Ep. 315 - Incompetence Or Conspiracy？
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Summary
Epstein was a pedophile sex offender who was found dead on the floor of a prison cell in Florida on Friday morning. His death was initially reported as an apparent suicide, but the medical examiner determined it was a homicide, and an investigation into his death is ongoing.
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You know, there's a lot that can be taken from this Epstein thing, a lot of angles to explore,
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a lot of lessons to be learned. But here's one right from the top, I think. And this maybe is
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the main lesson. This is what we all can take from it. And that is, don't be a scumbag.
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You know, don't be a scumbag. Look at the reaction to Epstein's death. I mean, the guy died.
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However he died, it was apparently somewhat gruesome. And how has the world reacted to that?
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Mockery, derision, anger, not because we're sad that he's dead, but because he didn't suffer enough
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and he didn't get to testify against his friends. Certainly no sadness, no mourning of any kind,
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no respect even. And for good reason. Don't take this the wrong way. I'm not sitting here saying
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that we should be more respectful of the pedophile sex offender because he's dead now. In fact,
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the whole idea that, you know, we should have respect for an unrespectable person just because
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they happen to die, to me, has never made a lot of sense. He's getting exactly the reaction he
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deserves. But that shows you something, doesn't it? It shows you he lived his life with no concern
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for basic human dignity. He had his sick, twisted fun in whatever way he wanted to have it. And all
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of that went away in the blink of an eye. And now he's a cold, lifeless corpse that was found
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on the floor of a jail cell. And the whole world now is spitting on his grave. And for as long as he
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is remembered at all, he will be remembered only as a profoundly evil degenerates dirtbag. And that's all
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his legacy is going to be. And the most significant thing about his life is going to be his death.
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Only because we're trying to figure out how it happened.
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That's, it shows you the futility of evil, doesn't it? This guy had his glamorous private islands and
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his jets and all of that kind of stuff. But then all of that was gone in an instant. And his body was
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just laying there on the cold cement floor. And people spent the weekend making fun of his suicide
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or apparent suicide with internet memes. It's just not worth it, I guess is what I'm trying to say.
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Being evil is just not worth it. In the end, the trade-off isn't worth it. So I think that's the
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first lesson. Don't be a scumbag. That's what we, hopefully we can all take from this and say,
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gee, uh, I, you know, maybe I don't want to be a scumbag, um, as it turns out, but there's a lot
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more to be said. And, um, as we look at the latest on the Epstein case and we try to figure out what
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died on Friday, of course, as you've heard just hours after thousands of pages of his case files
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were released to the public files that implicate some of the most powerful and richest people on
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earth, including, uh, apparently Prince Andrews, uh, Prince Andrew, I should say Andrews, Prince
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Andrews mentioned other famous rich people, not always by name. Um, but hours after that he's
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dead. And now we're being told by the, uh, by the prison in New York where he was kept that he was
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taken off of suicide watch a few weeks ago, even though apparently he allegedly tried to kill himself
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earlier, um, last month, he was on suicide watch. They took him off of it. And now we're told that
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there's no video of the alleged suicide conveniently because the camera, uh, wasn't trained into his cell.
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They've got video maybe that shows the comings and goings outside of the cell, but there's no video of
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the cell itself. And we're told that his cellmate, who he did have a cellmate apparently, but his cellmate
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was transferred out of his cell hours before he died, before Epstein died. And we're told that
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prison guards were supposed to check on Epstein every 20 minutes, but they hadn't checked on him
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for several hours leading up to his death. It's a lot of coincidences going on here.
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You know, we've got the release of the documents. We've got, he's taken off a suicide watch
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inexplicably. Cellmate is transferred out. They don't check on him and now he's dead.
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And that's why, and look, I know that we're being lectured by the media not to engage in conspiracy
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theories. There's been a lot of that by the media saying, Oh, it's irresponsible, irresponsible to
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talk about conspiracy theories. There is nothing crazy or irresponsible about wondering whether the
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official narrative is actually true, especially because there really isn't an official narrative
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yet. I mean, well, the official narrative, I guess, is that he committed suicide, but there's
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not a lot, there's not much else to it. We know that Epstein was a pimp to some of the most powerful
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people on the planet. We know that. Okay. That's not a, it's not a theory. We know that we know that
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those people, obviously, whoever his clientele consisted of, these are people who by definition
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were sex abusers and child rapists. And we also know that they probably didn't want to be exposed
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as such. And we know, we can assume anyway, that if you're willing to rape kids, if you're willing to
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fly around the world with a sex trafficker and, uh, and, uh, molest and abuse and rape children all
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across the globe, you probably will have no moral compunctions about killing a witness, especially when
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the witness is a scumbag himself. I mean, compared to, I mean, really, if you're, if you're one of
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these, uh, rich, wealthy child rapists, you might as well kill Epstein. You're already, I mean, your
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ticket to hell's already booked anyway. I mean, what's the, what's the difference considering all the
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other bad things you've done? Um, so we know all that. So it's certainly not at all unreasonable
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in the slightest bit to think that they would want to off this guy to keep him quiet. It just makes,
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of course they would. Powerful criminals kill or attempt to kill witnesses all the time. So the
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people that are acting like this is some guy, conspiracy theory, what do you think witness
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protection is? Why do you think that exists? It's because if you're going to, if you're going to turn
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witness against, uh, some high ranking criminal of some kind, a mob boss, for instance, uh, then
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they might want to take you down. So you've got to be protected. The people that, that Epstein was,
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uh, gallivanting around with, these people were far more powerful than some mob boss in New Jersey.
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So this isn't, we're not talking faked moon landings and lizard people here. Okay. This is a
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logical thought process. And I don't know, you know, I don't know what happened to him. Neither
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do you. Nobody does right now, or at least the people who do know, aren't, aren't saying so. All
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I know is that a global sex trafficker with rich and powerful clients died in his cell under very
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mysterious circumstances. That's what I know. Uh, was it a conspiracy? Well, it sure as hell could
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have been. Now I will say this though, over the weekend, uh, folks on the right spent their time
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blaming, uh, Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton, the Clintons in general, there was hashtag Clinton
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body count was trending on Twitter. And then people on the left were blaming Trump and saying
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hashtag Trump body count. It was just this back and forth. I'll say right now that you don't have
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to be a fan of either of those people. I mean, whether you're, if you don't have to be a Clinton
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fan, you don't have to be a Trump fan. Um, from a purely non-partisan perspective, uh, I, I find it
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very difficult to believe that either of them had anything to do with this. And here's why
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the Clintons are a joke now. Uh, so the people that's how the Clintons are everywhere, killing,
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killing witnesses. You don't, you almost give them too much credit. I'm not saying that they
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wouldn't do that if they had the chance, but, um, these are totally morally bankrupt individuals,
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of course, but you, you, you are giving them way more power than they actually have. The Clinton's
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right. The Clinton machine basically doesn't exist anymore. It's defunct. Um, and they just,
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they don't have a lot of power. I mean, who, if who's, who's going to listen to Bill Clinton?
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If Bill Clinton comes along and says, yeah, you need to kill this guy. Why should I do that? What
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are you going to do? What, what do you have over me? Uh, so I don't think Clinton has that kind of
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power in Trump. Again, you know, yeah, if you're a Trump fan, you're going to say, ah,
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he would never do that. But even if you're not a Trump fan, um, Trump hardly has control over his
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own white house. He can't stop the leaks and everything coming from his own white house.
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So you think he can, you think he'd be able to arrange something like this? No. Um, in both cases,
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there are people in this world far, far, far richer and far, far, far more powerful than either
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Trump or Clinton. And yeah, I know that Trump is president of the United States, ostensibly,
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allegedly the most powerful person in the world because of that, but he's really not. And this
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is not, again, this is, you know, we're not talking lizard people here. Okay. It's just, it's,
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it's a fact that, um, an American politician, even the president, he's in office for four to eight
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years, eight years at most, then he's gone. He's, he's a politician. He doesn't have, uh, he doesn't
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rule over his, his, his massive bureaucratic government with an iron fist. He can't control
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everything that the government does. Um, there are people in the world, a lot more powerful than
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that. You know, if you are, I mean, Jeff Bezos, the Amazon, the guy's worth like a hundred billion
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dollars. Do you know how much power a hundred billion dollars can buy you? And I'm not implicating
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Jeff Bezos here, by the way, I'm just an example of a more powerful person. Um, and, uh, and so I,
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if this was some kind of conspiracy, if this was a hit carried out on a famous inmate in federal
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prison, if it was, if it was, it could have been, we don't know the person responsible is probably a
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very, very, very wealthy and very, very powerful person. Um, and it could quite likely be someone
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who's, who's, you know, so rich and powerful that you don't even know their name, you know, not,
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not like a celebrity. We're not talking celebrity, rich and powerful. We're talking about above that
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and we'll probably never know who they are. And that, and that's the unfortunate reality of the
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situation. They're, they're probably never going to be held accountable for it.
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There is another possibility though. Um, of course there's, there's this conspiracy possibility,
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uh, but there's, there's more than that. Um, and there's, there's the other, there's the more
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it is a conspiracy theory, but it's a perfectly reasonable one. The other possibility this is
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now, and this is according to the most boring possibility law or theorem, whatever you want
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to call it, which is a law that I just made up. Uh, and this law states that the answer to every
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mystery is always the most boring possible answer. If you're trying to explain something
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and you survey five different possibilities, uh, for answers or 50 different possible answers,
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the answer is going to be the most boring of the five or the 50. And that's how you can figure it out.
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Just which one is the most boring and the most mundane. Okay. That's going to be the answer.
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This is basically Occam's razor is what I'm talking about here. A version of that. And the most boring
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mundane possibility here is that he really killed himself. Um, and he wasn't able to do it by
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government incompetence. Um, murder is a very real possibility, but I think the most likely
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explanation is that plain old government incompetence is to blame. That's, that's the
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most likely explanation. It's not hard to see why Epstein would want to kill himself. He lived his
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life of luxury. Now he's facing the rest of his life in a, you know, eight foot wide cell. Um,
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and so his, his desire to kill himself isn't surprising. What's surprising is that he was
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able to do it, but in order for him to be enabled to do it, there would need to be a lot of incompetence
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in enormous amount of incompetence, not just your average amount of government bureaucratic
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incompetence, but, but like severe stage four incompetence. Um, because you've got the most
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important inmate in the whole federal prison system, arguably he has information on a vast
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pedophilia network that spans the globe, um, implicating hundreds of powerful people. You know,
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he wants to kill himself. You know, other people would probably want to kill him. Uh, and, and so all
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you need to do to prevent that is watch him and he's not going anywhere. It's not like you're,
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you're, you're trailing him or something, uh, in a car, right? He's just, he's sitting in a cell
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for 23 hours a day. All you have to do is watch him and you can use cameras too, to do it.
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Yet they, they couldn't do that. That is extraordinary incompetence. But is it easy to believe that our
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government would be that incompetent would be so extraordinarily incompetent they could somehow
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botch this? Yeah, it's easy to believe. Our government is certainly capable of that level
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of incompetence. And, uh, and that's, you know, that, that, this is one of the reasons why, um,
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I usually reject a lot of conspiracy theories about how the government staged the moon landing
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or plan nine 11 or whatever. Well, because most of the time there's no evidence for it. And in fact,
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all of the evidence goes the other direction. So that's one reason not to believe those kinds of
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conspiracies. But also if you understand how our government works, it's just, it's impossible to
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believe that they could pull off a vast far reaching conspiracy with, and everybody remains silent.
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Everyone cooperates like staging a moon landing, for instance. Um, if you think about how many people
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in government would have to be involved in that would have to cooperate and, and, and stay on task
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and remain, uh, quiet about it, keep it a secret. It's just, it's, there's no way there's no way our
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government could ever do that. It's just, it's not going to happen. Um, again, you really give them
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too much credit. I almost would like, it would almost be more impressive. Actually, that's the thing.
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It would be more impressive if our government pulled off a fake moon landing than if they actually just
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went to the moon. Actually going to the moon would be so much easier than faking it. Um,
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so, and which kind of goes back to an Occam's razor type of thing. So you've got to keep the
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incompetence in mind. It is, it is perfectly easy to believe that they just botched this.
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Yeah. Yeah. Somehow they, they managed to pulling, pulling, uh, you know, uh, a defeat from the jaws
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of victory type of thing could have easily been that, but whether it was incompetence or, uh, a
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conspiracy or whatever it was, or, you know, a combination of them, um, because there is a,
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there is a possible combination sort of thing where Epstein did kill himself, but you know,
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the prison guards looked the other way either because they just wanted to, because they hate him
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or because they were paid off or whatever. Again, these are just possibilities. Who knows
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of all, whatever, whatever it is, whatever the explanation is. And, and as I said, I don't,
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I don't think we're ever going to find out, but so whatever it is, it's always going to be
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speculative and theoretical, but whatever it is, the most depressing thing is that it just goes to
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show once again, um, that the elites in this country are above the law. A lot of powerful people
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are probably going to escape prosecution now. Like they always do. It was, it was always almost
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too good to believe not that this pedophilia network existed, but that they were actually
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going to be taken down. You think, okay, they got, they got a guy like Epstein. I mean, how often do
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you arrest someone like that? And you think, are they finally now going to be able to take down some
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of these powerful scumbags for once? Well, no, apparently not. And they, these people maintain
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their untouchability, both through active efforts on their part and also by exploiting and relying on
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the incompetence of government. So whatever the explanation is, it's more of the same.
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And we tell ourselves this story, um, in this country about we, the people and the people have
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the power, right? That's the story we tell ourselves. That's the, that's the myth. That's
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the great American myth. And it is a myth because in the end, in the end here, you or I, if we commit
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a crime, it doesn't matter what the crime is. It could be a crime way, way, way less severe than
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what these people with Epstein were doing. But you or I commit a crime, we're going to jail.
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Uh, but if you're, you know, a billionaire, if you're well-connected, it really doesn't matter
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what you do. And this isn't just America. It's been this way across the world. It's been this way
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since the dawn of time. It's, it's been this way everywhere all the time. The difference is we like
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to think it's different here. Like we've, we've set up a system that is impervious to that, but it's
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not. I think it's the, I still think it's the best possible system of all of the, of all of the bad
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options. It's the best one, but this fact remains the same, that not everybody is subject to the law.
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And, you know, it's that recognition that we all have about the just inherent unfairness
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of, of the system. That's what leads a lot of people to come up with these conspiracy theories.
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Even the, even the conspiracy theories that are crazy and stupid, um, even those, I think
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there are otherwise intelligent people who buy into some of those, even though they should know
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better. There are otherwise intelligent people to buy into those because they have so little faith
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in the government. And we all have so little faith. That's why, you know, you hear Epstein died
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and immediately almost everyone thought the same thing because we just have so little faith in our
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system. All right. Um, so apparently moving on here, the, this past week was the fifth anniversary
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of Ferguson. You may remember Ferguson leftists rioted and the media encouraged the riots over a
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false narrative after a thug who robbed a convenience store, tried to kill a cop and was, it was shot in
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self-defense. Um, you remember that I'm sure. Well, some prominent Democrat presidential candidates
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decided to observe this solemn anniversary by blatantly lying about it. What else is new repeating
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debunked claims and stirring up racial hatred. Um, let me read a couple of these, uh, these, uh,
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statements put out on Twitter, um, by Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren. Kamala Harris said
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Michael Brown's murder forever changed Ferguson in America. His tragic death sparked a desperately
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needed conversation and a nationwide movement. We must fight for stronger accountability and
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racial, racial equity in our justice system. Um, and Elizabeth Warren says five years ago,
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Michael Brown was murdered by a white police officer in Ferguson, Missouri. Uh, Michael was
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unarmed yet. He was shot six times. I stand with activists and organizers who continue to fight for
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justice for Michael. We must confront, uh, systemic racism and police violence head on.
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This is what, what both of these women have done here. I know we're used to it now, but it's,
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it would be difficult to overstate just how dishonest and cynical and despicable
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Calling it a murder. Not just that, but also libelous. If I was, uh, what was the officer's
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name? Darren, Darren Wilson. If I was officer Wilson, I'd be suing both of these people.
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This is, this is, this is slanderous. They both know. Okay. I'll tell you right now, Elizabeth
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Warren and Kamala Harris, unlike maybe some of their stupid followers, these women themselves,
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they're smart enough to know when they're plugged in and they know that what they just said was a
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lie. He was not murdered. And that, and that fact has been established beyond any reasonable doubt.
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There have been multiple investigations on the state and federal level under the Obama administration
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and Eric Holder that determined that this was not murder. This was not racism. This was not a hate
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crime. This was not murder. The grand jury investigation determined that a, an investigation
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by the DOJ. Once again, the DOJ under Eric Holder and Obama investigated this. And even they, now they
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would have loved to find a reason to say that this was a hate crime. This was whatever. They would love,
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they would have, they were hoping, they were begging to find that evidence. And even they couldn't find it
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because all of the evidence went to vindicate Darren Wilson. Let's go over the facts again.
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Um, and this is just off the top of my head because, you know, I remember this. And so I know
00:25:35.800
that these two people remember it. Michael Brown and his friend went to a convenience store and robbed
00:25:45.100
the place for no reason, just for fun. It was a strong arm robbery. They're on video. They,
00:25:50.500
Michael Brown grabs the store clerk by the shirt collar or the neck, shoves him to the side,
00:25:55.640
assaults him, walks out after stealing, whatever he stole. Some, some minor thing. Again, there was
00:26:00.120
no even reason to do it. They were just looking to, to, uh, to be thugs. They were just looking to,
00:26:06.880
to bully this guy. And then they stroll out of there and, and, uh, officer Wilson tries to stop them.
00:26:14.540
Uh, at which point as officer Wilson's trying to get out of his car, he is basically shoved back
00:26:20.260
into the car. The door is slammed shut. Uh, uh, uh, Michael Brown attacks officer Wilson while
00:26:28.060
Wilson's still in the car, starts attacking him, um, hitting him, tries to reach for the gun.
00:26:36.060
The gun goes off. He runs away. Officer Wilson, Wilson tells him to stop. He stops and starts
00:26:42.420
charging at officer Wilson. And, uh, even after, even after he's hit a couple of times as officer
00:26:49.260
Wilson's shooting at him in self-defense, he still keeps charging. And then finally he takes
00:26:52.780
a shot to the head and he dies. That's what happened. And that's not my version. Okay. That's
00:26:58.720
not, it's not even really a theory of the crime, which, which wasn't a crime. That's, that is what
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happened. That is, again, that's the result of two different investigations on the state and local
00:27:11.000
level or the federal and local level that is corroborated by eyewitness testimony and forensic
00:27:17.640
and physical evidence. You know, they've got the, the gun residue, they've got DNA evidence,
00:27:24.480
they've got witnesses, all of that altogether confirms and establishes, uh, this version of
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events that Michael Brown was the aggressor that he was trying to, when you're trying to take a gun
00:27:40.920
from a cop, that's, you're trying to kill him. He has, he has certainly every right to assume in that
00:27:44.760
case that you want to kill him. And so he is going to use whatever force necessary to stop that just
00:27:52.640
like anyone else would. So officer Wilson was in a fight for his life against this person.
00:28:02.980
Michael Brown's death. It's not a tragedy actually. Um, it's, it's a, it's a, a travesty
00:28:11.020
in the sense that he threw his own life away, but this was a criminal, this was a violent criminal,
00:28:18.700
uh, who, who brought about his own demise. So no, that's not some sort of national tragedy where we
00:28:28.020
all go into mourning that this guy died. That's his fault. This was a violent, dangerous person
00:28:35.000
who went out of his way. I mean, he's going out of his way that it's like, he woke up that day and
00:28:40.920
said, you know what? I'm just going to be violent and cause trouble with whoever I see. That's what
00:28:44.500
I'm going to do today. Well, you know what? When you wake up in the morning and that's your intention,
00:28:51.100
you might end up dead. That's, and I'm sorry, I'm not going to, I'm not going to go to sleep at
00:28:56.300
night crying over it. The saddest thing about the Ferguson case was not what happened to Michael
00:29:03.180
Brown, who again, was the aggressor, was trying to kill someone and was rightly killed in the
00:29:07.280
process. And it is totally 100% his fault. The most tragic thing that's the saddest thing is what
00:29:14.740
happened to officer Wilson. His life was destroyed over this. Harris and Elizabeth Warren both know
00:29:23.000
everything that I'm saying right now. They know that. In fact, there was a tweet that I found from
00:29:27.820
Elizabeth Warren back five, five, four, four or five years ago, whenever it was saying that,
00:29:33.520
you know, she, she, she's grateful that the DOJ is investigating the Ferguson case because she
00:29:40.080
wants to get straight answers. Well then guess what? They investigated and they came up with straight
00:29:45.200
answers and they released their report and they said, yep, look, we've looked at the forensics.
00:29:49.200
We've talked to the witnesses. And, and yeah, this was not, this was not murder. That was the
00:29:54.780
straight answer. Well, I guess apparently Elizabeth Warren, she didn't like the straight answers that
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she got. What an absolute fraud these people are. I mean, what manipulative, disgraceful,
00:30:06.800
despicable frauds these people are. They are not saying this in a vacuum.
00:30:15.920
You know, they, they know what the atmosphere is. They know about the racial tensions in this country
00:30:21.900
and they would throw that in. This is like, it's like, it's like, it's like throwing a stick of
00:30:26.880
dynamite into a, you know, just opening the, a door and just thrown in dynamite, not knowing who's in
00:30:33.900
there. It's like, Hey, whatever. Absolutely disgusting. Um, and by the way, as far as the witnesses go,
00:30:44.880
there were witnesses that whose testimony lined up completely with the forensic evidence.
00:30:51.900
And those are witnesses who, you know, are reliable. Uh, and there were also witnesses
00:30:55.960
who originally said that they, they, these were the ones who came up with the hands up,
00:30:59.980
don't shoot thing, which was a total lie. It didn't happen. It didn't have the people who
00:31:04.880
invented that. And it was invented. They recanted it and admitted that they lied.
00:31:09.960
So the original few witnesses who started this whole thing by claiming, by making up this whole
00:31:16.680
mythological scenario that never really happened, they recanted. And somehow the media missed this
00:31:22.360
where they, they said they didn't, they didn't make that didn't happen.
00:31:28.320
All right. Um, let's go to emails. Matt wall show at gmail.com. Matt wall show at gmail.com.
00:31:34.480
This is from Lawrence says Matt Epstein wasn't protected by the government because the government
00:31:39.300
killed him. He had information on high ranking government officials. That's why they arranged his
00:31:43.460
murder. Well, you see Lawrence, see this, this is, I think this is how you differentiate between
00:31:51.600
a sort of reasonable theory, which may be a conspiracy and the kind of unreasonable and
00:31:59.520
reckless conspiracy theorist stuff where I think you're, you're more on the unreasonable and reckless
00:32:05.840
because what you're doing here is you're just stating as fact. I mean, you, as far, you have no
00:32:11.480
information. I mean, if you have information, then talk to the FBI or talk to somebody, don't just email
00:32:16.900
me about it. But see, this is what, this, this is where conspiracy theorists do annoy me where they
00:32:22.740
just say, they just state like, this is what happened. Yep. 9-11 was inside job. I know it. I just do.
00:32:30.320
You know, I know that's, this is, this is it. This is the thing. You can't say that. Um,
00:32:37.760
so, uh, I think we do have to be careful there. Just stating when we don't know what happened,
00:32:45.300
you can't just come up with your own version and just say that that's how it happened. You have no,
00:32:52.040
you have no evidence. What we have here are a bunch of gaps in the official story. And there are a lot
00:32:59.900
of gaps. I fully admit that. And so you can come up with theories. You can come up with possibilities
00:33:05.520
of how we might fill in those gaps, but the, whatever possibility you come up with in your
00:33:11.960
head, the existence of the gap does not in itself prove your theory because there are a million other,
00:33:20.460
other possibilities. Um, this is from Oportis. I am a 19 year old conservative man. And I listen to
00:33:30.820
your podcast every day. I want to get married early around 23, 24, but my family is more liberal and
00:33:35.220
tells me that I am insane. So that's nice of them. I also say that I don't want to live with
00:33:40.260
my girlfriend and remain celibate until marriage. Um, I assume you mean you want to remain celibate.
00:33:46.180
You don't want to live with your girlfriend. You want, uh, what are some good arguments that
00:33:49.600
could be made for not sleeping with your girlfriend until marriage and also not to live together as well.
00:33:54.620
People seem to dismiss these ideas way too quickly, in my opinion, and ridicule others who want
00:33:58.800
or try to live up to these standards. Well, Oportis, if that's your real name, I think the
00:34:05.080
first argument you should present in favor of this choice of yours is that it's your life and this is
00:34:09.460
how you want to live. Liberals are, if your family are liberals, liberals are supposed to respect that
00:34:14.900
argument. I mean, that's really the only argument they respect. It's the only argument they ever make
00:34:18.500
for anything. So you should be able to say, you know, I don't care if you, if you agree this,
00:34:24.480
this is what I want to do. They should respect that. Aside from that, I think there are a lot
00:34:30.980
of really good, logical, practical reasons not to live together before marriage. And you don't,
00:34:35.580
you don't even need to invoke morality or bring the Bible into it. Um, I've written about this at
00:34:42.000
length elsewhere, but just to be very brief here, first of all, despite common claims, a marriage
00:34:48.200
is not something you can try out or try on. Um, the thing that defines a marriage that makes it a
00:34:57.380
marriage is not your physical proximity to the other person. Although that's part of it, that's a
00:35:03.200
feature, but the defining aspect of marriage is the bond, the union, the commitment that you make to
00:35:11.040
each other. Therefore, by definition, you can't try out a commitment. It's you're either committed or
00:35:16.640
you're not. There's no, Hey, let's see what it's like if we're committed to each other, because if,
00:35:22.180
if that's what you're doing, then that's not by definition, that's not a commitment. That is,
00:35:25.860
that's a preliminary sort of investigation. So, uh, you're either committed or you're not.
00:35:33.340
Also, I find that people who live together before marriage tend to be looking for the wrong things.
00:35:43.660
Um, what you want in your marriage is someone who you love, who you trust, who you respect.
00:35:53.140
Very important. Um, in fact, I, I would underscore that 10 times, underline it 10 times and circle it
00:36:02.060
because respect in a marriage on both from both the husband and wife is, is so important. And I think
00:36:10.080
what you find in a lot of marriages that fall apart, it's that both spouses just stop respecting
00:36:15.680
each other. And if you don't respect your spouse anymore, it, your marriage is on life support.
00:36:20.960
Your marriage is doomed. Really? If you don't, because it's very hard. If you don't respect
00:36:25.020
someone, it's, it's very hard to conjure respect. And it's very hard to remain married to someone you
00:36:32.300
don't respect. I would imagine. So respect is really important. Um, so you have that,
00:36:37.960
you have love, trust, respect. Um, and then also I think you need to share common goals and,
00:36:44.660
and values. You don't have to have everything in common. And that's sort of my point here,
00:36:49.980
but just on a really basic level, I think you have to have some, there has to be some commonality.
00:36:57.740
If you have all of those pieces, uh, then you're golden, maybe not golden. Now you're still going to
00:37:05.500
have struggles and marriage can still be difficult at times. And so you're, you're still going to have
00:37:09.080
to work through it, but that's all you need to take the plunge. And you can know all of that about
00:37:16.640
someone. You can figure all of that out. I really believe you can figure that out. Uh, if you're an
00:37:23.520
adult now, you know, if you're 14 years old dating, uh, you know, your, your girlfriend, who's,
00:37:27.580
who's your fellow sophomore in high school, then it's a different story. But if you're an adult
00:37:31.940
dating someone, everything I just mentioned, I think you can figure that out in like three weeks.
00:37:37.620
It really doesn't take much time of getting to know someone and talking to someone. I'm not saying
00:37:42.560
you should get married after three weeks, but I think it's, I, I really believe. And if this was
00:37:47.540
the case for me, and you talk to a lot of people who've been married a while, a lot of them are
00:37:51.740
going to tell you that, yeah, I, you know, I knew within weeks, this isn't love at first sight.
00:37:57.760
Love at first sight, of course, is doesn't exist either because there's no way just
00:38:01.920
by looking, I mean, literally at first sight. I remember the first time that I saw my now wife
00:38:06.840
when I was meeting her up for our first, uh, you know, date. And I remember that seeing her and I
00:38:11.780
was attracted to her. But when you, when you, when I, as a guy, you first see a woman, your first
00:38:16.380
thought's going to be like, oh, wow, she's hot. But, but that's, it's not love. There's, you can't
00:38:20.000
know anything else about them just by looking at them. Um, but I think very quickly you can get to
00:38:24.920
know them. And, uh, once you know that, then, then that's all you need to know. Living with them
00:38:30.640
only is going to tell you about lesser peripheral things like their habits, their annoying quirks
00:38:36.200
and so on. But everybody has habits and quirks and you shouldn't need to know what those are
00:38:41.680
before you get married. Because if you do, if you're saying, well, I got to know all that stuff
00:38:47.300
too, before I get married, then you're never going to marry anyone because everybody has stuff like
00:38:52.480
that. So I think cohabitation emphasizes the wrong things. If you say, I got to live with someone
00:39:01.660
for, for two years before I marry them, I think you got to ask yourself, like, what is it about
00:39:05.800
them you're trying to find out that you don't already know? Finally, I think there's something
00:39:12.840
to be, something to be said, a lot to be said, I think, for the unknown in getting married,
00:39:18.200
the excitement, the risk. I think when you live together for, you know, six years and then you
00:39:24.080
get married, you lose almost all of that excitement, that, that feeling that you're really striking out,
00:39:31.260
starting a new phase of life together. Um, I think especially in the beginning, that's
00:39:36.460
so important to have that common feeling and that sense. Uh, it's a little scary, but I think it's
00:39:43.540
important to have it. If you've been, if you've already been living together for six, seven years
00:39:47.860
and then you get married, then your first day of marriage feels just like a normal Tuesday.
00:39:53.260
Uh, it doesn't, doesn't, you know, it doesn't really, it's because it's just basically the
00:39:57.120
same thing you've been doing all along. Uh, nothing's really changed in terms of your everyday
00:40:01.260
lifestyle. So I think all of those, um, reasons are good reasons to not live together
00:40:07.000
before marriage. Uh, let's see. One more is from Katie says, hi, Matt, you asked for disturbing
00:40:12.880
movies. We wish we could unsee. Mine is definitely Pulp Fiction. The scene in quotes, the scene
00:40:19.580
in that movie is etched forever in my memory. And I know what scene you're talking about.
00:40:23.100
Well, we all know the scene in Pulp Fiction. Uh, yeah, we were talking about this on Twitter
00:40:27.680
a few days ago. I was, I don't remember how it came up, but I asked, um, what, what's
00:40:32.460
a movie that you've seen that was so disturbing, horrifying, depressing that you wish you could
00:40:39.340
unsee, like you actively wish that you could, you could erase it from your memory. Like a movie that,
00:40:45.660
that you feel like changed you for the worse and you'll never be the same because you saw it.
00:40:50.240
Uh, and that, that question on Twitter got like 5,000 responses from people. And I think it backfired
00:40:57.600
because I, I, I read through not all of the responses, but I read through some of the thread
00:41:02.380
and I actually found that I was intrigued by a lot of the movies people were mentioning.
00:41:07.840
They said, Oh, I watched this movie. Never watch this movie. I, you'd never watch it. You'll never
00:41:12.000
be the same. And now I'm thinking, now I got to kind of watch that movie. I'm just so curious.
00:41:16.000
I got to watch it. So I feel like I'm going to traumatize myself now even more. Um, but yeah,
00:41:20.620
Pulp Fiction, I actually like Pulp Fiction. I don't know why I like Pulp Fiction. Um, it, you know,
00:41:25.840
if you described Pulp Fiction, Pulp Fiction to someone who's, who hasn't seen it, it wouldn't sound like a
00:41:31.400
good movie and maybe it's not, but there is something I think engaging, not about that,
00:41:35.660
that particular scene. I agree is disturbing, but aside from that, I think it's a interesting movie.
00:41:40.300
Um, but I do, uh, the movie that I, that I nominated as a movie that I wish I could unsee
00:41:47.820
is a movie called, I'm, I'm hesitant to tell you because I don't want you to go watch it. I have
00:41:51.560
curiosity, but it's a movie called funny games. If anyone ever suggests that you watch funny games,
00:41:56.500
uh, don't watch it. That that's one that I, it's just a vile, disgusting movie that shouldn't exist.
00:42:03.940
And I, I watched it years ago and I, I still think about it frequently. And, um, and especially now
00:42:09.760
that I have kids for reasons that I won't go into, um, based on what's in that movie. And I wish I
00:42:15.080
could unsee it. The thing is there's a, when I was younger, I used to have a pretty high tolerance
00:42:23.700
for disturbing and grotesque movies. And as I've gotten older though, and talking to some people,
00:42:31.660
as we were discussing this on Twitter, there are a lot of people that have gone through a similar
00:42:34.460
thing where for some reason, when you're younger, you kind of, you know, you're, you're more into
00:42:39.520
watching those kinds of kinds of movies and it doesn't bother you as much. But as you get older,
00:42:43.800
you just see how absurd that is. Like if I'm going to go watch a movie and I'm not saying that every
00:42:48.720
movie I watch has to be happy go lucky, you know, tearjerker, happy ending. I'm not saying that
00:42:54.100
at all, but the experience of being viscerally disturbed, right? Why would I go seek out that
00:43:03.280
experience? That's another reason why I don't really watch horror movies anymore. Because why,
00:43:07.900
like what's, why would you want to feel that way to feel horrified, terrified, disturbed?
00:43:14.440
It's not an enjoyable sensation. And there's, and there are some, and maybe this is why as you get
00:43:21.260
older, you have less of an appetite for it because you see more of the world and you realize that
00:43:25.920
there are so many disturbing and horrifying things actually happening in the world. There's no reason
00:43:32.200
why I have to go seek out fake versions of it too. I can just turn on the news if I want to be
00:43:36.740
disturbed. Um, but if I'm going to watch something fictional, then I want there to be a little bit
00:43:41.820
more to it. There could be disturbing elements of it, but I don't want that to be the whole point.
00:43:47.600
Um, so yeah, that's a, that's an interesting, but if you have your own nominations, you can
00:43:52.200
email those movies that you wish you could unsee. Um, all right, we will, we'll leave it there.
00:44:11.820
If you prefer facts over feelings, if you aren't offended by the brutal truth, if you can still
00:44:17.960
laugh at the nuttiness filling our national news cycle, well, tune on into the Ben Shapiro show,
00:44:22.260
where you'll get a whole lot of that and much more. We'll see you there.