Ep. 282 - Did Ilhan Omar Marry Her Brother?
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Rep. Ilhan Omar stands accused of marrying her brother in order to skirt our immigration laws. Are the claims true? Well, there s plenty of smoke. Is there a fire? I don t know. We ll look at this case today, and it s very complicated, very weird, but it s important. Also, we'll look at something else: President Trump is accused again of sexual assault, and I think there s reason to be skeptical of this accusation. There s some things about it that don t make a lot of sense, but we ll talk about that today, also on the Matt Wells Show.
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Today on the Matt Wells Show, Representative Ilhan Omar stands accused of marrying her brother
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in order to skirt our immigration laws. Are the claims true? Well, there's plenty of smoke.
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Is there a fire? I don't know, but we'll look at the evidence. We'll look at this case today.
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It's very complicated, very weird, but it's important. So we'll talk about that today.
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Also, we'll look at something else. President Trump is accused again of sexual assault,
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and I think that there's reason to be skeptical of this accusation. There are some things about it
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that don't make a lot of sense, but we'll talk about that today also on the Matt Wells Show.
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All right, I hope you all had a great weekend. My weekend was pretty good, though I did make a
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mistake that I feel like I should tell you about, kind of a cautionary tale. I told my kids, the twins,
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who are kindergarten age, that they could watch the movie King Kong over the weekend. Not the
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really old ones, but the one from 2005 directed by Peter Jackson. I saw it when it first came out,
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but that was like 15 years ago almost, so it's been a long time. My memory of the movie is that
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it was kind of a family adventure, family-friendly, nice little safe flick that kids of all ages could
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enjoy. That's my memory of it when I saw it 15 years ago. So the point is that I vouched for it
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with my wife. I told my kids I could watch King Kong. They were super excited, and then my wife
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said, I don't know about that. Is that appropriate? I said, it's fine. Don't worry about it. I saw it.
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No big deal. It's fine. I guess it'd been so long that I forgot how scary and violent it is in certain
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parts, and much more than I remembered, and it looked like the kids were being slightly traumatized
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by some of the scenes. So I was fast. I was Johnny on the spot with the fast forward button, making
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sure to get through the scarier parts so that they were still watching them, but just faster.
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So I figured that's not as bad. Anyway, I fast forwarded most of the bad parts, except I forgot
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about a part, because it happens very quickly towards the end, where King Kong bites off a
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guy's head, almost like an old-fashioned grenade. He bites off the head, spits the head out, throws
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the body. I forgot that that happened. It didn't register on me at the time, and I wasn't able to
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fast forward. And the real problem, though, is that my wife, who had not been watching the movie at all
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this entire time with us, she happens to walk in right before that happens and sits down and says,
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well, I'll watch it with you. And then the head-biting thing happens. My son, of course,
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loves it. He's, oh, King Kong just bit off a guy's head. Did you see that, mommy?
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And I'm sitting there like, kid, just stop. Don't, don't, don't. And my wife gives me that look.
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You know, it's a very specific look that your wife gives you. It's a very specific,
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you let the kids watch something inappropriate look. And so I'm getting that look. Not a good look.
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But what I, what I tried to argue is that kids have to be exposed to this reality at some point,
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right? The fact that gorillas bite people's heads off, that's, that's something that would you
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rather they learn it on the streets? Is that what you want? You want them to go out there and learn
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it the hard way? That, that, that, that 40-foot gorillas could bite your head off? No, this is
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something that they need to learn in a safe environment at home so that we could teach them
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that yes, this is sometimes gorillas bite people's heads off. Important life lesson. So if you see a
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All right. The, the Star Tribune, uh, the paper in Minneapolis ran a story over the weekend about
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representative Ilhan Omar. Here's the lead of the story. It says new investigative documents released
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by a state agency have given fresh life to lingering questions about the marital history of
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representative Ilhan Omar and whether she wants married a man, possibly her own brother to skirt
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immigration laws. Now that's not an accusation that you hear every day against politicians, is it?
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That's not one that's, that's, that's, that's a, that's a, that's a new one. The Star Tribune has
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apparently been ignoring this story for a long time, for, for years, really months or years,
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they've been ignoring it. Uh, they're the local, that's Minneapolis and Ilhan Omar, of course,
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the representative for Minnesota. So they're sort of the local crew there. And during the campaign,
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they didn't talk about it, didn't talk about, they're only coming out with it now because they
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have no choice because, uh, because of there's the evidence is piling up and they have to say
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something to acknowledge it. And I, I tell you that just because I, there are some conservatives who
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I saw over the weekend were, it seemed like they were tempted to give the Star Tribune some credit
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and say, Oh, well, this is a liberal rag, but yeah, they've done some real journalism here and
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give them credit for that. No, don't give them any credit. They, they, they only did it because
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they absolutely had to, and they tried not to, they don't want to, they did because they had to.
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Um, is it true though? That's really the, that's really the main point here. That's what matters.
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Um, is it true? Well, I guess we don't know, right? We don't, we don't know exactly if it is or not.
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Um, it would be a serious crime if it is true. And it would also be really creepy and weird that
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you married her brother, but we can't say for sure. There is a lot of smoke. And the thing is,
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it's a very peculiar, peculiar, I should say peculiar. It's a very peculiar type of smoke.
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It's a, it's a, it's a really weird smoke. Um, it's a smoke that indicates that you married your
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brother. My point is that that's, if you didn't marry your brother, why would there be any smoke
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at all in that direction? You see what I'm saying? Most of us have never married our brothers,
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right? I haven't married my brother. You haven't married yours. Not something most people do.
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And if you've never married your brother, there probably is not going to be any reason for anyone
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to ever think you did. It's just, it's not something that will ever come up. You're never
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going to have to deny it. If you're in a position where you have to deny that you married your
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brother, that probably means at a minimum, that something really weird is happening.
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Right? Now there are some accusations that politicians face all the time. There are the
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more kind of par for the course accusations that almost everyone faces or, or politicians of a certain
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type are, uh, more likely to face. And in that case, well, then you really have to look at it,
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look at the evidence. Maybe they did it. Maybe they didn't. You have to look at the evidence here
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also, but the very fact that there is any evidence is itself a piece of evidence, pretty damning piece
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of evidence that she did it. Although who knows? Um, in, it's a claim that really is on the surface
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seems so bizarre and outlandish that a lot of even conservatives, myself included have sort of
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ignored it up until this point, because we all just assumed it was some rumor started on an internet
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forum somewhere, but apparently that's not the case. Uh, reading now from the daily wire report
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on this story says newly discovered official documents released on Sunday suggest that
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representative Ilhan Omar lived with her current husband, Ahmed Hirzi during the entire time that
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she was legally married to Ahmed Elmi, the man that critics allege is her brother. The Washington
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Examiner reports reports that Omar tells her marital history the following way. 2002, Omar married
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Hirzi in a faith ceremony, but never legally married. 2008, Omar and Hirzi decided to end our relationship
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in our faith tradition. Early 2009, Omar legally married Elmi. 2011, Omar and Elmi religiously divorced.
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2011, Omar and Hirzi reconciled. 2017, Omar and Elmi belatedly obtained their legal divorce. 2018, Omar and Hirzi
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legally married. Very confusing. It's kind of the worst soap opera ever, it sounds like. Um, the, the, the report
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goes on. Omar's timeline of events appears to conflict with newly uncovered documents from the Washington
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Examiner's Tiana Lowe, who notes that the evidence suggests that Omar has always been in a marital
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relationship with Hirzi, even when she was married to Elmi. Um, it goes into the public documents that they
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found. I'm not going to, I'm tempted to read this entire report. I'm not going to do that because it is very
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complicated, difficult to explain. I would encourage, just go to dailywire.com and look, look it up and read for
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yourself. There's a lot of, there are many documents here that flesh all this out that I'm not going to read the
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specifics of, but you could go and look at it for yourself. Um, this all ties into, you know, she's
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also, uh, she was the subject of a campaign finance violation probe. Uh, so that's tied into this.
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And so we've got campaign finance violations, potentially we've got her defrauding the
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immigration system, potentially there's also another crime potentially on the list here. And that would be
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perjury. Um, it, uh, I'm trying to find at the very end of the article, it gets into Omar swore
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in court that she has no contact with Elmi, her alleged brother and former husband, apparently
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no contact with him. Doesn't know where he is. Doesn't know anyone in his family. Can't get ahold of
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him. That's what she swore to the court, but there's reason to believe based on other documents
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that, um, that's not true either. And that in fact, she lied even then. So, um, this is, uh, this is all
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just, uh, crazy and devastating for the Democrats, which is why they're ignoring it. Um, and it's why
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the liberal media wants nothing to do with this because not only is she a Democrat, of course,
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and she's one of the fresh faces of the Democrat party and she's kind of a rising star of the
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Democrat party. But for, for it to turn out that she herself committed immigration fraud,
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that would be remarkable. Especially when this is something that Republicans are talking about all
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the time, how you have people defrauding our immigration system. Democrats are saying, oh,
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that's not really a problem. No one's doing that. And then one of your own people,
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one of the most visible, a rising star of the Democrat party herself is guilty of it.
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Potentially, allegedly, well, that's devastating for them.
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What's even though, what's even more devastating though, I think for me to think about is that
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as bizarre as all this is, and as horrible as it would be, if it's true,
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I think it will have no effect on her politically because we know for one, the media is not going
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to report it. They're running cover for her. And so Democrats can always rely on that. That
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can always count on that, that the media is going to cover for them. But so I think a lot of her
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constituents, a lot of voters will never hear about it. Even if they did hear about it though,
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in fact, even if Omar came out and admitted and said, yeah, I married my brother, whatever. Hey,
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love is love. Or if she said, or if she said, I think a better angle for her would be, listen,
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the immigration system is unjust. It's impossible to get through. I was, you know, I needed to come
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here for the sake of my family. My family needed to come to the United States and it was my only
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option. And so this is, this is your, this is America's fault. This is the fault of the system
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for forcing me as an immigrant woman to make this difficult choice to marry my brother.
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She could easily go with that. She could admit it and go with that angle. And I think she would
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get away with it because her constituents don't, they have no respect for our immigration system.
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They don't care about it. And, um, by her, I mean, when I say her, I should say not her
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constituents, but specifically her voters, her supporters have no respect for our immigration
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system. They don't care about it. They have no respect for the truth and don't care about that.
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So the fact that she lied and committed fraud, they don't care about that either. And so she could
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easily get away with this. And that probably is the most depressing thing of all, even more
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depressing than someone marrying their brother. Okay. A couple of, uh, other brief things, both
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Twitter related. Unfortunately, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, um, tweeted something over the
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weekend. They got 172,000 likes. And you'll understand why I'm reading this in a minute when
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you hear it, because it's so powerful and, uh, brave and insightful. And that's why 172,000
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people liked it. She said, I have absolutely zero patience for completely certified card
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carrying flag, waving racists. None. They can take their little tiki torches somewhere else.
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We don't give them an inch, a second, a sliver of sunlight, nor the time of day. And neither
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should you. Wow. So, so brave. I mean, the courage, the courage it took to write this.
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You know, to come out against racism, to say, I don't like racism. You know, uh, I'm against
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racism. I am anti-racism. Racism. I want no part of it. I just, I can't fathom the courage
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it takes for, for someone to say this because all the rest of us, we're all like, oh, racism.
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Uh, I plead the fifth. Yeah. I don't want to talk about that. I'm not going to tell you how
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I feel about racism. Uh, I'm a little too, I don't want to get into that subject. That's what
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the rest of us say, right? Because we're so afraid to take this bold stand of coming
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out against racism. This woman is fearless. Uh, my God, she is, she is a firecracker, isn't
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she? And I, I especially liked how she, she's coming out against, um, completely certified
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racists. So if you've got your racist certification and your, and your card, you know, your little
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business card, I'm a racist. How are you? Um, with your contact information, you know,
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because if you meet another racist, then you need to, oh, you're a racist too. Which racist
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do you hate? Oh, really? Me too. Well, here's my business card. Uh, look me up sometime and
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give me a call. We'll talk. Um, anyway, so she's, she's specifically coming out against
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those people that with the rate, they're, they've got, they're certified, uh, they're licensed
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and she's saying, no, thanks. You folks get out of my face. Incredible courage. All right. And then
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we have a reporter on Twitter, um, Olivia Nuzzi, Nuzzi, Nuzzi, I don't know, relaying a scene from a
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Planned Parenthood event where some democratic candidates showed up to this Planned Parenthood
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event. Speaking of courage, uh, really facing a hostile audience there. And they took questions
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from people in the crowd at this event. And, um, here's how she describes it. Uh, Olivia,
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she says at, at Planned Parenthood event, a non-binary activist just asked Castro, uh, how
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he'll expand sexual and reproductive health for trans people, Julian Castro. Castro responds
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by first asking which pronoun the activist prefers. They replied, I actually don't use any pronoun,
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which received some applause. Now I love that sentence. I don't use any pronoun. The whole non-binary
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choose my own pronoun thing is exposed for the joke that it is in just that one sentence. I don't
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use any pronoun. I don't use any pronouns. Oh, I actually don't like pronouns. You see the problem
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there? Yes, you do use pronouns because I is a pronoun. So you do use them. Of course you do.
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You wouldn't be able to communicate if you didn't at least use a pronoun like I, you need to be able
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to refer to yourself as I, or you wouldn't be able to communicate just like we need to be able to use
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words like he and she in order to communicate as well. Otherwise, if we can't use a word like he
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or she, when referring to you, when talking about you to someone else, which is usually when the
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words he and she come up, if we're talking to you, then there probably isn't any reason to say
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he or she. But if we're talking about you to someone else, if we're relaying some information
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about you, telling a story about you, um, we need to have a pronoun because then otherwise we'd have
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to say something. It would be like, so I saw Bob today. And Bob told me that when Bob was driving to
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the store two days ago, Bob got into a car accident, uh, and Bob won't get Bob's car back
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from the shop for a while, you know, et cetera. It just becomes utterly, uh, ridiculous and just
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completely silly and nonsensical. But this is what we're expected to do. We're expected to reduce
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ourselves to nonsense, to embarrass ourselves, to jump through hoops, to reject the basic rules of
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grammar, to make idiots of ourselves, uh, to make a mockery of everyday language, everyday
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communication, all because someone has decreed that they don't like a certain pronoun. Oh no, no,
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that's, um, I don't, that pronoun is, I don't like that pronoun. Also that verb and that adverb, I don't
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like those either. Don't use those. Don't use those in my presence. And here's a list of 46 nouns
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you're no longer, I don't like those. Oh, and here's some adjectives I don't like either.
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See, it doesn't, you don't get to do that. You don't make the, you don't make grammatical rules.
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And, and even if we're talking about you, you can't say, well, but certainly if you're talking
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about me, I can control what you say. No, you can't. You don't get to decide what rules of grammar
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apply when we're talking about you. It doesn't work that way.
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I don't, I don't like those pronouns. Well, okay, great. It's good for you. You don't like them.
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Uh, fantastic. I, uh, thanks for letting me know, but we're not bending the English language into some
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distorted shape just to accommodate you. This again, as I often point out is, is just arrogance.
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There is so much in this non-binary gender, you know, choose your own gender, all that stuff.
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There, there's a lot of, uh, you know, there's a lot of confusion. People are very confused.
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Um, a lot of self-loathing involved in it. So that's all there. But then there's also a ton of
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arrogance where people are, what they want to do is bend the rules of grammar to, to suit them,
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make everything a million times harder for everybody else. So we've got to jump through all
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these hoops and we don't know what to say. And we have to use, you know, come up with, we have to
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sound like, like morons when we're talking of what you're not using any pronoun at all.
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Just, just making life harder for everybody else. Uh, just because it would make you feel better.
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So along with the confusion, the self-loathing, there's also a ton of arrogance in it,
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which is why I just have, I have very little patience for it.
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Um, and I think sometimes the correct response to that stuff is just to say, you know what,
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I don't use any pronouns. What? Oh man. Um, okay. Now here's something that, uh, that,
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well, let's see a couple other things I wanted to talk about. Well, let's, let's talk about this
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first. Um, I have to mention advice columnist E Jean Carroll now alleges in a new book, which
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will be in stores soon, soon that she was raped by Donald Trump some 20 years ago, but they were
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both in their fifties. Um, she says it happened in the dressing room of an apartment store.
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They went to the dressing room together consensually. This is what she says.
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Um, Carol says she went there because she wanted to see Trump try on lingerie and then he raped her,
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she says. And, uh, but she's not going to press charges because she also says that to press charges
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would be disrespectful of migrant women. That's what she said. I, what's the connection? Why,
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how would that be disrespectful to my, it's so it's, if you're raped and you press a charge,
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it's just what, um, but there's a lot of that. There's a lot of what in this story. There are a
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lot of things that just don't make any sense. Um, you know, that I'm not one to reflexively defend
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Trump. If I thought he was guilty, I would say so. If I thought there was some credibility to these
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claims, I would say so, but I've, I have a hard time with this. Let's start with the fact that she
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was raped by the now president of the United States, but said nothing about it until she wrote it
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in a book. Saving a rape accusation for a book is just, well, it doesn't help your credibility.
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If this actually happened, wouldn't you just come out and say it, say it, especially during the
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campaign before he's president, but you, you, you write it in a book and you use it to sell the book.
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Um, that it's hard for me to believe that an actual rape victim would make that choice.
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Let's, uh, let's hear Carol herself actually describe the scene here. She is on CNN, uh,
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talking about this accusation. When we walked into the lingerie department,
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there was nobody there, which is strange. It was in the evening. So,
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and on the counter were three really fancy boxes and a see-through bodysuit. He walked right to
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the bodysuit and snatched it up and said, go put this on. Now that struck me as so funny because
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here I am, 52, I am not going to be put. My idea was, I said, no, you put it on. And he said,
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no, it looks like it fits you. I said, no, it goes with your eyes. So I am spinning a comedy scene
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in my head. Of course, banter back and forth. I get it. But you see how funny that would be to
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make him put that on. Yes. And you, by the way, used to be a comedy writer on Saturday Night Live.
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You were engaging in this banter as I think many of us would. Yes. Because you didn't know
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what violence was about to unfold and you could never have known that. How would I know that? Of
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course. Although I thought I was pretty stupid. Well, I mean, I understand that afterwards,
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in retrospect, you blame yourself. Many women in this situation do. Okay. So you notice how
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Alison Camerata, the CNN anchor there, is literally coaching her through the accusation.
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She's framing it for the accuser, helping her to explain it. She's walking her through it,
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giving her answers for any questions that might come up, saying, oh yeah, that's totally normal.
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I think she even said, oh, when Carol said that she wanted to go in the dressing room so that
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Trump could try on see-through lingerie and didn't Camerata said something like, as anyone would,
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or something like that. As anyone would, really? Anyone would ask Donald Trump to come into a
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dressing room and try on see-through lingerie? I don't think anyone would do that. I wouldn't.
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If I met Donald Trump, that would probably not be something that I would request. I think most of
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us wouldn't do that. So it's very bizarre. Now, I could believe that they meet in this department
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store for whatever reason. Trump makes a flirtatious, half-joking comment about, hey, try on this.
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And then she says, why don't you try it on? So I could believe that part. End scene right there,
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right? But then, so she actually goes into the dressing room with him so that he could literally
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try it on with her right there in the room with him. And she says, oh, it's a comedy scene. I've
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hatched a comedy scene. Oh, this will be hilarious. Hey, this will be a, hey guy, hey guy, I really
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don't know at all. Wouldn't it be hilarious if you tried on this lingerie in the dressing room? I'll
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come in with you, get naked, try it on. It'll be, it'll be hilarious. We'll have a great laugh about
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it. Um, I, uh, maybe, but maybe that happened. I, I have a hard time believing it. It's just
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really bizarre. And so you have to apply the principle of, um, we don't know what happened.
00:27:16.060
We'll never know for sure. Now we have to look at the story, see the two possibilities.
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One is that she made this up. The other is that it actually happened. Um, and then it's simply a
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matter of for us. What's, which one is more plausible? Is it more plausible that this woman,
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uh, randomly decided to go into a dressing room with Donald Trump so he could try a lingerie
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that he raped her right there in the middle of the department store. And, uh, and then she ran away.
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She didn't tell anybody about it publicly anyway, until she wrote it in a book so she could sell the
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book. Is that plausible or is it more plausible that she just made this up to sell a book?
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Or as kind of an in-between option that she really did have some kind of encounter with Donald Trump
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that was actually consensual that maybe she then regretted or felt weird about. And then,
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you know, so there's also that possible of all those possibilities, which is,
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which is the least plausible. It seems to me right now, um,
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barring more evidence being produced, which I don't know what kind of evidence could be produced.
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The, the least plausible option is that it happened exactly as she describes in my view.
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All right. Um, let's, we've also got Elizabeth Warren now calling for gay reparations for reparations
00:28:47.280
for gay people. Uh, not a joke. She really is calling for that. And, uh, but I think I'll save
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that for tomorrow. We'll talk about that tomorrow because I think that deserves, um, a closer
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inspection. All right. We'll do some emails, mattwalshowatgmail.com, mattwalshowatgmail.com.
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This is from Brad says, Hey Matt, is there anything on this planet as narcissistic as the modern day
00:29:11.600
bridal shower? Please enlighten your audience with a classic Matt Walsh rant. Well, I don't know if I
00:29:16.940
have a classic Matt Walsh rant for you. I'm not sure what that, what, what constitutes a classic
00:29:20.660
Matt Walsh rant. Um, I will say that I think not just the bridal shower, but the whole wedding scene
00:29:28.620
has become, of course, and I'm not the first person to point this out, of course. Uh, but the whole
00:29:34.500
wedding scene has become, has, has become incredibly narcissistic and self-centered and, and, um,
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and kind of absurd. And, and, uh, I mean, we all do it. I, I did it. I had the classic traditional
00:29:46.820
wedding traditional by our standards today, where you spend more money than you probably need to.
00:29:51.240
And it's a whole big production and blah, blah, blah. So we did it. Uh, it's what most people do.
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Um, but yeah, I think it probably is. I don't, I guess I don't have much of a rant at all. I'm just,
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I'm, I am just sort of nodding my head in agreement with you. I think it is more narcissistic and,
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and, and, and more involved, the more expensive than it needs to be. And, um,
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so there you go. Not much of a rant. Sorry. Uh, this is from Allison says, Matt, huge fan of the
00:30:26.740
show. I'm wondering what your thoughts are about the situation in Indy so far. Three area Catholic
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schools have been directly impacted by LGBTQ issues and firings related to them. Earlier this
00:30:37.560
school year, um, Ron Sali high school, I think it's, I pronounced it fired a guidance counselor
00:30:43.380
after she was outed for being gay in the last two days, two other high schools, both more prominent
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in the Catholic community were pressured by the archdiocese to fire LGBTQ members. Um,
00:30:55.460
Brie booth. Why can't they just, these just have normal names that I can pronounce. I don't sound
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like a moron. Uh, Brie, Brie booth, Brie bow Jesuit preparatory school decided not to fire them was
00:31:07.180
immediately excommunicated from the archdiocese cat cathedral, uh, high school shockingly just days
00:31:12.560
after made the opposite decision. I'm a 2010 alum of cathedral high school who was having a ton of
00:31:19.080
thoughts about this issue. Here is cathedral's official explanation. Um, which she links to,
00:31:23.780
which, uh, so again, my question to you are these, do you think this handling of LGBTQ employees will
00:31:30.820
continue at Catholic institutions nationally? Do you agree with cathedrals handling of the situation?
00:31:37.000
Thanks for your thoughts. Um, whether it will be national, it really depends on the arch on the
00:31:44.980
diocese. Um, do I agree with their handling? Listen, I don't like to see anybody get fired.
00:31:53.780
But if you're going to work for a Catholic school, and this is something that Catholic
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schools are upfront about at the, at the outset. And, and, and, and, and I don't know about this,
00:32:06.280
if this is specifically the case here, but in many Catholic schools, you have to sign something
00:32:10.120
swearing that you believe in and will uphold Catholic teaching.
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And even if you don't have to sign something, if you do have to sign it, then to me, it's clear cut.
00:32:21.380
If you signed anything, if you at any point made, it made any kind of official oath to uphold Catholic
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teaching and you were lying, then of course you should be fired. And I don't care what you were,
00:32:33.920
what the issue is, whether it's gay, a gay issue or anything else you lied, you, you got hired under
00:32:39.600
false pretenses. And so of course you should be fired there. But let's say that you didn't have to,
00:32:43.980
you didn't really have to sign anything. Um, but you're still going to work at a Catholic high
00:32:49.780
school, which the job of a Catholic high school or Catholic school of any grade is to educate kids,
00:32:59.820
but also, um, to instill Catholic values. And so that's your job.
00:33:05.960
Your job is partially at least and substantially to help instill Catholic values and an understanding
00:33:14.840
of Catholic teaching. So you have to know that before you get the job at the Catholic school.
00:33:21.140
And if you get that job, even though you reject Catholic teaching, um, then you're just not suited for
00:33:32.140
that position. You, you, it's not like you could go work. It's not like Catholic schools are the only
00:33:39.840
option. You go to public school, you go to a private school that's not Catholic, but the Catholic
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church does not hide. The Catholic church makes no qualms about, um, uh, about its position on these
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topics. Everybody knows. So, you know, that going in. And so that's where I, that's where I stand on
00:34:03.700
that. So I fully support their decision to fire them because it's not, you know, you, you clearly
00:34:09.200
are, you, you've taken a job, your job is to instill Catholic values and Catholic teachings.
00:34:13.760
You clearly aren't interested in doing that job. You don't want to do that job because you don't
00:34:19.600
agree with Catholic teaching, which fine, you're free to not agree, but just why go work at a
00:34:26.400
Catholic school of all places of all the options? Why that? It doesn't make any sense to me.
00:34:35.060
So it's hard for me to have sympathy for these people, even though I do, if you lose your job,
00:34:38.580
I have some sympathy, but still why of all your options, why did you go there? You don't agree.
00:34:43.580
You obviously now think about it. The Catholic church has always taught that marriage is between
00:34:52.000
a man and a woman. That's been the teaching for 2000 years. If you disagree, then that means that
00:35:01.140
you do not, uh, respect or acknowledge the authority of the Catholic church. You think the Catholic
00:35:08.100
church is wrong about a crucial moral issue. And if it is, and it has been wrong for 2000 years,
00:35:14.900
then the Catholic, then you shouldn't listen to the Catholic church at all about anything.
00:35:19.320
You shouldn't be Catholic. You should, why do you even want to work at a Catholic school in that case?
00:35:26.380
That's the point here. If the Catholic church is wrong about the gay, about the gay issue,
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which I don't think they are, but if they are, then that means the Catholic church has been wrong
00:35:38.120
about a crucial moral issue, theological issue for 2000 years, which means that the entire
00:35:45.200
credibility of the Catholic church is destroyed. And, uh, if that, if it has no credibility, if it's
00:35:50.900
wrong, then again, why? And you, which you must think is the case. If you disagree with it on this
00:35:56.800
issue, then why would you want anything to do with it? Why would you want to teach at the school?
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I can only assume it's because you have these negative thoughts about the Catholic church and
00:36:09.480
Catholic teaching. And so you want to kind of undermine it from the inside.
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And if that's your mission, which I would have to assume it is, if you would still go for the job,
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then, uh, that's all the more reason for the school to fire you because your mission is the exact
00:36:29.720
opposite of the stated mission of the school. So that's where I stand on that. And, uh, I think
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we'll leave it there for today. Thanks for watching everybody. Thanks for listening. Godspeed.
00:36:52.200
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