The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 262 - A Satanic Backlash From Death Worshipers

00:00:00.000 Today on the Matt Wall Show, pro-abortion zealots have been threatening me and my family and wishing 0.98

00:00:05.160 rape and death on my children for the past two days. I want to talk about that and explore why

00:00:11.080 the defense of the unborn would provoke such a satanic reaction. Also, Tucker Carlson is

00:00:17.300 accused of saying that it's honorable to force rape victims to have babies. The only problem is

00:00:22.600 that he didn't say that at all. Why is it that pro-abortion people are so willing to openly and

00:00:28.440 blatantly lie? And finally, is it true that pro-lifers don't care about born people who are

00:00:34.180 callous and uncaring? Well, we'll try to put that claim to rest today on the Matt Wall Show.

00:00:43.580 Okay, so I mentioned this briefly yesterday. I want to spend a little bit more time on it.

00:00:47.260 And what I'm going to share with you here, I want you to understand, is not unique. It's not an

00:00:53.000 aberration. And that's really the reason why I'm sharing it, because I want you to know that this

00:00:59.860 is what it's like when you engage on these issues. Over the last 24 hours or so, pro-abortion people

00:01:07.760 have been sending me messages threatening to kill me, rape my wife, rape my children, 1.00

00:01:14.740 my five-year-old daughter. They've wished death on me and my children. They've wished rape on my daughter, 1.00

00:01:20.180 on my wife, on myself. And I'm talking here about just the explicitly violent messages. Now, 0.81

00:01:26.420 if we wanted to get into the standard kind of vile, vicious insults and that sort of thing,

00:01:32.060 well, I've got hundreds of those, of course, but putting those to the side, par for the course,

00:01:35.980 as those are, unfortunately, they shouldn't be, but they are. What I want to focus on are, as I said,

00:01:40.920 the violent messages, either threats of or wishes of violence against me or my family because of my

00:01:48.240 pro-life views. Specifically, what has provoked, it seems, some of these responses is that I have

00:01:55.880 expressed my view that abortion should be illegal in every case, including rape. And I have explained

00:02:01.360 why I feel that way. I'm not going to get into the whole explanation now. I've been doing that all week.

00:02:05.600 You can read what I've written about it. I have explained in detail why I believe that abortion

00:02:10.980 should be illegal in every case, including rape. And just to summarize in one sentence,

00:02:15.140 it comes down to the fact that, in my view, the unborn child is a person and as such is deserving

00:02:20.900 of all the same rights as any other person, of all the same basic human rights. And as such,

00:02:26.960 it's not okay to kill them for any reason. It is, another way of putting it is, it is, in my view,

00:02:35.460 never acceptable to kill an innocent and defenseless person intentionally. Never acceptable.

00:02:41.860 Um, and the manner of their conception is not an exception to that rule. It can't be. Okay. So

00:02:53.380 that's, that's my view in order to show their deep abiding concern for rape victims. Um, these people,

00:03:00.440 however, have been expressing their wish that I become one myself, a rape victim, or that my children 0.98

00:03:06.100 become rape victims. So you can go to my Twitter right now and the pinned tweet has a thread with a 0.66

00:03:11.540 bunch of the screenshots of these threats. Um, I'll, I'm going to go ahead and read the worst ones to

00:03:16.740 you. Like I've said, I've gotten hundreds of messages. I couldn't possibly read them all. I

00:03:20.080 don't possibly have the energy to read them all. So I can't even tell you if these are actually the

00:03:23.780 worst ones. These are just the worst of the ones I've seen. And, um, so we're going to, like I said,

00:03:31.440 read some and, uh, I'm going to read some of these partially and I'm going to read some of these go into

00:03:35.260 great detail. I won't read all the details. I don't think we necessarily need context for,

00:03:40.660 for, for this sort of stuff. So, um, one person says, I'll rape your daughter and your wife. 1.00

00:03:46.780 Then you tell me what you want to do. You piece of S so on and so forth. Um, Jake Fahey messages and 1.00

00:03:56.600 says, wish I could punch your dumb ass face. Uh, you effing mook. I wish rape upon every female in 1.00

00:04:04.780 your family. So they are forced to have the child. Um, someone else says, come to Reading and I'll 1.00

00:04:13.700 spin your jaw. You sex offender. Uh, someone else says you are the best reason for abortion I've ever 1.00

00:04:19.420 encountered. It's a crime that your mother failed to exercise her right. And you now breathe the free

00:04:24.160 error. One can only hope that by some happening, that error in judgment is remedied. This is not

00:04:29.360 a threat, but a hope, a wish that you and all you who, who think as you do are permanently silenced.

00:04:36.980 Andrew Stern at the real Drewski says, you're an effing piece of S. I hope I meet you one day and get

00:04:44.060 to show your face. How I feel. Ollie at Ollie 16, William says, hope your daughter gets raped. Um,

00:04:52.180 at pay go P E Y ghost says, absolute effing idiots. Uh, don't reproduce abort all three of your 1.00

00:05:01.320 already born children. Joey Nichols says, well, you are the exact reason there should be abortion.

00:05:06.980 Clearly your parents were not ready to have you and raise you to be an ignorant clown. 1.00

00:05:10.040 Feel free, feel bad for your kids. They are going to turn out like scum, just like their dad. 1.00

00:05:14.680 Uh, at CB VRNS says, you are an effing retard. Wish your mom aborted you. Um, I hope your daughters 1.00

00:05:25.220 have millions of abortions. Someone else emails, email this to me anonymously. I hope your wife 0.93

00:05:29.820 and daughter are both brutally raped. Someone else says you should jump off a bridge and save the 1.00

00:05:34.540 world a little bit of oxygen. You don't deserve to walk the planet. You piece of S. Someone else 1.00

00:05:39.840 says, kill yourself. There's a lot of kill yourself messages. Won't even read all of them. Uh, 1.00

00:05:44.020 someone else says, kill yourself, dude. Really? Your family would be better off without you. 1.00

00:05:47.880 Someone else at Fox drop. And this is at Fox drop E M O F F underscore says your mother should 0.83

00:05:55.600 have aborted you. Someone else says, um, I'll have you clapped mate. I think that's British for have 1.00

00:06:02.220 you shot other message, uh, come to Reading. You're getting slashed. Then other violent threats from 0.95

00:06:09.600 there. Um, at Lola, the bong from San Francisco couldn't be any more stereotypical. There says 1.00

00:06:18.980 you're an effing idiot. I hope you get raped. Um, and so, as I said, those are just some of the 1.00

00:06:26.920 lowlights from what I read. Now, first of all, uh, some of these people sent me these messages

00:06:37.280 with their real names and pictures attached. The guy who threatened to rape my wife and children, 0.91

00:06:42.440 his name is Tyler Nowicki or Nowicki. I don't know how to pronounce it. N N O W I C K I. Um, 1.00

00:06:50.560 I, I have his picture up on my page. You can go, I, I would really recommend that you go look at his

00:06:55.600 picture because this man is, uh, is, is shouldn't be allowed around. This is obviously a dangerous sick 0.97

00:07:02.820 person who shouldn't be allowed around children. And, um, the reason why, and, you know, fortunately 0.94

00:07:07.660 I published his name and his picture and I got thousands of retweets. I want his friends and

00:07:12.000 family and his employer, if he has one to know that this is the kind of person that he is. Um,

00:07:17.220 the guy who wished, wished rape on every female fan member of my family is named Jeff Fahey. As I 0.97

00:07:22.680 mentioned, his picture and Twitter handle is up on my page as well. Now, the thing is these guys,

00:07:27.740 uh, they, they, they, I don't think they realize this. They realize it now they're starting to

00:07:34.140 realize it, but these guys have really screwed up their lives. Um, it's just not smart. I mean,

00:07:42.440 it's evil, first of all, and disgusting, but also very profoundly stupid to send this kind of crap to 1.00

00:07:49.100 a guy with 200,000 Twitter followers, 700,000 plus Facebook followers, uh, not to mention a podcast 1.00

00:07:54.720 and a daily column on one of the most widely read conservative sites in the world, because I will

00:07:59.480 be writing about this later today. And once again, linking to their pictures and faces and, and, uh,

00:08:04.560 and information. Um, so now your name and your face and the atrocious, disgusting thing that you 0.98

00:08:13.140 said will be plastered everywhere forever. And, and any future employer will find it when they Google 0.98

00:08:19.620 you. So that's, that's the problem, Taylor Nowicki and Jeff Fahey is that forever. Now, whenever

00:08:25.820 someone Googles you, they're going to find that you threatened to rape a child or wished rape on a 1.00

00:08:30.780 child. Uh, this is really a life altering decision that you guys have made and you deserve that 0.98

00:08:40.300 consequence. You absolutely deserve it. As I said yesterday, when, when you say stuff like that,

00:08:47.660 it's not going to remain private. I will, I'm not going to respect your privacy and say,

00:08:51.500 Oh, well, they wanted that to remain between us. No, you see, I, I've got, I, I said that when you

00:08:56.340 have a platform, maybe you don't understand this because you don't, but I do. So I'm going to share

00:09:00.860 this with everyone. And now they're all going to know that this is the kind of thing that you say

00:09:05.220 to people and people need to know. Uh, I mean, I, I wouldn't, I wouldn't want you around. All right.

00:09:11.780 Well, I certainly wouldn't want you around my own children considering what you've said, but I wouldn't,

00:09:15.820 if I was some other person, I wouldn't want you around my children either,

00:09:18.500 given that this is the way you speak. And so now everyone's going to know that, um,

00:09:25.200 threatening or wishing rape on a child. But there's, there are some lines you just don't cross.

00:09:31.880 And, uh, and, and I have, I think I have a lot of tolerance for, you know, as I said,

00:09:39.280 I get vile, disgusting messages all the time and I just ignore them. I don't respond. I don't

00:09:44.000 publish it. I don't try to embarrass anyone. Um, but when you threaten or wish rape

00:09:51.320 on my children, you have gone way, way, way over the line. Like that's not the line. Okay. 0.72

00:09:58.520 The line is way back over there. That's way over the line. Um, and so when you do that,

00:10:06.060 you cause serious problems for yourself and those problems are not going to go away anytime soon.

00:10:12.120 Um, you don't say this stuff about my family. I'm not going to tolerate it. I'm going to protect

00:10:18.260 them and not just protect them physically, but I'm going to protect their honor, which includes

00:10:22.080 punishing you for what you've said about them. Uh, and that's the way this goes, boys. It's just,

00:10:27.460 that's the way it goes. You're going to learn a valuable lesson and, um, you're going to learn it

00:10:31.540 the hard way. Now you may remember when Ilhan Omar was getting death threats. Um, and she said,

00:10:42.800 she said she was getting death threats. And I believe that she was, we were told by the media

00:10:47.420 that criticism of Omar was putting her life at risk, putting her life in jeopardy. We shouldn't

00:10:53.920 criticize her because it, it, it, it, you know, it's, it, it puts her at risk and it encourages this

00:10:58.600 kind of thing. Well, I wonder, will the left show a similar concern for the lives of my children and

00:11:03.020 my wife and myself? Of course, unlike Omar, I would never actually suggest that criticism of me

00:11:09.880 puts my life at risk. Okay. I don't think that you can criticize me all you want. In fact,

00:11:15.280 you could say whatever you want about me. When you, when you, when you get into threats, that's

00:11:20.000 different, but you could say whatever you want about me. The problem is when, as I said, you get into

00:11:24.200 threats or you bring my family into it. That's when you've, that's when you're going to, that's

00:11:28.980 when there's going to be problems, but whatever you want about me, you can say, but if we're talking 0.79

00:11:35.260 about irresponsible rhetoric, which may encourage, um, deranged and sick and disgusting people to say 0.92

00:11:44.940 these kinds of things. Um, well, what about all the leftists who have been lying and accusing me of 0.82

00:11:50.120 defending rape or being pro-rape simply because I don't think babies conceived in rape should be, 0.99

00:11:56.620 should be executed. Um, I mean, Tom Arnold, just as one example, Tom Arnold, uh, sent a tweet

00:12:05.540 implying that I actually am a rapist. So Tom Arnold said, Tom's got Tom Arnold for whatever reason has

00:12:11.540 a lot of followers. And for what, for reasons that escape me, people listen to what this guy has to

00:12:17.580 say. He sent a tweet implying that I'm a rapist. And then he defended that tweet by claiming that I, 0.91

00:12:22.400 that I write that as he says, I write a lot of pro-rape content. Now that's a lie of course,

00:12:29.320 but is that not irresponsible rhetoric? Is that not inflammatory? I mean, if someone can be blamed

00:12:34.780 for the death threat sent to Ilhan Omar because they criticized her, can I blame Tom Arnold for the

00:12:40.160 threats that are coming to my family for, for calling me a rapist? I just, I can't take the

00:12:47.520 hypocrisy. And I especially can't take the way the pro-abortion side dresses itself up as loving

00:12:52.580 and tolerant and accepting and so, and so on. So concerned for women and children. I know that is

00:12:57.800 not the case. I know it first of all, because they advocate the murder of children. So that's a pretty,

00:13:02.340 that's a, that's a giveaway right there. But second of all, I know it because of my own experience

00:13:06.380 with them. I've had a lot of experience with these people. I see the kinds of things they say when

00:13:11.800 they think no one is watching. And even sometimes when they know people are watching, I've seen it

00:13:17.380 for myself. And this is not just my experience. Like I said, talk to any pro-lifer in the movement,

00:13:23.620 talk to women, especially think about what, think about what some of the, some of these, some scumbag 1.00

00:13:27.780 men might've said to me if I was a woman. I mean, think about the things they're saying to me as a man, 0.98

00:13:33.160 but imagine if I was a woman and they were directing this kind of scorn at me.

00:13:40.300 That's the dirty little secret that it's only, and it's only a secret because the media keeps it a

00:13:44.860 secret, but the pro-abortion side will not respect any boundary. It will not adhere to any ethical

00:13:52.500 code at all. If you attack their cherished institution of baby murder, if you desecrate the

00:13:58.320 altar upon which they worship, the altar that happens to be soaked in the blood of 60 million

00:14:04.460 dead children, this is what they do. And I wanted you to see that, which is why I share this with you

00:14:08.840 today. By the way, I could also, if I had the time and energy, compile a separate list of the tweets

00:14:18.420 from, from other leftists essentially agreeing with the threats and telling me that I deserve them

00:14:23.980 because of my pro-life position. There are many, many, many in that vein. And if you go, you can

00:14:28.740 read them for yourself to go on Twitter. I just, I'm not going to put them all together. I don't have

00:14:31.340 time for that. Uh, but there are people saying literally you deserve this. You deserve for people

00:14:37.700 to wish rape on your children because you disagree with abortion. It's, um, 1.00

00:14:45.380 you know, one other thing about this, some people have said, Hey, it's just the internet. You know,

00:14:55.000 don't make a big deal about it. This is just how people act on the internet happens to me all the

00:14:59.160 time. First of all, unless you have a large platform and you engage on controversial issues

00:15:06.000 like abortion. Now, if you do, and you say this happens to you sometimes or frequently, I believe

00:15:11.100 you, but if you don't, I don't believe you. It definitely does not happen to you all the time.

00:15:17.020 I mean, I had some people with 14 followers. That's happens to me all the time. No, it doesn't.

00:15:21.740 It is probably never happened to you. Um, I use the internet for a long time before I had a platform

00:15:26.920 and the worst I ever got were some salty Facebook comments, usually from people I knew,

00:15:30.680 uh, you know, just, just telling me they disagree in vulgar ways or whatever, but strangers across the 0.94

00:15:37.220 country wishing death and rape on me and my family. Uh, no, I never experienced that. I, I, you know,

00:15:41.820 I, I, I don't think that some of the people saying they've experienced it really have and the, and the

00:15:48.360 people say, Oh, it happens to me all the time. Yeah. No, it probably doesn't. Unless again, you have a

00:15:53.480 large platform and you regularly engage on these kinds of issues. Um, but secondly, if this is

00:16:00.480 normal, it shouldn't be. And the fact that it's the internet is irrelevant. Since when did it become

00:16:08.980 acceptable and not a big deal to wish rape on children just because you disagree with someone's

00:16:15.060 opinion? Yeah, it's on, it's on the internet. Oh, it's just on the internet. Well, it's not,

00:16:22.260 the internet isn't saying this. Okay. This is not some kind of algorithmic code that's coming up with

00:16:28.860 this. These are people. These are actual living people. Now they may be people who act more like

00:16:34.360 lizards or snakes, but they are people, actual live human beings. So no, it's not the internet. It's

00:16:43.240 people. Uh, these are people using the internet. The internet is just a communication tool. So there

00:16:49.640 is no moral difference between saying something through the internet and saying it to someone's

00:16:55.560 face. In fact, saying it to someone's face is, is, um, you may say arguably is, is, is not as bad

00:17:02.900 as saying it on the internet. I would argue that whatever horrible thing you have said on the

00:17:08.800 internet. Um, and we've all said things on the internet we regret, although hopefully not anything

00:17:12.980 quite as bad as what I just read to you, but we've all lost our temper and, and, and said things that

00:17:18.540 we regret type things. I mean, the, the internet does, uh, tend to, uh, encourage that kind of

00:17:26.300 communication, but, uh, whatever horrible thing you have said on the internet is worse on the internet

00:17:36.440 than it would have been had you said it in person, not better worse because, because when,

00:17:43.240 when you say it on the internet, it has this extra, um, element of cowardice to it.

00:17:48.540 Because at least if you say it to someone's face, you're not as much of a coward.

00:17:54.160 If you only say horrible things on the internet, that means that you're, you're not only a horrible 1.00

00:17:58.060 person, but you're also a weak, pathetic coward. If you say horrible things to people's face, 1.00

00:18:05.480 well, then you're a horrible person. Yes, but at least you're less of a wimp about it. 0.99

00:18:11.340 I mean, if you're gonna walk up to someone's face and say something like that to them

00:18:14.300 and give them the chance to, uh, respond in whatever manner they deem appropriate,

00:18:20.860 well then at least you're not hiding behind a keyboard.

00:18:27.500 I think people make these excuses about, uh, it's just the internet. I think the people that say that

00:18:31.940 it's because they know that they themselves, when protected by the cloak of anonymity that the

00:18:36.200 internet provides them, will often spew the most vile and vicious and disgusting rhetoric imaginable.

00:18:42.240 And they know that about themselves. They know the kinds of comments they leave under YouTube videos

00:18:48.080 and that sort of thing. And the sort of stuff they say on their anonymous Twitter accounts,

00:18:53.440 where they don't even have a picture of themselves or their real name,

00:18:56.500 but they're tough guys with their opinions on their anonymous Twitter accounts.

00:19:01.400 They know the kind of stuff they say, and, uh, they don't want to think that their behavior online

00:19:05.900 is a reflection of their character. Well, it is.

00:19:08.540 Whatever you say with your anonymous Twitter account, that's you.

00:19:13.140 That's you being a bad person. That is you being a sick, disgusting, bad, cowardly, uh, scumbag. 1.00

00:19:20.140 That's what that is. That's who you are. If you're a bad person all the time online, 1.00

00:19:25.780 you're just a bad, you're a bad person. That's who you are. That's your character.

00:19:28.200 And on top of it, as I said, you're a coward as well. 0.98

00:19:35.140 If you can, if you, if you're comfortable with that, if you could say, yes, I'm a bad person 0.98

00:19:38.620 and a coward, I mean, if you can embrace that about yourself, well then, uh, go ahead.

00:19:44.560 But I don't think most people can. I mean, it's just, it's hard to go through your life

00:19:48.420 on a day-to-day basis, look in the mirror, get up and, you know, move about your day,

00:19:53.020 knowing that about yourself. So you want to pretend that you're not, but you are.

00:19:57.080 All right. Speaking of, um, stooping to the lowest lows and having no ethical constraints at all,

00:20:07.080 Tucker Carlson has been accused of, has been accused of saying that it's honorable and necessary

00:20:12.780 to force rape victims to have babies. That's what he's accused of saying. It's honorable and 1.00

00:20:18.160 necessary to force rape victims to have babies. Um, here's a tweet from a media matters goon.

00:20:22.760 Um, and, uh, as you can see the, the, the caption says, Tucker Carlson says it's honorable and

00:20:27.420 necessary to force women to give birth after being impregnated by their rapists. Um, and because of

00:20:33.920 this tweet and others like it, people making this accusation, Carlson is beginning a lot of backlash

00:20:38.040 for this, but let's click the video provided in that tweet and see what it actually says. So look at

00:20:45.080 this. So this is the modern democratic orthodoxy. If you love women, you'll encourage them to kill 1.00

00:20:50.300 their own offspring. If you acknowledge that children are sacred, that being a parent is 1.00

00:20:54.160 honorable and necessary, and maybe even more meaningful than a trip to Ibiza this summer

00:20:58.980 than you, sir, are an oppressor. Oh, okay. So he says that parenthood is honorable and necessary. 0.96

00:21:06.740 He doesn't say that forcing rape victims to have babies is honorable and necessary. He's speaking

00:21:10.900 generally and saying parenthood is honorable and necessary. Is anyone going to disagree with 0.95

00:21:15.640 that? Well, no. See, the thing is they know they can't disagree with that. So instead they make up

00:21:20.960 something else that he said that he didn't really say. They, they, they, they just, they make up another

00:21:25.040 comment for him to have made so that they can disagree with that because they know what he actually

00:21:30.300 said is totally true. Parenthood is an honorable and necessary thing. Um, it's just, again, how do you,

00:21:44.640 how do you get up and look in the mirror, uh, knowing that you're such a dishonest person? I just,

00:21:57.900 I don't get how people can blatantly lie and then still live with themselves.

00:22:02.160 And that's what you find on the pro-abortion side, unfortunately, is this just blatant dishonesty.

00:22:07.900 And it comes from an ends justify the means, uh, mentality. It's when you're a moral relativist

00:22:14.420 and you believe that there is no objective right, objective wrong, objective good or evil, then you

00:22:20.000 say, well, whatever, whatever a result I want to bring about, I can do anything to bring about that

00:22:25.220 result. And, and if my strategy is successful in bringing about the result that I want, then it was

00:22:30.840 a good strategy. And that's why it's so important for us as conservatives to repudiate the ends justify

00:22:36.960 the means mentality. It's one of the reasons why I am always so disturbed when I see that kind of

00:22:43.380 philosophy cropping up on the right as it does sometimes. Um, because that is exactly the way of

00:22:50.880 thinking the worldview, the philosophy that we are rejecting and fighting against and defending

00:22:56.740 against. Um, okay, let's do something a little bit more, uh, a little bit more lighthearted,

00:23:03.040 a little bit more encouraging, I guess, but a lot of dark, we have a dark time on, uh, on the show,

00:23:08.280 uh, as it so often is, unfortunately, well, this is, uh, it's going to the daily wire now,

00:23:14.440 you know, one of the, if you could even call it an argument, but one of the things that you hear

00:23:19.780 from pro abortion people all the time, uh, is, and I've addressed it, uh, on plenty of occasions in

00:23:25.660 the past is this whole thing about, well, you're only pro birth. You don't care about, you don't

00:23:30.620 care about women. You don't care about babies after they're born. All you care about is babies in the 1.00

00:23:34.920 womb, which obviously is such an unbelievably ludicrous thing to say. Uh, I mean, the only, why do you 0.58

00:23:43.500 think we care about babies in the womb? We care about babies in the womb because we care about

00:23:48.760 people. We think that they are people, which they are. And because they are people, we care about

00:23:54.240 them. So what should that tell you? It tells you we care about people. Our whole argument is that

00:23:59.700 this is a person, therefore we should care for them. What does that mean? It means we care for people.

00:24:06.060 So to say that, yes, now as pro-lifers, we are especially focused on the unborn, not exclusively

00:24:11.400 focused on them, but especially focused on them. Uh, but that's because the unborn happened to be

00:24:15.700 especially, um, victimized and especially vulnerable. And I would even say from a legal

00:24:22.920 standpoint, exclusively victimized. They are the only group of people left in America who are not 0.85

00:24:27.380 treated as people who are not given personhood rights. So that's why we focus on them. There are 0.55

00:24:33.520 people out there who take a special interest in caring for the elderly, which is great. There are

00:24:37.800 people who take a special interest in caring for the sick and the infirm, for the disabled.

00:24:42.860 Would you ever say to someone working at a nursing home that, oh, you only care about old people.

00:24:46.940 Yeah. You don't care about young people at all. You only care about them once they reach 75. You

00:24:50.720 don't care about them after that. It would be such a, such a stupid thing to say. Just because I am 1.00

00:24:56.540 focused on loving this group of people who I think are vulnerable and in need of this kind of

00:25:00.680 attention doesn't mean I don't care about other people. Someone who cares, especially about the

00:25:06.460 elderly. What does that tell you about that person? It tells you that is someone who cares about

00:25:10.060 people. It just, it wouldn't make any sense for, I don't even know how a person could develop that

00:25:17.860 in their mind to develop an exclusive concern only for this one group of people at a certain age of

00:25:27.380 development and not for anyone else. It's just how you couldn't even do that. Except maybe for

00:25:33.980 pro-aborts who only care about born people and, and, and have ruled out unborn people altogether.

00:25:39.360 So I guess they've pulled it out off. Um, although for many of them, I don't know how much they really

00:25:44.280 care about born people either now. Uh, okay. So this is the point, if you could say that was made by

00:25:51.820 someone on Twitter, Sarah Tuttle singer. She's a Israel times blogger. She said a couple of days ago,

00:25:57.740 dear pro-life friends, what have you personally done to support lower, uh, lower income,

00:26:03.280 single mothers? I'll wait. And she obviously, now this is supposed to be flippant and sarcastic. 0.96

00:26:08.100 She expected that nobody would give any examples. You see, when this comes up and, uh, and a pro-abortion

00:26:15.700 person says, Oh, you don't do anything for born people. Well, pro-lifers do things for people.

00:26:21.060 Pro-lifers are very charitable. They're always helping women and children and they're very

00:26:27.320 charitable, generous people, but they also don't feel comfortable bragging about their charitable

00:26:32.600 endeavors. We also know that we're told not to do that in the gospel. Um, and many of us are

00:26:37.600 Christians, so we don't want to do it for that reason. And I think that's one of the reasons why 1.00

00:26:40.960 pro-abortions people get to get away with this claim is that they say, Oh, you don't do anything.

00:26:45.840 And then, and then pro-lifers are not going to line up and say, Oh yeah, this is what I do.

00:26:49.300 But I think sometimes we do need to step up and say, look, that's not true. Here's what I do for other

00:26:54.720 people. And it's because we're not bragging about ourselves. We're not trying to put ourselves on a

00:26:59.140 pedestal. What we're doing is we're trying to defend this movement. That's very important

00:27:02.280 movement. And so it might be in that context, important to talk about the charitable things

00:27:07.560 that we do. And so a lot of people stepped up and they answered this person's question.

00:27:11.720 Um, and so just some examples that daily wire compiles here of, uh, people talking about the

00:27:16.360 things they do for, for, for the born. Um, so some examples, I I've spent the last 15 years serving

00:27:23.100 breakfast once a month at a homeless shelter and making lunches for the same shelter once a month

00:27:26.680 on a separate weekend. Someone else says, I'm the president of the board of directors for our

00:27:31.080 local domestic violence shelter. Someone else says donated to crisis pregnancy centers, volunteer

00:27:35.480 for the sisters of life, offered to meet with anyone in a crisis pregnancy to talk about arranging

00:27:39.760 to adopt their baby. Um, applying for an open adoption, take care of a child whose mother doesn't 1.00

00:27:44.900 think she can raise the baby and to keep mother and child in each other's lives. Someone else says we 0.98

00:27:50.320 adopted our two boys after we already had two girls. Someone else says they're foster parents.

00:27:54.560 Someone else says adopted one and took in three fosters who are now staying permanently.

00:27:59.240 And in addition to my six natural children, there's a lot of that. I mean, pro-life people

00:28:02.780 adopt all the time. So that's the other stupid thing. Well, I don't see you out adopting kids. 1.00

00:28:07.100 What are you talking about? Pro-lifers at this go to a pro-life event and you're going to find

00:28:11.360 so many adoptive families, so many adopted children. I adopt kids all the time. Of course they do.

00:28:17.420 They love children. That's the point that we're making. Um, I remember one of the most

00:28:26.080 inspiring though, ultimately, uh, sad

00:28:30.640 things that from my experience doing, doing all this, remember a few years ago, there was a woman 0.54

00:28:38.960 who wrote an article, maybe it was a Reddit post or something. I don't remember, but talking about

00:28:44.080 how she was going to get an abortion. And she was, she wrote this sort of goodbye letter to her

00:28:48.700 unborn child who she was about to kill. And, um, so I wrote something responding to that woman and

00:28:55.320 just pleading with her not to kill her child and doing my best to convince her not to. Uh, I,

00:29:04.880 I, I, I don't, we never, I never heard from her. I don't know what ended up happening with that.

00:29:09.200 Um, I don't know if she got the abortion or not. It seems like it's a good chance she did, 0.99

00:29:13.740 but the inspiring thing was that I remember when I posted that, uh, my, my response,

00:29:19.120 there were so many on Facebook. There are all of these people, my readers, uh, I mean,

00:29:26.100 hundreds of them who, who were, uh, coming out of the woodwork to say, I will adopt this woman's

00:29:32.580 child, volunteering to adopt the child and being completely serious about it. A lot of them had

00:29:38.380 said, you know, I've already been through the process to get it qualified for adoption.

00:29:42.100 You know, these are people that sounded knowledgeable. They were people talking about

00:29:45.340 the way that they're already prepared, you know, how they already have their house set up and they've

00:29:49.200 got a room ready. And, um, so these were, these were not just people saying it to make themselves

00:29:56.420 look good. No, there were all of these people saying, I will adopt this woman's child. I'll adopt 1.00

00:30:00.600 him right now, this moment. I'm ready. Again, I don't, I don't, I don't know if that woman took 0.93

00:30:07.240 anyone up on that. I don't think she did, but yeah, any woman who doesn't, who is in a crisis

00:30:16.460 pregnancy and doesn't feel like they can care for the child, um, there are going to be pro-lifers 0.88

00:30:23.860 lined up around the block to adopt that baby. No, there is, there is no unwanted baby in America.

00:30:32.860 It doesn't exist. There is no such thing as an unwanted baby. There are so many families

00:30:38.840 who would love to adopt that child and would adopt that child. The only thing that needs

00:30:43.280 to happen is that the child needs to not be killed first. Um, so yeah, I mean, pro-lifers

00:30:50.000 I, you know, and I, I mean, in, in our, I know for me and my family, we, we give to pregnancy

00:30:55.920 centers, we give to sidewalk advocates, we give to, um, we give to, uh, charities for

00:31:01.280 the poor. Um, we try to give as much as we can to just the homeless and the impoverished

00:31:06.760 in our own community. I remember just around Christmas, there was a woman who, uh, was about

00:31:10.920 to be kicked out of her apartment with her kids. And so we gave her money so she could 1.00

00:31:14.320 stay in the apartment. Um, and you know, this is, this is the kind of thing that pro-lifers

00:31:19.720 do all the time. Um, because it's not only because we love people, but also because we

00:31:24.920 feel a morally obligated to help the less fortunate. All right. Um, so let's go to emails,

00:31:36.360 mattwallshow at gmail.com, mattwallshow at gmail.com. This is from Paul says, I believe we already

00:31:42.080 have an issue of women falsely claiming rape. I don't think that's debatable. If we gave the 0.99

00:31:47.660 concession to rape as an exception, the concession, we gave it a concession. It was awkwardly

00:31:53.700 worded. Um, if, if, if there were rape exceptions for abortion, do you not think that would exacerbate

00:31:59.500 the problem of false rape claims? If all a woman has to do is claim rape and she can get 1.00

00:32:04.380 rid of her, her quote problem, then I believe we would certainly see that that abused. Uh, 1.00

00:32:09.860 yeah, Paul, um, that is an issue. It's by far not the main reason to be opposed to rape exceptions.

00:32:20.160 Um, it's not even the second or third or fourth or fifth reason, uh, because all of those reasons

00:32:26.340 are the same reason. And that is, as I've been talking about that an unborn child is a human

00:32:30.760 being is a person and all people have inherent human rights and it is not okay to kill an innocent

00:32:38.120 and defenseless person at all ever. That's our reason. That's why we're except, uh, against

00:32:43.060 exceptions because an unborn child who is conceived in rape, even though the conception happened through

00:32:51.840 this hideously unspeakably evil act, that child is still a person and still has rights. That's our

00:32:59.660 argument, right? Now, as a secondary issue, as a, you know, as another consideration of less

00:33:06.120 importance, yeah, there is, it's really kind of a logistical problem with these exceptions where

00:33:11.520 it's like when you hear about a, well, we'll have an exception for health of the mother. Okay. Well,

00:33:15.500 what does that mean? And what you're going to find is so often is that health of the mother,

00:33:18.420 it means mental health, physical health, psychological health, spiritual health,

00:33:23.240 financial health. I mean, anything could qualify as health. And so then anything is an exception.

00:33:27.000 And then really you haven't done anything to restrict abortion at all. Um, and so it's sort of the

00:33:33.320 issue with something like rape because then, you know, how, how do you legally speaking, how do you

00:33:39.920 with the law, how do you enforce that? How do you know? Um, and it creates all these problems,

00:33:45.080 but as I say, you can almost put that to the side because the real issue is just, it's a person.

00:33:51.600 That's all. Um, from Patrick says, I'm a big fan of yours, Shapiro's and Clavin's. I'm a 27 year

00:33:57.660 old Republican, staunchly pro-life, uh, an NRA member. With that said, I gave your question of

00:34:03.520 what is a woman? Some thought. And I think I came up with an acceptable leftist definition.

00:34:06.460 I talked about on the show yesterday, how leftists cannot define the word woman. It's a very simple

00:34:11.360 preschool level definition, but they can't provide it because their ideology won't let them. They use

00:34:17.500 the word all the time. They're all into identity politics, but they, they can't say what a woman is. 1.00

00:34:21.860 And so I, I put it out there. I challenged any leftist, give me a definition of woman.

00:34:25.960 Give me a definition. And so this is not a leftist, but he's going to give it a shot. He says,

00:34:30.960 woman, an individual who is feminine, whose feminine qualities outweigh their masculine 0.98

00:34:35.860 qualities. Although I disagree with this definition personally, I think this could fit into the leftist

00:34:40.080 ideology. Thank you for taking the time to read this message. Look forward to your future shows.

00:34:44.440 The problem there, Patrick, and I, and I, you gave it a college try. You did your best for the sake of

00:34:48.560 the leftist. And I know they probably appreciate that. But, um, the problem Patrick is that

00:34:55.940 the word feminine is inextricably attached to the word woman or dependent upon the definition of

00:35:03.860 woman. So the definition of feminine is having qualities or an appearance traditionally associated

00:35:12.380 with women, especially delicate, delicacy and prettiness. Okay. So that's what feminine is having 1.00

00:35:20.280 qualities or an appearance traditionally associated with women. Okay. Well, then you need to know what

00:35:23.760 woman is. So you can't give me a definition of woman that is, that just kind of taught, just 0.99

00:35:30.240 punts the ball back a little bit, because then you're still going to get to this issue of, well,

00:35:34.640 what is woman? Okay. Feminine is qualities, uh, associated with women. Okay. What's a woman? 0.91

00:35:42.480 Uh, and that's, that's the issue. So yeah, that doesn't really do it. Now this is from someone else who I

00:35:47.600 guess is a leftist and they really are going to take a crack at it, uh, try to define woman. It says 0.81

00:35:53.620 you seem to be having difficulty understanding the concept of womanhood. No, I don't have difficulty

00:35:57.580 with it. I'm saying that you do. That's my, see, if you're, if you're a liberal, I have no problem

00:36:02.260 defining woman. A woman is an adult human female. That's a woman. Uh, so I don't have any problem with

00:36:10.640 it. I think that you do unless I'm wrong. So let's see what you come up with. A woman is an adult female, 1.00

00:36:15.700 of course. So that, that makes the word female, the key term needing of definition. Okay. Fair 0.93

00:36:21.080 enough. In that case, a female is an individual who identifies with and likely possesses certain

00:36:26.440 qualities, which characterize female hood. These being gentleness, empathy, sensitivity, caring,

00:36:31.420 sweetness, compassion, tolerance, nurturance, deference, and succorance. Although each of these

00:36:35.820 traits individually are not requirements, it is largely a qualifier as a matter of degree and its

00:36:39.380 abundant presence as gender is a status that exists along a spectrum. Hopefully that clears things up. 0.95

00:36:43.660 No, no, it does not clear things up at all. Um, not at all. So you, you've actually, uh, you see,

00:36:51.260 I tried to be, go easy on you. I didn't, I didn't make you define female. Um, I wasn't going to make you 0.99

00:36:56.240 do that, but you're, you're going for female. Well, see, the problem is female is a biological term. 1.00

00:37:01.960 You've just tried to redefine female to be not biological. It is a biological. You may as well try to

00:37:09.140 redefine circle to be something other than a shape. Uh, it is, no, that's not it.

00:37:16.540 Female, you know how I know females are biological term and not a sociological, sociological term or 1.00

00:37:21.320 a term that's dependent on a spectrum because there are female cows. There are female turtles. 1.00

00:37:27.160 There are female fish and birds and, and, and reptiles. There are females in, in, across the animal

00:37:32.900 kingdom. They all have females too. Now you would never say, unless you're being, um, unless you're,

00:37:38.400 you know, uh, being not totally serious, you, you wouldn't talk about a woman dog. Um, we may use 0.87

00:37:46.700 that term colloquially, but no woman, again, that's a human female though, that any, the, all the animals 0.91

00:37:55.300 have females. So are you saying that a female cow is, um, gentle is, is one that is gentle, empathetic,

00:38:03.520 sensitive, caring. That's what a female dog. That's how you define female dog. No, you define a female 1.00

00:38:11.580 dog based on the reproductive capabilities, which is how you also define a female person.

00:38:17.580 Uh, so that just doesn't, that doesn't work. That's the wrong definition of female. You're just wrong, 1.00

00:38:22.700 uh, scientifically. Also, this is not even a definition. What you're doing is you're, you're,

00:38:29.520 you're describing some of the characteristics that oftentimes are associated with the thing

00:38:35.740 that needs to be defined. And I agree with you that many times women are gentle, empathetic,

00:38:39.860 and sensitive, but men can be that also. So you're telling me now that what, if a man is gentle,

00:38:44.200 empathetic, and sensitive, he's now a female, not even just a woman. You're saying he's a female 0.99

00:38:47.700 actually. So it's impossible then for there to be a gentle, empathetic, and sensitive male.

00:38:53.720 So apparently toxic masculinity is correct. I thought, I thought toxic masculinity was the whole

00:38:58.520 idea that a man can never be those things that you listed. And that's supposed to be toxic. That's

00:39:02.500 wrong. But what you're saying is that, no, that's right. Because if a guy acts that way,

00:39:06.160 then he's actually a female. And so, Hey guys, if you don't want to be a female, then you better not

00:39:10.360 be gentle, empathetic, sensitive, or caring or compassionate. Uh, it's, it's absurd. Um, 0.78

00:39:17.320 if you were, you can't, you can't define something simply by giving me a roundabout description of

00:39:25.380 some of the things associated with it. Uh, like if I were to ask you to define, uh, uh, dog,

00:39:32.540 you couldn't say, Oh, well, the definition of dog is something that drinks out of the toilet and

00:39:38.640 chews up your couch. Now it's true that a lot of dogs do that. My dog does that sadly. Uh,

00:39:47.180 but that doesn't, that's not what makes him a dog. That's not a definition of dog.

00:39:53.500 And there are other things that drink out of toilets and chew on couches. 1.00

00:39:57.560 There are other animals that would probably behave that way. If you gave them the opportunity,

00:40:00.660 there may even be people who would do that. Does that make them dogs? No, that's not a definition.

00:40:05.360 definition. So here's the problem with your definition. It's not a definition. It's

00:40:10.240 scientifically wrong. Um, and it also completely destroys all of the efforts that I assume you

00:40:19.280 align with to get rid of the traditional definitions of masculinity and femininity. See that's what I'm

00:40:26.300 saying. Masculine and feminine. Now those are words that do exist on, if you want to say somewhat of a

00:40:35.280 spectrum, uh, those are terms that, that, um, that can be sort of, that do change a little bit

00:40:42.100 with the time and with the culture. So for instance, in some cultures, it's considered masculine,

00:40:47.380 um, for a man to wear, you know, a robe or a dress, uh, or a kilt, right? It's clothing like that.

00:40:54.220 It's considered masculine in certain cultures. In our culture, it's not. So that is culturally based,

00:41:00.300 masculine, feminine, masculine, feminine. And, and every person has some masculine traits and some

00:41:07.080 feminine traits. Some people have more feminine than masculine, more masculine than feminine. So 0.96

00:41:10.560 that's true. But that's, that's, that is not, uh, the same as a word like woman or a word like female,

00:41:19.260 um, which are not culturally based, which are scientifically based, um, and which are not

00:41:28.020 dependent on our perceptions or our impressions or our value systems. It just is what it is.

00:41:37.520 And those are also words, male, female, woman, man, that do not exist on a spectrum. There is no

00:41:43.560 spectrum. There is woman, there is man, there is nothing in between. Not doesn't exist. There are 0.97

00:41:51.880 people with deformities, mutations, sicknesses, um, that cause them to have, you know, a very small

00:41:57.620 percentage of malformed genitalia, more ambiguous genitalia, but that, that is not this, that, that

00:42:02.320 does not make a spectrum. And as I have pointed out before, um, there is not in existence and never

00:42:11.280 will be an existence and never has been in existence. Somebody who possesses the reproductive 0.98

00:42:17.000 capabilities of both genders. And it seems to me that in order to have a spectrum, you would need

00:42:22.260 that missing link. You would need that, right? You go from male, male, male, female, female, female on

00:42:28.260 the spectrum. Well then right in between there, you would need someone who's both just like on a color

00:42:33.860 spectrum. You've got, you know, your primary color, your primary color, and they blend into the

00:42:37.720 secondary color. Well then where are the secondary colored, uh, people when it comes to sex? They 0.98

00:42:43.420 don't exist. Talking about someone with ambiguous genitalia or malformed genitalia, that is not, um, uh,

00:42:50.840 that is not both. Both would be someone who has, who has the, the functioning reproductive systems of 1.00

00:42:58.040 both genders that doesn't exist because it's, it is, it is a, a, a, uh, it is not a spectrum. Um, it is a 1.00

00:43:04.700 binary system. So, but thank you for the attempt, uh, although you fail. All right, we'll leave it

00:43:09.000 there, everybody. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Godspeed.

00:43:11.400 Hey everyone, I'm Elisha Krause and we just wrapped a really great episode of this month's

00:43:28.640 conversation with our very own Michael Knowles. You want to tell everybody some of the things that

00:43:32.460 we talked about? I think we might have had one or two questions about abortion. I think maybe that

00:43:36.900 because it's the biggest news story in the whole country. Came up. That came up. We talked about

00:43:40.600 what it means for the Supreme Court. We talked about 2020 Democrats. We talked about faith and

00:43:44.840 Christianity. And most importantly of all, we talked about cigars and whiskey. Important topics. Much

00:43:50.520 more important than anything else. So head on over to dailywire.com. Also available on all of our social

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The Matt Walsh Show - May 17, 2019

Ep. 262 - A Satanic Backlash From Death Worshipers

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