The Matt Walsh Show - September 30, 2019


Ep. 342 - NBC Spreads Fake News While Accusing Others Of Fake News


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00:00:00.000 can we all just be uh completely honest about something for a minute and i'm putting politics
00:00:05.500 aside just just being completely honest can we agree at least that the 1998 impeachment series
00:00:12.180 was way more entertaining and and just better all around than the reboot in 2019 i mean sure
00:00:18.280 you've got the outlandish characters this time around trump obviously giuliani joe biden some
00:00:23.500 good characters but i'm not sure that they're really better than the characters in the original
00:00:28.700 um and and i mean but the main thing is you can only do so much with characters it all comes down
00:00:34.680 to plot for me you know as a viewer um and uh the central plot just isn't nearly as absorbing it's
00:00:42.720 just in the original show you had sex uh lies you know betrayal it was uh it was really it was
00:00:51.300 critics at the time of course said it veered a little bit too much in a soap opera territory but
00:00:54.800 but which it did but this is impeachment we're talking about that's what the show is supposed
00:00:59.140 to be like and this time it's as if the producer said oh no it was too soap opera last time so we're
00:01:05.440 gonna we're gonna intentionally make this as dry as possible so it all revolves around a phone call
00:01:10.100 think about what the first first impeachment series revolved around think about that
00:01:14.340 and this time we have a phone call it's just plus i don't want to bring this up but uh but someone
00:01:21.220 has to mention but you know the the the uh impeachment 98 had a whole host of fascinating
00:01:28.940 female characters lewinski paula jones even hillary clinton with her corella de vil impression was was
00:01:36.580 was pretty interesting but this time there's there's basically no female characters all the female
00:01:41.620 characters have been replaced by men now all the talk we do about representation making sure people
00:01:47.820 are represented is that in 2019 is that really a choice that can be justified yeah they brought
00:01:52.840 back nancy pelosi and everything but she just is not she's the least compelling female character and
00:01:58.480 she's the only one that carries over anyway um i don't we can just hope that the show picks up steam
00:02:04.220 in later episodes and if it doesn't then we also know that um i'm sure they'll reboot it again in a few
00:02:10.480 years and and i guess we can hope that that reboot lives up to the expectations set by the 98 series
00:02:15.980 and that's all i'm going to say about that okay um lots to talk about today including
00:02:21.360 and in fact we're going to begin with nbc news calling out myself and uh ben shapiro and the
00:02:30.400 daily wire in general for alleged fake news they say that we we uh are responsible for a fake news story
00:02:38.380 but in the not so twist ending they are the ones propagating the the fake news it's going to shock you
00:02:45.260 to learn that so we're going to talk about that in just a moment but first a word from our friends
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00:04:50.260 last week the daily wire reported that a drug called lupron used as a puberty blocker for transgender
00:05:01.580 children has been linked to thousands of deaths now shortly after this story was published nbc news
00:05:09.400 and there were other left-wing uh outlets and and people who who also jumped on this but nbc news in
00:05:18.860 particular denounced the daily wire for pushing fake news quote-unquote naming myself and ben shapiro
00:05:24.980 as the culprits who shared and disseminated what they called quote anti-transgender rhetoric ironically
00:05:32.000 as i said before their their article debunking our fake news is itself fake news and i want to talk
00:05:37.620 about this and get into it because it touches on how the media twists things um and also when when when
00:05:47.900 you hear a a left-wing outlet like nbc news talking about fake news well we start to see what they
00:05:54.920 really mean by that and also the actual issue here which isn't what the daily wire wrote or or anything
00:06:02.600 like that the actual issue is is these drugs themselves that are being given to kids so it
00:06:07.060 deals with all that and that's why i want to talk about this nbc explains in their in their article
00:06:11.580 that um lupron is often used to treat prostate cancer in adult men and uh and and most of the
00:06:20.920 deaths associated with the drug are quote likely among these patients adult men prostate cancer
00:06:28.060 that's what the drug is usually used for now that's that's no doubt probably the case
00:06:34.920 most of the deaths most of the adverse reactions to the drugs um are going to be among
00:06:41.900 people with prostate cancer who are using the drugs to treat that cancer the daily wire never said
00:06:49.320 otherwise i never said otherwise in fact in the original report on the site it specifically notes
00:06:55.140 that lupron is being prescribed off label as a hormone blocker for gender confused children
00:07:01.220 but i want you to think about what nbc is doing here they are defending the use of this potentially
00:07:09.860 dangerous drug among physically healthy children on the basis that well it's really designed for use
00:07:17.900 among terminally ill men that's their defense of the drug they're saying no no no no no see here this
00:07:25.060 is fake news really this drug is designed for terminally ill men with prostate cancer and and and that's
00:07:30.880 why we've had these adverse reactions yes exactly yet this drug that is supposed to be used in that way
00:07:38.480 or in in in other cases where people are suffering from actual real physical problems
00:07:46.320 a drug meant for that designed for that is being given to physically healthy children
00:07:54.500 whose only problem is that they are confused about their gender and they're probably only
00:08:00.760 confused about it because their parents have haven't helped to clarify the issue
00:08:05.340 in in in most of these cases even the confusion itself which is not a physical problem but even
00:08:13.660 the confusion itself in most of these cases are going to go back to parenting but don't worry says nbc
00:08:19.280 lupron is just is you know it's it's it's it's just chemically castrating those children
00:08:24.160 that's all most of the people who die from it are adults sure we don't really know that the risks
00:08:30.540 inherent in suppressing the normal growth and development of children who are confused about
00:08:34.620 their gender we don't we don't really know all the risks we don't really know what it's doing to them
00:08:39.420 long term we have no we have no real sample size at all okay you're not going to find a lot of
00:08:46.760 adults who are in their 50s now and have been on this stuff for 40 years or who used this you know
00:08:54.700 or who or who used this 40 years ago so we don't really exactly know but nbc says but i don't you
00:09:03.800 know it don't worry it's probably not killing them it's probably the people that are dying from it
00:09:08.160 probably the adults um and uh and as far as we know anyway and so we don't have to worry about it
00:09:13.980 but forget about the adverse side effects for a minute all right the desired effect the desired
00:09:22.940 effect of a drug like lupron in a healthy child is adverse so we're not talking about adverse side
00:09:30.720 effects let's talk about the adverse effects the main effects it is intended to interfere with the
00:09:39.200 normal natural development of the child the whole point is to force their bodies to artificially
00:09:46.700 remain in a prepubescent state that's what the drugs are being used for if anything the daily wire
00:09:52.820 vastly understated the dangers involved in this practice um because that wasn't the subject of of
00:10:00.180 the article i thought there was anything dishonest there but the subject of the article was about the
00:10:04.620 side effects but if anything that that you know that leaves aside that that paints a in some ways
00:10:12.740 rosier picture than what is actually the case because the primary effect the desired stated primary
00:10:22.540 effect of these drugs is itself horrible so we don't even need to get into any of the rest of it
00:10:29.200 now nbc quotes a um a guy named dr jack turban who discussed the hazards of quote allowing puberty
00:10:37.840 to progress that's a quote from the nbc article that's a quote them quoting dr dr jack turban them
00:10:44.240 them uncritically quoting him when he says that uh you know there can be problems with quote allowing
00:10:51.420 puberty to progress allowing it to progress see puberty is not a disease it isn't cancer prostate cancer is cancer
00:11:04.800 that's why lupron makes sense in those cases but doctors like jack turban want to treat a healthy normal
00:11:13.420 stage of growth as some sort of malignancy now if nbc was a real news outlet which it isn't but if it
00:11:24.560 were it would be debunking the great and i wouldn't be trying to debunk the daily wire or me it would be
00:11:30.500 debunking the great fraud that's being perpetrated by the medical industry at the expense of these
00:11:35.660 innocent children at the very least it would express some level of skepticism at the claim that puberty
00:11:42.580 should literally be treated like cancer if a child is confused about his gender they have no skepticism
00:11:50.060 of that they don't ask any questions so i say it again these doctors are literally treating puberty
00:12:01.280 like cancer they are prescribing the same things for it that they would for cancer to stop puberty
00:12:09.420 which is normal and healthy it is part of growing for a child
00:12:14.640 no skepticism from not just nbc but but any of these left-wing outlets no more much less moral
00:12:23.340 indignation which is what there really should be these uh these slayers of the fake news dragon are more
00:12:31.240 than happy to present radical far left crazy gender theory as fact they just put it out there as fact
00:12:40.080 they don't need this nothing but this whole this is radical far left this is way into looney tuneville
00:12:50.580 stuff we're talking about and nbc just puts it out there says yep this is how it is
00:12:55.460 they even in their headline of the article uh they call puberty blockers trans health care
00:13:03.640 that's how they refer to it in the in the in the headline they say trans health care
00:13:07.580 because uh you know conservatives are attacking trans health care quote-unquote
00:13:13.480 no indication that this form of quote health care is to put it mildly controversial
00:13:20.960 they don't even bother saying you know uh uh uh alleged trans health care or or or what is
00:13:30.800 reported to be by some trans health care or or controversial trans health they don't put any
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00:15:22.880 special discount today now um in reality of course no drug could ever be an effective treatment for
00:15:32.800 gender dysphoria um uh no matter the age no or i suppose i should say no drug that physically alters
00:15:44.820 the healthy development of a child could ever be an effective treatment for gender dysphoria
00:15:53.560 now whether there could be some kind of mental uh you know some sort of uh drug dealing you know that
00:15:59.900 that's some psychotropic kind of drug that might that i would be very skeptical of too
00:16:03.860 but um this is a mental disorder though that's the point gender dysphoria which is what we're
00:16:12.120 talking about here this is not a physical disorder this is something going on in the mind
00:16:16.100 and i think and one of the reasons i'd be very skeptical of using any kind of drug
00:16:20.920 is that as i said before i i think in most of these cases it really just comes down to parenting
00:16:26.580 it's very simple in most of these cases maybe not all but most the gender dysphoric person feels
00:16:34.180 trapped inside a body that doesn't match that's a direct quote i'm using a phrase from the national
00:16:39.280 health service in the uk that's how they describe it trapped inside a body that doesn't match quote
00:16:45.220 that obviously cannot be anything but a mental disorder obviously it should go without saying
00:16:58.040 that a person cannot actually be trapped in the wrong body that can't actually be happening
00:17:04.220 so if a person feels like that's the case it's something going on in the mind
00:17:09.960 obviously that's the only thing it can be because our minds are not these entirely separate entities
00:17:19.500 that are placed inside our bodies on some sort of cosmic assembly line and something might go wrong
00:17:24.940 in the factory you know manufacturing process and the wrong mind is put into into uh the wrong body
00:17:30.540 that that that can't happen obviously that can't be the case so this is a very strange for sort of
00:17:38.440 dualism that you find going on the people that would affirm this idea like yeah maybe their mind
00:17:44.780 doesn't match their body that is the weirdest kind of dualism this is your this is this is superstitious
00:17:52.760 i mean even and and what makes it even more absurd is that most of the people who subscribe to this and
00:18:00.540 who would affirm it and say this is you know somehow it really can happen that you can end up in the wrong
00:18:04.380 body most of them probably if you ask them given that this is mostly on the left side of the spectrum
00:18:10.320 probably most of them don't even believe in a human soul which is the only way that you can even begin
00:18:15.980 to make sense of that certainly if we have no soul then we're it's just our brain in our body our you
00:18:22.360 know we are our body and nothing more so whatever your body is that's you that's it that's all there is
00:18:28.760 to it there's nothing else that's just you if you feel like you're supposed to be something else or
00:18:34.560 you are you're just you're mistaken why you're mistaken well that's when we get into is there
00:18:39.040 something going on in the brain is there something going on with how you were raised whatever is it
00:18:43.100 some of some of some of both um so when you leave the soul aside there is no way to make sense of this
00:18:50.440 at all it just it cannot be you are your body that's it there cannot be any mismatching
00:18:55.340 but even if you bring the soul into it it still doesn't make any sense
00:18:59.640 because even from the perspective of most people who believe in souls uh it's it's not like your
00:19:06.180 soul your body is some sort of container and your soul is just placed inside it poured inside it like
00:19:11.380 a liquid that's not it and even if it was that way well the only person that could do the pouring
00:19:17.400 of the soul would be god and i think we can assume that he's not going to make a mistake and put the
00:19:21.060 wrong soul in the wrong body so no matter how you look at it whether you're no matter what your
00:19:24.460 metaphysics are no matter if you're religious or not it just there's there's no way to look at this
00:19:28.100 other than if someone feels that way they are mistaken they are deluded they are suffering then
00:19:32.380 either from terrible parenting or a mental disorder or both that's it um i can no more have the wrong
00:19:41.120 sex than i can have the wrong left pinky finger or the wrong eye color i am who i am biologically
00:19:47.760 speaking i cannot be anything more than that anything other than that no matter how i might feel about it
00:19:52.760 if i have trouble accepting my biological nature then the correct treatment must involve
00:19:57.800 and must be directed towards helping me to accept it if i have trouble accepting something that is
00:20:05.900 inevitably and permanently and immutably true such as my biological identity then correct and good
00:20:14.840 treatment would be all about helping me to accept it it would not ever involve deforming mutilating
00:20:22.620 poisoning or castrating me or suppressing my healthy physical development in any way um just to to
00:20:31.120 conform more with my delusional beliefs about myself it could never involve that
00:20:35.320 because that would be exact it would be like if you had an anorexic come in another kind of body
00:20:45.700 dysmorphia anorexic uh someone who's who's you know think of someone who's rail thin has an eating
00:20:51.140 disorder feels like they're overweight they're not they think they are they're so it's a it's a it's a
00:20:57.980 mental health problem and they are that's what they are suffering it is very real suffering it is
00:21:03.820 potentially fatal so what do we do with someone like that we help them to realize who they really are
00:21:12.580 which is not an overweight person we help them to see that that what they perceive about themselves
00:21:19.720 is incorrect
00:21:21.740 but honestly and i and i don't say this as a joke at all this is not a joke
00:21:27.760 to me it seems when you when you have a child who's eight years old or nine years old ten years
00:21:32.500 old it doesn't matter how old the person is when it's a child just makes it all the worse but
00:21:35.600 you got a child a boy says he feels like he's a girl putting it on putting him on puberty blockers
00:21:43.760 so that he can look more like what he feels like even though how he feels is wrong
00:21:51.080 not wrong morally like there's something morally wrong but wrong it's just wrong factually
00:21:57.300 doing that it would be like a an anorexic person coming and saying they feel overweight
00:22:03.980 and so what you prescribe for them is a fun house mirror
00:22:08.020 like at a at a carnival you know those mirrors that you look at it makes you look like you're
00:22:12.520 200 pounds heavier than you are that's what it's like because what you're doing is you're saying
00:22:18.120 this person has delusional feelings about themselves so i'm going to help them see themselves more
00:22:23.280 in that deluded light
00:22:25.100 i mean it it it is like sending an anorexic home with a fun house mirror and diet pills
00:22:34.940 laxatives
00:22:36.680 saying well this is how you feel about yourself so it must be true here's diet pills here's laxatives
00:22:43.460 here's a mirror so that you can better see your true self
00:22:46.940 but of course we would never do that because that would be cruel and insane
00:22:51.600 psychotic to do that to somebody
00:22:54.900 i mean it's you might you're basically murdering them is what you're doing
00:23:00.540 we would never do that with someone like that
00:23:03.520 but with a child who has a very basic confusion and a confusion that probably nine times out of ten can
00:23:12.140 be easily uh corrected what we do instead is we is we start to mess with their bodies
00:23:19.140 and mutilate and deform them it is
00:23:21.700 unbelievably evil
00:23:23.860 and nbc news has
00:23:28.140 nothing but thumbs up and and approval for it
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00:24:58.900 all right let's uh
00:25:02.040 let's go to this we'll we'll we'll uh lighten the mood a little bit
00:25:07.900 so to speak uh in a way we're doing the opposite uh because more footage of justin trudeau in blackface
00:25:15.640 has surfaced and uh i'm not gonna spend a lot of time on this but i just wanted to i mean i have to
00:25:22.280 play it just so you can see if you didn't see this going around online uh here's here's the videos
00:25:27.320 no sound or anything and what you see that's not i don't know exactly when this is from
00:25:33.220 uh i think it might have been from last week and i know i don't think it was last week it's probably
00:25:37.020 much further back than that but he's uh who knows because this guy just this guy loves blackface
00:25:42.100 at this point i think we have more footage of trudeau in blackface than in not in blackface
00:25:46.560 has he ever not been in black do we have we ever actually seen justin trudeau without the blackface
00:25:51.900 i'm now i'm starting to lose count because it just is every day it's another thing uh but you see
00:25:56.600 it's not just blackface he's got black knees too he's he's he's he's painted his whole body he went
00:26:01.340 he went all out he's got the wig he got he's got everything um this is i mean what you see there is
00:26:11.560 is i i i said last week or two weeks ago when this stuff first started coming out that
00:26:18.780 um it's of course it's totally inappropriate justin trudeau deserves to be criticized for it
00:26:25.360 he should be held to his own standards he would be the first one to call someone else racist for this
00:26:29.920 but i said at the time two couple weeks ago that okay with that thing where he was uh
00:26:35.640 he would have originally he was at a talent show or something was that what it was um
00:26:39.460 or no he was dressed as aladdin at a costume party right that was the first one we saw
00:26:43.980 and i said yeah inappropriate objectively speaking i don't know that if i would call it racist
00:26:49.700 because i don't think we could say he had racist intent though that's what he would say about
00:26:55.020 someone else so we should hold him to his own standard again uh but now with more of this stuff
00:26:59.880 coming out it's hard not to see it as just straight up racist it's hard you look at that costume
00:27:05.900 how do you look at that as anything other than straight up racist
00:27:08.960 and how did he not know so to believe it's not racist we would have to believe
00:27:17.320 that he didn't know it was totally innocent he had no idea that there was anything wrong with this
00:27:21.580 but even if that footage is back from the 90s or something i remember the 90s okay i was a kid in
00:27:28.820 the 90s and i knew in the 90s that you don't dress up in blackface i knew that as a kid in the 90s
00:27:34.120 a child so how did he not know that and if he knew and he did it anyway then it seems like we
00:27:41.580 may have real racist intent here either way but hold on a second there's actually more to this this
00:27:46.640 clip um because this is some this is from some boating trip or something that trudeau went on
00:27:51.260 and there's a little bit more to to it watch this okay you've got no sound again but
00:27:57.140 you've got a guy who appears to be on drugs acting like an ostrich i guess or something
00:28:05.260 and then the other guy with the whitest dance moves of all time so what what is happening here
00:28:12.280 was trudeau trying to balance out i mean what what is it what's going on you've got a couple
00:28:19.320 of the whitest things you've ever seen that dancing now i'm no dancer myself but that is
00:28:23.700 that's the whitest dancing i've ever that's that's it that's if any if you look up white
00:28:28.220 dancing in the dictionary it's that it is exactly that to a t so was trudeau trying to balance out
00:28:35.560 the whitest thing ever to happen a corny white dude dancing in a clown wig on a on a rafting trip
00:28:41.500 was he trying to balance that out was he concerned that the sheer volume of whiteness might rip open
00:28:46.920 a hole in the space-time continuum and so we needed to i don't know you know who knows i'm just
00:28:51.420 theorizing but i think we need to talk to trudeau about this we need answers who is the ostrich man
00:28:56.820 who's the dancing man what is he dancing to i'm guessing smash mouth we need to find out we need
00:29:03.920 to know trudeau must answer for this all right by the way um one other thing before we get
00:29:10.280 before we get back to a very serious topic there's a there's a headline from from page six
00:29:16.860 i wanted to show you also the headline you'll take a look at it here it says kate middleton rewears
00:29:23.000 blue alexander mcqueen coat for fourth time i just wanted to show you that because
00:29:28.740 this is just more evidence that society is deteriorating around us fourth time fourth time
00:29:37.800 disgusting i personally i wear my coats once i throw them out after that like a civilized person
00:29:44.180 i walk in my door i toss my coat at the feet of my butler william i say william dispose of that
00:29:51.220 immediately it displeases me i'm shocked to learn that kate middleton lacks my class and sophistication
00:29:57.800 uh i am i am completely floored by that shameful all right um okay so last thing before we get the
00:30:08.300 emails and i i i've been i've been stalling as maybe you can tell because i really don't want to
00:30:13.420 talk about this um because it's so horrifying and stomach churning and i almost feel bad
00:30:20.540 bringing bringing this to you as the viewer or listener but i think i have to because it's it's
00:30:28.860 important um and it's necessary that we face it the new york times has done some real journalism
00:30:35.340 every once in a while they do some real journalism and and here's an example of it this is real
00:30:39.020 journalism and it's about the proliferation of child pornography on the internet the problem well
00:30:46.120 you knew the problem was bad right i think we all we all knew that but it's it's worse than you
00:30:52.480 thought it's certainly worse than i thought much worse i'm not going to read the whole lengthy report
00:30:58.580 that they just published uh i think it was yesterday they published it i recommend you go and look up the
00:31:03.220 article uh titled the internet is overrun with images of child sexual abuse what went wrong now i warn you
00:31:09.320 it is very very very disturbing uh infuriating sickening it does include some descriptions
00:31:15.840 of of some of the things that these that you know police have uncovered in their so far mostly
00:31:23.760 futile attempts to fight this problem um it is like i said much worse in volume than i think we
00:31:32.560 realized consider this all right according to the times report in 1998 there were 3 000 images of
00:31:41.280 child sexual abuse online which is a lot we can all agree in 2008 there was 100 000
00:31:49.600 uh today 10 years after that and 20 years about 20 years after the there was after 1998 when there
00:31:59.740 were 3 000 images there are 45 million images and videos of child sexual sex abuse online 45 million
00:32:09.600 from 100 000 10 years ago 45 million uh i mean 10 years from now what what's it going to be
00:32:22.820 there's an exponential growth rate that has been happening ever since the ever since the internet
00:32:29.600 was a thing right ever since the internet was basically a household item in the late 90s uh
00:32:35.380 there's been this exponential growth infestation maybe it's a better word of child pornography and
00:32:43.860 it's not slowing down it's speeding up in fact and much of it is the worst and most evil and depraved
00:32:51.300 kind of stuff you could possibly imagine very young kids infants in some cases being tortured and raped
00:32:59.480 and um this stuff is being shared through encrypted messages hidden on dark web forums where thousands
00:33:06.540 and thousands of people go to share and view it like i said go to the new york times and read that i just
00:33:11.800 i think it's important for us all to know what's out there um and this is the kind of thing that as a society
00:33:19.620 we should be focusing on this is a problem that and and it should be something that we can all agree on
00:33:28.640 it's one of the only things that we should all be able to agree this is a huge problem
00:33:34.140 something has to be done and drastic steps have to be taken i would think that all those three points
00:33:40.040 we could all agree um the article goes into detail about the trouble that law enforcement has in
00:33:44.360 controlling this because these child raping scumbags are experts in the technology that they need
00:33:49.420 to hide their tracks now think about how monstrous these people are that they have
00:33:54.660 you know uh they have become experts in this technology they have learned it
00:34:02.580 in some cases better than the fbi knows it just so that they can engage in this kind of activity
00:34:09.860 so the question obviously is and this is what the article deals with the question is what do you
00:34:14.660 do about it um how do you get rid of this stuff i think one thing is you have to put a lot more
00:34:24.960 legal pressure on facebook google all these companies to seek this stuff out not just to not just to to
00:34:31.560 try to censor it once it's reported to them but to seek it out to find it on their own platforms in
00:34:37.340 their own networks and to not just shut it down but to find who where it's coming from
00:34:44.640 so there needs to be more of an effort on that end but here's something else i think we should do
00:34:52.120 that the article does not talk about i think um
00:34:57.520 we need and this isn't going to solve the problem i know that but i i think it could at least make a dent
00:35:05.680 in it and it is the right thing to do we need the death penalty for child pornographers
00:35:10.480 pornographers and it needs to be public there are people raping and torturing toddlers and sharing it
00:35:17.460 online and these people are they're not people they are beasts they are animals um they have forfeited
00:35:25.800 their claim to humanity they have forfeited their right to live it's just it's gone they don't have
00:35:35.100 they have no right to be alive as far as i could see it uh and i think society has to act act with
00:35:43.220 swift and righteous and uncompromising vengeance yes vengeance against these people it because you
00:35:50.980 know it's not just about deterring although it is partly that and like i said this isn't going to
00:36:00.460 solve the problem but i do think it it will have some deterring effect it has to when these child
00:36:08.380 raping scumbags start to see that their friends in their in their little uh pornography networks not
00:36:15.120 so little unfortunately networks online are being caught and hung executed for it i would think that
00:36:22.900 would have to have some effect on you psychologically but even if it had no deterring effect it's not just
00:36:31.020 about that it's not just about deterring it's not just about segregating dangerous people from society
00:36:37.340 although it's partly about that too um it's not just about you know saving money so we don't have to
00:36:43.060 provide for these people in prison for the next 40 years of their worthless pathetic lives although it's
00:36:47.300 partly about that it is also along with those things it is also just it is vengeance right righteous
00:36:56.140 vengeance
00:36:56.640 where we are saying you have done the worst thing a person can do and you have victimized children in
00:37:09.640 horrific ways that will be with them forever and so now you are going to face the consequences
00:37:15.120 on behalf of of these victims and on behalf of society in general this is vengeance
00:37:24.160 and so you're going to die
00:37:27.300 we're not we're not going to put you in jail for for 20 years and let you get out and do it again
00:37:34.260 we're not gonna
00:37:37.360 nothing like that you have your trial you're convicted
00:37:42.460 shortly thereafter we take you out we hang you
00:37:46.920 and we throw you in an unmarked grave
00:37:50.120 because that's all that's all you are you don't deserve to be remembered as a person
00:37:55.180 i i i really believe that this is the this is the the the only correct approach this is the moral
00:38:03.780 and right approach to these kinds of crimes and not just not just this
00:38:07.320 um as you know as i've talked about on the show my thinking on issues like the death penalty has evolved
00:38:16.660 considerably and now i am
00:38:18.180 you know i i've was i wrestled with it for a long time but the more and more
00:38:22.460 i've thought about it and especially in in relation to crimes like this
00:38:28.280 i just cannot see any other appropriate way to deal with them
00:38:32.120 i read a story i just read a report about a child pornographer in kentucky
00:38:36.080 who uh is found guilty of of dozens of counts of of child pornography and and you know by the way
00:38:42.660 that somebody's found guilty of whatever 15 counts of child pornography uh you know the actual number is
00:38:48.180 a thousand times that okay because people don't have
00:38:51.640 you know people don't just look at child pornography a couple of times
00:38:55.880 they this is just what they do it was gonna be thought they they this they're obsessed with it
00:39:00.960 um so anyway 15 confirmed counts of child pornography and he get any what the article says is he's facing
00:39:07.620 30 years in prison which means that that means that's the top that's the most he might get and
00:39:12.160 he probably won't even get that and even if he does get that he'll probably be out before that
00:39:15.420 he'll probably get paroled before that um that's just not nearly enough
00:39:20.300 that is that is that doesn't come anywhere close to society expressing
00:39:27.540 its absolute outrage and disgust and anger all all of which are righteous at men like this
00:39:37.740 okay let's um and i know that there's there you know if we if they if in this this law will
00:39:48.060 never happen what i'm what i'm proposing will never happen i realize that and and even if someone did
00:39:53.420 try to move in that direction we're going to run into the problem the supreme court has said that
00:39:58.440 it's unconstitutional to uh execute child rapists which is crazy i think it's one of their worst
00:40:04.360 decisions they've ever passed they've passed some bad ones so you had you'd have a supreme court issue
00:40:10.620 as well but although i think that now i believe that what the supreme court has dealt with in the past
00:40:15.980 are issues of can you can you execute child molesters rapists and so on when you deal specifically with
00:40:22.760 well what about those people who do this and then also are part of a network of child pornographers
00:40:29.740 online so i think maybe there might be a loophole you could get through there
00:40:35.080 a loophole into which you can stuff these people's necks and close it around them
00:40:41.320 okay let's go to uh emails matt wall show at gmail.com matt wall show at gmail.com
00:40:47.720 we're going to wrap evolution up we're going to settle the whole evolution debate it's going to
00:40:53.040 be settled after this we've talked about a couple times now in the email section so i'll do a few
00:40:56.920 more emails and then and then that'll be it um because after that i'm sure we all have agreed
00:41:01.880 now we've all come to the conclusion the same conclusion right this is from bill says dear matt i'm
00:41:06.200 writing in response to your discussion of evolution last week i think your dismissal of the
00:41:09.340 irreducible complexity objection to darwin's natural selection working on random variation
00:41:13.520 was too facile i recommend most highly the works of the godfather of irreducible complexity lehigh
00:41:19.880 university biochemist michael behe darwin's black box etc but quickly the point is a genuine case of
00:41:25.940 irreducible complexity if it exists at all doesn't have a gradual darwinian step by tiny step formation
00:41:31.200 storyline behe uses the example of a mouse trap there are several parts all of which need to be
00:41:35.860 present for the trap to function at all if for example you start with the wooden platform and then
00:41:40.640 add a spring you don't go from catching no mice to catching some mice you still catch no mice
00:41:46.180 this is true from any combination of its parts except the final completed combination of its parts
00:41:51.100 in your dismissal of irreducible complexity you offer the emergence of the vertebrate eye as an
00:41:55.500 example i would argue i would agree that half an eye is better than a quarter of an eye which is
00:41:59.460 better than a light sensitive spot but that scenario if it's a legitimate storyline for the
00:42:02.980 emergence of the eye has intermediate with increasing functional capacity to recommend
00:42:06.840 themselves to the natural selection subcommittee deciding its fate a genuine case of irreducible
00:42:11.440 complexity of which i think the bacterial flagellum is an example has no hypothetical intermediate stage
00:42:17.000 which has any function to recommend its stay of execution knockout experiments demonstrate that
00:42:22.580 when individual component parts of its structure are removed the whole structure is not just less
00:42:27.320 efficient at its job it doesn't do its job at all this is the rub for a darwinian explanation and if
00:42:33.780 this were just an isolated example in a sea of easily explicable cases it could probably be be chalked
00:42:40.180 up to biochemical pathway ignorance but as i understand the demographics of cells there is a very large and
00:42:46.420 continually growing contingent of irreducibly complex entities and one more thing behi i think is also a roman
00:42:52.260 catholic with no axe to grind when it comes to evolution he thinks there's good evidence to support
00:42:56.360 common descent but still only sees evidence for a limited scope for the efficacy of natural selection
00:43:01.600 working on random variation see his book the edge of evolution um yeah the flagellum is a tough case
00:43:09.500 i got a lot of emails about that i i certainly admit it's a tough case um it's a good point i also admit
00:43:17.620 that i don't know nearly enough about cellular biology to speak very extensively on the subject
00:43:22.680 if i tried to go into detail i probably would embarrass myself um from what i understand
00:43:29.960 well first of all speaking of the speaking of the flagellum in general is from what i understand
00:43:37.140 a little bit confusing because there are many different there are different flagella and they
00:43:43.200 vary in what they do and and what they look like so there's more variation already than maybe your
00:43:49.360 argument lets on and from what i understand there are plenty of theories and ideas as to how these
00:43:55.980 flagella may have been formed um this i don't think this is an argument that makes a biologist stop
00:44:05.380 and go wow well it's impossible then for evolution to be true uh but but i think that's what you would
00:44:13.080 need to prove right you would need to prove you or bay here or whoever else not just that it's
00:44:21.360 unlikely or hard to understand or even that we don't know how it happened because you can't do
00:44:28.700 essentially a creationism of the gaps thing where you point out the gaps and you say current scientific
00:44:35.160 understanding cannot explain this and so therefore i'm correct so you can't do that you would need to
00:44:41.460 show that it is impossible that there is no possible way that evolution could work through natural
00:44:50.300 selection on something like the flagellum and and um i don't think that that has been shown or or proved
00:44:56.440 so for me it comes down to that uh when as we talked about last week a theory is all about explaining
00:45:08.180 natural phenomena well almost no theory that i can think of off the top of my head can explain
00:45:16.700 everything uh there are still going to be gaps in our understanding now the point is that those gaps
00:45:24.100 have been closing steadily as we learn more about the natural world and how things work
00:45:29.300 but the presence of gaps doesn't in and of itself prove whatever competing theory true
00:45:38.340 especially if that competing theory has a number of gaps itself
00:45:43.060 and that's one that was one of the reasons why i know you didn't bring this up but this is one of
00:45:48.400 the reasons why and some people took me to task because i sort of waved off the fossil issue
00:45:53.560 as if it's as if it's irrelevant now it's not irrelevant i don't think it's i said it's irrelevant
00:45:58.400 i said it's not nearly as relevant as when you get into genetics and you get into the to that level of
00:46:03.800 things um but the fossil the problem with bringing fossils up is as i said vast vast vast majority of
00:46:10.220 life forms never do fossilize that's just the reality the vast majority of those that do are not going
00:46:16.160 to be found because we're not excavating the entire earth um so inevitably by the nature of the thing
00:46:22.980 there are going to be fossils you don't find there are going to be you're going to find gaps in the
00:46:27.440 fossil records of course you are we're not going to know it'd be unreasonable to demand that every
00:46:32.900 single fossil be found and that you can show it of course so the problem is when people who deny
00:46:39.280 evolution come along and they point to those fossil gaps and they say see there you go we've been
00:46:43.880 proven correct you haven't been proven correct by the absence of this this or that thing i think what
00:46:50.440 you have to do and i think you you mentioned this uh bill and i agree with you that you have to look
00:46:56.480 at the totality you have to look at the the the cumulative case that both theories can make
00:47:04.500 not based on the absence of evidence of the other theory but based on their own evidence
00:47:09.900 what actual real evidence can you bring forward to actively prove your own theory
00:47:17.040 um and i think when you look at at it on that level i still think the evolutionary theory has
00:47:25.780 just way more evidence to recommend itself from my perspective this is from steve says matt darwinism
00:47:32.920 evolution uh was intended to show that there is no design or purpose in nature but that it is
00:47:38.100 undirected and random it is a materialistic theory that promotes the belief that there is nothing beyond
00:47:42.860 matter and energy there is no supernatural there is no god there is no designer or designer
00:47:46.720 design or designer it is incompatible with christianity or any religion that believes in
00:47:50.880 supernatural forces aside from the fact that there are questions that i have not had answered
00:47:55.860 by evolutionists which came first plant life or animal life how do creatures evolve digestive systems
00:48:01.860 to meet a different environment over thousands or millions of years creatures that starve to death
00:48:05.840 can't reproduce to have those changes evolve how did sexual reproduction evolve how does a land
00:48:10.400 creature evolve into a sea creature without dying and vice versa how would the body of a creature know
00:48:14.820 how to develop the systems necessary to live in a completely new environment over thousands of
00:48:17.900 millions of years if you say that anything is possible with enough time and chance as evolution
00:48:22.020 requires isn't that just a isn't that just magic and not science darwin's theory is not fact and when
00:48:27.320 honestly examined with science it falls apart the darwinist faithful do not want to let go of it
00:48:33.640 because it allows them to have a godless purely materialistic explanation of the world that they desire
00:48:37.800 i suggest jonathan wells icons of evolution to illustrate or jonathan wells icons of evolution
00:48:43.400 to illustrate how darwinist darwinists use misleading and false information to promote their disproven
00:48:50.640 theory okay um uh steve i'm not going to dissect every every sentence of this email i think there are
00:49:01.800 a number a number of problems here um first of all it's a claim that that evolution has been
00:49:08.360 disproven i you know i mean you you can go ahead and make the argument that you doesn't you're not
00:49:12.860 convinced by it because for this or that reason and go ahead and make that argument i'm not saying that
00:49:18.320 that's a stupid argument to make but to say that it's been disproven is that's just incorrect i don't
00:49:24.960 you know i doubt among people who understand the science who really understand it um and who
00:49:38.200 don't accept evolution i don't think any of them would say that evolution has been quote disproven
00:49:45.640 because disproven to disprove that is a you're setting the bar um for the burden of proof
00:49:54.940 for you is extremely high and you're gonna have to do a lot better than what you just did
00:50:00.760 to disprove it um as far as uh people just want to believe in in darwinism because it allows them to
00:50:10.040 have a godless universe that's just well how do you explain me then i mean right i a statement like
00:50:15.820 that i i can i can disprove that right now just with myself so i can prove that that is certainly at
00:50:23.620 least not the only possible reason why somebody might believe in evolution somebody might believe
00:50:28.580 in it quote unquote because they really just think that's where the evidence points and that's where
00:50:32.160 i fall i don't have any axe to grind with religion obviously and there are plenty of other christians
00:50:39.780 and members of other religions now you might say oh you can't possibly be religious and believe in
00:50:43.800 evolution well yeah but a lot of people are you can argue that they shouldn't be or that they don't
00:50:49.360 understand or whatever but um to to try to get into motivation and to say well the only reason
00:50:56.120 why somebody would believe in this is because they're trying to disprove god that obviously is
00:50:59.400 not true i can say from experience that is not true uh what else here i didn't want to overlook anything
00:51:09.140 um and then okay the the various questions you asked about how do you get from plant life to animal
00:51:15.940 life and and uh uh so on um beings evolving out of the water and and and then on to land and in
00:51:25.240 some cases going back into the water like as would be the case with say for instance whales well you
00:51:29.860 mentioned it in your other paragraph that really for a lot of that stuff uh it it does come down to
00:51:34.860 time that when you think of things on a on the scale that we tend to think of things which for us
00:51:41.760 you know uh quick would be an hour and a long time would be a day or a year or even a lifetime that's
00:51:49.480 how we think of things so on that scale all the questions you just asked are unanswerable it is it's
00:51:55.500 impossible to understand evolutionary theory on the scale that we think about things but when you think
00:52:01.380 of things on the time scale and you consider that earth has been around for four billion years
00:52:07.000 and life at its most rudimentary level has probably existed for three billion years
00:52:12.900 which means you've got a billion years of no life before you even get to life then another three
00:52:20.080 billion years basically to get from that most rudimentary level to human beings when you consider
00:52:27.160 that time scale i think it it handles most of your questions and that's not uh it's not a cop-out
00:52:34.620 it's just the time is very important so you have to keep going back to it that's a and i and i do believe
00:52:41.120 that i'm not saying this is the case for everybody but many people who doubt evolution i think for a lot
00:52:49.240 of them part of the reason they doubt it is because they they haven't totally considered the time scale
00:52:54.620 that we're talking about and what it really means or if they're young earth creationists they because
00:53:00.460 of their theology which i think is mistaken they can't consider it on that so they're thinking of
00:53:05.080 everything in the terms of 6 000 years now that's true if the whole universe is 6 000 years old then
00:53:09.700 yeah there's no time for any of this stuff to have happened and so evolution couldn't be the case but
00:53:13.820 uh i think the universe is in fact 14 billion years and the earth is about four to five billion years
00:53:18.200 all right um from andrew says hi matt my reason for rejecting evolution is maybe too simple but
00:53:24.660 i'll be honest i reject it because it is clear to me that human life is just too incredible too
00:53:28.560 beautiful to have been the product a product of blind chance even animal life eagles bears dogs etc
00:53:34.600 is all way too majestic and wonderful i know this isn't a scientific answer but that's how i feel
00:53:39.460 well there's nothing first of all i don't apologize for making an argument that isn't isn't
00:53:43.660 scientific exactly there's nothing wrong with making an argument like that i get what you're saying i
00:53:47.520 suspect that probably most people on your side of the issue would agree that this is one of their
00:53:53.200 main reasons for rejecting evolution it's a very visceral reason where you look and you see how
00:53:59.200 incredible human life is how beautiful uh so much of of life is and you think well this there's no way
00:54:07.400 that that evolution can explain that i would make two points though number one nobody is talking about
00:54:13.580 blind chance natural selection as a mechanism for facilitating evolution is not chance uh it's
00:54:20.620 sort of the opposite of chance really as far as blind well i guess as i suppose an atheist would have
00:54:27.340 to say that it's blind in a sense yeah i don't think it's blind though so i would say that it's neither
00:54:34.220 blind nor chance and anyone who accepts evolution would agree at a minimum that it's not chance yes the genetic
00:54:44.680 mutations are random but the process of natural selection is not random is not a roll of the dice it couldn't be
00:54:51.740 if it was then yeah there's no way you could have anything that we see around us explained by evolution but that's not
00:54:59.140 what the theory says so i would say it's not blind or chance second uh to the the sort of aesthetic
00:55:05.400 argument of of how beautiful uh life is i agree human life is beautiful bears and eagles are majestic
00:55:12.500 uh totally agree with that the problem though is that this argument cuts both ways and i think it cuts
00:55:18.580 more against you than for you because the world is also host to some very i would say not beautiful
00:55:27.520 life forms or at least some some life forms that would be very difficult some life forms that only
00:55:32.240 their mothers could love i'll put it that way um think of the wasp that lays its eggs inside a
00:55:39.880 caterpillar's body and then its babies eat the caterpillar from the inside and this is how the wasp
00:55:46.020 lives this is how the wasp reproduces and survives this is what it does um it's not just that some of
00:55:54.820 these wasps do this this is this is the behavior of the entire species think of tapeworms that can
00:55:59.720 only survive inside the intestines of larger organisms think of spiders that eat their mates
00:56:04.880 and eat their own babies um think of parasitic fungi that take over the brains of ants and turn them into
00:56:11.920 zombies um there are many many many examples of this kind of thing life that it would be very hard to
00:56:20.680 call majestic or beautiful head lice mosquitoes on and on and on now on evolution the proliferation of
00:56:31.980 parasitic types of species is very easy to explain um in fact it's what you would expect even even if
00:56:40.540 you didn't know that any of these life forms existed um but you knew about the theory of evolution
00:56:48.660 evolution you would predict that probably these kinds of creatures are out there because it makes
00:56:55.760 sense on a darwinian model right but on the view that god individually and specifically created each
00:57:03.840 species apart from any natural process of evolution well then you have to explain why god would make the
00:57:11.200 wasp that lays its eggs inside a caterpillar's body or the tapeworm that must live inside the bellies of
00:57:17.460 third world people or the mosquito that sucks blood and spreads disease on a view that god allows
00:57:25.260 evolution to operate uh to work according to its own laws and processes on that view then this problem
00:57:37.020 becomes a little bit less of a problem but on your view i think i think you've got some explaining to do
00:57:43.500 uh i think it becomes much more so it's sort of similar we talked last week about calvinism and i
00:57:49.060 said how the problem of suffering is uh is a difficult challenge for any theist to meet it's one of those
00:57:54.360 problems that we wrestle with and you think about and everything but on a non-calvinistic view it it's
00:58:02.060 it's not a devastating problem it's not like it you know it has to make you abandon your belief in god
00:58:07.480 there are ways of dealing with it especially because you have something like free will and that can
00:58:11.360 explain not all of the suffering in the world but a lot of it where god allows people to make choices
00:58:16.260 but i said on the calvinistic view it seems like the problem of suffering is totally devastating and
00:58:22.160 insurmountable because then you really are specifically blaming god for all of the suffering
00:58:28.280 where god engineers everything there really is no free will and everything is directly uh done
00:58:35.140 conducted by god as this sort of puppet master this cosmic puppet master figure so i think on on calvinism
00:58:42.980 the problem of suffering is very difficult is basically insurmountable i would say that on
00:58:50.000 uh the anti-evolution view the issues raised by some of these rather horrific life forms that are
00:59:01.180 parasitic and that can only survive by victimizing other forms of life i think on the non-evolutionary
00:59:09.160 view it raises some pretty tough theological questions not it's not insurmountable like calvinism
00:59:15.420 is not it's so it's not the exact same relationship like it is between the problem of suffering and
00:59:19.380 calvinism i think there are ways you could you know i'm sure there are ways you could probably explain
00:59:22.500 it i'm just trying to point out that the issue you bring up it does cut both ways as i said
00:59:28.900 and i do think it cuts more against you than for you um whereas for me as someone who thinks
00:59:38.000 that evolution is true i would say again that it's it's a similar sort of idea to free will not that
00:59:44.720 it is free will but god gives us free will that's how the world works we are allowed to make choices
00:59:51.260 and that includes bad choices same thing with evolution that's how the world works
00:59:56.820 as decided by god and so it's going it's going to have certain results not all of them are going
01:00:04.140 to be especially pleasant
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