Ep. 329 - Okay, Let’s Lower The Voting Age To Zero
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Summary
On this solemn day of remembrance of 9/11, we remember the events that took place that day, and how they changed the course of history for us and the people who lived through them. Today's episode is a tribute to those who lost their lives on that day.
Transcript
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Welcome to the show, everybody, on this solemn day of remembrance.
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I know that's what everyone is saying today, but 18 years is a very long time.
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And I know this is, again, something everyone says, but I think about this a lot,
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that my kids' generation will grow up with 9-11 as an historical fact,
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not a lived experience, but just as a matter of history for them.
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9-11 to my kids is going to be like what the JFK assassination was to me growing up,
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which is I can remember growing up and hearing my parents talk about it
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and talk about what a defining, momentous event it was for them.
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But for me, it may as well have happened 6,000 years ago because it just,
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it was basically anything that happens before you were born,
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even if it happened a day before you were born,
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it may as well be all the way back in ancient times, as far as you're concerned.
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Because for you, the moment you're born, it's all after.
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It's all just in the past from your perspective.
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And that's how 9-11 will be and is for my kids and all kids from now on.
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But those of us who are older, you know, we remember.
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And I guess the tradition on 9-11 is to say where you were when it happened.
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So I was, as I said, I was in the 10th grade and we were in health class, I remember.
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And we were in the middle of whatever lesson and another teacher poked her head in
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and said to my teacher, you might want to turn on CNN.
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And so they turned it on and the first image we saw was the first tower in flames.
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And then like almost everybody else that day, we watched almost in real time as the second
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Then within an hour, maybe two hours, we were all sent home for the day.
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I don't think because they were worried that the terrorist attack would happen at the school.
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I think it was just that there was no hope of anything else happening.
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There was no hope of anyone learning or paying attention to school that day.
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I remember the bus ride and the younger is another image that I have stuck in my head
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from that day is the bus ride home and the younger kids on the bus were so excited and
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cheering about the fact that they could go home early because they didn't understand what
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They had no idea of the enormity of it or really anything.
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To them, it was just they got to go home for the day.
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9-11 is obviously a defining news event for everyone who lived through it, probably the
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But for me as a millennial, it was the defining news event of my childhood, as it was for everyone
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And then I started thinking about what are the other defining news events of my childhood?
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I remember actually that I was in elementary school with the OJ verdict and they actually
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came on the intercom at the elementary school to announce the verdict.
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And I remember my teacher shouting an expletive in frustration.
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And to me, that was the big headline of the day was that my teacher said a bad word because
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I had no idea what OJ was or what that was all about.
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So OJ, then Lewinsky, then Columbine, the 9-11, of course, then the Iraq war.
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I lived in the area where that was happening and it was just a surreal time.
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And it occurred to me that all of the defining news events of my childhood are terrible.
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And I think when you think back to other generations, you have terrible news events that are defining
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news, but they're also at least usually going to be one or two good things, like the moon
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With millennials, though, all we have are, it's all bad stuff.
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There was no real great achievement, some great moment of national unity and celebration that we can
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The unity that we remember is the unity that everyone talks about after 9-11 for those few
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short, unfortunately, months where people seemed to be unified.
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But that was unity brought about by a terrible tragedy.
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So not exactly the same thing as maybe the unity that you would have had on the moon landing or
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Anyway, I think that there's, you could probably write a whole book about the, and probably people
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have written books about the psychological impact, and maybe that explains a lot about
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Moving on to some of the news events of today, of this week.
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I'm not going to spend much time on this, but I suppose the big news story of this week
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is that President Trump fired his national security advisor, John Bolton.
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So we're going through that whole thing again, that whole rigmarole.
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Here's the only thing I want to say about this.
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If you're a member of the audience who can't stomach any criticism of the president, if
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you're one of those people who happen to have that, what I think is extremely un-American
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attitude, where you do not want the president to be criticized at all, as long as he's on
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If you're in that camp, then maybe now's a good time to just go take a bathroom break
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and come back in a few minutes, because it might be easier for both of us, less of a
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headache, so I don't have to deal with all the same old emails.
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Because look, first of all, I don't care that John Bolton is gone.
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I tend to agree with the non-interventionist, or at least less interventionist folks on most
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I did notice online yesterday, most Trump fans, all Trump fans, from what I saw, were
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celebrating this, saying, oh, the president made the right decision again, hooray, good
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I don't know why Trump fans aren't asking this question.
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Well, I do know why they're not asking it, of course.
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So every time one of these people are fired, and everyone in the Trump fan say, good job
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firing him, why don't you ask, what were you doing hiring the guy to begin with?
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Every single person with a brain in their head, when they heard that John Bolton was
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hired by Donald Trump, all of us knew it was going to end this way.
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Trump has a habit of making terrible hiring decisions, hiring either incompetents or people
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who just do not fit in with his vision and his policies such as they are.
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And then he ends up firing them as everyone knows is going to happen.
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And this is just not a sign of competent leadership.
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That was supposed to be one of Trump's strong suits.
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I never believed it actually would be a strong suit of his, but I was told that it would
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He's going to surround himself with the right people.
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And most of his former employees end up hating his guts.
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Or people that are close to him and then they leave and then there's the feud.
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I'm sick of the same old routine, the clown show.
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I'm even more tired of hearing conservatives make excuses for it.
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And it's just, it's nauseating to me at this point.
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I mean, he had a good reason to hire John Bolton.
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Whatever he does that appears to be wrong, there's always a good reason for it.
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And he's always the victim and he never does anything wrong.
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There's always, it's always everybody else's fault.
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It's a, it's a, all these people are conspiring and somehow forcing Trump to do dumb stuff.
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They're, they're, they're, they're somehow, it's really them somehow.
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I mean, I, I, you know, I almost made the mistake of thinking that, that Trump is, you
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know, the president of the United States and an adult and therefore could maybe be held
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responsible for his own actions and could maybe be expected to make intelligent and
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I, I, you know, I, I almost made the mistake of thinking that, but, but it's a silly me.
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I, you're, you're, so you don't need to send the emails because I already know.
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The brilliant minds over at Vox, I should say, have a proposal.
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Um, Vox does, they want to lower the voting age, uh, to zero.
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This is a real opinion put forward by Kelsey Piper over at Vox in a piece that was aptly titled
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Uh, which means even, even, uh, infants, uh, could vote.
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Now let me skim through a bit, a few bits of this, uh, with you says in just over a
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year, American citizens will have a chance to cast their ballot for the next president,
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except for the 75 million Americans barred by state and local laws from registering to
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That is, are there really that many American citizens illegally barred from voting?
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Almost every country bars people under 18 from voting.
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They tend to, to be too rebellious, but the rules persists even in the face of a generation
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of passionate, smart and informed teenage activists.
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And even as it becomes obvious that our current political system is failing our children
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There've been encouraging signs that we might rethink this democratic candidate, Andrew Yang
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has argued for a voting age of 16, uh, that other people have argued as well.
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The United States should consider eradicating the voting age entirely and letting every American
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Who can successfully fill out a ballot, be counted.
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So now we're, we're, we're, we're excluding illiterates, um, should be counted in our local
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So she gives four reasons why we need to get rid of the voting age.
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Number one, the whole concept of a voting age is kind of unprincipled.
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Now there are long explanations for each of these, so I can't read that.
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Um, uh, the U S constitution holds that the right to vote cannot be abridged on the basis
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of race, color, previous condition of servitude, sex, or age.
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If you're older than 18, it's an awkward exception.
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We've carved out to be, to the, um, admirable general principle that just government requires
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fair and free elections in which everyone can participate.
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Number two, the case for democracy can't rest on voters being rational, informed agents.
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Indeed, there's a strong case for democracy that doesn't.
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So she's saying, no, you know, you think that, that voters should be rational and informed.
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Voting as kids will turn young people into better citizens and likely increase participation
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And then number four, kids have the same or even a greater stake in political issues that
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You can go to Vox and read her entire explanation if you really want to.
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Now, I'm not going to harp on the irony here, the morbid irony that this writer, considering
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the fact that she writes for Vox, probably is pro-abortion, which means she wants to give
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voting rights to babies, but she doesn't want to give the right to life to babies.
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Number one side of my brain, probably the more sensible side says, this is crazy.
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Obviously, kids don't know anything about the world.
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If anything, we should be raising the voting age to like 25 or 30.
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Um, or as I have proposed, keep it at, uh, at 18, but institute some sort of basic entrance
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exam to make sure that the people who are voting are in fact rational and informed agents.
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Um, and in that case, actually, now, if you were to do that, that's my idea.
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Now, if we were to do that, then I think maybe you could get rid of the voting age because
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at that point, if you're a rational, informed agent, uh, go ahead and vote.
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So if you happen to be particularly rational and particularly informed at the age of 15,
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If you are not rational and informed at the age of 50, you should not be able to vote.
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So I would, if, if there was that, um, caveat, then I would be fine with saying no voting
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age because, uh, that's the main thing is do these people know what they're doing when
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they go in the voting booth, but generally speaking, kids are, um, uh, are not going
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to be in that camp because they just, they haven't been around long enough.
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You know, it's like the kids I told you on the bus on nine 11, coming home, uh, from,
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from school celebrating because they were kids.
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Contrary to the claims being made here, our democracy does in fact rest on voters being
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And, uh, now the question is, can they, can a democracy survive when the majority of voters
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Well, I guess we're going to find out because that's where we're headed.
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But if it does survive, it will survive in spite of that obstacle, not because of it.
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It's very clear that the best case scenario is where most voters are rational and informed
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and also have a stake in what's going on because they pay taxes.
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But then the other side of my brain kicks in and I say, actually, this may be as a great
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Maybe we should lower the voting age to zero, maybe lower the voting age to zero, no tests,
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Because a child's vote is really his parents vote.
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A kid is going to vote however his parents tell him.
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A child's political opinions, such as they are, are going to be 100% inherited from their
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Okay, there is no nine-year-old out there who, um, who's, who, who, who has their own political
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stance that's completely apart from their parents.
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So what that means is giving voting rights to kids is really just giving extra votes to
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Now that idea, I kind of like, so if you have two kids, then really you have three votes
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because you have your own vote and then your kids votes.
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And really it's sort of is like, uh, uh, it's even more than that because my, you know, me
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and my wife are on the same page and we have our kids.
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So as, as a family unit, we're going to count for six votes.
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Um, so actually, okay, I think I'm in, let's do it.
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Let, let's go ahead and do that because think about it.
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Conservative Catholics, Mormons, Orthodox Jews.
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They're basically the ones having all the kids.
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Um, and I mean, I, I run in Catholic circles where, where families of 11 or 12, even more
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So this is a recipe for conservative religious people taking over the country.
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I don't think the left, the left has thought this all the way through you get rid of the
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You're going to have all these homeschool families rolling up to the polls with their,
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with their 15 passenger vans and all of those nice, well-behaved kids filing out and voting
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for the most conservative candidates right down the ballot.
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a lot of homeschool conventions to speak and I'm telling you those, those parking lots
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are full of 15 passenger vans, buses, little mini buses.
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And you think, oh, there must be, no, those are, those are buses for, for one family.
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If you want to unleash that on the voting booth and then sure, let's do it.
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Uh, yeah, at, at a certain point, I think liberals are going to figure out,
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or, or, or going to have to figure out that, um, this plan of, of not having any kids and
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even killing off your own young, uh, not only is that morally deranged, but it's, it's, it's
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politically counterproductive because you are, you know, taking yourself out of the game as
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Um, Antonio Brown, the wide receiver who forced his way out of Pittsburgh, went to Oakland,
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forced his way out of Oakland, ended up in, on the Patriots.
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The guy is clearly a jerk to say the least, probably a sociopath, not a good person, but
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that doesn't mean we should jump to conclusions on this news that a woman, uh, and this was
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announced last night, a woman has filed a lawsuit against him claiming that he sexually assaulted
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She says Brown assaulted her three times, uh, the first time being two years ago, but the
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lawsuit wasn't filed until this week until Brown was, was, was already in the news.
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She didn't follow the lawsuit until Brown's all over the news.
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Right now, look, I don't know if Brown is guilty.
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Um, so I'm, I'm not a fan of his by any means, but that doesn't mean he's a rapist.
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And I read the allegations and to me, there are some serious red flags here.
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Um, this woman was Antonio Brown's personal trainer, she says, she says he sexually assaulted
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A month later, after being assaulted, she still went to his home for some reason and was assaulted
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And then a while after that, after being allegedly assaulted two times, she went out, she went
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She went like clubbing or something and then goes back to his house and is assaulted a third
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Uh, I, I know I, that makes no, there's, there's more going on here at a, at a minimum because
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And every time I hear stories like this, it, it, it just, now I questioned this story
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on Twitter last night and a bunch of people scolded me saying, how dare you, how dare you
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judge this woman, victim blaming, so on and so forth.
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And yes, I realized that sometimes a woman might stay, uh, oftentimes you hear about these
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cases where a woman stays with an abusive husband, um, uh, or, or even boyfriend who
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she's living with because she feels trapped and, you know, they have kids and, and all
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And it's a terrible situation to be in, I'm sure.
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Um, and the blame is entirely on the abuser there, of course, but that's not what's going
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This was basically a casual relationship and yet she goes back to him after being assaulted,
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is assaulted again, then goes back to him again and is assaulted again.
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I ask you, any woman watching this, would you casually get together with a guy who had
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assaulted you twice and not only get together with him, but go back to his house after a
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Um, she says she only went back to his house to use the bathroom or something because there
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She had no, no choice, but to go back to the guy's house who she says had assaulted her twice
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I mean, I'm asking you as a woman, if you're watching, if you're watching this and you're
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a woman, uh, is there any way in hell you would casually get together with some guy who
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It's not victim blaming because I'm questioning whether or not she actually was a victim, whether
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We can't necessarily assume that it isn't, but we have to look at the story as it's presented
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to us and given the information we know now, um, figure out which direction it most plausibly
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It could, it could not be true, but what's more plausible that a woman would be assaulted
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by a man and then go back to his house anyway, get assaulted again, and then go back to his house a third time.
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Um, is that more plausible than the possibility that she might be fabricating some of this because he's rich and he's in the news.
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And also this is a perfect time to file a lawsuit like this because everyone's against him.
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And I think probably the latter right now is more plausible.
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Um, finally, before we, uh, get to some emails here, let me share one other thing with you.
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Reading from The Hill, uh, same-sex penguin couple to raise first gender-neutral chick at London Aquarium.
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It says a same-sex penguin couple will raise what may be the world's first genderless chick,
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The four-month-old baby will be raised by two female penguins, Rocky and Merima,
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um, at Sea Life London without a gendered name or a specified gender.
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General Manager Graham McGrath said, while the decision may ruffle a few feathers,
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Gender neutrality in humans has only recently become a widespread topic of conversation.
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However, it is completely natural for penguins to develop genderless identities as they grow into mature adults.
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I know what you're thinking when you, when you hear that.
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You're thinking, it's great that they're letting it be gender-neutral,
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but what kind of fascist assigns a species in the first place?
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Isn't it rather presumptuous to sit here and say, oh, we've got this penguin chick.
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For a second, we're not going to call it male or female.
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Meanwhile, you are consigning it to a life as a penguin, having not asked it what it prefers to be.
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You know, it could be a, it could be a tarantula.
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And yet you just assume that it wants to live life as a penguin.
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You know, skipping through the fields like a gazelle.
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Maybe it wants to be climbing a tree like a spider monkey.
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You don't know because you didn't ask, you bigots.
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I just, when I see this kind of closed-minded thinking in people, it sends me through the roof.
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This is what it's like to be so much more enlightened than everybody else as I am.
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This is the cross that I carry in my life as a squirrel.
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I am and have been an atheist for much of my life.
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MattWalshow at gmail.com is the email, by the way.
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I am and have been an atheist for much of my life, despite growing up in a Roman Catholic family and a largely Christian community.
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Recently, however, I am finding that I would like to pursue faith and bring God into my life.
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The part I'm struggling with, and where I would appreciate your insight, is some prominent scientific discoveries seem to contradict the existence of a God, or at least come into conflict largely with the book of Genesis.
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I've talked to some individuals in my community about this, and I've generally been urged to toss certain scientific discoveries to the side as nonsense, such as evolution, in favor of blind biblical readings.
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I cannot simply turn a blind eye to scientific discovery, and I'm not sure where faith and science coincide.
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What are your thoughts, and where can I look for answers in this regard?
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I felt turning to your view would be a good start, as you have in the past at least recognized where and how some views of faith fall short.
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All right, Mike, well, first, it's great that you're thinking about these things, and you're turning this over in your head.
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And as I say to everybody who sends me emails like this, I think that that's, you should be applauded for that, because, now, you'd like to think that everyone thinks about these things and is working them out, and, you know, you like, because for you it comes naturally, right?
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But I think most people live their lives and just don't even think about it, so that's good.
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The people telling you to toss science to the side, I don't know if that's a verbatim quote you're giving me.
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I suspect it isn't, but if that's the general attitude, approach that you're hearing from, I guess, Christians you've talked to, telling you to forget about the science, well, those are people that you shouldn't take seriously.
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I would recommend, I would strongly, I would plead with you, actually, to not talk to them anymore about this.
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You do what you want, but it doesn't sound like those are the kinds of people, they're just, these are not thoughtful people, if that's what they're saying to you.
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Science is not some sort of fringe subject that you could take or leave.
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You can't say, well, science, science, science.
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It is the study, the exploration, the discovery, the explanation of how the physical world works.
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So tossing science to the side is like, it's like, it's like, you might as well say you're tossing gravity to the side.
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Gravity, which has been discovered and explained through science.
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All you could do is delude yourself, try to delude yourself into believing it doesn't exist, but it still exists.
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I would say then, don't toss science to the side.
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And instead, I would explore the ways in which both science and faith can not only coexist, but support one another.
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Because there's no reason to try to find, there's no reason why the two concepts have to contradict or be at odds.
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So I would, I would, that's what, that's what I would do.
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Pick up a book like The Language of God by Francis Collins.
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Explaining the, the harmony between, between science and, and belief in God.
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Although I would caution you though, you know, I write Language of God.
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There are other books like it, but when you're looking for, for, and there are plenty of books, uh, written by very intelligent, very well respected and highly regarded scientists who are also Christian.
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I would caution you there, there are, there are other, there's a whole other sort of cottage industry out there of, of, of some Christian, um, who I,
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some basic, basically hacks and charlatans who they claim they're finding a harmony between science and, and religion.
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But what they're really trying to do is debunk established scientific facts because those established scientific facts do not work with their personal reading of scripture.
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The ones who do that, again, are charlatans and hacks.
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You know, if you're reading a book and it's a Christian who is trying to claim that established scientific facts are not facts, put that to the side.
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Um, but there are, fortunately, as I said, are a lot of, of, of, of, uh, scientists who are also Christian who do not do that.
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Um, and who can, who, who, who, who can look at the world and say, this is how the world works.
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This is from Nick says, Matt, have you seen this?
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It's a, and then he gives me a link to a USA Today article with the title girl power Hasbro or Hasbro brings gender pay gap debate to game night with new Miss Monopoly.
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Monopoly. And, uh, by the way, if you haven't heard of this, this is a, this is a, apparently a new version of Monopoly where, um, women, if you're a woman playing the game, you start out with more money than the men.
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And I think, I think it's every time, because usually in Monopoly, every time you pass go, you get 200.
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But every time you pass go in this version, the women get like $240 and the men still get 200 or whatever.
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Um, and then the email could, as the father of two daughters, I can't think of anything more demeaning than telling females they can't win unless they are given a head start.
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In this game, female players are given more money at the start.
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The article even feels the need to explain that it is possible for boys to win the game.
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Thought I'd share what an embarrassment to our women in our country.
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Um, yeah, well, I tell you what's, what, what would be really embarrassing for me.
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Um, I, I, I would love to, to, to play this game.
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Uh, because it's like, it's like, it's like playing pickup basketball with someone when you just sprained your ankle.
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If you lose, then you could always say, well, hey, I just, you know, I have an injury.
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But if you win, then it's even more impressive that you won.
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So for me, I would love to play this game because I figure if I still win, even though I'm at this disadvantage, uh, it makes me look even better.
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And it's even more embarrassing for the competitors who had that advantage and still were not able to win.
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So for me, if there, if there was a version of this game for men where men got more, I wouldn't want to play that game because I'd be way too afraid I would still lose.
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So I would say this just sets up a great challenge for guys.
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Of course, it makes no sense whatsoever that we have.
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I mean, the, the original Monopoly game is equality, right?
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You sit down, you play the game, everyone, it's the, you all have to roll the dice.
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That's how it's, we're told that it's claimed that that's how feminists want the world to work with equality.
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And you discover yet again, that of course, equality is not what they want.
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And this Monopoly game is just one small, rather petty, but still, uh, I think very telling sign of what feminists actually want.
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