Ep 301 - Twitter Protects Predators
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What is the best way to deal with the outrage mob? Well, it s not to surrender and collapse into a puddle and give them everything they want, I think it s to ignore them. Also, we discuss the most egregious thing Twitter has ever done, the most blatant example of bias, that a lot of people are ignoring. And finally, Cory Booker fantasizes publicly on camera about punching Donald Trump in the face.
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Today on the Matt Wall Show, we're going to talk about the impotence of the outrage mob.
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What is the best way to deal with the outrage mob? Well, it's not to surrender and collapse
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into a puddle and give them everything they want. I think it's to ignore them. We're going to talk
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about that. Also, we will discuss the most egregious thing Twitter has ever done, the most
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egregious example of bias that I think a lot of people are ignoring, but we should discuss.
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We'll do that today. And finally, Cory Booker fantasizes publicly on camera about punching
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Donald Trump in the face. Just more love and tolerance from the loving and tolerant left.
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We'll discuss that today also on the Matt Wall Show.
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Well, I love this story because it perfectly emphasizes a point that I've been making for
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years. And I love it when I'm proven right, which happens from time to time. A woman by the name of
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Allie Ward visited a Macy's in New York a couple of days ago, and she found these gimmicky little
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plates that have been that have these concentric circles on them with the outer circle saying mom
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jeans. And then the next circle in says favorite jeans. And then the next circle in the smallest
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circle says skinny jeans. And the joke being that if your food makes it out to the mom jeans circle,
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then you've got too much food because you're going to be fat. So you want to, you know, if you want the
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skinny jeans, you got to have that little circle in the middle there. Obviously, it's a joke.
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You know, I don't think it's meant to be taken all that seriously, but for some reason,
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this was offensive. For some inconceivable reason, it's offensive to have these circles on a plate.
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And so Ward tweeted a picture of the plates and then said that she wants to have the plates banned
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in all 50 states. Now, I'm sure the banned thing was, well, I would hope the comment about having
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them banned was hyperbolic, not meant to be taken totally literally. But the point is she was upset
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about the plates. She didn't like the plates. They're bad plates, not good plates. Okay.
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Well, within four hours of that tweet being sent out, four hours, just one person,
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one person complained. And that complaint had less than a thousand retweets.
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Okay. So it was not, it was not like this thing had gone viral or something and 40,000 people had
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retweeted it, just less than a thousand retweets. Just that one complaint, which that hardly anyone
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had noticed. And Macy's responded by saying they were going to remove the product.
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It only took one complaint. Now, on one hand, it's just plates. So who cares? Right. I,
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you know, and I, I, I kind of understand you, you can understand on one level when a company says
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they get a complaint about a product and they say, all right, like, it's not worth the trouble.
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It's just plates. I, you know, I didn't feel like dealing with this. Uh, so we'll just get rid of the
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place. You know, when, when companies act like pushover, um, parents who end up with spoiled
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bratty kids, where they, the every, they just don't feel like fighting about anything or taking
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a stand ever because everything, everything in and of itself seems too petty. So you're just like,
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yeah, whatever you do, do what you want, do what you want. Now as parents, we all do that sometimes.
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And so I understand sometimes when companies do that, where you just, you, you had a long day,
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you're tired. You don't feel like dealing with it. Uh, you know, they want a snack. You said, no,
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they start crying. You're like, fine. Just take the frigging snack, take the snack. Um,
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but the point is, if you do that all the time, you're going to end up with horrible kids.
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And when companies do that all the time, which they do now, companies are so absurdly pathologically
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unreasonably risk averse that any complaint will bring them to their knees and surrender.
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And when they do that, it has the unfortunate, uh, side effect of empowering these whiny morons
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who get offended by plates. And it's probably, I think there's a connection here actually,
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because the kids who grow up with parents who are always saying, fine, whatever you want,
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turn into the kinds of adults who get offended over plates. And they still get the fine,
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whatever you want response. I mean, at a certain point, just on principle,
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someone has to stand up and say, you know what? No, I, whatever. I don't care what you want.
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Yeah. It's just plates who just deal with it. I don't care if you don't like the plates.
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You know what? We're going to sell more of these plates. We're going to put these circles on every
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plate just because you complain. How do you like that? But here's what Macy's now, if it was me and
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I was the head of Macy's, that's probably how I would have responded, which is probably why I'm not
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the head of a major corporation and never will be. That's probably what I would do. If I get a
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complaint, I was like, okay, I'm going to do more of that now. How do you like it now? In fact,
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our whole business now is just going to be selling those plates. But no, here's what Macy could have
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done probably more reasonably is they could have just done nothing. Nothing. Ignore it.
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And you know what the consequences would have been? Nothing. There would have been no consequences,
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not the slightest bit of consequence. The tweet would have got a few more retweets. People would
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have complained. Oh, the plates. I don't like them. It's body shaming. And within like 12 hours,
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24 tops, everybody's moved on. Nobody remembers. Nobody cares. You just do nothing. You ignore these
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whiners and nothing happens. And that's the case with the vast majority of complaints and outrages
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these days. I would say 99% of the time when a company or a person is the target of mass outrage,
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99% of the time, they could simply ignore it and nothing would happen. It won't amount to anything.
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You could just pretend it's not happening. People are outraged about 47 things a day. They don't have
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time to stay focused on just you. They've got another outrage scheduled for two o'clock and they don't want
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to be late. They got to get to it. So just ignore them. You can yawn in their face. Oh, you're upset
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about that? Okay. No apology. No nothing. Just, all right. Okay. I mean, you could be offended.
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That's fine. If you want to be. I'm not going to stop you. All right. Nothing happens. Do you know
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how many times I have trended on Twitter because people are mad at me about something I said? It
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happens all the time. Okay. It happens on a, on a, on a monthly basis at least. And you know what?
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It's never mattered. It's never amounted to anything. I've never apologized. I've never
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backtracked. I've never groveled. I, I honestly, I never have. Even at, even when times, even in times
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when I tweet something and there's a huge outrage and then I go back and I look at it, I say, yeah,
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you know, maybe I, I could have just not said that maybe, but you know what? On principle,
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I'm not going to apologize. I'm just not going to, I don't care. I mean, even if I was wrong,
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I'm not going to apologize because I, because you people, you outraged whiners, you don't deserve
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to hear it. If I owe an apology, I will apologize. I'll apologize into a, I'll say it into a shoebox
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and I'll put a, I'll put a lid on it and I'll just keep that apology in the, in the corner for
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myself because you don't deserve, well, just because you're upset, I have to apologize to you.
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No, yeah. You weren't hurt by it. You're not the, you're not the hurt party. Now, if I've really
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hurt something, if I have hurt a particular person, if I've done damage to a particular person, then yes,
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I should apologize. But just because you happen to be upset about something when you're not even
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really upset, it's just your, it's performative. And I'm going to come out and say, I'm so sorry,
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please. No, I don't care. No, I'm not going to never. That's what companies should do.
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I maybe have more to say about this. And there's a lot to talk about today, actually, but before I
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the last weight program you're ever going to need. All right. Uh, just fixing my collar here. All right.
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Professional operation. Okay. Um, I will, I think I made my point on the outrage thing. Maybe we'll
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move on for that. But, uh, I just, I do think that it's, it's so, it's, I just wish people would
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understand this, that most of the time you can just ignore one of my, one thing I'll never forget. I
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remember the time when, uh, I tweeted something and it, it, people were upset about it. I don't even
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remember what it was, but people were outraged. And, but then I went on a kind of a mini vacation.
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And so I didn't check my phone for three days when I came back. Um, and I went online, I saw sort of
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the remnants of a past outrage that had since passed, that long since passed, you know, it went
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on for a day or two and people moved on. So the great thing was I said this thing, people were crying
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about it yet. I was out fishing completely oblivious to it. And, uh, I come back and they've all moved
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on. And so I see it and I say, Oh, okay. All right. Well, so that happened. It's just, think about
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all these people wasting their time being upset at you, mad at you while you just don't care.
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You know, powerful, you know, empowering that is. You want to talk about empowering. That's empowering.
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People are so used to when people, you know, someone gets upset, you start cowering, you
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surrender. It's actually an opportunity for you to feel, to be empowered. When you have all,
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it seems like everyone is so upset and they're crying and you just don't care. You have no power
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over me. You've none. Your, your outrage amounts to nothing. How does that feel? Cry about it some more.
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All right. Um, let me say, I don't want to, I don't want to, here's a topic we talked about last
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yesterday. Um, I don't want to leave it just yet because I think it's important and it may be a
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threshold kind of story where as a society, we either draw a line finally and retreat back into
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some semblance of sanity, or we cross the line, we cross the threshold and we give ourselves up
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irretrievably irrevocably to full-fledged insanity. Um, I think this issue is, is, is that maybe,
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and this is the issue of the man who goes by the name, Jessica, you need, identifies as a woman,
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um, allegedly. And I'm not even sure if I believe actually that he, I think there are a lot of
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transgender people, um, men who identify as women and are confused. You know, they have a mental
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illness. Um, and so of course they're not really women, but they might actually think it because
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they, they suffer from a delusion. I also think inevitably you're going to have some men who,
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who aren't even confused. I mean, they know what they are. They're just pretending to be confused.
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They're pretending to identify as something that they don't identify as in any way, shape, or form.
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I think potentially that's what's happening here with Jessica, you need based on, uh, what we found
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out about this gentleman. So, but this is the guy that's in Canada. He's, he's, as we talked about
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yesterday, he's suing, uh, various salons in Canada for, for refusing to wax his testicles.
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These salons only do Brazilians for women. Doing it for a man is a totally different procedure,
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different thing, different wax, different, different equipment. They don't do it for men,
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but he insists that they do it for him because he claims to be a woman, even though he's not one.
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He's trying to use the power of the state essentially to force their hands down his pants,
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which is sexual assault, no matter how you slice it. And that's why this guy, before we even get
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into the specifics about him, uh, we know this guy's a predator because he is trying to legally
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sexually assault women, which is self-evidently ridiculous. Of course, um, nobody has a moral
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right to anyone else's labor. Least of all, do you have the moral right to the labor of a professional
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genital waxer? And even less than that, do you have the right to the labor of a professional
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genital, genital waxer who specializes in waxing the genitals of the opposite sex?
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Um, as I mentioned yesterday, the post-millennial, uh, publication in Canada has done a, has been on
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top of this. They've, they've done a deep dive into you need social media postings and leaked text
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messages and chat room, uh, messages and so on. And what they discovered is revolting predictably.
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So, uh, you need is a, for one thing is a proud bigot where he's complained about dirty immigrants who
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are liars and they make things miserable. He said, that's one of the reasons he joined a female gym
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is because there are too many immigrants at the male gym. Now that's kind of interesting, isn't it?
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Because he says that he's a woman. And so if you're really a woman, then you don't need to cite your
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anti-immigrant beliefs as a reason to join a woman's gym. You think you would just join it because you're
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a woman, but no, he, his reason, at least part of his reason is that he wants to avoid the dirty
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immigrants according to him. Um, so he clearly has ulterior motives for joining a women's gym,
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which he admits to what are his ulterior motives for wanting to be in women's bathrooms and locker
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rooms. Well, um, I outlined some of this yesterday and the post-millennial should shed some light on
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it. You need in posts and messages has, uh, has I think made it clear what his ulterior motives are.
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And there's too many for me to read them all. Um, you know, he's, he's talked about, he's,
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he's wondered about how many, um, naked women he's going to get to see. He's, he's, he's asked people
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about this basically like how many, you know, how many, um, uh, breasts using a different phrase is
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he, is he going to be able to see he's talked about, he's shown this weird preoccupation with
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girls on their periods, wondering if he's ever going to have the chance to help a girl with her
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tampon. Um, all kinds of stuff like that. He is trying to organize. Um, oh, nothing. I don't think
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I mentioned yesterday. He showed up at a hotel where a bunch of young girls had arrived for a
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beauty pageant. They're doing a beauty pageant for young girls. This dude shows up and starts taking
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pictures of the girls. And this was so disturbing that the organizer of the event, a woman by the
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name of Charlotte Millington, uh, she was so frightened by his behavior and his presence that
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she threatened to call the cops if he ever showed up there again. And his response to that on Twitter
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was LOL. He laughed at her. Um, he's also trying to set up in a, a, um, an event at a local pool
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for LGBTQ youths, 12 and over. And he specified two things that at this event, the 12 and over
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children can go topless. And second, that no parents will be allowed. So this is a grown man
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who wants to gather with children, with, with half nude children at a pool without their parents
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present. I mean, what else do you need to know? That is just his motivations are blatantly clear.
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He could not be clearer about it. So to put it bluntly, Yaniv is a disgusting creep, um, and a
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predator and just a monstrous. I, I, well, just a monster. We'll leave it there. We went, we went over
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most of that yesterday. Here's the thing I want to focus on today because attached to this story, I
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think is by far the most egregious thing Twitter has ever done. Now we know about the biases of, of
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these social media giants. We know about the things that Facebook has done. Twitter has done
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to, um, discriminate against conservatives and all of that. This I think is the worst example,
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by far the worst example. And, uh, Twitter has not gotten nearly as much backlash over this as they
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should because Twitter is going out of its way to protect someone who is clearly a predator and likely
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a danger to children. Two women, Megan Murphy and Lindsay Shepard have been banned permanently from
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Twitter for standing up to this guy, Yaniv. Two women have been shut down, silenced for the sake of this
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pervert. It's incredible. The first was Megan Murphy. Now months ago, Megan Murphy, back in the fall of
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2018, Murphy was calling attention to the fact that Yaniv is a disgusting predatory, predatory, a pervert
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talking about these messages and his behavior and everything. Um, she correctly labeled him a man
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while doing so. And so she was banned. Murphy, by the way, is a feminist and she and I probably
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disagree on every conceivable issue except for this one, but she is brave enough and lucid enough to see
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the truth with this transgender stuff and to say so. And so she was silenced for it. Now I, you know,
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this is something I've been saying for a while that, um, feminists generally, I mean, the transgender
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agenda is an intensely inherently anti-feminist agenda. Everything feminists have worked for is being undone
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by these men in dresses, uh, claiming to be women. Some feminists are realizing that and are saying, now,
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hold on a second, we were really, we're going to, we're going to just forfeit everything we've worked
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for all this time. All of our arguments, we're going to toss them out the window because a small
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percentage of confused men want to wear dresses and enter the women's room. We're really going to
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give it all up for them. Some feminists have said that, uh, Megan, um, Murphy being one of them, but,
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but the reason why more don't say it. And I think almost all of them know the truth. I mean,
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almost all of them feel in their, in their hearts and probably say to each other in private,
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how crazy this is. But the reason more of them don't say it publicly is because of this. Megan
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Murphy was her, her platform was taken from her permanently. Even that is not egregious as what
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happened last week. Lindsay Shepard, free speech activist, um, obviously a woman, real woman.
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Uh, she got into a back and forth with Ghaniv over all this stuff and she was calling him out.
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He came back by mocking her and accusing her of having a quote, quoting from him,
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loose vagina. Um, and, and then he said that, uh, that, that he, he, he claimed that, that his,
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he talked about, he referred to his own genitalia, um, claiming to have female genitalia,
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which of course he doesn't and said that, uh, his was not loose. Okay. I'm trying not to be
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graphic, but I, I, I need you to understand what this guy, how disgusting this guy is and what he
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actually said to this woman. So that, that was his first comment. She responds. His next response
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is making fun of her for a condition that Shepard has called a, uh, septate, uh, or septate uterus,
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which causes, which is a, it's, it causes a sort of a separation of the uterus. It's a,
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a lining in the uterus, uh, that kind of separates it. Um, and it causes miscarriages and other problems.
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Well, you need mocked her again in a sexually degrading way for this condition and said that
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Trump built a wall in her uterus, uh, uh, referring to this condition she has. So Shepard responded by
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saying, well, at least I have a uterus, you ugly fat man. Okay. Well, her comments are completely
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accurate. He is in fact an ugly fat man. Um, and as I said, a monstrous predatory pervert,
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um, but also importantly, she is responding to sexually degrading, explicit sexist insults from
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a male predator. I think about this. He, he, he, he, he crawled, he, uh, checked every box here with
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this, with this comment. It's ableist in that he's making fun of her for a condition for a disability.
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Essentially it's sexist because he is making fun of her in a sexually degrading way. Um, it is,
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it's, it's, uh, you know, harassing. It's everything. I mean, this is everything that
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Twitter says you're not supposed to do. And what happens? She gets banned permanently and he's still
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on Twitter. Not only is he on Twitter, but he's on Twitter advocating for things like, um, half nude
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swim events without parents, uh, uh, for children and himself. I mean, he is using his platform to,
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to prey on people, not to mention harass and, and, uh, insult women. Twitter bans the women who stand
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up to him, silences them. And, uh, and in order to keep this guy on, I mean, it's, this is
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for the third time, I think is the worst example of, of bias by Twitter. It is so
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absolutely indefensible. There is just no defense for this. I mean, the most,
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the most you could defend would be banning both of them. Now I, if it were up to me,
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I would ban this predator and I would definitely keep both of those women around, uh, uh, because
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they're defending themselves and standing up to a bully, which they have every right to do.
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I mean, you know, honestly with this guy, with the way he's acting, with the way he's talking to women,
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Lindsay Shepard's response to him, totally appropriate, totally right. Like you ugly fat man,
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shut up. You're not, you're not one of us. I'm a, I'm actually a woman. You're not you poser.
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That is exactly the appropriate response. Exactly. And they were shut down. I mean,
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Twitter has to answer for this at least they, and they haven't, but they need to provide some
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give, give us an explanation, explain to us, Twitter, why that woman is gone, but this guy's
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allowed to stay given the things that he's been saying, explain that to us. They couldn't possibly
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do it. Um, and look, if you know, I, I'm, I'm, as I said, I know this guy's a predator based simply
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already on the fact that he's trying to force women to touch his genitals by law. That makes
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him a predator in my book. Um, we've seen some of his, uh, messages and harassing, and the harassing
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that he's done that makes him a predator, whether or not he's actually done anything in the real world
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illegal. I don't know, but I'll put it this way. I wouldn't let my children within 50 yards of this
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guy. And, uh, if my daughter was in the bathroom and this dude walked in to that bathroom, we're
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going to have serious problems. But the point is, you know, if anything ever were to happen
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or does happen or has happened and Twitter has been protecting this guy and giving him a platform
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and, and, and not only that, but shutting down people who call attention to it. I think Twitter
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has put itself in, uh, not just moral hot water, but legal hot water. So this is something that I
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think we, we need to be talking about. And when we talk about bias in social media, this should be
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our first example. And we should continue talking about it until at the very minimum Twitter provides
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us, uh, with a justification. All right, let's see. Um, Corey Booker was on, uh, was on, um,
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I even forget the guy's name. This guy is, is, is just so devoid of, of personality and so humorless
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that I can't even, the late night guy. Uh, the one that's, I think after Fallon, Seth,
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what's his name? I really can't remember his name. Seth, uh, not McFarlane. No, Seth, not green.
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Seth, what is it? Now it's going to bug me. Anyway, I mean, but this, this guy, I honestly,
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I don't understand how this guy has a late night show. I've tried a few times to watch it and this
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isn't a political thing. It's not just that he complains about Trump all the time. That bothers me. I
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don't care if people complain about Trump personally, but he just, he's never done anything
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funny or said anything funny. I mean, it's just, there's nothing funny about this guy and he's got
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a late night show anyway. Um, so Booker went on with this, uh, with this Seth, one of the Seths
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and watch, watch what Booker had to say. In all seriousness, insofar as, as we talk about politeness,
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which will be an interesting thing in this campaign going forward, uh, you talk about civic grace
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and you talk about courageous empathy. Can you speak a little bit to what you mean by those ideas
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and also the difficulty in expressing those in practicing those at a time where the opponent
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will likely not. Yeah. I mean, look, I was running on a Iowa stage and we were so psyched hundreds of
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people there. I'm about to jump up and this guy sees me, the former tight end from Sanford university.
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He's a big guy. He puts his arm around me and he goes, dude, I want you to punch Donald Trump in
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the face and I stop in my tracks and I go, dude, that's a felony, man. And, and, you know,
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the, the, the, this, Donald Trump is a guy who you understand he hurts you and you, and my
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testosterone sometimes makes me want to, uh, feel like punching him and, uh, which would be bad for
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this elderly out of shape man that he is. I did that. Um, uh, physically, physically weak
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but you see what I'm talking there. Even that that's his tactics and you don't beat a bully
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like him fighting him on his tactics, on his terms, using his turf. He's the body shamer.
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He's the guy that shows, tries to drag people in the gutter. And I, this is a moral moment in America.
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And to me, what we need from our next leader, especially after the time of moral vandalism that
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we're in right now is we need a leader. That's not going to call us to the worst of who we are,
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but call us to the best of who we are. Seth Meyers. Okay. That's what I just, I looked it up
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while that was blank. So Seth Meyers on Seth Meyers. Now I, I love that clip because it's just so phony.
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You see the, the phoniness of it where, I mean, in, in the span of like 60 seconds,
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booker transitions from body shaming Donald Trump by calling him elderly and out of shape and a weak
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specimen. I mean, if that, if that's not body shaming, then there, then body shaming doesn't
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exist. That's body. So he goes from body shaming the guy and saying he wants to punch him to like
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10 seconds later saying that Donald Trump is the only one who body shames. Uh, that's his thing.
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You know, we're not gonna, it's like, I want to punch him in the face. This, uh, this, this old
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fat man. I want to, I want to punch this old fat man in the place in the face. Uh, but I'm not going
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to because, you know, he's the one who body shames and is violent. I would never do that.
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How dare you body shame you old, fat, miserable lump of clay. That was essentially his message.
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And, uh, and they get away with it. Of course, Seth, I forgot his name already. Seth didn't call
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him out on that. They never get called out on it. Amazing. All right. Let's move on to, uh, emails
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at a couple of good ones here. I want to leave a little time for it. Matt Walsh show at gmail.com
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is from shame. Hey, Mr. Walsh. Uh, I hope your Sunday is going, is going well. I saw someone
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that looked exactly like you at mass today. He had a beard glasses look to be out six feet tall.
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However, I knew it wasn't you because he exited mass when he exit mass. He didn't go in his car
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and yell into a camera for 20 minutes. So that gave away the imposter. Just wanted to let you know,
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there's a guy in Delaware trying to steal your identity to, uh, so be wary with that knowledge.
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I hope you have a nice day. You know, I get emails like this all the time from people
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saying that they saw someone who looks like me. There are, these are all imposters. There are people
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who are clearly trying to steal my identity. And even if they just so happen to look like me,
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it's not intentional. Um, they still are stealing my identity. And I think it's, it, it's up to them.
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It's their responsibility to do something, to change their appearance. Uh, whether they want to like,
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let's say cut themselves in a face, give themselves a huge scarge. And I mean, it's like, I'm not going
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to, whatever they want to do, but I think it's up to them. It's their moral responsibility
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because this is my, this is me. I look like this. Uh, it's, I don't think it's fair for anyone else
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to look how I look, you see? Uh, so I think it's up to them to do something like cut off an arm for
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instance. So that, you know, I mean, they could, they could be the one arm mat. It's up to them.
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But yeah, I'm not, I'm just throwing out suggestions. Um, all right. This is from Brianna
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says, I'm a new listener to your podcast. Love your sarcastic and cynical humor. How dare you
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accuse me of being cynical. Four years ago, I was a radical feminist who believed the Republican
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party was identical to the KKK. I would have called you racist, homophobic, all the phobics,
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and basically every horrible word in the feminist new dictionary. However, um, during my time
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in college, which I know is strange, my mind changed. I began questioning if I ever had a
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unique thought or if I was just repeating garbage. I heard I converted to Catholicism.
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My family's atheist and then became pro-life after reading the science and seeing that it was truly
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a baby. I began to question transgenderism. The problem is I feel like a fraud. Whenever I visit
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my friends, they're, they're all like me four years ago. They truly believe CNN is an unbiased news
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source. Hillary Clinton is honest and abortion is needed for women to get ahead somehow.
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They knew me before I changed and grew as a person, but I love them as friends and I have
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so many memories with them. How can I come out to them as a conservative, um, uh, come out to them
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as a conservative. I used to be, I used to behave very badly towards conservatives and I am afraid
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of the backlash and verbal assault. Also playing the victim card. I recently got my victim license.
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I am a mixed race, Mexican and Middle Eastern women, woman whose father was a refugee and mother
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an immigrant. So you can only imagine the array of questions and verbal assaults that I will get if I say
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anything good about conservatism. I mean, you, I mean, you've got some cards there to play. Um,
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so that's, but you know, we taught and I'm sure you've noticed this, Brandon, but, uh, when I talk
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about the, the victim cards and the victim hierarchy, the thing is, it's just sort of, it should be
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understood. It goes without saying that all of that only applies to liberals. And in fact, the interesting
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thing is, and again, probably you've noticed this. If you, you know, someone like yourself, mixed race,
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refugee father, immigrant mother, woman, if you're as a feminist, as a liberal, you had a ton of victim
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cards to play. Um, you weren't at the top. Uh, I mean, you didn't say if, you know, there, there are
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levels above you, but then when you change and you become conservative, everything kind of flips over
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and you actually end up below white men and on the left, you're seen as a greater enemy, even than me
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as a straight white Christian male, because there's the added, um, thing of where you're viewed as a
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traitor. So that's, what's interesting. And so, um, and you know, I, I, I, I don't even mean to make a
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joke of it because that is actually what happens to women and to minorities who don't follow the party
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line, so to speak. And so I can understand why you're, um, why you're hesitant. But what I would
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say is this, um, you know, I, I have friends, I've always basically been a crazy right-wing
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nut job, but so my friends, even from back in, in the old days, you know, back by friends I knew in
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high school who I still keep in touch with, uh, they already knew that about me. But, but even some
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of those friends are some of them very liberal, in fact, and we disagree about pretty much everything.
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But the way I look at, we still get along, um, and, uh, get along well, I think. And the way I look at
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it is, um, even as we both continue to change and so on, but the way I look at it is, is, you know, if,
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if you changing your mind about something in an intellectually honest way, even if they disagree,
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the fact is you've been thinking about these issues, you've come to a different conclusion.
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If they can't accept that, um, if they're going to hate you for that, then they're not, they were
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never really friends to begin with. It's just, they were kind of these default people who you happen
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to gravitate towards each other because you were similar. And that's not really a friendship. I don't
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think friendships are built solely on similarities. I think friendships are deeper than that. And so if
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there is, so it's kind of a good test actually, that, um, you tell them how you actually feel,
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you talk about it. If they're not interested in talking about it, they don't want to be around
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you. They don't want to see you. They reject you. Then that's a good test. And you see that there
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was never that deeper thing, that actual real friendship that, that was bonding you together.
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And so you're not losing much. I know that's not much of a solace, not much consolation when you're
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losing people who you've known a long time and you're, you know, your, your, your whole life is sort of
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shifting and all of that. It's not much consolation, but it is true. At least, you know, that,
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that if you do lose friends over it, you didn't really lose friends because they weren't to begin
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with. Um, but I congratulate your, um, courage and, uh, and also your just intellectual honesty
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to actually think about these issues and, and be willing to change your mind. I have so much respect
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for people that can do that because so many other people on both sides are unwilling, will not do it,
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can't do it, will never do it. And so the fact that you do and have and will, um, is I think,
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uh, really great. All right. This is from Daniel, big fan of the show. You recently did a mailbag
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segment and answered a question about the ontological argument for the existence of God.
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You answered that existence is not a predicate and therefore renders the argument invalid.
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I would like to offer a rebuttal to this. Although it is accurate to say that the existence,
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that existence is not a predicate that doesn't actually affect the argument because the thing
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in question is not merely existence, but necessary existence, an attribute that only a maximally great
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being could possess. As such, a few implications follow these implications, which when stated as
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premises in a syllogism, uh, form the current iteration of the argument. It is just, it just so happens
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that St. Anselm's version has been supplanted by Alvin Plantinga and is constructed as follows.
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One, God is by definition, the greatest conceivable being. Two, if such a maximally great being is even
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possible, then it exists in some possible world. Three, if it exists in some possible world, then it
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exists in every possible world by the necessity of its own nature. Four, if it exists in every possible
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world, then it exists in the actual world. Five, if it exists in the actual world, then it exists.
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I know you think it sounds like a too-good-to-be-true argument by the way you so cavalierly dismiss it
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as an attempt to conjure God in a word game, quote-unquote, but the premises are purely
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deductive. They follow from each, uh, from each other inescapably and no atheist has ever been able
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to refute them. For example, William Lane Craig has been using the argument for decades and even his
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most formidable opponents seem to only be able to dismiss it in the same manner without actually
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addressing any of the premises. All right. Um, you know, I've gotten a lot of email about the
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ontological argument. I didn't realize it's, it's so popular. I, I, I, so that's been news to me.
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That's been interesting. Apparently this is a popular argument. A lot of Christians like it. I still don't.
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I don't think I, I apparently didn't do a very good job of explaining why I don't like it. Let me try
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again. Um, obviously it goes without saying, I agree with the conclusion. Number six, therefore
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God exists. I agree with that part, but I don't think the argument works. I don't think the argument
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gets you there. I don't think the argument proves the conclusion and I'll try to explain why.
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Now, obviously if I can prove that there are problems with any of your premises,
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then I've proven that the argument as constructed is invalid. I mean, obviously your conclusion,
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uh, flows from the premises. And if the premises don't work, then the conclusion is, is, then the
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argument is invalid, even if the conclusion is ultimately correct. So, um, let's go through this
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first premise. God is by definition, the greatest conceivable being. We already have a problem. Uh, I,
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I think you've got a problem there. I think we could stop right there really, because
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is that the definition of God? I mean, that's your definition. That's my definition. Um,
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I believe that's what God is, but there are other plausible and logical definitions of God.
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So in order for this argument to work, you are assuming a definition of God that works for your
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argument, but that's not the only definition. You need everyone to just accept that definition
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for the argument to work. But first you have, but you have to prove it first and you haven't done that.
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You've got a whole other argument you have to make to prove that God is the greatest conceivable
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being, which is a problem because you're trying to prove the definition of something that you
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haven't yet proven exists in the first place, yet you need it to be defined in order to prove that
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it exists. And so you have a circular argument. You have the, you're going in circles here.
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There are plausible, logical, possible definitions of God that do not include things like omniscience,
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omnipotence, um, perfect morality, you know, all good, all loving, and so on. There are plausible,
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possible definitions of God that don't include those things. In fact, it is plausible, though I
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don't believe this, uh, or I should say, uh, possible. It is possible that God is inferior to
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his creation in certain ways. That is a possible definition. Now, when I say possible, I think,
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you know, that I say possible in the, in a strictly philosophical sense, I say possible in the same
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way that I would say it's possible that unicorns exist. They don't exist, but it's possible. It's
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not logically impossible. So that's what, in a philosophical sense, just to clarify for anyone
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who's confused, when I say it's possible that God is inferior, God is not all powerful, and so on,
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I'm not saying that I believe that or that I think it's likely or, or, or anything. I'm just saying
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that it's, it's not logically impossible. So a God who is not all powerful is not the same as an
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unmarried bachelor. An unmarried bachelor is logically impossible. A, a, a God who is limited
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in his power is not logically impossible. Uh, maybe the deists are right, and God is a force that just
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got the ball rolling and then sat back and does nothing now. I mean, maybe God got the ball rolling
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and then disappeared and doesn't exist anymore. I mean, um, in that case, he's, he's not omniscient,
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not omnipotent, doesn't need to be, certainly doesn't need to be all loving, probably isn't if
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the deists are right. Um, there could, in that case, be beings in the universe who are more loving,
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more knowledgeable than God, possibly even more powerful than God. I mean, the, in order for,
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at the, at the most basic definition, the only thing God needs to be able to do is get the ball
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rolling on the universe. It's, it's, he doesn't need to have any other powers aside from that.
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Um, maybe the Greeks were right and God is a, is a pretty powerful being, but he's also petty and
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jealous and kind of stupid sometimes and not all knowing. Um, in which case, uh, you know, you,
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you could argue that a, a, a virtuous human being is greater than God, at least in some sense,
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maybe the pantheists are right. And God is just a force like, like love, you know, an abstraction.
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I don't believe any of that, but I think your argument fails because you've ruled out those
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possibilities to begin with, without proving that they should be ruled out. Um, premise two,
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you say, if such a maximally great being is even possible, then it exists in some possible world.
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The problem is that you haven't defined exists. Okay. Does love exist? It doesn't exist as a thing.
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It isn't a person. It's an, it's a sort of abstract concept. Uh, it's a force. Okay. What if love is
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God? Um, what if the universe is bound together by the energy of love or some such crap, something
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like that? I mean, some, something that some new age moron would say it's not, it's not, it's not
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logically impossible. Premise three, uh, you say, if it exists in some possible world, then it exists in
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every possible world by the necessity of its own nature. We've got a big problem here. I don't see
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how you've proven that God is necessary by his nature just because he's a conceivable being who
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is perfectly great, though, not necessarily perfectly great as I've established. I don't
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see how that proves that he's necessary. I think you've just kind of snuck that into the premise
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without proving it. I mean, I think if, if an atheist, if you're, if you're trying to presenting
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this to an atheist, I think he could stop you right there and say, why is he necessary? What do you
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mean? Just because he's, even if I accept that God, by definition is the greatest possible being
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that doesn't make him necessary. Um, it doesn't make him necessary for reality to exist.
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Uh, the premise is an assertion that also needs to be proven unless you're defining greatness in part as
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necessity, you know, a perfectly great being has to also be necessary for reality, but that's special
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pleading. You're just, you're, you're putting your argument into the definition. It seems like
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you're doing that all over the place with all these premises. You're, you're just supplanting
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assumptions from your conclusion into all of these arguments, which you can't do. It's not,
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it's not valid. It's not a valid way of arguing. Um, so it seems for this argument to work,
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you've assumed, you've asserted from the get-go without proving it, that God is both maximally
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great and necessary. Circular, I think. Um, now I see what you've done here or, or what planting has
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done. You've subbed out the whole bit about how God's greatness means, uh, uh, you know,
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he must exist because it's greater to exist than not exist. That, that was Anselm's, uh,
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formulation, which is what I responded to. So you've gotten rid of that. Um, but instead you,
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and instead you said, well, he's necessary by his nature, but again, you haven't proved that he's
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necessary by his nature. You've dropped that into the premise without proving it. So I think you
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need to stick with the assertion with Ansel's assertion that a great being must exist because
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it's greater to exist than not exist. And that's where you get the necessity from, but that doesn't
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work because it does treat existence as a feature, as a trait. And it assumes that existence is
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necessarily greater than non-existence, which it probably is, but I, you know, you've got to define
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the word great, which you haven't done. I mean, at a minimum, before you begin this argument,
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you've got to, what do you mean by great? Um, I mean, is it possible for something that doesn't
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exist to be greater than something that does? I, I, I mean, I don't know. I, you could potentially
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make that argument and that argument also doesn't work because, uh, because of, because it, it can be
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used to prove the existence of literally anything. Let me show you what I mean. Using most of your
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argument, um, only taking out the necessity bit and putting in Anselm's formulation, because I think
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that's the only way this works. So, but, but, but it doesn't work because of this. Num, premise one,
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um, a superhuman basketball player is by definition, the greatest conceivable basketball player. He can,
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for instance, hit every shot. He's got a 100% shooting percentage. I think we can all agree
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that a, the greatest conceivable basketball player at a minimum can hit every shot.
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Two, if such a maximally great basketball player is even possible, then it exists in some possible
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world. And it is possible. It's not logically impossible that you could have a guy that hits
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every single shot, even from a hundred miles away. It's not logically impossible. Three,
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if it exists in some possible world, then it exists in every possible world because it is greater to
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exist than not exist. Plus you can't really hit a jump shot if you don't exist. Number four,
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if it exists in every possible world, then it exists in the actual world. Five, if it exists in the
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actual world, then it exists. Six, therefore the NBA better go find this guy. Um, uh, you know,
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because he's so far gone undrafted. Is that a reducto ad absurdum argument? Well, you're absolutely
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right. Of course it is. Uh, and, and, and that's a problem. You know, if I, if I can use your argument
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intact to prove things that we all know are not true, like for instance, that a basketball player
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with a hundred percent shooting percentage exists, that means your argument is flawed. It doesn't mean
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your conclusions flawed. It means your argument, the way you got there is flawed. And I mean,
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you could sub in, I mean, really anything you could use this argument to prove anything. Unless
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again, you're setting the argument up in such a specific way that it could only possibly apply
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to God. And that it, that you're setting it up so that this form of argumentation is invalid
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when applied in any other circumstance, but that is special pleading. You're, you're setting up the
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argument specially so that it only will prove your conclusion. There's one last problem here that
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I'll mention just as kind of a warning. Okay. If you're going to try this against atheists,
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here's another thing that's going to happen. Um, even if they let you get away with the whole bit
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in premise one, where you're saying God is maximally great by definition. He's all knowing. He's all,
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you know, he's omniscient, omnipotent, all good. I'll, you know, uh, all of that. Um,
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let's say they accept that. Well, they're the next step, if they're smart is they're going to say,
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well, hold on a second. Cause then you go for to premise two and you say that, um, uh, if,
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if such a being is even possible to existence on possible world, what they're going to say is,
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well, that being is not possible. Actually, that's an impossible being not, not that, um,
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that, you know, there could be some version of a God that's possible, but that particular version
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that you're using here is not possible because it's a logical contradiction. And what they'll say
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is that omniscience and omnipotence are logically contradictory because if a being knows everything,
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um, if he's omniscient, then he knows what he's going to do in the future. If he's omnipotent,
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then he can do anything. But if he's omniscient, he knows what he's going to do in the future,
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which means he can't not do the thing he knew he was going to do, which means he's not omnipotent.
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And if he can really do anything and make any choice at any moment, then he's not omniscient.
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Now that, to me, that argument, obviously I'm a theist, so I don't think that argument
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disproves God. It is an interesting argument. Um, it's an argument you better have an answer for
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and a good one because you're walking right into that. Uh, now, you know, I, I think we're getting
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into areas where it's just beyond our comprehension as human beings, but you can't, see, here's the
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thing. I, that's my belief. I think it's beyond our comprehension. You can't do that. If you're
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trying to make a logical argument, if you're trying to play this game on a philosophical level
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and an atheist comes back with something like that, you can't say, well, yeah, it's fine. It's
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beyond our comprehension. You can't do that. You can't just say, well, this part's your objections
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are beyond our comprehension. Let's move forward with my logical argument. You can't do that.
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Um, so you better have an answer. Maybe you have an answer. I don't, you know, I'm, I've thought
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about that question a lot. I don't exact. Now, uh, I think the answer you might go with is you might
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say, well, he's outside of time and space, so there is no going to do, you know, God is all now,
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all action, all present. Uh, there is no, it's not like he's looking into the future and knows what he's
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going to do. Then the problem is that you have just said that God exists outside of time and
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space. And so the next question is going to be, well, if something is outside of time and space,
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by definition, it doesn't exist, you know, provide a definition of existence that could include the
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possibility of not being in time or space. Um, and that's going to be a difficult challenge as well.
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So, uh, uh, which again, I think you could do, but you better have an answer for it. Uh, a good one.
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If you want this to work. So there's a lot of stuff you got to sort through before you can even
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get to this argument. And then I think once you've got gotten there, you still have problems.
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And that's why, um, I just don't think it works. I think it's the kind of theistic argument,
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if I could say so, that is impressive to theists. We like it because it sounds smart,
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but I don't think you're going to find many atheists who are impressed by it.
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Uh, and ultimately if you're making a logical argument for God, then who are you making it
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for? I mean, you're not making it for yourself, right? Unless you're trying to convince yourself,
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you're making it for people who don't believe. So, you know, it's got to be compelling to them.
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And, um, for all the reasons I've stipulated, I don't think it is. All right. That was a very long
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discussion of that. Uh, we will leave it there. Thanks for everybody for watching. Godspeed.
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