The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 319 - The Dumbest Boycott Yet

00:00:00.000 Maybe you saw this report yesterday that President Trump has apparently repeatedly inquired about the possibility of buying Greenland, you know, that big that big hunk of ice up north.

00:00:11.460 And now I think personally, this is exactly the kind of weird, but actually pretty good idea that I hoped Trump would have a lot more often.

00:00:21.000 I was hoping for Trump to, in my best case scenario, Trump would, in his presidency, have a whole bunch of ideas that make you go, well, maybe.

00:00:30.620 Like that kind of reaction is what I was hoping we would get.

00:00:33.120 And there hasn't been enough of that, in my opinion.

00:00:35.420 There's been, you know, this, Space Force was one of those the first time you heard it.

00:00:39.480 You're like, really? Well, actually, pretty good.

00:00:42.100 So we want, I mean, if you're going to hire someone like, if you're going to elect someone like Trump to be president, then I think buying Greenland is exactly the sort of thing, the sort of idea that we would hope he would bring to the table.

00:00:57.640 And it could be great.

00:00:58.840 I mean, Greenland has natural resources.

00:01:01.440 They've got like polar bears, I think, or penguins, one of the two.

00:01:06.960 At least they have moose.

00:01:08.020 I don't know.

00:01:08.400 Actually, I don't know what Greenland has.

00:01:09.760 I honestly have no idea.

00:01:10.820 But just like everybody else, I have no clue.

00:01:14.280 But it would at least be fun to brag about at the U.N. meetings.

00:01:17.960 We could at least, we could, you know, we could say to the other U.N. ambassadors, you know, oh, hey, we just finished that Greenland deal.

00:01:24.060 No big deal.

00:01:24.600 We just, you know, we just doubled the size of our overall landmass.

00:01:27.140 No big deal.

00:01:28.060 Whatever.

00:01:28.720 What are you up to?

00:01:29.520 What are you doing?

00:01:30.960 So we could at least do that.

00:01:32.220 But then comes outrageous news.

00:01:34.520 Just as we're all beginning to really like the idea of owning Greenland,

00:01:38.460 and enslaving its inhabitants. 0.90

00:01:43.400 I mean, that was really, that was sort of my add-on.

00:01:45.480 I thought maybe we could do that as well.

00:01:46.760 But we don't have to do that.

00:01:47.780 Just an idea.

00:01:48.520 Just an idea.

00:01:50.680 Then the Greenland government, which consists of, you know, three guys in an igloo,

00:01:54.360 they emerged from their igloo and they issued a statement.

00:01:56.680 They said, Greenland is not for sale.

00:01:59.980 That's what they said.

00:02:00.620 Well, okay, then.

00:02:03.840 I guess we're going to have to do this the hard way.

00:02:06.080 You know, we don't have John Bolton in the White House for no reason, if you get my drift.

00:02:11.440 Okay, you could do it the easy way or you could do it the hard way.

00:02:14.080 And it looks like Greenland wants to do it the hard way.

00:02:17.400 I think it may be time, if you know what I mean here,

00:02:20.020 it may be time to spread some democracy and freedom in Greenland.

00:02:26.060 Hint, hint, wink, wink.

00:02:28.040 Honestly, you could send one SEAL team in, not actual, well, maybe actual SEALs,

00:02:32.100 but, or Navy SEALs.

00:02:33.240 You could send one team in and they could conquer the whole country by dinner time.

00:02:38.100 Maybe there'd be two casualties.

00:02:39.360 One guy slips on the ice, another guy gets trampled by a caribou.

00:02:42.420 But other than that, I think it'd be fine.

00:02:44.940 Greenland just has to decide how it wants to play this.

00:02:47.180 The ball's in your court, Greenland. 0.80

00:02:48.520 And your court, which is about to be our court, one way or another.

00:02:53.660 All right, so we'll keep an eye on that.

00:02:56.240 But it's exciting stuff, exciting stuff.

00:02:58.340 So I want to discuss, and look, I know I say this all the time,

00:03:03.380 but I want to begin today by talking about what is potentially the most embarrassing

00:03:12.160 and possibly the stupidest boycott ever.

00:03:16.940 Ever.

00:03:17.380 And it happened yesterday.

00:03:18.840 And I know that's saying a lot, but I really think, I don't think I'm exaggerating this

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00:03:26.040 No hyperbole.

00:03:27.100 We'll talk about that in just a moment.

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00:05:01.560 So yesterday, the hashtags Boycott CVS and CVS Denies Care were both trending on social media.

00:05:11.680 And if you went and checked those hashtags, you would have found lots of people panicking

00:05:17.820 that CVS was denying them birth control.

00:05:21.240 CVS was attacking women's access to birth control.

00:05:24.500 CVS was attacking women's health.

00:05:25.980 CVS was blocking access to birth control.

00:05:28.860 CVS was preventing women from getting birth control.

00:05:32.400 CVS is anti-women.

00:05:33.860 CVS is killing women.

00:05:35.160 CVS is evil.

00:05:36.340 This is all the stuff you would have seen on Twitter.

00:05:38.500 And the ACLU obviously jumped in on the action because there is no outrage too petty for the

00:05:43.800 ACLU.

00:05:44.420 If there's a petty outrage anywhere, they're going to be there on the scene.

00:05:48.460 NARAL, the extremist pro-abortion group, they were on the dogpile as well.

00:05:54.340 Well, why?

00:05:55.000 What did CVS do wrong?

00:05:57.640 Now, you might assume when you see this, you would think, oh, they must have, what, did

00:06:01.280 they hike their prices on birth control a little bit or something like that?

00:06:05.200 No, it's even dumber than that, OK?

00:06:08.920 I told you this is the dumbest boycott of all time.

00:06:11.360 That's not an exaggeration.

00:06:12.620 Get ready for this.

00:06:14.300 The boycott began with a startup company called Pill Club, which is a pill delivery service.

00:06:20.500 And if I could, a side note for a moment to remark on the fact that it's creepy yet appropriate

00:06:25.680 that something called Pill Club exists in modern America.

00:06:30.040 But in any case, Pill Club, as I said, it's a startup company.

00:06:33.080 They deliver pills.

00:06:34.160 Well, Pill Club is in a dispute with CVS because their contract with CVS came up and CVS wants

00:06:41.760 to renew that contract with lower reimbursement rates, meaning Pill Club would get less money

00:06:47.800 from CVS for delivering CVS's pills to customers.

00:06:56.440 And that's it.

00:06:58.020 That's the whole thing.

00:06:59.460 That was the reason for a nationwide boycott.

00:07:03.420 One pill delivery company will be getting slightly less money for delivering pills.

00:07:08.500 And this somehow translates to women being prevented from using birth control. 0.93

00:07:13.780 I mean, it's just, I don't think I've ever seen a boycott that is this wholly unjustified

00:07:20.520 and pointless.

00:07:21.660 There have been a lot of unjustified and pointless ones, but I've never seen it this bad before.

00:07:25.280 So let's follow this logic all the way through.

00:07:29.660 If CVS is charging Pill Club more, or rather they are paying Pill Club less, then that means

00:07:37.420 Pill Club will either have to charge its customers a few bucks more or stop delivering

00:07:43.680 CVS pills entirely, worst case scenario.

00:07:47.040 Which means that if you're a woman who has Pill Club delivering you birth control pills, you're 1.00

00:07:52.760 either going to have to pay a little bit more or find a different delivery company or, God

00:07:59.960 forbid, leave your house and go to the store yourself to pick up the pills.

00:08:06.300 And somehow this minor amount of energy being asked to put in this tiny little bit of effort

00:08:15.440 to leave your house, you leave your house all the time for things.

00:08:19.000 So now all you got to do on your way home from all the other things you're doing, stop

00:08:22.820 by CVS to pick up your birth control pills.

00:08:25.760 That now is an attack on your very health and well-being.

00:08:28.840 Guys, this birth control thing is just so absurd at this point.

00:08:37.540 We've now reached a point where a woman is being attacked and being prevented from using

00:08:42.980 birth control if the birth control is not transported directly to her door for cheap. 1.00

00:08:48.060 If she has to put in, you know, uh, if she has to pay a little bit more or, or leave her 1.00

00:08:54.460 house, then she's being persecuted. 1.00

00:08:56.780 Meanwhile, all the women who complain that they can't, here's the thing. 0.98

00:09:06.040 If you are a woman in modern America and you're claiming that you absolutely cannot afford birth

00:09:17.200 birth control, I don't believe you.

00:09:20.240 I just, I'm sorry.

00:09:21.120 I just don't believe you.

00:09:21.940 I think you can afford it.

00:09:23.060 I really do.

00:09:24.240 I think you can.

00:09:26.160 Um, I certainly think you can leave your house to get it if you really need it or make other

00:09:29.880 arrangements.

00:09:31.640 But I, I think even aside from that, you, you, is this idea that, ah, it needs to be free

00:09:36.020 or it's too much, but let's just stop it.

00:09:38.400 Just stop.

00:09:39.480 We live in the, we live in, in, in a country that runs on consumerism.

00:09:44.720 All of us, we're constantly buying things we don't need.

00:09:48.360 We got, I mean, any, it doesn't, it really doesn't matter what we, even if we're not talking

00:09:51.960 about birth control, whatever it is you're claiming you can't afford 99% chance you can

00:09:57.700 definitely actually afford it.

00:09:59.120 It's just that you, you've, you, your priorities, you've prioritized other things.

00:10:03.080 Now, if we're talking about a Lamborghini or a, you know, a six bedroom mansion, then yeah,

00:10:08.340 most of us can't afford that stuff.

00:10:10.440 But if we're talking about just sort of every, everyday average items saying you can't afford

00:10:16.180 it, eh, you probably can.

00:10:18.860 The women who complain that they can't afford birth control and, and who, who claim that

00:10:22.780 it's a basic health necessity on top of it, how many of them have Netflix subscriptions?

00:10:27.600 How many of them have Spotify subscriptions?

00:10:30.340 Um, how many of them have unlimited data plans?

00:10:32.900 How many of them buy essentially a whole new wardrobe every year? 0.98

00:10:38.320 I'd like to see that Venn diagram because I'm betting that Venn diagram is basically just

00:10:42.220 a circle with, with, because all of that is jumbled together.

00:10:46.100 Of course, the whole idea, um, as I said, the whole idea that anyone can't afford birth control

00:10:51.840 is, is ludicrous.

00:10:53.540 Anyone can afford it.

00:10:54.760 Because by the way, when we talk about birth control, um, that that's, that is a category

00:11:01.860 that includes not just pills, that also includes, you know, uh, things that you can buy at the

00:11:07.600 gas station.

00:11:08.840 Right.

00:11:10.300 So again, the idea that, that there are people who simply cannot afford anything like that.

00:11:15.200 And so we have to get the prices down or give it out for free.

00:11:20.120 Otherwise we're gonna have all these unwanted pregnancies, so-called unwanted pregnancies 1.00

00:11:23.060 and so on.

00:11:23.720 It's just ridiculous.

00:11:26.420 Um, you know, I think that probably the majority of people can afford it just fine on their current

00:11:34.700 income.

00:11:35.120 And it's not a problem.

00:11:36.760 People who are a little bit more strapped for cash, you know, maybe you cut out a few

00:11:39.840 discretionary expenses if it's important to you.

00:11:41.800 A lot of this just comes down to priority, but we all have expenses that we could cut

00:11:50.920 out if we needed to, but this is even, I, I guess now we're at a point where you need

00:12:01.720 the birth control for free.

00:12:03.220 It needs to be brought to your house.

00:12:04.880 It needs to be brought in your door, walked up the steps, placed into your palm with a glass

00:12:10.480 of, of water, anything aside from that.

00:12:13.400 And you're being murdered essentially by, by, uh, by the patriarchy.

00:12:17.000 I mean, come on, it's just, uh, completely ridiculous.

00:12:22.480 All right.

00:12:23.080 By the way, I love this tweet from David Hogg.

00:12:25.120 Um, moving on.

00:12:27.160 David Hogg says it's harder to get cold pills than an AR-15.

00:12:31.060 Something needs to change.

00:12:32.540 It's harder to get cold pills like Sudafed or something than an AR-15.

00:12:39.700 Something needs to change.

00:12:41.520 Now, I don't know where David Hogg lives, but apparently in, in his neck of the woods,

00:12:46.160 in his part of the country, you can go to the grocery store and buy an AR-15 for six bucks.

00:12:51.700 Um, and you only have to show the cashier your driver's license and you're in and out in three minutes.

00:12:59.480 I, I want to know what grocery store is this?

00:13:02.480 What, what, what grocery store sells AR-15s for six dollars?

00:13:06.440 And I, no background check.

00:13:08.100 All I got to do is just, you know, I go to the, the 16 year old cashier says, can I see your ID?

00:13:13.460 Look, showed my ID and I'm, and I'm out of there.

00:13:15.480 And three, where is that happening?

00:13:16.980 The way the left talks about guns and so-called assault rifles and so on, uh, it just makes it

00:13:27.480 really clear that they, they have, have literally no idea what they're talking about.

00:13:34.460 They've never looked into this.

00:13:36.760 They have no clue what is actually involved in buying a gun.

00:13:40.960 What was that famously?

00:13:42.560 I think Barack Obama claimed famously, what was it that he said?

00:13:46.040 He said that, uh, if I remember correctly, he said, he said, it's easier to get a gun than a

00:13:49.920 library book or something.

00:13:51.420 He said, it's harder to get a book than a gun.

00:13:53.460 Wasn't it?

00:13:54.280 I got to look that up.

00:13:55.000 I'm pretty sure it was a book.

00:13:56.160 This kind of comparison where it's, well, it's harder to get X than a gun.

00:14:00.120 Uh, liberals are doing this all the time and the comparisons just keep getting more and

00:14:04.080 more ridiculous.

00:14:05.880 Harder to get a book than a gun.

00:14:08.240 No, to get, uh, an AR-15.

00:14:10.640 AR-15, let's start with the fact that they're very expensive, which is, which is a barrier

00:14:15.760 for entry for a lot of people, a lot more expensive.

00:14:18.700 Now that's something that you really might not be able to afford, unlike birth control

00:14:21.360 pills or, or contraception of any kind.

00:14:24.600 Um, they're expensive.

00:14:26.480 There's a background check involved.

00:14:28.060 It's, you can't just walk into a place, buy an AR-15 and you're out in two minutes.

00:14:33.000 It's not how it works.

00:14:37.380 If people like David Hogg would take the time to do just a slightest amount of, of research

00:14:43.160 into what they're talking about, they would discover this.

00:14:48.300 Um, all right, here's something else from, this is an interesting report from the Daily

00:14:53.980 Wire, uh, interesting slash hilarious.

00:14:56.960 It says the journal of one New York university's women's and gender studies program.

00:15:02.900 So, you know, it's going to be good.

00:15:04.500 This is a journal from a New York university's women's and gender studies program.

00:15:08.340 You know, whatever's going to happen, whatever, whatever is, whatever comes next, you know,

00:15:12.580 it's good.

00:15:13.580 Um, it's published a paper that insists that milking cows is comparable to sexual abuse,

00:15:18.760 emotional trauma related to pregnancy and non-consensual hormone treatments.

00:15:24.340 Oh my gosh.

00:15:25.300 The paper, um, oh wow.

00:15:29.460 Okay.

00:15:29.720 The, and this is not a joke.

00:15:31.420 Apparently this is real.

00:15:33.540 The paper is titled readying the rape rack feminism and the exploitation of non-human

00:15:39.360 reproductive systems was included in dissenting voices published and edited by the women's

00:15:44.440 and gender studies program at the college at Brockport, uh, state university of New York.

00:15:49.160 Ryan notes that the author and intern for Brockport's women's studies department, um,

00:15:54.560 Ryan is, uh, is, uh, Celine Ryan is writing for campus reform.

00:15:58.340 Uh, she says an intern for Brockport's women's studies department asserts that she must discuss

00:16:02.660 the under-researched feminist aspects of animal agriculture, adding the same way women's health 1.00

00:16:08.900 has been at stake for years.

00:16:10.340 The dairy cows reproductive system has been poked and prodded.

00:16:13.340 The author writes throughout our lives, we were offered an idealized image of dairy cows,

00:16:18.100 where these animals graze on beautiful pastures have room to sew and play and are comforted

00:16:23.700 in spacious areas to sleep.

00:16:25.280 We are presented with images of a life well-lived, but when it comes to the deaths of those same

00:16:29.400 animals, the picture, the picture, perfect story comes to a grim reality.

00:16:32.720 Um, dairy cows are forcibly impregnated or raped and blah, blah, blah.

00:16:38.920 Okay.

00:16:39.160 Anyway, it goes on from there.

00:16:40.320 So this is a, this is a, this is a feminist issue with feminists now comparing themselves 1.00

00:16:44.940 to cows, apparently. 0.50

00:16:46.760 Um, it's actually interesting because over the last few days, we've been during the email

00:16:52.920 portion of the show, we've been talking about factory farming because I had a vegetarian email

00:16:57.140 me a few days ago and, uh, and, and tried to say that, you know, I shouldn't be so dismissive

00:17:03.520 of the vegetarian argument because even if I don't agree with it, it's not irrational.

00:17:08.120 And I said, when it comes to criticisms of factory farming, that's certainly not an irrational

00:17:13.220 criticism.

00:17:13.700 I think that there's, there's something to be said about that.

00:17:16.900 Um, so if you want to make a criticism of factory farming, there are so many avenues

00:17:23.700 you could explore.

00:17:24.540 There's so many arguments you can make, yet somehow this person managed to make the craziest

00:17:32.960 and most delusional argument possible.

00:17:36.900 That's good stuff.

00:17:38.040 All right.

00:17:38.240 What else?

00:17:38.580 Well, there's this story about, uh, Tlaib and Omar being banned from Israel.

00:17:42.980 Uh, I was going to do a whole thing on this, but I realized I don't care that much.

00:17:46.440 Um, Israel can do what it wants. 0.51

00:17:49.060 Makes no difference to me either way, honestly.

00:17:51.320 And that's my analysis.

00:17:52.460 I guess I was going to go into a whole thing, but I think you've heard enough people probably

00:17:56.620 talk about it.

00:17:57.380 Frankly, I find the subject boring.

00:17:58.960 Um, so we'll move on.

00:18:01.880 And in fact, we'll get right to emails.

00:18:03.380 MattWalshow at gmail.com.

00:18:04.780 MattWalshow at gmail.com.

00:18:06.140 There are a bunch of good emails.

00:18:06.940 I want to give time on a Friday, uh, for the emails.

00:18:09.820 This is from Jake says, uh, great overlord of this multiverse and other multiverses.

00:18:14.820 Yesterday, you gave the example of a 16 year old boy dating a 49 year old man that was

00:18:19.340 highlighted on pink news.

00:18:20.660 You talked about how aside from the gay aspect of this story, it's inherently evil for a 1.00

00:18:25.000 young person to date or marry an old person. 0.64

00:18:27.340 So as a Christian, I asked myself, is it actually wrong to have such a large age gap with someone

00:18:32.040 you're dating or married to?

00:18:33.200 If neither person is underage, let's say for the sake of argument that there is some minimum

00:18:37.460 age involved like 18 or 21, biblically speaking, is there any reason why an 18 year old morally

00:18:42.860 shouldn't date or marry a 50 year old, assuming they are opposite genders? 1.00

00:18:47.000 What about 18 and 35?

00:18:48.480 Where's the line?

00:18:49.200 I agree.

00:18:49.620 It's weird and goes against our cultural norms for now, but what is the biblical argument

00:18:53.580 for being so evil?

00:18:54.500 If it's consensual and neither person is underage, I've heard before, uh, though not proven fact

00:18:59.740 that Jesus's mother, Mary was probably in her earlier mid teens and his father, Joseph

00:19:03.940 was probably in his mid thirties when they got married and had Jesus.

00:19:07.060 If that's true, we'd have, let's say a 15 year old marrying a 35 year old.

00:19:10.560 Is this a reasonable age gap?

00:19:12.080 Technically Mary would have been underage by our standards. 1.00

00:19:14.640 Just curious what your thoughts are on this and where you draw the line.

00:19:17.520 Always appreciate your insight.

00:19:18.320 Um, well, I don't think I said it's inherently evil for a young person to marry an old person. 0.95

00:19:24.680 I certainly don't think that.

00:19:26.000 Um, but when you talk about age gaps and what we were discussing yesterday, just to be clear,

00:19:32.520 this was a story in pink news, which is a gay news site.

00:19:36.660 They were celebrating the story, the, uh, uh, uh, the quote unquote relationship between,

00:19:42.900 um, a 50, there was like a 55 year old man and a 22 year old guy, except that they had been

00:19:52.060 quote unquote dating for six years, which means they started quote unquote dating, uh, when he

00:19:58.300 was 49 and the kid was 16.

00:20:01.140 That is clearly not, you know, not just inappropriate, but that's right.

00:20:06.500 Sexual abuse.

00:20:08.760 And then you add on top of that, it's bad enough given the ages, but you add on top of that,

00:20:14.300 the fact that this guy, even at 22, he looked like he was about 10.

00:20:17.280 So you can imagine what he looked like when he was 16.

00:20:19.540 What does that tell you about the, the, you know, the sexual proclivities of this older

00:20:23.740 guy?

00:20:24.780 So that clearly is wrong.

00:20:27.120 However, I don't think I ever said that it's inherently wrong for there to be some sort of

00:20:30.920 age gap between, between two people who are in a relationship.

00:20:34.600 It's just that there's a difference, right?

00:20:36.060 There's a, there's a difference between say, um, someone who's 35 being married to someone

00:20:45.560 who's 50.

00:20:47.480 There's a difference between that and even something like 35 and 20.

00:20:52.920 Now at 35 to be in a relationship with a 20 year old, that's legal. 0.78

00:20:57.380 Nobody could say it's illegal, but I do think that oftentimes it can be just the, the, the

00:21:03.880 difference in, in maturity, you know, I guess that's what it comes down to the, the, the

00:21:11.960 maturity gap between a 55 and a 35 year old is very small and it may be non-existent because

00:21:17.320 you get to a certain point where you've grown, you're an adult.

00:21:20.560 Now you've been an adult for a long time, you know, you've, and you've just experienced

00:21:24.420 life.

00:21:25.700 And, um, so the difference between you and, and that's why at 35, you could get along with

00:21:30.040 someone who's 50 and as a peer really, but some of these age gaps you're talking about

00:21:36.300 here, um, 18 and 35, you mentioned, well, the maturity gap between an 18 year old and

00:21:45.500 a 35 year old is going to be enormous.

00:21:49.340 I mean, I'm, I'm 33 right now.

00:21:51.640 And I think back to myself when I was 18, I was basically a whole other person.

00:21:55.100 Um, the difference between me now, uh, at 33 and when I was 18 is so vast that it's,

00:22:02.220 it feels like it wasn't even me.

00:22:04.100 I was, I might as well, at 18, I might as well have been, you know, five years old maturity

00:22:09.700 wise.

00:22:10.440 And I think that's, so that's why it can be in some cases.

00:22:16.900 Now, maybe there are exceptions, you know, that you could have a 20 year old who's just

00:22:20.280 really mature and has their act together.

00:22:22.120 I'm not saying there aren't possibly exceptions.

00:22:24.620 I just think that, you know, for someone who is significantly more mature and experienced

00:22:30.960 to be in a romantic relationship with someone who is significantly less experienced and mature,

00:22:36.540 then, uh, I think that's where it can be strange, even if it's perfectly legal.

00:22:42.480 Um, all right.

00:22:44.840 This is from Ben says, dear future overlord.

00:22:47.360 What is the funniest verse in the Bible?

00:22:49.080 I believe it is Proverbs 27, 14.

00:22:52.280 Every time I read, read it, I laugh.

00:22:54.380 However, if I'm wrong, I will submit to your authority and will proclaim your correction

00:22:56.920 as the actual funniest verse in the Bible.

00:22:59.260 Um, you know, I think that there's a lot of great things to be said for the Bible.

00:23:04.480 Of course, it is the word of God at the end of the day, but I, you know, I would like

00:23:11.260 it if there's a little bit more comic relief.

00:23:12.540 There's not a lot of that.

00:23:13.400 If I had to point to the funniest verse in the Bible for me, and I, you know, I hope I'm

00:23:18.860 not venturing into blasphemy here.

00:23:20.360 I, the, the verse of Jesus cursing the fig tree, I've always found kind of funny.

00:23:25.140 I understand the symbolic significance of it and everything, but just on a, on a human

00:23:29.080 level, um, it just seems like the kind of thing that I might do if I was God, where

00:23:35.140 you want to, you know, you, you want to take a fig from the tree and it doesn't have figs.

00:23:38.820 And so you get ticked off and you curse the tree.

00:23:43.000 And in one of, in one of the gospels that it tells you that the apostles are standing

00:23:46.480 there and they're saying, Jesus is, I mean, the thing's not in, the thing's not in season.

00:23:50.500 That's why they're trying to explain because they don't understand.

00:23:52.860 So I think from what makes that funny is, um, is from the apostles perspective, they don't

00:24:00.100 understand the symbolic significance of the cursing the fig tree.

00:24:02.660 So from their perspective, Jesus was just ticked off and in a bad mood.

00:24:06.840 So he cursed the fig tree just for the sake of it, which is, you know, I think it's kind

00:24:09.940 of funny.

00:24:10.660 All right.

00:24:10.980 Um, this is from Ken says, I know this may sound harsh, but after hearing your discussion

00:24:15.220 about Marty's deleted tweet, I got to thinking that's a Marty Sampson who deleted it.

00:24:20.020 It was actually an Instagram, uh, post, not a tweet.

00:24:22.640 Uh, he's the lead singer of a well-known Christian rock band who posted something on, on Instagram

00:24:28.040 saying that he's doubting his faith and is on the verge of leaving his faith behind.

00:24:30.940 That's what we're talking about.

00:24:31.920 Uh, Ken says all of his complaints seem to be about how other people weren't doing things for

00:24:36.000 him.

00:24:36.520 People weren't talking about fallen pastors.

00:24:38.520 People weren't talking about contradictions.

00:24:40.540 People weren't talking about miracles.

00:24:42.420 He's a leader in his church.

00:24:44.000 If not his global community, it behooves him to teach people, to teach people these things.

00:24:47.840 It seems he is in a unique position to go and learn solid doctrinal truths and then to

00:24:52.520 convey those truths in song.

00:24:54.980 Just because it's deep doesn't mean you can't sing about it.

00:24:57.280 For hundreds of years, writers of hymns have dealt with deep theological and complicated

00:25:01.280 doctrinal issues and put it to song.

00:25:03.280 Instead of complaining about how other people weren't dealing with deep theological issues,

00:25:06.720 he should have been discovering those and then singing about them.

00:25:09.480 Though he's 40 years old and I don't think he's qualified as a millennial, I think he's

00:25:12.720 been too influenced by them.

00:25:14.740 This seems to be, and I hate to say this, one of the aspects of a younger generation trying

00:25:18.820 to come to grips with what is their job and what is everyone else's job.

00:25:22.160 They said the same thing about Gen X when I was in my 20s and 30s, that we're useless,

00:25:25.560 we don't know how to work, we're lazy, and we'd rather just sit around all day instead

00:25:29.920 of doing something productive, and here's what all of those baby boomers and those great

00:25:33.180 generation folks told me.

00:25:34.460 Get your butt up and go to work.

00:25:36.120 If he doesn't like it that the leadership, which he is a member of, isn't talking about

00:25:40.960 those things, then he should take it upon himself to step in and talk.

00:25:44.380 It's not for him to sit there and complain that the ball is just sitting there on the

00:25:48.280 five-yard line and no one running it in.

00:25:50.400 Pick it up and run with it.

00:25:51.460 Yeah, I think you make a good point here, and I don't deny it.

00:25:58.960 And I said yesterday, a lot of these issues that he's struggling with, apparently, are

00:26:05.680 serious issues.

00:26:07.900 He's dealing with the problem of evil, alleged contradictions in the Bible, apparent contradictions

00:26:13.720 in the Bible, other things like that.

00:26:17.160 Those are serious issues, very deep issues.

00:26:21.700 There's nothing wrong with struggling with them.

00:26:24.140 I think it'd be weird if you didn't struggle with them.

00:26:27.280 I mean, as a Christian, if you've never had a point in your life where you really stopped

00:26:31.080 and dwelled on those problems and felt troubled by them, then I just think that shows that you're

00:26:39.220 not really taking your faith all that seriously, and you're not thinking through things.

00:26:41.980 So there's nothing wrong with that, and as I said yesterday, I think there is a problem

00:26:46.620 with pastors not addressing these issues from the pulpit.

00:26:51.820 There are exceptions, and in fact, I have an email from someone who's a pastor who touches

00:26:55.960 on this.

00:26:56.660 Maybe I'll get to that in a minute.

00:26:58.220 So there are exceptions, but for the most part, these are issues that on the sort of popular

00:27:02.980 mainstream Christian level aren't discussed, and I think that is an issue.

00:27:06.900 Now, as you point out, he was a member of the popular mainstream Christian scene and

00:27:12.720 a leader of it, and so he should have been one of the ones bringing this conversation

00:27:16.200 up, and I agree.

00:27:17.320 And that's why I think, although the questions he raises are reasonable questions and good

00:27:22.560 questions and we should try to address them, I'm not trying to absolve him of all responsibility.

00:27:27.580 Of course, I don't do that.

00:27:28.320 And at the end of the day, whether you're the leader of a Christian rock band or not,

00:27:32.980 no matter who you are, even if these issues aren't being addressed in church, it does,

00:27:41.120 as you said, behooves us to go and pursue those answers.

00:27:45.180 I just think we shouldn't have to pursue them quite as much because this is what churches

00:27:52.120 should be doing.

00:27:53.140 It's one of the main things churches should be doing, in my view.

00:27:55.340 All right, this is from Thomas.

00:27:59.960 Don't we just read one?

00:28:00.940 Oh, we have two emails from two different Thomases.

00:28:03.340 This is from Thomas.

00:28:04.380 Hey, Matt, I was a CO on Rikers Island until I retired about two years ago, and it's not

00:28:08.800 uncommon for COs to sleep on the midnight tour.

00:28:11.520 It seemed to me that some COs took it for granted that it was a given that they would

00:28:14.420 sleep.

00:28:15.060 Some housing areas had spas, inmate suicide prevention aids, I guess SPA is the acronym there,

00:28:23.260 who were supposed to supplement our tours of the area and let us know of any problems

00:28:27.160 with any inmates.

00:28:27.800 I never really trusted SPAs, and I would have preferred to have them locked in on the midnight

00:28:34.280 tour.

00:28:34.700 I was pretty vigilant in making my tours with my trusty rechargeable stream light.

00:28:38.320 Hey, you never know.

00:28:39.260 Also, we were taught that an inmate could hang themselves from low places as well.

00:28:43.020 On Rikers, like at MCC, there was tons of mandatory overtime.

00:28:46.620 A common refrain from the captain would be, you're stuck.

00:28:49.260 In other words, put an H on your chest and handle it.

00:28:51.540 In some jails on Rikers, COs would get stuck four out of four days.

00:28:55.840 Most COs on Rikers work a four and two day rotation, four days on, two days off.

00:29:00.460 You also work, also many work the wheel, which is a different shift every week.

00:29:06.180 Also, I was thinking, could Epstein's broken bones have come from him possibly thrusting

00:29:09.740 his head forward a bunch of times, possibly to overcome his instinct for survival?

00:29:13.500 And perhaps that might explain the shrieking that supposedly occurred.

00:29:16.260 We'll never know, but it would make for a good movie like The International, which I watched

00:29:19.880 the other day, but it was only available on pay-per-view, and I was feeling cheap that

00:29:23.240 day.

00:29:23.800 Thanks for that added note at the end.

00:29:26.420 You know, your perspective and insight as a former prison guard is valuable.

00:29:33.440 So that's interesting and slightly concerning to know that sleeping on the job among prison

00:29:37.960 guards is so common.

00:29:39.860 Not sure I'm a huge fan of that.

00:29:41.340 But the idea that he could have broken his own neck by thrusting his head forward, it's

00:29:49.440 possible.

00:29:50.400 It just seems implausible to me.

00:29:52.880 It seems very implausible.

00:29:57.620 The kind of force that would be required to do that.

00:30:01.860 But you just, you don't hear about it very often.

00:30:03.440 People thrusting their head back and forth and breaking their neck in the process.

00:30:08.980 Again, possible.

00:30:11.000 I think implausible.

00:30:13.220 So no matter what, whatever the explanation is, whatever happened, it's definitely, it's

00:30:18.700 something somewhat incredible happened.

00:30:21.880 We're only left, for a guy, especially given the situation and given the importance of this

00:30:27.620 person, importance because of the information they have.

00:30:30.200 For him to be able to break his own neck, that would be an incredible turn of events.

00:30:37.060 The other possibilities, which may include, for instance, you know, someone getting to

00:30:43.520 him, paying off prison officials or whatever would be involved, that would also be incredible.

00:30:48.060 And so now it's just sort of which explanation is more incredible.

00:30:50.580 And I guess it's left to each individual to decide that.

00:30:54.480 This is from the other Thomas, who's the pastor I mentioned before, says,

00:30:58.220 Hi, Matt, I never missed your show, and I appreciate you being upfront about things the Apostle Paul

00:31:02.860 called hard to be understood.

00:31:04.720 As an independent Baptist pastor who frequently covers apologetics, the harmony of the Gospels,

00:31:10.060 and seemingly confounding questions from the pulpit, I can tell you from experience that

00:31:13.600 only a very small percentage of Christians actually retain or work to retain such technical

00:31:17.700 information.

00:31:18.620 I think that's why many pastors avoid these things from the pulpit, because they figure,

00:31:21.760 what's the point?

00:31:22.760 However, some such as myself still do address these things in pulpit ministry, because even if

00:31:27.040 the people don't often retain it, at least they know now that there are explanations if

00:31:31.020 they want them.

00:31:32.000 This increases their faith, even if they don't allow their knowledge to be increased so much,

00:31:35.960 they end up knowing explanations exist.

00:31:37.740 They just can't articulate them like you or me.

00:31:40.520 Just imagine if all Christians learned to articulate difficult things about the Christian 1.00

00:31:43.780 faith.

00:31:44.120 Perhaps we'd have retained a little more respect over the years.

00:31:47.000 The other reason I still address difficult things in the pulpit is because of trust in leadership.

00:31:51.220 These people will know that I'm going to tell them the truth, because some of these

00:31:54.860 issues we deal with don't have a slam dunk answer.

00:31:58.220 A leader willing to say we don't fully know that proves this honesty.

00:32:02.140 I like what Ravi Zacharias says.

00:32:04.380 God has put enough into this world to make faith in him a most reasonable thing, but he

00:32:07.820 has left enough out to make it impossible to live by sheer reason alone.

00:32:11.260 Faith and reason must always work together in that plausible blend.

00:32:14.840 Thanks for all you do.

00:32:16.200 Yeah, Thomas, I think that that's probably one of the reasons why pastors don't address,

00:32:22.620 pastors aside from yourself and the minority who do, the reason why, that might be one

00:32:27.440 of the reasons why most pastors don't address these difficult issues is because, I guess,

00:32:31.660 as you say, they figure what's the point.

00:32:34.220 I think, though, more common reason, I think probably there are a lot of pastors who don't

00:32:44.240 just don't think about these things either and don't understand them enough to talk about

00:32:47.440 them.

00:32:47.700 Don't study it.

00:32:49.880 Just don't take it seriously.

00:32:53.380 I think that it's very clear to me that there are a lot of church leaders in this country

00:32:57.140 who have an understanding of the Bible that's very paltry and pathetic.

00:33:05.940 And so all they can really do is give you talking points and cliches and surface level

00:33:12.520 because that's as far as their own understanding goes.

00:33:15.300 So I think that's part of the problem.

00:33:18.400 And I think that there's also a cowardice among some pastors that they don't want to

00:33:21.620 get into these deeper issues and problems.

00:33:23.720 They especially don't want to, as you said, with some of these things, there isn't a slam

00:33:28.120 dunk answer.

00:33:29.600 There isn't really an answer at all.

00:33:32.980 You get into the question, you think about it, you dissect it, and at the end of it, you're

00:33:37.680 left still with a question.

00:33:39.440 And that's okay, because we're not going to understand everything in the universe.

00:33:44.080 But I think there are some pastors who are afraid of that, and so they don't want to

00:33:47.580 talk about it.

00:33:48.040 But either way, I think all of these excuses are bad, because this is what you do as a

00:33:52.320 pastor is exactly what pastors need to be doing.

00:33:55.020 If you're not addressing the questions that really matter, and that people are the kinds

00:34:05.100 of things that really trouble people, at least trouble the people who bother to think about

00:34:09.860 them, if you're not addressing that, then why even get up there and say anything?

00:34:15.920 What is the point?

00:34:17.100 If you're going to avoid all of the difficult questions related to faith, then I just think

00:34:24.520 that you're in the wrong profession entirely.

00:34:26.260 You might as well go.

00:34:26.960 Go be a used car salesman.

00:34:28.200 There's just no reason for you to be doing this.

00:34:30.140 Not you specifically, but pastors in general.

00:34:32.980 So I like what you're doing.

00:34:34.880 I think you're being a little too generous maybe to some of your pastor friends who don't

00:34:37.880 do the same thing.

00:34:38.540 I think this is exactly what needs to be done.

00:34:42.060 Something like, you know, there's the issues with the Bible, but things like, as we talked

00:34:46.880 about the problem of evil, the problem of suffering, I'm not saying that every time you get up

00:34:51.760 there on the pulpit, you need to be dealing with that question, but this should be a question

00:34:55.920 that is returned to frequently.

00:34:59.240 Because this is one of the core problems, one of the main issues that people have.

00:35:07.700 All right.

00:35:08.320 But thanks for the email.

00:35:09.220 Thanks, everybody, for watching.

00:35:10.520 I'm on vacation next week, so I'll talk to you in a couple of weeks.

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The Matt Walsh Show - August 16, 2019

Ep. 319 - The Dumbest Boycott Yet

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