The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 340 - Another Failed Bombshell

00:00:00.000 OK, it seems seems pretty straightforward from here. OK, here's the here's the seven step process.

00:00:05.080 Number one, impeach Donald Trump. Step two, Pence is vice is president. Step three,

00:00:13.460 Pence appoints me vice president. Step four, Pence resigns. Step five, I'm president. Step six,

00:00:23.880 I impose the death penalty on everyone who FaceTimes in public or ditches their shopping 0.88

00:00:28.600 cart in the middle of the parking lot. Step seven, utopia. It is that is our path. I just I just 0.94

00:00:36.100 laid it out. Things look pretty dicey right now, but we could be headed towards really paradise on

00:00:41.940 Earth. It is it is within our grasp. So that's my plan anyway. Now, the whistleblower complaint is,

00:00:49.860 as I'm sure you've heard, in the director of national intelligence, Joseph McGuire,

00:00:54.100 testifying on Capitol Hill. Lots of stuff going on, which we're going to talk about in just a moment.

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00:02:13.740 All right. First, let's talk about this whistleblower thing.

00:02:21.220 And look, one of the things I hate about these kinds of stories is that everybody becomes an

00:02:27.580 expert, right? I'm sure you've noticed. Everyone's an expert. Everyone, especially talking heads like

00:02:34.200 myself, suddenly act like they have some sort of relevant expertise that will enable them to give

00:02:41.220 meaningful insight. They say, I've looked at this whistleblower report. And according to my

00:02:46.980 experience, of which I have none, I admit that I have no expertise here at all. I can only just

00:02:54.680 read this stuff like you and follow the news reports and give you my general impression for what it's

00:03:00.580 worth, which probably isn't that much. So now that I've told you why my opinion doesn't matter at all,

00:03:05.740 and you shouldn't listen to it, I will move on to giving you my opinion. First, I think again,

00:03:12.880 with this whistleblower report, just like with the transcript yesterday or the Mueller report or 0.99

00:03:18.340 anything else, the Democrats have overplayed their hands significantly, which is a stupid move 0.90

00:03:24.140 politically, obviously, because it can overshadow or blunt the impact of otherwise troubling revelations 0.94

00:03:32.500 or allegations. And that's why you don't hype things up too much beforehand. Everybody knows

00:03:38.220 that. Everyone should know it. This is a classic blunder. If you really think you've got something

00:03:43.780 good up your sleeve, you don't need to tell anybody ahead of time. Like the other night, just as an

00:03:50.200 example, I made some absolutely amazing meatballs. But I didn't tell my family ahead of time. Now, I knew

00:03:56.900 the meatballs were great, but I didn't say them. I didn't tell my wife and my kids, oh, these are great

00:04:00.960 meatballs. You're going to love them. Instead, I just gave them the meatballs and I let them experience

00:04:06.160 them and be brought to tears of joy over how great the meatballs were, which is exactly what happened.

00:04:11.040 No exaggeration. So yes, I am comparing the whistleblower report to meatballs. This is the

00:04:15.680 level of commentary you can expect from this show. I don't even know why you're watching it. Now,

00:04:20.360 what does the whistleblower complaint primarily consist of? It seems it mainly consists of

00:04:27.000 recounting the transcripts we already read and talking about media reports that we've already

00:04:32.920 seen. The only troubling part is the part that alleges what could be, if it were true, a coverup.

00:04:42.380 Let me read from the whistleblower report. It says, White House officials told me that they were

00:04:47.200 directed, that's in quotes, by White House lawyers to remove the electronic transcript from the

00:04:52.200 computer transcript of the call between the Ukrainian president and Trump, in which such

00:04:57.760 transcripts are normally stored for coordination, finalization, and distribution to cabinet level

00:05:02.740 officials. Instead, the transcript was loaded into a separate electronic system that is otherwise used

00:05:07.280 to store and handle classified information of an especially sensitive nature. One White House

00:05:11.740 official described this act as an abuse of this electronic system because the call did not contain

00:05:16.160 anything remotely sensitive from a national security perspective. Now, and then there's a couple

00:05:21.840 other references to that. And the claim here that's being made is that this is something White House

00:05:26.180 officials have done on a number of occasions, not just with the Ukrainian thing, but with other

00:05:30.360 politically sensitive material that they have put into and they've stored in a separate server to

00:05:38.960 keep it away from prying eyes. I don't want to get into cliches about the coverup is worse than the

00:05:43.320 crime, but well, there you go. It is. And yes, this is third-hand anonymous information. This is an

00:05:50.860 anonymous claim from someone who heard it secondhand. So therefore, for us, it is thirdhand. So you take

00:05:58.560 it with whatever amount of salt is necessary, and it probably is a pretty heaping dose. But the claim

00:06:04.180 that a computer system is being used as a means to hide politically sensitive material, well, the claim

00:06:09.420 is there. It might not be true, but it's there. It's in the report. So now it's going to be investigated.

00:06:15.260 And I have no doubt we're going to hear more about this, and it will become maybe the key

00:06:19.600 point in impeachment as we move forward. But at any rate, that, as far as I can tell,

00:06:26.260 is really the only relevant part of the complaint. The rest of it restates what we already read,

00:06:33.000 either in the transcript or in other media reports. That should be something. If you

00:06:39.320 if you really want this whistleblower report to be true and to be an actual documentation of criminal

00:06:50.940 activity. Now, it's sad that so many people do want that. They want the president to have committed

00:06:55.760 a crime. That's a totally separate discussion. But if you do want that, it should trouble you

00:07:02.560 that there are so many references to media reports. Why would a whistleblower need to reference things

00:07:10.500 that were in the hill.com? But Democrats aren't focused enough to home in on this aspect of it. 0.92

00:07:21.160 Instead, we get. Well, in fact, let's watch Adam Schiff in his opening statement before the DNI's

00:07:27.940 testimony this morning. I think he this is this is pretty remarkable. Watch this. And so what happened

00:07:34.920 on that call? Zelensky begins by ingratiating himself and he tries to enlist the support of

00:07:43.940 the president. He expresses his interest in meeting with the president and says his country wants to

00:07:49.740 acquire more weapons from us to defend itself. And what is the president's response?

00:07:57.940 Well, it reads like a classic organized crime shakedown. We've been very good to your country.

00:08:06.080 Very good. No other country has done as much as we have. But you know what? I don't see much

00:08:11.400 reciprocity here. I hear what you want. I have a favor I want from you, though. And I'm going to say

00:08:19.340 this only seven times, so you better listen good. I want you to make up dirt on my political opponent

00:08:25.480 and understand lots of it. On this and on that, I'm going to put you in touch with people and not

00:08:31.300 just any people. I'm going to put you in touch with Attorney General of the United States,

00:08:34.680 my Attorney General, Bill Barr. He's got the whole weight of the American law enforcement

00:08:40.640 behind him. And I'm going to put you in touch with Rudy. You're going to love him. Trust me.

00:08:47.560 You know what I'm asking. And so I'm only going to say this a few more times in a few more ways.

00:08:55.280 And by the way, don't call me again. I'll call you when you've done what I asked.

00:08:58.900 This is, in sum, in character what the president was trying to communicate

00:09:04.500 with the president of Ukraine. It would be funny if it wasn't such a graphic betrayal

00:09:09.780 of the president's oath of office. So you see what he just did there, right? He gave a fictional

00:09:16.000 retelling of the transcript. That lengthy quote that he offered was not real. That's not actually

00:09:22.820 what was in the transcript. He made that up. I started my show yesterday as a joke.

00:09:29.600 Making up a Trump transcript, a damning Trump transcript. It was a joke. Adam Schiff,

00:09:36.820 in this, was supposed to be a very important hearing nationally televised. He actually did it.

00:09:41.800 He just made up his own transcript, which is pretty jaw-dropping. And I'm sure it will have

00:09:49.220 the desired effect for some viewers. Pretty straightforward, really. He did that because

00:09:53.740 he knows that a lot of ignorant people watching are going to have not done their own research, 0.97

00:09:59.720 not have read the transcript themselves. And they're going to hear that, and they're going to 0.96

00:10:03.440 say, oh my gosh, this really is damning. I can't believe he said all that.

00:10:08.240 Instead of talking about the scandal itself, this is what Schiff wants us to talk about.

00:10:17.240 But it also gives Republicans a very valid deflection, which is why I think it's a 0.99

00:10:23.900 politically stupid move. Because now Republicans can talk about this outrageous, dishonest spectacle 0.99

00:10:30.900 from Adam Schiff, rather than talking about the hearing itself. So again, the only thing that

00:10:38.560 really stands out is that bit about the politically sensitive documents being stashed somewhere on an

00:10:43.280 NSC computer server. But third-hand anonymous claims are a problem. And we've seen enough of them,

00:10:49.520 and we've seen enough of them not pan out to be very, very skeptical of them. 0.99

00:10:56.360 Maybe the White House does have a file somewhere where they put records of all the stupid things 1.00

00:11:02.000 Trump says in phone calls. That wouldn't really surprise me. It also wouldn't necessarily be 1.00

00:11:07.080 criminal. But I don't know. And just reading that written in a document anonymously is not enough,

00:11:16.380 not enough to assume that it's true. And if we've learned nothing from the last three years,

00:11:23.380 we should have at least learned that.

00:11:28.200 Something else I wanted to say here, because there's a separate issue related to this that's

00:11:37.360 been on my mind. Over the last week, there have been a lot of videos floating around online.

00:11:41.900 You've probably seen some of them comparing what various prominent politicians are saying now about

00:11:48.200 impeachment to what they said about impeachment in 1998. Not surprisingly, the Democrats, who are

00:11:55.140 very much in favor of impeachment in 2019, were very much against it in 1998. And then you can also

00:12:01.680 find quotes from Republicans who were all about it in 1998, and now are saying that it's a terrible

00:12:08.860 thing to do. Here's just, this one I think is probably the most striking. Here's one example

00:12:15.260 of those videos featuring the lovely Nancy Pelosi. Today, the Republican majority is not judging the

00:12:21.580 president with fairness, but impeaching him with a vengeance. In the investigation of the president,

00:12:28.700 fundamental principles which Americans hold dear, privacy, fairness, checks and balances,

00:12:34.880 have been seriously violated. And why? Because we are here, as we are here today, because the Republicans

00:12:43.120 in the House are paralyzed with hatred of President Clinton. And until the Republicans free themselves of this

00:12:49.760 hatred, our country will suffer. I rise to want to oppose these unfair motions, which call for the removal of the

00:12:57.200 president of the United States from office. The independent counsel knew that the president was exonerated

00:13:03.000 with Travelgate, Whitewater and Filegate. This was not fair. Indeed, it is the responsibility of any prosecutor

00:13:10.180 to immediately release information that is exculpatory.

00:13:15.580 Therefore, today, I'm announcing the House of Representatives moving forward with an official impeachment inquiry.

00:13:21.760 I'm directing our six committees to proceed with their investigations under that umbrella.

00:13:27.520 I thank our chairman, Chairman Nadler, Chairman Schiff, Chairman Cummings, Congresswoman Maxine Waters.

00:13:35.020 Thank you all.

00:13:36.020 Madam Speaker, never before the president has been convicted by the Senate. What does this accomplish if the Senate doesn't convict?

00:13:41.780 So what jumps out at you about that? I'll tell you what jumps out at me when I see videos like that. It's that

00:13:52.520 these people have been in power for way, way, way too long. That's the thing that I notice. It's all the same players.

00:14:04.140 I also saw a there was another video I saw this morning. I won't I won't play it because I'm not gonna play all the videos.

00:14:11.280 But Nadler is another video is a video of him when 20 years ago when he was looked to be about 300 pounds heavier.

00:14:19.420 And he was talking about what a you know, how impeachment is is erasing an election and it's an attack on the voters.

00:14:26.420 It's all the same people. It's all the same characters still in there.

00:14:33.180 So if we take nothing else from this, we should take the need for maybe term limits.

00:14:40.200 That 20 years have passed between this impeachment scandal and the last one, and it's all the same people.

00:14:49.140 Saying the same things.

00:14:51.320 Well, not the same things, really opposite things from what they said before.

00:14:56.420 That that that is that's sad. And that's not how a democracy is supposed to work.

00:15:02.100 All right. Let's move on to to here's an important story.

00:15:07.680 Everybody else is talking about whistleblowers and impeachment. But to me, this is the thing we need to focus on.

00:15:13.700 Mattel is is Mattel is releasing gender neutral dolls.

00:15:18.740 And Time has a whole story about it. They're very excited about it.

00:15:22.320 I want to read a bit just just a little bit of it to you because it's funny, but also because there's a point I want to make here at the end of this.

00:15:30.960 OK, so this is Mattel on the gender neutral dolls says a child opens a box.

00:15:37.000 He starts jumping and screaming with joy.

00:15:39.460 Not an unusual sound in the halls of Mattel's headquarters where researchers test new toys.

00:15:44.040 But this particular toy is a doll. And it's rare for parents to bring boys into these research groups to play with dolls.

00:15:50.380 It's rarer still for a boy to immediately attach himself to one the way that Shia just did. 1.00

00:15:55.660 An eight year old who considers himself gender fluid and whose favorite color is black one wink, pink the next.

00:16:02.320 Shia sometimes plays with his younger sister's dolls at home, but they're girly princess stuff.

00:16:07.000 He says dismissively. I'm going to stop here for a minute and I'm going to sound like a broken record.

00:16:13.160 But an eight year old. Who considers himself gender fluid, that sentence means nothing.

00:16:20.260 It means nothing, first of all, because the phrase gender fluid means nothing.

00:16:24.860 Gender is not a there is no gender fluid.

00:16:27.640 Um, despite what we're, what we are told gender is a, is an objective thing.

00:16:35.700 It's not a, it's not a, it's not a, it's not a fluid. It's not a spectrum.

00:16:40.320 But even aside from that, even if gender fluid did mean something, uh, an eight year old who considers himself that.

00:16:47.180 He has no idea what gender fluid means.

00:16:49.820 Well, nobody does because it doesn't mean anything.

00:16:51.600 But he has very little clue what it even means to be a boy or a girl.

00:16:58.260 He doesn't really even know what that means.

00:17:01.280 If you ask this eight year old child to define what is a boy,

00:17:06.960 he would probably have a difficult time giving you, especially a scientific definition.

00:17:13.840 Yet somehow he's decided that he doesn't quite identify as that.

00:17:17.220 Also, do you think it's a coincidence that his name is, uh, Shia, that's S-H-I apostrophe A.

00:17:27.020 And he identifies as gender fluid.

00:17:28.660 So he, so he has this kind of, um, ambiguous name and then he ends up identifying as an ambiguous child.

00:17:37.700 What a coincidence.

00:17:40.380 That's not a self-fulfilling prophecy at all.

00:17:42.500 Well, it says this doll with its prepubescent body and childish features looks more like him,

00:17:47.680 right down to the wave of bleach blonde bangs. 1.00

00:17:50.820 The hair is just like mine, Shia says, swinging his head in tandem with the dolls.

00:17:55.020 Then he turns to the playmate in the toy, uh, testing room, a seven-year-old girl named Jahase

00:17:59.860 and asks, should I put on the girl hand, the girl hair?

00:18:04.140 Shia fits a long blonde wig on the doll's head and suddenly it is no longer an avatar for him, but for his sister.

00:18:09.760 Um, and then it, it, it goes on from there.

00:18:14.320 Very lovely story.

00:18:15.280 Here's what the dolls look like, by the way.

00:18:16.740 Let me show you what they look like.

00:18:18.940 So those are the dolls.

00:18:20.720 Um, I only really have one point I want to make here.

00:18:26.860 Have you noticed that, ironically, and these dolls capture it,

00:18:30.360 ironically, um, gender fluid, non-binary people,

00:18:39.700 they all end up looking kind of the same, with same style and everything.

00:18:45.960 People identify this way so they can distinguish themselves and express themselves and be individuals.

00:18:51.700 But then they end up looking indistinguishable from everybody else who's trying to be an individual.

00:18:58.560 It's like when I was a kid, some people, uh, wanted to be different and unique,

00:19:02.460 so they became goth.

00:19:04.780 That was the thing back when I was a kid.

00:19:06.580 It wasn't gender neutral or gender fluid.

00:19:08.480 It's the same basic idea, um, where it's just people who want to,

00:19:12.320 I don't want to fit in with the crowd, I want to be different.

00:19:15.460 But then the big joke with the goth kids is they all looked exactly the same. 0.93

00:19:19.620 They were wearing a, basically, a uniform.

00:19:22.980 And that's what's funny.

00:19:24.160 Um, because if I said to you, if I said to you, picture a girl.

00:19:28.100 Just picture a girl in your head.

00:19:29.380 Not any specific girl.

00:19:30.300 Not someone you know, but just a girl.

00:19:33.020 You might have a general image in your mind of what a girl basically looks like.

00:19:37.140 But, um, a girl could look like so many different things. 0.62

00:19:40.360 So you're not, you're not going to be able to get very specific.

00:19:43.880 When you think about what a girl looks like, 0.99

00:19:46.260 again, you have just a general idea.

00:19:47.900 But within those general parameters, a girl could look like many different things. 1.00

00:19:53.520 There could be a wide diversity of what a girl looks like.

00:19:57.160 Because there isn't really a girl uniform.

00:20:01.080 But if I said to you, picture someone who identifies as gender fluid,

00:20:06.180 you immediately have in your mind an exact image of this person.

00:20:10.580 Down to the hairstyle.

00:20:12.260 Down to everything.

00:20:13.060 Because gender fluid is, ironically, a very rigid, specific kind of thing.

00:20:21.880 In, in their effort to be different and to be unique,

00:20:25.480 they end up looking like everyone else who's making the same effort.

00:20:28.340 And that's because, um, actually, as it turns out, you know, there, there isn't anything constricting or rigid about just being a boy or girl.

00:20:40.480 There's a lot of leeway within those parameters to express yourself however you want.

00:20:48.740 But then when you try to leave those, when you want to be such an individual that you leave those parameters behind,

00:20:55.800 that's when you end up in this very narrow box where you look like everybody else in the box.

00:21:01.160 Okay, I wanted to mention, I wanted to mention this too.

00:21:03.700 There was another, another hearing.

00:21:05.360 This was a couple of days ago, not related to whistleblowers or impeachment or Trump at all.

00:21:09.540 Uh, so just a, a little change of pace here.

00:21:12.140 But I had to, I've got to play this for you because it's so weird and also funny.

00:21:17.960 Um, it was a, it was a hearing on the dangers of e-cigarettes.

00:21:22.560 As we have talked about, there's, there is a, an effort now, um, and this is one, this is, this is why I always say, by, when you hear bipartisan, when something is bipartisan, that's when you should really be worried.

00:21:35.280 Whereas the media always tells us, oh, we need bipartisan agreement.

00:21:38.560 No, actually, that's, that's when it's really bad. 1.00

00:21:40.720 If both sides are agreeing on something, now you got to run for the hills because you know it's something really stupid. 0.97

00:21:46.720 Um, the e-cigarette thing is a, is a good example. 0.93

00:21:49.880 This, this idea of banning e-cigarettes or certain flavors of them.

00:21:53.740 Trump likes the idea.

00:21:55.000 Democrats are on the same page.

00:21:56.920 Look, if, if the Democrats and Trump can agree, then you know it must be a really, really bad idea.

00:22:02.680 So, uh, they were doing a hearing on it.

00:22:04.720 And this is just to show you, this is one thing that's very frustrating for people who, and I don't, I don't smoke e-cigarettes myself.

00:22:12.400 Um, I guess smoke isn't even really the right term, but I don't use e-cigarettes.

00:22:17.100 Uh, it's, it's, it's a similar thing when we talk about marijuana.

00:22:21.440 Um, the, the people who do use e-cigarettes or, you know, marijuana, they always get frustrated because it seems to them that the people who are opposed to it and want to ban it have no idea what they're talking about and don't know anything about it.

00:22:39.160 And yet they want to ban it.

00:22:41.400 And I think those people who are frustrated have reason to be frustrated.

00:22:44.180 And we'll, we'll see why here in a second.

00:22:45.880 Rashida Tlaib, uh, she was, uh, one of the, uh, representatives involved in this House Oversight and Reform Subcommittee.

00:22:54.900 And first I'll play this clip for you because this was just weird.

00:22:57.920 This was just a weird, a weird moment, um, from Tlaib.

00:23:01.340 Watch this.

00:23:01.760 You, you call yourself a cons, cons, converted, conservative, and reformed Marxist?

00:23:07.520 Are you a conspiracy theorist?

00:23:09.780 I, I think my politics are entirely irrelevant to this hearing.

00:23:13.280 Oh, okay.

00:23:14.100 Why were you winking at one of my colleagues on the other side of the aisle?

00:23:17.440 You winked.

00:23:18.160 Because I know Glenn Grothman.

00:23:19.320 Oh, that's what it, so the winking, did he?

00:23:21.280 He introduced me.

00:23:22.400 Oh.

00:23:22.560 He's a friend of mine.

00:23:23.360 Okay, I understand.

00:23:24.120 I didn't know what the winking was because I thought maybe there was something like a conspiracy thing going on there.

00:23:30.480 I didn't know.

00:23:31.040 You think there's a conspiracy in this hearing, ma'am?

00:23:33.160 No, no.

00:23:33.820 I actually think people are speaking truth here, and you can provide information.

00:23:38.260 May, may I, may I address the truth?

00:23:40.840 No, no, no.

00:23:41.660 Well, the truth to you is very different for the majority of people in this room who do believe that children are being smacked by babies.

00:23:46.940 The truth for me is I quit smoking with these cigarettes and so did 8 million other people.

00:23:50.720 You're still smoking, ma'am.

00:23:50.920 You're still smoking.

00:23:52.180 I'm not smoking.

00:23:54.120 Thank you, thank you.

00:23:55.740 And I'm not lying under all of them.

00:23:56.980 Order, please.

00:23:57.900 And then, okay, so that's very strange.

00:24:00.680 But here's the part, and this is where it gets frustrating for, let's say, people who do vape.

00:24:10.140 Because here's the part where Tlaib makes a claim, a scientific claim.

00:24:16.260 This is the party of science, but makes a very anti-scientific, scientific claim.

00:24:22.700 Watch this.

00:24:23.060 You know, I go in to speak to kids all the time.

00:24:27.040 You know, I do the second grade and third grade reading class.

00:24:30.300 They always ask, well, what do you do, you know?

00:24:32.340 And I tell them I work at the Capitol, and I show them the picture and tell them where it is geography-wise.

00:24:37.280 And then I tell them, you know, when I was your age, I used to go to restaurants with my parents.

00:24:41.420 And they say, you know, right now you go, and they say, how many people in your group?

00:24:45.680 When I was little, they said non-smoking or smoking section.

00:24:48.860 And the kids are like, what?

00:24:50.600 And I was like, yeah, they would say non-smoking or smoking, because they smoked cigarettes in public places like restaurants, hospitals, schools, planes.

00:25:00.300 And the kids' eyes are wide.

00:25:01.860 And they're like, what?

00:25:03.220 That's unbelievable.

00:25:04.200 And I said, yes, even though scientists, people were saying secondhand smoking was worse, was worse than directly smoking cigarettes.

00:25:12.540 And even though health experts and others were coming forward, you had big industry, corporate greed, misleading information out there to the public, what the real impact was on health.

00:25:25.580 And so it's so important that you all continue to speak truth.

00:25:29.060 She says scientists say that secondhand smoke is worse than directly smoking.

00:25:32.700 That is not true.

00:25:34.780 Scientists do not say that.

00:25:36.460 At least no credible scientists do.

00:25:38.100 That is absolutely not true.

00:25:40.700 Okay.

00:25:42.540 It doesn't even make any sense.

00:25:46.220 How could secondhand smoke be worse than directly smoking cigarettes?

00:25:51.200 When you smoke, you are inhaling directly from the cigarette.

00:25:55.980 You're also inhaling the secondary smoke, too.

00:25:59.420 As the person who is smoking, you are going to be closer to the secondary.

00:26:03.680 I mean, unless, unless, maybe, if you're smoking and you've got someone tied down, like onto a chair, and then you're directly smoking in his face, just blowing it right into his face, maybe then.

00:26:19.320 But in a normal circumstance, if you're smoking, you're inhaling directly from the cigarette, but the smoke that comes out, you're also inhaling that, too, because that's in the air around you.

00:26:29.260 So what Tlaib is claiming is that it's worse to only inhale some of the secondary smoke than it is to inhale all of the direct smoke and most of the secondary smoke.

00:26:41.660 Does that make any sense?

00:26:42.980 Now, is secondhand smoke good for you?

00:26:47.220 I mean, it's not, I don't think anyone's going to claim that it's a health benefit.

00:26:50.900 I don't think there's any studies showing that it's going to help you health-wise.

00:26:54.600 It is, though, it is an open question whether or not secondary smoke or secondhand smoke has any significant health, you know, has any significant negative impact on your health for people who are, you know, now if you have asthma, emphysema, something like that, bronchitis.

00:27:17.780 Then, obviously, being around secondhand smoke is a different matter.

00:27:21.520 But if you're a basically healthy person, the jury is kind of out on what kind of impact secondhand smoke is going to have on you, especially in a casual environment.

00:27:32.120 Now, if you're in an enclosed space with somebody smoking constantly for years at a time, then, again, that's going to be different from someone who's sort of casually around it.

00:27:42.420 But the link between secondhand smoke and cancer, there have been some studies that have found a link.

00:27:49.960 There have also been studies that have said that there's no link, there's no discernible link. 0.86

00:27:53.680 But putting all that to the side, this claim here is completely ridiculous.

00:28:00.500 It is not true.

00:28:01.460 And this, again, is exactly what is frustrating.

00:28:05.960 When you're someone who enjoys using a certain product, whether it's e-cigarettes or regular cigarettes or marijuana or whatever, alcohol, and you've got other people advocating a ban on it.

00:28:22.080 And then you notice that, or how about guns, maybe the number one example of what I'm talking about here, where famously the Democrats who are the gun grabbers, when they get to talking about guns, you discover, you realize very quickly, they have no idea what they're talking about.

00:28:36.540 They've never used, they've never probably even held a gun before.

00:28:39.920 They don't even know the difference between the different types of firearms.

00:28:42.400 They have no clue what they're talking about.

00:28:44.160 And yet they want to ban it.

00:28:45.380 And it would seem it would behoove you, it's your responsibility at a minimum, if you're going to advocate for banning something, at least learn what it is first and what it actually does.

00:28:57.400 So that goes from being funny to then when you think about it, it actually just ticks you off.

00:29:04.420 All right.

00:29:06.420 I have one more thing I need to discuss before we get to emails.

00:29:09.160 And I save this for last, even though it's probably the most important issue of the day.

00:29:12.220 I don't make a habit of attacking my coworkers in public.

00:29:17.740 Mostly I attack them in private.

00:29:19.380 But one of my Daily Wire colleagues last night lashed out with the most bigoted attack I've ever seen.

00:29:33.040 And it was something that, well, Amanda Prestigiacomo, she's, if you read the site, you know the name. 0.88

00:29:39.800 She writes a lot of the articles.

00:29:40.700 She gets approximately 95 trillion hits a day on her articles, I think.

00:29:45.360 And I like her stuff generally.

00:29:47.120 But this tweet crossed the line.

00:29:52.920 Essentially, it amounts to her coming out as a Nazi. 0.98

00:29:56.000 It's basically what it is.

00:29:58.420 So I want you to take a look at this.

00:29:59.680 Here's the tweet.

00:30:00.200 And, like I said, I'm very sorry that I need to publicly denounce someone who works for the same company.

00:30:10.260 But what choice do I have?

00:30:11.220 She says, this is a really weird pet peeve of mine, and it's probably crazy.

00:30:15.660 But I really dislike men who are not on the beach wearing flip-flops.

00:30:20.500 What if a woman has a flat tire and you have to help? 1.00

00:30:22.680 What if there's some sort of altercation?

00:30:24.300 You can't react in flip-flops.

00:30:25.600 Now, underneath this outlandish, prejudiced, discriminatory screed, there are a bunch of women agreeing somehow and insisting that, as men, we should forfeit our First Amendment rights to wear flip-flops.

00:30:43.860 Including, I should add, Allie Stuckey, a former colleague of mine at The Blaze.

00:30:48.380 And this, I'm just going after everybody now, but what am I going to do?

00:30:52.300 Generally, her stuff also is good.

00:30:54.360 But she, and look at this, you aren't going to believe it.

00:30:57.260 She says, no one needs to see man toes. 0.99

00:31:02.780 Apparently, Allie hasn't learned, doesn't realize, that body shaming is illegal in the United States.

00:31:09.160 Now, I need to speak up here, because sandal shaming has become one of the great crises of our time.

00:31:19.200 Men, like myself, who wear sandals, especially flip-flops, we are subjected to harassment, abuse, murder.

00:31:30.740 Yes, men are murdered routinely for wearing flip-flops.

00:31:34.340 It happens all the time.

00:31:38.600 And it has to end.

00:31:40.220 I'm not going to be ashamed of my sandals.

00:31:42.900 I won't be ashamed of my feet.

00:31:45.160 My feet, which are elegant and beautiful.

00:31:49.960 And if I wear socks with my sandals, which I do, it is not because I am ashamed of my feet.

00:31:56.020 It is because I am proud of my socks.

00:31:58.780 Okay?

00:31:59.780 This whole notion that sandals are unmanly is absurd.

00:32:03.460 Unmanly?

00:32:04.660 Do your research.

00:32:06.480 Read a history book.

00:32:09.120 History of sandals.

00:32:10.160 Pick it up.

00:32:10.560 That's a real book, I think.

00:32:12.960 You know who wore sandals?

00:32:14.220 The Vikings.

00:32:16.280 The Vikings were unmanly?

00:32:17.760 Really?

00:32:18.520 You think the Vikings couldn't change attire?

00:32:20.060 I mean, they probably couldn't because they weren't familiar with the technology.

00:32:21.840 But, I mean, you get my point.

00:32:23.300 Guess who else wore sandals?

00:32:24.880 Alexander the Great.

00:32:27.540 Gandalf.

00:32:29.020 William Wallace.

00:32:31.520 Aristotle.

00:32:34.060 Socrates.

00:32:35.400 Okay?

00:32:36.360 All of them.

00:32:37.480 Sandalwares.

00:32:38.020 But, sure, yeah, I guess it would have been better if they all were never born, according to Amanda.

00:32:43.560 Is that what you want?

00:32:44.420 You say, they shouldn't have been born at all.

00:32:46.840 That's what you said.

00:32:48.380 That's a direct quote.

00:32:50.360 So, how about this?

00:32:51.140 I'm going to end this debate right here, and then we're going to move on.

00:32:53.500 But, let me, I want you to, I'm going to show you something.

00:32:59.120 Look at this photograph.

00:33:00.760 Okay?

00:33:00.980 You see this?

00:33:01.820 Who is that?

00:33:02.160 Who's in that photograph right there?

00:33:03.820 That's just someone named Jesus Christ.

00:33:05.380 That's all.

00:33:06.960 Of Nazareth.

00:33:08.820 Although, by this picture, you'd think maybe it was from Minnesota because he's pretty white.

00:33:12.840 He's maybe a lot whiter than you thought he would be, given that he's a Middle Eastern man. 1.00

00:33:16.680 But, that's not the point.

00:33:17.740 The point, I want you to zoom in.

00:33:19.200 Let's zoom in.

00:33:19.780 Now, what are on his feet?

00:33:22.380 You tell me.

00:33:24.020 What are on Jesus' feet?

00:33:26.380 Sandals.

00:33:27.640 Flip-flops, no less.

00:33:30.560 And what is he doing in sandals?

00:33:32.520 Oh, nothing but just walking on water.

00:33:35.460 So, I want you to think about that.

00:33:37.760 Anyone out there, next time you think of shaming a man for his flip-flops, think about that.

00:33:44.420 WWJD.

00:33:46.120 That's all.

00:33:47.520 All right.

00:33:48.140 We'll go to emails.

00:33:48.960 MattWalshshow at gmail.com.

00:33:51.040 MattWalshshow at gmail.com.

00:33:55.280 This one from Lenny.

00:33:56.360 I love this email because it's a pretty hilarious backhanded compliment, and that's why I'm going to read it.

00:34:00.960 It says, Matt, I have to confess that I hated your show at first.

00:34:03.300 I thought it was preachy and boring, and you seemed completely humorless.

00:34:06.540 I really wish that you would be fired for a long time.

00:34:09.300 But I came back to your show a few months ago, and either you've changed completely or I have.

00:34:14.680 Now I find you hilarious and very interesting.

00:34:16.680 You're my favorite show on the Daily Wire now, the one I make sure to listen to every day.

00:34:19.560 Maybe I misjudged you. 0.99

00:34:20.800 I still think you're kind of a jerk, and you get overly emotional about things sometimes and seem to ramble too much at points. 1.00

00:34:25.740 But that's part of your charm. 1.00

00:34:27.640 I'm now a huge fan, though.

00:34:29.300 There isn't another show out there quite like yours, and I love it.

00:34:32.240 There was just so much insulting and complimenting packed into one paragraph there, and I really appreciate that.

00:34:43.560 It's a little bewildering.

00:34:45.760 I'm not sure.

00:34:46.360 You know, that's one of those things where someone says that, and your first reaction is, what?

00:34:50.080 And you're like, oh, okay, thanks.

00:34:51.180 But then when you leave, you're thinking, hold on a second.

00:34:54.520 Should I be happy now or what?

00:34:56.580 But let's see here.

00:35:01.520 This is from Maggie.

00:35:03.540 Says, Matt, your comments on Twitter about push presents were very dangerous for your health.

00:35:08.280 My recommendation, get your wife a push present. 1.00

00:35:11.020 Don't ask questions.

00:35:13.780 Yeah, so my wife, what she's referencing, my wife recently brought up this thing called push presents. 1.00

00:35:19.640 I don't know.

00:35:19.940 Have you heard of push presents?

00:35:21.520 Well, I had to Google it, and my wife is pregnant, by the way. 0.54

00:35:25.620 That's an important part of this story.

00:35:29.340 But a push present is apparently presents that evidently the husband is supposed to buy for the wife as a congratulations, I guess, for the fact that she gave birth.

00:35:39.760 Here's my point, and this is what Maggie is referencing.

00:35:42.560 And really, this should be uncontroversial.

00:35:44.360 But I think that the man should be receiving the push present because I think you could argue, and I tried to explain this to my wife, you could argue that pregnancy is harder on the man than it is on the woman. 0.61

00:36:00.080 Now, yeah, she's the one who has the physical side effects to wrestle with, but I think the emotional toll on the man having to deal with, I mean, not deal with, deal with, but listen.

00:36:13.040 All I'm saying is that sometimes it can tend to be, you know, trying.

00:36:18.540 Well, not trying.

00:36:19.380 I don't mean trying.

00:36:20.240 But, you know, women, when they're pregnant, can be difficult. 1.00

00:36:26.860 Not difficult, but you get, so anyway, I hope my wife doesn't watch this show. 0.99

00:36:34.980 Let's move on.

00:36:36.240 From Aaron says, hi, Matt.

00:36:38.900 Matt, a few times now I've heard you almost flirt with the lie of evolution.

00:36:43.080 You've never come out and explicitly said that you believe in it.

00:36:46.160 I'm wondering if you have the guts to do that if you really do believe it.

00:36:49.360 I'm sure you must recognize that evolution is called a theory for a reason.

00:36:53.020 It's just a guess made by scientists with an agenda.

00:36:56.340 They want to think we are descended from chimps because they want us to live in a godless world.

00:37:02.600 I hope that you have not been deceived, but I'm afraid, based on your comments, that you have.

00:37:12.300 Hello, Aaron.

00:37:13.980 First of all, and thanks for bringing this up, actually, because I think it's a really interesting subject.

00:37:20.660 But, first of all, don't accuse me of flirting with evolution.

00:37:23.800 I'm married.

00:37:24.360 I would never do that.

00:37:25.240 Second, you ask me if I believe in it.

00:37:29.020 Well, evolution is not a religious doctrine.

00:37:32.440 I don't know if believe in it is really the best phrasing.

00:37:35.420 I get what you're saying.

00:37:37.020 I just, that phrasing seems weird to me.

00:37:41.140 Do I think that the evidence overwhelmingly points in its direction?

00:37:45.280 Yes.

00:37:46.340 Because it does.

00:37:48.060 It simply does.

00:37:49.460 That's all.

00:37:50.380 And I think any honest reading of the science behind it will lead you to that conclusion.

00:37:58.660 Now, let me try to clear up a few things here.

00:38:03.080 Because these are common misconceptions.

00:38:05.060 And there's a few things you said in your email that are factually incorrect.

00:38:08.380 And so I want to clear those up.

00:38:11.080 Because I really believe that there are a significant number of Christians in America who either flat out reject evolution

00:38:18.400 or are skeptical about it.

00:38:22.600 I think maybe for a lot of them, if they understood what the theory really is,

00:38:26.940 and I don't mean this as an insult, I think that a lot of people, they really don't know what it is.

00:38:30.880 They don't really understand what the claim is.

00:38:34.680 And that's what I notice anyway when I talk to people about it.

00:38:37.820 Because they say things that are, well, no, that's not evolution.

00:38:41.140 Okay, so for instance, you say it's just a theory.

00:38:44.240 Which is like a guess.

00:38:45.980 Well, that's wrong.

00:38:46.800 That's incorrect.

00:38:47.200 It's a popular misconception again.

00:38:49.700 But theory, in a scientific sense, is not a guess.

00:38:54.540 It's not what's meant by the word.

00:38:57.260 It's not how you define scientific theory.

00:39:00.640 It's not a hypothesis either.

00:39:04.040 A hypothesis is a separate thing.

00:39:08.920 It leads up to a theory.

00:39:11.020 So it might begin with a hypothesis.

00:39:13.060 But a theory in science, here's what it means.

00:39:15.860 It means something that is explanatory.

00:39:18.860 It is a tested, verified explanation for what we observe in nature.

00:39:26.720 That's what a theory is.

00:39:28.920 So I can't stress this enough.

00:39:30.780 The phrase, just a scientific theory, is absurd.

00:39:34.260 It's what you're saying is, well, it's just a tested and verified explanation.

00:39:38.200 The just in that sentence seems kind of out of place, you know?

00:39:44.760 Now, why do you think we still speak of the germ theory of disease or the theory of relativity or the heliocentric theory or the theory of gravity?

00:39:54.020 Does that mean that gravity, germs, and the Earth's orbit are all guesses?

00:39:58.400 They aren't facts we don't know?

00:40:00.660 No.

00:40:01.440 They are facts.

00:40:03.200 It is a fact that the Earth orbits around the sun.

00:40:06.480 It is a fact that germs cause disease.

00:40:08.600 It is a fact that gravity is a fact.

00:40:14.200 But they are explanatory facts, and that's why we call them theories.

00:40:18.360 Okay, now, evolution.

00:40:23.900 Here's why it's a theory.

00:40:25.700 Which is to say, here's how it has risen to that lofty level of being a scientific theory.

00:40:33.500 Because Darwin came up with a workable model to explain the diversity of life on Earth.

00:40:41.980 And a workable, testable model.

00:40:45.280 And that's how real science works.

00:40:50.820 And I know the word science is thrown around a lot these days, and there are people claiming things that are science that aren't.

00:40:54.980 We just gave an example of that with Rashida Tlaib.

00:40:57.100 But if it's real science, that means it's testable.

00:41:00.260 You can go and test it.

00:41:02.260 You don't have to take anyone's word for it.

00:41:03.900 You don't have to take it on faith.

00:41:05.000 You can go and look at it.

00:41:06.840 Test it.

00:41:07.300 Ever since he postulated the theory of evolution, subsequent discoveries have consistently confirmed it, while nothing has disconfirmed it.

00:41:20.860 So I'll say that again.

00:41:21.540 Every relevant discovery, every relevant discovery since that theory has had the effect of confirming it.

00:41:33.400 There has not been one relevant discovery to have a significant disconfirming effect.

00:41:39.360 So his theory had predictive power, which is how you know it's good.

00:41:44.660 Keep in mind, Darwin, he came out with the origin of species.

00:41:48.360 It wasn't yet known that the Earth is 4 billion years old.

00:41:53.740 Which it is, by the way.

00:41:55.240 It's certainly several billion years old.

00:41:57.460 We know that.

00:41:57.880 And he didn't know about genetics either.

00:42:01.340 Mendel was working on that sort of parallel to Darwin, but they weren't working together on it.

00:42:07.400 Yet, in order for Darwin's idea to work, the Earth would need to be billions of years old.

00:42:13.720 And there would need to be some kind of mechanism whereby our traits are passed down through the generations.

00:42:21.100 And what do you know?

00:42:22.600 Subsequent discoveries in geology and genetics, as well as archaeology, paleontology, chemistry, cosmology,

00:42:27.880 really every field of study, have confirmed that.

00:42:31.500 They've all lined up perfectly with what was originally proposed.

00:42:37.780 So that's really powerful.

00:42:40.680 You know, it really is.

00:42:43.700 It's just like the scientists who came up, based on mathematical equations,

00:42:53.820 you had scientists who came up with this idea that black holes must exist somewhere in the universe,

00:42:59.660 and then what do you know?

00:43:01.780 A few months ago, we actually found one.

00:43:04.900 So that's a really good theory.

00:43:06.780 When you come up with it, when you say, okay, if I'm right about this,

00:43:09.580 we're going to discover X, Y, Z,

00:43:11.760 and then we do discover X, Y, Z.

00:43:14.060 Well, that is very powerful.

00:43:15.920 That is a very, very strong indication that the original idea was largely correct.

00:43:19.380 I focus on genetics because that's really where it's at.

00:43:22.220 People get caught up on fossils and everything, but fossils really almost don't matter.

00:43:26.860 The fossils do confirm evolution.

00:43:28.560 The stuff about how there's a missing link and we haven't found it, that's not true.

00:43:32.860 That's false.

00:43:33.660 We do have the fossils.

00:43:35.200 We have the links.

00:43:35.960 But the vast majority, I mean, the vast, vast, vast, vast majority of life forms

00:43:40.220 that have ever existed on Earth are not going to fossilize

00:43:42.920 because you need a certain specific condition for fossilization to occur.

00:43:46.880 Most life forms will not fossilize.

00:43:50.500 And the small, small minority that do fossilize, the vast majority of those will never be found.

00:43:56.960 So what that tells you is that fossils are important, but you can only learn so much from that

00:44:03.380 because the sample size is going to be so small.

00:44:06.380 And that's why genetics is so important.

00:44:09.020 This, to me, this is the whole thing.

00:44:11.260 According to Darwin, what he said, long before anyone could actually confirm this,

00:44:14.620 but he said that we are most closely related to chimpanzees

00:44:18.020 and then further down the family tree would be mice and dogs and things like that.

00:44:22.760 And then further away would be fish and other life, lower life forms.

00:44:28.460 And by the way, let me back up because you had another mistake in what you said.

00:44:32.380 You said that, you know, we're descended from chimps.

00:44:36.340 That's not the theory of it.

00:44:37.760 It's not, no, that's not what, that's not how the theory goes.

00:44:40.780 Nobody thinks we're descended from chimps any more than you are descended from your cousin. 0.89

00:44:45.240 And this is why when people say, oh, well, if we're really descended from chimps,

00:44:47.660 then how do chimps still exist?

00:44:49.180 That's like saying, if you're really, if I'm really descended from my grandfather,

00:44:52.280 then how does my cousin exist?

00:44:53.640 It doesn't make any sense.

00:44:54.580 The idea is that 7 million years ago, we shared a common ancestor.

00:44:59.520 It's not, it's not a direct line.

00:45:01.160 Like we are, like, you know, your, your great grandfather was a chimpanzee.

00:45:04.400 It's, we share a common ancestor a long time ago.

00:45:08.300 That's what the theory says.

00:45:09.980 Okay.

00:45:10.740 So, and that's, and that's what Darwin proposed.

00:45:14.360 Well, finally, a century later, when we could look at the human genome,

00:45:18.880 we found that, what do you know, we shared 99% of our DNA with chimps.

00:45:25.180 A little bit less with mice, far less with fish, and on and on down the line.

00:45:30.180 Okay.

00:45:30.920 What is that, a coincidence?

00:45:33.620 I think genetics just puts to rest any reasonable doubt on this subject,

00:45:38.160 because we could look at our genes and we can see the familiar relationships.

00:45:43.520 So either Darwin was basically right,

00:45:46.660 although he wasn't right about everything he said, obviously,

00:45:48.640 but he was basically right, or, or God is trying to trick us.

00:45:53.340 God is playing a fun little trick by making our DNA exactly match

00:45:57.580 what the evolutionary theory predicts.

00:46:00.920 What to you seems more likely?

00:46:04.020 This, again, genetics, this is a testable, workable thing.

00:46:08.920 We know that it works.

00:46:11.180 Scientists can go into a laboratory, they can look at your genes,

00:46:14.640 and they can tell you who you're related to, and they will be right.

00:46:17.860 Because you can establish relations through genetics.

00:46:23.800 And it's by that same system, in that same field of study,

00:46:27.800 where they can establish relations between the species.

00:46:33.120 Which is exactly what you would expect if Darwin was right.

00:46:37.940 And it's exactly what you would not expect if Darwin was wrong.

00:46:43.480 If Darwin was wrong, then when we were finally able to look at the human genome,

00:46:47.560 we should have discovered that there is no similarity at all between us and chimpanzees.

00:46:53.820 That's what we should have discovered if he was wrong.

00:46:56.320 But we discovered the opposite.

00:46:57.400 And there have been many, many, many other confirmations of evolutionary theory over the last many decades.

00:47:04.780 You know, one of them is that we have seen it happen.

00:47:07.720 We have watched it happen.

00:47:09.280 We have observed evolution happening in real time.

00:47:12.980 For example, certain species of moths during the Industrial Revolution,

00:47:17.480 over the last 100, 200 years, have turned darker.

00:47:24.180 Okay?

00:47:24.900 Why is that?

00:47:25.840 Because, well, because darker blends in more with the environment now,

00:47:28.680 living in a concrete jungle with air pollution and everything else.

00:47:31.680 How does that happen?

00:47:33.660 Natural selection.

00:47:35.320 And this was really Darwin's innovation.

00:47:37.340 Evolutionary theory predates him.

00:47:39.120 Natural selection was his thing.

00:47:40.420 Actually, there was someone else who at the same time came up with a similar idea.

00:47:42.860 But in any case, natural selection is very simple.

00:47:49.860 Genetic mutations produce different traits in living things.

00:47:57.040 There's nothing theoretical about that.

00:47:58.720 We know that, right?

00:47:59.420 You would agree.

00:48:00.060 You have genetic mutations, and they produce different traits.

00:48:04.020 Okay?

00:48:04.380 Agreed, right?

00:48:04.940 We all agree.

00:48:05.520 Okay.

00:48:05.660 Now, those genetic traits are passed down through the generations through reproduction.

00:48:15.360 You would agree, correct?

00:48:16.460 I mean, no one disagrees with that.

00:48:18.520 Okay, great.

00:48:21.000 Some traits are going to be advantageous for survival, and some won't be.

00:48:27.380 So, the creatures that have those advantageous traits are more likely to survive, thus are

00:48:36.140 more likely to reproduce.

00:48:37.940 And so, those traits are going to pass down, while the traits that are not advantageous for

00:48:42.820 survival are going to die off, because the people with those, whatever creature we're 0.76

00:48:48.280 talking about, whether it's moths or people or whatever, are going to die off.

00:48:51.600 So, that's the whole thing.

00:48:54.780 That's it.

00:48:57.380 And in 100 years or 200 years, it can produce mild changes, like a moth changing color.

00:49:03.920 So, this is my point.

00:49:05.220 No one thinks that it's, you know, you hear this analogy sometimes where evolution is like,

00:49:11.760 it's like claiming that, you know, if you took a bunch of pieces of metal and jumbled

00:49:15.980 them together, you'd end up with a Boeing 747.

00:49:19.380 That's not what evolutionary theory, of course, that's absurd.

00:49:23.020 That wouldn't happen, right?

00:49:24.120 It's not what it says.

00:49:25.920 It just says it's descent with modification.

00:49:28.560 It's the, you have certain traits, advantageous for survival, those are going to live on,

00:49:35.180 while the ones that are not advantageous die off.

00:49:37.360 And then, over time, you have gradual changes.

00:49:41.000 In 100 years, we can see a moth change color.

00:49:45.500 We've seen that.

00:49:46.480 In 100 million years, so a million times longer, the changes will be more significant.

00:49:54.740 That makes a lot of sense, doesn't it?

00:49:57.080 So, what's the issue here?

00:49:58.360 It's perfectly sensible, confirmed by science, observable, testable, logical, no problem.

00:50:05.860 And, you know, you can, that's why I would just, if people just understood what it actually

00:50:17.320 is, I think a lot of this controversy would go away.

00:50:22.120 And when I say study it, you know, to go on Google and type in how to debunk evolution

00:50:29.520 or whatever, you know, and we all study things that way.

00:50:32.640 I think a lot of us, when we claim that we research something, that's really what we did.

00:50:36.940 Where we had our conclusion already in mind, based on our preconceived notions, and then

00:50:42.700 we look specifically for talking points on the internet that would help us support that

00:50:47.700 conclusion.

00:50:48.120 That's not research.

00:50:52.120 That's not what research is.

00:50:54.460 You gotta look, you have to look at the whole context of something.

00:50:57.780 And you have to try to find sources that do not appear to be propaganda, that don't have

00:51:03.280 clear biases.

00:51:05.200 Everybody has a bias.

00:51:06.060 But if there's a clear bias, a clear vested interest in a certain conclusion, you gotta stay

00:51:12.280 away from those sources as much as possible.

00:51:13.980 And at the very least, read both sides.

00:51:18.280 So, with evolution, don't just read some debunking website without actually going to the scientists

00:51:26.080 themselves and seeing what they, read a whole book written by a scientist explaining what

00:51:31.600 evolution is.

00:51:32.000 There's a lot of books out there like this.

00:51:33.980 Read it yourself.

00:51:35.960 Don't have someone else tell you what's wrong with it.

00:51:38.660 Read it yourself.

00:51:39.820 Read the whole book.

00:51:41.280 The whole thing.

00:51:42.160 Just one book.

00:51:42.700 I challenge you to that, Aaron.

00:51:44.280 I challenge you.

00:51:45.500 Find a book explaining evolution, not written by someone who's a skeptic debunking it, giving

00:51:50.380 you talking, but a whole book explaining what it is.

00:51:53.460 Read the whole book.

00:51:55.380 That's it.

00:51:55.900 That's my whole challenge.

00:51:59.340 Now, how does this affect things theologically?

00:52:02.980 Well, not at all, as far as I can tell.

00:52:05.440 God has obviously chosen to create things in a gradual way.

00:52:08.780 So what?

00:52:09.600 That's fine.

00:52:10.300 God guides the formation and development of life, and he does it gradually.

00:52:14.600 I see no issue there.

00:52:16.780 I see no problem with it.

00:52:18.440 Does that mean that we can't interpret the, you know, the Genesis 100% literally?

00:52:23.740 Yeah, it does.

00:52:24.340 But again, so what?

00:52:25.940 Some things in the Bible are not literal.

00:52:28.840 The Bible talks about the sun moving in the sky around the earth.

00:52:34.640 That's what the Bible talks about.

00:52:36.900 Now, we know that that is not literally true.

00:52:40.900 The earth moves around the sun, not the other way around.

00:52:44.400 A lot of people, for hundreds, for many centuries, a lot of people thought that those verses that

00:52:52.420 seem to indicate a heliocentric model of the universe thought that those verses were

00:52:56.880 literal.

00:52:57.260 And that's what got Galileo in trouble when he came along and said, eh, no.

00:53:03.320 And so a lot of people did what I think some Christians are doing today, where they're saying,

00:53:08.920 no, there's no way to interpret this metaphorically.

00:53:12.860 It's got to be literal.

00:53:14.380 And so therefore, I insist that the sun moves around the earth.

00:53:18.500 Well, eventually, you just can't.

00:53:20.620 It's a fact.

00:53:21.760 I mean, heliocentrism is a fact.

00:53:23.680 You can't get around it.

00:53:24.740 And so Christians were prompted at that point to go back and realize that they had misinterpreted

00:53:35.080 the verses that they thought were literal, apparently were not exactly.

00:53:39.340 And that's fine.

00:53:43.200 And my point is simply that you can't really take this high and mighty pose of, well, no,

00:53:49.500 I take God at his word.

00:53:51.020 I think we should take God at his word, too.

00:53:52.460 The question is, what is he trying to say?

00:53:56.000 We know the Bible is a book with many different genres saying and doing many different things.

00:54:00.520 It's not one book written by one person with every page and every chapter and every book

00:54:06.100 within it trying to do and communicate and say the exact same thing.

00:54:08.980 That's not the case.

00:54:10.120 Yet dozens of authors over a thousand years doing and saying different things.

00:54:13.460 The question is, how do you interpret it?

00:54:19.180 And that's one of the questions with theology and exegesis.

00:54:24.060 But you can't take this high and mighty pose of, oh, no, I refuse to take any of this metaphorically.

00:54:28.480 You do take it metaphorically.

00:54:30.100 You do take this stuff metaphorically.

00:54:31.740 If we were having this conversation 600 years ago, you would be insisting that the sun goes around the earth.

00:54:39.800 And you would be saying that for me to claim otherwise is to call God a liar.

00:54:44.620 But now you accept.

00:54:46.380 What was once a theological controversy, you accept is there's really only one side to it.

00:54:52.360 Here's the cost of taking it literally.

00:54:58.480 Fine.

00:54:59.580 You can read Genesis literally.

00:55:02.820 But then how do you read human DNA?

00:55:07.920 You know, God wrote that too, didn't he?

00:55:10.860 In fact, he wrote that more directly.

00:55:13.700 We don't believe that God literally reached down with his hand out of the sky and wrote the Bible physically.

00:55:19.480 He inspired the biblical authors.

00:55:24.260 DNA, though, that's direct.

00:55:26.580 He wrote DNA.

00:55:28.120 And it is quite a complex, fascinating, beautiful code.

00:55:35.000 Well, if Genesis is literal, then human DNA, which clearly points to familial relationships between species,

00:55:44.180 is a bit of trickery on the part of God.

00:55:47.840 God is fooling us.

00:55:51.760 You know, God knowing that the evolutionary theory would one day be formulated.

00:56:01.080 Knowing that.

00:56:02.720 Knowing that after the formulation of that theory, we would be able to look at human DNA and draw these conclusions.

00:56:10.640 Knowing all that, God still made it seem as if we are related in some way to chimpanzees.

00:56:19.780 That to me seems like you're calling God a liar there.

00:56:23.760 You're telling us he's lying to us through our genetic code.

00:56:27.600 Or what?

00:56:31.220 Testing our faith?

00:56:34.060 What kind of test is that? 0.72

00:56:35.640 The test is don't believe your lying eyes.

00:56:40.420 The test is don't follow the evidence.

00:56:44.700 What is the lesson from God?

00:56:46.220 Don't look at the DNA.

00:56:47.380 You've gone too far.

00:56:48.280 I didn't want you to know about this. 0.94

00:56:49.580 I mean, you know, it just gets ridiculous.

00:56:51.400 I think there's no problem with the DNA says what it says.

00:56:58.060 Genetics points where it points.

00:57:00.880 And that's it.

00:57:03.220 And God is telling us something.

00:57:06.740 And we can believe what God is telling us.

00:57:10.700 God is telling us something through Genesis as well.

00:57:13.300 Well, I'm just suggesting that maybe, Aaron, you're a little bit wrong about what God is telling us.

00:57:22.600 Maybe you might have misinterpreted it.

00:57:26.600 It is possible.

00:57:29.020 So you can't come to me and say, oh, you're saying God is, you know, I'm not talking about God.

00:57:33.480 I'm talking about you.

00:57:34.220 I'm saying that maybe you have misinterpreted.

00:57:39.020 All right.

00:57:39.580 But I do appreciate the, I really do appreciate bringing that up because I think it's a really interesting subject.

00:57:46.560 And I find it fascinating, you know, and I really love to learn about the physical world and how life developed and all that.

00:57:56.600 I just find it so interesting.

00:57:58.560 And I think that Christians should not shy away from that. 1.00

00:58:01.740 I think we should embrace this because it's amazing and fascinating and beautiful.

00:58:08.620 And there's nothing to be afraid of.

00:58:13.580 All right.

00:58:14.160 We will leave it there.

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The Matt Walsh Show - September 26, 2019

Ep. 340 - Another Failed Bombshell

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