The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 337 - Environmentalists Save The Environment By Littering

00:00:00.000 Well, I hope you all had a good weekend. Everything went okay for me, save my Baltimore

00:00:05.280 Ravens losing yesterday. Though I did enjoy one thing that happened during the game.

00:00:12.740 I went to a bar with my wife to watch it because we got three kids. So if I want to watch a game,

00:00:17.520 this is the point we're at now. If I want to watch a football game, I got to hire a babysitter,

00:00:22.500 leave the house, go to a bar. Not that I'm complaining. My life is so hard I had to watch

00:00:27.840 a football game at a bar. That's how difficult my life is. Anyway, we were there. And at one point,

00:00:33.960 the Ravens marched down the field. They scored a touchdown. Not enough to win the game. But this

00:00:38.580 fan at another table, after the touchdown, he turns to someone else at the table and he goes,

00:00:44.820 see what I tell you, they need to take the ball, go down the field and score a touchdown.

00:00:50.720 And that's one of the things I enjoy about watching football is that it gives you a chance

00:00:55.240 to make insightful observations like that. And everyone does it. And I do the same thing. Actually,

00:01:00.200 at a different point during the game, the Ravens were trailing. And so I turned to my wife and I

00:01:07.460 said, we really got to put some points on the board here. And it was just, it was, you know,

00:01:13.100 because it was just, it was a moment of inspiration that came to me. And I realized, you know what we

00:01:17.520 could use? Points. That's the thing. And oftentimes the best part is when you give advice to the

00:01:23.820 players while they're playing. So a lot of times, like if a, if a player drops, you know,

00:01:29.200 wide receiver drops the ball, doesn't make the catch, I'll say something. I'll say,

00:01:32.700 oh, come on, you got to catch that. It was in your hands. And the great thing is because they

00:01:37.040 can hear that, of course. And it is also good advice because then they hear that and they say,

00:01:41.560 oh, that's, oh, catch it. You mean, that's what I'm supposed to do. So that's, um, that's,

00:01:47.060 that's, that's part of watching football. But I hope that, uh, that you're,

00:01:50.300 if you're a football fan, that it went better for you. And if you're not a football fan,

00:01:55.000 then get the hell out of the country, you communist. Speaking of communists, um, there

00:02:00.500 were a bunch of climate protesters swarming DC this morning, shutting down the morning commute,

00:02:07.200 trying to shut down DC, uh, as, as they put it, which in another context, I'm perfectly fine

00:02:15.220 with shutting down DC. I'm all about that, but not the way they went about it. Um,

00:02:21.080 but it leaves a question of what were they trying to accomplish exactly? And whatever they were trying

00:02:27.920 to accomplish, is this a reasonable way to go about it? We're going to, we're going to, we're

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00:04:12.240 when you support our sponsors. Okay. So, um, we talked last week about the climate strikes

00:04:19.200 and climate walkouts at school. Well, that that's still going on today. A group of, of hippies decided

00:04:27.020 to shut down a bunch of intersections in DC as a means to, to save the environment, I guess.

00:04:33.660 But of course, forcing a bunch of cars to idle on in the road probably isn't going to do much to

00:04:41.440 help the environment. Um, stopping global warming by causing traffic jams. That's, that's certainly a

00:04:47.400 counterintuitive way to do it. Uh, but I think, uh, I'm not sure how much it's really going to,

00:04:52.440 to accomplish. The group's Facebook page says, um, they're going to quote block key infrastructures

00:04:58.700 to stop business as usual, bringing the whole city to a gridlock standstill. Parents, workers,

00:05:04.100 college students, and everyone who's concerned about the climate crisis will skip work and school

00:05:07.660 and put off their other responsibilities to take action in the climate crisis. This is the mass

00:05:12.300 uprising that everyone with climate anxiety has been waiting for. This is an uprising for life itself,

00:05:18.320 fighting back against the forces of destruction. This is your chance to take action,

00:05:22.640 to save the people, plants, and animals you love. Let's rise to the challenge and shut down DC mass

00:05:28.640 uprising. Let's take a look at this mass uprising. Uh, here are some sights and sounds as documented by

00:05:36.140 Spectrum News. Look at this.

00:05:51.580 There you go. There you go. There is a lot of people, but it's a lot of people, but it's a lot of people,

00:06:06.120 the, uh, the mass uprising. They're going to save the planet and that's how they're doing it. They're

00:06:11.760 dancing in the street. Um, and here's a group called extinction rebellion, which sounds like the

00:06:17.060 lamest name for a nineties punk band you've ever heard, but, uh, they're not making music. They are

00:06:22.060 instead strapping themselves to a boat in the middle of the street. Again, this is to save the climate,

00:06:26.840 save the environment. Remember? Um, and, uh, and here's what that looked like after the natural

00:06:31.760 treasure that we're losing every single day. And also because it's a huge barrier.

00:06:51.760 So there you go. They're there. And, and police had to come and, uh, spend a lot of time

00:06:58.520 getting those people unstuck from the boat because they weren't going to tow the boat off of the road

00:07:06.460 without first cutting the chains to get them out. Now, I think you could make an argument.

00:07:12.200 Look, if you're going to disable a vehicle or, or, or, or tow a boat out into the middle of the highway

00:07:19.940 and then chain yourself to it, I think police would be well within the rights to just tow the thing off

00:07:26.120 the road with you attached to it. Uh, because that was your choice, right? But they weren't going to do

00:07:32.780 that. In fact, the police were, um, extremely understanding and polite and cooperative the entire

00:07:40.480 time. And this seems to be a theme with left-wing protests and we call it protest. This is, we can't,

00:07:45.980 this isn't really a protest. This is just, this is illegal is what it is to, to, to walk into the

00:07:51.640 street and shut down trap. You can't do that. That's not legal. You're not allowed to just do

00:07:55.020 that. If I went into the middle of the street, if I went out outside right now and just sat down in

00:08:01.360 the middle of the street, okay, the police would probably come and drag me off the street, if not

00:08:06.100 arrest me. But the thing with these left-wing quote unquote protests is that it seems like they're,

00:08:11.880 they're giving a ton of leeway to just do what they want and nobody gets arrested. Um,

00:08:19.300 Julio Rosas on Twitter gives us a view of, uh, just to give you an idea of the traffic and the,

00:08:26.580 the, the, uh, the gridlock that was caused by this. He gives us a view of one of the traffic

00:08:32.500 jams caused by these people. Take a look at this.

00:08:49.300 Now, if you've ever, if you've ever been to DC, which I don't recommend going, but, um, if you have

00:08:56.140 ever been, especially during rush hour, especially on a Monday of all days, you know that it's hell

00:09:01.620 on earth as it is. It is absolutely miserable. I have no idea why anyone would choose to live in a

00:09:06.880 place like DC, but that's another discussion entirely. But you take that, imagine how it goes

00:09:11.660 when it, when it's already that bad without any idiots in the street blocking traffic on purpose.

00:09:15.900 Imagine how it would be when you do have the idiots in the street blocking traffic on purpose.

00:09:21.680 Um, it's obvious of course, that most of these protesters don't have jobs. They were just

00:09:27.180 protesting last week and they, and, and the kids were skipping school last week. So now they're

00:09:32.180 skipping school again, but not all of these people are, are, are school age. As you could tell,

00:09:37.460 some of them would look like they are working age yet. They're not working.

00:09:40.560 And that's how they're able to protest four days a week. But now they're trying to stop other people

00:09:46.720 who do have jobs from getting to their jobs and making money to feed their families. And let's

00:09:50.700 remember that it's not like DC is made up only of lobbyists and bureaucrats. That is an unfortunate

00:09:56.460 percentage of DC, but there are also working class people who work, you know, in the restaurants and

00:10:03.000 in the places where those lobbyists and bureaucrats go for, for lunch or whatever else. Um, these

00:10:08.260 protesters are stopping those folks, those working class folks from getting to their jobs also.

00:10:13.280 And that's the thing about left-wing protests is that they so often betray a total contempt for the

00:10:20.340 working class because they have no compunction about shutting down traffic, about preventing people

00:10:25.140 from getting to their jobs. They don't care about that because they don't have jobs themselves because

00:10:29.940 they've got mommy and daddy taking care of them and, or they've got daddy government taking care of

00:10:34.360 them. And so there, as far as they're concerned, the rest of you can just screw off. They don't care.

00:10:38.260 It's not their problem. I really hope I, all those people who are stuck in traffic,

00:10:44.620 I hope they took note of who these people are and whose side they're on or more precisely who's on

00:10:51.560 their side because the people on their side are not on the side of, of, of the working class.

00:10:56.360 That's for sure. So let's review in order to save the environment. They're causing traffic jams.

00:11:02.540 They're, they're causing local law enforcement to waste resources. They're impeding people's abilities

00:11:06.560 to get to their jobs. Um, that's the plan here. That's the strategy. Oh, and they're littering

00:11:12.100 also on purpose. Watch this. Yes, yes, that that'll do it. Great job there. That'll save the planet.

00:11:28.960 I mean, that guy is literally prancing down the street, throwing trash on the ground. He's skipping

00:11:36.760 down the road, just throwing trash on the ground. And this is an, in a protest in favor of the

00:11:42.840 environment. And that's what he's doing. You might as well just take an aerosol can and spray it in the

00:11:48.900 air. Save the environment. Yes. You might as well just do that. It's the same exact thing. Oh,

00:11:57.920 and they're lighting trash on fire too. Look at this picture that somebody took, um, an actual

00:12:02.980 dumpster fire that was lit by these people who care so much about the environment. So, um, as with

00:12:11.800 every other left-wing protest, much of this is just an excuse for unemployed morons to dance around in the

00:12:18.500 street and feel important. That's what most of this is. They're begging for attention, um, attention,

00:12:24.720 not for the cause, but for themselves. They want attention for themselves. That's what a lot of this

00:12:30.900 is. And that's why protesting is so, um, popular these days. I don't think it's a coincidence that

00:12:41.540 we've got all these protests that, that, that it seems like, um,

00:12:45.720 now that everybody's got phones and everyone's on social media. And so everyone's also carrying a

00:12:53.620 pocket or a camera around in their pocket. It seems like now that that's the case, we've got protests

00:12:59.880 four times a week. And why is that? Because these people, they want, you know, they, they want the

00:13:04.400 opportunity for the selfie. They know they're going to be on Twitter, on social media, and that's what

00:13:10.220 they want. It's for them. It's got nothing to do with the cause. That's what it really comes down

00:13:16.880 to. And I'm not trying to be cynical about it. You know, you know me, I would never be cynical.

00:13:22.860 I'm the, that's the last thing I am. No one would ever accuse me of that. But, um, it seems to me

00:13:29.520 if you really cared about the environment, you wouldn't be blocking traffic. You wouldn't be stopping

00:13:36.900 people from getting their jobs. You wouldn't be littering. You wouldn't be dancing in the street.

00:13:42.280 All of which has nothing to do with helping the environment. And it was only going to undermine

00:13:46.600 your case, both by the, by the damage it does to the environment. And also by the fact that you're

00:13:51.680 just taking everybody off and you're, and you're making them less sympathetic to your cause.

00:13:56.800 Who, who is going to see that? If, if you're, if you're in traffic because of these people,

00:14:03.900 are you going to be more or less likely to be sympathetic to their cause?

00:14:09.460 If you didn't care that much about the environment, when you got in your car to go to work that

00:14:14.200 morning, are you going to care more about it now? Because you've got a bunch of environmentalists

00:14:18.700 in the street, stopping you from getting there. Is, is there any chance of a strategy like this

00:14:24.840 doing anything positive for the cause that it's ostensibly, um, supposed to, supposed to help?

00:14:31.500 No, of course not. Which leads me to the cynical conclusion that this isn't really about

00:14:37.880 all these protests, whether it's this or Antifa or whatever, it's not about whatever

00:14:42.580 thing they have on the, uh, on the banners and on the poster boards. It's just about them.

00:14:50.920 If you really cared about the environment, I think what you would be doing instead,

00:14:55.560 you would take a more serious and sober approach and you would be leading by example.

00:15:04.920 Now, whenever someone makes this point, and I've made this point before, and I'm always accused of

00:15:10.340 doing a, a, a kind of cheap, lame, gotcha thing, that, if you really cared about the environment

00:15:17.680 and, uh, what are you doing on your phone, wouldn't you be, but, but there's truth to that.

00:15:22.740 It's not a gotcha. If you're telling me, look, if you really believe that the world is actually

00:15:31.620 coming to an end potentially, and soon in the next few years, you really believe that.

00:15:37.680 And you really believe that what we're doing, the way that we're living is bringing about a

00:15:43.020 doomsday. Um, then wouldn't you be making radical changes in your own life and, and, and, and thereby,

00:15:55.360 number one, uh, making sure that you yourself are not contributing to the problem. And number two,

00:16:01.720 leading by example, if you think that radical changes need to be made in the way people live,

00:16:09.060 which, which, which is supposedly your message, then why aren't you making those radical changes

00:16:14.400 yourself and showing us how to do it and to, and showing us that it can be done?

00:16:20.300 Why aren't you doing that? And these environmentalists, they're not because you can

00:16:24.420 see them. They, they, they're just like anybody else. Yeah. They go to the protest and then they go

00:16:28.100 home to their normal house with their phone and all this, they got their refrigerator. They got

00:16:31.640 everything. They got their car. They're not making any changes in the way they live. It's not a gotcha

00:16:37.780 moment. Like, like with, uh, with, uh, AOC when, when, when she says, Oh, we gotta, we gotta get rid of,

00:16:42.520 uh, of airplanes and air travel because of what it's doing to the environment. And then she gets on an

00:16:46.680 airplane and she flies. And, uh, and we say, well, what are you doing flying? You just, and then,

00:16:50.840 and then the response I was, Oh, come on, don't, don't, don't do that. You're being,

00:16:54.100 don't, don't you're being pedantic. It's not pedantic. If you're saying that we, that this

00:17:01.060 is a sacrifice we need to make, then make the sacrifice show us. Yeah. It it's, it's, it would

00:17:07.820 be very difficult to, um, have a job that requires travel and not use an airplane. That is difficult,

00:17:16.480 but you're the one telling us that, well, those are difficult things we need to do. So do it and show us

00:17:23.800 so AOC could actually say, you know what? I'm not going to board a plane as difficult as that is,

00:17:29.560 as, as, as hard as it's going to make my life doing what I do, whatever that happens to be.

00:17:34.320 Um, I'm not going to do it in, in, in, I'll show people that it is possible. Yeah,

00:17:38.160 it's harder, but it's possible. It's just very striking that very few of these environmentalists

00:17:45.400 are doing that. Yeah. You know what? I mean, I think I've mentioned before I have, um,

00:17:51.760 one of my, uh, uh, you know, I, there are people very close to me who, who I, who I know in my

00:18:00.700 family who live, uh, you know, out on homesteads, um, and, and solar energy. Okay. Um, all of that

00:18:14.260 stuff, compost toilet. All right. I, people are close to me that live the way not, not because they're

00:18:21.140 environmentalist hippies, but just cause that's how they want to live. But so I know it's possible

00:18:27.160 to live that way. Why aren't more environmentalists living that way? It, it's, it's politics. It's a

00:18:34.340 sacrifice for sure. It's a, it's a, it's a very different way to live. It's possible to do. There's

00:18:40.220 a lot to be said for it. Actually, even if you're not an environmentalist, it's, I think there's a lot

00:18:43.780 to be said for it. I, I, I could definitely see the appeal. So why aren't they doing it?

00:18:50.760 I mean, for goodness sakes, 12, we got what, 12 years until the end of the world,

00:18:54.760 or at least until, until, until, until something catastrophic that will potentially be the end

00:19:02.760 of human civilization at a minimum. Um, uh, uh, then, then, then I, I just don't get it.

00:19:07.480 Yeah. I think these people that are out in the street, they really should, they should be out

00:19:14.160 living in the woods in a cabin, compost toilet, solar energy, uh, you know, uh, nuts and living

00:19:23.760 on nuts and berries like John the Baptist, locusts, locusts and wild honey. Maybe you hunt for game.

00:19:28.800 I don't know. I'm not sure if that's okay or not because of the environmentalist thing,

00:19:31.960 but, uh, whatever. I, I think that that's how they should be living. Show us,

00:19:35.980 show us how to do it and how wonderful it is and how possible it is to live that way.

00:19:43.600 Until you're going to do that, I reserve the right to just completely ignore you

00:19:47.420 because I think you're a fraud. And if you don't take your own, um, claims seriously,

00:19:56.960 then why should I take them seriously? This is the same thing that I say about Christians.

00:20:01.960 I've had this message many times. You know, we as Christians, we have to take our own religious

00:20:07.340 claims. And like I said last week, environmentalism really is a religion. If you don't take your own

00:20:12.380 religious claims seriously and try to live by them, then why should anyone pay attention to what you

00:20:17.700 have to say? If you don't even take it seriously, then why should they? All right. Um, let's a couple

00:20:25.180 of things before we get to emails. Uh, this one quickly, Megan Fox, remember her? She was in,

00:20:29.680 uh, what was she in? She was in some stuff. She was in, she was in some movies, I think. Anyway,

00:20:33.900 she appeared on a talk show a couple of days ago and there's no better way to regain some relevance

00:20:38.400 in America than to go on a talk show and brag about your cross-dressing child. That's the way

00:20:43.280 to do it. You want to get attention. You want to, speaking of getting attention, you want to be

00:20:47.080 relevant and that's what you do. And she did, and she's being celebrated for this by the media,

00:20:52.180 people on social media. Um, here's what she had to say about her cross-dressing six-year-old boy.

00:20:58.140 Listen to this. So he's, he's really into fashion and he's the one like sometimes he'll, he'll dress

00:21:03.640 himself and he likes to wear dresses sometimes. And he'll, and I send him to a really liberal,

00:21:08.060 like hippie school, but even, even there here in California, he still has little boys going like

00:21:14.480 boys don't wear dresses or boys don't wear pink. And so we're going through that now where I'm trying

00:21:19.180 to teach him to be confident no matter what anyone else says. He just, he finally, he had

00:21:27.140 stopped wearing dresses for a while. He just wore one two days ago to school and he came home and I

00:21:32.540 was like, how was it? Did any of the friends at school have anything to say? And he was like,

00:21:36.240 well, all the boys laughed when I came in, but he's like, but I don't care. I love dresses too much.

00:21:40.720 Okay. A couple of, of brief things here. The other boys at her son's school are correct. Uh,

00:21:46.640 they are correct. That boys don't wear dresses. So she says that like, it's a bad thing. She says,

00:21:51.600 I sent my kid to a hippie liberal school, but even, even those boys say, Oh, boys don't wear that.

00:21:56.600 Yeah, they're right. That's exact. That's right. They're, they are correct. Um,

00:22:02.380 their reaction of looking sideways at that of, of maybe even laughing at it. That's the right reaction

00:22:12.440 because you know why? Because it's absurd. It is absurd for a six-year-old boy to be wearing a dress

00:22:18.920 and going to school. Um, that is an absurdity. It's an absurd thing. And as human beings,

00:22:25.720 when we see absurdities, we, we react to it. We react in a way usually that, that, that is consistent

00:22:32.600 with the fact that the thing we're looking at is absurd. Um, now, uh, it's, it's, it's very sad

00:22:38.780 and unfortunate that her six-year-old boy is dealing with that and has to endure that treatment.

00:22:44.360 I don't like that. I think it's a terrible thing. I think it's, I, I think it's very, very sad,

00:22:48.740 but whose fault is it? Here's the point. Whose fault is that? Is it the fault of the other six-year-old

00:22:54.440 boys? Is it really their fault when they see some kid coming in to wear an address? Like it's really

00:23:00.220 their fault that they're, that they're looking at that like, well, what's he doing? We're going to blame

00:23:04.280 them and not you as the mother for putting your six-year-old boy in a dress. Who's to blame here?

00:23:13.660 And don't tell me, I didn't put him in that. He chose it. Oh, shut up. You put him in that.

00:23:18.660 Your six-year-old boy does not have any clothing that you didn't buy for him. He doesn't wear

00:23:25.200 anything that you don't let him wear. So don't tell me, oh, he made his own choice.

00:23:29.080 Uh, and, and it's just such a coincidence, isn't it? That you have all these radical liberal parents

00:23:37.580 who just so happened to have kids and sons who just so happened to want to express their gender

00:23:43.220 identity, but cross-dressing. No, you didn't encourage that at all. No, not at all. They just

00:23:47.620 so happened to want that. Bull. Okay. That's bull. Your six-year-old boy wants to wear a dress.

00:23:55.860 99% chance it's because you pushed him in that direction because you want that because it makes

00:24:01.340 you feel enlightened and everything. And even if it ostracizes your kid or makes him feel

00:24:05.440 uncomfortable or puts him in line for bullying, you don't care because this is all about you.

00:24:10.960 Your child is just like some accessory, some, some, some fashion statement.

00:24:17.460 I really hate this. I hate what people do to their kids. I hate it when they treat their kids this way.

00:24:22.160 If you're a six-year-old boy, and you know what else? I, I, I, I'm, I'm willing to bet Megan Fox and her,

00:24:31.940 uh, these Hollywood parents, um, I'm willing to bet if their kids wanted to go to school in Kmart

00:24:40.360 clothing. What if they wanted that? What if they wanted to go to school in Kmart clothing? What if

00:24:43.940 they wanted to go to school in, in, in, in clothing that was dirty and had holes in it? I bet you then

00:24:49.020 you, but you'd have a problem. He is like, no, no, no. You don't wear that to school because

00:24:52.500 that's going to make you look poor and cheap and you don't want that. So if your kid's going to

00:24:56.940 wear a dress to school, it's gonna be a nice dress, isn't it? It's gonna be a really nice one. It's

00:25:00.080 gonna be expensive brand name. I just let my kid express them. No, you don't. You let your kid

00:25:09.380 express, express himself in ways that are reflective of your ideology. That's what you're doing. And you

00:25:15.760 know it. What if your kid wanted to go to school every day and mismatching shoes? What about that?

00:25:23.460 You know, what if he wanted to wear a Nike on one foot and Adidas on the other?

00:25:27.700 I bet you wouldn't let him and you shouldn't actually.

00:25:33.200 Is it going to hurt him? Is it morally wrong to wear mismatching shoes?

00:25:38.240 If you want to take a really reductive view of it, is it a big deal at all? No, but it's absurd.

00:25:45.480 Okay, so unless you are poor or something and that's all you have and that's all you can put

00:25:50.380 your kid in, in that case, you do what you got to do to survive, to get by. But if you have an option,

00:25:57.660 you're going to put your kid in matching shoes, even if he wants to wear mismatching shoes. At

00:26:02.600 six years old, now if he's two years old and he wants to run around the house with mismatching

00:26:07.000 shoes, you say, oh, that's cute. You laugh about it. But at six years old, he's old enough now,

00:26:11.200 you wear matching shoes. Why? Just because that's what people do. You're teaching your child how to

00:26:18.160 be a functioning person in a civilized society. And so you tell them, no, this is how you wear

00:26:25.840 your shoes. Okay? You want to wear the shoes on the wrong feet because that's how you express

00:26:30.100 yourself? No. You want to, but you're not going to. Okay? Because kids want to do a lot of things

00:26:36.400 that are just, that we shouldn't let them do. Isn't that the crazy thing? I got three kids.

00:26:42.220 I got a fourth on the way. I find myself saying no to my children constantly

00:26:49.780 and having nothing to do with, with them wanting to gender bend because fortunately that hasn't been,

00:26:57.120 that hasn't been an issue. Again, coincidentally, you know, I don't have any great desire for my

00:27:02.380 kids to gender bend. And so weirdly, coincidentally, strangely, they themselves have never expressed

00:27:08.300 any real desire for that. Again, it's just that it's that odd coincidence where you have these

00:27:15.100 really super liberal enlightened parents who just so happen to have kids who just so happen to want

00:27:20.540 that. Weird, isn't it? That's not conditioning at all, is it? But in any case, in so many other

00:27:31.680 contexts, I am telling my kids, no, you can't do that. You can't do that. Stop doing that. Stop

00:27:35.900 climbing that. Stop trying to eat that. Stop wearing that. Stop, you know, this is what you

00:27:40.640 do as parents because we have to, because kids don't know anything about anything. They have no

00:27:47.860 idea how to function as, as, as humans in society. So you teach them and that's going to require a lot

00:27:58.100 of no. It's going to require a lot of control, especially in the beginning. And then as they get

00:28:04.040 older, you give them more and more freedom. And if they get to be 18 years old and they want to wear

00:28:07.880 mismatching shoes, they can. If they want to wear a boot on their head and go to, and go out there,

00:28:11.980 you know, they can. You would, you would, you would recommend they don't, but they can.

00:28:18.080 In the beginning though, as, as parents, we, uh, we are there to, uh, to give them instructions.

00:28:26.780 And look, even if you, uh, even if you see no, even if you personally see no real problem with a

00:28:38.760 kid cross-dressing and doing the gender bend routine, even if you personally see no real issue

00:28:43.920 with it, and you should, because there are issues with it, but, but even if you don't,

00:28:48.920 I mean, how about just protect your kid? How about just don't, don't put them in line for that kind

00:28:54.100 of bullying? I get, I know it makes you feel good. Uh, it makes you feel good to have kids that are

00:28:58.700 bullied for that because it makes you feel like a really enlightened and courageous parent. So great.

00:29:02.640 Good for you. Pat on the back. Here's a cookie. You want a lollipop? You can have one too. Okay.

00:29:08.180 But, but it's not good for your kid. Your kid is not a social experiment.

00:29:15.140 So, so, so, so, so, so why not give him a chance to just have a normal childhood and be a normal kid,

00:29:20.340 a normal boy, make friends, you know, how about just give him that chance? And if he gets to be

00:29:26.000 18, he wants to go wear a dress out, but he can do that. But by then it's going to really be his

00:29:30.340 choice, not yours. I really hate this, this stuff we're doing with our kids. I just, I hate it so

00:29:38.860 much. It is so unfair to these kids. All right. Um, finally, ABC news has a video of, uh, of what

00:29:49.260 they're calling husband of the year. Husband of the year's wife was in labor for two days. So he

00:29:55.400 went to the delivery room with his camera rolling, of course. And, uh, well, let, let me now, now,

00:30:01.620 so I want to show you this. I want to get, I'm interested to get your opinion. That's the honest

00:30:05.240 truth. I, especially as a woman, if you're a woman watching this, um, uh, I would like to get your

00:30:10.560 opinion or a man because men can have babies too, I'm told. So, so if you're a man with a baby or a woman,

00:30:15.000 uh, either way, I'm interested, I'm interested to get your opinion on this, what you think of it.

00:30:21.300 And I'll give you my opinion. I'm not looking to, you know, make fun of this guy,

00:30:25.480 but he's the one who put this online for everyone to see. So he put it online. So let's take a look

00:30:31.720 at it. This is what he did for his, uh, for his, his wife who was in labor. Watch this.

00:30:45.000 Okay. What do you think about that? Ladies, if you're in labor, if you're listening on iTunes or

00:30:58.860 SoundCloud, you couldn't see that. What happened was this woman, she was in labor for two days,

00:31:02.480 uh, and her husband came into the delivery room with, with these big, uh, flash, like flash cards.

00:31:09.760 And on the flash cards, he had little messages that he wrote little loving messages. And he had it on

00:31:14.800 camera and he had the camera rolling and he, uh, he, he, he showed her one at a time, the messages on

00:31:19.840 the flash card, which said, which said a bunch of nice stuff about how, I don't know, I love you and

00:31:24.060 you'll be a great mother and blah, blah, blah. Um, and, and, and so, but my, here's my question.

00:31:30.440 Why? What? Why? I feel like if my, if, if my, my wife's going to be in labor any day now, any day

00:31:40.760 now, um, we're, we're, we're coming up against it. And when she's in labor, I feel like if I went in

00:31:47.540 with a whole stack of flash cards and said, Hey honey, um, just, I want to show you something.

00:31:54.440 If you could just stop, you could just calm down for a second. I want to show you this. Look,

00:31:57.700 look at these flashcards. And I just started going through the flashcards. What she would be

00:32:01.600 sitting there with this look on her face, like what? And then she would either laugh in my face

00:32:07.660 or kick me in the stomach. Maybe both. I think maybe a kick in the stomach, a swift kick in the

00:32:12.560 stomach and then laugh in my face, maybe the other way around. I don't know, but I think that would be

00:32:17.060 her reaction. If you want to go and be supportive of your wife while she's giving birth, that's a great

00:32:24.620 idea. Why not just say it, whatever you wanted to say on the flashcard, just say it and use your

00:32:31.080 words. Like I say to my kids all the time, use your words and say it. There's an idea. I don't know.

00:32:38.640 But my main thing is why do you need to have it on film? That's what I don't get. Why do you got

00:32:45.480 to put it on film? It's your wife's giving birth. The delivery room, there is no reason

00:32:52.240 to ever, in my opinion, have a video camera rolling in the delivery room. I just, you don't

00:32:59.580 need to, even, especially not if you want to put it online, but even if for your own recollections,

00:33:06.540 I don't, the experience of someone giving birth is, it's, that's a very, it's going to be very

00:33:15.240 vivid in your mind. You won't need to go back and see the camera footage to remember it. You'll

00:33:20.180 remember it. So I can't imagine if I had video of my wife in the delivery, I can't imagine sitting

00:33:27.420 there years later, oh, you remember this? Let's watch the video again. But even if you want to do

00:33:34.240 that, that's your business. Just don't put it online. Do you want to do something nice for your

00:33:38.240 wife? Whether it, whether it plays or not, whether it works out, you don't, it doesn't need to be

00:33:44.480 videotaped. Does it? Videotape. I don't know why I still say videotape. You don't need to videotape

00:33:53.020 it so you can put it in your VCR. Kids these days. All right. But that was very sweet. That was very

00:34:00.080 nice of him. Mattwellshowatgmail.com. Mattwellshowatgmail.com is the email address. This is

00:34:05.780 from Michael says, hi, Matt. Thank you for your honest and accurate assessment of why young people

00:34:09.840 are leaving the church. For the Southern Baptist Convention, the figure is 80% plus from 2005 of

00:34:14.740 young people that leave the church at 18 years old and never return. It was staggering. It's a

00:34:20.520 staggering number. As a newcomer to the Christian church myself, I experienced exactly the problems

00:34:25.220 you spoke about, i.e. evasion, easy but incorrect answers, etc. I had to come to Christ partially on

00:34:31.080 my own and also through the good example of my landlord who invited me to the alpha class program

00:34:35.480 because I was desperate for, I don't know what the alpha class program is, but because I was desperate

00:34:39.940 for answers and heard only bad things and tales of hypocrisy from so-called Christians. Now that I

00:34:45.640 have found Christ, I understand it is still a constant battle to maintain my beliefs and faith.

00:34:50.000 For example, am I really a Protestant or is Catholicism the correct faith? And that is a minor point

00:34:54.840 compared to doubts that crop up from time to time from about things I read in the New and Old

00:34:58.680 Testaments. The bottom line is, as you say, that we need a mature and modern understanding of these

00:35:04.040 documents, one that puts them in proper historical, cultural, archaeological, and theological perspectives,

00:35:09.620 but that doesn't shy away from the disagreements within branches of Christianity while also uniting

00:35:14.040 believers around Christ, which is what the alpha program tries to do. Also understanding that what

00:35:19.360 Christ asks us to do and what we want to do are often not the same things. If we didn't have

00:35:24.820 to battle with sin, we would be God. But since we do, it is honest to admit that we fall short of the

00:35:29.220 glory of God. Anyways, long story short, just wanted to thank you for your honest and accurate

00:35:32.760 talk from today's September 21st version of the show. Thank you and Godspeed. And thank you for

00:35:38.900 that, Michael. There's nothing I really need to add to that, but I thank you for listening and for that

00:35:44.060 input and insight as well, especially as someone who just recently entered the church and

00:35:49.420 congratulations on that, by the way. This is from Jeffrey, says, Dear Matt, as a church-going high

00:35:53.580 schooler who is deeply involved in my youth group and church, I could not agree with you more on your

00:35:57.740 perspective on youth ministry. I've read my Bible consistently for the past 400 days, and I get the

00:36:03.440 impression that I do it more than the vast majority of mature adult Christians. You certainly do if

00:36:08.660 you've been reading it consistently for 400 days. That's more than most adult Christians have ever

00:36:12.620 spent reading the Bible. I also feel like that in order to get the deep, hard-hitting theology and

00:36:18.960 apologetics that I crave, I'm forced to seek it out independently, whether that be looking for the

00:36:24.020 internet, sitting in on adult small groups that occasionally meet at my house, or reading the

00:36:28.780 books by intelligent theologians like Sproul, Lewis, Hamm, or Piper. One of those names does not belong

00:36:36.900 with the others. That's all I'll say. Three of those people are brilliant theologians. Nobody ever

00:36:44.440 discussing things like the apparent contradictions of the hard and difficult passages at my youth

00:36:48.780 group or in chapel sessions at my school, which has filled me with a deep resentment for both

00:36:53.120 activities. I also get the feeling that my pastor is oblivious to this because he never avoids hard

00:36:57.800 questions or difficult passages, and so he's really the only person in my life I have interest in

00:37:01.900 listening to. As a youth myself, it is blatantly obvious to me why my peers are falling away. The people

00:37:07.640 that are supposed to be educating and training us are only trying to make Jesus look appealing and not

00:37:11.380 preaching anything that will be of serious use when we move away and go to college, where our faith will

00:37:16.040 be harshly challenged and the allure of sin will be strong. I think that all young Christians should

00:37:20.560 realize that their faith has to be taken extremely seriously, and I also believe that the adult church

00:37:24.440 that is supposed to be an example to us is seriously lacking. And thank you for that again, Jeffrey.

00:37:32.060 But, okay, so they weren't, I didn't only get emails of agreement, believe you me on that one.

00:37:39.700 This is one from someone who's not quite in agreement, says, from Miles, Matt, I thought

00:37:44.000 your analysis of why people leave the faith was way off and very troubling. If anyone leaves,

00:37:48.800 it means they were never in it to begin with. If you lose your faith, you never had it. It's not

00:37:53.980 possible to lose faith if it's real. The fact that you don't realize this makes me question your faith,

00:37:59.460 frankly. Well, Miles, thanks for that. Really appreciate it. You're totally wrong,

00:38:05.540 unfortunately. What's more, I think your position is arrogant and pretentious and a sign of intellectual

00:38:14.280 cowardice. And I really don't mean any offense by that. You want to think that anyone who leaves

00:38:21.900 must have been a fraud all along, because that gives you an excuse to not take them seriously,

00:38:26.500 to not listen to them, and especially not to listen to any of the questions they might have about faith,

00:38:31.960 not to listen to any of the reasons they might give for why they left. It gives you license to

00:38:39.140 ignore their objections completely and to continue living in your bubble. And I find that, frankly,

00:38:44.840 pathetic. And I don't mind saying that because, you know, you clearly wanted to make this a personal

00:38:50.040 thing. I don't mean it as a personal thing. That's just how I see that. And you're by no means alone

00:38:55.500 in this idea that anyone who, it's not, if you really have faith, it's not possible ever to lose

00:39:04.720 it. I just, to me, that's ridiculous. To me, that is self-evidently ridiculous. You're suggesting

00:39:15.560 that it's impossible to believe something and then not believe it anymore. You're denying a basic fact

00:39:23.280 of human nature. It's just, it is definitely possible for someone to believe something and

00:39:28.740 then not believe it. They really believed it and now they don't. That's a thing. People do that.

00:39:35.100 Now, and they could be wrong. You know, someone could believe something and be right and then

00:39:40.560 believe something that's wrong. That happens. Or they could be wrong and then believe something.

00:39:44.760 It's that, those, these things happen. That's how the human mind works. We're not,

00:39:49.300 you know, you just, just because you come to a conclusion and say, oh, I think this,

00:39:57.000 that doesn't mean you're going to stick with that conclusion forever. You could change your mind

00:40:01.460 for better or worse. That does happen. And to deny that it happens, it's just, why? Well,

00:40:09.760 I know why and I'll get to that in a minute, but you certainly have, there's no rational basis to

00:40:14.560 deny that. We all, you know, in your own experience, Miles, that there have, I would hope there,

00:40:20.560 there have been things that you believed, you know, putting religion aside, maybe not religiously,

00:40:24.640 but you've, there have been things that you believed and then later came to the conclusion

00:40:29.400 that you were wrong. Or have you never done that? Have you never in your life ever changed your mind

00:40:34.680 about anything? If so, then I would say that you're, that's a sign of being a very close-minded

00:40:38.920 person. But probably you haven't. So you know how that works. You really believe something and now

00:40:44.860 you don't. Okay. It does happen. But I think the bigger problem is, is, is you are accusing every

00:40:54.960 single person who has ever left the faith of either being liars or too stupid to understand their own

00:41:00.440 reasons and their own mind. So when they say, yeah, you know, I really believe this and now I don't

00:41:05.480 anymore because, and they give a reason like, you know, whatever. I rattled off a bunch of the

00:41:11.360 objections and questions people have who leave the faith. I did that in the last show. You can listen

00:41:14.900 to it. But, um, uh, okay. Just, just for one example, someone says, I left the faith. I really

00:41:22.800 believe in God, but I didn't because, uh, for example, I was reading the old Testament and, uh,

00:41:27.480 it just seemed to me that the God of the old Testament is a moral monster. And I, I, I just can't

00:41:32.260 believe that anyone would, would endorse this kind of stuff. Okay. That's, that's a, that's a very

00:41:36.520 common objection that you hear from people who leave the faith. Um, very, in my experience,

00:41:40.540 very common, they'll cite the old Testament and the things in their slavery, genocide, rape,

00:41:45.280 you know, all these things. Um, uh, uh, not all of it certainly endorsed or commanded by God,

00:41:52.500 but that's, but that's the, that's the impression that some people that many people have when they read

00:41:56.860 it actually. Um, and that's the reason they give now, rather than you engaging with that reason

00:42:03.920 and saying, you know, listen, I think you, I think you, I think you have a misunderstanding of

00:42:07.260 the old Testament texts. Let me talk about rather than doing that. What you're saying is, oh,

00:42:10.280 then you never believed at all. You were a fraud. You're lying now. That's not really why you left

00:42:16.160 or you're too stupid to understand why you left. Yeah. You never really believed in the first place.

00:42:21.980 That's what you're saying to them. Maybe not in those words, but that's the message.

00:42:25.620 That's the message they hear. No, it is indeed possible for a person to believe in God with all

00:42:33.460 their heart and then to, at a later date, come to the conclusion that they were wrong.

00:42:39.600 In my, uh, opinion, it is a, that's a wrong conclusion. The new conclusion is wrong. They

00:42:45.160 were right before, but that happens. People do that. You know, they were right and now they're wrong.

00:42:50.920 You just have no basis at all. None, none to claim that they never believed what they say they

00:42:58.380 believed before. That's how you want to look at it. You see, Miles, that's why I call it intellectual

00:43:03.420 cowardice is that you want to see it that way. You hope that it's that way. That's how you would

00:43:07.860 prefer to see it because you don't want to take them seriously and you don't want to engage their

00:43:14.020 objections. Maybe you don't know how to, maybe you haven't studied this stuff yourself.

00:43:16.900 The objections that people raise, for example, about the old Testament, those are serious

00:43:22.000 objections. They're not crazy. The fact is read the old Testament, read it. There is some really

00:43:27.560 troubling stuff in there that you can't deny. Denying that is not going to help. And so to,

00:43:32.820 and so to, to, to confront those objections head on is, it can be a difficult thing intellectually,

00:43:41.020 emotionally. Um, and so it seems to me that you would prefer to avoid that. And so instead,

00:43:46.820 you're like, yeah, you never believe I don't have to teach whatever.

00:43:51.180 This is exactly the kind of attitude that makes the problem worse.

00:43:54.940 You know, you're making it worse. You personally are making it worse. If someone has a crisis of

00:44:00.060 faith, if they leave the faith and you're sitting there completely delegitimizing their experience,

00:44:05.680 completely discounting their reasons for leaving and waving away their previous, however many years,

00:44:11.360 I mean, someone, let's say someone was, was a Christian for 40 years and then, and then they had a

00:44:14.740 crisis of faith, all this stuff. They leave that you're sitting there. You're just waving away 40

00:44:18.720 years of their life. Thank that. No, it was nothing. It mean anything. Wasn't real.

00:44:26.660 They, they are, it was perfectly reasonable for them to respond and say, how dare you? Who the hell

00:44:30.880 do you think you are? How could you possibly know what was in my mind before? Where do you get off

00:44:37.280 making those kinds of declarations? This is just not the right approach. I cannot stress this enough.

00:44:45.400 I feel so strongly about this as you could tell. So I'm talking about it again. I just, I, it's really,

00:44:50.280 really bad. This is not the right way to go about it. You are chasing people away. You might as well

00:44:55.220 go to a church with a broom and just swat people away and say, get out, get out of here. You might as

00:45:00.980 well do that. It's the same kind of thing. It's just so, so wrong. Um, I think the right approach

00:45:10.740 is to go to them and say, listen, your doubts are valid, even reasonable. Um, your questions are

00:45:21.700 good questions. The things that you're bringing up about this or that old Testament problem of

00:45:27.600 suffering, um, you know, uh, going down the list, those things I've thought about them too. This

00:45:33.840 is what you could say. I thought about them too. Uh, it's something that I've had. I have wrestled

00:45:37.980 with it also. If you've never wrestled with it, then you just, then you have no business even,

00:45:42.720 then, then, then, you know, you certainly have no business passing any judgment on them. If you've

00:45:46.680 never even wrestled with these questions, but if you've, if you have wrestled with them and that's

00:45:52.520 all the more reason to go up to them and say, look, I get, I get it. I understand why you're

00:45:55.760 wrestling. It is, this is tough stuff, but let's talk about it. Let me give you some ideas about

00:45:59.920 how we might sort through this. Let me give you some, some people you might read who've done a

00:46:04.340 good job, who helped me when I was going through the same thing you did. I think that's the right

00:46:11.240 response saying, Oh, you were never a Christian to begin with. You're a fraud. That is a remarkably

00:46:17.040 stupid way to respond to a person's crisis of faith. And all you are doing is all but

00:46:25.740 ensuring that they will never come back because this is the other thing I hear. I told you

00:46:31.940 yesterday, I hear from all these people who've had, had these crises, crises and, um, talking

00:46:38.800 about the questions that they had and so on. The other thing I hear very often is that when

00:46:45.600 they were in the midst of this crisis or, or even when they came out on the other end of

00:46:51.800 it and they found that they had no faith anymore, the response from the church and from other

00:46:58.700 Christians was so horrendously bad and that, that they just said, you know what? I don't,

00:47:06.560 I want nothing to do with these people. These people are, this is, I'm, I don't want to,

00:47:11.600 I wouldn't want to, I'm done. Goodbye. This is a real problem. I mean, it, it is a real problem

00:47:20.080 in the church. Um, and I'm sure I've been guilty of it to myself, but we really need to

00:47:28.260 take a step back and because 80% of the number he had, this is the second email I've gotten out.

00:47:36.200 People claiming 80, 90% from what I've read. I have read those studies say 89 and it depends on

00:47:41.360 what denomination, what church, but some churches, some denominations are losing 80 to 90% of the

00:47:46.160 next generation. Some, a good figure would be like losing 60% or something. This is, this is

00:47:53.240 catastrophic. It cannot go on. Don't you understand? If it continues like this, there will not be

00:48:00.120 Christianity in America in another 50 years. It won't exist in this country. That's where we're headed.

00:48:04.960 So I think it's a good idea to step back and to do a serious re-examination of everything. I mean,

00:48:12.820 just all the ways that we usually have approached this problem, our entire way of thinking about this

00:48:17.860 problem of people leaving the faith, why they leave, how we should deal with it. We need to

00:48:22.080 re-examine all of that because it's clear that we are doing something wildly wrong. And I think,

00:48:28.880 Miles, you gave us an example, helpfully, of one of the very wrong ways that we go about this.

00:48:39.040 All right. I guess we'll leave it there. Thanks, everybody, for watching. Thanks for listening.

00:48:48.680 If you're in D.C. today, I feel sorry for you. I'll pray for you. God have mercy on your soul,

00:48:54.360 and Godspeed.

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