The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 275 - How Feminism Harms Women

00:00:00.000 Today on the Matt Wall Show, Bernie Sanders says that people would be delighted to pay more in

00:00:04.840 taxes. I think that he's confused, as usual. Also, we'll talk about the ways that feminism 0.78

00:00:10.300 has backfired and started to harm women in sometimes very profound ways. Related to that,

00:00:19.320 we'll talk about the latest feminist outrage surrounding the U.S. women's soccer team.

00:00:24.000 Apparently, it's sexist to criticize the U.S. women's soccer team. If you didn't know,

00:00:27.180 you can't criticize them for any reason. It's sexist. So we'll talk about that today as well

00:00:31.560 on the Matt Wall Show. Well, Bernie Sanders just made one of the most delusional statements that

00:00:42.240 I think anyone has ever made in history. And I don't think I'm overselling it too much.

00:00:48.240 He was on Anderson Cooper last night, and then this happened. You know how the president's

00:00:53.280 going to paint your talk of democratic socialism besides Venezuela? Do enough Americans know what

00:01:02.460 you mean by that and what that actually looks like? Well, Anderson, that's why I'm on your show

00:01:07.800 tonight. That's why I'm asking you. Look, what we have to understand, for example, just for example,

00:01:14.840 the United States is the only major country on earth not to guarantee health care to all people

00:01:21.200 as they write. In many countries in Europe, Germany for one, you go to college and the cost

00:01:28.360 of college is zero. I think in Finland, they actually pay you to go to college. In most countries

00:01:34.740 around the world, the level of income and wealth inequality, which in the United States today is

00:01:39.960 worse than at any time since the 1920s with three families owning more wealth in the bottom half of

00:01:46.720 America. That level of income and wealth inequality is much less severe than it is right here in the

00:01:53.240 United States.

00:01:54.880 No, the taxes in many of those countries are much higher than they are in the individual personal

00:02:00.240 tax and much higher than they are in the United States.

00:02:02.260 But I suspect that a lot of people in this country would be delighted to pay more in taxes

00:02:06.380 if they had comprehensive health care as a human right.

00:02:12.440 He says people would be delighted, delighted to pay more in taxes. No, Bernie, see, no, that's not

00:02:19.760 the way it works. Nobody wants to pay more in taxes. Nobody does. Because, you know, anyone can pay

00:02:25.760 more in taxes. Anyone can pay more. If you could send whatever amount you want to the IRS on tax day,

00:02:31.580 well, any amount, as long as it's at least what you owe, owe in scare quotes. But beyond that,

00:02:38.860 I mean, if you want to add, if you want to send 20% more, 30% more than you owe, you you're free to

00:02:44.000 do that. They'll, they'll certainly take your money. Um, but so, which means that you, you can

00:02:50.940 basically enact on your own. Any citizen can enact a tax hike. Um, but it would just be a personal tax hike

00:02:59.100 that only you would be subjected to. Nobody does that. Why does anyone do that? Because

00:03:04.400 nobody wants to pay more in taxes. Now, I think this is where Bernie gets confused because you see

00:03:09.500 a lot of people are delighted by tax increases, but they're delighted to have other people pay more in

00:03:18.280 taxes. You see? So yeah, leftists do advocate higher taxes and they are delighted by higher taxes,

00:03:23.800 but, but only as long as those higher taxes are imposed on other people, not on them personally,

00:03:30.160 on other people. Now me, I don't like to see anyone pay more in taxes. I don't celebrate tax

00:03:35.920 hikes on anybody. Um, I'm in favor of tax cuts for everybody because I just think that, uh, on, 1.00

00:03:42.020 on principle, people should be able to keep more of their own money. And I also think that the

00:03:45.520 government has entirely too much money, uh, with which to, to, uh, waste already. But, um,

00:03:52.480 leftists do take a perverse pleasure in tax hikes, just as long as the bill goes to someone else.

00:03:59.140 See, that's the way that this works. That's, that's a fundamental misunderstanding. It's

00:04:04.140 every single, I mean, without fail, when you hear someone advocating for higher taxes and you sit

00:04:10.400 down and you listen to them for 10 seconds, you're going to realize that, Oh no, hold on a second.

00:04:13.920 Oh yeah. They want me to pay more. Not them. That's what they're saying. What they're at,

00:04:17.320 what they're saying is, um, yes, government go take from those people over there. Not from me.

00:04:23.380 Very selfless, very selfless indeed. All right. Now I want to, I want to, um, a lot I want to talk

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00:06:01.420 Okay. So as I said, um, as I said at the top there, I want to revisit something we talked about

00:06:09.780 yesterday briefly, because I think that, uh, there's a little bit more to be said about it.

00:06:16.320 We discussed yesterday, this new survey that was conducted, which shows that a majority of male

00:06:23.100 managers are uncomfortable working one-on-one with female subordinates. Um, CNBC originally reported 0.91

00:06:31.900 on this and they had other stats as well. Uh, senior level men say that they're 12 times more

00:06:37.420 likely to be hesitant about one-on-one meetings with a junior woman, nine times more likely to be

00:06:42.220 hesitant to travel with a junior woman. Uh, they're more likely to be hesitant to have a work dinner 0.63

00:06:47.780 with a, with a junior woman rather than a, you know, a subordinate man. Now, as we talked about

00:06:55.980 yesterday, this news has been met with predictable finger wagging by the finger waggers on the left.

00:07:02.220 Um, Sheryl Sandberg, the COO of Facebook, uh, she says that it's totally unacceptable for men to feel

00:07:09.780 uncomfortable at work, totally unacceptable. And of course the, if men are uncomfortable,

00:07:13.600 the real victims of that discomfort are you guessed it women. Um, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 1.00

00:07:19.720 uh, it was talking about this survey and, and she's, and she decided that the men in the survey,

00:07:25.200 uh, they're just having a quote hard time, not being quote creepy. That's, that's the way that

00:07:30.480 she sums it up. But I was, I was writing about this yesterday and I found this article in the Chicago

00:07:36.420 Tribune written by a woman named Heidi Stevens. And her article is what makes me bring this up again,

00:07:42.680 because she wrote something that just completely proves the point that she was trying to disprove.

00:07:50.640 It really is amazing. So she wrote this thing, which, which offers some, um, dismissive and

00:07:58.880 sarcastic pointers for men in the workplace. Uh, now it's sort of hard to take these pointers

00:08:05.220 seriously because she admits outright that she doesn't understand the issue. Uh, she, she says,

00:08:10.640 I'm confused about the root of these male managers discomfort. Do they not know how to interact

00:08:15.980 with women in a way that doesn't accidentally or overtly imply they'd like to sleep with them?

00:08:20.040 Or do they worry that me too has women going around willy nilly making up stories of harassment and

00:08:25.480 assaults that didn't happen and they can't risk, uh, being the subject of such stories? Well, yeah,

00:08:30.940 kind of, I mean, that is sort of what's happening, but she says that at the beginning of the,

00:08:36.020 well, I don't really understand it. So she doesn't understand, but despite her professed ignorance,

00:08:40.740 she plugs right along with some helpful pieces of advice. Uh, this is what she says with some

00:08:46.880 advice for everybody. Don't pleasure yourself into potted plants as Harvey Weinstein is alleged to

00:08:53.080 have done. Don't have a secret button that locks your office door behind people as Matt Lauer is

00:08:57.880 alleged alleged to have done. Don't send a bunch of gross, inappropriate texts to a direct report

00:09:02.700 as Kevin Quinn, a former staffer for house speaker, Michael Madigan is alleged to have done.

00:09:07.660 These are her, her pieces of advice. So don't fornicate with the flora. Um, don't have secret

00:09:12.460 locking mechanisms installed in your office. Easy enough, you know, by the latest count, only like

00:09:17.560 two or three men in the country have done either of those things. So it's, you know, sort of easy for

00:09:23.260 the rest of us not to do that, but here's where, and she's not done doling out advice. Here's where

00:09:29.180 she undercuts her whole case. She says, I just think this is so interesting because it, it,

00:09:34.500 it encapsulates the whole problem inadvertently. She says, treat your female colleagues and 1.00

00:09:43.540 subordinates the way you'd want to be treated by a male in power. Would you want him to tell you how

00:09:48.960 nice you look in that suit? Now again, this is talking to men. Okay. Would you want him to tell

00:09:54.580 you how nice you look in that suit? Would you want him to ask you if you're happy in your relationship?

00:09:58.380 Would you want him to rest his hand lightly on your shoulder when he talks? Talk to your female 1.00

00:10:03.420 colleagues and subordinates about the same topics you talk to your male colleagues and subordinates

00:10:07.380 about the NBA finals, their kids' summer day, summer break plans, the China tariffs, the weather,

00:10:13.360 your book club, why the break room coffee is so bad, the profit and loss report that's due later that

00:10:18.760 day. Okay. So that's her advice. Now, actually I have been told by men that I look good

00:10:28.340 in my suit that I'm wearing. And I have myself dispensed similar compliments to men.

00:10:35.300 There's nothing strange or inappropriate about that. It's a compliment. So she says, well,

00:10:40.960 you would never want a man to compliment your outfit. Well, sure I would. Why not?

00:10:45.140 If I'm wearing a great suit and a guy say, Hey man, nice suit. Looks great. I'm sure that that's,

00:10:52.680 that's, that's, I would be happy with that. Why wouldn't I be? Do you not think that men compliment

00:10:59.320 each other? It's, it's a really normal, see, this is someone who clearly just never just doesn't know

00:11:05.760 anything about men. And that's the, that's what you find with feminists is that they just know they, 1.00

00:11:11.500 now they make this claim about men in regards to women. They say, Oh, you're, you're, if you're, 0.77

00:11:16.440 especially if you're a male conservative, you don't know anything about women. No, it's actually

00:11:19.600 the reverse is true. You, you clearly know nothing about men. You're just nothing at all that you think

00:11:25.320 we would, what we would recoil in horror. Did you just compliment my suit? How dare you? Well,

00:11:31.400 I never, um, no, no man would react that way. You know what? If, if another man says, Hey,

00:11:36.640 great suit, you look great. I would say, Oh, cool. Thanks. That would be it. And then I would

00:11:41.820 move on. I would never think about it again. I would just move on with my life. Um, what I want

00:11:47.220 a guy asking me how my marriage is going. Well, uh, sure. Why not? You know, when I meet up with a guy

00:11:55.600 friend, I will definitely say to them, Hey, how are things going at home? How's the wife?

00:11:59.380 It's a normal thing to say. It's just, it's completely normal. Or if they're dating someone,

00:12:06.800 uh, they're not married, then you can be a little bit more specific about the asking about the

00:12:11.680 relationship. Like, Hey, are you still with that girl? How's that going? Um, it's, it's normal.

00:12:18.280 That's a normal thing to talk about. And so how would I feel if a man said that to me, I would feel

00:12:24.460 perfectly fine with it. I would say, Oh, things are going great. You know, the wife is doing well

00:12:29.560 and that's it. Um, would I want a guy resting his hand on my shoulder? No, I mean, not particularly

00:12:36.280 I wouldn't, but I wouldn't report it to HR either. Now I prefer to avoid physical contact with

00:12:42.280 everybody. Um, with the exception of my wife and my kids, like I, they're the only ones who I'm okay

00:12:49.760 with invading my personal space. Uh, everybody else, I, I, what I would like, what I would prefer

00:12:55.800 is if everybody respected a 30 foot radius of personal space for me at all times. That's what

00:13:00.900 I would just personally, I would like that. But, um, but I cannot say that I'm sexually harassed just

00:13:08.020 because people don't know that I have those personal space demands and therefore don't respect them

00:13:12.960 because they are, I understand that they are a little bit unreasonable. It's just personally,

00:13:16.960 that's what I would like. Um, and some people are more physical, you know, than others, maybe not

00:13:22.340 Joe Biden levels of physical, but, uh, but some people are just are more like that. I've got friends

00:13:27.620 that are more like, you know, pat you on the back and that kind of, some people are like that men and

00:13:32.080 women. We've all had conversations. I'll, I'll, I'll go out, um, to a speaking event or something,

00:13:36.240 and I'll be meeting people afterwards. And you always had these older women, you know, women who are 1.00

00:13:41.540 probably in their seventies who will come up and they'll, they'll grab your hand and, uh, they'll

00:13:47.680 just hold it for like 10 minutes while they're talking and kind of like lightly shaking it while

00:13:52.220 they talk to you. And, uh, for like 10 minutes, they're holding your hand. Now, am I a big fan

00:13:58.040 of that? Not really, but, but I mean, they're being friendly and it's kind of funny, you know,

00:14:02.640 it's just, they're, they're just sweet old ladies and this is what they do. It's not a big deal.

00:14:05.820 Right. And there are some older men who are like that as well. Uh, so how would I, so would I consider

00:14:12.140 that? Would I be scandalized by that? Would I, no, no, I wouldn't. And this is the point. She says,

00:14:18.000 she says, Oh, you would never treat guys like that. Uh, yes, I would. And then she proceeds to tell us

00:14:24.600 to treat women like we would treat guys. Yeah. But as I just explained, I would treat guys the way that

00:14:30.840 you claim we only treat women, but you say, don't treat women like that. So you see the confusion

00:14:37.180 here. It just doesn't work. There's a two mixed, mixed messages going on here. Um, I would compliment

00:14:44.160 a man on his outfit. If it's a nice outfit and he looks good in it. Um, you're saying don't say that

00:14:49.340 to women. So we should treat women differently is what you're saying. Now it's recommended that we 1.00

00:14:55.360 talk about the NBA finals instead, but wait a second, according to a BBC article that I just

00:15:01.700 pulled up sports lingo at work is quote, hidden sexism that quote reinforces the idea that work, 1.00

00:15:08.320 the workplace is, or should be a man cave with water coolers. Um, so now I imagine that the same

00:15:16.400 could be claimed about any attempt to talk politics or about the Chinese tariffs or whatever on the job

00:15:21.140 talk about their kids, summer Blake break plans. She, um, she recommends or book clubs. Well then

00:15:27.120 won't I be guilty of stereotypically assuming that the woman that I'm talking to, uh, has kids and is 0.97

00:15:34.140 interested in book clubs. Isn't that a stereotype? See, again, this is exactly the point. This is why

00:15:40.300 men are uncomfortable talking to women at work. And this is why feminism has hurt women by just by yes, 1.00

00:15:46.980 making it more difficult for them on the job because men are just freaked out now. And, and

00:15:52.680 they're not freaked out around men, but they are a little bit around women because of this kind of

00:15:56.260 stuff. The rules change from moment to moment and person to person. Anything can be sexist.

00:16:03.620 Anything can be construed as harassment. Maybe your female worker is like Heidi Stevens and would like 1.00

00:16:08.820 to talk about the NBA finals, but maybe she's more inclined to see talk of sports at the workplace

00:16:13.560 as sexism that reinforces a male centric environment. We have no way of knowing it could

00:16:19.320 go either way. That's, that's the kind of conversation that if you, I could talk, I could

00:16:24.180 bring that up to a man. It's no problem. I don't have to worry about anything, right? Um, more than,

00:16:28.520 more than likely he'll want to engage in that conversation. Maybe he's not interested in it

00:16:32.480 and then fine, whatever you move on, you talk about something else. Um, but you bring it up to a woman

00:16:37.460 and there's a chance that she'll think that it's sexist because there have been articles written

00:16:43.700 explaining why it's sexist. We have no way of knowing. And it's clear that the woman isn't 0.99

00:16:49.780 necessarily going to speak up. Okay. So she may suffer through the sexist conversational assault 0.98

00:16:55.240 silently seething about it. Um, because we failed to read her mind and then later on use the incident

00:17:02.120 to get us fired or worse. That's the way it could go. It's not going to go that way with a man.

00:17:07.120 We know that, which means we're probably going to be more inclined to just bring that conversation

00:17:12.180 up to a man. Here's the other thing about men that you need to understand. Um, I think, well,

00:17:16.660 just like any other, like, like humans in general, we don't like to risk our jobs. We don't like to

00:17:21.420 risk false accusations. Uh, we also just, you know, we're, we're not a big fan of games and BS. We just,

00:17:29.060 we just don't want to be bothered with stuff like that. So it, you know, we're kind of just like,

00:17:36.460 it's very practical minded. So we're thinking like, okay, I want to talk about sports at work.

00:17:40.480 It's like, why am I going to bother when it's this whole minefield? I don't even,

00:17:44.780 why am I going to bother even trying to navigate that? There's no point. I'll just go talk to a

00:17:48.600 guy about it or I won't talk about it at all. Um, the me too movement and feminism in general 0.98

00:17:54.700 have made a few things clear. Number one, literally anything can be sexist.

00:17:59.760 It all depends on the feelings of the woman. Number two, women are not expected to speak up 1.00

00:18:05.740 and let you know that they're uncomfortable. In my opinion, they should be expected to do that.

00:18:10.660 Just like any person should be. If you're uncomfortable, say something as an adult,

00:18:15.500 as a grownup, it's your responsibility to say something. I mean, it's like you hear these

00:18:21.200 stories about Louis CK and how he, you know, I mean, disgusting how he pleasured himself in front of 0.76

00:18:26.600 women. Well, uh, now of course, obviously doing that on the job is completely inappropriate or 1.00

00:18:32.340 doing that at any, anywhere, in any context, completely inappropriate and disgusting and 0.84

00:18:35.680 wrong and creepy and perverse and degenerate. But, um, when it comes to speaking up, you know,

00:18:42.400 in every case, apparently he would ask these women, Hey, do you mind if I, and they would just say,

00:18:48.880 Oh, sure. Meanwhile, in their head, they're uncomfortable, but it's like, well, of course you're

00:18:53.760 uncomfortable, but say something, say, you're not, don't, don't say yes when you don't mean it.

00:18:59.140 Just, just say, leave, right? Say something and leave if you're uncomfortable. I think we can

00:19:04.580 expect people to do that. We all, man or woman, we all have to do that. And that's especially the

00:19:12.700 case, you know, you take something that's a lot less severe and gross than that. Just take a

00:19:17.300 conversation. Let's say that's making you uncomfortable. Um, well then definitely in

00:19:23.320 that case, if you're uncomfortable with the, leave the room, you don't have to, you could just say

00:19:29.500 nothing and leave. That's an option or speak up and say, you know, I don't think we should be talking

00:19:33.520 about this. Um, I think we can expect everyone, man or woman to, to speak up, to be adults,

00:19:42.700 to take charge of the situation, to make your own thoughts known because you can't expect anyone to

00:19:49.740 read your mind. Um, but that's how we know from the Me Too movement that, you know, we can't expect

00:19:54.480 that. And, and, um, and then number three, we know, believe women. So the women's version of events 0.58

00:20:00.640 will be believed, must be believed. And the only thing the male offender is allowed to do is grovel

00:20:05.740 and apologize. So is it really so surprising that men in this environment with the rules set up the

00:20:13.020 way they are, may be wary about interacting with women, especially when nobody else is present to

00:20:19.500 witness it. Um, so perhaps, you know, we should stop and think about that and think about the damage

00:20:31.280 that it's doing, not just to men, um, but to women as well, because there are a lot of, of normal,

00:20:42.140 non-feminist, non-crazy women out there who are not looking to entrap men or trick men or, you know, 1.00

00:20:50.740 get men into trouble, make things up, who are the kinds of people who won't be offended by a

00:20:57.280 conversation about sports or whatever, even if they're not interested in it, uh, who won't be

00:21:01.780 offended if you compliment them. There are plenty of women like that, plenty, the majority, you know, 1.00

00:21:05.780 are like that. But, uh, because of crazy feminists, you know, men don't know necessarily, unless they 1.00

00:21:17.660 know a woman well already, they don't know if they don't know where the woman falls on that spectrum. 0.87

00:21:21.700 And so unfortunately, a lot of women get lumped in with that just as a precautionary measure. 1.00

00:21:29.280 Men are going to say, well, she might not be a crazy feminist, but I don't know. So I, I guess 0.93

00:21:35.360 I just have to act as though she is just from, from my own self-preservation. And that's not fair

00:21:41.300 to those women, but whose fault is it? It's the fault of the crazy feminists. It's not the fault of 1.00

00:21:47.900 the men. The men are just, again, they're just self-preservation. They're just, they've got,

00:21:52.480 you've got to be prudent. It's not worth risking your job or your livelihood, your life over.

00:21:58.160 All right. Um, so I thought that was, uh, interesting staying in the vein of feminism for a minute. 1.00

00:22:04.780 Um, the women's U S soccer team beat the 34th ranked Thailand team a couple of days ago by 13 to nothing.

00:22:17.900 Uh, and Kristen is a couple of things that stemmed from this victory that are sort of annoying and 0.99

00:22:24.600 stupid. First of all, Kristen Gillibrand had this to say in a tweet. She says, here's an idea. If you 0.99

00:22:29.400 win 13 to nothing, the most goals for a single game in world cup history, you should be paid at least

00:22:34.520 equally to the men's team. Now, she's not the only one to say this. Of course, I've heard this

00:22:39.260 elsewhere. Uh, the women's soccer team is running rough shot over low ranked opponents. And this proves

00:22:44.980 that they should be paid the same as the men's team because they're just as good, I guess.

00:22:49.620 And they are great athletes. And there's no question that they're better at soccer than me.

00:22:53.100 Uh, if it was me and, and, uh, you know, and guys like me versus the women's, um, world cup team,

00:23:00.480 I have no doubt that they would win handily against us. Uh, but that's because I don't play soccer

00:23:06.020 because I prefer to play sports personally, but in any case, uh, yes, they would beat me. I'll admit

00:23:11.140 that. But at the same time, I can't help, but note that this women's team did lose a couple of years

00:23:18.120 ago to a team of under 15 high school boys in a scrimmage. It's not funny. I I'm sorry. I don't

00:23:24.600 mean to laugh. Um, they, they did lose to, uh, to, to teenage boys in a scrimmage. That's true. You

00:23:31.360 can look that up, Google that one that did happen. My only point bringing that up. Okay. Is, is,

00:23:37.060 is no disrespect. It's just to point out for all the people that are, you know, talking now about

00:23:42.800 pay disparity. Why aren't they paid the same? You see how good they are. You know, I, I, I'm just

00:23:49.400 trying to point out the vast gulf that separates male athletes from female athletes. I mean, it's

00:23:55.940 just, they're like in two different universes. I mean, um, and that's why male athletes generally

00:24:02.260 get paid more. And that's why there's generally more interest in men's sports because the athletes

00:24:07.680 are just a lot better. Um, and they're just, and they're more fun to watch now, not in every sport,

00:24:13.340 something like gymnastics, for instance. Um, you know, I think it's, uh, because the, just the

00:24:20.960 physiology of men versus women. Um, I think women can oftentimes be more gifted, uh, in, in that area,

00:24:29.520 more graceful and everything. Um, but in these other kinds of sports, especially these team sort

00:24:35.780 of sports, it's different. The men are just a lot more fun to watch because they're just so much

00:24:41.080 better. Um, and, and that's fine. Men are allowed to be better than women. It's okay to acknowledge

00:24:46.720 that. It's okay to acknowledge it because it's true. Why is it that the NBA gets great ratings while

00:24:52.800 nobody watches the WNBA, the WNBA? I don't know. Is the WNBA even still on? I don't even know.

00:24:58.420 Um, well, it's because NBA athletes are some of the best athletes in the world.

00:25:04.420 They are so ridiculously good and it's amazing to watch what they can do on the court. And that's

00:25:11.380 why people watch the NBA, a WNBA team on the other hand would easily lose to an above average high

00:25:17.300 school boys team. Uh, and probably, and it wouldn't even be close just like the soccer players, just

00:25:23.540 like with the soccer situation. That again is how vast the divide is between the two skill levels.

00:25:28.300 And that's fine. It's nothing to panic over. Men are men and women are women. Um, and there's no

00:25:34.220 sexism in that. There's also no sexism in the criticisms that the women's team, uh, has faced

00:25:45.720 for excessive celebrating. Okay. While the women's team was trouncing the 34th rank,

00:25:52.000 there was a 34th ranked Thailand team. Uh, and they built an insurmountable lead. They still 0.56

00:25:56.640 celebrated every goal. Like it was the game winner and they were running around the field and pumping

00:26:00.740 their fist and doing all this stuff. Um, and some people have argued that it was poor sportsmanship on

00:26:07.540 their part, you know, to, to be, to be gloating over your 10th goal in a soccer match. Um, it is match

00:26:15.600 soccer match, right? Not soccer game. I don't know this, this, the soccer sporting competition,

00:26:21.360 uh, to be gloating over it is, you know, it's just, it's not good sportsmanship. It's, it's,

00:26:27.100 it's kind of lame. And, uh, it just, it makes you look a Bush league. It makes it look like amateur

00:26:32.960 hour really. And that's the criticism anyway, that some people have, have articulated. Here's a,

00:26:37.900 here's a, just to kind of explain it. Here's a CBS report that summarizes the controversy.

00:26:43.280 The U S women's blowout win yesterday at the world cup did not come without controversy.

00:26:49.420 Some are saying they showed poor sportsmanship by celebrating after every one of their 13 goals.

00:26:57.080 Roxanna Saberi reports from Paris. As team USA's players piled on goal after goal last night,

00:27:05.620 it's loose. Setting a world cup record, their parents beamed.

00:27:11.760 Our little girls scored. Their fans cheered.

00:27:14.840 USA! USA!

00:27:17.080 And Thailand wept, stirring the sympathy of spectators like Kaylee Ferreira of Phoenix.

00:27:22.700 Did you guys feel bad for the tie at least a little bit?

00:27:25.880 Yeah. Cause it was a really bad loss for them.

00:27:28.840 Yeah.

00:27:29.340 So bad. U S coach Jill Ellis had to field questions about whether the best team in the

00:27:34.060 world should have gotten easier on a team ranked 34th.

00:27:37.220 I sit here and I go, if this is 10 nil in a men's world cup, are we getting the same questions

00:27:41.680 to be quite honest?

00:27:42.680 But it was the way that team USA celebrated each of its 13 goals that sparked much more criticism.

00:27:49.180 Even former teammate Hope Solo called some of the celebrations a little overboard.

00:27:54.360 Co-captain Megan Rapinoe defended her team.

00:27:57.360 They can come at us cause I think our only crime was an explosion of joy last night.

00:28:01.860 She's got it.

00:28:02.860 Some U S players say what last night's game really showed is that other countries need

00:28:07.660 to invest more in women's soccer. And they urged players like Thailand's Miranda Nild not to feel defeated.

00:28:14.700 I told her that it's a dream of all of ours to play in a world cup.

00:28:18.780 And, um, to stay encouraged team USA's next game is on Sunday against Chile, which is ranked

00:28:25.820 39th in the world. Roxanna Saberi, CBS news, Paris.

00:28:31.500 So you heard what the, I think it was the head coach said there. Oh, well, the men's team wouldn't

00:28:35.980 be criticized like this. And this is something that's been echoed by the media. Uh, the soccer

00:28:39.900 team was criticized both for running up the score and trying aggressively to score more goals,

00:28:45.340 even when there are only a few minutes left. Um, and then, and then also they celebrating so much,

00:28:50.380 but it's, it's, we're told that that's, it's sexist to, to criticize them for that. Uh, these

00:28:55.260 are sexist criticisms because men are never criticized that way. As the story goes, Casey

00:29:00.220 hunt and NBC reporter sent out a tweet said, don't celebrate too much. Bros said no one ever.

00:29:07.340 And then a bunch of think, think pieces have been written about this issue, um, about the sexism

00:29:11.260 of criticizing female athletes, including this one from pop sugar, which is of course, a great, 0.98

00:29:16.300 great publication, any publication called pop sugar, you know, you're going to find great content,

00:29:20.300 very, very intelligent content. Um, they have an article titled why criticism of the U S women's

00:29:25.580 soccer team is sexist. So very straightforward. I appreciate that. And then the article says,

00:29:30.140 in part, um, the women's, uh, soccer team in a thrilling first game of the 2019 women's world

00:29:37.420 cup, uh, one with a record breaking 13 to zero score. First of all, that's not a thrilling game.

00:29:42.460 In a thrilling game, they won 13 to nothing. Uh, it's not thrilling. That's the opposite of

00:29:47.420 thrilling. That's that's a blowout. And you know, it's, I mean, it's thrilling if you're a fan of the

00:29:51.500 team, I guess, but it's not really a thrilling game in general. Um, but she says, but unsurprising in

00:29:56.220 the context of heedless sexist double standards in the world of sports, the players were almost

00:30:00.860 immediately criticized for their resounding victory shortly after the game, predominantly male

00:30:06.380 commentators and Twitter users questioned why the one, yes, I'm sure they went through and they

00:30:10.860 looked at all the criticisms on Twitter and they, they, they, they counted them all by sex and

00:30:15.740 discovered that it was predominantly male, right? Okay. Um, predominantly male commentators and Twitter

00:30:21.420 users questioned why the team ran up the score to 13 to zero, despite the fact that in the,

00:30:26.060 the event of a tie during the world turned to group stage of the world cup, the team with the

00:30:29.980 highest goal differential would advance to the knockout round. The players were also criticized

00:30:33.980 for continuing to celebrate their goals, uh, throughout those 90 minutes to play suggesting

00:30:38.300 this reflected poor sportsmanship. Um, in contrast, similar criticisms have yet to be lodged against

00:30:46.140 men's athletic teams for ruthless high margin victories and repeated celebrations. The 1992 U S men's

00:30:52.300 basketball team defeated opponents by an average of 44 points during the Olympic games. And it's

00:30:56.620 still affectionately known as the dream team, the annual NFL, uh, the annual NFL honors ceremony

00:31:02.220 includes a category for celebration of the year. Uh, it's a gendered backlash against the women's team

00:31:08.780 is even more frustrating and notable considering the players have been a goblah, blah, blah, blah, blah, 0.97

00:31:11.980 blah, blah. Okay. I can't even get tired. So I'm going to throw up if I keep reading that.

00:31:15.300 Uh, this of course is just grade a pure unadulterated nonsense. It is completely untrue, completely 0.59

00:31:25.100 false, totally, completely, utterly ridiculous. It shows yet again, the theme of the show, how feminists 1.00

00:31:31.820 don't understand men and know nothing about men at all. Um, no, nothing about men's sports have no idea

00:31:40.100 what they're talking about on any subject. Male athletes are criticized all the time for excessive

00:31:47.100 celebration and for running up the score and all that. The dream team was criticized for running

00:31:53.260 up the score. They're called the dream team because they were so insanely talented. These were some of

00:31:59.280 the best basketball players that had ever lived on the planet that were on one team. That's why they

00:32:06.480 were the dream team. Now the U S women's soccer team, I know these are very good athletes. This is

00:32:10.440 not a collection of the best soccer players ever to live. So that's why they're not the dream team.

00:32:16.300 Okay. Um, a collection of the best soccer players ever to live will be all men's players. That's how 0.80

00:32:21.880 you know that that's, that this isn't the dream team. Now this was the, these were the best basketball

00:32:25.320 players ever. Uh, you know, some of them. And, uh, that's why they were called the dream team,

00:32:31.860 but they were, yeah, they scored by average of 44 to 44 points or whatever. They were criticized for

00:32:37.860 that. They were, um, the two set, the 2007 Patriots who went undefeated, but finally lost in the Super

00:32:44.560 Bowl and we're beating teams by like 55 to three, these crazy scores running up the score. They were

00:32:51.380 criticized for that constant. It was, it was a never ending topic of conversation in 2007 about how

00:32:58.440 the Patriots are bad sportsmen and running up the scores. It was, it was an ongoing debate on ESPN

00:33:05.920 and among football fans and commentators. Um, in fact, as for celebrating, you know, up until

00:33:13.480 recently, you weren't allowed to celebrate at all in the NFL. And now they do allow some celebration,

00:33:18.480 but I think you can still be penalized for it. You can be fined for it. If you go to,

00:33:21.880 for there are certain things you're not allowed to do in the course of a celebration.

00:33:24.540 One of the oldest cliches in sports is act like you've been there before. And when you're, that's

00:33:32.380 just, it's something that you hear. If you watch men playing in the NFL, if you watch men playing in

00:33:37.220 the NBA, if you watch men playing in the MLB, you're going to hear this cliche, act like you've

00:33:41.920 been there before. And what that's always targeted at a man who's, you know, uh, you know,

00:33:47.320 made a basket, scored a touchdown, got a home run, and then freaks out about it. It acts like it's

00:33:53.280 the first time he's ever scored a point in his career as a professional athlete. And then people

00:33:58.040 will say, act like you've been there, but be professional, you know, act the, the cool thing

00:34:02.200 is to act like you've done it a million times and it's no big deal, right? You score the touchdown,

00:34:06.780 just like casually hand the ball to the ref and then walk off the field. Now that's bad-ass that

00:34:12.300 that's a power move right there. Um, so this is a constant conversation. So when women are criticized 1.00

00:34:17.720 for it, they are being treated exactly like the men, exactly like they say they want to be treated.

00:34:24.120 But yet again, what we find is that when women are treated like men, feminists complain. And when 0.74

00:34:29.880 they're not treated like men, feminists complain. Uh, it's so it's, it's bogus. And you know what? 0.94

00:34:35.840 Yes, it is lame to go running. I mean, you saw some of that stuff to go running frantically around the

00:34:41.640 field, pumping your fists and gloating after you scored the 10th time against a team that isn't even

00:34:46.820 ranked in the top 30. Yeah, that's, that's lame. It's kind of stupid. It makes you look,

00:34:51.860 it, it, it, it makes you look like an amateur. Um, it just does. If, if Tom Brady ran around the

00:34:59.780 field, screaming triumphantly after scoring his sixth touchdown against the Buffalo Bills to go up 53 to

00:35:05.580 seven, you're damn right. People would criticize him for that. They would say you're Tom Brady. What

00:35:09.740 are you freaking out about this? You, what you scored a, uh, you got a, you threw a touchdown against the

00:35:13.740 bills. You're freaking out. Come on. But he does do stuff like that. And he has, and he is criticized

00:35:19.220 for it all the time. It's one of the main things Tom Brady's criticized for. Act like you've been

00:35:24.160 there before. Be professional, be cool. It's, it's a, it's a normal thing. Um, in the NFL, if you're up,

00:35:31.440 you know, if you're up by two or more scores and you have the ball with two or three minutes left in

00:35:36.320 the game and the other team doesn't have any timeouts, it's customary to take a knee and not even try to run

00:35:41.260 to play and just run and just let the, let the game end. That's what you're kind of supposed to do

00:35:46.460 by the customs of the game. If you're in that situation as the winning team and you take shots

00:35:51.540 at the end, you start throwing hair, Hail Marys to the end zone. Yes. You're going to be criticized

00:35:55.980 for that severely because people are going to say, Oh, you're just, you're trying to pad your stats

00:36:00.740 against the team that is you already beat essentially. Um, so now my own personal opinion is that, um,

00:36:11.260 you know, I, I generally don't mind the celebrations. I, I think if people get pumped up in sports and

00:36:17.940 they get excited and that's great, it is a game. You're supposed to have fun in the NFL. I like

00:36:23.100 some of the more creative touchdown celebrations you see them do now. I think it's just, it's,

00:36:27.040 it's a, cause it's a game at the end of the day, it's still a game. So that's fine, but it can get to

00:36:32.260 a point where it's overboard. And if you're, if you're decimating a team, especially if you're

00:36:37.400 decimating a team that you're supposed to beat, if it's a team that you're decimating that you're 0.98

00:36:42.740 supposed to decimate, yeah, then celebrate and overly celebrating just makes you look foolish 0.99

00:36:49.180 in my opinion. Um, now if you're doing, if you're the underdog doing that to the team that was 0.97

00:36:54.980 supposed to beat you, maybe, maybe there's more of a reason there, but as the favorite, um,

00:37:01.820 I would, I would agree with the criticism, but there's nothing gendered about it. All right. Um, 0.91

00:37:12.220 let's go to, to emails, mattwalshowatgmail.com, mattwalshowatgmail.com.

00:37:17.900 This one is from Victoria says, hi Matt, my name's Victoria, big fan of the show. Last year,

00:37:23.160 a film called Boy Erased released, which is a biography about a young man who went to a Baptist

00:37:29.160 gay conversion camp. This film was adapted by a, uh, from a memoir has won many accolades.

00:37:35.180 I was raised Christian and have been a Christian for most of my life. I've never even heard of this

00:37:39.000 sort of thing. I was wondering if you have, and what are your opinions of them? And are they common

00:37:43.480 somewhere in the U S they seem creepy and just wrong to me if they do indeed still exist. Keep up

00:37:48.000 the great work. Hi Victoria. I've only ever heard of the gay conversion camps and gay conversion therapy,

00:37:52.900 all that stuff. I've only ever heard about that from people railing against it. Um, like you,

00:37:59.000 I, I have never heard of, I had never heard of such a thing until the left started fear mongering about

00:38:05.280 it. I'm not saying it doesn't exist or it didn't exist at some point. Um, but it's certainly not

00:38:10.600 nearly as widespread as it's presented and not nearly widespread enough to justify all the panicking

00:38:18.560 that people do about it. You know, the other thing about this gay conversion stuff is that, 1.00

00:38:22.700 um, I think sometimes, um, sometimes you'll have totally normal Christian counseling that maybe

00:38:33.680 can be rebranded with that nefarious sounding label. So as far as actual camps where gay kids are sent

00:38:41.860 against their will is creepy kind of reprogramming that goes on and, you know, electroshock therapy,

00:38:47.400 all that kind of stuff. Again, I'm not saying that stuff didn't happen in the past, but I've in

00:38:53.880 current day America, I've never heard of that. I, and I've been a Christian for 32 years. I've never

00:38:58.620 heard of it, never encountered it, just never. Um, but I think you could have, for instance, a person

00:39:08.740 who's struggling with homosexual thoughts or urges, um, doesn't want those thoughts and seeks 0.62

00:39:17.220 counseling from a pastor or a Christian counselor because they don't want those feelings. And then

00:39:23.740 they receive counseling. And then I guess probably that's going to be labeled gay conversion therapy,

00:39:29.400 but it's not as though this was a gay person abducted off the street and brought in a bus to a

00:39:36.120 camp somewhere. Okay. Um, this is someone who sought counseling and received it. It was totally

00:39:43.700 of their own volition. So if that's what gay conversion is, then if it's that meaning just 0.54

00:39:51.280 someone who goes and seeks counseling of their own free will and volition, because they're struggling

00:39:56.120 with something that they don't want to struggle with. Uh, if that's what we call gay conversion 0.64

00:40:01.460 therapy, then I don't see a problem with it. But I think to label it that way is disingenuous.

00:40:08.420 The stuff that you're talking about. Yeah. I, it, I don't think that that's a widespread phenomenon.

00:40:14.360 I'll put it that way. All right. This is from Don, um, says, man, I myself, I'm not a huge fan of

00:40:21.260 parades. I agree that it's a glorified traffic jam, but I think you neglected a major issue with your own

00:40:26.020 personal faith. The Pope, every time he goes out in public is basically parading around Catholicism.

00:40:31.100 In fact, you may even call it a celibacy parade. Thousands flock the streets causing major traffic

00:40:35.860 delays for miles around. I demand you recant your parade hypocrisy. I think a celibacy parade actually 0.97

00:40:41.360 might be a great idea. Um, maybe that's the way to counteract all this, all these other

00:40:45.760 sexually oriented parades you find out there, but I won't recant Don because actually, uh, I, you know,

00:40:54.540 I know you're half kidding, but I'm not a big fan of the kind of hysteria and, and, and pageantry

00:41:00.640 that surrounds the Pope. Uh, I'm a Catholic, but I don't worship the Pope. No Catholic does. Okay.

00:41:07.260 Let's be clear about that. No Catholic worships the Pope. He's just a man. He's not God. We all know

00:41:11.120 that. Um, yet sometimes the pageantry around him, the way we treat the papacy can give the wrong

00:41:19.800 impression. And I think Catholics, Catholics need to acknowledge that and understand that.

00:41:24.540 It does sometimes come off the wrong way. Um, and sometimes it can approach something like

00:41:35.580 worship, but in the same sense that we might talk about celebrity worship. So that's the kind of

00:41:42.140 worship that we're talking about. Someone who freaks out because they see, I don't know, Lady Gaga,

00:41:46.680 uh, you know, walking down the street. Okay. Well, that person isn't literally worshiping Lady Gaga

00:41:53.220 as a God. This isn't someone who actually thinks that Lady Gaga has supernatural capabilities. 1.00

00:41:59.700 Um, but they treat her as something other than just another human. And they, they, they heap way too 0.88

00:42:06.420 much adulation and admiration upon her personally, just because they like her, you know, her songs and,

00:42:14.900 and they're impressed with her celebrity. So with the Pope, uh, I think you can find

00:42:19.860 something like that sometimes with some people, just as with the president, um, there can be something

00:42:25.940 like that. And I'm not a fan of it in those cases either. I'm not a fan of it in any case. Um,

00:42:31.860 and I think with the Pope in particular, I think it could be, uh, a good thing maybe to, um,

00:42:45.940 maybe to pull back on, on, on some of that, some of that pageantry. All right. This is,

00:42:53.300 let's see. Do we have another one? I thought we had another. Okay. Well, this one is from Nick.

00:43:00.580 Uh, another Catholic question says, I'm Catholic. I was recently reading about several miracles,

00:43:04.520 including the Shroud of Turin, the Tilma of Our Lady of Guadalupe. Uh, I understand that the church

00:43:10.220 runs miraculous claims through the gauntlet to ensure their validity. Many scientists and experts

00:43:14.600 who are atheists are tasked with finding natural explanations for the events in question. If there's

00:43:19.400 any doubt, the church dismisses the claim. What are your thoughts on these and other miracles?

00:43:23.300 Do you believe in them? What role, if any, um, do you think they should play in our faith? And do

00:43:29.000 you think they can be used as a means of evangelization? While they are by no means the

00:43:33.320 basis of my faith, I do sometimes fall back on them when I begin to doubt the existence of God.

00:43:38.200 I really appreciate you getting to my question. Hope your leg is getting better by the day.

00:43:41.800 Uh, Nick, I treat miracle claims on a case by case basis. Uh, I, which I think is what we all should

00:43:48.960 do. You know, you look into them personally, decide if you are inclined to believe

00:43:53.180 that they're supernatural or not. Uh, I think that's what we all should do. We shouldn't believe

00:43:58.880 a miracle claim just because someone claims it. Obviously, if we did that, then we'd have to

00:44:03.080 believe every single miracle claim that anyone ever makes and not just miracle. We'd have to believe

00:44:07.500 everything everyone tells us. And we clearly, we don't do that. So, um, the fact that someone said

00:44:14.900 something is not enough reason to believe that it's true most of the time, especially when it's

00:44:21.560 something like a miracle. Now, if your wife walks into the room and says, Hey, it's raining outside.

00:44:25.840 Well, okay. Well that the fact that your wife said it's raining is probably enough reason to

00:44:29.100 believe that it's raining because raining, raining rain is something that happens on a daily basis.

00:44:33.240 It's completely normal. You trust your wife, you know her, there's no conceivable reason why she'd

00:44:38.480 lie about it. So yeah, you'll just take that on faith as it were, but a miracle claim, you know,

00:44:44.740 someone you don't even know says, Oh, you know, Jesus appeared to me or, Oh, this or that happened.

00:44:48.440 Um, well, we know that those are not daily occurrences. We don't know anything about this

00:44:53.620 person personally. So we don't know about their trustworthiness. And we know that these are the

00:44:58.540 kinds of stories that people are willing to make up. And there are plenty of reasons why a person

00:45:02.200 might make them up. So with all that in mind, then we, I think we have to look specifically at it,

00:45:07.640 look at the evidence and, uh, draw our conclusions from there. So, uh, a couple of examples you,

00:45:14.120 you get, I'm inclined to believe the shroud of Turin as being authentic because it's been subjected to

00:45:21.700 numerous scientific studies through the years. It's, it's validity has not been disproven.

00:45:26.280 And I know that failure to disprove something is not the same thing as proving the affirmative of

00:45:31.020 that thing. Um, but the fact that the shroud is basically a photographic negative of, you know,

00:45:38.960 an image of a, of a, of a man who's suspiciously wounded, just like Jesus was wounded as it is told

00:45:46.200 in the gospels. Um, and, and that's still, nobody has been able to explain how a thousand years ago

00:45:54.300 or even 500 years ago, someone could have produced an image like this. Well, that kind of cinches it for

00:46:01.880 me. So yeah, I, I believe it. I believe the shroud. Um, and there probably is an element of just sort

00:46:11.520 of intuition with some of these things, because I think there's a lot of evidence, but I also just,

00:46:19.640 I think beyond that, I just say, you know, I guess we, we might say it's the, it's the Holy Spirit

00:46:25.860 as well, guiding us on that. As for, um, our lady of Guadalupe, the Tilma, I am skeptical there for

00:46:34.020 those who aren't familiar with that story. As the story goes, uh, Mary, the blessed mother appeared

00:46:38.720 to a guy named Juan Diego in the 15th century in Mexico. Um, and there's a whole story there that

00:46:44.640 I'm not going to get into it cause I don't have time, but there's now a cloak essentially with an

00:46:50.260 image of Christ's mother. Um, and supposedly it appeared miraculously. Okay. Um, that's the

00:46:59.100 really bare bones story there, but I'm skeptical because I can see the image, right? You know,

00:47:04.640 you can go, you can look at the image. You could go online and look it up, uh, the Tilma and you'll

00:47:07.860 see it. And when you look at the image, it looks like a painting. It doesn't look miraculous at all.

00:47:14.380 In my opinion, it just looks like something that someone could have paid. It looks like something

00:47:18.120 that almost anyone could have painted. Um, and I don't see why a miraculous image would look like

00:47:27.220 a rather basic painting, right? Like if, if God is, uh, if, if through super, if, if through divine

00:47:33.560 intervention, um, an image is going to appear on a surface somewhere, why would it look like a

00:47:41.760 painting? You know, the, the shroud of turn does not look like a painting. That's the, if the shroud of

00:47:47.800 turn just looked like a painting, then I would say it's probably a painting, but it doesn't,

00:47:52.380 it looks like a photograph of someone. And so that's what makes you stop and go, how did that

00:47:58.120 get there? It doesn't look like some, something someone would have painted, especially not,

00:48:02.100 you know, centuries ago. But with the Tilma, you look at it and there's, if no one told you the

00:48:09.680 whole story behind it, you would look at it and say, oh, okay, yeah, it's just someone painted

00:48:13.000 that. So, you know, I just, I don't see any compelling reason to believe that it's more

00:48:21.120 than a painting other than the fact that I would like to believe that it's more than a

00:48:24.900 painting. But the fact that I would like to believe it isn't a reason at all. Um, so that's,

00:48:34.900 that's how I would parse it. I could be wrong about one or both of them. Who knows? You know,

00:48:39.300 I don't know, just, these are my own opinions. Um, but I, I tend with any miracle claim,

00:48:46.600 I think my first reaction is skepticism in that. Okay. Well, that's, it's a, that's an incredible

00:48:54.860 story. It's literally incredible. And oftentimes incredible stories aren't true, but I'm all ears.

00:49:00.180 I'm not going to rule it out. Obviously we can't rule out the miraculous. So bring me the evidence

00:49:04.740 and I'll look at it. And if I see compelling evidence, I'll, I'll probably believe it. Um,

00:49:08.320 with the Telma, I just haven't, I haven't seen compelling evidence, uh, other, other than just

00:49:14.140 a lot of people through the centuries have believed it, but that's, that's not evidence of anything.

00:49:19.040 People believe wrong things all the time, especially if they want to believe it because

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The Matt Walsh Show - June 13, 2019

Ep. 275 - How Feminism Harms Women

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