The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 272 - How The Left Normalizes Abuse

00:00:00.000 Today on the Matt Walsh Show, we're going to talk about the left's increasingly disturbing

00:00:03.900 and grotesque efforts to normalize pedophilia. We are headed to a very dark place in this culture,

00:00:11.320 and I think we need to discuss it. Also, a Democratic presidential candidate reaches

00:00:15.000 the most extreme levels of pandering imaginable, and a feminist presents what I think is the only 1.00

00:00:22.960 honest argument for abortion that you will ever hear. So we'll talk about that today as well on

00:00:27.620 Matt Walsh Show. All right, I'm back. Back with a surgically repaired Achilles, so I'm good as

00:00:36.840 new. Well, not really good as new. I've got a six to eight-month recovery process, which is kind of

00:00:41.640 depressing because that's a long time, but I'm on the road to recovery, which is nice. One note about

00:00:47.160 the surgery, though, because the great thing, maybe the number one benefit of having kids

00:00:53.300 is that they keep you humble. I think that's, and here's a wonderful example of that from after I

00:00:59.520 got back from the surgery. So I got home on Wednesday. It was an outpatient thing. So I got

00:01:04.780 home from the operation. I'm hobbling inside, feeling not very good, you know, because I still

00:01:11.800 have the effects of the anesthesia, and I'm feeling nauseous from that, and it hurts, you know, because I

00:01:18.940 just got surgery. And so I got to get upstairs to my bed, which is where I'm going to end up spending

00:01:23.800 the next like 48 hours. And the only way that I can get up to the bed in that condition is to crawl.

00:01:29.860 So I'm crawling up the steps to get to my room, and my six-year-old daughter comes in,

00:01:37.520 and she sees me crawling up the steps, and she starts laughing hysterically at this sight of her 0.91

00:01:43.400 dad crawling up the steps. And she's going, oh my gosh, look at daddy, he's crawling. And then

00:01:47.960 she calls to her brothers in the next room, say, hey, come here, look at this, daddy, he's crawling.

00:01:52.680 He's like a dog. Yeah, like a dog. Come look, look, look at this. And then they're both just standing

00:01:57.380 there as I'm crawling up the steps, you know, in pain, grimacing, and they're just laughing.

00:02:05.860 This is the funniest thing they'd ever seen in their life. And so anyway, I'm going to put them in

00:02:10.400 sensitivity training for that because you just, it is not PC to laugh at a cripple as he crawls up the 1.00

00:02:16.200 steps. I mean, I get it, but still, actually, what I, actually, I explained to them that

00:02:20.960 if you want to laugh at the misfortunes of others, you need to do it like an adult. And that means

00:02:25.760 waiting until they leave the room, and then you laugh at them. So that's just, it's an important

00:02:29.360 life lesson. All right. A lot to cover as I play catch up here. But first, before we get to all that,

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00:04:29.280 Okay. Well, let's, let's start with this. You know, Twitter announced last week that they're

00:04:37.440 going to have a, a zero tolerance policy for child sexual exploitation, which, which is,

00:04:44.520 which is, which is good, uh, if they actually followed that, um, their own, their own policy,

00:04:50.900 which they don't because on, on almost the exact same day that they announced this, or they,

00:04:58.380 they reasserted this policy of vice posted a video, which I'll play for in a minute,

00:05:04.320 play for you in a minute. But this video both portrays and glorifies child sexual, sexual

00:05:10.280 exploitation. And yet it has been allowed to remain on Twitter's platform. Even though I know a bunch

00:05:16.120 of people reported it, I reported it, uh, but no response from, from, uh, from Twitter and it still

00:05:21.920 remains. The vice video, as you'll see in a second here is a kind of fun and whimsical look

00:05:27.900 at the quote community of young boys who dress in women's clothing and dance for the perverted

00:05:34.900 entertainment of adults. Um, it is disturbing. I'll warn you, but I think it's important that

00:05:40.980 you see what we're talking about. So here's, here's some of that video.

00:05:43.840 Be fierce. Be yourself. And if anybody bullies you, stand up for yourself. Fight back. Make

00:05:53.840 a resident.

00:06:02.840 What's happening? Guess who's way taller than you again? Well, guess who's way taller than

00:06:07.840 you. Drag Kids is a new documentary directed by Megan Wenberg that follows four drag obsessed 0.98

00:06:13.840 kids from different cities.

00:06:14.840 Oh, I want to show you this, uh, the transparent dress. Cause it's so cute. It may or may not fit

00:06:21.840 you. I'm not quite sure.

00:06:22.840 I'm going to a drag brunch to meet with the young performers and ask them about the community

00:06:26.840 that they've found with their fellow drag kids.

00:06:28.840 You just fall in love with each of them for so many different reasons. Cause they're all

00:06:31.840 incredible. The fact that these kids are brave enough to do something that is so different,

00:06:35.840 hopefully will give other people courage to try.

00:06:38.840 So vice proudly announces that these children are the next generation of drag Queens, but 1.00

00:06:46.840 they're not really a part of the next generation there. They are the current generation. They're

00:06:50.840 the current crop. I guess you might say of a new type of quote drag performer. Um, I should

00:06:58.840 say, well, I say new, but really just new in the West in Western civilization. This is new.

00:07:04.840 This is new, but if you go over in places like Afghanistan, it's, this is, this has been customary

00:07:09.840 for a long time, very customary to have, to have young boys and female attire dance for the pleasure

00:07:15.840 of grown men. Um, and in Afghanistan, you know, the, the boys will be brought out. They'll dance for

00:07:21.840 the, uh, for the, for the grown men. And then the boys oftentimes will be brought somewhere and, uh,

00:07:26.840 sexually abused. So it's a very similar sort of thing. We have adopted a similar custom, but we

00:07:32.840 have done it under the guise of progressivism, uh, in Afghanistan. It's, you know, it's, it's, it's,

00:07:39.840 it's always very interesting to see how you've got these fundamentalist Muslims and this is what they're 0.94

00:07:45.840 doing. And then you've got progressives in our country. It's interesting to see how often these

00:07:50.840 these two ideologies mirror each other. And, uh, this is just one area where they do the left.

00:07:58.720 If you haven't noticed has become increasingly obsessed with dressing boys up like girls and

00:08:04.600 parading them around, um, literally parading them around in some cases, like when the LA pride parade

00:08:10.900 last week, um, they had a seven year old boy strutting in high heels. Strutting is the word that the

00:08:18.420 media used when describing, uh, in a celebratory fashion, describing this boy, seven year old boy

00:08:23.980 in high heels and a skirt at the front of the LA pride parade. Um, and you know, if you think I'm

00:08:31.660 joking about the left's obsession with this, well, here is another video. This one's from Huffington

00:08:38.600 post. This one was also posted in the last couple of days, also ended up on Twitter and has remained

00:08:45.020 there. Uh, so these are two videos, one from vice and one from Huffington post about, about drag

00:08:50.400 kids. Here's the Huffington post one. I was born in pride month in the year 2007. Gay pride means

00:08:56.920 self-expression to me. Hi, I'm Desmond is amazing. I'm 10 years old and I'm a drag kid and I live in

00:09:04.060 New York City and I'm an LGBTQ activist and advocate.

00:09:15.060 I discovered that I wanted to drag when I watched the first episode of RuPaul's Drag Race, um, when I was two. Then I moved on to, like, little dresses. Then I moved on to making outfits.

00:09:27.060 I've got my inspirations from designers like Alexander McQueen, Betsy Johnson, Clums de Garçon, Jean-Paul Gaultier, the club kids, their fashion and the makeup, not the bad things, the blitz kids of London. 1.00

00:09:41.700 And if you wanted to drag, just start off with a little wig and some lip gloss and a little, like, t-shirt and a little skirt and some heels or sneakers, whatever. You can be a drag no matter what. 0.96

00:09:53.240 So you see that the left really, really, really wants to push this stuff.

00:09:58.440 Uh, it's, it's become like a white weekly occurrence or more than that. 0.77

00:10:04.340 They want little boys to dress like girls. They really want it. 0.99

00:10:08.060 And, and what you find is that little attempt is made anymore to hide the sexual nature of the drag kid phenomenon. 0.99

00:10:18.140 Now, if you confront the leftist about this directly, of course, they're going to say, oh, what are you talking about?

00:10:22.380 There's nothing sexual about this. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you've got little boys in, in, in dresses dancing for grown men, but that's a, there's nothing.

00:10:29.020 You're the one, something wrong with you that you would think of as, as, as sexual.

00:10:32.160 So that's how they'll respond if you confront them about it directly.

00:10:36.560 But then when you look at what they're actually doing, it has become more and more sexual.

00:10:40.860 Uh, you may remember, for instance, the quote, drag kid who posed with a naked man. 0.83

00:10:47.400 And that picture was posted on Instagram a couple of months ago.

00:10:50.300 Now I'm not going to put that picture up for you.

00:10:52.080 Uh, it's out there.

00:10:53.280 If you feel like confirming what I'm talking about here, um, I would recommend that you don't just so you don't subject yourself to that.

00:11:00.740 But an adult drag queen posed naked with a nine or 10 year old boy who was dressed in, in a women's clothing. 1.00

00:11:10.500 And that was put on Instagram.

00:11:12.440 And as far as I know, allowed to stay there.

00:11:14.520 And then there was the drag kid who danced at a gay bar recently while men tossed money at him.

00:11:21.160 Um, this should really put into perspective for those still oblivious enough to think that things like the drag queen story hours popping up at libraries across the country are just a bit of harmless fun.

00:11:35.040 You know, occasionally I'll even talk to us.

00:11:36.680 I'll come across a conservative who, uh, will say, oh, you know, it's, it's not a big deal.

00:11:41.340 I mean, if this is how people want to dress, what's the big deal.

00:11:44.520 Um, well, this is why it's a big deal because it's part of a, of an agenda.

00:11:49.860 These are not isolated instance, incidents.

00:11:52.720 I mean, hundreds of libraries have hosted these events where they bring children and cross-dressing men together. 0.54

00:11:58.800 Um, and there is of course, no practical reason why, if you want to read a book to children, why you would need to dress in women's clothing first, if you're a man.

00:12:09.080 Um, and there's no practical reason or coherent reason why a library, if they want to have a story time, which is great for libraries to have story times.

00:12:18.140 Um, my, my wife brings our kids to library story times all the time, but they're just story times.

00:12:25.060 Okay. It's not drag queens. 1.00

00:12:26.180 It's just the librarian is sitting there reading a book to the kids.

00:12:30.240 Great.

00:12:30.560 Uh, there's no reason why you need a man dressed up like a woman from a Tim Burton movie, which is how all drag queens dress for some reason. 1.00

00:12:38.240 There's no reason why you need someone like that reading the story.

00:12:42.140 The decision to add that rather grotesque element into the equation is purposeful.

00:12:48.440 And the purpose is to get children, boys, especially accustomed to the idea of cross-dressing.

00:12:56.500 So the, the sexual exploiters of children want to ensure that there's going to be a constantly refreshed supply of, um, well, they call them Baka boys in Afghanistan, but we call them drag queens. 0.99

00:13:08.240 Or drag, drag quick kids. 1.00

00:13:10.380 Uh, the left wants to make sure that there's a constantly refreshed supply of drag quids, kids.

00:13:19.440 So follow the trajectory and it's not hard to see where we go next, right?

00:13:24.620 10 years ago, there was no such thing as drag kids or drag queens.

00:13:29.880 Um, or there was, or drag queen story hours, at least you had, you had drag shows, you had drag queens, but, uh, the idea of bringing them into a library.

00:13:38.240 That didn't exist 10 years ago.

00:13:40.520 Drag kids, that didn't exist. 1.00

00:13:43.200 Uh, and in fact, 10 years ago, if you had looked into your crystal ball and predicted that we would end up in this spot, leftists would have laughed at you and called you a paranoid lunatic.

00:13:53.320 They would have said, what are you talking about?

00:13:55.320 Yeah, we're going to have drag queens coming to libraries to read stories to kids. 1.00

00:13:58.540 What are you, you're insane. 1.00

00:13:59.760 We're not going to, come on, you're, you're being ridiculous. 1.00

00:14:02.760 Um, but now that's utterly commonplace. 0.98

00:14:06.380 Yet leftists will still insist that even though grown men in dresses like to hang out with little children at libraries and adults like to go to gay bars to watch boys dance around in skirts and high heels, they'll still say that there's nothing sexual about it.

00:14:23.760 If you ask them directly, but 10 years from now, if you follow the trajectory, 10 years from now, or maybe sooner, um, I think what's going to happen is they're going to admit that it is sexual.

00:14:37.360 But they'll insist that there's nothing wrong with a young boy and a grown man getting together so long as it's consensual.

00:14:43.820 You don't need to be Nostradamus to, to see the next step.

00:14:48.580 Okay.

00:14:49.060 This is not some sort of prophecy that I'm offering here.

00:14:52.240 This is just observing where we are, where we were 10 years ago.

00:14:58.280 And you just follow the line.

00:15:00.220 I mean, we're, we're on a train, look at the track and you can see where it's going.

00:15:04.600 It's there's no, there's no mystery.

00:15:07.360 Okay.

00:15:07.480 There's no mystery about where a train is headed because it's on a track and it's the same for our culture right now.

00:15:13.820 That is why leftism is an active threat to our children.

00:15:19.160 And this is why we cannot compromise with it or seek common ground, you know, or try to understand where it's coming from.

00:15:29.220 What kind of common ground can a sane and moral person find with the sorts of people who think it's acceptable to have a 10-year-old boy perform at a gay bar? 0.98

00:15:41.500 I mean, me as a normal person, I just, I cannot fathom what area of agreement I could possibly find with a person like that.

00:15:53.380 We could not be further apart in, in, in, in every conceivable way.

00:16:00.700 And what's more is I don't want to find common ground with them.

00:16:04.640 I don't want to compromise.

00:16:06.820 I don't want to get along with them, with these people who are doing this to kids.

00:16:13.500 I don't want to hold hands with them and, you know, skip merrily into a better tomorrow.

00:16:20.440 I don't want to do that.

00:16:21.440 Because this is an evil ideology through and through, and it has to be destroyed, defeated.

00:16:30.520 That has to be our, our objective.

00:16:34.840 Okay.

00:16:35.360 We defeat it or else we just sit back and watch as our children are destroyed by it.

00:16:41.480 Those are our choices.

00:16:44.280 And it really is as simple as that.

00:16:46.020 I think it's a choice now between, uh, leftism and our children.

00:16:53.440 You can't really have both.

00:16:58.400 All right.

00:16:59.120 Um, let's, uh, live in the mood a little bit and talk about Democrats humiliating themselves.

00:17:05.400 That's kind of a, it's always a fun, you know, it's a fun way to, to pass the time.

00:17:10.780 So, uh, first there's this alleged presidential candidate, Eric Swalwell, who is, uh, polling

00:17:17.180 at 0% last I checked.

00:17:19.260 He gave a speech over the weekend and, um, and I almost feel bad for him for laughing

00:17:24.600 at him for this, but it's, uh, especially as someone who does public speaking myself,

00:17:29.000 I feel like there's some bad karma laughing at someone in a situation like this, but I

00:17:32.560 can't help myself.

00:17:33.540 So, um, Eric Swalwell, he went hard for the applause line and he didn't land it.

00:17:38.640 Watch this.

00:17:39.080 But I will always be real with you.

00:17:42.500 I will be bold without the bowl.

00:17:49.100 My wife and I, we fight insurance companies. 0.86

00:17:56.100 I'll be bold without the bowl.

00:18:01.640 So the problem is that he, first of all, it was a bad line.

00:18:04.480 I mean, what do you, how are, I don't even know what that line means.

00:18:07.120 Bold without the bowl.

00:18:09.080 Uh, and, and, and especially at a, if you're a politician and you're, you're talking to

00:18:15.340 the kind of audience that would show up to hear a politician speak, well, then it should

00:18:22.140 be really easy to land an applause line.

00:18:24.120 You know, I mean, almost anything could be an applause line.

00:18:27.020 So, so to, to, to fumble it like that is pretty impressive.

00:18:31.260 Uh, but the line made no sense.

00:18:32.780 And the problem is when you go for the applause line and it, and you don't get the applause,

00:18:36.700 you got to move on quickly.

00:18:37.900 So I think when Swalwell is a little bit more seasoned, uh, he'll know that, you know, you

00:18:42.680 go for the applause, you wait, like just half a beat, like half a second.

00:18:47.580 And if you don't hear that applause starting, you just keep going so that maybe nobody will

00:18:51.780 notice that you were expecting applause there.

00:18:53.300 So there's Eric Swalwell.

00:18:54.800 Uh, meanwhile, Kirsten Gillibrand was at, I think a, a gay bars, I think a gay bar in Iowa.

00:19:01.600 Um, because this is pride month. 1.00

00:19:04.560 Um, I'm not sure if you've heard that yet.

00:19:06.280 I'm not sure if that's been, uh, beaten into your, into your head with a hammer quite enough

00:19:10.840 yet, but it is pride month.

00:19:12.120 If you didn't know. 0.91

00:19:13.040 So Gillibrand was at a gay bar for pride month.

00:19:15.520 And, um, this happened.

00:19:22.240 Yes.

00:19:22.720 She actually shouted gay rights at the end there. 1.00

00:19:29.400 She, she, she literally at a gay, she went to a gay bar and shouted gay rights. 0.95

00:19:35.860 I mean, that's actually what happened.

00:19:37.480 This isn't even pandering.

00:19:39.000 I mean, this is beyond, this is uber pandering.

00:19:41.680 This is, this is like the, the platonic ideal of pandering.

00:19:46.920 This is someone came up with the word pandering centuries ago.

00:19:52.440 And that word has been floating around out there in the ether for waiting for its most

00:19:59.880 perfect physical manifestation.

00:20:03.860 And, and, and, and that's what this is.

00:20:06.200 Here it is.

00:20:07.520 Here it is in the form of a democratic presidential candidate wearing a rainbow love is brave t-shirt

00:20:14.180 at a gay bar during pride month, shouting gay rights.

00:20:17.760 I mean, um, the only thing more pandering than that would be, I mean, I can't even think

00:20:25.880 of anything.

00:20:26.300 I, I, I, I honestly, I can't think of anything that is, that's it.

00:20:29.400 That is, this is the ultimate.

00:20:31.460 This is a level of pandering that all other pandering has been reaching for, but could never,

00:20:38.420 uh, attain.

00:20:40.080 I mean, it's just, it's, it's, it's, it's impressive now, um, going down the list here,

00:20:46.500 Joe Biden, uh, Joe Biden also humiliated himself last week, but I think humiliated himself in

00:20:52.940 a deeper, more shameful kind of way.

00:20:57.180 Um, Biden is taking a dive in the polls after reversing his position on the Hyde amendment.

00:21:03.420 Now you probably heard about that last week, but just to recap, Biden has for decades,

00:21:09.040 supported the Hyde amendment.

00:21:11.220 And when I say for decades, I mean, Biden's been in politics for, you know, about 600

00:21:15.320 years, I think.

00:21:16.420 So that's a long time, you know, um, for pretty much his entire career, he has supported the

00:21:21.900 Hyde amendment, which bans the taxpayer funding of abortion.

00:21:26.020 But now after decades of supporting it at the age of 76, he has had an epiphany.

00:21:31.080 You know, the clouds opened up and, uh, and he realized after all this time that, oh, you

00:21:38.240 know, actually, yeah, we, we should force the taxpayers to fund abortion. 0.99

00:21:42.900 And, um, reports that I've read have indicated that Alyssa Milano is the person who helped to

00:21:50.160 convince him to change his position.

00:21:52.100 He, he was talked out of a position that he's held for like 40 years because the girl from 0.91

00:21:57.980 a show from that show, from the CW talked him out of it.

00:22:02.160 Now that's, this is evidence either that Joe Biden is losing his mind or that he is a gutless 0.99

00:22:09.440 coward. 1.00

00:22:09.940 Maybe both. 0.99

00:22:10.580 I think I'm going with both.

00:22:12.240 Um, just a couple of things though, about the, the Hyde amendment and the controversy surrounding

00:22:18.020 it, number one about the Hyde amendment itself, um, it, it bears keeping in mind that the Hyde

00:22:26.620 amendment bans the direct funding of abortion with tax money, which is good.

00:22:33.020 I mean, it's good to ban it, of course, but we should also remember that we do already

00:22:39.180 indirectly fund abortion to the tune of $500 million a year.

00:22:44.300 We give $500 million a year to Planned Parenthood, which is an organization that performs 330,000

00:22:50.300 abortions a year itself.

00:22:52.400 Um, now that money does not go directly to abortions, but money is fungible, which means

00:23:00.220 that if we give them $500 million a year to do other stuff, then they can take the money

00:23:07.420 that would have gone to that, you know, their existing money that would have gone to that

00:23:11.680 other stuff has now been freed up so that it can go to abortion.

00:23:16.940 So we have in effect funded abortions by giving, um, $500 million a year to, to, uh,

00:23:24.940 to Planned Parenthood.

00:23:26.620 It's kind of like, you know, if you know that I'm a heroin addict, um, and I ask you to borrow

00:23:32.840 20 bucks and then I take your 20 and I put it in my wallet with another 20 that I already had.

00:23:39.940 And then I use $20.

00:23:43.880 So let's say you're 20 to buy lunch.

00:23:47.680 And then I use the other 20 to buy heroin.

00:23:50.880 Well, you have in essence for all intents and purposes, you have funded the heroin purchase

00:23:56.480 by freeing up my existing money, um, you know, uh, for that purpose.

00:24:02.500 So you see, in other words, if I got 20 in the wallet and I put another 20 in there, it

00:24:08.300 doesn't really make a difference which 20 I use to do which thing.

00:24:11.780 The fact is now I've got 40 bucks, which I can split between the heroin and lunch, right?

00:24:16.600 So that's, um, that's the way that goes with, uh, with Planned Parenthood.

00:24:20.460 So we shouldn't feel, you know, this false sense of security from the Hyde Amendment where

00:24:27.420 we say, oh yeah, so we got the Hyde Amendment.

00:24:28.800 At least we're not funding abortion.

00:24:29.880 We are funding abortions in effect.

00:24:33.020 Um, number two, is it surprising that Biden caved on this issue?

00:24:38.720 Well, no, it's not at all.

00:24:40.200 Because as I've said many times, abortion is the central issue for the left.

00:24:44.840 It is the foundational issue, you know, to be pro-abortion is to say, I am God, uh, what

00:24:54.140 I want goes, what I say is right, is right.

00:24:57.080 What's good for me is good.

00:24:58.620 My truth is truth.

00:25:01.220 You know, that's, that's, it's relativism.

00:25:03.700 That's what, that's what the, um, pro-abortion movement is based on.

00:25:07.860 And that's what the left is, is based on, is founded in.

00:25:11.960 You cannot be a leftist anymore.

00:25:14.840 And you certainly cannot be a Democrat on the national stage without professing that

00:25:20.460 doctrine, that doctrine of relativism and narcissism.

00:25:25.340 Just like you can't be a Christian without professing the doctrine of Christ divinity. 0.93

00:25:30.320 And in both cases, that profession has to be absolute and, um, unquestioned and without

00:25:38.900 hesitation and without reservation or qualification.

00:25:43.100 That's the way that a doctrine works.

00:25:48.720 Now, theoretically, you can profess the pro-abortion doctrine without believing that it should be 0.60

00:25:54.100 free, without believing that the taxpayer should fund it necessarily.

00:25:57.860 But if you fail to support free abortions, um, that's going to make leftists suspicious.

00:26:02.900 They're going to say, okay, now, wait a minute.

00:26:06.380 Do you really worship at the altar of baby murder or not?

00:26:09.600 Because you say you do, yet you, you don't want to fund them and you don't want them to

00:26:13.420 be free.

00:26:14.440 Um, and then, you know, leftists are going to say, well, it's, it, it, why, why should we

00:26:21.100 go?

00:26:21.320 Why should we support you when we've got this person over here who is far more invested

00:26:27.420 in, um, in this sacrament?

00:26:31.620 So this is quite literally the deal with the devil that any modern Democrat must be prepared

00:26:37.700 to make.

00:26:38.220 Um, and if there is a Democrat right now, who's running for president, who's on the national

00:26:44.060 stage, um, that means that they have made that deal or they are prepared to make it.

00:26:52.480 Uh, now this, I think will clarify things a little bit to understand why the left supports

00:27:00.100 abortion.

00:27:01.240 Um, it's helpful to know what their arguments are.

00:27:04.040 And we've talked a lot about what the, what the pro-abortion arguments are.

00:27:06.860 So such as they are, or what the argument, uh, I guess I should say what the argument

00:27:12.100 singular is, because you know, the arguments, the arguments they present, the things they

00:27:19.940 say, the talking points that they put out there to justify abortion.

00:27:23.880 But most of those are not real arguments.

00:27:27.280 Um, they're just smoke screens to cover the real motivation, the real argument.

00:27:32.720 And that's, you know, the real motivation, the real argument.

00:27:36.940 Was just helpfully expressed recently by a feminist by the name of Sophie Lewis, who

00:27:42.060 is the author of a book called Full Surrogacy Now, Feminism Against Family. 0.93

00:27:48.180 Feminism Against Family. 1.00

00:27:49.280 It's a very revealing, um, but kind of redundant title.

00:27:53.780 And, uh, she had, uh, she also had some revealing things to say about abortion in an interview.

00:27:59.620 Uh, I guess she was talking about the book and this is what she had to say.

00:28:02.860 Watch this.

00:28:03.960 We're facing a really terrifying attack on abortion in the U S where I live in Northern

00:28:09.940 Ireland and elsewhere.

00:28:10.880 In the past, the strategies that, um, our side has tended to use have included a kind

00:28:18.540 of, uh, seeding of ground to our enemies.

00:28:22.080 We tend to say, um, that abortion is indeed very bad, but, or we say, um, luckily it's not 1.00

00:28:32.580 killing.

00:28:33.460 Luckily it's just a healthcare right.

00:28:35.580 We have very little to lose at the moment when it comes to abortion, and I'm interested

00:28:40.400 in winning radically.

00:28:43.000 And I wonder if we could think about defending abortion as a right to stop doing gestational 0.61

00:28:48.720 work.

00:28:50.280 Abortion is, in my opinion, um, and I recognize how controversial this is, um, a form of killing.

00:28:58.660 It is, uh, a form of, um, killing that, uh, we need to be able to defend.

00:29:06.220 Um, I am not interested in where a human life starts to, um, exist.

00:29:14.820 Um, I see the forms of making and unmaking each other as sort of continuous processes.

00:29:23.200 Um, the other end of the spectrum is the process of learning.

00:29:28.660 Learning how to die well and hold each other and let each other go at the end of our lives

00:29:33.280 as well as at the beginning.

00:29:34.840 Um, but looking at the biology of this kind of hemichorial placentation helps me think about,

00:29:42.520 um, the violence that innocently a fetus meets out, um, vis-a-vis a gestator.

00:29:51.160 Um, and that violence is, is an unacceptable violence for someone who doesn't want to do

00:29:57.940 gestational work.

00:30:00.120 Um, the violence that that gestator meets out to essentially go on strike or exit that,

00:30:10.320 that workplace is an acceptable violence.

00:30:12.560 Okay, so there you go.

00:30:14.640 And, and that's really, that's, that's good.

00:30:16.700 Um, it's good that she says this, I mean, because it's honest.

00:30:22.140 And this is the one honest, coherent pro-abortion argument. 0.60

00:30:28.220 It, it, it's the one pro-abortion argument that makes sense. 0.86

00:30:33.180 Now, it's deranged.

00:30:36.080 It's, uh, it's morally deranged.

00:30:38.640 It's, it's horrifying.

00:30:39.660 It's ghastly.

00:30:41.060 Um, but it doesn't, it makes sense for a certain perspective.

00:30:45.760 You know, if you're coming from the, from, from a, from an entirely selfish perspective

00:30:52.440 where, you know, you, you don't care about morality, um, you don't care about other people

00:31:00.260 and you're just living for yourself from that perspective, then yeah, that makes sense.

00:31:06.780 Sure.

00:31:08.560 She says, and, and, you know, she, she admits, she, she says abortion is killing.

00:31:13.700 She says she doesn't care when life begins.

00:31:16.460 Maybe life begins in the womb. 0.97

00:31:17.640 She's willing to concede that.

00:31:18.780 Um, she says that the unborn life is innocent. 0.96

00:31:22.640 You know, she uses the word innocent in there. 1.00

00:31:24.560 So she surrenders all that ground.

00:31:27.120 She stops disputing any of that.

00:31:29.880 And she says that she thinks pro-abortion people shouldn't dispute any of that.

00:31:33.900 And, uh, and she says, yeah, but a woman should still be able to commit this act of violence 1.00

00:31:40.220 against the innocent because they shouldn't have to be pregnant if they don't want to be. 1.00

00:31:45.780 And I think another, even more simple way of putting that is, um, I should be able to get

00:31:54.120 an abortion because I want to, that really is the argument putting everything else aside,

00:32:02.300 personhood, uh, the humanity of the unborn, you know, rape and incest exceptions, and just

00:32:08.140 putting all that to the side, the fundamental argument that this woman is presenting is 1.00

00:32:14.780 I want to do it.

00:32:16.960 And so I should be able to do it.

00:32:21.880 That's, that's, that's really what it comes down to.

00:32:26.100 Um, and it is, as I say, the, the only coherent pro-abortion argument,

00:32:35.560 um, because it avoids making any scientifically, um, disprovable claims.

00:32:44.380 Most pro-abortion arguments you hear can be scientifically disproven in five seconds.

00:32:50.000 Like we can prove scientifically that an unborn, that, that a quote unquote fetus is a human

00:32:56.200 being.

00:32:56.440 That's very easy to prove.

00:32:57.660 Um, just pick up any biology textbook and you can demonstrate that fact, but here it's sidesteps

00:33:06.040 all of that.

00:33:06.780 And for someone to say, well, I should be able to do it because I want to, um, that's, that's

00:33:10.760 not a scientific claim at all.

00:33:12.160 So you can't use science against that.

00:33:15.380 Now you're getting into morality and philosophy and, and all of that.

00:33:19.860 Um, so I, I, for one, am, am glad that this woman put this out there.

00:33:27.840 Um, I'm happy when pro-abortion people make this argument because it is honest and it lays 0.71

00:33:35.540 bare the pro-abortion position.

00:33:37.960 It shows you what, what really lies at the bottom of it, which is just absolute uncompromising

00:33:46.280 selfishness and what I would encourage, you know, any, any pro-abortion person who watches

00:34:01.580 that video or here's that footage and just kind of recoils from it and says, oh, well,

00:34:06.420 wait a second.

00:34:09.000 You know, it's good that you're recoiling, but you should stop for a minute and think, you

00:34:15.140 know, what, what she's presented there is a coherent, although horrible argument.

00:34:26.500 Do you, can you think of a, of a, of a coherent argument for abortion that is not horrible?

00:34:35.740 Because as I said, all the personhood stuff, the humanity stuff, that, that all that's

00:34:39.720 scientifically disproven.

00:34:40.640 So if you're a pro-abortion person, you know, and, and you hear that and you recoil, maybe

00:34:46.880 that should tell you something about your position.

00:34:50.860 Maybe you should ask yourself whether or not you actually want to be aligned with people

00:34:57.400 who profess that philosophy.

00:35:00.880 Just something to think about.

00:35:02.540 All right.

00:35:02.920 Um, let's go to emails.

00:35:06.840 This is from Emily says, dear future Supreme Overlord.

00:35:11.140 I'm a new listener.

00:35:12.100 So I'm not sure if you've ever, if you've already discussed this or not, but I'm wondering about

00:35:16.200 your thoughts on the MGTOW movement, M-G-T-O-W. 0.99

00:35:20.840 I think that's men go their own way movement.

00:35:23.140 I think that's what that stands for.

00:35:24.600 Um, and men who dislike women as a reaction to feminism.

00:35:28.760 I don't personally have a problem with men doing their own thing without women. 0.99

00:35:32.580 However, I do have a problem with men who've had bad experiences with women who preach to 0.98

00:35:36.660 other more impressionable men and boys telling them that all Western women are insane and 0.98

00:35:42.060 that marriage is a death trap. 0.99

00:35:43.880 I view those people as little more than a male centric counterpart to radical feminists. 1.00

00:35:49.060 While I'm willing to concede that, uh, probably most Western women are either insane or tainted 1.00

00:35:55.100 by insanity in some way as a Western woman who is a devout Catholic and not an insane feminist, 0.95

00:36:00.520 uh, and who intends to marry one day, I find it unhelpful and unfair that women such as myself

00:36:06.620 get lumped in with the crazies by these men, as they don't seem to think that sane women

00:36:11.460 actually exist.

00:36:13.180 Also, when you ascend to your rightful place as ruler of the solar system, would a gift of

00:36:17.460 a decorative pillow make you more or less likely to grant me a quick death?

00:36:21.900 Um, hi, Emily.

00:36:24.060 Well, I think you already know the answer to that last question.

00:36:26.420 And, uh, so I don't think I need to spend any time on that.

00:36:30.620 As for the, uh, the MGTOW movement, I don't know if that's actually what they call themselves,

00:36:35.260 MGTOW.

00:36:36.340 I think it, uh, I agree with you.

00:36:38.360 I think it makes the same mistakes that feminism makes. 1.00

00:36:42.000 Um, feminism, especially the feminism of the last 100 years or so, uh, well, okay. 1.00

00:36:50.180 Feminism of the last, maybe that's going a little too far. 1.00

00:36:52.420 A feminism of the last 50 years or so has been almost completely anti-family and anti-man,

00:37:03.100 uh, with really no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

00:37:10.420 Feminism of the last 50 years, pretty much ever since feminism really invested itself 0.99

00:37:17.260 in, in, uh, in arguing for abortion.

00:37:20.540 And when abortion became kind of the central, the centerpiece of feminism. 1.00

00:37:25.020 Now you go back a hundred years and you'll find that feminists, uh, did have some legitimate 1.00

00:37:31.060 gripes, uh, certainly, you know, advocating for the vote for women.

00:37:35.620 Okay.

00:37:35.740 That was a legitimate point.

00:37:38.620 Um, feminism a hundred years ago had some, had other legitimate points to make, but even 1.00

00:37:43.680 then I think, and this is a mistake that, that I, that conservatives will make where

00:37:48.260 they say that, yeah, you know, feminism used to be a good thing, but it became perverted 1.00

00:37:52.920 over time and, and now it's not so good.

00:37:55.780 Um, I think that feminism, if you, if you really research it and you read into it and 1.00

00:38:00.740 you read what the kind of original feminists actually had to say, you'll find that feminism 1.00

00:38:07.520 has always been anti-family and anti-man and also anti-Christian, by the way.

00:38:14.960 Um, it's always been that way.

00:38:16.920 It just so happened that a hundred years ago or, you know, 110 years ago, they had,

00:38:22.200 it was anti-family and anti-man, but they act, but they were fighting for some good things

00:38:27.320 as well.

00:38:28.280 Um, now they're not fighting for anything good.

00:38:30.200 It's just anti-family, anti-man.

00:38:32.760 Um, I think it's, it's the same thing with the men's rights people, the, you know, men go 0.95

00:38:41.080 their own way, the male feminists, whatever you want to call them. 1.00

00:38:44.660 Um, they are anti-family because they're anti-marriage and you can't have a stable, healthy family without

00:38:52.220 marriage.

00:38:52.780 So they're anti-family and, uh, and they're anti-woman to answer the anti-man position of

00:38:58.380 feminism. 1.00

00:38:59.260 Um, now they do have some legitimate points, namely their criticisms of feminism are oftentimes

00:39:08.380 correct.

00:39:09.020 The only problem is, as you point out, they're exhibiting the exact same pitfalls just from

00:39:15.340 the opposite direction.

00:39:16.480 So they aren't really an answer to feminists because they are feminists. 1.00

00:39:21.040 Basically they are just bizarro world feminists. 1.00

00:39:24.560 I think a real answer to feminism is a movement that is pro-family, pro-marriage, um, and not

00:39:32.580 anti-either gender, a movement that recognizes the complimentary nature of the sexes and seeks

00:39:40.000 to build up men and build up women and, um, and encourage happy and healthy marriages and

00:39:48.040 families.

00:39:48.500 I mean, that's how you, you combat feminism in my view, not by, um, just being, you know,

00:39:54.360 anti-woman in general. 0.97

00:39:55.640 Um, and of course it's just, it's just not true that all Western women are crazy, uh, 1.00

00:40:07.300 feminists any more than it's true that all men are, you know, uh, are sexually harassing jerks 1.00

00:40:15.000 like feminists like to paint them. 1.00

00:40:16.380 I mean, both of those stereotypes are completely false and ridiculous. 0.97

00:40:19.920 And all you have to do is just go out there and meet people and you'll discover that, you 0.80

00:40:24.600 know, if a feminist would just go out and actually meet men, uh, and get to know them, 1.00

00:40:32.520 they would see that the, the, the, the way they paint men is incorrect.

00:40:35.800 And, uh, same for these male feminist types. 1.00

00:40:38.020 I mean, I know plenty of women, my wife included, who are not only not feminists, but are more 0.99

00:40:45.360 anti-feminist than I am, you know?

00:40:47.640 All right.

00:40:49.520 This is from, uh, Dave says, Matt, I can relate to what you're going through.

00:40:54.140 I tore my Achilles about a week before you.

00:40:56.520 I admire the fact that you've been able to joke about it so much.

00:40:58.740 Honestly, I've been extremely depressed about it.

00:41:01.000 Can't go anywhere.

00:41:02.040 Can't do anything.

00:41:02.940 Can't drive.

00:41:04.040 I'm usually a very active person.

00:41:05.640 So this has been devastating.

00:41:07.300 My question for you is what are you doing to pass the time?

00:41:10.360 How are you using all the downtime?

00:41:12.340 That's the hardest part for me.

00:41:13.760 Yes, it was the most, it was the most physically painful thing I ever felt when it

00:41:17.520 happened and it hurt pretty bad after the surgery, but the pain is nothing compared to the boredom

00:41:22.020 and the unwelcome change to my lifestyle.

00:41:24.440 Uh, Dave, I feel like we should start a support group, maybe a support group for GIMPs, GIMPs

00:41:30.400 Anonymous.

00:41:31.600 Although I guess I'm not very anonymous, so it doesn't really, it doesn't really work.

00:41:34.880 Uh, it is tough, uh, but don't let my joking fool you.

00:41:37.940 I, I am also equally as depressed by the fact that all I can do is basically lay around the

00:41:43.460 house.

00:41:44.340 Um, it is pretty torturous, especially in the summer.

00:41:47.840 You know, I just look outside and the birds are chirping and, you know, it's a beautiful

00:41:51.600 day and here I am.

00:41:54.320 It is, uh, it's pretty bad, but you know, we should, we should also remember that it's,

00:41:58.140 this is temporary for us.

00:41:59.420 There are a lot of people who have permanent disabilities and I'm sure they look at us

00:42:03.220 whining about, you know, a few months of downtime and they just roll their eyes.

00:42:07.560 Um, so, um, as far as what I'm doing to pass the time, well, I personally, I can't sit for

00:42:14.140 hours and watch TV.

00:42:15.240 I just, I can't do it, um, much less can I sit for weeks and watch TV.

00:42:20.020 I just, I don't like TV that much.

00:42:22.800 Um, it gets boring.

00:42:23.880 So what I decided was I want to take a subject and just learn everything I can about that subject

00:42:33.560 while I'm laying around, you know, just read a bunch of books and, um, because, uh, I don't

00:42:39.020 know why not.

00:42:39.640 I mean, if I, if I can't exercise physically, at least I can use my brain.

00:42:43.240 And so, um, as someone who's interested in the civil war, I decided that I'm just going

00:42:48.640 to binge read civil war books.

00:42:50.380 So I've got a stack of civil war books, just working my way through them.

00:42:54.300 And, um, you know, because I don't know, it's something to do and, uh, at least I can learn

00:42:59.600 something in the meantime.

00:43:00.300 So maybe that would be my suggestion is pick a, pick a topic, any topic really, and, um,

00:43:07.760 get a bunch of books about it and just read about that topic.

00:43:11.040 And then by the time you're, um, you know, you're, you're physically healthy again, you'll

00:43:16.540 be a, you'll be an expert on, on that topic.

00:43:19.800 So, which, which I think actually, even if you don't have a torn Achilles, um, maybe that's

00:43:24.000 good advice.

00:43:24.260 Maybe we could all do that even regardless of our, of our health situation.

00:43:27.520 Just, I think it's a good, a good thing to do.

00:43:30.440 Um, just every once in a while, pick some topic and learn everything you can about it

00:43:35.040 just for the sake of learning about it.

00:43:37.380 Not because you're going to use the information, not because it's going to help you with your

00:43:41.580 job or whatever, uh, but just to know it just for the sake of knowing.

00:43:46.300 Um, all right, um, this is from Lee says, yo, Matt heard one of your monologues on beards

00:43:55.860 recently.

00:43:56.300 And a couple of questions popped into my head.

00:43:58.400 Is there a moral case to be made for beards, um, uh, for beards slash not shaving?

00:44:04.520 Does this fall under the category of vanity?

00:44:07.600 Is it emasculating or kowtowing to female prejudices to shave? 1.00

00:44:12.520 I think C.S. Lewis or Chesterton mentioned this somewhere.

00:44:16.060 On the other hand, is the current relative popularity of beards tied into a subconscious

00:44:20.560 knowledge of the loss of real masculinity and a superficial attempt to retrieve it?

00:44:25.600 Um, well, first of all, C.S. Lewis, I think really his only flaw was that he had no facial

00:44:33.160 hair.

00:44:33.540 So I don't think he said that, um, which is really a tragedy that he didn't have facial

00:44:38.000 hair.

00:44:38.160 Uh, yeah, I think you, you certainly could argue that it is immoral to be clean shaven.

00:44:44.520 Um, it's definitely problematic, ethically speaking.

00:44:48.820 No question about that.

00:44:50.120 Is it a sin?

00:44:51.480 Um, is it, is it, will you go to hell, you know, for instance, for, for being clean shaven?

00:44:58.220 Um, this is something that theologians can debate.

00:45:01.940 I would tend to say yes, probably.

00:45:06.340 And my, my reason for that is very simple.

00:45:08.580 W.W.J.D., what would Jesus do?

00:45:11.360 Well, we know based on all the, all the paintings that we see that Jesus had a beard.

00:45:16.360 Um, also he was an Orthodox Jew.

00:45:18.100 So that's another reason why he had a beard.

00:45:20.040 And so, you know, I mean, Jesus had a beard, yet you as a man shave your beard.

00:45:27.520 So you're saying that, what, you are better than Jesus?

00:45:34.020 I mean, it's just, I, I'll, I'll put it this way.

00:45:37.020 I would not want to approach the pearly gates, um, with, with a, with a baby face. 1.00

00:45:43.160 I would, that's not a risk that I would want to take.

00:45:45.420 So that's all, that's all I'll say about that.

00:45:47.920 Uh, let's get to one more email.

00:45:49.500 This is from, um, well, let's see here.

00:45:52.980 We have time for this one.

00:45:53.860 Um, I guess we'll save this one.

00:45:57.940 I got a, a good email about euthanasia, which has been back in the news.

00:46:01.780 And, um, but that's going to be kind of a long answer.

00:46:05.280 So I think we'll save that one.

00:46:06.980 Bree, I got your email and I'll save it for tomorrow.

00:46:09.500 Uh, but thanks everybody for watching.

00:46:11.060 Thanks for listening.

00:46:11.980 Godspeed.

00:46:23.860 Hey everyone.

00:46:26.020 It's Andrew Klavan, host of the Andrew Klavan show.

00:46:29.160 The New York times, a former newspaper launched a full on attack on conservative voices on

00:46:33.580 YouTube over the weekend, essentially giving cover to YouTube's plan to de-platform anything

00:46:38.500 they deem hateful.

00:46:39.860 In other words, conservatives or anyone, the New York times, a former newspaper thinks

00:46:44.200 is unacceptable.

00:46:45.420 Well, if we're going to start censoring haters, I say we start with the people who support baby

00:46:49.140 killing and spying on presidential candidates like the New York times, a former newspaper.

00:46:54.220 Nah, let's let them talk too.

00:46:56.080 That's on the Andrew Klavan show.

00:46:57.520 I'm Andrew Klavan.

The Matt Walsh Show - June 10, 2019

Ep. 272 - How The Left Normalizes Abuse

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