00:00:00.000Today on the Matt Walsh Show, there is a straight pride parade, a straight pride parade planned in
00:00:05.040Boston, and we're told that this event is offensive and stupid, but if it's stupid to
00:00:10.360have a straight pride parade, then isn't it stupid to have a gay pride parade too?
00:00:15.720Also, the LGBT lobby has not stopped harassing Jack Phillips and Masterpiece Cake Shop.
00:00:21.120They just continue going after this guy. We'll talk about the latest in that ongoing saga,
00:00:25.520plus your emails today on the Matt Walsh Show.
00:00:30.000Welcome to the show, everybody. I want to talk about this straight pride parade that's
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00:02:52.180get paid. Okay, so I will say that personally, I agree for the most part with the people who say that
00:03:03.640the upcoming Straight Pride Parade, maybe you heard about in Boston, is silly. You know, I agree that
00:03:12.320it's a silly thing. It's not something that I would be personally interested in attending.
00:03:19.000Though I do, I appreciate some of the, you know, I appreciate especially the intentional irony of
00:03:24.880Milo Yiannopoulos being the grand marshal of the parade. He's, of course, very openly gay,
00:03:31.300and yet he's leading the Straight Pride Parade, which is kind of a tongue-in-cheek move by the
00:03:36.400organizers. And I appreciate that. You know, I do. But I think overall it's a silly thing. And I think
00:03:43.200I am on stable intellectual ground in calling the parade silly because I have also said the same
00:03:52.560thing about gay pride parades. In fact, in my opinion, I think parades in general are kind of
00:03:58.800stupid. I don't get the attraction to parades of any kind, really. Parades are basically festive
00:04:05.900traffic jams. That's what they are. Especially if you go to a, if you've ever been to a small town
00:04:10.520parade where they don't even have floats or anything. And for the most part, the parade mostly
00:04:15.760consists of just local business owners riding their company vans, you know, through the parades.
00:04:22.400Yeah, you really are just watching traffic go by. And people sit there for two hours and just watch
00:04:27.260the traffic go by. And I don't, you know, I don't get it. I personally don't get it. But I will
00:04:32.300acknowledge that there are some justifiable reasons to throw a parade. Okay? Like if you win a war,
00:04:41.940okay, you throw a parade. If you win a Super Bowl, you throw a parade. The point is, if we're going to
00:04:48.760have a parade to announce our pride in something, it should be something that we actually accomplished.
00:04:57.000It should be an achievement of some sort. Well, then it makes sense to have a parade.
00:05:02.360Or if not an achievement, it should be a holiday, you know, an actual day of celebration, like a
00:05:09.240Thanksgiving parade or a Christmas parade. But your sexual orientation is not an achievement.
00:05:18.280Neither is it a holiday. Okay? You haven't accomplished anything simply by being attracted to
00:05:24.120one sex or another. And the thing is, um, the, the, you know, LGBT folks, they're the ones who insist
00:05:32.100that being gay is not a choice. It's biological. You were born that way. Well, then that's even more
00:05:38.720reason not to have a pride parade because it's just, if it's something you're born with, then you might as
00:05:43.340well have a parade, uh, you know, a, a, a right handy, a right, you know, a right hander parade that
00:05:49.740you're, you're proud of the fact that you're right handed. It just, if that's the case, it makes even
00:05:54.460less sense. You might as well have a parade for people with brown eyes. I mean, what's, what's the
00:05:58.300point? Um, now it's argued of course, that the real purpose of a gay pride parade is to resist and
00:06:06.300protest and, uh, stand up against the persecution of homosexuals. Heterosexuals are not persecuted for
00:06:14.540being heterosexual as the argument goes. So therefore a heterosexual pride parade is pointless,
00:06:19.220but there is a point to the gay pride parade. But if that's the point of a gay pride parade,
00:06:24.040then why do we call it a pride parade? If it's really a protest, then why don't we call it a protest
00:06:29.860or a rally or a demonstration? You know, but you don't hear that. They don't, they don't say it's a
00:06:34.600gay pride protest. They say it's a gay pride parade. And if it is a protest, why do they hold
00:06:41.840these quote protests in places like San Francisco and Los Angeles and New York rather than, uh, Iran
00:06:51.160or Saudi Arabia? It seems that these pride parades are held in precisely the places where gays are not
00:06:58.620persecuted. So all of the evidence indicates that gay pride parades are indeed gay pride parades. That
00:07:07.200is, they are parades that give gay people the opportunity to announce their pride in being
00:07:13.560gay. You know, if you go to the New York city pride parade website, it calls their pride parade, a pride
00:07:19.980celebration. There's another LGBT website that's a, that says, you know, gay people should quote,
00:07:25.520feel pride in being gay. So that, that puts it pretty plainly. And if you agree that gays should
00:07:34.100feel pride in being gay, if gays should feel pride in their gayness, um, and that parades ought to be
00:07:41.200held across the country to celebrate that pride and to, uh, you know, create these spaces for self
00:07:48.520expression for gay people or whatever, then it's obviously ludicrous to, and it's a double standard
00:07:55.080to insist that heterosexuals aren't entitled to a similar celebration. Why, you know, straight people,
00:07:59.780why aren't they entitled to a celebration of their straightness? And the double standard becomes even
00:08:05.660more pronounced and obvious when you take into account the whole, as we talked about last week,
00:08:12.260you've got this whole, uh, buffet of sexual orientations that have now attached themselves
00:08:19.140like barnacles to the broader LGBT ship. So gay men and lesbian women, aren't the only one,
00:08:26.540only ones celebrating their sexual orientation. Um, there are also bisexuals and transsexuals and
00:08:32.140pansexuals and asexuals and graysexuals and demisexuals and gender fluid people and gender
00:08:37.260questioning people. Is it reasonable to say that all of these people can and should publicly declare
00:08:42.760their pride, but not heterosexuals? I mean, is it reasonable to say that all of those people? Yeah,
00:08:50.040yeah, sure. But gay people, they got pride. Lesbians have pride. Asexuals have pride, transsexual,
00:08:55.240all of them, but no, not straight people. No, you're, you're not supposed to have pride.
00:08:59.640And going back to the persecution thing, if this is really about persecution, then why are we
00:09:05.180including pansexuals? I mean, when was the last time a pansexual was persecuted? I mean,
00:09:10.340have you ever heard of a pan, you ever, have you ever seen a, a sign up on a business somewhere
00:09:15.840saying pansexuals, not allowed. Get out of here. You're pansexuals. No, I wouldn't know how to
00:09:21.320persecute a pansexual if I wanted to. I, I, I, you know, if I went out looking for a pansexual to
00:09:27.180persecute, I wouldn't be able to do it. So no, again, this is not about persecution. This is about
00:09:33.100boasting of your sex life. And then if that's the case, then why can't straight people boast
00:09:39.120just the same? Now, as I said, I'm not in favor of anyone boasting about this sort of thing,
00:09:45.900but I'm even less in favor of arbitrary rules that allow some people to boast while telling other
00:09:54.300people to keep quiet. The double standard, the inconsistency to me is the worst thing.
00:09:59.800I hate that more than anything else. And the left is famous for making rules like that.
00:10:06.260And, um, so maybe on second thought, the straight pride parade is a little bit more than a silly
00:10:13.980stunt. Maybe the point is simply to defy the left's rules just for the sake of defying them.
00:10:20.940Why are they doing the straight pride parade? Well, because, uh,
00:10:25.640because they're not supposed to, I guess maybe that's the point. And if that's the point, then,
00:10:33.720you know, maybe there could be some value in it after all, even though I still wouldn't go myself.
00:10:38.500See the message that the left has been sending, uh, to straight white males for years now has been,
00:10:46.900you're not allowed to take pride in anything while everyone else celebrates their sexuality and their
00:10:54.320race and their culture and their heritage and their history. You aren't allowed to celebrate
00:10:58.900anything about yourself. If you do, you're a homophobe or you're a racist or you're a, uh,
00:11:05.460you know, you're ethnocentric or whatever. No, the only thing you're allowed to feel about yourself
00:11:11.360is guilt and shame. That's been the message for decades. And eventually, you know, people get
00:11:18.700tired of it. People get tired of the guilt and the shame. People get tired of the, the double standards.
00:11:26.400I think it's as simple as that. There's been, um, a lot of discussion recently about radicalization,
00:11:35.840especially the radicalization of young white heterosexual men. Now, much of what the media
00:11:42.180calls radicalization is really just people deciding that they're conservative and that's not radicalization.
00:11:48.480That's just someone exploring ideas and coming to conclusions and forming opinions. There's not
00:11:54.760nothing radical about that, but, uh, there is some actual radicalization going on. I acknowledge that
00:12:01.980there are radical groups. Uh, there are radical, there's a radical fringe out there on both sides
00:12:08.220where indeed, um, especially on the right, you have angry young white men who, who end up in these,
00:12:16.880these groups that that is happening. Maybe the straight pride parade is an example of that. I don't
00:12:22.580know. I don't know a lot about the group that's holding this thing. I have no idea. Um, but
00:12:28.120whatever radicalization is, perhaps we should consider the possibility that young white men are becoming
00:12:38.700radicalized in part because of the guilt and the shame and the blame that is constantly heaped on
00:12:46.820them by the culture. They are born the villains. They are born into an identity that the culture tells
00:12:54.040them is tainted. And while everyone else is told to celebrate their identity, these men are told,
00:13:00.760uh, the opposite to apologize and repent and feel guilt. And after a while it wears on you and you,
00:13:08.540you know, you take these men, you add in on top of the shame and the guilt from the culture,
00:13:14.340on top of all the cultural situation, you add in a lack of, of good male role models in the home,
00:13:20.320a lack of, uh, of, you know, attentive fathers, perhaps you add in a school system that caters to
00:13:27.120girls while, uh, you know, telling boys that they're diseased and have ADHD or whatever,
00:13:33.400just because they act like boys take all those factors together. It's not hard to see how some
00:13:39.080of these guys go down, uh, the radical path, but, and that's not making excuses or, or anything like
00:13:47.320that. That's trying to understand how we ended up where we are now and why people make the choices
00:13:56.080they make. And if, you know, the left loves to complain about angry white men, oh, they're angry
00:14:04.120white men, angry white. Have you ever stopped at that? Like, what are they angry about? Have you
00:14:10.040stopped to consider that? Does it, I mean, you don't want them to be angry. Have you just stopped for a
00:14:16.040second to think like, what are they angry about? And thing is, even when you, everything I'm saying
00:14:23.100now, there are going to be people who respond, oh yeah, sure. Straight white, straight white males
00:14:26.920are persecuted. Yeah, whatever. See, that attitude is exactly the problem. I'm not, I'm not talking
00:14:32.680about persecution. This is not, you know, that's not the word I'm using. Um, but shame and guilt.
00:14:41.100Yeah. There's, there's just no question about that. That is a fact. It's just a fact in our
00:14:46.460culture that if you are a straight white male, you are told to feed you, you are, there is shame and
00:14:51.620guilt heaped on you from a young age. It's just, that's, that's call it whatever you want to call
00:14:55.320it, but that's what happens. And it has a negative effect on people. That's the lesson here.
00:15:03.180So maybe leftists could consider that what you're doing, it's not working. The white guilt thing,
00:15:08.120it's, it's, it is having the opposite effect from what you intend. It's not causing white people
00:15:14.700to be more open and tolerant and everything. It's not, it doesn't, it doesn't, people don't work that
00:15:19.600way. That doesn't work. Um, but we're not allowed to talk about this. Of course, when discussing the
00:15:29.440real or perceived sins of young white men, the only thing we're allowed to do is blame them.
00:15:33.520And, uh, and so the cycle, the cycle continues. All right, let's, uh, on a somewhat related note
00:15:42.540here, let's check in with Jack Phillips and a masterpiece cake shop. Now this is a sort of the
00:15:52.940never ending saga. And let's, I'm going to read now from a daily wire report just published on the
00:15:58.860site yesterday. It says masterpiece cake shop is again under fire. Now the subject of a third
00:16:04.120discrimination lawsuit, alleging that owner Jack Phillips discriminated against a customer by
00:16:10.520refusing to make a cake for an unspecified offense. Uh, Phillips, of course, one of the United
00:16:16.160States Supreme court after suing the Colorado human rights commission that punished him for refusing to
00:16:21.520provide a wedding cake for a same sex wedding in Denver. Um, the latest, uh, skipping ahead a little
00:16:27.660bit. The latest lawsuit was filed Wednesday in Denver district court on behalf of Autumn Scardina
00:16:33.720by attorneys, Paul Greeson and John McHugh. Scardina is the same woman. Uh, I believe actually this is a
00:16:41.620quote trans woman as a man we're talking about who filed the previous lawsuit, alleging discrimination
00:16:47.580after masterpiece cake shop denied her request for a cake celebrating gender transition. Um,
00:16:54.260then the reports on the newest lawsuit are vague on the theme of the pastry in question. They have
00:17:00.080said so far only that Scardina requested a birthday cake, but previous filings indicate that Scardina has
00:17:05.920gone out of her way on several occasions to request cakes that master peeps cake shop clearly would not
00:17:11.560make. Um, okay. So this is, I guess the specifics of this, this is the third lawsuit now against, uh,
00:17:18.920this is the third time that the LGBT lobby has come after Jack Phillips third time. I mean the,
00:17:26.540the, the bullies that went after him now we can't really say that he won in the Supreme court. He
00:17:30.780didn't lose. So the fact that he didn't lose maybe as you could say is a victory, but certainly the,
00:17:37.560the bullies that were going after him, especially the human rights commission, they lost. They got
00:17:42.620scolded by the Supreme court for, um, for targeting, uh, Jack Phillips and for having clear anti-Christian
00:17:51.160bias. So that was the first one. Then this Autumn Scardina character, who again, I believe is a,
00:17:59.140is a man because this was someone who wanted a, you know, wanted a cake to celebrate his gender
00:18:05.040transition into a woman. Um, filed a lawsuit over that. And now we have another, I guess, apparently
00:18:11.960another, a different cake that this person wanted, but it, this is clear. This is, this is a troubled
00:18:19.520person who has been harassing Jack Phillips for months. Um, there are some, let me find some of the
00:18:28.400details of the other cakes that this person wanted. Um, Newsweek reports that the baked goods at the
00:18:35.620center of Scardina's previous complaints to Colorado authorities included a cake to celebrate Satan's
00:18:40.340birthday with quote cheesecake frosting. That would feature a large figure of Satan licking a nine
00:18:47.620inch black dildo, an actual working model that can be turned on before we unveil the cake. Okay.
00:18:55.760Okay. So this is a person that that's one of the cakes that Scardina requested. And that was turned
00:19:02.800down, wanted a gender transition cake, which isn't even a thing, right? I mean, that's not a gender
00:19:09.620transit. Like, so you got a gen, a gender transition, which by the way is impossible.
00:19:14.300There's no such thing as a gender transition. You can't transition from one gender to another. So,
00:19:18.740uh, but I, you know, I can't continue doing the scare quotes around every word that I use when
00:19:22.660talking about this case. So just, just fill in the scare quotes yourself. She had a, he had a gender
00:19:28.640transition cake, um, which is just not, not really even a thing. Obviously a cake that he came up with
00:19:36.780because he wanted to be turned down. Then you've got a cake for Satan's birthday. And then another
00:19:42.040cake, this is somebody, he is harassing Jack Phillips. This is harass, this is anti-Christian
00:19:50.180harassment. The only reason why this bully, uh, keeps going after Jack Phillips is because he knows
00:20:00.860that Jack Phillips is a Christian. That's the only reason. So the lawsuit should be the other way.
00:20:08.820The discrimination is happening the other way with this case. There's just no basis to this
00:20:15.480whatsoever. This is a completely baseless discrimination complaint. And, um, anyone who
00:20:21.820takes it seriously is, knows what they're doing, knows they're being dishonest. Uh, and, and by the way,
00:20:30.540that, that applies also to the original lawsuit that got all this going in the first place.
00:20:37.880I just don't believe that those two gay men who came to, um, Jack Phillips looking for a cake for
00:20:43.800their gay wedding. Uh, I just don't believe that it was a coincidence that they happened to go to Jack
00:20:50.600Phillips who was known as a devout Christian and who was known as someone who turned down cakes if he
00:20:58.580didn't want to do them on religious grounds. He turned down Halloween cakes, uh, and other cakes
00:21:04.120like that, you know, raunchy, you know, uh, bachelorette party or bachelor party cakes. He turned
00:21:10.580those down. He was known for doing that. And these two gay men just happened to pick him as the guy to
00:21:16.520make their gay wedding cake. And when he turned them down, they just so happened to be ready. You know,
00:21:21.720they had the lawyer on standby. They went to the human rights commission. Yeah. Okay. That was a
00:21:25.080sure. Right. It was just totally innocent and coincidental. I'm sure. No, this is all,
00:21:31.160it was a setup from the beginning. This is a setup too. Uh, they, they won't leave him alone.
00:21:38.380And this is how the LGBT lobby operates. If they get you in their sights, they will not leave you alone.
00:21:45.360They will just keep coming after you and keep coming after you. The LGBT lobby. These are the
00:21:50.920biggest bullies in America. These are some of the most vicious people in America. And when I say that,
00:21:58.540I am talking about the LGBT lobby, these left-wing gay activists specifically. I'm not talking about
00:22:04.860gay people in general. I'm talking about, uh, people like Adams, Adams Cardena and the two gay men that
00:22:11.340came after Phillips originally, those, those people that go out prowling on the lookout for Christians
00:22:20.000that they can entrap and then try to ruin their life. It is vengeful, vicious, cruel. These people are
00:22:30.320bullies and nothing more. All right. Before we get to your emails, we need to talk briefly. Well, I guess
00:22:38.380we don't need to talk about this, but we will, uh, these videos have been popping up online recently.
00:22:43.080They are absolutely terrifying and I'm sorry. I have to subject you to this, but I, I, I do have
00:22:51.300to share a couple of them with you, uh, just because I had to see it. So that means you have to see it
00:22:56.900a couple of people as well. So first, uh, watch this.
00:23:00.600Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. I want to go 80 disadvantaging ummm. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom.
00:23:14.600We are truly, sister, about my loyalty. We can't be beat on friendship. It's all the doubt for me. Boom, boom. I want to go 80 pie. Boom, boom. That's all the delta pie. Boom, boom. I want to go 80 pie. Don't you? Boom, boom. I want to wear white and blue. Boom, boom. And wear the diamond, too. Boom, boom. I want to go 80 pie. Don't you? We are truly, sister, about my loyalty.
00:23:43.380We can't be beat on friendship. It's all the doubt for me.
00:23:47.620My God. My God. But it gets worse, okay? But watch this one.
00:23:58.040Hi, I'm Maddie, recruitment vice president. I'm Haley, chapter president. I'm Jean Marie, formal recruitment chair.
00:24:05.560We've been waiting for you all summer, and we're so glad you're finally here.
00:24:13.380Boom, boom. I want to go 85. Boom, boom. And maybe that ain't no lie. Boom, boom. I want to go 80 pie. Don't you? Boom, boom. I want to wear white and blue. Boom, boom. And wear that diamond, too. Boom, boom. I want to go 85. Don't you? Boom, boom. I want to go 85. Boom, boom. That's all the delta pie. Boom, boom. I want to go 85. Don't you?
00:24:36.820Okay, you know what? I changed my mind. Actually, white people are bad. It turns out that, yeah, okay. You know what? Down with white people.
00:24:45.220That is just, that is a, that is a, that's a vision of hell right there. That, I mean, I imagine that walking up to the gates of hell is like that. You just walk up to the gates of hell, you see that.
00:24:57.160That's how you're greeted, by a gaggle of white sorority girls in matching t-shirts chanting their witch's spell at you.
00:25:03.660So, um, it is bone chilling stuff. And I, and it only further supports my view, which I've held for a long time, that sororities and fraternities are cults that are always just one step away from Jonestown.
00:25:18.660And, and, and, and if, if you want proof, I mean that you have exhibit one and two right there. Um, really, really terrifying.
00:25:26.180All right, let's go to, let's try to get away from that and try to erase that from our minds as quickly as we can.
00:25:33.740We'll go to emails, mattwalshowatgmail.com, mattwalshowatgmail.com.
00:25:38.840Um, here's a, here's a long one, but I, I, I love emails like this.
00:25:46.640Kind of someone describing their intellectual journey, or I guess as the media would put it, this is a story of radicalization.
00:25:54.100So let me read this one. This is from Chris says, hello, Lord and savior, future theocratic dictator of this world.
00:25:59.320My name is Chris. I am a 19 year old Chilean conservative male living in Canada.
00:26:05.280I redeem myself to your wisdom today to get some insight into two main questions to which I can't seem to answer myself since I do not possess your intellectual capacity.
00:26:14.820Um, I used to be an atheist, socialist, left-wing, pro-abortion psycho, since I used to think that if my girlfriend got pregnant,
00:26:23.080I would like to be able to get rid of that responsibility to which abortion is very convenient.
00:26:27.500After listening to one of Ben Shapiro's anti-abortion videos in which he shows the picture of a baby and says,
00:26:32.980this is a little game for the left. Where in this picture is it okay to murder this baby?
00:26:37.540Um, that made me realize how evil I was, uh, how evil that I was supporting.
00:26:44.200And I became instantly pro-life. Now I advocate pro-life at college where I study, which is overwhelmingly left-leaning.
00:26:51.220Um, I also used to be a socialist because I thought it was unfair there were people driving Ferraris in the same place in which there were homeless starving.
00:27:00.500I have by now realized that there is a lot of personal decisions that both of these people took that brought them to where they are now.
00:27:07.680After noticing that I was wrong in socialism and abortion, I really wondered in what else I was wrong.
00:27:12.740I started listening to Ben Shapiro more often and seeing his debates.
00:27:15.900And it turned out that all the points he was making sounded kind of rough, but it was common sense.
00:27:20.300Later on, I discovered you through the Daily Wire.
00:27:23.120And since I was by then a conservative atheist, I agreed with virtually all your points, but religion.
00:27:28.780Despite being raised a Catholic Christian, uh, every time you talked about religion, I was like, nah, I will take the moral lesson from this since it is correct, but I will not attribute it to God nor religion.
00:28:04.480And now I'm getting some courage to start going to church.
00:28:06.920I can't say I believe in God by now because I'm still uncertain, but I am living my life as if God were real, since I have been wrong in everything else.
00:28:14.240Do you think what I am doing, since I am not certain about God's existence, is wrong?
00:28:18.300Do you think this kind of resembles Pascal's wager?
00:28:20.920And if it does, do you disagree, since I know you don't like that argument?
00:28:24.580An atheist argument that I heard you addressing is who created God.
00:28:28.180If everything has a creator and nothing exists on its own, this is an argument that I used to make when I was atheist, fully convinced that God was not real.
00:28:35.720However, I didn't really understand your explanation, and I would like to ask if you could elaborate a little bit more on that one, or on simple words, and then a bit more complicated to get the general idea.
00:28:45.740Assuming that God exists, God bless you, Matt.
00:28:54.000I say that from the bottom of my heart, there's so many people that see you as a role model, as the father they never had, and you have brought so many people from the deepest holes of depression.
00:29:06.460Hope the surgery went well, and you're not in too much pain.
00:29:08.480Okay, Chris, well, thanks for that email and for your intellectual consistency and courage to radically change your position like that.
00:29:19.700To be willing, and I think a lot of people don't understand this or appreciate this, to be willing to even consider the possibility that you're wrong, not just about one issue, but about, as you say, almost everything.
00:29:36.460That takes an enormous amount of courage.
00:29:42.720And there are a lot of people, I think, conservative Christians, who are basically right about most of the things that they think, but they didn't earn those opinions, really, or come to those conclusions on their own.
00:29:57.980They were just born into it, which is fine.
00:30:00.120I mean, I'm trying to raise my kids that way.
00:31:03.860To your question about are you doing the wrong thing by going to church and exploring religion, even though you don't believe in God, the answer to that is absolutely not.
00:31:16.640Now, I have, when I talk about Paschal's Wager, I've said that I don't think that's an effective argument on its own, in and of itself, to convince someone to be a Christian.
00:31:28.800But I think what you're doing here is not Paschal's Wager.
00:31:31.740What you're doing here is you're exploring the possibility of God's existence.
00:34:26.660Moreover, there's a logical problem with the idea of an infinite past.
00:34:31.820Because if the past is infinite, then that would mean that you would need to traverse an infinite series of moments in order to reach our current moment.
00:34:40.960Which means that you would never reach it, because you cannot traverse infinity.
00:34:45.400So in other words, if the past is infinite, we would never have arrived at right now.
00:34:49.500Now, the fact that we're at a right now, in the middle of, you know, time, a series of events, would seem to suggest that there's a beginning to that series.
00:35:01.880If there was no beginning, then we would never get to right now.
00:35:05.700So just the whole idea doesn't make sense.
00:35:07.800It creates just a lot of logical contradictions.
00:36:01.740And now I would argue that we do see evidence of God around us.
00:36:04.940But I would also say that I can throw that right back at the atheist and say, look, if things can just pop into the air with no cause, if there can be uncaused effects, then we should see that.
00:36:39.700And you would think that we would if reality itself just popped into being one day with no cause.
00:36:46.140The third option, aside from God, is that the universe did have a beginning and it was caused, but not by God.
00:36:55.520I don't see how that could be the case either.
00:36:57.320I see a lot of logical problems with the idea of mindless energy or particles just randomly causing a universe to come into being, not to mention where did that energy or those particles come from?
00:37:08.520So you still run into the same problem.
00:37:09.880But I think the biggest problem with the idea of a mindless cause is this conversation right now, or really what allows us to have this conversation, which is the mind.
00:38:06.540That's what leads us to the conclusion that there must be an uncaused mind in the universe, a spark that starts the fireworks, a conscious spark.
00:38:17.620So when I say that God is uncaused, that nobody created him, that's not a cop out.
00:40:08.100And so in some ways, it's pointless to rank them.
00:40:11.660But, you know, I mean, shoplifting and rape are also both evil.
00:40:15.540But we wouldn't say that they're the same degree of evil.
00:40:18.860So I think that euthanasia and abortion are both evil, both very evil.
00:40:24.340But if we are going to get into the game of ranking them, I would say abortion is worse, so to speak.
00:40:30.920But why should we oppose the kind of euthanasia that you're talking about and just assuming that, as we both do, that, you know, of course it's wrong to euthanize children or people who aren't terminally ill, as they do, in fact, do in Europe.
00:40:47.820But what about euthanizing people who are terminally ill, the very elderly and so on?
00:40:54.940I think there are three reasons why it's wrong.
00:40:57.400Number one, or at least I'll say it's there are three reasons why I oppose it.
00:41:03.020OK, number one is that I think it's just inherently wrong.
00:41:06.560Number two, I think it's a slippery slope.
00:41:08.440And number three, it is a dangerous misuse of the medical profession.
00:41:12.980And now let me go through and explain those each in more detail.
00:41:59.660You mentioned those horrible cases in in in Europe of people being euthanized, not for terminal illnesses, but for alcoholism or depression or what have you.
00:42:11.640Well, how do you think that Europe got to that point?
00:42:15.020They didn't just dive in with lethal injections for alcoholics.
00:42:18.880They started with terminally ill adults and eventually they ended up where they are today.
00:42:24.680And I think that's inevitable because the point, the justification of euthanasia, is that nobody should be forced to continue existing.
00:42:35.300And if someone thinks that life is pointless and too painful, they should be provided an exit.
00:42:40.920And that has to be the justification for euthanasia.
00:42:44.380But if that is the justification, then how do you justify excluding the non-terminally ill?
00:42:50.420I think that exclusion is kind of arbitrary.
00:42:52.660I mean, to be in physical pain, the kind of physical pain you would be in if you were dying of cancer is, I mean, it's horrendous.
00:43:02.280But there is also emotional and psychological pain that is very much horrendous itself.
00:43:09.960And so if we're saying that pain is a moral justification for euthanasia, then I just don't see how you do exclude those who are in emotional or psychological pain as well.
00:43:29.880Even if I thought that suicide could be morally acceptable sometimes, which I don't, but if I did, I still would never agree with enlisting doctors to kill patients under any circumstance.
00:43:43.020That is just the opposite of what a doctor is meant to do.
00:43:46.720And it creates this kind of Jekyll and Hyde scenario where a doctor is tasked with preserving life in one case and ending it in another.
00:43:58.900And I know that it's already like that with abortion, but we don't need to make it worse.
00:44:04.540The medical profession, the chief aim of the medical profession must always be to preserve life.
00:44:10.420If it's in the Hippocratic Oath, once its aim becomes preserving life or ending it, I think you have literally destroyed the medical profession and you have replaced it with something else.
00:44:22.600You have turned the medical profession into something other than the medical profession.
00:44:26.980And I think that's a very dangerous thing.
00:44:29.640So those are my reasons for opposing euthanasia.
00:44:32.400I guess I would also add a quick fourth reason, which is that I just kind of related to the third reason.
00:45:10.360There are, not to be crude about it, but there are at-home ways of doing it.
00:45:16.560So this whole idea that we need the medical establishment to work on the project of killing people, it just, it doesn't make any sense to me.
00:45:30.060You know, there are, in many states, there are laws against suicide.
00:45:34.340And I think that those laws are good because part of what those laws do is they allow, you know, if someone attempts suicide, they allow potentially, you know, the court system to send those people to, you know, to admit those people to mental, you know, institutions and that sort of thing.
00:45:58.900But, of course, at the end of the day, if someone actually succeeds in committing suicide, you can't punish them for it.
00:46:06.520And you also can't preemptively prevent someone from doing so unless they have announced their intention and then you can get them some help.
00:46:15.520But if someone is really intent on killing themselves, you can't really stop them.