The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 316 - Fredo Is Furious

00:00:00.000 Okay, important news here. The FDA has announced that, well, they're claiming anyway, that drinking bleach won't cure cancer or autism, which, you know, that's what I have to say to that. I've been drinking bleach for years and I don't have cancer. So what, I mean, what other proof do you need?

00:00:20.420 Sure, my internal organs sometimes leak out of my nose, but I mean, that's just part of growing up. That's part of getting older. To clarify, kids, that is a joke. Definitely don't drink bleach. I had no idea that drinking bleach to cure disease was a thing. Apparently it is. Definitely don't do that.

00:00:40.460 I'm not sure why we needed the FDA to announce this. I guess maybe next they'll announce that, you know, drinking out of a public toilet won't cure diabetes. I mean, there are a lot of things that won't cure things. So it's just general, general advice there.

00:00:55.980 All right, let's look at the latest briefly here in the Epstein case before we move on. We're now being told that Epstein was found, and this was the news last night, he was found hanging with a sheet, a bed sheet around his neck. They say that he tied the sheet to the top of a bunk bed, made a noose, and then somehow hung himself that way.

00:01:18.660 Now, it's a little hard to picture, I guess, because Epstein was, what, six feet tall, and the bunk, I mean, how tall could the bunk bed have been? Couldn't have been, I mean, it's a jail cell. I'm assuming this isn't a 20-foot tall bunk bed, but that's what they say. That's how they say they found him.

00:01:38.340 This is still confusing for a number of reasons. First of all, there was a former inmate at this particular prison who came out a couple days ago and said that, well, he said that it was impossible that Epstein could have killed himself, in his opinion, because there would be no way to do it.

00:01:54.780 He said that the sheets, the bed sheets are like paper thin, so you wouldn't be able, they would break if you tried to use it for that purpose. Though this guy didn't factor in a bunk bed.

00:02:05.480 You know, he was imagining a cell without a bunk bed, but this had a bunk bed. And that's the other thing that doesn't make sense, is you've got the most important inmate in the federal prison system in your custody, the most important inmate because of the testimony he could provide.

00:02:17.880 Um, and he's attempted suicide before, supposedly. And so then you leave him alone with a bed sheet and a bunk bed. I mean, and you don't check on him for hours. That just makes no sense to me.

00:02:34.380 So I have a feeling that the latest report here will not do much to quell the conspiracy theories, um, especially because nobody has any faith in our governing institutions. Like we talked about yesterday, nobody trusts anything they tell us.

00:02:46.560 And so that's, that's also going to make it not much better, but it's still, it, it, it just doesn't make any sense. If considering, even if he wasn't, uh, important because of the testimony, even if, even if it's just a, even if this was just an average, ordinary federal prison inmate, the fact that he's attempted suicide recently, it's not like it was two years ago.

00:03:06.840 So he's attempted suicide in the last month and you leave him with a bed sheet and a bunk bed. It, it, it, that doesn't really make any sense to me at all. All right. Now let's, um, let's take a look at this as we move on quickly. CNN anchor, Chris Cuomo was out, I think to dinner with his family a couple of nights ago. Um, when somebody decided to heckle him and secretly record his Cuomo's reaction,

00:03:35.240 there's video, there's video, which I'll play for you in a second. But of course the video only shows Cuomo's reaction. It doesn't show what was said to him. Um, so we should always, we should always keep that in mind when you see video like this and you're only seeing one side, it picks up in the middle of the conversation and somebody is reacting to something. Anytime you see a video that begins with a person's reaction to something,

00:04:04.120 but you don't see what they're reacting to that should make you, um, that should be a red flag. So, uh, he, but we know that whatever this guy said to Cuomo to set him off, it included calling him a Fredo and Fredo of course is the, one of the brothers in the Godfather, kind of the flunky, stupid brother who gets passed over to become the Godfather in, in favor of Michael, Michael.

00:04:34.120 We own at the end of the second movie, um, which as far as I'm concerned, the end of the second movie is the end of the Godfather series because Godfather three doesn't exist in my, my truth is that Godfather three doesn't exist. Anyway, Cuomo, uh, didn't take too kindly to this bit of mockery. And so here's how that unfolded. Watch this.

00:04:53.120 I thought that, I thought, I thought that's who you were from the right. Call me Fredo. My name is Chris Cuomo. I'm an anchor on CNN. You're much Fredo is from the Godfather. It was our weak brother.

00:05:04.720 Isn't that your brother? And they use it as an Italian aspersion. Any of you Italian? I'm a little bit. I got a little bit. It's a insult to your people. It's an insult to your people. It's like the N word for us. Is that a cool thing? 0.99

00:05:16.120 You're a much more reasonable guy in person than you seem to be on television. Yeah, but if you want to play, then we'll play. You've got something you want to say about what I do on television and say it, but don't be going to call me a f***ing insult. Hey, hey, listen. I don't want any problems, bro. You're going to have a big f***ing problem. What's the problem? It's a little different on TV. Don't f***ing insult me like that. I didn't insult you. You call me Fredo. It's like I call you punk. You like that? You want that to be your nickname? I didn't call you that. You called me Fredo. You know my name's not f***ing Fredo. I thought your name was. You did not think my name was f***ing Fredo. Don't be a liar. You want to be a man. You want to be a man.

00:05:46.120 Stand up like a man. I'm standing up, man. You want to be a man out here. Get f***ing on it. Get on what you said. Get on what you said. I don't have a problem with you, man. You're going to have a f***ing problem. What? What are you going to do about it? I'll f***ing ruin your s***, man. I'll f***ing throw you down these stairs like a f***ing punk. Please do. 0.99

00:06:01.160 Now, judging by social media, a lot of conservatives are giving Cuomo a hard time about this. Painting him as the bad guy in the situation. Acting offended. Like a bunch of wilting little flowers. Traumatized by the fact that Cuomo used bad language. Oh, he used bad language. He threatened violence. Oh my goodness. I've never seen such a thing. I'm so traumatized.

00:06:30.200 They've got their fans out and they're fanning them. That's how a lot of white right-wingers on social media right now. That's how I imagine them. I imagine them typing. In the other hand, they've got a fan and they're fanning themselves to prevent themselves from fainting. They just can't believe the language. The language used.

00:06:45.660 There are people acting offended that Cuomo claimed Fredo is an ethnic slur against Italians. Obviously, that is absurd. Fredo is not an ethnic slur. It's an insult. It's a personal insult.

00:07:00.660 Usually used against someone who is considered the dumb or weak one in the family. If someone's calling you Fredo, they're not making any reference to you being Italian because that's an insult that can be used whether you're Italian or not. 0.97

00:07:16.600 Just to be clear, just so you know how you're being insulted, what they're saying is that you are the dumb, weak, irrelevant one in the family. That's just so you know what they're saying about you. 0.99

00:07:25.560 Fredo doesn't refer to Italian heritage. It refers to family dynamics. Cuomo obviously was wrong to call it an ethnic slur, of course.

00:07:37.120 With that said, I firmly believe and have always believed and have always said that heckling a public figure and secretly recording their reaction to try and get clicks is a punk move.

00:07:52.420 It is a punk move, an absolute punk move, and I hate it. I really hate it. I don't care who the target is. To me, the politics of it don't matter. I just absolutely hate it.

00:08:07.320 To harass this guy, he's not doing anything to you. You don't like his show. You think he's a biased news. All right, whatever. Who cares?

00:08:17.500 He's out with his family. And you come up to him and start mouthing off. The guy filming it deserved to be treated exactly as he was treated.

00:08:30.540 And again, I don't see how the politics matter here. This is just man to man, right? And that's what Cuomo thought this was.

00:08:38.120 He didn't realize he was being filmed. He didn't realize this was a bit that was going to end up on YouTube.

00:08:44.900 He thought this was man to man, and that's how he was treating it. He said, look, man to man. You need to back down.

00:08:51.800 And I respect Cuomo more for that. I guess I'm apparently in a small minority. I respect him more after seeing that.

00:08:58.800 Um, my respect actually went up. I didn't have a lot of respect before. I still don't have a ton, but it's, it has, the respect at least has, uh, has gone that, you know, has gone in the upward direction on the, on the bar graph.

00:09:11.360 Um, yeah, the ethnic slur thing was dumb, but, but whatever he, he didn't make, that wasn't a public claim that he was making.

00:09:19.040 He didn't know he was being reported. The main point is that Cuomo manned up. He handled his business. 0.88

00:09:25.020 He called the troll out on his crap and he made the troll back down. And I respect that. 0.99

00:09:30.860 Look, trolls are accustomed to being loud mouth jerks online and running their mouths to whoever they want. 0.95

00:09:41.360 Saying whatever they want without repercussion. Um, that's what trolls online are used to doing. 0.96

00:09:47.700 I mean, they're, they're, they are weak, spineless cowards. And on the rare occasion that a troll tries that garbage face to face with someone, 1.00

00:09:56.980 I am always happy to see them slap down for it rhetorically, maybe even physically. Uh, just because I, I just think you treat someone like that. 0.99

00:10:06.920 You, you deserve what comes man to man. You deserve it. Now, as I said, a lot of people on the right are acting scandalized by this,

00:10:16.020 but we all know, here's the thing. Let's again, man to man or man to woman, whoever's, whoever you are watching this right now.

00:10:25.320 If you're a conservative, all right, just, we don't need to lie to each other. We can be honest. All right. There's no, it's just me and you.

00:10:34.740 There's no one else here except for all the people watching, but let's be honest with you. We know if that was a Fox news host, um, then you would be defending it.

00:10:46.660 So if you're pretending to be outraged by it or offended, or is that, Oh, that was way overboard. I mean, uh, yes, to respond is okay, but to threaten violence. Well, that's just, that's just going too far.

00:10:58.340 You know, you wouldn't be saying that if this was Tucker Carlson. In fact, there was a video of Tucker Carlson responding in a similar way to someone who was, uh, heckling him.

00:11:07.540 And with that, I, I took Tucker Carlson's side. I said, yeah, well, he deserved, yeah, he could, you're, you're coming at a man when he's out with his family. This isn't the internet anymore. You punk. I mean, if, if you come to someone like that, you're, this is, this is how you might get treated. Don't go crying about it. Be a man. And then don't put the video online and say, look at what this mean man said to me to stop that man up.

00:11:35.620 So with, with Tucker Carlson, I said, I'm fully on board with Tucker Carlson. From what I remember, he, I forget all the details of that, but he, he was using foul language and good for him. You know, good for him.

00:11:50.860 Um, but again, as a conservative, if you're pretending to be offended by this or whatever, with Tucker Carlson, you defended that. I know you did. Um, and if this was Sean Hannity or, I mean, if this was, if this was, uh, Donald Trump,

00:12:04.580 who was caught on video, it take that exact video, everything the same. I mean, the Fredo comment would

00:12:11.840 make less sense because Trump's not Italian, but take that video. Everything's the same, but it's,

00:12:17.400 but it's Trump caught on camera responding to a heckler that way. Or in fact, forget about that.

00:12:23.000 If he was on, if he was on stage in front of millions responding to a heckler like that,

00:12:27.980 you would be applauding it. And you know, you would, you and I both know that.

00:12:34.580 Okay. You don't need to lie to me or lie to yourself. So this is a double standard. And this

00:12:40.120 is what I just can't, when we all, you know, when there's a double standard and people are doing this

00:12:47.100 performative fake outrage thing, you know, we all know that it's fake. So I, the, the performative,

00:12:55.340 uh, the performatively outraged mob, how do they, when they're, when they're all looking at each other,

00:13:00.840 like, they all know that they're faking it, that they don't really care. And that if this was

00:13:04.540 someone else, they'd be defending it. So let's just, let's just cut, let's just, let's just cut

00:13:11.680 the crap. It's so boring. It's so, I'm so bored by it. I am so, that's the main thing. I is not even, 0.99

00:13:20.760 my, my main problem is not even an ethical problem. Although there's that because it's dishonest,

00:13:25.600 but my main thing is I'm just so bored. I mean, everything that happens, I know exactly what

00:13:31.420 everyone's going to say, depending, okay, what's the politics? Whose side is this guy on? Okay.

00:13:36.140 Let's pretend. Oh, geez. Just stop already. This was a man. This is, this is how two men,

00:13:42.820 oh, well, he threatened violence. That's how, that's how guys talk to each other. I got news for you.

00:13:47.960 When two guys, when they think that, you know, when they, especially when they don't know that

00:13:51.240 they're being filmed secretly, um, this is how two guys talk to each other when they're pissed off.

00:13:58.200 It's not a big deal. You know, this is, if you go harassing a guy, especially if he's out with his

00:14:03.220 family, uh, you might say that, yeah, I'm going to throw you down the steps. He's not really going

00:14:06.560 to do it. It's just how guys talk. Why are we pretending? We don't know that. Why are there men

00:14:13.920 online pretending? Well, I never, I would never talk to a person like that. This is so inappropriate.

00:14:22.380 Shut up. Um, that's, that's really, I, I'm at the point now where I don't even know how I can do this 0.99

00:14:31.040 job anymore because my main reaction to like 90% of the controversies on either side. Now my main

00:14:36.480 reaction is just shut up already. You, you, please just stop. We all know. Um, but then of 1.00

00:14:46.180 course, but what I've been told is that, uh, I've been informed, uh, this morning as I, you know, I

00:14:52.820 was, I was trying to make this point on social media and, uh, I've been informed as I always am 0.65

00:14:57.660 that if you don't join in the fake performative outrage with conservatives, then you're a traitor

00:15:02.540 to the cause. This is why we lose. I was told, I don't even know who we is anymore. What do you

00:15:09.560 mean? We, and what are we trying to win? I don't even know anymore. All right. Um, let's go from a

00:15:18.840 video. I will defend, which you just saw to a video. I most definitely will not defend here. I hope we can

00:15:25.840 all have agreement. Um, at least on the right, we can agree on this, that what you're about to see here

00:15:31.720 is despicably disgusting, disgustingly despicable. However you want to put it. Uh, we've discussed 0.81

00:15:38.500 plenty of times, these crazy, gross, demented drag queen story hours, uh, which are now officially 0.95

00:15:45.180 a thing. Um, they're a thing all across the dying Western world, men in dresses come to read stories 0.99

00:15:51.900 to children, but sometimes they do more than read stories. I mean, reading the stories bad enough

00:15:56.100 because they're dressed up like, uh, like some cartoon, some, some macabre cartoon of a woman. 1.00

00:16:03.020 Um, uh, but here, here's a, here's a, a drag queen story hour that went, uh, much further than

00:16:10.500 that. Devon library in the UK had one of these events recently and a drag queen, a dude who goes 0.61

00:16:15.880 by the name mama G. Um, which is by the way, totally normal, right? I mean, for, for a guy to dress up

00:16:22.520 like a woman, call himself mama G totally normal. Now we can't criticize that. Uh, God forbid we 0.61

00:16:28.380 suggest that there must be something, you know, mentally, uh, out of sorts with a part with a man

00:16:33.680 who, who spends his time. No, no, no, no, no. We could never, we could never suggest such a thing.

00:16:36.960 It's totally normal completely. And, and to want to, as a man, uh, to want to dress up as a woman, 0.56

00:16:42.300 to read stories to children, you know, to say, Oh, I want to dress up like a woman so that I can be

00:16:46.260 around kids. Totally normal. No, nothing we could possibly say to criticize that.

00:16:53.660 So here's mama G. Uh, he decided to take things in an even creepier direction than usual. I

00:16:59.360 warn you that what you're about to witness is extremely disturbing.

00:17:02.420 Would you like to do some of those funny little dances from Fortnite? Does anybody know any of the

00:17:06.840 dances from Fortnite? Oh, then you are a credit to your community. But most of all, Michael likes to

00:17:15.300 twerk. Now, does anybody in this room know how to twerk? All right, well, it's quite

00:17:21.460 important to the story, so I will just give you a very quick demonstration. All you need to do is

00:17:25.780 you just stand with your feet sort of shoulder-width apart, like so, okay? And I'll show, I'll show you

00:17:30.260 at the side, so you can get a better view that way. And you, you're crouched down into this sort of

00:17:34.180 position here, so your bum's sticking out. I hope you're taking this all in. And then you just move your

00:17:38.980 bum up and down like that, and that's twerking.

00:17:44.500 Yeah, so there you go. Uh, that is, yes, that, that, that is exactly what it looks like. Um, that is a man

00:17:53.220 in a dress at a library teaching young children how to twerk.

00:18:00.500 I don't have to explain, probably, so I won't go into much detail explaining that twerking is a,

00:18:10.740 is meant to be a, a sexually suggestive, a very sexually suggestive dance move. That's what it is.

00:18:19.280 Um, and so this guy is, is, is giving a demonstration to children and to make it so much 0.84

00:18:29.060 worse, you know, if, if this was just some crazy psycho lunatic who ran into a room where there are

00:18:40.800 a bunch of kids and started twerking, I would be much less angry about it because then I could say,

00:18:47.300 okay, well, this is just, this is an isolated incident. This is, this is a psycho. Let's get 0.98

00:18:51.500 them off the streets, lock them in a, in a loony bin, um, get them away from kids. And so then I

00:18:58.160 could say that it's a, it's a, it's an isolated thing. It's one guy. It's one. I know crazy people

00:19:02.100 are out there, but this is guys crazy. We got them off the streets now. Okay. What makes this so 0.62

00:19:08.620 infuriating on such a deep level and so disgusting is not even the behavior of this guy who clearly 0.73

00:19:17.100 is, is, is mentally disturbed, but it's the parents who are sitting there chuckling and laughing 0.95

00:19:25.560 while a grown man teaches their, you know, six and seven year old kids how to twerk.

00:19:32.900 What kind of a man, imagine the, the fathers that are in that room just sitting there laughing.

00:19:41.400 Isn't that adorable? That grown man's teaching my four-year-old daughter how to twerk. This is so

00:19:48.380 charming. Imagine, I, I, I, I can't imagine it. Well, it's, it's, it's, it's what's happening.

00:19:58.480 So I don't need to imagine it, but I can't wrap my head around that mentality as a father.

00:20:03.380 You know, I'm just waiting to see one of these drag queen story hours or something like this is 1.00

00:20:12.000 happening and to have a, you know, a father come in and pull a Chris Cuomo. Not that I'm advocating

00:20:17.860 violence, but I'll put, I'll put it to you this way. If I walked into a room and there was a man in

00:20:26.560 address, um, sexually harassing, because that's what this is, sexually harassing my six-year-old 0.54

00:20:33.140 daughter, I, I wouldn't be chuckling along. I'll put it that way. Okay. I would respond in a way

00:20:39.780 that would not include applauding or expressing my approval. I would, I would express my disapproval

00:20:46.160 in a, in a, in a very unmistakable way. That's all I'm going to say. And, but you never see that

00:20:52.020 instead. You just see, you just see these, these hen pecked dads and, and moms sitting 0.94

00:20:59.400 around the sidelines watching this happen. If this, if we lived in a sane world, um, that

00:21:08.800 man who is again, sexually harassing, sexually abusing that to me, that's sexual abuse. You 0.98

00:21:16.520 know, I, I see that as sexual abuse, what you just witnessed there. And if we lived in a sane

00:21:22.880 country, even though this wasn't this, our country, but if we lived in a sane world, that

00:21:26.700 guy would be arrested and all of the parents will be arrested for at a minimum parental

00:21:32.360 neglect, if not active parental abuse. All right. Um, on a related note, the daily wire,

00:21:42.920 if I can pull it up, has a story that is, uh, on the website right now, but read a little

00:21:49.960 bit of, of this too. So it's that a T a teacher at a middle school in Northern California,

00:21:53.960 California triggered outrage from parents after he handed out a gender identity graphic, allegedly

00:21:59.520 to explain why he preferred to be called M X rather than Mr. On the first day of school.

00:22:05.320 So he wanted his, uh, you know, prefix to be rather than Mr. MX. How do you, how do you

00:22:11.520 say MX? So MR is Mr. MX is what? What is that? Mick, mixture? Mix? Is it mix? So stupid.

00:22:25.220 Uh, Luis Davila Alvarado, who teaches seventh and eighth grade science at Denair middle school, 1.00

00:22:33.160 used a gender unicorn graphic from trans student education resources to explain his choice of

00:22:39.200 preferred pronoun to a group of children between the ages of 12 and 14. Um, and then, uh, it goes

00:22:46.760 on from there. He gave out this, uh, gave out this, this graphic now much to the credit of the

00:22:56.180 principal. Um, the principal happened to come into the classroom while this was going on.

00:23:03.480 Um, and she took one look at the, at the gender unicorn graphic and she said, no, no, no, we're

00:23:10.300 not doing this. And she had, she had him take all the, all of the worksheets back. So, so good for

00:23:15.700 her on that. But parents were upset as rightly they should be. Let's take a look at this gender 1.00

00:23:21.240 unicorn. The gender unicorn is related to the gender bred person, which is a similarly creepy 0.96

00:23:26.640 worksheet that schools give out sometimes. Uh, so I'll put this up on the screen so you can see,

00:23:30.580 here's the gender unicorn. And as you can see, well, there's the gender unicorn right there

00:23:35.500 teaching us about, uh, all kinds of things about gender. And so, you know, you, you just, you know,

00:23:43.980 it's, it's not just that there's, there isn't just one, uh, spectrum. Okay. As you can see here,

00:23:51.140 there's like four different spectrums. There's the gender identity spectrum at the top there.

00:23:55.640 Um, there's the gender expression spectrum. And then there's the spectrum of who you're sexually

00:24:02.640 attracted to. And then also who you're emotionally attracted to. So according to this, and this is

00:24:08.220 science, this was handed out in a science class. Uh, you could be a man who identifies as a woman

00:24:16.360 yet has a masculine gender expression, um, who is sexually attracted to women, but emotionally

00:24:25.320 attracted to men who identify as women. Like that's a, that's a, that's a combination that's

00:24:30.240 possible here. Um, now, now we are, we're differentiating between sexually attracted to

00:24:37.400 and emotionally attracted to, but this science, this is what's, this is supposed to be science.

00:24:44.020 Now, listen, uh, years in the future, hundreds of years from now, thousands of years when, uh,

00:24:54.340 archaeologists of the future are digging up the remains of our pitiful civilization.

00:25:03.220 And they come across something like this, the gender unicorn. Now, of course this is on paper,

00:25:09.420 so they probably wouldn't find it, but, but, uh, if this was engraved on a stone tablet somewhere

00:25:13.400 and they came across this, they would look at that and anthropologists would study this

00:25:19.360 and they would come to the conclusion that, um, this is part of this, this is part of the,

00:25:25.360 the, the religious activity of some kind of religious cult.

00:25:30.300 They would look at the gender unicorn and all this stuff about spectrums and gender identity,

00:25:35.060 and they would assume that this was the, uh, you know, the worship activity of some kind of cult.

00:25:45.640 And of course they would be correct because that's what this is. I mean, this is superstition.

00:25:50.160 This is religion. And I don't mean to use religion as a pejorative, but that's what this is. And,

00:25:57.400 you know, there are crazy religions out there. Not all religions are crazy in my view, but some are, 0.99

00:26:01.960 and this is a crazy religion. It's got nothing to do with science at all. Obviously there is no, 0.97

00:26:08.840 none of this has any relationship at all with biology or anything scientific or even psychology.

00:26:15.640 Uh, it's, this is, this is superstition all the way through.

00:26:22.040 And it's being taught, um, at least in some schools.

00:26:25.580 All right, let's go to emails, mattwalshowatgmail.com, mattwalshowatgmail.com.

00:26:32.720 This is from McKenzie says, my husband and I have been thinking about the whole Epstein situation,

00:26:37.780 and we have a theory, not sure if it's a conspiracy theory or not, but we think that Epstein is

00:26:42.200 not really dead, but that he's in protective custody. There are a lot of people who would

00:26:46.840 want him dead. And it just seems too convenient that he had the chance to kill himself. I personally 0.99

00:26:50.500 haven't heard anything about seeing a body thoughts. Uh, yeah, McKenzie, I've, I've seen this,

00:26:55.840 I guess as we talked about yesterday, the sort of normal conspiracy theories with, with the Epstein 0.54

00:27:02.120 case are totally reasonable and justified. Um, so to, to wonder if maybe someone got to him and

00:27:11.820 staged it to look like a suicide. I don't think that's crazy at all. I think that that's certainly

00:27:15.800 a possibility, but because the normal conspiracy theories are normal, then I guess people, we,

00:27:21.560 we, we need to come up with, you know, even crazier conspiracy theories. And that's where

00:27:24.980 this comes from. And no offense, I don't mean it as an insult, but this is the idea that he's still

00:27:30.560 alive. And he was, he was, you know, they, they shuffled him off somewhere to hide him. I've heard

00:27:35.600 two versions of this theory, which is it's a theory. There's no evidence for this theory, McKenzie.

00:27:39.760 This is just something that, that, you know, you've, and others have sort of come up with in,

00:27:44.680 in your heads. Um, so the, the two versions of the theory that I've seen are, okay, maybe the

00:27:51.360 powerful, you know, people in the, in the, in Epstein sex cult, maybe they found a way to rescue

00:27:57.840 him and bring him to some Island somewhere. So there's that. And then the other version is maybe

00:28:02.440 it's the government did this so that they could put him in protective custody and hide them somewhere,

00:28:06.740 uh, while, while they get information from both of these things are, it, no, that, that didn't

00:28:13.660 happen. Um, again, there's no reason to think that there was a body, first of all. Um, in fact,

00:28:18.980 there's even, there's even, there are even pictures of his body out there. If you really want to go

00:28:21.780 see him, you can, although I don't recommend it. So there was a body. Uh, there's no re there's no 0.97

00:28:28.180 evidence for this at all. See, anytime something happens, you can come up with a theory. You can come up

00:28:35.120 with a million theories that fit the facts as we know them, but just because you've invented a

00:28:40.460 theory that fits, fits the facts, that doesn't mean that there's any, that there's any real

00:28:43.800 justification. It doesn't mean that it's a reasonable theory, that there's any reason to

00:28:46.880 actually think that. I mean, I could say that Epstein was abducted by aliens that fits the facts as we

00:28:54.380 know them, but that doesn't mean that's a reasonable theory or plausible. And this just isn't

00:29:01.780 plausible at all. Because first of all, uh, certainly the, the people in Epstein's sex cult,

00:29:07.520 which that is a real thing, uh, but they would have no interest in keeping Epstein alive. 0.93

00:29:13.260 They, if they could get to him, they would kill him. They wouldn't, they wouldn't bring him off 0.73

00:29:16.620 somewhere so he could live out the rest of his days. No, he's a, he's a liability. And so they

00:29:20.000 want him dead. The idea, the idea that the government would do this. Well, it's just, there's no reason 0.98

00:29:24.940 for them to do that. They could, they could have easily kept him safe in prison. All they had to do

00:29:30.140 was actually keep an eye on them, which they didn't do. So there's, there, there's no history

00:29:38.800 of our government faking someone's death so that they can then keep them safe somewhere and

00:29:43.100 protect them. We have ways of keeping people safe. You can do it. You just have to actually

00:29:46.620 put them in protective custody and then protect them. That's all you got to do. Not to mention,

00:29:51.580 I mean, I, uh, I imagine Epstein's lawyers and, and, and the lawyers of the other famous and rich

00:29:58.060 people out there would have a field day with this. If, if the government tries to use the

00:30:03.340 testimony of someone whose death they faked, there are all kinds of legal problems there.

00:30:09.540 I would imagine, uh, because that is not following proper legal protocols. And so I don't, what,

00:30:15.320 what, how, what good would the testimony be if it came from someone who you claimed is dead?

00:30:19.620 Uh, what are you going to say? Uh, we, we, we had a seance and we resurrected his ghost and then

00:30:25.180 that's how we got this information. So no, there's, there's no reason to, there's no reason to think

00:30:30.920 that at all. Um, from, uh, this is from KL says, Matt, you and the rest of the daily wire crew are

00:30:37.540 pathetic parroting the official line on Epstein. I'm disgusted and done with you and the rest of them. 0.78

00:30:43.280 If I wanted mainstream media talking points, I know where to get them. So KL is not the,

00:30:49.860 I actually got several emails like this from people who are mad at me saying that I was parroting the

00:30:54.700 talking for the official narrative or whatever yesterday. I don't even, I don't, I don't even

00:30:58.200 know where this is coming from. I said on the show yesterday repeatedly that the so-called conspiracy

00:31:04.240 theories in this case are perfectly plausible and justified. Now the idea that he was, that they

00:31:09.560 faked his death and that he's hiding out somewhere on an Island, uh, that I don't think is plausible,

00:31:13.900 but there are the idea that, that, that someone got to him and made it look like a suicide. Sure.

00:31:18.760 It's possible, perfectly possible. Now, as I said, if Occam's razor, um, or the, the mundane principle,

00:31:29.140 which I just made up yesterday, but I think it's true that usually the most boring and mundane

00:31:33.380 explanation is correct most of the time. So according to that principle, probably he,

00:31:39.300 he did kill himself, but you know, I don't know. And my whole point of the show, I spent 15 minutes

00:31:44.780 yesterday talking about repeating myself as I tend to do that. There is, there is nothing at all

00:31:49.480 crazy or unreasonable about the so-called conspiracy theories. So how that amounts to me parroting the

00:31:55.740 official narrative. I have no idea if, unless what you mean by that is, um, that I guess my fault

00:32:06.420 is, I can't just say that the conspiracy theories are plausible. I have to pretend that I know that

00:32:15.580 the conspiracy theories are true. So I didn't have certainty. Forgive me for that. How dare I?

00:32:23.960 This is from Trevor says, hi, Matt. I've been watching for a while. I love your show. I'm 19

00:32:27.820 years old. I've been a Christian for about eight months now. Congratulations, Trevor. Um, I'm a part

00:32:33.900 of a wonderful church at the college I attend. They are very traditional and conservative in their

00:32:37.140 conduct, meaning that they discourage watching movies and listening to music that may be too

00:32:41.000 explicit. Plus I have a pretty dark sense of humor. So I'm afraid to joke now about how I've

00:32:46.660 normally, I'm afraid to joke how I've normally done. I understand it's inappropriate in a

00:32:51.020 church setting, but I'm not real sure about just in my life outside of church. I couldn't help but

00:32:56.000 think about this when you mentioned Pulp Fiction in your episode on Monday. When I was an atheist,

00:32:59.700 I always loved watching Tarantino films or just watching any movie that told a good story despite

00:33:04.300 any violence or profanity. I also really like a lot of standup comedy. I still do. Lastly,

00:33:09.360 there's a lot of good music out there that is not Christian music. I guess I'm just wondering

00:33:12.360 if it's acceptable to still watch extreme movies, listen to standup comedy, even if it's pretty

00:33:16.560 profane, and then listening to good music that may be a little vulgar at times. It's not like this

00:33:20.600 makes or breaks my faith. If I have to give it up, then so be it. I understand that the rationale of

00:33:25.200 it, but I just feel like a lot of the good parts of life I'll be missing out on. I'd love to get your

00:33:29.760 thoughts on this. You're the best show on The Daily Wire. Keep up the great work. There we go. Trevor.

00:33:36.220 Yeah. Well, I think, first of all, for you to be doing an inventory of the way you spend your time

00:33:45.600 recreationally and the music you listen to, the movies you watch, to do that inventory is a good

00:33:50.280 thing. You should be commended for that. We should all be doing that inventory. Yes, there are, I think,

00:33:58.380 movies and shows out there that are morally objectionable, and there's nothing really good

00:34:05.300 that can come from watching them. And I don't say that. I've seen plenty of that kind of stuff

00:34:12.140 myself. In fact, I was just talking about that on the show yesterday, which is what you're referring

00:34:15.080 to. But we should still challenge ourselves. I think, and then same with music. I mean, there's a

00:34:23.460 lot of music out there, obviously, that is just pure trash and garbage. And all it does is just 0.99

00:34:29.340 drag you down into the gutter mentally, emotionally, spiritually. And so, again, nothing really good

00:34:34.880 can come from it. Even if you kind of like the sound of it, whatever the music is, it's still

00:34:39.120 garbage. And so, when it comes to that, and you have to just use your own judgment, a judgment that 0.96

00:34:46.000 you hone over time, as we all do, as we grow and mature. So, I think you have to, it's good to do

00:34:51.460 that. And if you, in your judgment, if you know in your heart of hearts that what you're

00:34:55.580 watching is pure trash, pure junk, then yeah, you shouldn't watch it. It doesn't mean you're 0.93

00:35:01.540 going to go to hell if you do, or that you're automatically a bad Christian, or something

00:35:05.460 like that. It's just, it's not helping. It's not edifying. It's not helping you in your own 0.59

00:35:10.220 walk. And so, there's no, really, there's just no reason to do it, other than you're just

00:35:16.780 looking for something to watch, which probably isn't a good enough reason. So, there's that part

00:35:23.400 of it. And that's, so that's the judgment call that you have to make. On the other side of it,

00:35:28.980 though, I definitely don't think, Trevor, that just because you're a Christian now, you can't watch

00:35:39.100 any secular shows or movies. You can't listen to secular music. Like, I don't think that now that

00:35:44.640 you're a Christian, all the music you listen to has to be corny Christian music. Not that all 1.00

00:35:48.380 Christian music is corny, but a lot of it is. And that every show you watch has to be, you know, 1.00

00:35:52.120 every movie you watch has to be God's Not Dead, or something like that. Heaven is for real. No,

00:35:56.680 you don't have to limit yourself to that. There's, in the so-called secular world, there's a lot of,

00:36:05.180 despite what you may hear, there's a lot of good music. There's a lot of good art.

00:36:10.040 But you have to be discerning. And I think, I guess, especially just focusing on, on, on movies

00:36:19.660 for a minute, just as, for example, I think it's perfectly okay for, for, for a movie to deal with

00:36:29.520 difficult things, to deal with, you know, violence, to have elements to the story that are sad,

00:36:37.560 disturbing, whatever, scary, you know, suspenseful. That's, that's fine. But I think what we have to

00:36:48.380 ask ourselves is, what's the point? Is there a point to this? Now, if it's a movie that it appears,

00:36:55.780 the only, the only, the only point of the movie is just to drag you down and just to depress you

00:37:01.500 for the sake of depressing you. And the only point the movie is trying to make is that there is no point

00:37:06.140 in life and everything is terrible. It's just, it's, it's nihilistic filth. Well, then that's

00:37:10.240 probably a movie you don't need to watch. But we were talking about The Godfather. So using The

00:37:15.020 Godfather as an example, I mean, The Godfather is not what we would call a Christian film.

00:37:21.380 And it's probably the kind of movie that some Christians would say, oh, that's total,

00:37:24.980 that's terribly inappropriate for a, you shouldn't watch that. Fine. Just watch the latest Kevin

00:37:30.020 Sorbo movie instead. No, um, nothing against Kevin Sorbo. I think, I think The Godfather,

00:37:36.380 yeah, it's, there's violence in that movie. There's vulgarity, there's evil, a lot of bad stuff.

00:37:41.980 It's not for kids. Okay. It's definitely for adults, but it's kind of a Shakespearean tragedy.

00:37:50.220 And, uh, what I think what the movie shows you, if you watch at least the first two,

00:37:55.240 um, it shows you this, it takes you a, it gives you a first a man, you know, a basically virtuous,

00:38:01.680 good, decent man. Who's Michael Corleone, a war hero in the beginning of the first movie.

00:38:07.360 And it shows step by step as he is dragged down into evil. Uh, and he sort of collapses in on

00:38:15.380 himself in this, in his lust for power and money and prestige. And in the meantime, he loses everything

00:38:23.580 else that's important and that's real and that's good in life. And that's why I think the last scene

00:38:28.540 in, uh, in Godfather two is so powerful because he's at the point, you know, uh, for the first two

00:38:35.980 movies, he always told himself that he was doing everything for the family, for the sake of his

00:38:41.040 family. That's what this was all, all really about. Even though he knew in the back of his mind,

00:38:44.500 this isn't really for the family, it's for him. But then at that, at the end of the second movie,

00:38:49.100 he kills his own brother. So now the, the idea that he's doing it for the family is gone.

00:38:57.260 And so he's just kind of standing there staring out the window and it's in this nice, beautiful

00:39:01.840 house, but having lost everything is his, his wife hates him. Uh, he's lost his kids. He's killed

00:39:06.640 his brother. Everyone, every, all his friends are all dead now and he's got nothing. He's got this 0.80

00:39:10.640 beautiful house. He's got power. He's got nothing else. And it was all for nothing. And then in the very

00:39:15.440 last scene, it flashes back to this scene, you know, from years before where he's sitting around

00:39:19.780 the dinner table with his family. And, uh, and you kind of see like, that's, that was real. That

00:39:24.460 was good. And he lost that. So anyway, um, so that's a, that's a good positive message actually

00:39:30.860 in a movie like the Godfather, which you can find in those kinds of movies. But, um, I think you just

00:39:35.940 have to be discerning. So, so just a long way of putting that. All right, let's, uh, let's see.

00:39:42.300 We have one more. This is from Carl says, hi, Matt. One of my favorite things you do is poke.

00:39:47.220 Oh, this is going to be a long one. Maybe I should say this one. One of my favorite things

00:39:50.640 you do is poke holes in Christian apologetic arguments. I actually really appreciate this

00:39:54.160 coming from a Christian like yourself. You helped me strengthen my arguments by pointing out where 0.99

00:39:58.560 the weaknesses are. It sometimes seems to me that Christian apologists these days will throw any

00:40:02.760 argument against the wall. I think a much better strategy is to hone a few strong arguments and

00:40:06.840 really make them airtight. But in order to do that, we must first find its weak points. I think you're

00:40:11.680 good at that. So with all that said, I believe the fine tuning argument is not the best argument for

00:40:16.320 God, uh, is if not the best argument for God, at least a very good one. Now, can you put on your

00:40:21.160 naysayer hat and tell me where the problems are with that argument? Also, what do you consider to

00:40:25.560 be the, the strongest arguments for God? It actually says the strangest arguments, but I assume that was

00:40:31.240 a typo and you meant to say strongest, the strangest arguments for God. Um, okay. This is,

00:40:36.340 can I do the, can I do, can I answer this quickly? I can't answer anything quickly. Um, the fine,

00:40:41.380 I'll try to do it briefly. The fine tuning arguments, the fine tuning argument says that,

00:40:44.780 um, that there, there are certain, you know, when you look at physics, there are certain universal

00:40:50.120 constants. Uh, the universe has been tuned, has been, uh, kind of programmed a certain way to make

00:40:57.820 life possible. And that if you look at any of the, if you look at the tuning, the certain, the universal

00:41:01.780 constants, if any of those were off by just the slightest minuscule degree, uh, it would make life

00:41:08.360 in the universe impossible. And so the fine tuning argument says like, well, who, who tuned it that

00:41:12.220 way? The, the probability that it would just tune itself that way on its own accidentally is so,

00:41:19.140 uh, minuscule that you could basically say it's impossible and therefore you need God. And I think

00:41:25.220 that's a strong argument. In fact, Christopher Hitchens, who was no friend to Theus said that he thinks

00:41:30.800 that's the strongest argument for theism. And that coming from an atheist of his caliber, I think is

00:41:34.680 a pretty, is a pretty strong Testament in its favor. So, um, I think it's a good argument.

00:41:40.000 My only criticism of it is I think maybe it needs a different label than fine tuning.

00:41:49.000 The problem is to me, it seems like the fine tuning argument is just a variation of the argument

00:41:54.660 from causation. You know, there's the first cause argument going back to Thomas Aquinas and

00:42:00.560 before Thomas Aquinas saying really on a very basic level, like this all had to start from

00:42:05.080 somehow, uh, this all began somehow. Um, how did it begin? Yeah. At a certain point,

00:42:13.760 you need a first cause, you need an uncaused cause. And that uncaused cause would be God

00:42:18.460 by definition. A cause that can cause other things, but does not itself need to be caused

00:42:25.700 is, is God. That's what God is. God is other things as well, but he's also that. So it seems

00:42:31.160 to me that the fine tuning argument is, is basically a, an extrapolation of that argument

00:42:35.800 saying that, you know, this, this tuning of the universe, it couldn't have done it on its own.

00:42:42.380 Something or someone had to do it. So I think we need to frame it that way. The problem is when we say

00:42:48.600 fine tuning, it makes it sound like what we're arguing is that, you know, the entire universe

00:42:56.560 is so remarkably hospitable to life that we know that God must exist when that's not really the

00:43:04.680 argument. And the problem is when it sounds, if it sounds like you're making that argument,

00:43:08.040 then the atheist can say, well, hold on a second, you know, 99.99999999, whatever percent of the

00:43:15.480 universe is lethal to life. The vast majority of the universe, pretty much, you know, essentially

00:43:22.080 the entire universe consists of radiation filled vacuum that is lethal to life. Nothing can live in

00:43:28.220 it. And if you were to, you know, condense the entire universe to scale down about the size of a

00:43:34.520 house, um, the entire house will be filled with a radiation filled vacuum and you'd have one little

00:43:40.120 atom, one little proton that would be earth. And obviously if you worked, walked in, if you were to

00:43:45.240 walk into a house where the entire thing, except for one little atom is, uh, is, uh, is lethal,

00:43:50.500 you would not say, oh, this house was, was built especially for life. No, you would say the opposite.

00:43:55.080 You would say this house is, was built to kill me. Um, so that's the problem is that, is that

00:44:00.800 the, the universe is a very, very, very, very, very big place. And as far as we know, all of it

00:44:07.580 is lethal to life, uh, except for the little speck of dust that we're on. So now that, that fact

00:44:16.260 doesn't really debunk the fine tuning argument because that's not what the fine tuning argument

00:44:22.740 is. But when you say fine tuning, it kind of sounds like that's what you're saying.

00:44:27.900 So maybe that's my point. And maybe we just need, that's my only qualm with the fine tuning

00:44:33.240 argument is that I think we need a different name for it to make it clear that we're not claiming

00:44:37.660 that the universe is completely hospitable to life everywhere you go. Cause that's obviously not

00:44:42.500 the case. Even earth is mostly inhospitable to life. You know, the most of the earth is water.

00:44:48.800 You can't live on it. Even on land. Uh, a lot of the earth is Arctic wastelands and deserts where

00:44:54.840 either you can't live or it's very difficult to live. So again, uh, we're not really saying that.

00:44:58.880 We're just saying that those constants at the beginning of the universe, the way the,

00:45:01.580 the way the universe was set up, it was set up in such a way that it was possible for something

00:45:06.200 like earth to exist, even if it is one speck of dust in a, in a giant vacuum. All right. Um,

00:45:12.120 we will leave it there. Thanks everybody for watching. Godspeed.

00:45:24.840 Hey everyone. It's Andrew Klavan, host of the Andrew Klavan show. You know, there are plenty

00:45:31.400 of problems facing our country today, but there's one problem making all the other problems worse.

00:45:36.220 It's a news media that has lost its way in a vendetta against Trump. It is rapidly becoming

00:45:41.540 a vendetta against half the country. We'll talk about it on the Andrew Klavan show. I'm Andrew Klavan.

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The Matt Walsh Show - August 13, 2019

Ep. 316 - Fredo Is Furious

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