The Matt Walsh Show - May 15, 2018


Ep. 30 - How The Church Can Win Back Young People


Episode Stats

Length

18 minutes

Words per Minute

154.3493

Word Count

2,871

Sentence Count

214

Hate Speech Sentences

20


Summary

In this episode, we take a look at church music and what it means to be a Christian in the 21st century, and why it's not as good as it used to be. Plus, a sermon about angry birds.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 A little while ago, when I was traveling, I don't remember what city or state I was in,
00:00:05.500 but I attended a local church before my flight.
00:00:09.400 And it's always kind of a game of Russian roulette to go to a church out of town when
00:00:13.620 you're traveling.
00:00:14.900 And I guess I lost the game this time around.
00:00:18.240 I walked into this church, and I knew immediately what I was in for, because I noticed that
00:00:23.500 the choir members, if you can call it a choir, they were all dressed in shorts and flip-flops.
00:00:30.880 And everybody was talking, not just the choir, but everybody.
00:00:34.480 Everybody was talking.
00:00:35.380 They were treating this time before church as kind of a cocktail hour, and so people were
00:00:40.340 gabbing and gossiping and carrying on.
00:00:42.900 Nobody was praying.
00:00:44.380 You look around.
00:00:45.060 There was no prayer anywhere to be found in the church.
00:00:48.600 And that's how it is in a lot of modern churches.
00:00:51.880 There's always noise.
00:00:54.800 Always.
00:00:55.280 There always has to be noise and sounds and never silence, even for a moment.
00:01:02.160 At some point in recent history, we decided that a church is a place that should always
00:01:08.240 be filled with noise, and there must never be silence in a church, when, of course, a church
00:01:13.040 is exactly the place where you should be able to go and get some silence.
00:01:17.580 There needs to be silence in church, because silence facilitates mental prayer, which is
00:01:24.880 something that should be happening in a church.
00:01:26.920 It's part of the whole reason a church exists.
00:01:29.880 Anyway, finally, church started, and the choir or the jam band for Jesus, whatever it was,
00:01:38.320 they played a song that sounded like a cross between kind of a 90s Disney soundtrack and
00:01:45.140 maybe an easy listening favorite that you would find if you scrolled through your aunt's second
00:01:50.840 generation iPod.
00:01:52.680 It wasn't contemporary.
00:01:55.040 It wasn't relevant.
00:01:57.040 It wasn't good.
00:01:59.460 But it also wasn't traditional, and that was the whole point, because tradition is yucky.
00:02:04.560 That's old.
00:02:05.320 We can't have tradition.
00:02:06.260 Anything that existed prior to 1967, we can't have any of that.
00:02:11.820 That's all bad, because it's old.
00:02:14.220 Old things are bad.
00:02:16.380 The singer was, the lead singer of this band was relatively talented, but he carried on
00:02:24.140 like a lead singer of a band, and you got this distinct impression that he was fishing
00:02:32.040 for applause, not that he was worshiping the Lord of the universe.
00:02:36.260 He wasn't, now music and church should be bringing us all into this, you know, reverent
00:02:43.680 state of awe before the sacredness, the holiness of God, right?
00:02:51.060 It should be bringing, it should be this communal experience which elevates us and brings us up
00:02:57.800 towards God.
00:02:58.580 That's what music, that's what church music is supposed to do.
00:03:01.840 It's not supposed to bring us back down to earth.
00:03:04.740 It's not supposed to remind us of the culture.
00:03:07.800 No, it's not supposed to do that.
00:03:09.440 It's not supposed to make us stand in awe of this very talented band.
00:03:14.280 It's not even, you know what, it's not even about bringing us, it's not even about like
00:03:19.500 bonding us with each other, like a campfire song or something.
00:03:23.680 It's all about togetherness and being together.
00:03:26.480 It's not actually what church music is supposed to do.
00:03:28.700 It's about bringing us all towards God.
00:03:32.140 And it certainly did not succeed in doing that at all.
00:03:35.440 And it seems like it wasn't designed to.
00:03:37.620 And a lot of church music these days is really not designed for that.
00:03:41.580 It's not trying to do that.
00:03:43.160 So the pastor, when it was time for him to deliver his sermon, he opened up with a round
00:03:51.300 of jokes, which were not funny, but at least they succeeded in being unserious, which I guess
00:03:56.920 is close enough.
00:03:57.900 And the sermon was jam-packed with youth slang and pop culture.
00:04:02.580 And he mentioned some TV shows and Netflix.
00:04:05.880 He made sports metaphors.
00:04:07.560 He didn't do anything with the metaphors.
00:04:09.820 He just kind of hung them out there so that we could be impressed that he knows about
00:04:14.100 these things.
00:04:15.600 And the reason why, now I've, this whole scene I'm depicting, I've seen things like this
00:04:20.180 a million times.
00:04:21.800 The reason why this one still sticks in my head, even a couple of years later, is because
00:04:27.900 I distinctly remember he made this reference to angry birds.
00:04:34.180 Okay.
00:04:34.640 This was a couple of years ago.
00:04:35.680 But even by then, this was a very dated reference.
00:04:39.820 But, and so I, I just cringing at it like, oh my gosh, but it did the job, I guess, of
00:04:47.280 letting us know that the guy speaking also uses smartphones and, or at least he used a
00:04:52.960 smartphone at some point in the last five years.
00:04:55.960 And I guess the young people in attendance were supposed to go, OMG, he totally gets us.
00:05:02.260 LOL guys.
00:05:03.520 Did you hear him talk about angry birds?
00:05:05.380 Unfortunately, what was left out of his sermon was any semblance of an insight or a challenge
00:05:13.020 or a truth or a call to action or a point.
00:05:17.520 And about halfway in, I turned to look around at my fellow congregants.
00:05:22.520 And do you know what I saw?
00:05:24.240 A lot of empty seats.
00:05:27.120 A disinterested yawn echoed through the halls.
00:05:33.040 And the people who were sitting in the pews, what few of them there were, they looked to
00:05:39.000 be on average about 87 years old.
00:05:41.000 And this was clearly everything I was witnessing from the pop culture references, the sermon,
00:05:48.520 the casual dress, the music, okay.
00:05:51.280 All of the, the irreverence, okay.
00:05:53.680 All of this was designed clearly to appeal to young people.
00:05:57.500 But I looked around and it was, it, it, it looked like a nursing home.
00:06:02.220 I didn't, I was, I was probably the youngest person there by about 50 years.
00:06:06.080 I'll tell you another quick story, a different church, this one closer to me before, beforehand
00:06:13.480 they, they, they, they, a giant projector screen dropped from the ceiling and they played
00:06:21.640 a rap video, okay.
00:06:23.960 A Christian rap video that had, had been, I guess, produced by the church youth group.
00:06:31.260 And it was painful, painful.
00:06:36.880 But I looked around and all the old folks in the church, and it was mostly old folks,
00:06:41.660 they were all smiling.
00:06:43.920 They thought it was really cute.
00:06:45.420 You could tell they were really cute.
00:06:46.640 They could see their grandchildren and they thought it was the cutest thing.
00:06:49.960 As for the younger people, we were all cringing so hard that our faces hurt.
00:06:55.020 You could tell we were all worried that our face would get stuck like this because that's
00:06:58.020 how hard we were cringing.
00:06:59.280 It's one of those cringe moments where you can't even look up.
00:07:02.260 You're just, you just want to shrink into a, you're, you're experiencing secondhand embarrassment
00:07:08.460 to a degree that is just, it's, it's causing physical anxiety in you.
00:07:13.320 One more story.
00:07:14.600 This one, not for me.
00:07:15.920 Someone wrote to me a few weeks ago to tell me about the local non-denominational church
00:07:21.660 that they just left because the pastor had embarked on this mission to win back young
00:07:27.260 people.
00:07:28.400 And this mission apparently involved introducing an electric guitar because, you know, those
00:07:34.800 young people and those electric guitars encouraging people to dress more casually at church and
00:07:40.980 giving sermons on tolerance and racism and injecting, again, pop culture references into
00:07:47.300 them as much as possible.
00:07:49.680 You get the point.
00:07:51.280 The point is that Christian leaders in America, church leaders, have set out to win back young
00:07:56.440 people, to win back the young generation.
00:07:59.580 And they certainly need to do that because the young generation is less religious, more
00:08:04.860 atheistic, more secular than any generation before in American history.
00:08:09.120 But in many cases, in most cases, probably they've set out to win back these lost sheep
00:08:15.580 by trying to be cool and relevant and irreverent.
00:08:20.620 But all this ever succeeds in doing is impressing the aging people in the pews who ruined everything
00:08:27.860 by injecting this garbage into the church in the first place.
00:08:31.520 They're the ones who first decided that the experience at church should resemble your experience
00:08:36.420 at a coffee shop or at a really bad rock concert, okay?
00:08:41.020 This is like my parents' generation.
00:08:44.520 They're the ones who came up with all this.
00:08:47.600 And so even now to this day, they're the only ones impressed by it.
00:08:53.000 The young people are not.
00:08:55.160 They love it.
00:08:56.680 Their kids do not love it.
00:08:58.900 As is clearly evident by the fact that their kids are not going to church.
00:09:03.100 And most of them have left the faith completely.
00:09:07.940 Now, you can kind of understand, right?
00:09:11.180 Because think of what a secular young person, imagine what he would think if he was looking
00:09:19.180 to give Christianity a try and the first service he ever attended was of the type I just described.
00:09:28.240 Now, when he leaves, what would he be thinking?
00:09:31.780 Now, yeah, he won't be offended, so great.
00:09:34.700 You didn't offend him.
00:09:35.500 You didn't scare him.
00:09:36.640 Good for you.
00:09:37.720 But you also didn't impact him.
00:09:40.460 You didn't move him.
00:09:42.760 You didn't energize him.
00:09:45.140 You didn't give him any kind of deeper understanding of the faith at all.
00:09:50.240 Now, he went into church preparing to encounter something deep, holy, challenging, but he probably
00:10:00.000 walked out thinking like, well, what's all the fuss about?
00:10:03.060 What's all the fuss about this Jesus stuff?
00:10:05.200 That was just like, that just looked like something I could find anywhere in the culture.
00:10:09.140 What was the point of that?
00:10:10.760 And this is the problem with Christianity in this country, not just in our church buildings,
00:10:15.500 but everywhere.
00:10:18.060 It has no edge.
00:10:19.860 It has no depth.
00:10:21.480 It has no sense of its own ancient and epic history.
00:10:25.960 There's no sacredness to it.
00:10:27.400 There's no beauty.
00:10:29.660 There's no reverence.
00:10:30.660 There's no pain.
00:10:31.760 There's no sacrifice.
00:10:33.220 All of these things that are in Christianity are not being brought out.
00:10:38.100 And this is what people go to Christianity for.
00:10:41.760 This is what they're expecting.
00:10:43.920 This is what they want when somebody walks, especially a young person who's never been
00:10:48.160 to church, and they walk into a church building.
00:10:50.500 They don't want to see a coffee shop.
00:10:52.300 They've seen a million coffee shops.
00:10:53.760 They want something totally different, but they don't find it.
00:10:58.580 The light of faith grows dimmer in this culture because Christianity has made, because
00:11:03.280 I should say, because the church, the American church, has turned Christianity into something
00:11:09.920 lame and boring.
00:11:12.800 And that is a heck of an accomplishment, really, when you think about it.
00:11:16.840 I mean, to make Christianity into something lame and boring, it's the least lame, the least
00:11:22.560 boring thing in the universe.
00:11:24.560 Yet we have managed to turn it into that.
00:11:27.440 Every branch of the faith has become infected by this.
00:11:30.220 And if we want to understand why Christianity is not winning souls, and especially not winning
00:11:39.180 the younger generation, then we just got to look here.
00:11:42.540 The strategy has been, well, if we want to win back the sheep, if we want to win back the
00:11:47.120 millennial sheep especially, then we have to make Christianity as unchristian as possible.
00:11:52.200 It has to be stripped of its truth, of its sacredness, of its sacrifice, of its morality,
00:11:57.980 of its tradition, of its history, of its hardships, of its joy, of its beauty, of everything.
00:12:05.840 And whatever's left, I mean, it's not going to engage or excite anyone, but at least it
00:12:10.600 won't scare them away.
00:12:11.600 That's the idea.
00:12:14.080 There's even, you know, you find in some cases you have these very old churches, these
00:12:21.280 very old, beautiful churches, which do exist in America.
00:12:26.920 Now, we don't have churches as old or as beautiful as what they have in Europe, but we still have
00:12:32.440 very old, very beautiful churches.
00:12:34.720 And sometimes what you'll find even is that, you know, the church will go through and they'll
00:12:42.560 take away all the beautiful—they'll make an effort.
00:12:45.680 They'll take the effort to make the church less beautiful.
00:12:50.460 They'll take down the art.
00:12:51.900 They'll take everything away, and they'll try to make it less beautiful.
00:12:55.600 They say to themselves, let's make church less beautiful.
00:12:58.160 That's—yeah, because you know what?
00:12:59.160 That's what's scaring people away is the beauty.
00:13:02.060 I mean, this goes in everything.
00:13:04.120 This is—even the way that the new churches are constructed, even the architecture, where they're
00:13:08.640 made to look bland, like office buildings or just like nondescript auditoriums, or from
00:13:14.720 the outside, it looks almost like a DMV office or something like that.
00:13:17.460 I mean, this—even the architecture of churches has changed because they want—it's almost like
00:13:22.620 they want to just blend in with the landscape.
00:13:25.640 They want to blend in with the culture as much as possible.
00:13:28.060 They don't want anyone to know that this is actually a church and that there's something
00:13:32.020 different going on here.
00:13:33.620 The problem is that the church is trying to appeal to the wrong aspect of youth.
00:13:45.640 You know, they see that young people can tend to be irreverent and frivolous and easily
00:13:51.060 distracted and in need of constant stimulation.
00:13:54.100 And so they put forward a Christianity tailored to those qualities.
00:14:01.600 But that's not the aspect of youth that the church should be trying to reach out to, okay?
00:14:10.640 Because young people are also by nature radical, idealistic, hungry for change, hungry for a
00:14:20.040 challenge, revolutionary.
00:14:23.160 Most of the great revolutionaries throughout history have been young people.
00:14:26.600 That's no coincidence.
00:14:28.120 Revolutions are led by the young in every case.
00:14:32.700 You know, revolutions are never led by 50-year-olds.
00:14:35.600 It's always by the young.
00:14:37.500 So it should be no trouble at all to get young people excited about Christianity.
00:14:43.740 They want something radical.
00:14:45.420 They want something revolutionary.
00:14:46.540 Well, Christianity is exactly that.
00:14:49.740 They want change.
00:14:51.580 Christianity can give them exactly that.
00:14:54.140 They want higher ideals to aspire to.
00:14:56.960 Christianity has exactly that.
00:14:59.440 They want excitement.
00:15:00.680 Christianity is the most exciting thing in the universe.
00:15:03.800 I mean, think about it.
00:15:04.460 As Christians, we are fighting a war against the devil himself.
00:15:09.560 We are advancing against the darkest forces of the universe.
00:15:13.380 And we're marching with God on our side.
00:15:16.680 And all the while, all around us, on a dimension that's invisible to our mortal eyes, there are
00:15:21.880 angels and demons and supernatural forces, both good and evil.
00:15:25.540 And they're fighting and they're working to defend and destroy us.
00:15:28.540 And this is all happening all around us.
00:15:30.060 The stakes are infinite.
00:15:31.580 Our souls hang in the balance.
00:15:33.120 We're standing on a battlefield right now as we speak.
00:15:35.860 We are soldiers.
00:15:39.220 The Psalms say, praise be the Lord, my rock, who trains my hands for war.
00:15:44.240 That's what it says in Scripture.
00:15:46.680 Trains my hands for war.
00:15:49.380 This is the feeling and the attitude that our leaders and our churches should be stirring in us.
00:15:53.900 This is the truth of this life and of the faith.
00:15:59.320 It's a ferocious, formidable, terrifying, joyful, beautiful, fantastic, amazing, wonderful truth.
00:16:09.040 It's the truth that the Scripture spends over a thousand pages trying to explain.
00:16:13.340 And it's the truth that should be shouted from the rooftops of every single church in America.
00:16:17.320 That's how you stop the decline of Christianity in America.
00:16:20.080 That's how you attract young people, by just simply telling them the truth.
00:16:26.000 That's all.
00:16:27.520 Move them.
00:16:28.880 Make them feel something.
00:16:30.500 Make them feel anger and fear and longing and sadness and happiness and hope and determination.
00:16:36.320 All of these things.
00:16:37.460 Give them something to aspire to.
00:16:39.480 They want to change.
00:16:41.140 So give them a reason to change.
00:16:43.220 Give them a way to change.
00:16:46.040 That's how you attract the young people.
00:16:47.760 So this should be, you know, the conversation that we should be having in America is, you know,
00:16:56.560 how do we keep the older people still invested in Christianity?
00:17:00.580 How do we keep them?
00:17:02.220 It should be no problem to get the young people on board.
00:17:05.020 This Christianity is something that naturally appeals to them
00:17:08.240 because of its militant, warring, radical nature.
00:17:15.200 And as I said last week, because in it, in the faith, and in Christ, you find identity.
00:17:26.000 And that is the thing, most of all, that young people are looking for.
00:17:31.080 Identity, purpose, challenge, sacrifice.
00:17:34.140 We've got this idea that sacrifice is a dirty word.
00:17:38.440 Nobody wants to do it.
00:17:39.920 No, that's not exactly right.
00:17:41.860 People are looking for a reason to sacrifice.
00:17:45.540 Now, it's not an easy thing to do, but that's the kind of message they want.
00:17:50.060 And when a young person, a secular young person, goes to a church, that's what they're looking to hear.
00:17:55.620 They're looking to hear a challenging message of sacrifice and battle, and that's what they want.
00:18:04.700 It doesn't mean they're going to immediately, you know, convert, but that's what they're interested in hearing.
00:18:11.660 That's the aspect of youth.
00:18:14.900 That is the thing in youthful nature that we should be reaching out to and appealing to.
00:18:23.200 And it should be pretty easy to do.
00:18:26.600 That's how you win back the young people, with the truth.
00:18:30.420 And it is an incredible truth, isn't it?
00:18:33.480 All right.
00:18:34.080 Thanks for listening, everybody.
00:18:35.560 Godspeed.
00:18:35.960 Godspeed.