Ep. 336 - The Religion Of Environmentalism
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The Area 51 raid that never was turns into a music festival. And a climate strike against climate change. Today's episode is brought to you by ExpressVPN, a VPN service that encrypts and anonymizes your data so you can keep it secure.
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So today was the day that the captive aliens at Area 51 have been waiting for and pining for.
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The Storm Area 51 event, which I'm sure you heard about.
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The raid on Area 51 organized on Facebook was kicked off today, or was supposed to kick off today.
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They're just hanging out in the desert, drinking beer, listening to music.
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Like, this mission, this righteous mission to rescue the captive aliens has turned into a festival.
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Imagine being an alien prisoner at Area 51, and you hear about this raid.
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You hear about it from the scuttlebutt from the other prisoners.
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Maybe you heard about it from Rorg and Snorg in the prison cafeteria at Area 51.
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And now you feel like you're finally going to be free again.
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You start dreaming of being home on your planet.
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You start excitedly planning your revenge invasion back on Earth to enslave and kill mankind for what they did to you.
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And you're just thinking about, you know, finally returning home to Neptune, and you're smiling again for the first time in years.
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And then the day arrives, and, you know, you look out from your cell, and you're expecting an army of people.
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And all you see are a ragtag bunch of scrawny white boys standing around in the desert tweeting memes and laughing.
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And then the Area 51 scientist comes and says, it's time, and they cart you away to the hospital ward to harvest your organs while you're still alive.
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And the last thing you see is your own spleen being removed from your body.
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That took a really dark turn at the end there, so I apologize for that.
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Things got way more serious at the end than they needed to be.
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But the point is that the Area 51 raid was sadly a huge, huge disappointment.
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Okay, well, a lot to discuss today besides the Area 51 raid that never was.
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Okay, well, there's something else going on today aside from the Area 51 raid turned festival, and that is a climate strike.
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We are saying to the climate, you stop it, climate.
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I personally, I am not going to associate with the climate.
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I am not going to be in the climate until the temperature drops by 20 degrees.
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I think what mainly it apparently involves is a bunch of kids skipping school.
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I love it when we have protests like this because kids all across the country, you know, it seems like every year there's a reason for some sort of school walkout or whatever.
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And you've got this thing where kids all across the country, across the world, they're ditching class.
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And then everyone says, wow, the kids must really care about this issue.
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Or maybe they just hate school and they're looking for any reason to walk out.
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But I can remember when I was in school, I can remember a couple of occasions when we did a school walkout.
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I just knew people were walking out for some reason.
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At least for that period of time, for that day, I was marching alongside those people for whatever reason to whatever effect.
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The point is, the headline for me is, I get out of school.
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And I think that's the way it is for most kids.
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Um, but on the, on the sort of darker side of things, the fact is that a lot of people, kids included, and adults, um, are being sucked into what is essentially now, uh, a doomsday cult.
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Now, just to give you an example, let me read a very disturbing, uh, see if I can find it, uh, very disturbing thread from a guy named Alex McKinnon, who's a writer out of Sydney.
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Um, uh, not, not a grade school student, as far as I know, but let me read this thread that he put up this morning.
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Um, verified account, by the way, on Twitter, he's got the blue check marks.
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He said, since the federal election, I've been overwhelmed by feelings of dread, grief, and terror of what a heating planet will mean for my life, the ones I love, and our collective future.
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For months, getting out of bed has been atrociously difficult.
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Any thought of the future's terrifying implications and what they will mean for the later years of my life has sent me spiraling.
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I started on medication, all of which has helped, but none of which has solved the cause of the existential horror I feel when I look the future in the face.
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I have bawled my eyes out and screamed into pillows and felt a panic so intense it seemed impossible it could be contained in a small human frame.
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I can't say that the climate strikes have made those feelings go away.
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We are always signed up for too much climate atrocity and are too likely to cause more for a single protest to make the situation entirely better.
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But to see tens of thousands of people all grappling with the same trauma and hurt and gut-wrenching fear, the single biggest protest I've ever seen in my life made my own little battle a little bit easier for a while.
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Now, we are all headed for a future demonstrably worse than the present in ways we cannot predict.
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The world will be brutal and horrific and beyond endurance, but I will help you through it in any way that I can.
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Now that I'm reading it all the way through, this guy can't be serious.
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And I can't even, I mean, I can't even laugh about it.
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I can sort of laugh about it, but I can't fully laugh about it because this is, I mean, this is, this is a doomsday cult.
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This is, this is like, this, that's not an exaggeration at this point.
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Now, to some of us, to those of us who are a little bit more balanced, we can laugh this off, but there are people, I guess, when you, when you've got prominent individuals like AOC and pretty much any Democrat and liberals across the world and the country, when they're insisting and saying over and over again, the world's going, you know, coming to an end.
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It's going to end in 12 years and, you know, there's all these coastal cities are going to be underwater.
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It's like, there are people who hear this stuff and they really take it seriously.
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The walkouts today, then things like the climate confessions on NBC.com, which we talked about yesterday, gave you a chance to anonymously confess your sins against the climate.
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And then there was the confessions to actual plants at a liberal seminary that we, seminary that we talked about the day before yesterday and on and on and on.
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It's very clear that, you know, I, I, I called a doomsday cult.
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Cult is, you know, religions are technically cults.
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And I say that as someone who's a member of religion myself, that's the word cult has taken on this, this pejorative meaning.
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And, but, um, in a broader sense, you know, in a broader, less pejorative way, you know, religions and cults are, are, are synonymous.
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So you could call it a doomsday religion, a doomsday environmentalist religion.
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It has its high priests and priest, priestesses, AOC being one of them.
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Thunberg, um, it, in every sense, this, this is a religion.
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This, I think, speaks to a certain truth, which is that apparently, it would seem, religion
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actually is a basic need that we have as human beings.
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The West, the West is by far the least religious civilization in the history of the world, but
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Um, and only if you're, if you're believing, if you are looking at the, the polls and the
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surveys and saying, how, how many people are unaffiliated with any religion?
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Well, there are more unaffiliated people, uh, today than there have been at any other
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But if you look a little bit closer and you don't even have to look that close, you see
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that the religious instinct has just manifested itself in a slightly different way.
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They're just affiliated now with a different religion and one that we don't call a religion,
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Now, it would seem that there is a, a fundamental need here.
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And if you're an atheist, you can claim that the fundamental need for religion, the instinct,
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whatever you want to call it, you could say that it's evolutionary, it's psychology, it's
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psychological, um, whatever, uh, not proof of a God.
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If you're a theist, you say that the fundamental need speaks to an innate sense of, uh, uh, an
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innate knowledge of, an innate longing for the divine.
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I'm not going to get into that debate, though you know where I stand on it, but that's, that's
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My point is simply that the need is clearly there for religion and environmentalism fills
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And it's not a coincidence that as we go on, it, it begins to more and more resemble religion
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and it takes on more and more of the characteristics of religion.
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This repentance stuff that we see two of these things in the same week, we're now, now that
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this confessional aspect of it is, uh, to me, that was kind of like the last piece that
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And now we've got it and okay, so it's, it's a religion.
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You've got Christianity, Judaism, Islam, you know, Hinduism, environmentalism, right?
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Um, I've been meaning to mention this, uh, for a few days, a restaurant in Baltimore is
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being accused of racism and this is going to shock you.
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If you can believe it, a frivolous claim of racism, that doesn't sound like the culture
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So reading now from the daily wire says, um, a soon to be opened restaurant in Baltimore
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is being called racist because it posted a sign with one specific message.
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Um, the chop tank, which alerted prospective customers that it will be opening soon on
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its website, posted a dress code listing some items that would be unacceptable to wear on
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its purposes, including excessively baggy clothing, offensive, vulgar, or inappropriate
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attire, athletic attire, jerseys, brimless headgear, backwards or sideways hats, work and construction
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Um, on Twitter, uh, one Twitter user described themselves as a photo journalist tweeted dress
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coded sign at the new chop tank restaurant in fells followed by another tweet.
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Uh, and then from there, the controversy starts, uh, one Twitter user said, this is racist as
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I will never enter your restaurant and will actively warn others away from it.
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Um, someone else said y'all could have saved yourself some time at the chop tank and just
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A writer from L magazine tweeted that the restaurant had a blatantly discriminatory dress code.
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And the Washington post is writing about it on and on and on.
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One of those cases, um, where the people calling it racist, and this happens a lot where the
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people who call something racist have revealed themselves to be racist because if you read
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that list and you think, oh, that's going to disqualify all black people, how is that not
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Are, are you just, is that not engaging in, in, uh, in, uh, insulting stereotypes?
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No, this is a dress code that is put forward for everybody.
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Like for instance, um, one of the reasons why establishments don't like really baggy clothing,
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especially in the city is because you can hide stuff in it like a gun, for instance.
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Um, they don't want vulgar attire where, well, that's that most, most places don't want that
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because that offends other customers and you don't want to offend paying customers.
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Well, again, that's, that's just, if, if you're trying to be a slightly nicer kind of restaurant,
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maybe one step up from Burger King or Subway, then you don't want people walking in, in,
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Again, this is just, this, and that's, that's another thing.
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If you go into a bank, it's going to say, don't wear sunglasses and hats in the bank.
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No, they're just because you might be trying to rob the place.
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Um, so to look at that list and say that it's discriminates against that to me seems
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I think that a, a dress code like that seems to me to be completely reasonable.
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No matter what your race happens to be, anyone of any race is perfectly capable of complying
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And, uh, and it should really be as simple as that.
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I've also been, I've also been wanting to talk about something else and I can't let
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the week, uh, end without, without bringing this up.
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Well, I don't really have to talk about it, but I will anyway.
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The New York times a few days ago ran a story and.
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And okay, well, here's the headline of the story.
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Um, in fact, here's the, here's the screenshot of the, of the headline there.
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So just so you can see, this was published in the New York times and it's an article
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all about, well, I, you can tell what it's about.
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Uh, it's kind of self-explanatory and this is, this is something I talk about a lot.
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Um, not women pooping, but, but, uh, but, but rather feminists finding the weirdest ways
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to be persecuted, just the weirdest feminists who are so desperate to be victims and so desperate
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to be persecuted, that they, they go searching for it and they find it in the weirdest places.
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Um, and they find the weirdest claims about discrimination that they face.
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Like whoever told women that they can't go number two at work.
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I've never heard anyone say that, or I just is, I don't think that's a thing.
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Um, are, are there jobs where they say, where like you walk into the bathroom and there's
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a, there is a gendered code telling you what you're allowed to do in the bathroom.
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Like men can go number one and two women can only go number one.
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Are there, are there places, are there jobs that have rules like that?
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I will, I will march with a feminist in that case and say, no, men and women, uh, should
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be allowed to, you know, use the toilet at, at, at work.
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The real story here is the picture accompanying this article.
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This to me is, is utterly mysterious, but I want to show you this picture.
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This is the picture that went along with the headline.
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And as you can see there, okay, what it just makes me, it really makes me wonder the, the
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woman who wrote this article, she obviously has had some very specific experiences at
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her job, which I don't know if she works in the New York times or if this was, or what?
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Um, uh, but there are weird things happening in her bathroom at her work that I don't think
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So look, okay, you've got a woman with her shoes off in the bathroom and her bare feet
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And then you've got, that appears to be, I don't, you know, I, I, I don't want to be
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transphobic, but that appears to be a man in that one.
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I mean, it's someone with pants they're facing in the other direction.
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And then you've got two women in the stall next to him.
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What in the world is happening in this bathroom?
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So the real headline of the story is very weird stuff happening in New York times bathroom.
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If you go to New York times, do not use their bathroom under any, so apparently if you're
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a woman, you're not allowed to, or I guess you can, but maybe they have to do two and
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Maybe the New York times, um, to save space, they make women share stalls and that's why
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Anyway, I don't want to get too graphic with it, but this is, uh, just completely bizarre
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Um, we'll go to emails, mattwalshow at gmail.com, mattwalshow at gmail.com.
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This is from Kevin says, Hey Matt, I read your article on the daily wire about prime minister
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Justin Trudeau wearing blackface and how we should apply the left standards to them.
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Um, I know that this is something that a lot of conservatives struggle with their insistence,
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um, that, uh, uh, lost my place that conservatives should not jump into the, the mire of leftist
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While I agree that the left should be called out, uh, for their blatant and unwavering
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hypocrisy for what they did to Megan Kelly and treating Trudeau and Ralph Northam with
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I believe that we should not attack Trudeau and look at the totality of the circumstances.
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While I don't agree with many of Trudeau's policies, the man does not deserve to be destroyed
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for something for doing something ignorant and stupid.
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This is the best tactic and, uh, we should not engage in leftist attack strategies.
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Well, this is what we've been talking about over the last few days.
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And, and I agree it is, uh, I've been wrestling with this as well.
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Uh, we, we accuse the left of having a double standard.
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We don't want to ourselves have a double standard.
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So if we say in principle that we don't think that people should be destroyed or fired
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or canceled over dumb things they said or did 20 years ago or 30 years ago, whatever,
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um, then how can we all of a sudden abandon that argument when it's a leftist who's got
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And that's where I tried to thread the needle yesterday.
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And, and, and the way that I kind of look at this is, yeah, we don't want to be disingenuous.
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So we don't, when it comes to the Trudeau blackface thing, I think any, any rational,
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And, and we know that objectively speaking, not a big deal.
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And so we shouldn't be disingenuous and go around pretending that we really think it's racist.
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Unless we're doing it ironically as a joke, in which case, go ahead.
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Um, but I do think, as I said yesterday, we, this from our, with this kind of thing,
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our point should be, okay, this is not a racism scandal.
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So it's the same thing with the New York times editor who, who was, who herself has participated
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in cancel culture, tried retweeting things, calling for Shane Gillis to be far from SNL.
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Then it turns out that she has all these offensive tweets, uh, where she has said offensive things
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about gay people and people of other races and so on.
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Well, our response to that is not that, oh, this person is, is a horrible bigot and, and,
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and, and all of that, but it's just, this is hypocrisy.
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And so I think there's nothing wrong with us saying, okay, you forget about the standards
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You should hold yourself to the same standard that you hold other people to.
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I think that that's a perfectly fine, perfectly consistent message that is an intellectually
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honest way of, of, of, of approaching this from our perfect perspective, where we are
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saying to these people like Justin Trudeau, hold yourself to the standard that you hold
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Think about what the left says to socially conservative Christian Republican politicians
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who end up in scandals where they're having affairs, Larry Craig in the bathroom, soliciting
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Their message is, hey, you know, we don't think this kind of stuff's a huge deal.
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Uh, but you're the ones that you're the one putting yourself forward as this conservative
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Christian family values, Christian values, so on and so forth.
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So hold yourself to the same standard that, that, you know, live up to your own standards.
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You're the ones who say that this is a horrible, evil thing.
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The collapse of, uh, of, of, of morality and everything else.
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By your own standards, you should resign in disgrace because that's what you would expect
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other people to do who have done the same things.
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Well, I think we can take that and throw that back at them here and say, well,
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We're not the ones going around saying that everything is racist.
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We aren't the ones saying that if, you know, somebody said it makes a joke five years ago,
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This is from, uh, Sam says, hi, Matt, long time listener, big time fan.
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I'm well aware of your opinions on issues such as people facing FaceTiming in public,
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people sitting next to you on planes when other, when other seats are open, et cetera.
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I would like to know your thoughts on when you were using a urinal in a public restroom
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and someone comes in and decides to urinate right next to you when other urinals, urinals
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I guess we're talking a lot about bathrooms today.
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I didn't plan it that way, but that's the way it's turned out.
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I think the death penalty in those cases, you could make an argument for it.
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I think, I think as a society, as a country, we need to have a national conversation about
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You're there's all of them are free except for the one you're using.
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Someone comes in, uses the one we're next to you.
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You could make an argument for not only criminalizing that behavior, but, um, making it, you know,
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considering at least capital punishment in those cases.
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We could talk more about that, but I think, uh, there's certainly a rational argument
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Finally, this is from Addison says, uh, dear, he who must not be shaved as a fellow lay theologian.
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I commend you for continuing the tradition of maintaining your beard.
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Anybody who attempts such deep discussions without facial hair should automatically be
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Speaking of theology, I've stumbled upon a rather unique discussion in my studies.
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Many years ago, somebody introduced me to a documentary titled Divided.
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The filmmaker, Philip Leclerc, L-E-C-L-E-R-C, asks a very important question.
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Why are the youth in our churches falling away in such terrible droves?
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If I'm not mistaken, I believe the current statistics range between the high 80s and
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That is a staggering number, one of great concern, obviously.
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But his diagnosis of the illness is even more bizarre.
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Rather than blaming it on lack of discipleship, sugar-coating preaching, or the absence of
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apologetics, he more or less points the finger towards the institution of youth ministry.
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Premise one, there is no such thing as a youth pastor in the Bible.
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Premise two, the Bible teaches family integration, not separation in the context of worship.
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Conclusion, therefore, youth ministry is outside the will of God.
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Now, I don't want to strawman his argument, so I'll grant that maybe he doesn't hold to
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the first premise as strongly as the second premise.
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Regardless, he and several others strongly support the second premise and cite various
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The idea is that parents have to be involved in the discipleship process or else the children
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will most likely fall away during high school and beyond.
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The more committed the parents are, the more committed the children will be.
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Therefore, youth ministry is not part of God's plan because of wedges children from their
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Children look to youth pastors as fathers and in most cases just play games and flirt.
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In rare instances, the youth pastor actually disciples, but even this is dangerous because
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it fails to recognize the family as a God-ordained institution and Rob's parents have the love
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Church should be the place where they grow together, not separate.
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I'm reading this like I'm Ben Shapiro over here.
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I obviously disagree with the first premise because many things are not specifically mentioned
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Also, it errs on the side of legalism when we get wrapped up in condemning things that
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As for the second premise, I'm not entirely sure.
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To be honest, in one sense, I do agree that it would be ideal to encourage parents to have
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their children sit with them in church services.
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On the other hand, should we be so quick to dismiss a ministry that may indeed harvest young
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Would this categorize under unnecessary dividing the body over trivial issues, or is this a rather
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a discussion that needs to take place and receive our consideration?
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All right, Addison, I think you raised a lot of interesting points, which is why I wanted
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Hopefully people could understand what you had to say.
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And of course, the question of why are so many people leaving the church?
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That is one of the most important questions we can be asking now as a church, as a body
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If we're looking at 80 or 90% of kids eventually leaving the faith, then that means the church
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in America is going to be extinct in 50 years, if not sooner.
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I tend to think, I'd have to see where you got those numbers.
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I tend to think that those numbers are not exactly, maybe inflated a little bit.
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But anyway, the point is, the numbers are too high.
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As for youth ministry, first of all, not all youth ministry has to remove kids from worshiping
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That's not how it works in the Catholic church, for example.
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Well, most Catholic churches anyway, you know, you got the service, the mass, as we call
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And then you have the youth ministry, which is a separate thing, and kids will go for youth
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group meetings and youth services, and they'll do that separate.
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It's a separate thing that they'll do oftentimes on different days of the week.
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I agree that families should be together in worship, ideally.
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Doesn't always work out that way, of course, but can't always work out that way.
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But I think, ideally, that's what should be encouraged, having the families together.
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I also agree that youth ministers or youth ministries in general can sometimes be, frankly, just
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BS, a waste of time that can be very clicky, very, I suppose the word is worldly that we
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Not all the time, certainly, but they can tend that way.
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And so that's something that you got to look out for.
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I remember when I was in high school, and my parents were encouraging me to get involved
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in youth activities at the church, and I made a few attempts, and I was turned off by it
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because it just seemed like, like I said, very clicky, which I think, from talking to
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other people, that's a big problem in youth groups and youth ministries at churches, and
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But on top of that, to me, it seemed like, I don't know, everyone's just kind of hanging
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out, which is fine, I guess, if you want to hang out.
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But there should probably be more going on here than that.
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But actually, as I was thinking about your email, what I would like to do, I want to put
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all that aside for a minute and address this question of why so many kids, so many young
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Because it's a very high number, as we said, it's a big problem.
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It's something that we need to think seriously about.
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And I don't think there's one answer, but I would like to suggest an answer, one of the
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I think one of the important answers I would like to suggest.
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I think one of the reasons why a lot of people end up leaving the church, Christianity, faith
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This is, we would make a mistake to discount this factor.
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Now, I don't mean that YouTube and the internet are the devil, though, I mean, who knows, you
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could maybe argue that, but what I really mean is that at a certain point, people, Christians,
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a lot of them, start to ask difficult questions about their faith, about their belief system,
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about their history as a religion, about their theology, their books, you know.
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They start to notice things as they grow older that they didn't notice before when they were
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And they think, you know, oh, geez, well, the Genesis creation account is pretty strange
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when you look at it, especially considering what we know about science and why are there
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What really is happening here, and why is it so similar to other stories, like the
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Why isn't there, you know, when I look it up online, I see that there's hardly any archaeological
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And, you know, why does God send bears to maul 42 children?
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And wait, did God really just endorse slavery explicitly in the Bible?
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And what's with all the wholesale slaughter in the Bible?
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And the fact that there appear to be only two, you know, two infancy narratives that
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seem to really contradict each other and be two completely different stories?
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And why don't the other two Gospels even mention the virgin birth?
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And what's going on with the resurrection accounts?
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And, you know, wait a second, what is with this, the whole idea of atonement?
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You know, why did God need Jesus to die to forgive us?
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And why does God allow all these horrible things to happen, diseases and everything?
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The point is, I think people, a lot of young people at a certain point, they start to ask
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They're forced to do that in many cases because our churches, for the most part, are not addressing these problems, are not even acknowledging them, are ignoring them, are not even trying to provide answers, are not addressing these things head on.
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And what happens is that people start asking the questions that the churches have ignored and that their parents have never addressed.
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And they go online, they go to YouTube, they find things out, they learn things, they notice things, they start to feel lied to.
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They start to say, why didn't anyone ever tell me about this?
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And they start to feel like things were hidden from them and their faith completely falls apart at that point.
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And I really believe this is what's happening in so many cases.
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In fact, I know that this is what's happening because I get emails from people all the time, all the time, describing exactly this kind of process.
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You have no idea how many emails I get describing not only exactly this story, this narrative of their own life, this is how it worked for them, but asking me a lot of these questions that I just rattled off.
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And there are hundreds of others that people could ask related to religion.
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Is that because I'm some sort of genius theologian or scientist?
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But the fact that they have to come to me, of all people, to answer these questions is a reflection of the fact that the people in their lives who should be answering them or at least addressing them are not.
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They find me on YouTube and they say, let me talk to this guy because their pastor is not talking about it.
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Their religious education, you know, they went to Sunday school.
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They went to Christian school, Catholic school.
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And what I hear in emails a lot is sometimes they'll go and they'll try to talk to the pastor.
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They'll try to talk to people in their lives and ask them these questions.
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Sometimes they'll get the distinct impression the person they're talking to has no idea, hasn't even thought about this stuff before.
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I think it's so important for us to realize this because, you know, I think we need to stop looking at the problem as one of purely about, you know, shallow, self-centered millennials who want to leave Christianity so they can go and run off and sin or whatever.
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I think that, you know, maybe that's the case sometimes, but I think we make a big mistake.
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Now, it makes us feel better to look at it that way.
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Okay, we want to say that, oh, all these people leaving, I mean, they're just not as pious as I am.
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You know, they're just not as strong in their faith.
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And that's why they leave those wimps, those weaklings.
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When in reality, no, it could be in some ways the opposite.
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That they had the courage to start asking questions.
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But unfortunately, nobody was there to answer those questions.
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And unfortunately, they didn't really know where to look for the answers.
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they might tell you they left because they're disenchanted with the church,
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they had personal problems with somebody in the church,
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they'll tell you something about some of those questions