Ep. 313 - Media Matters Releases A Daily Wire Greatest Hits Album
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Another mass killing last night, but the media is less interested in covering this one. Why is that? We ll talk about it. Also, Media Matters compiled a video highlighting all of the supposed bigotry at The Daily Wire. It s really more like a Greatest Hits compilation.
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Today on the Matt Walsh Show, another mass killing last night, but the media is less
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interested in covering this one. Why is that? We'll talk about it. Also, Media Matters compiled
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a video highlighting all of the supposed bigotry at the Daily Wire. It's really more like a
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Greatest Hits compilation, so I'll play that for you today on the show, and we will answer
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your emails today on the Matt Walsh Show. All right, so there's a new Home Alone coming out.
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They're rebooting, remaking Home Alone. They're doing it over again, because this is what
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we're doing now, just taking every movie that was in the 90s and redoing it, which is more
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evidence, of course, that Hollywood has run out of ideas, which we already knew. But the
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bigger question for me, if you're doing an updated version of Home Alone, how are you
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going to get around the fact that modern technology exists, which was already sort of a problem
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for the first one, even though, yeah, cell phones, you didn't really have cell phones
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back in the early 90s, but you did have phones. And my memory of that movie is for somehow
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the mother never thought to just call the kid on the phone and talk to him. It's been
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a while since I've seen it, but she just never calls him. But then if you have cell phones
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now, it seems like this would be a 12-minute movie that would end with, Kevin wakes up,
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he realizes that he's been left, calls his mom on the cell phone, she says, oh crap, we
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forgot you, turn it around now. They come back, credits roll, end of movie. And you know what?
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If that's what they do, if it's a 12-minute movie, which ends with a cell phone call being
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made, I would respect that because that's gritty, that's realistic. If you're going for gritty
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realism, which is a thing nowadays, then I think why not really do it? All right. Much to discuss
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today, including Media Matters compiling a greatest hits compilation for The Daily Wire, which we
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all really appreciate. We're going to talk about that. I'll play some of it. But before we do that,
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we have to talk about something quite a bit more serious. There was another, and maybe you didn't
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hear about this one, but there was another mass killing last night. This one, though, isn't getting
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as much media attention, and there's a pretty obvious reason why. We'll get into that in a second,
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All right, so Garden Grove, California, about 30 or so miles outside of downtown L.A.
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That was the site last night of a mass killing spree that left four people dead. Four people killed at
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random by a mass murdering scumbag. So this would be the third mass killing incident in America this
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week. Yet, this particular one isn't getting the same kind of attention as the others, and why is
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that? Well, my guess would be that it's partly because of the weapon of choice. He didn't use a
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gun. He used a knife. And for that reason, this has gotten, as I said, not a ton of attention.
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This morning, for example, I was perusing a few of the news sites for some reason. Went to NBCnews.com,
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and this didn't even make above the fold on the website. It wasn't even one of there. If you go to,
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you go to the website, the first few stories you see at the top wasn't at the top. You had to scroll
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down six or seven stories to get to this. The reason for the media to de-emphasize this story is
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obvious. It doesn't fit the narrative. It's not something they can use to advance a political
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agenda. But it's still an important story because four people died. Four people were stabbed to death
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as this guy went around town attacking random pedestrians. It's a brutal, horrible story
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that certainly is newsworthy, one would think. And it shows, it demonstrates a truth that I think we
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all need to understand. And it's because of this that the media ignores it. But what it shows
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is, you know, the minute someone decides that they want to kill mass numbers of people and they don't
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care if they live or die in the process. This guy did live. He was arrested. But they don't care if
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they live or die. They don't care if they go to jail. So they don't care about the consequences
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and they want to kill a lot of people. The minute a person gets to that state psychologically and
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spiritually, there is basically no law, no law in the world that could stop them from hurting
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people. There's no law that's going to do it the minute someone makes that decision.
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Now, it's unlikely, the government wants us to feel otherwise, but it's unlikely that you have
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ever been saved from being a victim in one of these kinds of incidents by a law. What I mean is,
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it's unlikely that you were ever in a situation where a person would have hurt you or shot you,
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stabbed you, whatever, but for laws preventing them. That's probably not the case. The reason why
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you hopefully have never been shot or stabbed, unless you have been, but the reason, if you
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haven't been, the reason why you've been spared that is it's probably just because nobody ever
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seriously wanted to hurt you or you were never in a place where a psychotic killer decided he wanted
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to attack. It's kind of scary to think of it that way. I know. We would sort of rather think
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that the government is this all-seeing, protective eye that's just stopping all bad things from
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happening. Maybe when we get very lazy, we may like to think of it that way, but that's not how it is.
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The one thing keeping us safe, keeping society together, is the simple fact that most people
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don't want to cause serious harm to others. If that ever changes, then chaos ensues.
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Now, that doesn't mean there should be no laws. Obviously, laws serve a purpose. I'm not advocating
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anarchy here, but the point is, I think here's the point. We need to think of it this way.
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We need to think, what if my luck runs out? What if a murderous psycho ever does come to harm me?
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How will I protect myself in that situation? Because most likely, if that happens, if that
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murderous psycho has his eyes set on you for whatever reason, the only thing that will protect you in that
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moment is you. In that moment, in that situation, you are going to be the first, last, and only line
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of defense for yourself. And so we all need to protect ourselves. It's not paranoia. It's just
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being prepared. It's being safe. This is the point that gun rights advocates are trying to make. It's a
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very reasonable point. Even aside from the constitutional issues, which are important, obviously,
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because we can't just discard the law, and the Second Amendment is law. But even beyond that, it's a really
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reasonable point that if you're ever in a situation, and you have no control, really, over whether you'll
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ever be in a situation. But if you're ever in a situation where someone does want to do you harm, in that,
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now, we could talk about what laws and this and that. In that moment right there, all of that stuff melts
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away. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what laws are there. It doesn't matter what national
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conversations we're having. It doesn't matter what policies are enacted. It doesn't matter what initiatives
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we're working on. None of that matters in that moment. In fact, the police probably don't even matter in that
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moment, because they're face-to-face now. They're not going to be there in time, probably, for you.
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So it's just, can you protect yourself or not? And I think that's how we all need to start thinking.
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Again, it's not about being paranoid. It's just about realizing this basic truth,
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that when it comes down to it, if someone is coming after you, if you end up in the line of sight of one
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of these murderous psychos, you're going to be the only person who can protect yourself. So are you
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going to be able to do that or not? All right. Media Matters. The fine folks at Media Matters who
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are huge supporters of this show and every show on The Daily Wire, they watch all our shows every day
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and then will frequently post highlights of the show. Now, of course, they do it to try to whip up
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outrage against us. But the fact is, they're still watching the show. In fact, they're watching right now.
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So I want to say hi to whatever Media Matters minion is watching the show right now. I want to
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say hello. Thank you for being here. Glad to have you with us. Hope you enjoy. Hope you're enjoying
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the show. Hope you enjoy the rest of it. So yesterday, Media Matters released something
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that I guess is supposed to be some sort of expose titled The Daily Wire is a cesspool of bigotry and
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hatred. And it goes through the various sins of all the hosts on our site, including yours truly,
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all the terrible things we've said. Here's how they introduced the report. It says,
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founded by editor-in-chief Ben Shapiro in 2015, with funding from fracking magnate and former
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Ted Cruz donor Ferris Wilkes, The Daily Wire was intended to be a profit-generating outlet mixing
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conservative opinion and news. The site regularly advocates positions and rhetoric that are racist,
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sexist, and disparaging of the LGBTQ community. While most of this comes from Shapiro or Ryan
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Saavedra, the daily podcast hosts hosted by Matt Walsh, Michael Knowles, and Andrew Clavin also
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regularly employ ugly rhetoric about minority and oppressed groups. Media Matters looked at their
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podcast released on The Daily Wire site since the beginning of 2019 and found that the site is a
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platform grounded in hatred and bigotry. Below are the podcasters and examples of their sexist, racist,
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bigoted commentary. So Ryan got it. Ryan got a nice shout out there. I didn't realize that.
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Um, so congrats, Ryan. What, um, in fact, they, so they gave him, they said that he's a bigger source
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of bigotry than, uh, than me, Knowles, or, or Clavin. Yeah, that's not fair. What follows then is a
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lengthy list of a bunch of stuff we've said, stuff that's supposed to be offensive, I guess. But
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hopefully if you, if you don't like reading, they also put together a compilation of all the hatred and
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bigotry from Daily Wire hosts. Um, but the hatred is much more of a highlight reel, I think,
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sort of a greatest hits. Actually, I'm thinking that I'm going on vacation in a couple of weeks
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and I'm thinking maybe I'll hire the folks at Media Matters to put together a gate, a couple
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greatest hits shows for me that I can play in my absence. Um, I don't even need to hire them.
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Actually, they'll do it for free, uh, which is very generous. So what I want to do is take a look
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at their video. Um, they say they reviewed seven months of podcasts to put this together.
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So let's, I think it would be rude of me after they've done all that work. It'd be very rude of
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me to ignore it. Um, and, and no, I, so I want to play it for you and we'll go through and take a
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look at it. So, um, here we go. How is it that drag queens have escaped the blackface backlash?
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Okay. Actually stop right there. Uh, I, I just want to say that I'm honored that I got to be first
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in the hate montage. This is my greatest professional achievement. And as for what I said
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that right there, I couldn't possibly, you know, I said that, uh, that, uh, uh, drag is, is female
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blackface. Um, I, I, I want to stipulate. I could not possibly be more right about that. It's amazing
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how right I am on that point. In fact, going back and watching that again, it was a lot of fun to
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relive my rightness. Amazingly right. Uh, yes, drag is female blackface. It is a grotesque mockery of
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womanhood. Absolutely. I retract that. Not at all, not, not at all. Um, and in fact, that's a,
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that's a point I make all the time. I make it in a lot of my speeches and it does it. People
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get upset about it, but I I've yet to hear anyone explain how I'm wrong. I understand that it makes
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your tummy hurt. It makes you upset. You don't like hearing it. Fine. Understood. And I'm sorry
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about that. I'm sorry about your tummy, but how am I wrong? It is my contention that when you've got a
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man dressing up in this absurd, um, cartoonish costume, pretending to be a woman, I think that
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that is demeaning to, to women. I think it makes a caricature of womanhood. How am I wrong? It seems
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to me that being the drag, that's exactly what that's, that's, that's pretty much the definition
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of drag, making a caricature of womanhood. That's exactly what you're doing. It's certainly not
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realistic. I've never, have you ever seen a woman, a real woman who dresses like a, like a drag queen
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dresses? You ever seen that? No. So what the, what the drag queen is basically telling us is like,
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this is how they see womanhood and they see it in a very insulting and degrading light.
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So, um, yeah, I'm, I'm a hundred percent right about that. Uh, let's go back to the clip.
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The very fact that women wear leggings tells you something the female body is made to attract.
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Planned Parenthood is the, is, is, is a rapist's best friend. Now, isn't there a difference
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between standing up for integration, standing up for the right of black people to move into a
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community once they can afford it? Jew hating Congresswoman Ilan Omar. Transgender women aren't
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women. Love is love. Or if it feels good, do it. As a result of this, the logical conclusion is
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we're going to normalize pedophilia. Obviously they won the same sex marriage battle. Do you
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think that they're going to win the redefinition of sex battle as well? If they win that battle,
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then it really is over. Western civilization is over at that point. The West broadly invented every
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single thing that's ever been invented, but, and made virtually every discovery that has ever been
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discovered. Personally, I agree with Tucker Carlson and Donald Trump that you should not be allowed
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in the country. If you think it stinks, feminism has created this generation of women who think
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they matter because they're women who think their ideas matter because they're women who think their
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ideas are protected because they're women. They're not. All right. I just want to say, I disavow,
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I disavow that sexism from Andrew Klavan. How dare he suggest that women should be judged based on their
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personal individual merits and not given credit just simply for being women? How dare he suggest
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that? How dare he? Am I doing this right? All right, go back. But women have their own advantages.
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Mainly they have their sexuality and they have their appearance and they have the desires of men.
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Okay. Stop there again. I just want to say, I disavow, I disavow the sexism of that strange homeless man
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talking to himself in his car. I am disgusted that he would suggest whoever that guy is.
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I couldn't tell because of sunglasses. I am disgusted that he would suggest that men are
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attracted to women. And this is a fact that women sometimes exploit. How dare he say, I mean, because
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no woman's ever done that, right? I mean, no, no woman would ever dream of exploiting the fact that
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men are attracted to women. It's never happened ever. Um, and so for him, for that homeless man
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to, to, to even suggest such a thing, offends me personally. I think he owes an apology to women
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everywhere. All right, let's go back to the video. If I had to choose between these 95% of people who
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thrive in this Christian setting and the 5% of gay people who are cast out, uh, who ultimately find
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themselves rejected for who they are, I would obviously choose the 95% over the 5%. I think
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that it is worse to slaughter babies after they've been born than to wear blackface. Wait, let's stop
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there again. Did Knowles just say that it's, it's worse, it's worse to kill babies than to paint your
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face black. That is so outrageous. I mean, media matters is right. These people, except for me,
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the other two, these, these people are dangerous for, I mean, for him to say that it's worse to
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kill a human being than to paint your face a certain color. Uh, what, where's this guy coming
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from? I can see why that made it into the montage. I mean, it's not like that's a totally innocuous
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statement that any civilized person on the planet would agree with. That's no, no, no, no, no,
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this is, this is, this is really controversial stuff. Abortion helps rapists cover up their
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crimes. You are just not a decent person. If you support giving lethal injection to infants,
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abortion doctor, number four is a problematic term because it includes the word doctor.
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I would suggest the term medical assassin. There is obviously something wrong in the house of Islam.
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There is a lot more evidence that Ilhan Omar has sympathies for Al Qaeda than there is that
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Donald Trump is a racial bigot. My joke about her was she was so angry. She almost exploded,
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but the TSA took the belt off. When you come out of a hellscape like Somalia and America takes you in,
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nurtures you, elevates you to Congress, and you don't feel grateful for that. You, there is something
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terribly, terribly wrong with you. She supports Sharia law, which I think is the dividing line
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between Muslims we can live with and Muslims we can't live with. But the question of whether it's
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inherently violent is important. It's certainly not a religion of peace. It's a religion that's
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cancerous. That anti-Jewish ideology is an ideology being embraced by Ilhan Omar,
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AOC is an ignoramus. Rashida Tlaib is an anti-Semite. Ilhan Omar, also anti-Semite. They deserve
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all the attacks. They deserve all the trouble they're getting.
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Of the top 14 major wars going on in the world right now, of the top 14, 13 of them involve
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These movements, Students for Justice in Palestine are, which is one of the most ironically named
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groups, because it's not led by students. It isn't about justice, and there's no such
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All right, I just need to interrupt here again and say that in all seriousness here, it's
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been 90 seconds, and I haven't been featured at all. And that seems unfair to me. It seems
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unfair that Knowles and Klavan get their bigotry featured for a minute and a half, and I'm ignored.
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That is truly, truly hurtful, Media Matters, especially because I guess that was supposed
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to be a whole chunk of them insulting AOC and Ilhan Omar. I've insulted them, too. So
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what, you didn't, what, my insults weren't good enough to make it in that part of the hate
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Tlaib? No, I don't think that Tlaib has dual loyalty, because there's no evidence at all
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that she's loyal to America in the first place. Immigrants today, though, it's a very different
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situation. They are not building the country, because it's already built. And oftentimes,
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they're not even interested in being part of our culture. They want to come here and do
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Trump promulgated that whole birther nonsense, and it was nonsense, but I didn't think that
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was racist either. That's a fantasy. The fantasy that Trump is making racist.
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Racism worse, that he's bringing out from under the rock all the evil white supremacists.
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That white supremacism is a growing problem, which the numbers show that it is not.
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White males of today are not allowed to look back in history and admire or enjoy the work
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The point he's making, that civilization has come from Europe, is true.
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I read his manifesto, The Great Replacement, it was called, because he is objecting to the
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fact that immigrants of color, and it wasn't necessarily Islam. He didn't sound too friendly
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to Jews or anybody else. He said he believed in white people, and he defined white people
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Okay, so there we have Klavan simply describing, reporting what was in a manifesto.
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Um, I, I, I, I, I can't even figure out how that, I really, I actually can't figure out
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how that made it in there. I feel like they're trying to pad Klavan's stats a little bit by
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putting stuff like that in there, which really isn't fair. He's had a few things that, I mean,
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come on, how does that, how does that make it in the, in the montage at all? All right,
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let's, um, so we've got a few more minutes. Let's watch the rest of this.
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He says, how is Barack Obama black? He's also white. It's also a fair point. You will see
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illegal aliens waving the Mexican flag. If you want to live under the Mexican flag,
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Multiculturalism is a implausible, implausible philosophy. It cannot be, it cannot be that
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cultures that enslave people, that cultures that treat women like trash, that those cultures
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are equal to cultures that do not, that cannot be. That was one of the things that was kind of
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lost in the, in the whole Me Too hysteria. There were also plenty of cases, um, where you looked
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at it and it was pretty apparent that the women were also culpable. Feminists are insecure
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about the fact that they themselves are not men. This, you know, hysteria, um, that we found in the
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Me Too movement is that it engenders suspicion. So if we don't say that, hey, this Chelsea Manning was
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actually Bradley Manning at the time. And if we call it in the her and say, she, we're being polite.
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We're not being hurtful. Now I'll call anybody, anything where they want to be called. I really
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will. I'll call him the King of Romania. I don't care.
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All right. Let's stop again because see, this is what I'm talking about.
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Clavin says that, um, that he'll call people whatever they want to be called.
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How did that make it in? Isn't that exactly what he's, what we're supposed to say? Isn't that just
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being respectful? How did that make it in? Does he work for media matters or something?
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I think that Andrew Clavin works for media matters and that's why he put a lot of his own stuff in
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here and featured himself, padded his bigotry stats. I'm starting to get suspicious. Okay.
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It's conspiracies now are floating around in my head because that doesn't make any sense to me.
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All right. We got, um, let's, let's play the last minute of this, uh, trip down memory lane.
00:23:59.740
This is especially true in these hot button social issues like transgenderism, where you could face
00:24:05.620
social consequences. If you speak obvious truths, you could speak professional, you could face
00:24:11.180
professional consequences. If you speak obvious truths, you can cut your body into 17 different
00:24:16.080
pieces. You still will not change your gender. Every cell you have is of a specific gender.
00:24:21.180
People are so desperate to be included, to be included in the supposedly oppressed LGBT category
00:24:28.140
that they're making up label labels that make no sense just so they can be included. Just goes to
00:24:34.380
show you that this is not an oppressed group. In fact, it shows you that the opposite is the case.
00:24:39.420
It shows you that this is a privileged group. Pride month. Now it's about gender. It's about
00:24:44.020
sexual identity. So now there aren't just two genders. There are 56 different genders.
00:24:49.860
These gay activists are out there prowling like lions, waiting for these kids to come and tell them
00:24:54.880
that their religion, your religion rejects you. There is no God. Your family rejects you.
00:24:59.740
Families stink. The patriarchy stinks. Marriage is between a man and a woman. No
00:25:03.760
amount of social engineering is going to change that. So if we're talking about two gay men adopting
00:25:08.940
a child, so you think the mothers, we just, you know, it doesn't need a mother. A man cannot
00:25:13.240
function as a mother. He thinks that a man can be a woman and a woman can be a man just because he puts
00:25:19.880
on lipstick. If you put on lipstick, then you're a woman. But of course, that's not what makes a
00:25:23.940
woman. So if marriage is going to be anything, and if it's going to have any purpose whatsoever,
00:25:28.960
then it must be a union between a man and a woman. So there you go. Uh, by the way,
00:25:36.240
elephant in the room here, why isn't Ben in the montage at all? I mean, come on, was media matters
00:25:43.680
just, I guess they were trying to give the rest of us a chance to shine, which, which, uh, which I,
00:25:48.520
I appreciate that. I, I guess pretty, pretty thoughtful, but a little bit, a little bit
00:25:53.340
surprising. Now, if it's, if it's possible to find anything serious to say about what we just
00:26:03.540
watched together, it is pretty revealing that the leftist minions at media matters selected those
00:26:11.420
clips. Okay. And they, they put them all together without explaining why they're offensive.
00:26:18.920
That's, what's funny here is that they, it's, they don't go into any, any explanation. They just
00:26:24.120
show us the clips, assuming that the clips are so offensive that they don't even need to explain
00:26:31.540
why they're offensive. They think it just speaks for itself. It's self-evident that this is, this is
00:26:36.680
offensive stuff. Meanwhile, most people are going to watch most of that. I mean, I don't, I don't want
00:26:42.340
to put words in your mouth or tell you how you feel about it, but I'm, I'm guessing most of the
00:26:47.520
people watching right now or listening, um, when you hear that montage, you're probably your thought
00:26:54.560
was something like, um, okay. I, because most of that is just really innocuous
00:27:03.420
and, and, and pretty self-evident. So it shows how we're living where we really are living in
00:27:11.900
forget about, about, about living in two separate countries. Some people say that this country has
00:27:16.860
become so divided ideologically that it's like two separate countries, um, or, or even, or more
00:27:24.320
countries, you know, maybe it's fractured even more than that. But I think it's worse than living in
00:27:29.000
two separate countries. It seems to me that we're living in two separate universes. Um, we are just
00:27:35.080
living in two separate realities. That's how far apart we are. If you could watch that montage
00:27:43.440
and come away truly offended by most of what you heard there and shocked and appalled by it,
00:27:50.620
uh, then you, you're, you're, you're, you're living and you're living in some other universe. I, I can't
00:27:56.460
even, you're living in a universe where basic fundamental truth is offensive and that's what
00:28:09.100
makes the divide in our country. Now that's what makes it so much more severe and, and, and so much
00:28:16.820
worse than times past. I've said before, and I believe that we are more divided now than we were
00:28:26.400
during the civil war, significantly more divided. And I don't think that I'm not saying that I think
00:28:32.680
we're actually going to have another civil war. I don't think we will for any number of reasons.
00:28:36.840
One being that the divide is not exactly precisely geographical like it was back then.
00:28:42.580
There are geographical elements to it, but it's not, it's not quite as clean as it was then.
00:28:47.520
And, um, and, and other reasons too. I just don't, I don't, I don't see that happening, but
00:28:51.400
ideologically culturally, I think we are, there's a, there's a greater divide because even back in
00:28:56.700
the civil war, they disagreed obviously on some very important issues. And I think even more
00:29:03.600
significant than that, as far as what caused the war to happen was the cultural, they, they're two
00:29:08.980
very different cultures in the North and in the South, the industrial culture of the North, the
00:29:13.740
agrarian, um, you know, uh, culture of the South, but they still agreed on, on really fundamental
00:29:25.800
things. There was a fundamental agreement on things like objective truth. There is a God, um,
00:29:35.040
their objective morality. Now they disagreed on what was moral and what wasn't notably the issue
00:29:44.300
of slavery. So there were substantial disagreements in the realm of morality, but they both at least
00:29:51.560
agree that objective morality is a thing that exists. So if you can get there, at least when both sides
00:29:59.020
who are arguing over something can at least agree that, yeah, morality exists, it's a thing. Um,
00:30:03.640
but now let's argue about whether or not this particular thing is moral. Well, at least there,
00:30:08.880
there's some hope of eventually reaching an agreement, but if you can't even agree that
00:30:13.640
objective morality is a thing in the first place, then your argument can go nowhere. So those that's,
00:30:20.800
that's our divide has gone much deeper than divides in the past. And, um, this is just one minor example,
00:30:27.660
but, um, uh, that's, I think that's the trouble. All right. Matt Walsh show at gmail.com. Matt
00:30:35.260
Walsh show at gmail.com is the email address. Take a look at some emails. Uh, this is from Peter
00:30:42.300
says, hello, Supreme leader Walsh. I hope this email finds you well. And the glory of my beard will
00:30:46.880
at least grant me the blessing of a quick death. When your regime comes, despite the fact that I am
00:30:50.800
about to attempt to enlighten your already all knowing magnificence. I agree with your overall take on video
00:30:56.780
games and their desensitizing effect on the mind, even though I'm a pretty avid gamer myself,
00:31:00.920
the dirty secret is that I believe the vast majority of other gamers would also probably
00:31:05.160
agree with your general take that children of a certain age should cap their amount of time playing
00:31:08.780
games and hyper gore artificial though. It may be obviously doesn't have a positive psychological
00:31:13.700
effect on a still molding mind that just to stop you there. That's interesting. So you're telling me
00:31:17.680
that makes me feel a little bit better. You're telling me that, that this is according to you,
00:31:22.900
maybe you're wrong, but it's your feeling based on your conversations with other
00:31:26.540
gamers that most gamers would actually agree with a lot of what I've said, even if they
00:31:31.000
won't say it. Um, so that makes me feel a little bit better because I, you know, that was the
00:31:36.940
frustrating thing for me. We're talking about this video game thing. I, yes, I'm biased in favor of
00:31:41.940
my own points, but I do feel like most of the points I've made are pretty obvious and it's,
00:31:46.740
it's hard for me to believe there could be disagreement. Things like it's, it's, it's not healthy
00:31:52.900
for a kid to spend hours and hours a day playing video games. He should do other things like go
00:31:57.600
outside and be in the fresh air and things like if a kid is exposed to hyper, as you say, hyper gore,
00:32:05.100
really, really violent video games, um, for, for, for hours a day, starting early in childhood,
00:32:11.780
that probably will have a psychological impact. To me, those two propositions are,
00:32:16.760
are, are extremely obvious, shouldn't be controversial. And so what you're saying is
00:32:23.740
you think most gamers would actually agree though. Maybe they, well, I'll read the rest of what you're
00:32:27.640
saying. Um, the thing is that, no, I'm not going to read the rest of it. I'll just tell you what
00:32:33.500
you're saying. I won't do that. Uh, the thing is that, uh, that measured, that measured take is
00:32:38.880
usually not the stance held by the media or politicians alike, no matter what side of the aisle
00:32:42.860
they're on. Ever since the nineties, video games have always been one of the major boogeymen that
00:32:47.620
get trotted out after a shooting and put up as a main cause right next to the second amendment.
00:32:51.800
So this over defensiveness of gamers is a reflexive response established over literal decades to the
00:32:56.380
regular vilification of our favorite hobby. It's like how Republicans will say that Trump does no
00:33:00.660
wrong to the press, even though they might not like something he tweeted or said. It's showing a
00:33:04.680
united front against a perceived enemy coming into our territory, especially since the overreaction
00:33:09.460
could even lead to ridiculous regulations in our still relatively untouched sphere of entertainment.
00:33:14.060
I know this isn't how you think, but was just giving, uh, hoping to give some perspective on
00:33:18.080
this controversial topic. Well, that was helpful. Um, that was a helpful, help, help, helpful
00:33:24.320
perspective. You started by saying you were going to disagree with me, but I don't think you disagreed
00:33:28.120
at all. Um, you're just giving the perspective of, uh, we're trying to explain maybe why some gamers
00:33:33.600
are reluctant to have this conversation. And I, I, I understand you, you, you, you make the comparison
00:33:41.780
to Donald Trump. And I think that's an apt comparison because you say that the Republicans
00:33:49.100
and conservatives who disagree with a lot of what Trump says, but in public they'll, they'll defend
00:33:54.220
it. And because they're trying to show a united front, I, I could say for sure, I know that's the
00:33:59.140
case because I I've been in green rooms. All right. I've been in green rooms with, with, with people
00:34:04.000
who are sitting there complaining about what Trump said, and then they go on TV and defend it.
00:34:10.140
So I've, and anyone who's in media, we've all been in that. We all know in media, we all know the
00:34:15.420
conversations we have behind the scenes. Um, and I just, I'll just tell you that, uh, I've talked to a
00:34:23.600
lot of people in the conservative media space and things like Trump's tweeting almost there's,
00:34:29.140
agreement among almost everybody that it's stupid and he needs to stop a lot of it,
00:34:33.180
but they won't say it publicly. A lot of them. And I, I, I can understand the thought process
00:34:39.300
united front and all that. And you don't want to say something that's going to be exploited by, um,
00:34:47.680
by, by the, the other side as it were. But I still think that
00:34:54.240
number one, we, we can't forfeit truth. I, I, if we do that, even if it seems like a small truth,
00:35:04.120
if we forfeit truth and honesty, uh, then I really don't see the point of anything anymore.
00:35:12.500
So this isn't a sermon or a homily on my part. I, I really, I honestly do not see, I do not see the
00:35:19.020
point. If we're going to say, well, let's not be honest. Let's not be truthful. Let's pretend to
00:35:25.060
hold views. We don't actually have for the sake of winning. Well, I could dispute whether or not
00:35:31.460
that's actually a, a, an effective strategy. I don't think it is, but even if it were, I don't,
00:35:37.140
what are we fighting for? The thing that gets me up every morning, um, the thing that motivates me
00:35:45.520
is that I feel like I'm fighting for truth, you know? And if I'm, if, if that's not it,
00:35:52.340
if we're giving that up and say, yeah, it doesn't matter. That doesn't matter as much.
00:35:56.860
Then I don't see the point. I don't, I don't even know why I'm doing this. I might as well just go
00:36:00.240
work at, you know, I might as well just leave this and go work at Jiffy Lube or something. It just,
00:36:05.420
why, why do this? So even something like video games, I, you know, if you agree that there are some
00:36:14.660
issues with video games, um, and things like we should, we should parent, not the government,
00:36:22.640
parents should regulate how much time the kids spend playing video games, things like that.
00:36:27.840
I think you should say so publicly for, for no other reason than it's, it's the honest thing to do.
00:36:35.600
And if that's, if that's not enough to motivate us, then I also think, you know, um, coming across
00:36:44.900
as less reasonable than you really are. I don't think that's an effective debating strategy.
00:36:52.660
So when you have gamers that did not, at least publicly, well, even if they feel differently in
00:36:56.820
their heads who publicly deny that there's anything wrong with video games at all, or that they could
00:37:02.520
have any negative impact, well, you just come across as unreasonable and people are going to
00:37:08.340
take you less seriously. So if we're not worried about the moral aspect of being dishonest, then
00:37:16.520
what about this? I think coming across as unreasonable, as incapable of nuanced thinking,
00:37:23.480
I don't think that ultimately helps. I think it's going to, what it leads to, whether we're talking
00:37:28.140
about gamers or Trump fans or any, any category of people, when they pretend to be less reasonable
00:37:33.980
than they are, they pretend that they can't understand nuanced arguments. Uh, I think what
00:37:39.060
that leads to is people aren't going to take you seriously anymore and are not going to listen to
00:37:43.880
what you have to say. See, I've, I've been at this point with, with a lot of gamers, honestly,
00:37:49.160
um, this week that I've gotten tons of emails and messages and things from, from, from people who
00:37:55.720
play video games and 90% of them are so unreasonable that it makes me want to tune it out and say,
00:38:04.240
I don't care what any of you people have to say. I can't, cause I can't talk to you.
00:38:08.240
Now I hear from someone like you, um, Peter, and it makes me say, okay, well, here's a reasonable
00:38:12.540
person. I'm so glad. That's why I'm talking to you now for 20 minutes. I'm just so, it's so
00:38:15.820
refreshing. I can talk to a reasonable person about this. So I think, um, being reasonable,
00:38:20.200
I think, I think is, uh, not only the morally correct choice, but ultimately I think it helps
00:38:25.960
us. Um, whatever your cause may be, I think it helps your cause. All right. This is from LD says,
00:38:32.880
hello, Matt, you're a fan of calling things stupid and cowardly. Well, you rant about white supremacy,
00:38:37.780
your, your rant about white supremacy and antisemitism yesterday, white supremacy and antisemitism in
00:38:43.120
scare quotes, by the way, was stupid and cowardly. These are hoaxes perpetuated by the left to
00:38:48.060
slander conservatives. You play right into their hands by panicking about these boogeymen
00:38:52.180
disappointed. Um, okay. LD. I agree that the left slanders conservatives as white supremacists
00:39:04.000
and white nationalists and racist. And I talk about that all the time. Uh, and I am obviously opposed to
00:39:10.920
that. And those labels don't have the impact they once did because they are so often misused.
00:39:18.440
And that's something that a lot of us have been trying to explain to the left
00:39:21.340
for a while now, that when you go around calling everybody that anyone who disagrees with you is a
00:39:27.160
racist. Well, what you've made it is so that when you actually encounter a real racist, you have
00:39:33.200
nothing left to say about them that will have any impact because you've already used that word a
00:39:38.960
million times where it didn't apply. And so it's the old boy who cried wolf situation.
00:39:45.720
So that's, that's, that's all true. But to suggest that white nationalists, racists don't exist
00:39:53.300
is obviously absurd. They do exist. They've been coming after me all week. Okay. I can report they
00:40:03.620
exist. Talk to Ben. You know, uh, Ben has 24 hour security following him around because of these
00:40:11.240
people, because of the threats that he gets. So I, you know, LD, I'm gonna, I'm, I'm gonna do you the
00:40:19.640
favor of assuming that you just don't know what you're talking about. And maybe you don't because
00:40:25.500
you, you, you haven't, you haven't encountered these people. You haven't come up against them.
00:40:28.980
And so you, you just don't know, but I'm telling you, they exist. They are very real.
00:40:36.380
And Ben is not the only media figure who needs security around the clock because of them.
00:40:42.600
That's not a joke. That's, that's real. Um, and they are some of the most vile creatures on earth
00:40:49.500
without, without even, it's not even close. I can tell you, it's not even close. Uh, when it comes to
00:40:54.220
the hate mail and stuff that I get, the, the, the most disgusting vile hate mail talking about my
00:41:01.160
family, you know, personal stuff, the majority of it comes from these types, these types who you say
00:41:08.660
don't even exist. Well, am I hallucinating? We're all just hallucinating here. Well, I'll tell you
00:41:14.980
what's not a hallucination is the three mass shootings. Over 80 people have died in three mass
00:41:20.620
shooting events, um, perpetrated by people who specifically were motivated by white nationalist
00:41:26.300
talking points. They all specifically stated that they were committing these acts to advance
00:41:31.700
the white nationalist cause three mass shootings in eight months. How many do you need? That's what
00:41:40.100
I asked yesterday. Do you need 10? Do you need 15, 20, 30? So it's a real question. How many do you
00:41:45.780
need before you're willing to admit that? Yes, they're real and they're a problem. 80 people
00:41:53.160
dead in eight months. That's not enough for you. An average of 10 a month, not enough. What do you
00:41:57.760
need? You need, you need 90, a hundred, 800. Just give me a number. Give me the number. Give me the
00:42:04.360
body count. White nationalists are a small group. Yes. They're a fringe group. Yes. But they are loud.
00:42:11.240
They are vocal. They are scum. And every once in a while they go out and murder dozens of people.
00:42:17.940
The suggestion that we should just ignore them and pretend they don't exist. Well,
00:42:21.560
well, what else do I call that? But stupid and cowardly. You're right. I am a fan of those two
00:42:26.820
words because there's so much stupid and cowardly stuff happening. And here's an example.
00:42:31.080
Maybe I should say stupid or cowardly. I think if you're going to, if you really think that they
00:42:39.680
don't exist or they're not an issue, then I think that's just stupidity on your part. If you know they
00:42:43.860
exist and that they're out killing people and you say we still, still shouldn't talk about, then you're
00:42:47.780
a coward. So those are the two options. Um, listen, goes without saying, but if, if there had been
00:42:59.440
three of the deadliest mass shootings in history, totaling 80, 80 casualties, um, over the last few
00:43:07.520
months, perpetrated by Antifa members, then you LD and every conservative would be screaming about it
00:43:16.320
at the top of your lungs. And I know you're going to say, well, Dayton, Ohio, that was an Antifa member.
00:43:21.440
Sure. It was. And what are conservatives doing? They're screaming about it. And for good reason,
00:43:26.940
even though, look, there, there is, and the fact his, that shooter was a radical left winger.
00:43:33.200
That's a fact. That's a fact that should be discussed. It's a relevant fact. It is a, it is a,
00:43:38.440
it is also a fact that, um, we know that if, you know, if he were a Trump fan and all this stuff,
00:43:45.700
uh, the media would be plastering that everywhere. They're not with, in this case, and that's for
00:43:50.220
political reasons. And that's dishonest. So that's all true. It's also true. And it can't be denied
00:43:56.180
that there is a distinction between the El Paso shooter and the Dayton shooter in that we know
00:44:02.480
that the El Paso shooter was specifically doing this for political reasons to advance his,
00:44:09.660
his evil ideology, which is white nationalism. We know that he was very clear about that.
00:44:15.360
Now the Dayton shooter, as it stands right now, we don't know his motives. It's, it's right now,
00:44:21.120
it seems very possible that he happened to be a left wing, uh, lunatic, but this was a domain.
00:44:27.280
He killed his own sister. So it seems like this could have been a domestic thing and the politics
00:44:32.560
were unrelated or only tangentially related. And that's, you know, I, maybe that's another one of
00:44:39.740
those truths. I'm supposed to just pretend I don't notice, or it's a distinction. I'm supposed to
00:44:43.500
pretend I can't see, you know, in order to be a good team player, but that's, uh, that's, that's,
00:44:50.720
that's the reality. And what I'm saying is if in the past eight months, there had been three
00:44:57.900
massive mass shootings, like I said, it's three of the worst in history have been carried out by
00:45:03.300
these people in eight months. If there had been three mass shootings to that level in the last eight
00:45:08.920
months perpetrated by Antifa members who wrote manifestos saying they were doing this, um,
00:45:16.220
in order to advance the Antifa cause, you would have conservatives saying, you know what? We need
00:45:21.140
to shut down every Antifa group. We need to arrest all of them. It needs to be, we, you know, the next
00:45:25.200
time the Antifa gathers, the FBI needs to show up, arrest them all, throw them in Guantanamo.
00:45:29.360
That's what conservatives would be saying. And we all know it. Instead, what you're saying about
00:45:34.200
this LD because you are a coward is, Oh, you know, they, they don't even exist. These white
00:45:38.620
Nats, they don't exist. No, I see nothing. See nothing. I see nothing. All right. Um,
00:45:48.300
from Eric says, hi, Matt, I'm a huge fan of the show. I just wanted to thank you for your sobering
00:45:54.480
view on many of the tough issues. As someone who rejected almost all of my parents' attempts to get
00:45:57.680
me into sports and grew up on video games, I was hoping to add, uh, as you could tell, like, as I said,
00:46:02.960
90% of my, of my email this week has been about video games. Um, I was hoping to add a very
00:46:07.340
different perspective to the violence of video games topic. I think people get overly defensive
00:46:11.180
of video games at the drop of a hat due to video games historically being blamed and attacked on
00:46:15.620
multiple occasions. Okay. So this is a similar point to the one I just read. Uh, I'll finish
00:46:19.960
reading it though. Hillary in 2005 advocated for regulations against them and Gamergate, just to
00:46:24.380
give examples, just like in the gun debate, I think there's a reflex amongst the people who hold
00:46:29.020
them dear to react very defensively out of fear that things will be taken away, whether or not
00:46:32.940
it's justified. I think this is the reaction we are seeing. Um, I think to your point, parents,
00:46:37.920
to your point, parents should be, uh, should be taking over here just as you wouldn't let a seven
00:46:41.520
year old watch Saving Private Ryan. You shouldn't let them play games like Grand Theft Auto either.
00:46:45.480
The only point of disagreement I would have is that I've actually seen research showing video games
00:46:49.220
can act as an outlet for the pent up excitement young boys have. Unlike static forms of media, such as
00:46:54.140
movies and television, this was certainly true for me growing up and my love of them allowed me to
00:46:57.940
make friends that I have had for life. Uh, yeah. Uh, so I already kind of responded to that point
00:47:03.460
and, uh, and it's, you know, I take your point. Um, you, you also threw in that this can, it can be an
00:47:09.380
outlet for aggression. Uh, you know, I, I've expressed my skepticism of studies on this issue
00:47:15.500
on either side, because I think the methodology, it just, it doesn't, it can't really get to the heart
00:47:21.900
of the matter because we're dealing with what motivates human behavior. And that's a really
00:47:26.320
hard thing to quantify in a study. But, um, I would have to look at the study you're talking about
00:47:32.160
that it's a, that this is a, or the research saying this is an outlet. Um, I, it would seem to me that
00:47:41.620
playing video games would be like TV, a method of suppressing the energy and excitement and aggression
00:47:52.900
of a young boy. Um, so an outlet in that sense, which isn't really an outlet, it's suppressive,
00:47:59.080
but, uh, I don't see how it could replace, I don't see how it could really replace it because
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the energy and aggression that a, that a young boy has, it's very physical. There's a physicality
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to it. And that's why you see a, you know, a six-year-old boy like my son just bouncing around
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the house, literally climbing the walls, jumping over the furniture, running around. I mean, I've
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never seen the kid walk six years. I've never seen him walk. I've never seen him walk from point A to
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point B. Well, okay. Unless I told him like, go to bed or go clean your room. And then all of a sudden
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I'll, and then he, and then he almost crawls. He's going, crawls. He's going so slow. So it's
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with my son, he's either moving literally at the pace of a, of a glacier or like continental drift.
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He's either going that slowly or he's running. There's no in between. Um, and that's because
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he's full of energy. And so it's very physical and he needs, and he just, he needs to get that
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physical energy out. I don't see how sitting stationary and moving your thumbs could ever be
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a sufficient outlet for that. I think maybe it could be like a bandaid. Uh, uh, but the kid
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also is going to need to get that physical energy out. Um, all right, let's see. Is there one that
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isn't video game related that I could read here? Um, uh, nope, there isn't. Okay. So I think we,
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I think we've covered the video game discussion and we'll just leave it there. Kind of an
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anticlimactic end. I apologize for that. Thanks for watching everybody. Thanks for listening. Godspeed.
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