-life movement. It's a great
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day for America, for liberty, life-loving Americans. This is a great day. But not everyone
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is happy, of course. Obviously, abortion enthusiasts are not enthused. They are extremely
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upset, to put it mildly. And we'll get to them in a minute, but leaving them aside for just a
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moment, even some so-called pro-lifers are concerned. They have concerns about this bill. They're very
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concerned. Even Pat Robertson came out and said that it's too extreme. It's an extreme bill.
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And other conservatives have echoed this, saying, well, I'm pro-life, but, but, and then proceeding
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to explain why this victory for the pro-life cause is not really a victory at all. And, you know, it's,
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it's, it's, it's not the right strategy and blah, blah, blah. Listen, I had, you're entitled to your
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own opinion. I have little patience, patience for it because we're finally making real strides. We're
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finally achieving big wins in multiple States and still conservatives are not happy. They're worried
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that we're going too far, too fast, et cetera, et cetera. You know what? 60 million babies have been
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killed. Okay. Abortion has been legal for 46 years and 60 million babies have been killed in the
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meantime. And you're worried we're going too fast. We're going too far. 46 years of slaughter isn't
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enough. 46 years of gradual victories. Isn't gradual enough. It's not enough incrementalism for you.
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Wait, so should we wait another 20 years? I know, not at Alabama. Now's not the right time. Let's wait
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until 2040. How about that? It's good. Let's get another 40, 50 years under our belt.
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Um, stop it. This is, we are having this fight right now, whether you like it or not,
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it's happening. We've done the incremental thing for long enough. And now we're going for the throat.
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We are going for the abortion industry's throat. That's what we're doing. Uh, and if you consider
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yourself conservative, get on board or go hide under your bed, but whatever you want to do, it's up to
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you. If it makes your tummy hurt, I'm excited. My tummy hurt a little bit. I'm a little uncomfortable.
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Hey guys, I'm a little uncomfortable with this. We'll go be uncomfortable in your home.
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Make yourself a nice little, uh, a cup of tea and you can sit on your couch and the rest of us will
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have this fight. Just don't stand in the way is the point because the rest of us have finally gotten
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to a point. I think there are a lot of people who finally got to the point where we, where we just,
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we can't, we can't take any more of the slaughter and the bloodshed. We can't, we can't tolerate it
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anymore. We're not going to. And so yes, extreme. Yeah, sure. Sure. Pat Robertson, we're extreme.
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It's a, it's extreme. We are extremely pro-life. We are extremely against killing babies, any baby
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for any reason in any context. That's what we're saying. And that is a, a coherent, logical,
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and morally correct point of view. Uh, and so it's, it's happening. I really believe,
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as I've been saying that, uh, there's a, there's a threshold has been crossed and we're not going
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back across it. Now related to this topic, um, yours truly has been trending on Twitter and that's,
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that's never a good thing. At least for me, I, you know, I've never trended on Twitter for,
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uh, because everyone agrees with something I said and they're talking about how much they like me.
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That's never happened for me. Uh, never goes that way. The angry mob has been coming after me
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because of an entirely valid and true point that I made about abortion. And when I say angry,
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I mean, very angry. My inbox is, uh, I have just tens of thousands of people have
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been, um, expressing their disgust with me. And, uh, I've got hundreds of messages just to give you
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an idea here, here are a couple of messages. I'll just read a few that I've gotten, uh, because of my
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position, uh, on abortion. Uh, someone, someone emailed and said, I hope your wife and daughter
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are both brutally raped. Um, someone else says you are, you are an effing retard. Uh,
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I wish your mom aborted you. Um, a lot of that kind of thing. I wish you were aborted, uh, kill
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yourself, jump off a bridge, kill yourself. A lot of, a lot of kill yourselves. Uh, somebody,
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someone messaged and said, you're the best reason for abortion I've ever encountered.
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It is a crime that your mother failed to exercise her right. And you now breathe the free air.
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One can only hope that by some happening that error in judgment is remedied. This is not a threat,
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but a hope, a wish that you and all who think as you do are permanently silenced.
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And that was, uh, that was a message from Tom McCurdy Sr. At Tom, T-O-M-M-C-C-U-R-D-Y-S-R. Um,
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that he, so he's wishing that pro-lifers are permanently silenced. He's wishing death on us. He
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wants us dead. Me specifically, but if you're a pro-life, then you too. Um, also, uh, another,
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another, uh, message is from at P-E-Y ghost at P-E-Y ghost, um, says absolute effing idiot you are,
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don't reproduce, abort all three of your already born children. So wishing death on my children.
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And by the way, you know, I, I put these, uh, I put these messages out there. I, I, I published
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these messages on my Twitter and I made sure to include the person's face and name and Twitter
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handle. Um, and I'm sharing it here now because here's the thing. Uh, if you're going to wish
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death on me or my family, then you don't get to do it privately. Uh, I'm not going to respect your
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privacy. I'm going to publish that for everyone to see. So if, if that's, if that's the kind of
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that's, no, you don't get to do that. You don't get to whisper that one to me. I'm going to,
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I'm going to pull the megaphone out and you could say it to everybody. You know, it's like,
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it's like a, remember in school, if you, uh, you know, if you brought a snack into school,
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well, you can't, you can't eat the snack. You have to have enough for the whole,
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share with the whole class. So it's kind of like that. If you want to wish death on children,
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uh, or on your opponents, then you got to share with the whole class. You don't get to just keep
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that to, it's not, it's not going to stay between us. It's not, it's, that's not a message being
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passed between us. No, it's not how it's going to work. Um, so a lot of stuff like that. And why?
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Well, because I pointed out that rapists, um, use abortion to cover their tracks and that abortion
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restrictions can actually protect, uh, rape victims. Whereas abortion clinics often exploit
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rape victims and can cause rape to continue. Now I made that point in, in an exchange that began
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with someone responding to Michael Knowles, uh, after Knowles pointed out that cases of rape and
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incest account for, you know, less than 1% of all abortions. And someone responded to that and said,
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Michael Knowles is playing down the horrible fact of the Alabama abortion ban, that if a 12 year old
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girl gets raped by her dad, she has to carry the baby and that the rapist will spend less time in
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prison than a doctor who aborts the baby. This is immoral. Now I responded to that and said,
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if a 12 year old is raped by her father and the father takes her to get an abortion, the evidence
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of the crime will be destroyed and he will go on molesting his victim for years. If however,
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the child is born, his crime will be discovered and she'll be rescued from the abuse. And then I
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continue. And this exact kind of scenario happens all the time with the help of the fine folks at
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Planned Parenthood who are more than happy to assist an abuser in covering up the abuse. And then I
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provided a link with examples of precisely this sort of thing. Now, do I apologize for making this
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point? No, no, I do not. Uh, not even a little bit. I'm not ever going to apologize for saying
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something that's true is never, ever going to happen ever period. Now here is a, here's a story
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from al.com, alabama.com. It's a, so right out of Alabama. Um, it says a Planned Parenthood center
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in a mobile provided two abortions for a 14 year old mother of two in a span of four months in 2014
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and failed to report that she was possibly the victim of sexual abuse. According to a report from
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the Alabama department of health, the report States, the clinic is required by law to report
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possible abuse and neglect, but failed to do so after providing services to the teenager identified
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as MR 16. Um, so this, you, you've got just one example, 14 year old girl coming in twice in the
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span of a couple of months pregnant and the clinic does not report it. There are many examples of this
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kind of thing. Live action had a whole expose on this. Uh, and I encourage you to Google it and find
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their report. They did a report about Planned Parenthood covering up sexual abuse. Let me read a few of
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the examples that they provide in their report. Okay. So reading from their report, this is what they say.
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Denise Fairbanks had been sexually abused by her father, abused by her father since she was 13.
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When she became pregnant at age 16, he forced her to have an abortion at Planned Parenthood. Although
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she told the staff that he was raping her, they refused to report the incident. Instead, they sent her
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home with him where he continued to abuse her for another year and a half. So that is pretty much
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exactly the kind of scenario that I mentioned. The abortion happens. It's not reported. The child is sent
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home and the abuse continues. Now I was told that I'm a monster for say, but this, this is this,
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that exact thing happened. And this is not the only example. George Savannah had repeatedly raped
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his daughter and impregnated her when she was 14, 16 and 17 years old, each time taking her to Planned
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Parenthood and forcing her to get an abortion. Planned Parenthood neglected to report any of the
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three suspicious incidents to authorities. So you've got fathers bringing their 13, 14, 15 year old
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daughters in for abortions. No questions asked, no report, nothing. Police aren't called. Timothy
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David Smith had sexually abused his stepdaughter for seven years and took her to Planned Parenthood when
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she became pregnant at 13. Planned Parenthood performed an abortion without notifying her parents
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without reporting the suspected abuse to authorities as required by law. Planned Parenthood performed an
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abortion on a 12 year old at the request of a, of her 23 year old foster brother, who was also her
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abuser. Sean Michael Stevens took her home afterwards and continued to rape her. Planned Parenthood not
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only neglected to notify authorities, but also failed to notify the victim's foster parents that they
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were going to perform the abortion. Okay. So this does happen. Now keep in mind, all those people wishing
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death on me and my children is simply because I pointed out that this kind of thing happens.
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The minions of the abortion industry, radical pro-abortion zealots are truly some of the most
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vicious people on earth. And I, this is not my first run in with them by a long shot. If you,
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if you go after their sacred cow, if you desecrate the altar that they worship upon
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the abortion altar, they will come after you in just no holds barred and they will feel perfectly
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justified in doing it. So the people that are messaging me and saying, I hope that your five-year-old
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daughter is raped. The thing that's really crazy about that is the person who sent that message
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feels justified actually thinks that he or she is justified in doing that. And that was sent
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anonymously. It's the only reason I didn't share the name of the person who sent me that. I would
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love to share the name if I had it. Um, now as for the issue of rape and abortion more broadly,
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as you've heard, okay, of course the, the Alabama law does not provide for rape exceptions. And this fact
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has been a topic of very loud discussion and much outrage. Um, I addressed it briefly yesterday,
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but now I want to spend a little bit more time on it now and kind of try to explain, um,
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why I think that it's, it's right to not have the rape exceptions. Um,
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I think mainly there are two points to be made here. Okay. One, as, uh, as Michael Knowles alluded
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to, uh, abortion due to rape is very, very rare. The vast majority of abortions have nothing to do
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with rape. Um, the Guttmacher Institute surveyed pro-abortion women, and they found that the top
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six reasons for getting an abortion accounting for 85% of all cases were, uh, and I'll read them to
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you, not ready for a child. Can't afford a baby have completed my child bearing. Don't want to be
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a single mother. Don't feel mature enough and would interfere with education or career plans.
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Okay. Those are the top six reasons for getting an abortion. 85% of all cases. And those are abortions
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for lifestyle reasons. They are getting rid of the baby because the baby would interfere with the kind
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of life they want to live. Uh, less than 1% of all respondents said that they were rape victims.
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Considering how often rape comes up in the abortion discussion, you would think that something like
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half of all women who walk into a Planned Parenthood on a given day are rape victims,
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but that is clearly not the case. Instead of half, it's more like half of 1%. So why do we focus
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disproportionately on these rare and difficult cases? Because pro-abortion people would much rather
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talk about a 15 year old girl who gets an abortion because she was raped by her father than a grown
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woman who gets an abortion because she doesn't want the, the, you know, the baby to interfere with
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her career. They would much rather talk about the former than the latter because the latter is,
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uh, is, is makes abortion seem cruel and self-centered and, uh, just totally destructive and murderous.
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And that's what abortion is. And abortion for that reason is many times more common than an abortion
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for rape. So in other words, they don't want to talk about the vast majority, you know, the 85 to 90%
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where it's just pretty much clear cut, self-centered. I'm killing the baby because I don't feel like,
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I just don't feel like, I don't feel like having a baby. Um, they don't want to talk about that big
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chunk of, uh, of cases because it's just really difficult to try to defend that. And yet still,
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you know, uh, appear to be taking a, a morally acceptable position because if you're going to
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defend that a woman that's killing a baby, just because, yeah, I just don't feel like having a
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baby. If you're going to defend that, you just, you, you really, you have to basically abandon
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morality completely and say, yeah, you know, I don't, I don't care about fine. It's immoral. I
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don't care. There's really just no way to try to dress that up in moral language. It's just not
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possible to do. So that's why they want to focus on the, uh, on the rare and difficult cases.
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So that's the first thing. Second thing, now that we've established that pro-abortion people focus
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on hard cases in order to, in order to distract from their real position and that abortion
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restrictions will actually protect rape victims and help assist in bringing rapists to justice.
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Once we qualified those, the discussion with those two crucial points, I think that we can
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then move on to addressing the question at hand, which is, should there be exceptions to
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allow raped women to get abortions? The answer is no. The pro-life case is simple. Okay.
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We believe that abortion should be outlawed because unborn humans are people and all people
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are endowed with inherent rights and dignities. There is no other reason to be pro-life. Um,
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and if we're wrong on either point, if we're wrong about, you know, unborn humans, if we're
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wrong that unborn humans are people, or if we're wrong that all people are endowed with human
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rights, if we're wrong about either of those points, then there's no reason to be pro-life
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at all. There's just no reason. But if that's the case, then we don't need to get into rape and
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incest exceptions, right? Abortion should simply be legal across the board. If personhood lies on a
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spectrum contingent on a human being's ability to care for himself, then forget about limiting
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abortion just to rape cases. Actually, we, we shouldn't even limit it to the womb.
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So if we pro-lifers are wrong about our fundamental point, then yeah, of course, uh, raped women should
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be able to get abortions, but also any woman should be able to get an abortion for any reason. And
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probably even after birth, she should be allowed to get abortions. Now, on the other hand, if we're
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right, if it's true that unborn humans are people and thus in intrinsically deserving of the same legal
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protections that you and I enjoy, then again, there is no reason to discuss exceptions. A baby conceived
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in rape is not any less of a person than one conceived consensually. Okay. If, if we believe that unborn
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people are people and people have rights, it would be incoherent and contradictory for us to say, well,
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except for, there are no except fours. That's the point. That's our whole point. People are people are
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people to pretend that a baby conceived in rape is not a person would be nonsensical to admit that he
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is a person, but still execute him for his father's sins is morally abominable and unjustifiable. We,
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we cannot remain consistently pro-life while supporting exceptions because the exceptions
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must either be based on the belief that not all unborn people are people, or that sometimes it is
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actually okay to kill a defenseless and innocent human being, but either claim would contradict and
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ultimately destroy our entire case. So I say that one more time. If we support exceptions,
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then we must either be saying that actually, as it turns out, not all unborn people are people,
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which would destroy the pro-life case, or we need to be saying that actually sometimes it is okay to
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murder an innocent and defenseless human being, which again, destroys our entire case.
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Because if that's, if that's the case, then, um, if, if we're saying that, well, okay, you know,
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I mean, sometimes you could kill an innocent and defenseless human being, then, okay, you're making
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an exception for rape, but then why not? I mean, what, what about a woman who's just, uh, she hasn't
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been raped, but she's poor and you know, having the baby would be very difficult for her. And what
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about all these other difficult cases? I mean, if you're saying that sometimes it is okay to kill
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an innocent and defenseless human being, then that, then why didn't, why wouldn't that apply to these
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other cases too? It just seems arbitrary. It seems like we either take a hard line stance that it is
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never okay to kill an innocent and defenseless human being ever under any circumstance.
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We take that position or we say that sometimes it is okay. And if we take the approach,
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then I think we've opened the floodgates, um, to,
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then suddenly everything becomes an exception. Um, because if it's, if it can be okay to kill,
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to intentionally kill an innocent and defenseless human being, then I guess what we're saying is
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that human life is not actually quite as valuable as we had been insisting all this time.
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Okay. Uh, so that's, that's, that's where it comes down to. And that doesn't mean, listen,
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Obviously when we're talking about these extreme rare hard cases, obviously I have nothing but
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compassion and sympathy for a woman who is in that position. It's unimaginable. I mean,
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it really is unimaginable. And, uh, I, as I said yesterday, I think if you want to talk about
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aborting rapists, if you want to talk about abortion for the scumbag who raped her, then we could
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definitely have that discussion. I think there's a case to be made for that for sure. Uh, for executing
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rapists. Um, we, we could definitely talk about that because of what a just horrific, unthinkable
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barbaric crime it is to do that to someone. You just, you, you have to be an animal. You have
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basically by your own decision, you have forfeited your humanity.
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And, um, and that's why I say, you know, it's never okay to intentionally kill an innocent and
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defenseless human being, but that doesn't mean that it's, that it's, that it's necessarily wrong
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to kill a guilty and, uh, and a dangerous human being. So, you know, that's, if we want to,
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if, if, if someone is going to be punished for a rape, then I think obviously we punish the rapist
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and punish him severely. But I just, I don't see how you punish the child with death, especially.
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Um, and I don't see how that is going to help the woman heal either.
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You know, adding more death and suffering and misery
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in the longterm. I don't see how that helps anyone. I don't see how it ever can.
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So that's, you know, so that that's, that's the, the, the, an important point. Also,
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we, we, we seem to struggle with this, with a nuance here where, where, you know, you have the
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objective quality of an act. So we say, so I say abortion is objectively evil and it is,
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it is an objectively inherently evil act and it is never okay. It is always evil to do.
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However, the, the moral culpability of an individual who engages in an evil act can vary.
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It can vary tremendously, significantly. So I would say that in these extreme cases,
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there's a 15 year old girl's raped, um, and, uh, and gets an abortion.
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People say, well, you're, you're, you're heartless. You would call that evil. Well,
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it is an evil act. Yes. But it would also seem to me that the moral guilt of the girl in that
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position is severely mitigated. Now I can't, I can't sit here and say how, how, how, how mitigated
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precisely it is. That's not for me to say, it's for God to say, but it does seem to me that it is
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severely mitigated. Um, given the situation that she's in and that this is a, what is someone who's
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been abused is afraid is, I mean, just is, you can't even imagine the mindset of someone like
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that. So I can acknowledge all of that. I understand those nuances and I acknowledge how,
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when we talk about hard cases, I acknowledge just how hard they really are. And I also acknowledge
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that because I've never been in that position, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't fully appreciate
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how hard they really are. I acknowledge all of that, but it doesn't change the fact that a person
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is a person. There is a person, there is another person involved in that person is a person and it
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doesn't matter how hard the case is. It will not detract from the personhood of this third person
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who is now involved. All right. Um, let's move on before we get to emails. I wrote something
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yesterday with kind of a clickbaity title, admittedly, but I do feel that I back it up.
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So it's not really clickbait, but the title is, uh, the simple preschool level question that no leftist
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can answer. And, and here's the, here's the point I was trying to make. Um, and I made this point before,
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but I, I'm just going to lay it out now. Um, because I have been, there's a certain question
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that I have been desperately asking with, with increasing desperation. I've been asking this
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question of leftists, people on the left, trying to get someone to answer it. And so now I put it
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out here in this forum as well. If there's anyone on the left watching right now, I've got a question
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for you. And I, I really, I would just love to hear your answer. And I mean that sincerely. It's a
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very simple question. Like I said, preschool level. I just want to know what your answer is.
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Um, now you'll, you'll notice of course, that folks on the left use the word woman quite a bit.
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Uh, we all use the word woman, right? It's a, it's a common word to use, but especially leftists,
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they make claims about women. They, they say that, uh, these people known as women have something
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called women's rights. They say that those rights are under attack. They say that women are
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persecuted and disadvantaged by something called male privilege. They say that women, um, are the
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victims of, uh, something called a wage gap. They say things like we need a woman president,
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right? They say all that kind of stuff. They also say that biological males can be women. They say
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trans women are women. They say that someone can start out life as a male and then transition into a
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woman. So they make many other claims in that vein. But how can I understand any of those claims if I do
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not know what they mean when they say the word woman and how can, how can they make any meaningful
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statements about women if they themselves don't know what they mean by it? So the question I ask is
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this, what is a woman? Simple question. What is a woman? Define the word. Now, in fairness, I'll
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provide my own definition. I tend to agree with Merriam-Webster that woman means an adult female
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person. That's the dictionary definition. That is also the definition that the whole history of human
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civilization would have, would have, uh, would have given, uh, up until very recently. But you on the
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left, you disagree. You say that biology has nothing to do with womanhood. Well, then what does have
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something to do with womanhood? If we cannot define a woman physically, how can we define her? What is a
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woman? You know, your definition must be specific if you make all of these specific statements about what
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it's like to be a woman, the trials and tribulations that women face, the indignities that women suffer
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and so on. Um, you know, we were told that Captain Marvel was a, was an important movie because it
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had a, it was a woman led superhero film. Okay. Well, so that means what? That Brie Larson is a woman.
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Okay. Uh, well now we're getting somewhere. Brie Larson is a woman. I agree with you there.
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Uh, Brie Larson is also an adult female with all of the biological markers of a female. So the picture
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seems to be coming into focus. Maybe Webster had it right after all, but wait a second.
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You also say that Caitlyn Jenner and Chelsea Manning are women, despite the fact that they are both
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adult males, not females. You say that they're all three equally women, Brie Larson, Caitlyn Jenner,
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Chelsea Manning. You say they're all indistinguishable. They're women, woman, woman, woman. Well,
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suddenly the picture becomes foggy again. I've been told by the few people that have attempted to answer
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this question. And there have been a few, I've been putting this question out everywhere. Uh,
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and, uh, and a few people have tried to answer it on the left. And the answer that I've gotten is that
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a woman is anyone who identifies as a woman, but that definition doesn't work because you can't use
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the word you're defining in the definition. If I ask you for the definition of tree and you tell me
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that a tree is that which, you know, a tree is that which is a tree. Well, you've told me nothing
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about trees. I need you to explain trees using words that don't include the word tree. You can't
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use the word of the desk. So what's the definition of desk? Well, desk is desk. Doesn't work. Uh, I need
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you to explain the word without using the word. I need you to explain woman using words that don't
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include woman. Give me a definition of woman that does not have the word woman in it. That's what a
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definition is. So what is a woman? You might say that a woman is an adult human female or anyone who
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identifies as an adult human female, but that's just another way of saying that a woman is an adult
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human female or not an adult human female. And that's just another way of saying that, that a woman
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is nothing in particular. Woman has no definition. If that is the definition, then woman has no
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definition. And it would be nonsensical to identify as a woman in that case, because you're identifying
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as something that is not really anything. When a man says, I identify as a woman. Okay. What,
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what is that thing that you're, what do you mean by that is the question. What do you mean by that?
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What is it that you're identifying as? That is a fair question.
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If you can't answer it, then that's a problem. Now I'll be told that words like woman and man
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are on a spectrum. Okay. Well then tell me about this spectrum. Fine. It's on a spectrum. It's not on
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a spectrum, but I'll go along with it for a moment for the sake of argument. Spectrum, right?
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So spectrum, you got point A, point B, and then you've got the, the, you know, the gradual increments
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between. Okay. What are these things on either side of the spectrum? Define the people who exist on
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either side, define the people who exist on what I would call the woman's side of the spectrum.
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If someone is on the spectrum. So if someone is like right here on the spectrum between woman and
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man, okay, well, what does that mean? They're between what and what? You can't escape the definition
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problem by talking about spectrums. If the spectrum takes us from one undefinable thing to another
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undefinable thing, then it's not a spectrum. It's more like a black hole where all sense and reason
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and the very laws of science break down. So what exactly does any of this mean? What is a woman?
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Is a woman in the end, just anyone who enjoys feminine things or dresses in a feminine way?
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Well, that can't be it because we can't define feminine until we've defined the word woman.
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The definition of feminine hinges very much on the definition of woman. And also this definition
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would turn a lot of women into non-women and a lot of non-women into women. Besides the left has
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been trying to break down the societal construct of feminine versus masculine for years. Surely you
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can't go from not all women should be expected to be feminine to the only defining characteristic of
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women is that they are feminine. I mean, you can't do such a 180 and undermine everything you've been
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saying for the last 60 years. So what is a woman? It does not seem possible to formulate a definition
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of woman that rejects biology while still allowing women to be objective, unique, and discernible
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things, while still allowing womanhood to be a discernible category.
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But I invite anyone to prove me wrong. I invite any leftist to prove me wrong.
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What is a woman? That's the question. And you can email me, mattwalshow at gmail.com.
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Now, if you're a rational person and you know that a woman is an adult human female, then I don't
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need your answer. I know what you're answering. But if you're on the left and you subscribe to the
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leftist gender theory, give me a definition. And if you can give me one that makes sense,
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I'll read it on the show and I will admit that I have been defeated. I really don't think that's
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going to happen. I don't think you can define a word. I think it is a word you use all the time,
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but that you cannot define. According to your political, according to the dictates of your
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ideology, you can't define it. All right. Let's see. Okay. Mattwalshow at gmail.com. We'll go to
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emails from Lisa says, greetings, Matt. I've seen some pro boards online trying to prove hypocrisy and
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pro-lifers by claiming that we don't care about frozen embryos that are destroyed. So we aren't
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really pro-life from conception. I actually can't recall ever hearing about frozen embryos in the
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pro-life conversation at all. What's your take on it morally and legally? Is it even moral to have
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embryos artificially created and frozen, much less discarded? Well, that is something that comes up
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in discussion, I think frequently. And a lot of pro-lifers are spoken out about this,
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are outspoken about it, I should say. And the answer is no, I don't think that it is ethical
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to create these embryos like they are just resources and keep them in a, in a storage locker
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somewhere, keep them in a, in a freezer somewhere. Um, I think it is the, the, I mean, in a real
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literal sense, it's the objectification, or maybe I should say the commodification of human life and
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turning human life into a commodity and saying, Oh, you know, I got, I got, I got 50, uh, embryos in
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storage. And, you know, if I get around to using one of them, I got, I got back, I got spares and I
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got backups. Um, I think it's a, it's a very dangerous thing. It is not respecting of the
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dignity of the human person. And, um, so that's where I stand on that. Now, a variation of this is
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you'll, I thought that's where you were going to go with this, where somebody will say, um,
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okay, well you're, you're in a, uh, you know, you're in a fertility clinic and, and, uh, there's
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a fire and you could only say, and there's, there's a, you know, 10 frozen embryos in a box,
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uh, or a thousand frozen embryos in a box. And there's a two-year-old child. You can only save
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one in the fire. Uh, now why is the two-year-old child in the freezer with the embryos? I have no
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idea, but that's the hypothetical. You can only save one, which one do you save? And, uh, maybe,
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I don't know if you've heard this, this brain teaser before I've addressed it before. Um,
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I think one of the first pieces I ever wrote for the daily wire was actually addressing this
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question. And just very briefly, the answer of course, is that you would save the two-year-old
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child, right? I mean, anybody would, that is, I guess, supposed to prove that we don't really
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consider embryos to be human life, but of course it proves no such thing. Um, I would save a two-year-old
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over a 72-year-old. I would probably save a two-year-old over a, you know, 30-year-old.
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Um, I would save a two-year-old over someone who's, you know, uh, uh, probably over someone
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who's terminally ill. Um, I would save, I would save the two-year-old over a lot of people.
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And does that mean that I don't think the other people are people? If I, if I save the two-year-old
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over someone who's 72, does that mean that I don't think that I think 72-year-olds aren't human
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beings or they aren't people or their life, their lives aren't, aren't, uh, worthwhile or,
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or that they are somehow worth less than the two-year-old? No, it doesn't mean that at all.
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It just means that in that extremely difficult and of course also far-fetched and ridiculous scenario,
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you have to make a quick decision. And that decision is not going to be based on which of
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these are human. It's going to be based on other things. First of all, there's going to be,
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there's going to be emotion to it. Like you see a two-year-old that just elicits certain emotions
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from you. And so you're going to respond to those emotions and that's, that's fine. Uh, and you'll,
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maybe you make other calculations and you, and you say in this case that look, the, you know, uh,
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the two-year-old has his whole life in front of him. 72-year-olds already lived a long life.
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Uh, I mentioned someone who's terminally ill. I mean, you might make the choice in that scenario.
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Well, two-year-old has a whole life for that. This is someone who's, who's unfortunately,
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near death already. So it's just, you've got to make a decision. And so you make that decision
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there. Um, but again, that does not mean that you're denying the humanity of the person you
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don't save. And another thing, very important is that, uh, you're not killing the other person.
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So if this, if, if, if the hypothetical is, well, uh, you got to toss one of them into the fire,
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you got to say, you either got to toss the embryos into the fire or the child into the fire. Well,
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the answer to that is neither, even with a gun to your head, you, you should do neither and die
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rather than do that. Uh, because it is never okay to directly intentionally kill innocent and
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defenseless human life. That's the point here. But when you're, when you could only save one and you,
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and you make your choice, you're not killing the other person. If that person dies tragically,
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it's the fire that killed you. You didn't do it unless you set the fire. Assuming that's not the
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case. It's not your fault. You could only save one. So it's just not, it's not synonymous with
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abortion. Abortion is not choosing someone to save from a fire. Abortion is tossing someone into the
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fire. Very different. All right. This is from, um, Tom says, hi, man. I was traveling home from
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Chicago today. Listen to your podcast. When I look up to see you standing right next to me in the
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pre-check line, I know that you're an introvert for being an avid listener to your show. And
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knowing my introverted self, I certainly would not like someone coming up to me while I was rushing
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through security line, trying to take out my laptop, take off my shoes, et cetera. I wanted to take
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the chance to, uh, to thank you. But by the time you were through security, I'd lost you. Uh, well,
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you could have come up to me, Tom. I always, uh, I always appreciate that. But, um, I am, it says I'm
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from Philadelphia. Unfortunately, I could not attend the rally last week. Many of my family members were
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there. Thank you for organizing such an amazing day. And thank you for all that you've done for the
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pro-life movement. I got to listen to your speech and rally during my lunch break. It was very moving.
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Uh, I didn't realize I was gonna be reading a bunch of compliments to myself, honestly,
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but I appreciate it, Tom. Um, my wife and I have prayed slash ministered that Planned Parenthood
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with 40 days for life. And it made me so proud to see so many pro-lifers come together in response
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to Brian Sims made me proud as well. I agree. We are beginning to see a shift in the culture.
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And I believe it has a lot to do with your constant, uh, battle for life and willingness
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to stand up in the face of death. Um, okay. I don't want to, no disrespect. I'm going to skip ahead to
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the, I don't want to keep reading these. I appreciate it. I'll, I'll, I'll finish reading it off air.
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I just feel uncomfortable reading compliments about me publicly. Uh, it feels very self-serving.
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All right. Here's the, um, question. Uh, uh, maybe there was, okay. My question would be,
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what is your advice on sharing a pro-family pro-life message in the corporate workplace
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where any mention of these issues is frowned upon? All right. Um, there was a question. Well,
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uh, yeah, I get this kind of question a lot. And I think of the quote that's attributed to St.
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Francis of Assisi, which I think maybe he didn't actually say, but, uh, it's, you know, uh, preach
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the gospel if necessary, use words. I'm sure you've heard that before. And I think it's a very similar
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thing for the situation that you're in corporate workplace. Um, you, you, you can't go around,
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uh, lecturing people about the pro-life cause or, you know, sharing your political opinions all the
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time in the workplace. You just can't do that. It's not, it's not the appropriate place for it.
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Uh, your, the, your, your bosses and the P your employer probably does not want that.
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And, and for good reason, you know, because that's not, you're at the job to do a job. You're not there
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to have political arguments. It's not going to be conducive to a productive work environment. When,
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when, when there are political debates about abortion and everything. Um, so I think in that
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scenario, that's a time for preaching the message without using words. And if you're just, which it
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sounds like you are just a decent, good person, um, and demonstrating that to people, then when they
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discover, if it ever comes up, if you ever are talking to them outside of work, or if
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somehow it does come up and they, they discover that, oh, you're pro-life, you're pro-family,
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you're a Christian. Once, when they discover that they're going to, they're, they're all of a sudden
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going to make this association between, oh, this is a person's against abortion. I also know is a
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very decent and good person. And that's going to be a very powerful witness for them. And you didn't
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even need to say anything. They just see it and they connect those two things because there are a
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lot of people who, who, who just, who really, you know, you, you hear from, uh, this argument from,
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from pro-abortion people, oh, you're just pro birth. You don't care about anyone after they're
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born. Right. It's so, it's so absurd. The people who say that these are people who, it seems like
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have never met a pro-life person because if you ever actually met a pro-life person, you would
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realize that these are people who are very often are very charitable, very compassionate, very
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generous. And so you are providing that witness to other people just by being a decent person. Um,
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and that's how I would go about that. Um, finally from Matt says your argument for rapist loving
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abortion is not a good argument. The rapist DNA could still be collected from an aborted baby. Also
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a baby doesn't have to be carried to term to obtain the baby's genetic material. Genetic testing
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such as T21 can pick up the baby's genetic material in the mother's bloodstream in the first
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trimester. To be clear, I'm fairly close to your position on abortion. Generally, I just think that
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part of the argument was poorly thought out. Well, um, I appreciate that point of view,
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but as I tried to explain that, um, that would require the abortion clinics to actually report
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the abuse and to be proactive. And what we've discovered is that abortion clinics very often
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are not going to do that. They're not interested in getting, in getting involved in that, in reporting
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it. In fact, they have a vested financial interest in not reporting it. And their interest is number
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one, uh, you know, rape victims are still paying for the abortion. So they make money off of it.
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And number two, they don't want this association to be, they don't want people to realize that,
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oh, you know, rapists try to use abortion to cover up rape. They don't want to call attention to that.
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They don't want to call attention to the fact that, um, you know, a, a, a, a rapist father brought his
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victim in to get an abortion. They don't want to call attention to that. So they're more likely to
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ignore it. And number three, we keep in mind what these people do for a living. They kill human beings
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for a living. This is what they do every day. So obviously these are not going to be people who you
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can trust to make ethical decisions. These are going to be self-centered people who care about
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the bottom line and are completely callous towards suffering and towards innocent human life. They
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have to be in order to do this for a living, which is why you just can't trust them for anything.
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And it's, it's why it just doesn't work. It doesn't work to have a, you say, well, you get abortion
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clinics and you have all these regulations and laws and you expect them to do this and that. And what
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you find is that abortion clinics, they ignore the regulations, they ignore the laws, they ignore
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the reporting requirements. They ignore the health, uh, codes and everything else because, because
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again, they kill people for a living. What do they, what do they care about? A reporting requirement,
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rape, abuse, sanitizing the equipment. They don't care about that. They have had to, they've,
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they've forfeited their souls just to do this for a living. These are, these are people who don't even
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have it in them to make ethical decisions, which is why we could never trust them to do the right
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thing and to call someone and report. It doesn't mean that, I mean, sometimes maybe someone over there
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does do the right thing, but we can never trust them to do the right thing. And we have to expect
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that very often they will not. And then if the abortion, if they do the, in the examples I gave
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to do the abortion, the dead child is discarded as medical waste and that's it. It's gone. Um,
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and that's the evidence is gone. Um, a lot more than evidence is gone. A human life is gone,
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but also the evidence of the crime is gone. And the, one of the reasons why that is so terrible
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is that not only will this rapist not face justice, but then that child will be sent home
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with the rapist as in the examples I've provided. That's exactly what happened. All right. Um,
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but thank you for the email. Thanks everybody for watching and listening. Godspeed.
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