The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 298 - Tribalism Is Leading Us To A Dark Place

00:00:00.000 Today on the Matt Walsh Show, we're going to discuss how tribalistic demagoguery,

00:00:04.540 which is a plague in our society, and it is leading us down a dark path as a society.

00:00:11.360 Our leaders on both sides, it seems, many of them anyway, are eager to encourage radicalism,

00:00:16.400 encourage chaos, violence, civil unrest. So we're going to discuss that. Also,

00:00:23.080 Scarlett Johansson has run afoul of the PC mob. And finally, a feminist has devised one of the 0.99

00:00:30.000 possibly maybe the dumbest invention of all time. We'll discuss that also today on the Matt Walsh Show. 0.97

00:00:41.100 Well, everything is very stupid right now. Everything is stupid and everything is gross 1.00

00:00:48.340 and everyone is an idiot. I think that when they write about this era of American history 1.00

00:00:56.000 books, that should be the subheading. Well, not everyone, not everything. That's just how it

00:01:04.740 feels sometimes. I'm sure that you've felt it as well, if I'm being totally honest. And I hate to

00:01:09.620 be such a downer, but I think that we are headed to a very bad place in this country. And I am worried

00:01:19.740 about that. In all seriousness, I'm worried that people are going to start dying soon. And what we

00:01:27.140 need from our leaders, what we need from the people in charge right now, no matter what party they

00:01:32.880 belong to, is calm and clarity, moral certitude, strength. But we're not getting that. We aren't

00:01:42.620 getting it from hardly anyone on either side. What we're getting is demagoguery and tribalism.

00:01:49.340 And when your leaders are all demagogues and tribalists, and when you live in an intensely 1.00

00:01:57.900 stupid time where stupidity is rampant, and when you live amidst moral decay, as we do, 1.00

00:02:06.680 then you're going to get civil unrest and violence and bloodshed. When you mix all those factors 1.00

00:02:13.560 together, it's inevitable. History proves that it's inevitable. This isn't a game. When I talk

00:02:23.300 about this and I say, well, I'm worried that we're headed towards civil unrest. I'm worried that

00:02:28.380 we're headed towards chaos. And there are two reactions that you often get from people when you

00:02:35.220 say that. One is, ah, you're being a drama queen. It'll be fine. The other is for someone to say,

00:02:42.500 okay, well, I'm ready. Let's do it. Fine with me. I think both reactions are stupid, which is,

00:02:49.300 I mean, that's the theme here is stupidity. If you say, okay, I'm ready. Let's do it. That's fine. 1.00

00:02:55.640 I don't think you know what you're saying because you've been fat and comfortable for far too long.

00:03:00.940 You know, you think this is all a game. You watch Netflix seven hours a day. You play video games

00:03:05.740 and eat Doritos. You aren't ready. I mean, this is all entertainment to you. The moment the crap hits

00:03:12.380 the fan, I mean, really hits it for real this time. I think your tough talk will go out the window in 0.99

00:03:17.940 an instant and you'll see that this isn't a game. The problem is that it's so much that we see it so

00:03:25.000 much as a game right now. Um, when we're all, when, when we're on the internet, we're watching TV,

00:03:31.300 we're hiding behind screens, we're insulated, but it's not, this is real.

00:03:39.080 As for the idea that this is a, well, it's dramatic. We're not, I'm not trying to be dramatic. I just

00:03:44.000 think that we all have this thing in the back of our minds and I have it too. I'll admit where we look

00:03:50.860 around and, um, and we can see that things are pretty bad and we can see that they're getting

00:03:56.480 worse, culturally speaking, societally speaking, but we just assume that it'll all work out in the

00:04:02.980 end. That when it comes down to it, it's not really going to affect us. It's not going to affect our

00:04:08.600 family. It's not going to come to our front door. That there's a certain line that will never be

00:04:14.540 crossed, an imaginary line that we, that we think is there. And we think, well, it will never go beyond

00:04:19.020 that. The real civil unrest and chaos and so on, we think is, it's just, it's something that's,

00:04:25.860 that's, that can't happen here. It happens over there. It happens, um, in other parts of the world

00:04:30.680 happens in, in other eras in history, but not here, not right now. We're immune to it, we think.

00:04:38.120 And we tend to think that way instinctively because that's the reality we've known so far to this point.

00:04:43.260 And as human beings, we will always assume that past reality will be future reality.

00:04:50.220 We always assume it. Past reality is future reality. Now, when we say past, we mean our own past,

00:04:56.040 the things that we've experienced personally. Um, we just take it for granted.

00:05:03.700 Humans also always struggle to take a historical view of present circumstances,

00:05:08.200 to look at things with a wider lens. But the truth is, look, you know, Rome fell,

00:05:13.580 civilizations fall, they fall all the time. That also is inevitable. It will happen eventually.

00:05:19.400 Every civilization will fall. Ours will, one way or another, eventually. Um,

00:05:26.980 but I think we are speeding up the process right now. So again, what we need from our leaders is

00:05:33.140 clarity and calm and resolve. I don't say weakness. I don't even say moderation,

00:05:40.660 depending on what you mean by the word. I certainly don't mean that what we need are

00:05:45.520 a bunch of political moderates. That's not what I mean. I just mean that we need something other

00:05:51.920 than tribalistic demagoguery from our leaders and from ourselves, from, from each other. I mean,

00:05:57.640 in general, we need something other than tribalistic demagoguery, but that's all we seem to get from

00:06:03.860 anyone anymore. And it's not because when I say that our leaders, uh, you know, in DC are all a

00:06:12.400 bunch of tribalistic demagogues, it's not, I don't mean that there are a bunch of supervillains and

00:06:17.020 that's some of them kind of are, but, um, but that's not necessarily why a politician would be a

00:06:24.200 tribalistic demagogue. It's your tribalistic demagogue because it's easy and it's politically 0.68

00:06:29.640 useful. It's just a very, it's easy to be that way. And it can be politically useful. And it's also

00:06:36.920 dangerous. Weak, self-centered people will always choose the easy and politically useful route. And

00:06:46.200 we've been electing a lot of weak and self-centered people, which is why it does in the end always come

00:06:52.040 back to us. We can't, we can't blame this all on, um, you know, the elites and the, the, the politicians

00:06:58.240 and all, all these groups that it's easy to blame. I mean, who puts them there? We're electing these

00:07:03.660 people. So every time you turn on the news and you see these absolute idiots embarrassing 1.00

00:07:10.140 themselves and the country, remember we put them there. We, I mean, with whoever's there, we put them, 1.00

00:07:16.600 we elected whoever it is in whatever position they're in. If it's an elected office, we chose

00:07:23.340 them. All right. So that's my, that's my doomsday ramble to kick things off today. Uh, just, just

00:07:31.460 some general thoughts to ponder and, and, um, hopefully I just, you know, to put a little smile

00:07:35.340 on your face and give you some hope, uh, this, uh, this afternoon. I want to speak though more

00:07:39.700 specifically, and I'm going to start by mentioning this again, because it's, it's so important. I know

00:07:45.060 I've been hammering on this this week and last week recently, I've been hammering it. Um, but

00:07:50.060 that's because the media is ignoring it. Uh, people are ignoring it. Politicians are ignoring

00:07:55.360 it. So I'm going to try to compensate in my own small way by harping on it. As you've heard

00:08:01.000 from me over the weekend, a deeply entrenched member of Antifa staged a terrorist attack at

00:08:06.800 an ICE facility. The Democrats have not condemned this just like they didn't condemn the Antifa

00:08:13.340 riot a few weeks ago where they assaulted a journalist, put them in the hospital with a

00:08:16.800 brain bleed and then attacked other people with, with wrenches and, uh, or with a lead pipes and,

00:08:21.900 and, and crowbars. They didn't, they didn't condemn that either. They didn't denounce it.

00:08:26.600 They didn't say anything. It's the same with this. And when I say Democrats haven't denounced it,

00:08:32.340 I mean, none of them have none. They're all ignoring it. They're all sitting back. It's, it's,

00:08:37.460 it's amazing. Now, I guess I have to allow for the possibility that a few, maybe one or two have

00:08:43.680 said something. I don't know. I, it's not like I've, I've personally pulled every single Democrat

00:08:47.940 elected fish official in the country, but, um, the vast majority have not, I haven't heard any

00:08:53.620 denunciations from any of them. So by and large, it's been total silence.

00:09:01.640 And when I, it's actually not silence. And this is one point I wanted to make and bring this up.

00:09:05.640 Um, I've been saying that, oh, the Democrats are silent about this. Um, that, that, that gives

00:09:12.100 them too much credit. It would, it would be better if they were silent. Silence is better than what

00:09:17.880 we're getting. Best thing would be if they stood up, showed some, showed some moral clarity, some

00:09:22.420 leadership, some strength, and stood up and said, no, this is wrong. We can't do this.

00:09:27.300 Tried to calm the angry hordes. That would be the best. They're not doing that. Um, silence would be,

00:09:35.640 you know, really second best. Although, although very shameful. It's not, it's not even silence.

00:09:42.580 It's, it's, it's worse than that. Because what we're actually getting is demagoguery from the left,

00:09:48.580 from Democrats. Demagoguery that implicitly encourages, and maybe even explicitly encourages,

00:09:56.100 and even in some cases, explicitly encourages them, but encourages them either way. So AOC says that

00:10:02.160 ICE, ICE, ICE centers are concentration camps. You know, that's, that's demagoguery. That's tribalistic.

00:10:11.240 Um, and it's dangerous. Because you say, there are consequences to, to, to, to call it to that kind

00:10:20.860 of rhetoric, that kind of language. When you're a person of influence, when you're in a position of

00:10:26.820 leadership, God help us. And you say stuff like that. And you know that there are radical militants

00:10:33.440 on your side who are big fans of yours. How are they going to interpret that? You said it's a

00:10:40.140 concentration camp. I mean, if it actually were a concentration camp, then people would be perfectly 0.95

00:10:46.500 justified in, in waging a violent assault on it to liberate the captives. If, if there actually were

00:10:52.560 real concentration camps in this country, then you'd be totally morally justified in, in, in, uh, 0.67

00:10:58.860 violence, uh, to shut it down. But of course, there aren't concentration camps, and that is not a

00:11:05.460 concentration camp. But when you say that, and people believe you, you are implicitly encouraging

00:11:12.460 them to treat it like a concentration camp. And so that's what this Antifa guy did. Uh, he went there,

00:11:20.300 and, and that's all he did. He went with a gun and explosive devices, and he treated it like a

00:11:24.760 concentration camp. He reacted the way of a normal person would if there was a concentration camp. The

00:11:30.280 only thing that made it abnormal and wrong is that it wasn't actually a concentration camp.

00:11:34.640 So she's encouraging it. Without saying it explicitly, she's encouraging the violence.

00:11:39.680 This is what I'm talking about. Um, when you say that they're concentration camps, you say they're all

00:11:45.680 a bunch of racist bigots who want to enslave you. Uh, America is fundamentally racist. This is the 0.99

00:11:51.000 handmaid's tale. Women are persecuted. Uh, they want to take us back to the, you know, the 1950s.

00:11:56.840 They want to blah, blah, blah. When you say that, you're encouraging the militants on your side.

00:12:03.140 If you don't mean to encourage them, then when the militants act like militants, and they take your

00:12:09.420 words literally, and they respond violently as they have been doing, you would at that point speak up

00:12:15.440 and say, no, no, no, that's not what I want. Let me, let me rephrase. Let me, let me clarify here. I,

00:12:21.320 I don't want you to do this. And you'll adjust your rhetoric accordingly. You'll look and you'll say,

00:12:29.960 oh my gosh, you know, I called it a concentration camp. Yeah, it was hyperbole. I was trying to make

00:12:33.100 a point. Now that they're doing this, let me stand up and say, listen, guys, it's not, I'm totally

00:12:37.780 opposed to what they're doing for X, Y, and Z reason. Um, uh, but, but it's not a concentration

00:12:43.360 camp. Okay. Let me, let me, let me step back from that. If you didn't want violence, if you didn't

00:12:49.760 want chaos and civil unrest, that's what you would do. That's not what the Democrats are doing.

00:12:54.660 Instead, they are continuing with the rhetoric. They are escalating their rhetoric as the violence

00:13:00.060 escalates. Um, and so what other conclusion can I draw than that? They want this.

00:13:12.140 Okay. So meanwhile, if I'm up, if I'm here, uh, talking, uh, denouncing tribalistic demagoguery,

00:13:21.740 then I'm not going to engage in it myself. So let's, let's, um, look at the other side as well.

00:13:25.600 Over on the Republican side, we have, as I'm sure I don't even need to play it. You've already seen

00:13:30.800 it all over the place a million times just in the last few hours, but, uh, I will anyway. So on the

00:13:35.480 other side, we have this moment at a Trump rally last night, uh, a moment that is getting, shall we

00:13:40.800 say a lot of attention. Watch this. And obviously, and importantly, Omar has a history of launching

00:13:49.500 vicious, anti-Semitic screeds. Okay. Let me say, uh, first of all,

00:14:04.400 just to begin with, it is obviously hypocritical of the media to give this kind of stuff so much

00:14:15.200 attention while ignoring, completely ignoring, um, Antifa terror attacks, Antifa assaults on

00:14:22.060 journalists, all of which are, of course, are much more dangerous, um, much more newsworthy

00:14:29.300 than a chant at a rally. So I, the conservatives that are making that point, I agree. Yes, of course.

00:14:36.640 Um, at the same time though, putting that aside, I mean, it's, it's really easy and you'll notice

00:14:45.600 a lot of conservatives do this. A lot of conservative media people do this. It's the

00:14:49.500 game they play where, you know, something like this happens. They don't like it. Like something

00:14:55.200 like this chant, they don't like it personally. They disagree with it. They may even be repulsed

00:14:59.100 by it, but they don't want to say that, um, because they don't want to risk alienating their

00:15:05.120 audience. It's, it's always going to be easier in these tribalistic times to just stay tribalistic

00:15:09.340 at all times, to stay on the tribal line at all times. That's always going to be the easiest path. 1.00

00:15:14.420 It's gonna be the safest for you. Um, it's going to ensure the best ratings, the most clicks and so

00:15:19.480 on. So the game from conservatives is to, is to just something like that happens. And it's,

00:15:26.960 it's only, it's the next day. It's all, what about, what about, what about, yeah, yeah,

00:15:31.140 that happened. What about this? What about this? What about this? I have no problem with the what

00:15:35.800 about thing, because it's true that this stuff is happening. There are terror attacks. Antifa is a

00:15:41.820 terrorist organization. This is all happening too. And, uh, we should be talking about that. 0.85

00:15:46.520 And when you see the media and you see Democrats trying to ignore that and instead put all the

00:15:51.480 emphasis on something like this, then we have to say, we have to, we should point out that,

00:15:56.240 hold on a second. There's also this thing going on over here. We can't ignore this.

00:15:59.380 I mean, we can't let them set the narrative. We can't, we can't just go along with, uh,

00:16:04.200 we can't let them lead the conversation. So that's true. But at the same time, we are cowards.

00:16:12.000 If we do what they do and just completely ignore this kind of stuff on our own side, we're cowards.

00:16:18.040 And you know what? It's the worst kind of cowardice because it's cowardice that dresses itself up as

00:16:23.920 sort of tough talk. Uh, you know, that kind of thing. Because a lot of the conservative cowards

00:16:30.220 who want to ignore the stuff on their own side, they try, they try to position it as, you know 0.95

00:16:34.740 what? I'm taking the fight to the left. I'm not going to know you're a coward and you know it,

00:16:39.100 especially if you're in media, you're a total coward. The reason you're doing, you're doing it. 1.00

00:16:42.980 The reason you're ignoring it is because you don't want to upset your audience. That's the only reason

00:16:46.740 that is the reason period. Any conservative media person out there who ignores the, the, you know,

00:16:53.060 problems on their own side, the only reason for it, the only reason is because they don't want to

00:16:58.920 upset their audience. If they give you any other reason, they're lying. They're cowards.

00:17:07.800 Um, so as far as that chant goes, yeah, it's obviously wrong. I mean, it's wrong and repulsive and 0.99

00:17:16.160 gross. Um, she, look, Ilhan Omar, I, I detest her. I think she's a bad person. I, I can't, I couldn't, 0.99

00:17:29.420 um, I, I do not hold back at all in criticizing Omar. I'll put it that way. And I think you know

00:17:39.900 that I've spent many, many segments on this show talking about all of the things that she's done

00:17:45.780 and said, in fact, just two days ago, I played a clip of her being asked about the Antifa thing,

00:17:50.200 refusing to say anything, kind of smiling and smirking. I find that detestable. I find it

00:17:54.620 disgusting. I do think this woman is anti-American. I do think she hates America. I certainly think 1.00

00:18:01.440 she hates someone like me and probably many of you watching right now. Uh, I do think she's a part of

00:18:09.560 the problem. You want to talk about tribalistic demagogues? I mean, geez, like this is, she's, 0.84

00:18:12.960 she's one of the top offenders, but she's an American citizen. So chanting sent her back is

00:18:20.780 just, it's, it's not only morally wrong. It's just so incredibly stupid. You just look so dumb. 1.00

00:18:28.620 You look, you look, um, whatever you want to say, you do look like a dumb bigot when you say stuff 1.00

00:18:33.600 like you just look like a dumb bigot that no one, just no credibility, nothing to offer. You look like 1.00

00:18:39.180 an absolute moron. That's how it looks. That's how it comes across. 1.00

00:18:47.800 And, uh, I mean, is it actually racist to say that? I mean, no, it's, it's, the word racist has

00:18:55.800 a certain meaning. It's not technically racist. If you say send someone back to a different,

00:19:00.780 it's not technically, it's a, it is a, it's a, it's a morally disgusting thing, but it's not

00:19:06.860 technically racist, but you certainly are going to come off like a racist.

00:19:12.980 And as I said, a few days ago, this is not a winning conversation to start parsing and

00:19:17.360 splitting hairs and say, well, it's not technically racist. I mean, racism is this. And I mean,

00:19:21.140 that's bad, but it's not racist. I mean, racist is this that's racist. It's similar. It's racism

00:19:26.140 adjacent, but it's not quite right. Losing conversation. She is an American citizen. So calling 0.92

00:19:33.580 for her to be sent to another country is, is wrong. Now it also is true that, um, that it's

00:19:41.200 seems very likely that she's guilty of defrauding the immigration system. If that's the case, then 0.89

00:19:49.060 she should be tried and convicted and punished. We should stipulate though, that the accusation

00:19:56.280 with the very credible accusation, uh, when there's been serious reports, surprisingly, there's been

00:20:00.980 serious reporting done by this, um, done on this. And the, the, the accusation here, the credible

00:20:09.780 accusation is that she defrauded, as I understand it, she defrauded the immigration system allegedly 0.75

00:20:14.900 to make her brother an American citizen, not to make herself. She came here when she was, I don't 1.00

00:20:20.600 know, eight or nine years old. So I, some people have justified this by saying, well, look, she defrauded

00:20:26.060 the immigration system to, to, to become a citizen. So she's not a real citizen. So she, she, she, she 0.97

00:20:30.400 should be deported. Even if that were true, she needs, that's a crime. She needs to be convicted of 1.00

00:20:36.060 it in a court of law. We don't just deport people because they're accused of a crime. I think we can

00:20:39.680 all agree that even Ilhan Omar is, is, is, uh, entitled to, to due process. I, well, in fact, I think

00:20:46.980 we probably can't all agree on that now. I think things have gotten so bad and so tribalistic.

00:20:50.960 There are probably a lot of people say, ah, don't screw that. Send her. She didn't get due process. 0.99

00:20:54.540 That's she doesn't like the constitution. Send her away. I think there are a lot of people

00:20:58.180 actually have that attitude now, but in reality, she, she is, she does have the benefit of due 0.73

00:21:04.800 process. Um, but in any case, the claim is not that she herself became a citizen through

00:21:11.260 defraud. It's that she helped someone else become a citizen. Now, I don't know what the,

00:21:16.760 can you lose your own citizenship for doing that? I don't know, but that's, you gotta be tried

00:21:22.320 and convicted. And then the punishment comes calling for someone to be just summarily deported

00:21:28.120 because you don't like them is wrong. Um, and we should also say as a sort of secondary

00:21:36.380 consideration, it is politically disastrous. It just is the, the image, the sound,

00:21:46.860 that footage of, um, a bunch of white people at a Trump rally shouts, shouting, send her back

00:21:54.600 in reference to a minority woman. I mean, it's just like I said about the Trump tweets. You can

00:22:00.620 say all you want that you don't have a problem with it. You can justify it. You can say it's not

00:22:04.620 racist. You can say whatever you can give whatever justification you want. I don't agree with them,

00:22:09.660 but you can give it. Does it, in the, when it comes to the political conversation, there's really no

00:22:15.060 debate here. That is politically bad. And there, I mean, amazingly, there are people who even, I was

00:22:23.660 having this argument on Twitter today. There were people, Trump fans saying, oh no, I think it's

00:22:26.980 politically good. I think it's going to help us. Really? You think it's going to help us? You think,

00:22:30.960 you think there are people who are not committed right-wingers who are going to be more inclined to

00:22:35.560 vote for Trump because they saw a bunch of people at a Trump rally saying, send her back about a

00:22:39.400 minority woman? You think there are people, you think there are non-committed right-wingers who 0.99

00:22:42.760 are going to be more inclined because of that? You're, you're, you're insane if you say that. 0.98

00:22:47.640 You don't, you, you have absolutely no understanding of our culture and the way, the way things are 0.96

00:22:53.060 right now. You certainly, you especially don't understand voting demographics. Let me tell you

00:23:00.900 something. Donald Trump won in 2016 because he won Pennsylvania and Michigan and he won

00:23:11.660 Pennsylvania and Michigan because Hillary Clinton had depressed turnouts in places like Philadelphia 1.00

00:23:16.320 and Detroit. Those voters didn't show up in large numbers like they needed to for her to win those 0.93

00:23:21.840 states. Um, if in 2020, there are massive turnouts in those urban centers, especially places like

00:23:34.020 Philly and Detroit, Trump will lose. It's the math doesn't, you could say all you want. He won in

00:23:40.380 2016. You said this in 2016 and you were wrong. Okay, great. It's not 2016 anymore. The math just

00:23:46.800 doesn't work. It's there's, this is, this isn't magic here. If she gets huge turnouts in these big

00:23:52.820 cities, in these kind of, in these, what have become swing states, I suppose now, um, he'll lose.

00:23:58.020 There aren't enough other voters to compensate. It's a, it's a mathematical reality. You can't get

00:24:03.440 around it. And stuff like this, these kinds of moments, those are going to be put in ads.

00:24:13.160 They're going to be played ad nauseum over and over and over again in places like Philadelphia and

00:24:18.480 Detroit to get those voters out. Um, that's why it's politically disaster. It's morally wrong.

00:24:28.880 Also politically disastrous for that reason, because that is going to motivate

00:24:34.780 those urban voters to get out and vote against this because they're going to believe that not

00:24:43.780 only Trump is racist, but that he is at the, at the head of a racist movement of people who want to

00:24:50.060 deport them from the country. That's what they're going to believe. It doesn't matter if it's not true. 0.88

00:24:56.580 Trump is making it and his, and the people at that rally are making it very easy for his opponents

00:25:01.940 to paint that as the reality. All right. Um, I've been wanting to talk about this. Scarlett Johansson,

00:25:13.780 obviously a left-wing Hollywood actress. Um, aren't they all has, are they all, is there,

00:25:19.420 I was thinking about, is there a, we could think of us a few conservative actors,

00:25:23.720 male actors in Hollywood, a few. Um, but are there any conservative female actresses in Hollywood 0.76

00:25:28.800 that actually get roles? I was, I don't know. Maybe there are a couple. I can't think of the

00:25:33.560 top of my head. Um, anyway, so left-wing Hollywood actress has gotten in trouble with, uh, with the 0.99

00:25:40.900 PC mob several times in recent years. She played a character in a movie a while back that was

00:25:45.760 originally Asian in the source material. She was Asian. So that was a problem. Of course, it's not a 0.75

00:25:50.440 problem, uh, to, as we've gone over, it's, it's not a problem to take a white character and turn them

00:25:55.740 into a different race. You can make Ariel black, but to make changes the other way, that's a problem. 0.82

00:26:01.000 That's a huge outrage. That's not okay. Those are the rules now, just so you understand. And then

00:26:06.380 she was going to play a trans character in an upcoming film, but there was so much outrage about

00:26:11.380 that, uh, that she was forced to withdraw from the role. And finally, uh, in an interview when asked

00:26:19.780 about this stuff, she, she actually decried the PCE. I think she even used the word political

00:26:24.420 correctness. Um, and she said, this is a quote from her. She says, as an actor, I should be able

00:26:30.560 to play any person or any tree or any animal because that is my job and the requirements of

00:26:35.340 my job. And she's right. Of course, exactly right. But she's faced major backlash now for

00:26:40.960 those comments and predictably of course. And now I think she, she issued some, something

00:26:45.660 like an apology kind of retracting backpedaling from that, uh, from that brief moment of, of truth

00:26:51.680 that escaped her lips. She's now saying, Oh, nevermind. And this is another example of the

00:26:57.780 left eating its own. So we understand that, but what she's saying is true. And that's why

00:27:02.900 this whole thing is so dumb because number one, it's, it's acting. You're pretending to 0.99

00:27:09.200 be something that you're not. That's what acting is. That's why we, uh, we can award actors

00:27:17.680 and say, Oh, this person did an especially good job of acting doing an especially good

00:27:22.620 job of acting. The reason we could say it's a good job of acting is that what we're really

00:27:26.820 saying is this person did a really good job of pretending to be something that they're

00:27:31.640 not. It's what acting is. Um, the other issue is that we talk about representation in Hollywood

00:27:40.040 and that's a big deal now that we need all these different groups represented. They need

00:27:43.980 to be represented. Okay. Well, if you're talking about trans representation in Hollywood, how,

00:27:51.460 how many trans people exist in the country? It's a, it's a, it's a very small percentage.

00:27:59.280 One percent. I mean, less than that. So if there are only a few trans people in the country in

00:28:07.820 existence, and then there are only few trans, uh, people in Hollywood, well, that, that right 1.00

00:28:14.540 there is proper representation. In fact, there have been studies done on this and I don't have

00:28:19.320 them in front of me, but there have been studies done showing that if you break things down

00:28:23.820 demographically by race and all that stuff, you'll find that all, all, everyone is pretty

00:28:29.020 well represented in Hollywood. In fact, many times the minorities are overrepresented because

00:28:35.240 it wouldn't be, it's not like if you, if you've got, you know, uh, 50% of white actors

00:28:40.840 getting roles and 50% of, of, of, of black actors getting roles, 50, 50, that's, that is,

00:28:45.040 that is a disproportionate representation. So if by representation, you just mean that things

00:28:49.980 should be equal in terms of their percentage and, and, you know, in, in society and that should

00:28:54.200 be reflected in Hollywood. Well, then we're pretty much, that's where we are. So there's

00:28:58.440 no problem here. And anyway, there wouldn't be a prop, even if, you know, if it was, if

00:29:04.740 it was 98% of a certain race getting jobs and 2% or if it's 50, 50, or if it's 75, whatever

00:29:10.320 the percentage is, it doesn't, that doesn't matter because it should be whoever's best

00:29:14.540 for the role gets the job. Whoever's best at doing it should get the job. No matter what

00:29:18.240 their race is, it doesn't matter. This isn't a competition. And here's the, here's the other

00:29:25.540 thing. The last thing that strikes me, especially when it comes to this issue of trans people

00:29:30.080 and you hear that, well, uh, uh, uh, trans people should play trans characters, which as we've 0.98

00:29:37.960 already gone over is very stupid because the whole point is you're pretending to be something 0.99

00:29:40.840 you're not. But, but even beyond that, I thought, isn't it okay. If you're a, if you are a quote 0.99

00:29:46.500 trans woman, which means that you're a man, uh, identifying as a woman, wouldn't you want 1.00

00:29:55.120 to play women, just regular women in a role? Isn't the whole, your claim here is that you're a 1.00

00:30:00.860 woman just like any other woman. So to me, it just strikes me as oddly unwoke for the liberals to

00:30:09.540 be saying, well, trans people should play trans characters. Aren't you, shouldn't you be saying 0.52

00:30:13.800 that trans people should play non-trans characters because trans women are women. So should they 1.00

00:30:19.080 just play women? Isn't that your perspective? It just, you're, what you're calling for here 1.00

00:30:24.340 doesn't even make any sense based on what you usually say. Uh, so that, that to me, it just

00:30:31.080 doesn't, it doesn't make any sense, but this is what you get from identity politics is, um,

00:30:35.840 is a lot of nonsense. All right. Last thing I wanted to mention before emails. Uh, and I, I just saw

00:30:42.560 the headline here. So I'm, I'm looking at the article. Now we will experience this together for the first

00:30:46.560 time. This is in the daily wire. Um, it says a, from Paul Bois, a feminist student specializing

00:30:54.780 in 3d design and craft from the university of Brighton has ushered mankind into a new era of

00:31:00.180 sexual equality by designing a chair that prevents man spreading. Uh, so it's a chair's reports from

00:31:07.440 the daily mail says a university student has won a national award for she won an award for it. Oh my

00:31:11.980 gosh. A national design award. She won for this, for a chair that stops men from man spreading.

00:31:18.520 Uh, Layla Laurel created the piece of furniture to stop men from widening their legs and encroaching 1.00

00:31:25.060 on other people's space. Um, the chair does nothing revolutionary, simply positions two pieces of

00:31:32.340 wood so that the man sitting down must keep his legs together. Uh, and then there's also an,

00:31:38.840 I believe there's also another chair. So there's a, there's a chair for men that squishes their 0.97

00:31:42.720 legs together. And there's also a chair for women that, uh, encourages them to spread their legs so 1.00

00:31:48.860 that they're the ones now man spreading or woman spreading, I guess. The whole thing is completely 0.99

00:31:54.160 stupid. You know, when it comes, feminists are complaining about stupid things all the time, 1.00

00:31:59.060 obviously. And, um, so it's hard to point to one particular thing and say, well, this is the dumbest 1.00

00:32:05.340 thing that feminists have complained about, but man spreading, that really might be the dumbest 1.00

00:32:10.380 feminist complaint of all of them. And that is saying quite a lot. That really might be the, um, 1.00

00:32:15.620 the, the, of all the claims of persecution. This one is the most erroneous and fallacious and ridiculous. 0.98

00:32:24.300 I know that feminists, and if you're a feminist that somehow is listening right now, 1.00

00:32:28.340 listen, I understand, I know that you struggle with subjects like biology and anatomy, not to mention

00:32:35.360 logic and, and, and, and everything else, but especially biology and anatomy as a member of the

00:32:40.240 left wing, I understand you struggle with that. You don't have a lot of understanding. So let me,

00:32:44.780 without being graphic, um, I'm going to, so I'm going to try to put this delicately, delicately

00:32:51.240 without getting into too much detail, but you see that there is a, there is an anatomical reason

00:32:57.180 why men will spread their legs when they sit down. Uh, there's an anatomical reason why men don't sit 0.99

00:33:03.860 with their legs pushed together. I, you know, I'm, you, you could look it up if you need more

00:33:11.020 information. Uh, maybe take a look at a biology textbook. You're probably going to want to find

00:33:15.600 one that was written, uh, before say five years ago, cause who knows what those things say now,

00:33:19.320 nowadays. But, um, look at a, look at a trustworthy biology reference and, um, maybe you'll understand,

00:33:27.320 but there is, so yeah, it's actually not a patriarchal conspiracy. When men are sitting on

00:33:32.500 the subway with their legs spread, they actually, they're not trying to hurt your feelings. Um, it's

00:33:37.180 not the patriarchy. It's not, it's not even, this might be shocking for you. It's actually not

00:33:43.880 about you at all. I know that's surprising. So pick yourself up off the floor after hearing that,

00:33:48.700 but it's, it's, you see, there are some things that you as a feminist, maybe you don't know, 1.00

00:33:53.640 you don't know this, but there are some things that aren't about you. Yeah. Right. Um, so this

00:34:00.880 is, this is one of those things. It's not about you. It's got nothing to do with you. They have

00:34:04.940 their legs spread more than you spread your legs because they have anatomical differences with you 0.83

00:34:09.900 that make it so that men have to sit differently. Otherwise it's extremely uncomfortable and

00:34:16.240 actually unhealthy. So that's all, that's all I'll say about that. All right. Matt Walsh show

00:34:21.640 at gmail.com is the email address. This is from, uh, I didn't get the name of this person. Unfortunately,

00:34:27.260 this is from someone says, Hey Matt, I was trying to come up with a definition for man or woman that

00:34:31.740 would fit with the transgender worldview. I think it would require four definitions. One man, 0.97

00:34:37.460 a person who feels they are more masculine than feminine woman or two woman, a person who feels

00:34:42.380 they are more feminine than masculine three masculine, those traits that tend to appear in

00:34:46.960 people with a Y chromosome for feminine, those traits that tend to appear in people with no Y

00:34:52.240 chromosome. Obviously these definitions only work for the ideology that says there are transgender

00:34:57.200 people, but only two genders and not for the gender is a social construct crew. You may have already

00:35:02.360 argued with this argument. And if so, I apologize. Um, yeah, well, I, so it's a Herculean effort on

00:35:09.540 your part to try to come up with a, with, even if it's, if it's a wrong definition, as you're aware,

00:35:13.620 I know this isn't your definition. You're trying to help the left out here, which is very charitable

00:35:17.640 of you, but, um, Herculean effort to try to take their worldview and see if you could come up with at

00:35:23.800 least a coherent definition for man and woman that would be consistent with that worldview. Unfortunately,

00:35:28.940 it's, it's just not possible to do. You're, you're attempting to do something that's impossible

00:35:33.520 because their worldview, especially with respect to gender is completely incoherent and contradictory.

00:35:38.780 So there's no way to define terms that won't end up being coherent and incoherent and contradictory.

00:35:46.540 The problem is you say, well, okay, this definition works for someone who, um, believes that

00:35:53.380 transgenderism is a thing, but would also say that, uh, there are two genders and gender isn't a

00:35:58.100 social construct. The problem is that that group doesn't exist. Everyone on the people who believe

00:36:05.080 in transgenderism are going to say that gender is a social construct. In fact, that is a, that is an 0.90

00:36:10.980 integral part of their whole worldview is that they think that it's fluid. It's on a spectrum,

00:36:15.780 which means that ideas like masculine and feminine in that case, obviously cannot be defining

00:36:24.780 for, cannot be objectively defining, uh, for, for man and woman, because they would say that masculine

00:36:35.720 and feminine, these concepts are completely arbitrary, total social constructs. We, as a society,

00:36:43.280 we just invented them out of whole cloth. There's no objective reason for them at all. And so therefore

00:36:50.200 they're illusory and you can't, you can't tie them to a definition of man. Uh, that's so that,

00:36:56.780 that doesn't work for them, but good attempt though. This is from Greg says, uh, Mr. Walsh. Awesome,

00:37:04.360 uh, discussion of gender slash sex on Wednesday show. I love your heuristic regarding asking 0.95

00:37:09.680 transgender advocates to define what a man or woman actually is. Brilliant. Uh, this will henceforth 1.00

00:37:15.040 be dubbed the Walsh protocol. I like that. The Walsh protocol. I've always wanted to have my name

00:37:20.760 on a protocol. And so, or a rule, you know, so Walsh protocol or Walsh rule. So I'm, I'm a fan of

00:37:27.920 that. The entire, uh, because I'm a theist, theocratic fascist, of course. So that's why I'd be a fan of

00:37:32.620 that. The entire topic essentially boils down to warmed over nominalism and shoddy postmodern,

00:37:38.540 modern word games. But if gender is merely a societal construct as the radicals claim,

00:37:43.380 then we can slash should probably discard the idea of gender altogether. After all,

00:37:47.440 once a person's gender can be potato or bicycle, I think the concept that has been,

00:37:51.260 the concept has been completely divorced from reality and it has no objective meaning. Yeah,

00:37:55.740 I think you're right, Greg, and you're right to observe that because that's kind of what,

00:37:58.500 what's happened here where, um, this phony distinction between gender and sex was

00:38:07.060 invented by the left. Whereas in reality, gender is really just a completely linguistic

00:38:15.780 concept. Um, it's got nothing to do, you know, people don't have genders, really people have,

00:38:23.920 you, you have a sex, you don't have a gender and you certainly don't have a sex, which is distinct 0.98

00:38:29.220 from your gender or a gender, which is distinct from your sex. These are at most, these are, 0.58

00:38:34.060 these are interchangeable words. But what the left tried to do is they try to create two,

00:38:39.180 them as two completely separate concepts so that people, uh, you know, rather than words having a

00:38:46.200 gender, you know, you could have a masculine or feminine word, that's what it should be. 1.00

00:38:51.040 But they try to take that linguistic concept and put it on people and say, well, now people have

00:38:55.760 genders and sexes and the two could be completely opposite. But what you're finding, which, which is,

00:39:03.900 which is absurd, clearly. Um, but I think what they found is that, well, okay, they, they don't want

00:39:12.380 to say, it used to be, okay, well, you've got a biological man, but his gender is woman because 0.95

00:39:20.020 that's what he identifies as, uh, which is, which sort of another way of saying that, well, he's just,

00:39:25.700 he's a feminine man, but they don't want that. What they want to say is what, what, what, what they're

00:39:31.880 claiming now is, no, a, a man who identifies as a woman is a woman. This, this isn't, there's no

00:39:39.140 distinction between a trans woman and a woman. These are two different, these are the exact same thing.

00:39:43.360 So now I think what they've done is they've actually discarded the word, the, the concept

00:39:50.600 of gender themselves. Now, because now they're saying that sex is fluid. Sex is a, is on a

00:39:56.920 spectrum. Biological sex is on a spectrum. It is fluid. That's what they're saying now.

00:40:02.200 So I think what they did is they, they introduced this concept of gender, uh, in, in the beginning

00:40:08.100 in order to, uh, promote the whole idea that, you know, of gender spectrums and everything else,

00:40:18.000 the idea that you could transition from one to the other. Now that they've sort of implanted that

00:40:24.720 into the public conscious, I think what they're doing now is they're going and they're, they're

00:40:27.440 taking gender back. They're saying, well, we don't really need this anymore. It's, it's, it's had its

00:40:31.040 day. It's done what we needed it to do. We don't need it anymore. We'll throw it out.

00:40:34.880 Um, all right. This is from Jenny says, hello, Matt. Hello, Matt. Thank you for your work.

00:40:43.840 The work you do. I really enjoy your show. I'm curious if you know of any good music

00:40:46.740 that isn't Christian. I get tired of listening to the same songs over and over again. I enjoy 1.00

00:40:50.340 some of them, but I would like something different. Sometimes I recently searched for clean pop

00:40:54.420 music or something like that. The songs that came up had no bad language and it wasn't over

00:40:58.320 sexualized. However, the meanings of the songs were still horrible. Most of the songs were

00:41:02.340 just stupid. Why can't there be quality music or am I missing it? I hope you can help. 1.00

00:41:06.840 Well, I think there is a lot of quality music. Unfortunately, I can't really recommend anything

00:41:09.760 because, um, if you're, I guess if you like pop music and that's what you're looking for,

00:41:15.000 uh, then I, I don't listen to that music myself, pop music. So I, I can't, I, I don't know.

00:41:22.760 Maybe someone else can write in and give some recommendations for pop music. That's

00:41:26.340 actually good and not totally vulgar and also not Christian. Um, I, I, there's probably not a lot 1.00

00:41:31.960 of it. I assume it probably does exist. I just can't, I don't know. So I don't listen to that

00:41:35.900 music, but what I can say generally speaking is that there is good music today. There are great

00:41:45.020 bands out there that are making really good, thoughtful, interesting music. They're not Christian. 1.00

00:41:50.540 They're just, just like there are great movies. I really hate it when I hear from, from, uh, from

00:41:56.360 Christians. This is something Christians say a lot. That's it's nothing but terrible movies these 1.00

00:42:01.160 days. Nothing but terrible shows, nothing but terrible music. That's not true. It's a lot of

00:42:05.640 great stuff. There's a lot of garbage. Yeah, but there's a lot of great stuff. A lot of great stuff. 0.99

00:42:12.140 You know, I, I, I think that, I mean, certainly when it comes to TV shows that we're, I think everyone

00:42:16.620 basically recognizes we're in the golden age of TV shows. I mean, there's, there's so many,

00:42:20.180 it's, it's, it's, it's an embarrassment of riches every year. There's another great just work of

00:42:26.280 art kind of television show that comes along multiple in that category. Uh, I think it's the

00:42:31.820 same with, with movies. Now, if, if you're looking for movies in the theater, the kind of big box office

00:42:37.260 smashes, well, they're all going to be trite and, and, uh, redundant and, and, and superficial and all of 1.00

00:42:44.320 that. But, um, movies that go right to streaming movies that maybe aren't in theaters for very long.

00:42:51.220 There, there, there's a lot of great, great movies out. Uh, I think it's kind of an illusion where we

00:42:56.540 think, ah, well, you know, all the great music was in the seventies, all the great movies back in the

00:43:01.580 day, they had all the good stuff. Well, no, that's not really true. It's just that we, we only remember

00:43:07.240 the good stuff from the seventies and the sixties. There was bad stuff too. We just don't remember it

00:43:12.600 because it was bad. And so our view of it now is, oh, they had nothing but classics.

00:43:19.260 Um, well, that's not actually true. So anyway, that's a long rambling way of saying that, uh,

00:43:24.880 I, I guess I can't answer your question, but I'm sure there is good stuff. I know in general,

00:43:28.380 it might not be genres you generally listen to, but there is, there are good, uh, bands out there.

00:43:33.280 And I think it's, I think it's a good idea for Christians to branch out and, uh, to not stay

00:43:37.920 in that sort of Christian entertainment box because it really is okay. You know, to listen

00:43:44.340 to a song that's about something other than God. Uh, I mean, it's, it's great to listen to songs about

00:43:49.720 God. Don't get me wrong, but we're not required to only listen to songs about God or Jesus or only

00:43:55.520 watch movies that are about God or Jesus. And, and really if it's a song about love, it's if it's,

00:44:00.100 if it's a song that touches on anything true and real, then in a sense, it is also about God though

00:44:06.560 indirectly. All right. Um, finally, let's see. This one's from John says, I've been reading and

00:44:17.880 studying a lot about the conquistador Hernan Cortez Cortez. In fact, he's my favorite conquistador.

00:44:23.160 Obviously he's hated now and slandered, but I personally believe his bad reputation is undeserved.

00:44:27.120 Well, we're coming up on the 500th anniversary of Cortez's expedition. November 8th, 2019 will be

00:44:32.800 the 500th anniversary of the entrance into Mexico by Cortez and his men. I think we should be

00:44:36.860 celebrating Hernan Cortez, the civil rights activist. In my opinion, he is the greatest civil rights

00:44:40.620 leader of all time. He did after all stop human sacrifice, even if it did come at the price of

00:44:44.700 destroying a civilization. That's quite a qualifier. Um, so Mr. Walsh, I hope you'll be celebrating

00:44:50.640 Cortez day 500, celebrating the end of human sacrifice and bringing the bringing of the Catholic 1.00

00:44:54.700 faith to a new, to a new land. Um, yeah, I, uh, I, I've talked about Cortez before. I think I read a

00:45:01.160 book. Oh, geez. I'm trying to remember that. Um, uh, Richard, Richard Lee Marx, I believe was the

00:45:08.600 author of a book. Book is called Cortez. I thought it was a great book. Uh, I don't know. I stumbled

00:45:14.060 across it at some used bookstore. Um, not, not a well-known book by any means written, I don't know,

00:45:19.420 written 10, 20 years ago or something. I thought it was a great book. It's, it's, it's an amazing

00:45:24.880 story about Cortez, um, that he was able to come with his relatively small band of, um,

00:45:36.760 of conquistadors and overthrow an entire civilization. And it certainly was a violent process. We can't,

00:45:44.780 we can't make any, we can't deny that. It was very violent, especially with their final, um,

00:45:51.700 sacking of the Aztec capital. It was just total bloodshed. It was a massacre. But, uh, we should 1.00

00:46:00.420 also say that, you know, Cortez was along the way as he was, um, tangling with the Aztecs. He also made

00:46:09.040 alliances with other Indian tribes in the area who were eager to ally, to ally themselves with,

00:46:14.780 with, with Cortez because they hated the Aztecs because the Aztecs were enslaving,

00:46:19.420 oppressing them. The Aztecs would come in and demand human sacrifices. I mean, the Aztecs were 0.88

00:46:23.880 coming and stealing their children and their, their wives and ripping out their hearts and 0.99

00:46:28.600 consuming their limbs. I mean, this is just grotesque, satanic stuff. The Aztecs, as you 0.99

00:46:35.400 mentioned, human sacrifice. I mean, they, they sacrificed tens of thousands of people. There was

00:46:41.700 one period, which I'm sure you're aware of a few years before Cortez showed up, uh, where in, in a,

00:46:48.140 in a period of three or four days, they sacrificed something like 80,000 human beings to christen a

00:46:55.180 new temple that had been built. I mean, think about that 80,000. And when you, when you consider the

00:46:59.200 process, the way they did it, you put someone down on a stone slab, you rip out their heart while

00:47:05.240 they're still alive, cut up their limbs, roll them down the temple steps. And then at the bottom,

00:47:10.260 oftentimes their limbs would be consumed by the Aztec priests. Horrifying. It's difficult to 1.00

00:47:18.020 believe that this ever really happened, but it did. Imagine 80, imagine just the pile of dead bodies

00:47:24.120 and limbs that must've been there. Um, and that's something that the, the, the Spanish found 0.91

00:47:30.660 as they were getting deeper and deeper into Aztec territory, they would stop at these temples and

00:47:35.800 they would find blood, blood all over the place, piles and piles of bodies and skulls and bones.

00:47:44.800 Um, horrific, absolutely horrific. So, uh, as I was saying, the, these, these other tribes were eager to 1.00

00:47:53.260 enter into alliances with, um, Cortez. Sometimes they, they would fight Cortez first and then be

00:47:59.100 defeated and then realize that, okay, maybe we should team up with him. And the reason they were eager is

00:48:03.820 because they, like I said, they were, they were being oppressed and enslaved. So when they finally

00:48:08.280 entered the Aztec capital and there was a total bloodshed and, and slaughter on a massive scale,

00:48:15.380 much of that though happened on the part of the other Indians who were taking out their rage

00:48:23.540 on the Aztecs. And so most of that slaughter was sort of Indian on Indian slaughter. Um, at least 0.99

00:48:29.800 the indiscriminate slaughter of civilians. Anyway, that's a long way of saying that I agree with 0.89

00:48:35.440 you. I think, uh, Cortez was, uh, obviously a flawed man, but a great man. And he put an end to,

00:48:41.960 um, one of the worst human rights abuses the world has ever known. And he, he ultimately toppled

00:48:51.600 possibly the most savage civilization that has ever existed. And that's not a racist term here. Okay.

00:49:00.900 When I say savage, I mean the practice of cutting out the hearts of tens of thousands of people

00:49:06.080 and eating their bodies. That is savage in every sense of the word.

00:49:10.920 I will then join you in celebrating, uh, Cortez day 500. I'm, I'm on board for that.

00:49:19.380 And we will leave it there. Thanks everybody for watching. Thanks for listening. Godspeed.

00:49:23.040 Hey everybody. It's Andrew Klavan, host of the Andrew Klavan show. Trump's crowds are angry

00:49:41.100 about Ilhan Omar and their chanting, send her back. Should we clutch our pearls, thump our chests, 0.79

00:49:46.920 thump our pearls, clutch our chests. Sounds like a porn film, but we'll figure it out. Plus it's mailbag

00:49:52.140 day on the Andrew Klavan show.

The Matt Walsh Show - July 18, 2019

Ep. 298 - Tribalism Is Leading Us To A Dark Place

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