The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 331 - The Most Embarrassing Debate Yet

00:00:00.000 OK, I just want to say, you know, I saw this story this morning. It's from the Daily Star, a very reputable news outlet.

00:00:05.660 And it tells it tells us that there's there have been these these these sightings of UFOs like snake like snake,

00:00:13.120 basically like snakes in the sky, I guess, across the country.

00:00:18.120 And according to someone who was interviewed by the Daily Star, the the U.S. government is investigating this and they're looking into it to figure out if we're being invaded by aliens.

00:00:27.260 They're very concerned about it, you know, about the snake crafts that are in the sky.

00:00:30.600 And I just I just want to say that I especially after watching the debates last night, I am rooting so, so hard for an alien invasion at this point.

00:00:40.500 Not not foreign aliens. We already got that going on. But like extra extraterrestrials basically coming here and enslaving mankind. 0.93

00:00:47.540 I am real. I really am rooting for that. I think that would be great.

00:00:50.560 If any aliens happen to be listening to this broadcast right now, I plead with you. 1.00

00:00:55.860 I invite you, please come and enslave us all. The whole humanity thing honestly isn't working out very well.

00:01:03.700 So if you want to just you know, you're not going to encounter a lot of resistance is all I'm saying.

00:01:08.500 Now, as for the debate, it was it was depressing and disturbing on a number of levels.

00:01:14.040 But I I must admit it was also entertaining as hell. And that's that's the main thing that matters.

00:01:20.460 Right. Is that we're entertained when we watch these debates, because so often the entertainment factor just isn't there.

00:01:26.300 I really enjoyed it. In fact, there was one point in the debate. And this always happens. Right.

00:01:29.840 You always have the goody two shoes who does this when you've got people screaming at each other and the audience is enjoying it.

00:01:35.780 We're eating our popcorn, loving every second of it. And someone always jumps in and says, hey, guys, guys, guys.

00:01:41.280 Let's this isn't what the American people want to see. So last night it was I think it was Buttigieg who who stepped in while during the screaming match and said, guys, you know, this is not why Americans tune into debates.

00:01:53.220 And of course, we're all thinking, no, that's exactly why we tune into debates. This is exactly what we want to see.

00:01:58.880 But now, if you're part of the Democrat Party, it's probably not good for you. It's pretty embarrassing.

00:02:04.520 But for the rest of us, I really like it. You had Bernie shouting and until he lost his voice, you had Kamala, I think, was basically drunk and erupting into laughter at inappropriate times.

00:02:16.420 You had Andrew Yang tossing money into the crowd. Castro call calling Biden an old fart. 0.97

00:02:23.300 This this is basically what was happening. Not literally what was happening, but this is this is basically what was happening.

00:02:28.880 So we're going to go through and talk about the debate and try to figure out just how just how deeply into despair we should plunge at the thought of these people controlling the country at the thought that this is a major political party in America.

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00:03:53.760 OK, so the debate last night, a debate where Jorge Ramos helped moderate from from from Univision.

00:04:03.160 He helped to moderate the debate, breaking into Spanish at various points for no apparent reason.

00:04:08.420 And here's the thing. Jorge Ramos is an American citizen.

00:04:11.620 He's about 60 now. He became a citizen when he was 50 years old.

00:04:14.680 But he is. And I was I was reminded of this last night when I when I was slightly critical on Twitter of Jorge Ramos's involvement in the debate.

00:04:27.260 And my criticism stems from the fact not from the fact that he's that he's of Mexican descent,

00:04:34.200 but the fact that he is staunchly opposed to American sovereignty very clearly and always has been.

00:04:40.560 So I have to admit that it rubs me the wrong way.

00:04:43.220 It does. I mean, I was told last night this makes me racist.

00:04:47.180 You're a racist. How dare you? 1.00

00:04:50.560 But it doesn't it doesn't seem racist to me that I it does rub me the wrong way when people come here.

00:04:56.420 And even if they move and become citizens and then turn around and lecture us about American sovereignty and tell us why we shouldn't have borders.

00:05:02.820 I don't like that. You know, that's I don't like it.

00:05:06.000 I admit. And that's that was Ramos's function at the debate was to sit there and lecture the presidential candidates and to try to prompt them to essentially disavow American sovereignty,

00:05:18.760 which this is a Democrat debate. So they were more than happy to do.

00:05:22.060 But that doesn't make it any less of a repulsive spectacle, in my view.

00:05:29.780 I mean, what do you think? Do you think.

00:05:33.480 Hold on a second. I feel like Bernie at the debate last night.

00:05:36.800 Losing my voice. Do you think Mexico for its debates, do you think it brings in American journalists to lecture its candidates about its border enforcement?

00:05:47.400 Do you think they do that? Well, I sort of doubt it.

00:05:52.100 Do you think any country in the world has candidates who break into English?

00:05:58.200 Do you think any non English country in the world has candidates who break into English just to try to impress everybody?

00:06:05.120 I really doubt it.

00:06:06.820 This is all unique to our situation, because America is the only country in the world that's supposed to feel ashamed of enforcing its borders.

00:06:13.440 It's the only country that isn't allowed to have borders.

00:06:15.500 Everyone else can have borders. Mexico has borders. They enforce it. 1.00

00:06:18.700 As is discussed sometimes, Mexico has its own southern border. They enforce it.

00:06:24.440 But no, we're not allowed to do that.

00:06:26.280 And someone from Mexico can come here, even if they move here and tell us, no, you can't have borders. 0.91

00:06:31.040 Shame on you.

00:06:33.020 And we're not allowed. But you can't have any problem with that.

00:06:35.000 All you're allowed to do is just sit silently and say, OK, sir.

00:06:38.660 Yes, sir. I'm sorry, sir. Yes, sir.

00:06:40.560 If you try to speak up and say, what are you doing coming here and tell us, right, if you do that racist, that's racist.

00:06:48.920 All right.

00:06:50.660 For my tweets last night, I've had all these people saying, are you going to delete that tweet and apologize?

00:06:55.460 When's the apology?

00:06:56.340 No, I'm not going to delete an apology.

00:06:58.900 Do you know why? Because I don't care about your opinion if you're offended.

00:07:02.120 I don't care about your opinion and your outrage means nothing to me.

00:07:05.140 So that's why I don't apologize.

00:07:08.960 I'm just being I'm just being frank with you.

00:07:11.360 All right. On a lighter note for for for me, the highlight of the night was the fact that Kamala Harris appeared to be drunk. 1.00

00:07:18.520 That's that's the sense I got. 0.96

00:07:20.040 She appeared to be drunk as a skunk. 0.62

00:07:21.280 I don't know. But she was the whole night. 0.75

00:07:24.620 She was like your drunk aunt at Thanksgiving, laughing for no reason.

00:07:28.000 Well, everyone just stands, sits there awkwardly.

00:07:31.300 You know, you're in the middle of a conversation.

00:07:32.860 The aunt pipes and laughs.

00:07:34.720 Everyone's like, OK, anyway, that's that's what it was the entire night.

00:07:39.780 I think maybe chugging Chardonnay before the debate probably wasn't a great idea.

00:07:44.460 I guess they told her she needs to loosen up. 0.99

00:07:46.200 She's got this whole image as the she's got the cop image.

00:07:49.060 Right. As someone who's and that's that doesn't do well for Democrats.

00:07:52.880 So they told her to loosen up. 1.00

00:07:54.280 And I think she she loosened up a little bit too much.

00:07:57.180 And she tried to turn the debate into a stand up special, which I have to say, out of recent stand up specials,

00:08:02.380 the way I would rank them is probably Bill Burr, number one, Dave Chappelle, number two.

00:08:08.080 And then Kamala Harris would be a distant three. 0.82

00:08:11.280 Now, here's here's one of her jokes. 0.88

00:08:15.000 And I want you to pay attention to the moderator's response to the joke.

00:08:21.900 Here it is. Watch this.

00:08:23.440 Donald Trump in office on trade policy.

00:08:27.120 You know, he reminds me of that that guy in The Wizard of Oz.

00:08:30.420 You know, when you pull back the curtain, it's a really small dude.

00:08:33.560 OK, the clip cuts off so you don't get to see Kamala laughing hysterically at her own joke for the next seven minutes.

00:08:48.900 But I just I love the the OK from the moderators.

00:08:52.500 Trump is like Trump.

00:08:53.860 It's like the Wizard of Oz, you know, the little small dude from Wizard of Oz.

00:08:57.840 OK, a small dude, did you get a small dude?

00:09:04.800 All right. Moving on.

00:09:06.500 But here's I think this I think is is Kamala's drunkest moment.

00:09:12.180 And well, you tell me you watch this and you tell me if this if this looks sober to you.

00:09:18.700 Watch this.

00:09:19.280 Today's former vice president Biden has said about executive orders.

00:09:22.580 Some really talented people are seeking the nomination.

00:09:25.180 They said, I'm going to issue an executive order.

00:09:27.080 Biden's saying there's no constitutional authority to issue that executive order when they say I'm going to eliminate assault weapons,

00:09:33.140 saying you can't do it by executive order any more than Trump can do things when he says he can do it by executive order.

00:09:39.460 Does the vice president have a point there?

00:09:41.220 Some things you can.

00:09:42.800 Many things you can't.

00:09:43.720 Let's let the senator answer.

00:09:45.560 Oh, I mean, I would just say, hey, Joe, instead of saying, no, we can't.

00:09:50.420 Let's say, yes, we can.

00:09:53.760 Let's be constitutional.

00:09:55.020 We got a constitutional.

00:09:57.140 And yes, we can.

00:09:58.120 Instead of saying, instead of saying we can.

00:10:02.600 Let's say, yes, we can.

00:10:05.920 Now, actually, the the transition.

00:10:09.520 Because what you didn't pick up in that clip there, what the clip cut off, but the transition from that joke to the point she really wanted to make is what we need to focus on, because this is my favorite transition I've ever seen in a debate.

00:10:24.180 Let's let's go back to that clip.

00:10:26.260 And we're going to play it from when when the last one left off.

00:10:28.840 Watch can let's be constitutional. 0.99

00:10:34.360 We got a constitutional.

00:10:35.560 We can because I'll tell you something.

00:10:38.140 The way that I think about this is I've seen more autopsy photographs than I care to tell you.

00:10:46.940 Yes, we can.

00:10:48.060 But seriously, I've seen so many dead people.

00:10:52.180 It's very traumatizing.

00:10:53.560 That was that was her transition.

00:10:55.240 It was laughing hysterically.

00:10:56.760 And she went from there to talking about autopsy photos.

00:11:01.360 That was that was that was good.

00:11:03.740 Now, what else happened?

00:11:05.440 A few points.

00:11:07.580 Let's see a few points.

00:11:08.580 I want to go through here.

00:11:09.520 First, the OK, the candidates were given about 20 minutes to talk about how much they hate racism, which wasn't even the biggest softball of the night.

00:11:24.960 The biggest softball of the night was the final half hour when they were all given the chance to tell flattering stories about themselves, which we'll talk about a little bit later.

00:11:32.700 But that was seriously the last it was a three hour debate.

00:11:36.280 God help us the last 30 minutes.

00:11:38.420 And I was wondering, why do you three hours?

00:11:40.740 How are you going to fill all that time?

00:11:42.140 Well, it's because they wanted to leave the last half hour to give the candidates a chance to say nice things about themselves, which they were more than happy to do.

00:11:53.140 But for the racism thing, Buttigieg and O'Rourke.

00:11:59.640 You know, being as they were at a historically black college and this is a Democrat debate, they really and they themselves, of course, are white white dudes.

00:12:07.120 They really turned the pandering mode up to turbo.

00:12:10.500 I mean, they really turned it on.

00:12:11.880 And but there's a there's I think there's a problem with the sort of pandering that we see from on this particular issue that we see from from from Buttigieg and O'Rourke.

00:12:27.300 But we'll play the clip first.

00:12:28.160 Watch this.

00:12:28.500 I believe what's deepened divisions in the country is the conduct of this president.

00:12:33.380 And we have a chance to change all of that.

00:12:35.820 Look, systemic racism preceded this president.

00:12:38.720 And even when we defeat him, it will be with us.

00:12:41.280 That's why we need a systemic approach to dismantle it.

00:12:45.440 It's it's not enough to just take a racist policy, replace it with a neutral one and expect things will just get better on their own.

00:12:53.520 Harms compound in the same way that a dollar saved compound.

00:12:57.400 So does a dollar stolen.

00:12:58.720 And we know that the generational theft of the descendants of slaves is part of why everything from housing to education to health to employment basically puts us in two different countries.

00:13:09.580 I have proposed the most comprehensive vision to tackle systemic racism in every one of these areas.

00:13:16.040 Marshaling as many resources as went into the Marshall plan that rebuilt Europe.

00:13:19.760 But this time a Douglas plan that we invest right here at home to make sure that we're not only dealing with things like the over incarceration of black Americans, but also black solutions. 0.75

00:13:31.660 Entrepreneurship raising to 25 percent the target for the federal government to do business with minority owned businesses.

00:13:37.900 Investing in HBCUs that are training and educating the next generation of entrepreneurs.

00:13:43.160 We can and must do that.

00:13:44.360 But that means transcending this framework that pits us against each other, that pits a single black mother of three against a displaced autoworker.

00:13:52.860 Because when I come where I come from, a lot of times that displaced autoworker is a single black mother of three. 1.00

00:13:58.040 We've got to say that and bring people together.

00:14:00.160 OK, there's Buttigieg on on racism.

00:14:02.960 And but I think, again, there's an issue with with the way that O'Rourke and Mayor Pete try to address this this this particular issue.

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00:15:21.020 All right.

00:15:23.640 Here's the issue.

00:15:24.400 When you've got Buttigieg and O'Rourke talking about racism and so on, systemic racism, you, okay, but you're two white dudes running for president.

00:15:34.180 If you're really concerned about systemic racism, wouldn't you drop out and throw your support behind one of the candidates of color that are running for president?

00:15:43.380 Someone like Kamala or Booker or Yang.

00:15:45.600 Aren't you, because aren't you basically saying, if you think that there's systemic racism in this country, that it is ingrained in our system, then aren't you really saying, systemic racism is a huge problem, and the best person to fix it is me, a white man, rather than a black man or a black woman or an Asian man?

00:16:04.340 See, that doesn't make much sense to me.

00:16:05.880 It's the same problem that these pandering men have, like Biden, when they say, oh, yeah, I'm going to pick a female VP, because it's about time that we had a female in the White House. 0.52

00:16:15.700 Just, she shouldn't be at the top, though.

00:16:17.240 She should be right below me. 0.98

00:16:19.020 She shouldn't be at the top of the food chain.

00:16:20.820 She should be one step below it.

00:16:23.480 If you really feel that way, but if you really feel like it's so important we have a woman in the White House that I'm going to make her my VP, then why are you trying to take votes from female candidates?

00:16:32.460 Why not offer your services as a woman's VP, okay, rather than trying to make it the other way around? 0.98

00:16:40.800 That's what doesn't make any sense, and that's where I think the pandering comes back to bite them in the butt. 0.99

00:16:49.880 Now, health care. 0.93

00:16:52.400 They talked a lot about health care.

00:16:53.560 I'm not going to play any clips, but there was an interesting blowup over health care, and we see this every time there's a Democrat debate,

00:17:00.440 where you've got Warren and Sanders insisting that everybody will magically get free health care,

00:17:08.720 and meanwhile you've got a few remaining not-yet-full-blown socialists who at least sort of understand that you have to be able to pay for things.

00:17:17.740 And so they're demanding that Warren and Sanders explain how they're going to pay for this stuff, and they can't do it,

00:17:24.800 because there is no way to pay for it, other than massively raising taxes on everyone.

00:17:28.840 But Sanders doesn't understand it. 0.56

00:17:32.140 Sanders is just yelling and screaming and waving his arms around like a maniac. 0.69

00:17:35.320 He doesn't understand anything.

00:17:37.800 Warren, too, is completely out of touch with reality.

00:17:41.200 And I thought that Warren's problem of being out of touch was profoundly demonstrated by her opening statement.

00:17:52.960 Let's give a listen to that.

00:17:54.840 So I was born and raised in Oklahoma, but I'm sure glad to be in Texas tonight.

00:18:01.020 All three of my brothers served in military bases here in Texas.

00:18:05.760 That was their ticket to the middle class. 0.54

00:18:08.300 Me, I got my big opportunity about a half-mile down the road from here at the University of Houston,

00:18:14.540 back when it cost $50 a semester.

00:18:17.840 For a price that I could pay for on a part-time waitressing job, I got to finish my four-year degree,

00:18:25.360 and I became a special needs teacher.

00:18:27.960 And after law school, my first big job was back here in Houston.

00:18:32.260 By then, I had two little kids, and when child care nearly brought me down, my Aunt Bea moved in and saved us all.

00:18:40.860 The paths to America's middle class have gotten a lot smaller and a lot narrower.

00:18:46.740 Today, service members are preyed upon by predatory lenders.

00:18:51.440 Students are crushed by debt, and families cannot afford child care.

00:18:56.240 I know what's broken, I know how to fix it, and I'm going to lead the fight to get it done.

00:19:05.820 Okay, so you see this theme that she keeps going back to in the opening statement.

00:19:13.180 Ticket to the middle class, paths to the middle class.

00:19:16.960 What she doesn't understand, probably because she's not middle class, she's upper class,

00:19:21.020 but she doesn't understand is that being middle class is not anybody's goal, okay?

00:19:26.640 Nobody gets a job and says, woo-hoo, this is my ticket to the middle class.

00:19:31.100 Watch out, middle class, here I come. 1.00

00:19:33.940 I'm making $65,000 a year.

00:19:35.980 My goals are complete.

00:19:37.620 I am in the middle class.

00:19:39.580 Smooth sailing from here on out.

00:19:41.880 No, people aspire to more than that.

00:19:45.880 Okay, most of us end up in the middle class sort of by default.

00:19:50.440 That's the thing.

00:19:51.560 All of this sucking up that candidates do to the middle class and the middle class is so great. 0.94

00:19:58.520 Everyone in the middle class, you end up there by default.

00:20:01.220 You didn't want to be middle class.

00:20:03.520 It's just that's where you are.

00:20:05.320 But the point is, everyone, people aspire, they strive to move up.

00:20:11.120 That's what everyone wants to do.

00:20:12.340 And there's not anyone saying, well, let me get the middle class.

00:20:15.460 Let me get to, you know, right there, right in the middle.

00:20:18.160 And I'm done.

00:20:19.260 I'm good to go.

00:20:20.900 It's not the way it works.

00:20:22.400 If you're poor, you'd rather be middle class than poor.

00:20:25.040 But you'd also rather be well off than middle class.

00:20:29.460 Because that's where people's aspirations and dreams and goals go,

00:20:33.620 whether or not they're ever achieved.

00:20:35.920 But what we hear from Democrat politicians is what they're telling us is,

00:20:40.280 well, we should get to middle class.

00:20:42.240 You should be satisfied with that.

00:20:44.100 That's all.

00:20:44.880 Now, I, as a Democrat politician, I can be rich, right, and have three houses or whatever.

00:20:49.280 But you, you should be satisfied and happy right there.

00:20:51.980 We're going to keep you right there.

00:20:55.420 That, to me, is a very concerning attitude.

00:20:58.780 Speaking of concerning attitudes, whole conversation about guns and gun violence.

00:21:04.560 Beto O'Rourke went off on his whole thing.

00:21:07.060 Now, he's going all in on gun confiscation, saying, yeah, we're going to take the guns.

00:21:10.980 We're going to buy them back, which is to say, we're going to steal your guns and then compensate

00:21:16.640 you with whatever amount of money we decide.

00:21:19.520 Just to, which is, like we talked about last week, it's really your own money.

00:21:23.200 So we're going to take money out of your pocket and use it to buy your gun from you by force.

00:21:28.740 And then you're supposed to be happy with that.

00:21:32.380 So Beto's, Beto's talking about gun confiscation.

00:21:35.240 And there's a lot of conversation about gun violence and gun deaths and all these statistics

00:21:40.900 flying around about how many gun deaths there are.

00:21:43.480 And the only thing I want to say about that, because I think it bears repeating every time

00:21:46.800 this subject comes up, when you hear all these scary statistics about gun violence and

00:21:51.080 gun deaths specifically, we should always remember the gun death figure, whatever it is, whatever

00:21:58.860 they're going to say it was for 2018, whatever it ends up being 2019, nearly two thirds of

00:22:06.140 those gun deaths are suicides, which is tragic and terrible.

00:22:12.380 And what we really learned from that is that there is a suicide epidemic in this country.

00:22:16.640 There are a lot of people committing suicide.

00:22:18.540 And that's something we should be talking about.

00:22:20.620 But the reason we don't talk about that is that it would be absurd, obviously, to blame

00:22:25.400 suicide on a gun.

00:22:27.660 Even Democrats aren't at the point yet where they would do that because they realize that,

00:22:32.440 look, if somebody wants to kill themselves, there are many ways to do it.

00:22:36.400 And if they don't have a gun, there are dozens of other ways that they could potentially kill

00:22:40.960 themselves.

00:22:41.400 So to blame it on the gun, just you can't do it.

00:22:43.340 It makes no sense.

00:22:44.560 Now, it also makes no sense to blame a mass shooting on a gun necessarily.

00:22:48.540 But, and they have no problem doing that.

00:22:50.800 But to blame a suicide on it is even more of a stretch, which is why they don't want

00:22:54.720 to talk about that.

00:22:55.380 Instead, they lump everything together.

00:22:57.280 But two thirds are suicides.

00:22:59.120 If you're talking about the problem of people killing other people with guns, it just, you

00:23:06.860 cannot lump suicides in with that.

00:23:08.860 That's a different category of thing.

00:23:10.860 Tragic, sad, terrible, something that we need to talk about and address, but it, you cannot

00:23:17.040 put it in the same category as a mass shooting.

00:23:20.000 It's a completely different phenomenon.

00:23:22.980 So we should always remember that.

00:23:24.440 Um, all right, putting, uh, putting the issues to the side for a moment, I want to say one

00:23:31.580 other thing about the debate.

00:23:32.900 Um, I want to say something about Joe Biden because Joe Biden, I think had a fairly disastrous

00:23:40.000 performance.

00:23:40.660 I think all of his performances at the debates have been bad.

00:23:43.380 Uh, I think his performance in general on the campaign trail has been pretty bad.

00:23:47.100 And, uh, and this is a guy that, uh, 15 years ago, if he was out on the campaign trail, I

00:23:53.140 think he would have been formidable.

00:23:55.080 He did run for president other times and, and, and didn't succeed.

00:23:58.220 But I think he was a formidable politician, at least he was a formidable politician for

00:24:02.220 most of his career because he's just, he was, uh, even though I didn't agree with, and

00:24:07.420 I don't agree with his policies, relatively charming guy, um, good on his, good, good on his

00:24:13.320 feet, all that kind of stuff.

00:24:15.240 Right.

00:24:15.360 Uh, quick thinker.

00:24:18.340 Well, that, you know, he's 77 years old now and, and he's lost a lot of that.

00:24:23.460 And that's just, that's what happens to everybody.

00:24:25.260 If you live long enough, it's going to happen to you where you get older and your mind doesn't

00:24:30.520 work as quick anymore and your body starts shutting down.

00:24:33.740 That's it.

00:24:35.080 Most, most men die before the age of 85 at 77.

00:24:38.140 You are probably only a few years from death.

00:24:41.380 That is the sad reality of being puny mortals in, uh, in living in the physical world.

00:24:48.720 So I think it's, it's been a sad performance of overall.

00:24:52.280 Um, and at the debate last night, it was, it was especially bad because he wasn't even

00:25:00.320 making sense for most of the time.

00:25:02.180 For instance, um, watch, watch this clip right here.

00:25:06.160 Nobody should be in jail for a nonviolent crime.

00:25:09.040 As when we were in the white house, we released 36,000 people from the federal prison system.

00:25:14.040 Okay.

00:25:14.240 So he says nobody should be in jail for violent crimes.

00:25:17.420 So embezzlement, child pornography, burglary, uh, those are all nonviolent crimes.

00:25:23.360 So you're telling me those should be legal.

00:25:25.020 Well, no, obviously Biden doesn't think that one would assume it's just that he's not thinking

00:25:29.900 clearly at all is the problem.

00:25:32.400 Um, now here he is, here he is making a point.

00:25:35.980 I'm not sure what the point is he's trying to make, but he does seem confused about what

00:25:40.460 decade we're living in.

00:25:41.500 We bring social workers into homes and parents to help them deal with how to raise their children.

00:25:47.320 It's not that they don't want to help.

00:25:48.620 They don't want, they don't know quite what to do.

00:25:51.120 Play the radio, make sure the television, excuse me, make sure you have the record player on

00:25:56.420 at night, the phone, make sure the kids hear words.

00:25:59.700 A kid coming from a very poor school, a very poor background will hear 4 million words,

00:26:05.080 fewer spoken by the time they get there.

00:26:07.000 There's so much, no, I'm going to go like the rest of them do.

00:26:09.600 But yes, um, uh, record players, it's, he's talking about record players.

00:26:18.160 And this is what made it really sting when Castro essentially accused him of having dementia.

00:26:23.700 Be enrolled.

00:26:24.300 They wouldn't have to buy in.

00:26:25.420 That's a big difference because Barack Obama's vision was not to leave 10 million people uncovered.

00:26:30.620 He wanted every single person in this country covered.

00:26:33.720 My plan would do that.

00:26:35.120 Your plan would not have to buy in.

00:26:37.360 They do not have to buy.

00:26:38.860 You just said that.

00:26:39.860 You just said that two minutes ago.

00:26:41.520 You just said two minutes ago that they would have to buy in.

00:26:44.520 You said they would have to buy in.

00:26:46.420 Your grandmother would not have to buy in.

00:26:47.000 If she qualifies for medication, she'd automatically be in for it.

00:26:50.920 Are you forgetting already what you said just two minutes ago?

00:26:54.060 I mean, I can't believe that you said two minutes ago that they had to buy in.

00:26:59.620 And now you're saying they don't have to buy.

00:27:01.000 You're forgetting that.

00:27:01.780 I said anyone like your grandmother who has no money. 1.00

00:27:04.800 You need a health care system that automatically enrolls people regardless of whether they choose to opt in or not.

00:27:12.620 If you lose your job, for instance, his health care plan would not automatically enroll you.

00:27:18.020 You would have to opt in.

00:27:19.260 My health care plan would.

00:27:20.640 That's a big difference.

00:27:21.480 It's I'm fulfilling the legacy of Barack Obama, and you're not.

00:27:25.740 I'll be surprised to him.

00:27:28.020 Honestly, I can't laugh at that.

00:27:31.180 That's brutal and sad.

00:27:33.920 And there's also a clip floating around out there of Biden appearing to lose his dentures while he's –

00:27:40.140 something weird is happening in his mouth while he's talking.

00:27:42.980 I'm not going to play it.

00:27:43.940 But I just – I don't get it with Biden.

00:27:47.800 You're very old.

00:27:49.640 You're rich.

00:27:51.140 You've had a successful life.

00:27:52.580 I mean, most people will never be vice president.

00:27:54.640 Most people will never be senator.

00:27:56.040 So you've done that.

00:27:57.020 You've achieved more than a lot of people.

00:27:59.360 Why not go home and enjoy your remaining years?

00:28:02.300 Go home with your family.

00:28:03.780 And what's the – why put yourself through this?

00:28:07.800 He's not only having all these gaffes on the campaign trail,

00:28:10.500 but at the first debate, he's accused of being racist by Kamala Harris.

00:28:15.080 At this debate, he's accused – he's essentially called senile by Castro.

00:28:19.460 The guy's being embarrassed up there, and there's no reason –

00:28:23.980 at least if he was a younger man, and you might say that, okay, this is his first foray.

00:28:29.940 It's not working out.

00:28:30.840 He could try again.

00:28:32.380 But that's not going to happen for Biden.

00:28:34.920 So why not – go just be retired.

00:28:37.700 Go play golf, take up fishing.

00:28:41.400 You know how much I would love if I could just go fish every day and do nothing else?

00:28:45.740 That's what Joe Biden could do at the age of 77.

00:28:52.340 It's similar to how I felt about Hillary Clinton, 0.97

00:28:55.960 although Hillary Clinton is certainly a more repulsive human being, 1.00

00:29:00.240 so it was a lot harder to feel sorry for. 0.99

00:29:02.580 But even with Hillary Clinton, she's falling apart, having all these health problems. 1.00

00:29:06.740 She's an old woman grasping desperately for this last chance at power, 1.00

00:29:13.640 and you think, why?

00:29:16.360 What is it really worth it for all of this?

00:29:19.480 Even if you win, you're going to only be in office probably for four years.

00:29:22.440 That's all your body's going to be able to take.

00:29:24.580 And then you die soon after.

00:29:26.220 You won't even be able to enjoy the fact that you had all this power.

00:29:28.800 So I don't get it.

00:29:33.320 And here's one thing I want to say about Biden in all seriousness.

00:29:37.120 At the end of the debate, as I mentioned, they had this softball segment that went on for way too long

00:29:41.500 where they asked everybody – they gave everyone a chance to tell a flattering story about themselves,

00:29:45.540 and they asked them – the question was, name a time when you overcame adversity.

00:29:51.160 It was an actual question asked at a debate.

00:29:56.000 The kind of question that, of course, will be asked of Democrats,

00:29:59.260 but you'll never expect to see a question like that asked of Republicans.

00:30:02.300 And Bernie talked about when he ran for mayor in Vermont.

00:30:06.660 That was his overcoming adversity.

00:30:10.000 Buttigieg talked about the fact that Mike Pence is mean. 0.96

00:30:13.800 And everyone had pretty pathetic examples of the adversity that they overcame. 0.90

00:30:17.460 And Cory Booker said his tires were slashed one time. 0.94

00:30:21.640 Well, Biden talked about losing his wife and child in a car accident

00:30:27.180 and then losing his son to brain cancer years later.

00:30:31.560 And that's a reminder that – and there you have – he was the first person to ask the question.

00:30:38.160 So he gave his answer, which is a real answer.

00:30:41.480 I mean, you want to talk about adversity.

00:30:42.900 Well, there you go. 0.96

00:30:44.240 Everybody else's answers were pathetically embarrassing. 0.89

00:30:47.460 By contrast.

00:30:49.220 But it's a reminder that no matter how you feel about Biden – and I don't like him –

00:30:54.680 but he has nonetheless gone through the most painful thing any human can possibly endure.

00:31:01.140 And every time I see Biden in one of these debates, I always think about that.

00:31:04.240 He's gone through the most painful thing anyone can go through.

00:31:07.640 Twice.

00:31:08.940 Twice.

00:31:09.920 Twice he's gone through it.

00:31:11.120 And he managed to keep moving.

00:31:13.840 He managed to at least pick himself up and move on.

00:31:18.780 And that counts for something.

00:31:19.960 I don't think I could do it.

00:31:21.880 I don't think I could keep living.

00:31:23.400 God forbid I lose my wife and child in a car accident.

00:31:31.120 I don't think I'd want to be on this planet anymore.

00:31:33.960 And certainly I wouldn't be able to function at any level anymore in society.

00:31:40.240 Or at the very minimum.

00:31:41.620 It would take me years to be able to do that.

00:31:43.240 But Biden has marched on, and I admire that on a human level.

00:31:50.720 I wouldn't be human if I couldn't admire that.

00:31:54.460 I made this point on Twitter, and of course there were sociopaths responding with,

00:31:59.960 ah, it's nothing special.

00:32:01.400 What are you doing giving Biden credit?

00:32:03.020 I mean, come on.

00:32:03.780 Let's be human beings.

00:32:05.760 You go through something like that, that is, as I said, pretty much the worst thing that

00:32:11.320 could happen to a person.

00:32:12.120 Not pretty much.

00:32:12.680 That is the worst thing that can happen to a person, to lose a child and a spouse,

00:32:18.680 and then have it happen again.

00:32:23.280 And that's all the more reason why I think the guy should really just drop out and go

00:32:27.540 home and be with his family and enjoy his remaining years.

00:32:31.580 He doesn't need this.

00:32:32.800 There's no reason for it.

00:32:34.600 And I find it sad all around.

00:32:37.560 I really do.

00:32:38.920 All right.

00:32:39.860 MattWallShow at gmail.com.

00:32:41.360 MattWallShow at gmail.com is the email address.

00:32:44.420 This is from Adam.

00:32:48.000 It says, hey, Matt, I agree with your take on the proposed e-cig ban, even though I think 0.91

00:32:51.960 vaping is a dumb thing to do.

00:32:53.480 I also want to comment on what you said concerning your own habits of cigar smoking and drinking. 0.99

00:32:57.520 You said you don't mind having a few years of your life shaved off from these habits.

00:33:00.580 I totally get where you're coming from.

00:33:02.240 But you should also take quality of life into consideration, not just quantity.

00:33:05.960 I work in health care on a daily basis.

00:33:07.500 I see people with poor life quality caused from poor choices, especially those who have

00:33:11.680 long smoking histories.

00:33:13.080 They have low energy, frequently are short of breath, and often have to carry O2 tanks

00:33:17.420 around everywhere they go.

00:33:18.520 It doesn't look fun.

00:33:19.660 I think most of us have room for improvement when it comes to taking care of our bodies.

00:33:22.540 I know I do.

00:33:23.500 The more we take care of ourselves, the more fulfilling our lives can be.

00:33:26.120 That's my two cents on the matter.

00:33:27.280 Keep up the good work.

00:33:28.240 Yeah, well, that's certainly true.

00:33:30.200 And that's why I say that the luxuries in life, whether it's alcohol or smoking an occasional

00:33:37.600 cigar or having chocolate cake, whatever it is, and we all have things like that we enjoy,

00:33:43.680 I think you got to do it in moderation, of course.

00:33:45.900 But the point is, and if you don't do it in moderation, then as you say, not only are you

00:33:51.840 going to die sooner, but your life leading up to death is eventually going to become absolutely

00:33:57.420 miserable because of the choices you've made.

00:34:00.040 And so that's no way to have a healthy, happy, and fulfilling life.

00:34:05.200 I guess my point only is that you could say, well, listen, yeah, you could have a chocolate

00:34:14.620 cake, have a piece of chocolate cake every once in a while, and it's not going to kill

00:34:18.760 you, or have a drink in moderation, it's not going to kill you, but you'd probably live

00:34:25.520 longer if you didn't do that stuff at all.

00:34:27.260 So from a health perspective, there really is no health benefit to any of that.

00:34:32.560 Arguably, maybe with alcohol, in very small doses, maybe there is, depending on what study

00:34:37.260 you listen to, but probably overall, with all of those things, whether it's junk food or

00:34:43.520 tobacco or alcohol, probably you'll live longer if you just don't touch it at all.

00:34:47.520 And that's where I say, yeah, maybe that's true, but it also brings you a little bit of

00:34:54.800 joy, a little bit of happiness.

00:34:55.920 It helps you relax a little bit.

00:34:57.440 And so to give all that up your whole life, just attack on a few more years at the end,

00:35:02.600 I don't see how that trade is worth it.

00:35:06.760 Although, yes, the trade of, I'm going to do this in moderation so that I don't die at

00:35:12.260 the age of 50, that trade is definitely worth it.

00:35:16.420 All right, this is from Jenny, says, Dear Matt, I wanted to weigh in on the question of human

00:35:19.580 suffering.

00:35:20.100 You had mentioned that it's hard to understand why God doesn't just remove the suffering of

00:35:23.100 innocent children or suffering caused by natural disaster.

00:35:27.740 I am a Christian, and I believe that God does end the suffering for us, either through some

00:35:31.160 sort of temporary relief and eventually through our death.

00:35:33.940 It's difficult to understand because we want suffering to end immediately.

00:35:36.540 We may suffer for a maximum of 80 to 100 years if you have a very bad life and suffer the

00:35:41.060 entire time.

00:35:42.260 But since we have immortal souls, if we only suffer for 80 to 100 years at an absolute maximum,

00:35:46.840 what is 80 to 100 years is a percentage of eternity.

00:35:49.280 My point is that those who are saved will have their suffering removed immediately as compared

00:35:53.160 to the timeline of eternity.

00:35:55.860 A lot of math, heavy subjects, but to lighten it up, I really enjoy your show.

00:35:59.740 Thanks for the work.

00:36:01.120 Thanks for your work.

00:36:02.220 Well, Jenny, the point you raised, and I got several other emails making a similar point as

00:36:06.240 we were talking about the problem of suffering yesterday on the show, and I said that I do

00:36:12.600 find it to be a profound problem that is not easily answered, and I don't think can be

00:36:21.440 debunked by Christians. 0.99

00:36:22.960 I don't think there's an answer we can give when we say, well, that problem's done.

00:36:25.960 We came up with an answer for it.

00:36:27.960 The point you raised is a good one, and I don't disagree with it, but I think it doesn't

00:36:33.140 quite answer the problem of suffering.

00:36:35.260 It's part of an answer.

00:36:38.540 It's part of the picture, certainly.

00:36:41.040 It's relevant, obviously, but it isn't enough to diffuse the question entirely, in my view.

00:36:46.900 And I'll tell you why.

00:36:48.220 First of all, if you're meeting this challenge from an atheist, and generally when someone

00:36:53.380 raises the problem of suffering in a debate context, that's going to be someone who's an 0.99

00:37:01.380 atheist, and they're giving one of the reasons why they don't believe in God, where they

00:37:04.660 say there's a lot of suffering in the world, a loving God wouldn't allow this.

00:37:07.920 That's their argument.

00:37:09.300 Now, I think there are various different ways to address it, even if it can't be answered

00:37:14.780 100% completely.

00:37:17.460 But I think in that context, bringing up heaven isn't going to work because they don't believe

00:37:22.680 in heaven.

00:37:23.140 So in order for that answer to work, you first have to prove the existence of heaven, which

00:37:27.980 in and of itself is a tall order.

00:37:29.960 And so that's the first thing to keep in mind.

00:37:32.280 Now, second, talking as two Christians, I think the answer, the heaven answer, still leaves 0.93

00:37:39.080 something to be desired, because for one thing, not everybody goes to heaven, right?

00:37:45.140 So some people will go on to eternal suffering.

00:37:49.480 So what about the people who suffer immeasurably in life and then go on to suffer immeasurably

00:37:55.040 in the afterlife?

00:37:57.400 Okay, so I think bringing the afterlife into this question really only makes the problem

00:38:02.400 of suffering more pronounced.

00:38:03.960 It really adds to the problem of suffering, where, yeah, some people are going to heaven,

00:38:09.600 but not everybody is.

00:38:11.560 And so what about the life of misery and suffering for people who don't go?

00:38:15.860 It's just misery and suffering the whole time, forever.

00:38:19.880 And so I think in a way, you've added another layer to the problem of suffering, and a more

00:38:25.380 even difficult layer, I would say.

00:38:28.120 But even in the case of someone, so, but let's put, okay, let's put that to the side.

00:38:33.960 And let's put to the side, if you're having this conversation with an atheist, let's talk 0.99

00:38:40.380 for a minute about someone who suffers greatly here, but then does go on to heaven.

00:38:46.240 Okay.

00:38:47.480 Well, certainly, it will have been worth it in the end.

00:38:50.340 I think we would all agree.

00:38:52.100 But that still doesn't quite tell us why God doesn't, for example, make children impervious

00:38:59.000 to cancer, as he obviously could do, being all-powerful.

00:39:02.640 So think about it.

00:39:04.480 If your child is in pain, if your child is hurting, is suffering, are you going to say,

00:39:10.780 well, it's okay that my child's in pain today because we're going to an amusement park tomorrow

00:39:14.860 and they're going to have a lot of fun and forget all about this?

00:39:17.540 Now, that's true, of course.

00:39:18.920 He will forget all about it.

00:39:20.640 That's the thing about kids.

00:39:21.620 They get very wrapped up in their emotions and they get very wrapped up in the moment for

00:39:25.360 good and bad.

00:39:26.340 And they can act like they're completely traumatized by something.

00:39:31.600 Like if you told them they can't have a snack and they break down in tears and melt down,

00:39:35.740 30 seconds later, they're over it.

00:39:37.760 And so let's say your kid is really in pain or really suffering in his way over something.

00:39:43.140 Um, are you going to say that doesn't matter because I know he'll be over it soon?

00:39:49.200 Probably not.

00:39:50.460 You still take his pain in the moment seriously.

00:39:53.140 And if you could stop it, I imagine you would.

00:39:57.260 If you had the ability to snap your fingers and make it go away, make the pain go away,

00:40:03.440 make the suffering go away, you would.

00:40:05.520 You probably wouldn't say, nah, let's just wait for tomorrow.

00:40:08.540 He'll be fine by then.

00:40:10.120 I'll give you an example.

00:40:11.340 My, um, my son, when he was about two years old, well, maybe about a year and a half,

00:40:15.900 he, uh, he fractured his leg on, uh, on the playground and he was in a lot of pain as,

00:40:21.300 as you can imagine.

00:40:22.920 I've gone through that myself recently and it's very painful.

00:40:27.140 And we didn't realize at first what had happened to him because he was, he was, he couldn't

00:40:30.360 tell us.

00:40:30.820 He wasn't, he wasn't old enough yet to tell us.

00:40:32.600 And, uh, all we knew is he, he came down a slide and he started crying and we picked him

00:40:37.420 up and he was crying.

00:40:38.020 My wife put him down for a second to try to talk to him, not knowing he hurt his leg.

00:40:43.040 And then he, he screams out in, in pain and starts limping.

00:40:47.280 And of course my wife immediately scoops him up again. 0.97

00:40:50.020 Um, it was a temporary pain and he's over it by now.

00:40:54.900 That was a year and a half ago.

00:40:56.720 Doesn't even remember it.

00:40:57.800 I imagine, but I still think back to it sometimes.

00:41:01.060 And it still kind of hurts my heart as a parent, um, thinking of that little guy in so much

00:41:06.400 pain, uh, and so unable to understand why he was hurting or, or when it would stop or

00:41:13.580 if it would stop.

00:41:14.500 That's the thing about really little kids when they're very sick or they're in pain or

00:41:19.120 they're scared or whatever, that's what makes it, that's what really gets you as a parent

00:41:23.700 when you see your little children suffering is that it's the confusion that comes with

00:41:29.480 it where they, they, they don't understand.

00:41:31.580 And you could try to talk to them and say, it's, it's going to be okay.

00:41:34.580 You're, you know, it'll feel better.

00:41:36.100 They don't know that.

00:41:37.820 And so in the moment, um, for them, they think it's, it's going to be like this the

00:41:42.620 rest of their life.

00:41:43.260 They have no idea now.

00:41:45.940 Um, but with my son, with his leg injury, I knew that he would get over.

00:41:50.000 I knew that he would recover.

00:41:51.120 We'd take him to the doctor.

00:41:52.200 He'd wear the cast and eventually, you know, uh, uh, he would be over it and he wouldn't

00:41:58.120 even remember it.

00:41:58.820 I knew that.

00:42:00.020 But if I had a magic button, I could press that would have made that pain.

00:42:05.800 Go away.

00:42:07.200 I would have pressed it.

00:42:09.280 Of course I would.

00:42:10.360 I wouldn't have said, I wouldn't have said, well, why press the button?

00:42:13.000 He'll be fine in a few weeks.

00:42:14.900 Of course I'd push it.

00:42:16.480 I mean, what kind of parent would I be if I, if I didn't, I love my child.

00:42:19.440 I don't want him to suffer and be in pain like that.

00:42:21.680 So I would take it away if I could.

00:42:23.160 In fact, if I could push a button that would transfer the pain in his leg to my leg, I would

00:42:28.520 have pushed it in a heartbeat without question.

00:42:30.540 Definitely.

00:42:30.820 So that's why heaven doesn't quite answer the problem of suffering because, um, if even

00:42:38.820 if the pain and suffering is temporary, it's still real.

00:42:42.040 And see, that's the other problem.

00:42:43.120 That's why I'm, I'm sometimes uncomfortable with people saying, well, you know, you go

00:42:46.420 to heaven.

00:42:47.340 It has a way.

00:42:48.860 I know, I know you didn't mean it this way, but it, it, it has, it has a, the effect

00:42:53.980 of being dismissive of earthly pain and suffering and saying, eh, it doesn't really matter.

00:42:59.620 It does matter.

00:43:00.680 It's real.

00:43:01.680 People are going through it.

00:43:02.940 It's real and it matters.

00:43:05.040 Um, and why do children need to get cancer just because there's heaven?

00:43:10.620 Okay.

00:43:11.060 You would never say of your own child, you know, you're getting a treat tomorrow.

00:43:14.160 Therefore, you must suffer immensely today.

00:43:16.780 You would never say that about your own kid.

00:43:18.700 So, um, that's all to say that I think the problem of suffering remains, you know, I don't

00:43:30.480 understand.

00:43:32.080 Yeah.

00:43:32.640 I understand that there's heaven.

00:43:33.760 I understand that when you're in heaven, you're not thinking anymore about, about those bad

00:43:38.840 things, but why do especially little kids have to suffer in that way just because there's

00:43:45.280 heaven?

00:43:45.420 Why can't they just have joy and happiness the whole time?

00:43:49.420 Um, I don't understand that now.

00:43:53.960 I'm just being honest.

00:43:54.740 Maybe I'm being a little too honest, but I don't understand it.

00:43:57.700 I don't have the, the answer for that.

00:44:00.360 Um, I don't understand why God doesn't take the pain away from those children right now.

00:44:06.160 Um, I wish he would, I would, but I'm not God.

00:44:11.900 So I have to have faith that there's a reason that, um, that there's, there is some answer

00:44:21.200 out there that I just don't understand.

00:44:23.860 And, and I don't think any of us understand.

00:44:25.840 I don't think anyone on earth understands it because, because I've never heard a person

00:44:30.500 give an answer that was completely sufficient, which tells me that none of us fully understand

00:44:36.180 it.

00:44:36.360 And I know it's, see, it's really uncomfortable for us as Christians to admit when we don't

00:44:44.800 understand something.

00:44:46.960 Um, and when we don't have an answer for something, we don't like to admit it.

00:44:51.860 And we, we always want to, to, to have, to pretend that we have an answer at least, but

00:45:00.200 I think we have to be okay with not, with not knowing and with not having the answer.

00:45:04.560 I think we need to be okay with that.

00:45:07.840 And I think it's okay to say, I really don't get this and it troubles me.

00:45:13.940 That's okay too, because that's real.

00:45:16.140 That's just, we're human beings.

00:45:17.340 We're trying to sort through this.

00:45:18.480 And so when you see a child suffering and, and you feel angry and you feel, you feel

00:45:23.780 helpless and you say, God, why don't you stop this?

00:45:26.740 I mean, that's, that's just that we, that's how we should react.

00:45:30.060 That's how God wants us to react.

00:45:31.540 That's just, that's a reaction of love.

00:45:33.220 It's because we love those children and we don't want to see them in pain.

00:45:36.260 And so I think God can take that sort of question, even the anger we have.

00:45:39.860 And I, I admit, I have that anger sometimes at God where I say, what, you know, when I see

00:45:43.800 a story about a four-year-old child, the one I talked about yesterday, four-year-old child

00:45:47.540 hunched over a toilet, vomiting from his chemotherapy treatments.

00:45:52.300 And yeah, you know, when I saw that, I felt some anger at God.

00:45:55.000 I felt like, why, why don't you, you have the magic button.

00:45:57.800 Why don't you press it?

00:45:59.080 But I think that God can handle that anger.

00:46:02.680 And I would even say that I think maybe he wants us to have some anger because where does

00:46:10.500 the anger come from?

00:46:11.220 It comes from love for the child and a desire for joy for not just ourselves, but for others.

00:46:21.860 And that's where it comes from.

00:46:22.940 It comes from a good place.

00:46:24.120 And so I think, I think, far be it for me to say, but I think God is okay with that.

00:46:31.660 All right.

00:46:32.620 So that got, that got really heavy there at the end.

00:46:34.800 We will, we'll leave it there.

00:46:36.380 But I, but I appreciate all the emails, by the way.

00:46:37.940 I got a lot of emails on this and all of them very interesting.

00:46:41.000 And, and so I, you know, I think it's good that we're talking about this and trying to

00:46:44.940 work through it.

00:46:46.900 Have a great weekend, everybody.

00:46:48.360 I'm taking my, my son to, to his first Ravens game on Sunday.

00:46:51.100 So I'm pretty excited about that.

00:46:52.400 I hope you have plans as well.

00:46:54.020 And I'll talk to you on Monday.

00:46:55.800 Godspeed.

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The Matt Walsh Show - September 13, 2019

Ep. 331 - The Most Embarrassing Debate Yet

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