Ep. 309 - The Courage To Be Sane
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Summary
Mario Lopez said that three-year-olds can't choose their own gender, and he has since cowardly apologized for it. Is it racist to have white robots? And is it possible to create a human-monkey hybrid? We'll discuss that and more on this week's Matt Walsh Show.
Transcript
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Today on the Matt Wall Show, we're going to hit some stories we missed from the week, starting with Mario Lopez.
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He said that three-year-olds can't choose their own gender, and he's since cowardly apologized for it.
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So we're going to discuss the need in our culture for not just sanity, but also courage, which is sorely lacking in so many cases.
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Also, is it racist to have white robots? CNN has asked that very important question.
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And scientists are trying to create a human-monkey hybrid.
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We'll discuss the many moral problems with that today on the Matt Wall Show.
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So a scientist writing in Psychology Today has written an article, and he's saying that when we first—this is what he's arguing.
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He's saying when we first meet aliens, we may have to kill them in the name of scientific progress so that we can dissect them.
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And he wrote this article, and he published it on the Internet.
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So you just announced to the aliens your plans to kill them.
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Now, considering these waves go out into space, they can be seen by the aliens, I would just like to make it clear that I oppose the plan to kill aliens.
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So just keep that in mind to our future alien overlords when they do come.
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Today, Friday is—I think it's going to be my chance to go back through the week and hit some of the stories that I didn't get a chance to talk about, mainly because of the stupid debates.
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But there were several interesting items, aside from dissecting space aliens, that I think are worth talking about.
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And we're going to start with this, which, surprisingly enough, I didn't discuss during the week.
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And that is Mario Lopez, the cautionary tale of Mario Lopez.
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As you've no doubt heard by now, Lopez ended up in the left's crosshairs this week for—and this is an outrage, by the way, that has not subsided for him.
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I just read an article just published, I think last night, on NBC News, blasting Mario Lopez.
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The reason why they're upset is because Lopez, in an interview that I think was actually back in June, which only now, for whatever reason, got everyone's attention,
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he made the extraordinary claim, extraordinary correct claim, that three-year-olds are psychologically incapable of choosing their own gender.
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So he—now, he was on the Candace Owens show when he said this.
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I want to read what he actually said, because it's very important that he did stipulate three-year-olds in what he said.
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And it's important for us to realize that when we look at all the outrage and everything.
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So he said, look, I've never wanted to tell anyone how to parent our kids, obviously, and I think if you come from a place of love, you really can't go wrong.
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But at the same time, my God, if you're three years old and you're saying you're feeling a certain way, or you think you're a boy or a girl, or whatever the case may be,
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I just think it's dangerous as a parent to make this determination, then, well, okay, then you're going to be a boy or a girl, whatever the case may be.
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Okay, and that's all he said, saying, in other words, if a three-year-old boy says, I'm a girl, my gosh, he's three years old, that doesn't mean anything.
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Sadly, yet predictably, Lopez, of course, has since issued a groveling apology for saying something that any sane person ought to recognize as completely unavoidably, unassailably true.
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So, under pressure from the radical left-wing, smear machines like the human rights campaign, the media—in fact, the media headlines that you probably saw earlier in the week about this,
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Mario Lopez comes out against supporting trans kids.
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So, Lopez folded like a cheap lawn chair and disavowed his comments, calling them ignorant and hurtful.
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But first, because it's apparently necessary to clarify this, we should establish that the truth, first of all, may indeed be hurtful to people who are grasping desperately to a delusion.
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It may hurt in the same way that, you know, getting a shot or something at the doctor hurts, or, you know, but it's something that they need.
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But there's certainly nothing remotely ignorant about observing the fact that three-year-old children are immature and neurologically underdeveloped because they're three-year-olds, three years old.
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What you'll notice, as always, about the people that are coming out against Lopez, is that none of them can explain, or have even attempted to explain, why his comments were wrong.
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Now, I've read several outraged articles, including the one I mentioned in NBC News, saying, oh, he's so terrible for saying this.
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None of those articles are explaining, okay, what part of it was wrong exactly, and in what way was it wrong?
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So, to just tell me, oh, it's going to hurt someone's feelings if they read it, well, I don't care about that.
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That's not, because that doesn't have any bearing on whether or not it's true.
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Even Lopez himself and his mea culpa didn't go into specifics about what part of his statement was incorrect.
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You know, if he's going to come out now and say, oh, you know, never mind, I was wrong about that.
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Well, what new information did he stumble across in the last few days that made him realize, oh, you know what, actually, children can choose their own gender.
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The left has no coherent reasons or rational defenses when it comes to this issue and so many other issues as well.
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They have only ideology and they have emotion, which all signify nothing.
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A three-year-old child cannot reliably make any choice in any context.
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And he's going to give you 14 different answers before he collapses into tears.
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You let a three-year-old decide what outfit he's going to wear for the day and he's going to come from his room with one shoe, no pants, a diaper on his head.
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What he's going to end up with is a bowl full of ketchup with a side of gummy bears covered in whipped cream.
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Because a child at that age has not developed, which doesn't sound like a bad dinner actually, but all the same.
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A child at that age has not developed a cognitive ability to assess a variety of options and decide the correct course, the safest course, the healthiest course, the most sensible course.
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And they're not going to have that ability for several more years.
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And if a child grows up to be a leftist, they're never going to develop that ability.
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So you certainly can't expect three or three-year-olds to have that ability.
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Now, of course, when we're talking about this, we should stipulate that nobody can choose his or her own gender.
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So when I say someone at three or three years old can't do it.
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So it's not like I'm saying that once you get older, maybe you can.
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Nobody can do it because that matter is irrevocably settled by our chromosomes and our reproductive organs.
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But the leftist position on this topic is so preposterous, so absurd, that even if you grant them the premise that gender can theoretically be chosen,
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even if I were to say, okay, sure, you can theoretically, you could choose your own gender.
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But let's just say for the sake of argument, I did.
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They would still be wrong for thinking that someone at three years old can choose it.
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So even if it was possible to choose your own gender, it would still be the case that, of course, you can't at three years old.
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There's a reason why toddlers are not entrusted with any legal powers or responsibilities.
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They can't buy anything because they're simply too young to do so.
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Young children, this is important to realize about young kids.
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They cannot grasp the distinction between fantasy and reality.
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If you tell a toddler that Batman isn't real, he's going to stare at you blankly.
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Because the term isn't real doesn't mean anything to him.
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That is a phrase empty of meaning for a young child.
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So I remember my oldest son, maybe I've told this before, my oldest son at about four years
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old, he's six now, I once caught him on the second floor of our house, nearly about
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to leap over the banister on the balcony to plunge 15 feet to the first floor.
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Now, I stopped him just in time, and I warned him very sternly, you cannot do that.
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But he explained to me that, well, but Spider-Man does that stuff all the time.
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I've seen Spider-Man jump over down, you know, off of entire buildings.
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And I explained to him, I tried to explain to him, look, Spider-Man isn't real.
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And then he said to me, no, you're wrong, Daddy.
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And I realized that it's just, there's no, so then I had to say, okay, yes, Spider-Man
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The whole concept of Spider-Man not being real didn't mean anything to him.
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I was at the lake with my, with our current three-year-old, he's about to be three years
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And I was going to put him in his life jacket so he could go in the water.
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And he was insisting to me that he doesn't need to wear a life jacket.
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Even though he told me he was a fish, here's the crazy thing.
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I said, okay, Nemo, but you still got to wear the life jacket.
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And so I forced him to do the safe and sensible thing as a parent.
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Yes, I think that is what we're supposed to do.
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Are we supposed to believe that people, kids, who are this ignorant and immature,
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innocently detached from reality, they have an excuse to be ignorant.
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I mean, literally ignorant as in they lack information.
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Are we supposed to believe that they can make meaningful declarations about their own gender?
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A boy who says he's a girl doesn't even know what a girl is.
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Now, adult leftists, they don't know what a girl is either.
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And I've talked about this many times on the show.
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And you defeat the entire transgender argument, as I've explained, with that question.
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Next time someone tells you about this, oh, transgender, just say, what's a woman?
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But children especially can't define these terms.
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So if you're tempted to take a three-year-old seriously, three-year-old boy seriously when
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If you're tempted at all to take that seriously, before you go and buy him dresses and start
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scheduling the hormone treatments, maybe just ask a simple follow-up question.
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And that question is, okay, little Johnny, what's a girl?
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How is it that all these parents are saying, I have a transgender kid.
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How is it you've never asked that question to them?
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Have you ever asked them what they mean by that?
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It's amazing to me that parents can be this stupid, that you would never ask that question.
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Because if you ask that question, I guarantee you, what you're going to hear in the answer
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is something along the lines of, well, he's seen his sister playing with the dollhouse,
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and he wants to play with the dollhouse too because he thinks it looks cool.
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What he's really saying is he is interested in the things that he, in his little toddler
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He is interested in girl-associated things, which is fine.
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If he wants to play with the dollhouse, let him play with it.
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As adults, it is our job to help children sort through these things.
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Yes, that's what we're supposed to do because they don't know what they mean.
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He said, the comments I made were ignorant and insensitive, and I now have a deeper understanding
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I have been and always will be an ardent supporter of the LGBTQ community, and I am going to use
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Moving forward, I will be more informed and thoughtful.
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He said three-year-olds can't choose their own gender, and that means he needs to be more
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As I said, all the people, Mario, who are coming after you, did any of them present you
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Okay, well, what information did you stumble upon that made you realize, oh, never mind,
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What you see here from Mario Lopez, I don't mean to pick on him because he's just a C-list
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It's not like I put all my hopes and dreams on Mario Lopez fighting the good fight here.
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But still, it bears pointing out that what we're seeing here, this is just enormous craven
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Or it would be inconceivable if we weren't so accustomed to seeing it.
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And it goes to show again, because think about the cowardice here.
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But you are, because some people were mad, you are now denying biological reality.
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It's exactly the same thing as if Mario Lopez had said two plus two equals four.
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And then a bunch of mathematic relativists got angry about it.
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To say that it was thoughtless, it was hurtful.
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There are many children all throughout the country who, when they are doing mathematics
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tests, they'll say two plus two equals six or eight.
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And so I was wrong to insist that it equals four.
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Between that and Mario Lopez pretending that, you know, he doesn't understand arithmetic.
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And it goes to show again that our country will be dragged finally and irrevocably into utter
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We will be dragged into the dark to wallow there forever if the sane among us do not have even
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That's, that's the most important thing in our culture today.
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The first is the ability to recognize basic truth.
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Because that's what we're down to now, is we are fighting over the most basic and fundamental truths.
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There are still some conservatives who say, that's a sideshow issue.
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No, this is, this is, this is a starting point.
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Or there's no hope in arguing about anything else.
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But aside from having the ability to recognize truth, the second important thing for us to
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Just enough courage to say, for instance, listen, I, you're upset about it, but boys are boys,
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There's a crisis of courage, unfortunately, among the sane people.
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And, um, and who knows what kind of, you know, world my kids are going to grow up in.
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Um, speaking of, uh, of, of giving up on reality, CNN ran an article yesterday with, with this
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Says a study showing humans biases extend to robots.
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Now, the, the researchers in the study, and I, I swear to, I know this is a cliche at this
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point, but when I saw that headline, I, I, at first I really thought it was the onion.
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Um, the researchers in the study make the point that most of the robots you see are white.
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And if you ever, you know, if you watched one of those clips of the robots being unveiled
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in Japan or whatever, and, and, and, you know, usually they're white, right?
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So let me read a few very real sentences from this very real article.
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Um, an article that does in fact exist in the actual real world.
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And even when you read the article, you, if you didn't see CNN at the top, you would still
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Um, so, uh, the article says in part, robots and racism, a study conducted by the human interface
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technology laboratory in New Zealand and published by the country's university of Canterbury
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suggests that people perceive physically human like robots to have a race and therefore
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apply racial stereotypes to white and black robots.
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These colors have been found to trigger social cues that determine how humans react to and
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Um, Christoph Bartnick, uh, explained that the bias against black robots is a result of
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Continuing, um, it's amazing to see how people who had no prior interactions with robots show
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The researchers think this is an issue that needs to be addressed.
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If robots are supposed to function as teachers, friends, or carers, for instance, then it will
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be a serious problem if all of these roles are only ever occupied by robots that are racialized
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First of all, what you see here again is, uh, well, the first thing we could say here
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Even by the already very stupid standards of our society, this is incredibly, fantastically
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Um, the second thing is you find this projection, uh, a lot these days.
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Where this person is saying, oh, these robots are racialized as white and they go, no, that's
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I have never in my life even contemplated the race of a robot or ever thought of it in those
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And if you're telling me that we, okay, so a white robot has been racialized as white,
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I mean, this, this white piece of paper, is this, is this, am I rationalizing this as a
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Someone made the point yesterday, um, I forget who on Twitter that, uh, you know, toilets
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So what does that, is that, is that, uh, and what do robots do?
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It means if most robots were black, what would these researchers be saying?
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They would say, oh, it's racist because black people, you know, black robots harken back
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People are painting their robots black and that shows that they're, they have an innate desire,
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If you do racist, if you don't, this is one of the most perfect examples of that in
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Here's a, a story that I've had in the doc for a few days.
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And I think that it is, I can say that without hyperbole.
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This is from the, uh, from the MIT technology review.
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And the headline is scientists are making human monkey hybrids in China.
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So let me, um, let me just read a little bit of this to you.
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It says, uh, in a controversial first, a team of researchers have been creating embryos
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According to a report from the Spanish daily El Pais, according to the newspaper, the Spanish
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born biologist, Juan Carlos, uh, who operates a lab at the Salk Institute in California has
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been working with monkey researchers in China to perform the disturbing research.
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Uh, the objective is to create human animal chimeras in this case, uh, monkey embryos to
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The idea behind the research is to fashion animals that possess organs like a kidney or
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Such animals could be used as sources of organs for transplantation.
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This, of course, this kind of research is, is banned in the, um, in the United States,
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but it's not banned in China, which is why they're doing it there in China.
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I think what you find here now, ostensibly they're doing this because as it said there, I guess they're
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looking to create animals that can be harvested for their organs.
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If you could grow human organs inside animals, um, but what you find here again, and this is
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the problem with stem cell research with IVF, with all these things that we do with humans
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at the embryonic level, what you find, it's the, it's the commodification of the human person
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And that's why you find an, you know, IVF labs.
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You have a bunch of leftover embryos, just you throw them in the freezer.
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And this is a, this is a big problem when we start to see, look, you're either going to
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see human beings as sacred, um, as beings of infinite, almost mystical value.
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You're going to see them that way, or you're going to see them as commodities, as things
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that can be used and experimented on and, uh, and stored in freezers and so on.
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I think those are the only two ways to see the person, see a person.
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If you go with the latter option and you see them as commodities, it's not hard to see where
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If human beings are commodities at the embryonic level, then, you know, you just keep going
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further and further down the stage of, of development.
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Um, and you start to see people in general that way.
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All right, we're going to do some, uh, some emails, which I haven't had a chance to do
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Matt Walsh show at gmail.com is the email address.
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It says, uh, this is from Cassandra says, hello, Mr. Walsh.
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My older son actually requires us to pick up the candles to blow them out after your birthday
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And so Derek is not your oldest son then, I guess, based on that.
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Uh, but I would urge Derek that we did talk about this.
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When you blow out the birthday candles, Derek, make sure to pick up the candle, pick it out
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out of the cake and blow it to, you don't want to, cause you don't want to blow your germs
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It, you know, the cake does not, and I know it's your birthday, the cake does not need
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That's a, this is why I don't eat birthday cake.
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It's very traumatizing for germaphobes like myself at every birthday.
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When you see someone blowing in, in what, now I'm going to get off.
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Now I'm going to go on a whole thing about this.
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In what other context would you ever eat food that someone else has blown on?
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Like if the, if the waitress was bringing you a steak and said, oh, it's a little hole.
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And started blowing on it and then gave it to you.
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Hey, there are a lot of things that have been traditions in human society, but we develop,
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People used to go out and, and, you know, and, and use the bathroom in a hole in the ground
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in the backyard or, or in a pot, which they would then dump into the house.
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This is from Kyle says, Matt of Colossal Intelligence.
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I'm not sure if I have to subscribe to email you, but I recently saw this on an Instagram
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This is a, she has an attachment and it's a meme that says, if you go on a mission trip
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to see the kids in Mexico, but support a man whose goal is to put these kids and their
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families in cages because they were fleeing the same poverty and violence you're trying
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That's the, um, that's the, the meme that Kyle here is referring to.
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It says, I believe this is wrong on multiple levels, namely the view of missions that is
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I know that you support missions wholeheartedly.
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According to this, if you go on a mission trip, it's just for a photo op.
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I could go on for a while about this, uh, but I will spare you a lengthy email and I will
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let your Supreme Colossal Intelligence handle this.
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I feel like, um, I should say something, but I would like to hear your take on this as well.
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The point this meme is trying to make is I guess if you support, now they talk about
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kids in cages, but what they're really saying is if you support enforcing our borders and
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if you support enforcing immigration law, then you're somehow a hypocrite for going on mission
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Point two, however, I do think that it is sometimes the case.
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That people go on mission trips as a photo op, uh, that in anyone who's been on a mission
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trip, I think they, they, they won't deny this.
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Not that it'd be the case for them personally, but they've seen it.
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This is something that is, there's people, there are people who want to go on the mission
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trip because, um, they want to get the pictures for Facebook and they go down there to wherever
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it is, you know, wherever they're going and they don't really do much.
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They pose for pictures for Instagram and that's pretty much it.
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Um, and I do think that's, that, that can be a problem.
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So I think there are a lot of people who go on mission trips because they have a real
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And then there are a lot of people who go because it's, it's a trip.
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Um, and I think that that's, you know, we should make it clear to people.
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And this is one, this is one thing, you know, you see schools and things, they go Christian
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schools, they take, or, or churches, they get together big buses of people to go on mission
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If you have a whole bunch of people down there who clearly are only there for the, for the
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Um, but the point that they're making in the meme, of course, is untrue.
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Uh, this is from Andrew says, you recently were talking about the death penalty and I
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agree 100% with you, but I was talking with my best friend recently, who's a seminarian
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and he presented an argument that made me reconsider my stance on the subject.
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He basically argued that the person in prison can find redemption while living out his sentence.
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The death penalty will end his chances of finding it in God's time.
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And I'm ready to face my death penalty like a man when you become dictator.
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Well, that's, that's good to know, uh, because you will, Andrew.
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Yeah, this is an argument I hear a lot from, from Christians about the death penalty.
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It's an argument when I was anti-death penalty, it's, it wasn't my main argument against it,
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Now we don't live in a country where we have summary execution, uh, where you're tried,
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In this country, you've got sometimes decades on death row, which I think is too long.
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Now I could sometimes see the appeal and the efficiency of the summary execution approach,
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Um, I think giving people, I don't think we need to give people 20 years.
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I think that's too long, but whatever, a few years, a period of time, a length of time when
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And if they have that time, which again, people in this country do, then that's, I think that's
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a lot of time, not only to, uh, get right with God as it were, but you're on death row.
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And so I guess my feeling is if that's not going to be enough to drive you to repentance,
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if that's not enough, you know, if, if spending five years on death row with death right in the
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name, you're literally in a row in prison waiting to be killed.
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If that's not going to, not going to be enough to bring you to repentance, uh, to bring about
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some kind of spiritual awakening, then, you know, I don't think 30 years or 40 years just
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Um, I mean, you, you could make the argument that, um, as far as giving people a chance to
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repent, maybe the death penalties is better for that because it does cause people to confront
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their own mortality and it still gives them time to repent.
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Um, this is from Stephanie says, Hey, Matt, big fan of your show.
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You're mixed between dry humor and profound thoughts is really refreshing and fun to listen
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I'm a young Catholic woman in my mid twenties all around me.
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I see all these beautiful young women with equally beautiful personalities and faith lives
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who are inexplicably single where I see on one hand, a surplus of fantastic single Catholic
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women being called to the vocation of marriage and motherhood.
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On the other, I see a lack of good Catholic single men.
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Most of the ones I know live crazy, sinful lived crazy, sinful lives and are now prowling
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for a good Catholic woman, but not because they had a conversion of faith, but because they've
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had their fill of the hookup phase and just want a good woman to check a box for nuclear
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It's repulsive and frankly, insulting and discouraging that this seems to be what's left for single
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Catholic women who strive for a rich relationship to God with God, but we're not lucky enough
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My question is, do you have any advice for these women?
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And when you are a Supreme dictator, can you implement laws that force young men to stop
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Because while a guy can get married and have kids whenever he wants us, women have an expiration
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date on our eggs and we can't wait forever for y'all to grow up.
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Uh, you know, Stephanie, it's interesting because I get this type of question from young Christian
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guys all the time in the reverse, wondering where all the good Christian women are.
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Uh, so it seems like you guys are looking for each other, but your, your, your signals are
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Um, you're, you're, you're both getting lost amid the fog of modern culture and amid a fog
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that is admittedly filled with a lot of, um, prospects that are not very promising, you know,
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the dating scene, but on, but in, in mid that crowd, there are people, men and women that
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So what I would say is, and I'm not saying you're doing this, but I do want to mention
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that you shouldn't hold, you mentioned, you said guys who lived crazy, sinful lives and
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Um, I think it is important that you shouldn't hold someone's past against them.
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There are plenty of people who lived crazy, sinful lives, as you say, and are now trying
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to put that behind them and trying to be different.
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Um, so I would say, don't judge a man by his past.
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But if it's, if there's something really dark and terrible in their past, then maybe I would
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But, um, but for the most part, especially when it comes to these things that unfortunately in
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our culture are just sort of run of the mill, you know, if there's a guy who sort of acted
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like a normal 20 year old guy when he was 20, it's not an excuse, but, uh, if he's now
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25 or 30 and he's grown up and he's moved past that, then I would let him move past it.
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I think this goes into something I wanted to talk about, uh, probably still will maybe next
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Um, and that's about the guy who wrote the, uh, why I kiss dating goodbye book back in
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the nineties, who was a Christian pastor, but he has since.
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And I didn't realize that this until this week, but he, he, he long ago, he renounced
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Um, and most recently this past week, he announced that he's not actually Christian anymore and
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he's getting divorced from his wife, which is just a sad situation.
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And that's all aside from the point here, but there is a conversation to be had about
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Um, I think on one hand, it's, it's good to strive for purity, obviously.
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And much of what's in that book, which I haven't read, but I, I know the gist of it.
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Um, so from what I understand of that book, I agree with, with much of it, but I do think
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the concept of Christian purity can have negative side effects.
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And one of those side effects is the idea that a person who has a past, a person who has committed
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sins is now somehow stained, somehow defective, um, somehow ruined by it.
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Um, like they can't move past it, like they can never be a good Christian.
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And I worry that, um, people believe that about themselves and that maybe some Christians
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on the dating scene believe it about others on the dating scene, where maybe they look
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You know, you see his past, look at his, look at the way he used to live.
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Now I, I, I think, um, we're sort of conscious of that problem with, with women, um, where
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we, you know, uh, uh, where a woman can feel that way about herself wrongly, that she's somehow
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Guys can feel that way too about themselves, Christian guys.
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And, um, as for actually finding the good men out there, all I can say, and this was not
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gonna be very helpful, but all I can say is, uh, be decisive and direct and open about
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You're looking for a serious relationship, one that might be headed somewhere to marriage,
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And I think if you're open about that fact, um, you're going to automatically weed out
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most of the bad apples because the bad apples are not interested in commitment minded women.
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If you find a Christian guy, whatever it was in his past, doesn't matter.
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If you find a Christian guy who appears now to be a decent guy and he's looking,
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and you're a commitment minded and he knows that about you and he still injures you,
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then that's, he's probably, that's, that's good.
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Um, regardless of, of what he might have done in the past.
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