Ep. 342 - NBC Spreads Fake News While Accusing Others Of Fake News
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1 hour and 1 minute
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Summary
Impeachment is back and better than ever, but is it better than the original? Is the new impeachment series as good or worse than the first impeachment series in the late 90s and early 2000s? And will the new reboot live up to the expectations set by the original series?
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can we all just be uh completely honest about something for a minute and i'm putting politics
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aside just just being completely honest can we agree at least that the 1998 impeachment series
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was way more entertaining and and just better all around than the reboot in 2019 i mean sure
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you've got the outlandish characters this time around trump obviously giuliani joe biden some
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good characters but i'm not sure that they're really better than the characters in the original
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um and and i mean but the main thing is you can only do so much with characters it all comes down
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to plot for me you know as a viewer um and uh the central plot just isn't nearly as absorbing it's
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just in the original show you had sex uh lies you know betrayal it was uh it was really it was
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critics at the time of course said it veered a little bit too much in a soap opera territory but
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but which it did but this is impeachment we're talking about that's what the show is supposed
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to be like and this time it's as if the producer said oh no it was too soap opera last time so we're
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gonna we're gonna intentionally make this as dry as possible so it all revolves around a phone call
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think about what the first first impeachment series revolved around think about that
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and this time we have a phone call it's just plus i don't want to bring this up but uh but someone
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has to mention but you know the the the uh impeachment 98 had a whole host of fascinating
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female characters lewinski paula jones even hillary clinton with her corella de vil impression was was
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was pretty interesting but this time there's there's basically no female characters all the female
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characters have been replaced by men now all the talk we do about representation making sure people
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are represented is that in 2019 is that really a choice that can be justified yeah they brought
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back nancy pelosi and everything but she just is not she's the least compelling female character and
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she's the only one that carries over anyway um i don't we can just hope that the show picks up steam
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in later episodes and if it doesn't then we also know that um i'm sure they'll reboot it again in a few
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years and and i guess we can hope that that reboot lives up to the expectations set by the 98 series
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and that's all i'm going to say about that okay um lots to talk about today including
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and in fact we're going to begin with nbc news calling out myself and uh ben shapiro and the
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daily wire in general for alleged fake news they say that we we uh are responsible for a fake news story
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but in the not so twist ending they are the ones propagating the the fake news it's going to shock you
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last week the daily wire reported that a drug called lupron used as a puberty blocker for transgender
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children has been linked to thousands of deaths now shortly after this story was published nbc news
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and there were other left-wing uh outlets and and people who who also jumped on this but nbc news in
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particular denounced the daily wire for pushing fake news quote-unquote naming myself and ben shapiro
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as the culprits who shared and disseminated what they called quote anti-transgender rhetoric ironically
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as i said before their their article debunking our fake news is itself fake news and i want to talk
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about this and get into it because it touches on how the media twists things um and also when when when
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you hear a a left-wing outlet like nbc news talking about fake news well we start to see what they
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really mean by that and also the actual issue here which isn't what the daily wire wrote or or anything
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like that the actual issue is is these drugs themselves that are being given to kids so it
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deals with all that and that's why i want to talk about this nbc explains in their in their article
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that um lupron is often used to treat prostate cancer in adult men and uh and and most of the
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deaths associated with the drug are quote likely among these patients adult men prostate cancer
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that's what the drug is usually used for now that's that's no doubt probably the case
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most of the deaths most of the adverse reactions to the drugs um are going to be among
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people with prostate cancer who are using the drugs to treat that cancer the daily wire never said
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otherwise i never said otherwise in fact in the original report on the site it specifically notes
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that lupron is being prescribed off label as a hormone blocker for gender confused children
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but i want you to think about what nbc is doing here they are defending the use of this potentially
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dangerous drug among physically healthy children on the basis that well it's really designed for use
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among terminally ill men that's their defense of the drug they're saying no no no no no see here this
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is fake news really this drug is designed for terminally ill men with prostate cancer and and and that's
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why we've had these adverse reactions yes exactly yet this drug that is supposed to be used in that way
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or in in in other cases where people are suffering from actual real physical problems
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a drug meant for that designed for that is being given to physically healthy children
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whose only problem is that they are confused about their gender and they're probably only
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confused about it because their parents have haven't helped to clarify the issue
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in in in most of these cases even the confusion itself which is not a physical problem but even
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the confusion itself in most of these cases are going to go back to parenting but don't worry says nbc
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lupron is just is you know it's it's it's it's just chemically castrating those children
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that's all most of the people who die from it are adults sure we don't really know that the risks
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inherent in suppressing the normal growth and development of children who are confused about
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their gender we don't we don't really know all the risks we don't really know what it's doing to them
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long term we have no we have no real sample size at all okay you're not going to find a lot of
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adults who are in their 50s now and have been on this stuff for 40 years or who used this you know
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or who or who used this 40 years ago so we don't really exactly know but nbc says but i don't you
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know it don't worry it's probably not killing them it's probably the people that are dying from it
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probably the adults um and uh and as far as we know anyway and so we don't have to worry about it
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but forget about the adverse side effects for a minute all right the desired effect the desired
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effect of a drug like lupron in a healthy child is adverse so we're not talking about adverse side
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effects let's talk about the adverse effects the main effects it is intended to interfere with the
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normal natural development of the child the whole point is to force their bodies to artificially
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remain in a prepubescent state that's what the drugs are being used for if anything the daily wire
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vastly understated the dangers involved in this practice um because that wasn't the subject of of
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the article i thought there was anything dishonest there but the subject of the article was about the
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side effects but if anything that that you know that leaves aside that that paints a in some ways
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rosier picture than what is actually the case because the primary effect the desired stated primary
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effect of these drugs is itself horrible so we don't even need to get into any of the rest of it
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now nbc quotes a um a guy named dr jack turban who discussed the hazards of quote allowing puberty
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to progress that's a quote from the nbc article that's a quote them quoting dr dr jack turban them
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them uncritically quoting him when he says that uh you know there can be problems with quote allowing
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puberty to progress allowing it to progress see puberty is not a disease it isn't cancer prostate cancer is cancer
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that's why lupron makes sense in those cases but doctors like jack turban want to treat a healthy normal
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stage of growth as some sort of malignancy now if nbc was a real news outlet which it isn't but if it
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were it would be debunking the great and i wouldn't be trying to debunk the daily wire or me it would be
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debunking the great fraud that's being perpetrated by the medical industry at the expense of these
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innocent children at the very least it would express some level of skepticism at the claim that puberty
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should literally be treated like cancer if a child is confused about his gender they have no skepticism
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of that they don't ask any questions so i say it again these doctors are literally treating puberty
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like cancer they are prescribing the same things for it that they would for cancer to stop puberty
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which is normal and healthy it is part of growing for a child
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no skepticism from not just nbc but but any of these left-wing outlets no more much less moral
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indignation which is what there really should be these uh these slayers of the fake news dragon are more
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than happy to present radical far left crazy gender theory as fact they just put it out there as fact
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they don't need this nothing but this whole this is radical far left this is way into looney tuneville
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stuff we're talking about and nbc just puts it out there says yep this is how it is
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they even in their headline of the article uh they call puberty blockers trans health care
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that's how they refer to it in the in the in the headline they say trans health care
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because uh you know conservatives are attacking trans health care quote-unquote
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no indication that this form of quote health care is to put it mildly controversial
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they don't even bother saying you know uh uh uh alleged trans health care or or or what is
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reported to be by some trans health care or or controversial trans health they don't put any
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special discount today now um in reality of course no drug could ever be an effective treatment for
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gender dysphoria um uh no matter the age no or i suppose i should say no drug that physically alters
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the healthy development of a child could ever be an effective treatment for gender dysphoria
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now whether there could be some kind of mental uh you know some sort of uh drug dealing you know that
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that's some psychotropic kind of drug that might that i would be very skeptical of too
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but um this is a mental disorder though that's the point gender dysphoria which is what we're
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talking about here this is not a physical disorder this is something going on in the mind
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and i think and one of the reasons i'd be very skeptical of using any kind of drug
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is that as i said before i i think in most of these cases it really just comes down to parenting
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it's very simple in most of these cases maybe not all but most the gender dysphoric person feels
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trapped inside a body that doesn't match that's a direct quote i'm using a phrase from the national
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health service in the uk that's how they describe it trapped inside a body that doesn't match quote
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that obviously cannot be anything but a mental disorder obviously it should go without saying
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that a person cannot actually be trapped in the wrong body that can't actually be happening
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so if a person feels like that's the case it's something going on in the mind
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obviously that's the only thing it can be because our minds are not these entirely separate entities
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that are placed inside our bodies on some sort of cosmic assembly line and something might go wrong
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in the factory you know manufacturing process and the wrong mind is put into into uh the wrong body
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that that that can't happen obviously that can't be the case so this is a very strange for sort of
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dualism that you find going on the people that would affirm this idea like yeah maybe their mind
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doesn't match their body that is the weirdest kind of dualism this is your this is this is superstitious
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i mean even and and what makes it even more absurd is that most of the people who subscribe to this and
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who would affirm it and say this is you know somehow it really can happen that you can end up in the wrong
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body most of them probably if you ask them given that this is mostly on the left side of the spectrum
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probably most of them don't even believe in a human soul which is the only way that you can even begin
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to make sense of that certainly if we have no soul then we're it's just our brain in our body our you
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know we are our body and nothing more so whatever your body is that's you that's it that's all there is
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to it there's nothing else that's just you if you feel like you're supposed to be something else or
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you are you're just you're mistaken why you're mistaken well that's when we get into is there
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something going on in the brain is there something going on with how you were raised whatever is it
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some of some of some of both um so when you leave the soul aside there is no way to make sense of this
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at all it just it cannot be you are your body that's it there cannot be any mismatching
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but even if you bring the soul into it it still doesn't make any sense
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because even from the perspective of most people who believe in souls uh it's it's not like your
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soul your body is some sort of container and your soul is just placed inside it poured inside it like
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a liquid that's not it and even if it was that way well the only person that could do the pouring
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of the soul would be god and i think we can assume that he's not going to make a mistake and put the
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wrong soul in the wrong body so no matter how you look at it whether you're no matter what your
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metaphysics are no matter if you're religious or not it just there's there's no way to look at this
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other than if someone feels that way they are mistaken they are deluded they are suffering then
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either from terrible parenting or a mental disorder or both that's it um i can no more have the wrong
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sex than i can have the wrong left pinky finger or the wrong eye color i am who i am biologically
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speaking i cannot be anything more than that anything other than that no matter how i might feel about it
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if i have trouble accepting my biological nature then the correct treatment must involve
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and must be directed towards helping me to accept it if i have trouble accepting something that is
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inevitably and permanently and immutably true such as my biological identity then correct and good
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treatment would be all about helping me to accept it it would not ever involve deforming mutilating
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poisoning or castrating me or suppressing my healthy physical development in any way um just to to
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conform more with my delusional beliefs about myself it could never involve that
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because that would be exact it would be like if you had an anorexic come in another kind of body
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dysmorphia anorexic uh someone who's who's you know think of someone who's rail thin has an eating
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disorder feels like they're overweight they're not they think they are they're so it's a it's a it's a
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mental health problem and they are that's what they are suffering it is very real suffering it is
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potentially fatal so what do we do with someone like that we help them to realize who they really are
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which is not an overweight person we help them to see that that what they perceive about themselves
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but honestly and i and i don't say this as a joke at all this is not a joke
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to me it seems when you when you have a child who's eight years old or nine years old ten years
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old it doesn't matter how old the person is when it's a child just makes it all the worse but
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you got a child a boy says he feels like he's a girl putting it on putting him on puberty blockers
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so that he can look more like what he feels like even though how he feels is wrong
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not wrong morally like there's something morally wrong but wrong it's just wrong factually
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doing that it would be like a an anorexic person coming and saying they feel overweight
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and so what you prescribe for them is a fun house mirror
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like at a at a carnival you know those mirrors that you look at it makes you look like you're
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200 pounds heavier than you are that's what it's like because what you're doing is you're saying
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this person has delusional feelings about themselves so i'm going to help them see themselves more
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i mean it it it is like sending an anorexic home with a fun house mirror and diet pills
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saying well this is how you feel about yourself so it must be true here's diet pills here's laxatives
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here's a mirror so that you can better see your true self
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but of course we would never do that because that would be cruel and insane
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i mean it's you might you're basically murdering them is what you're doing
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let's go to this we'll we'll we'll uh lighten the mood a little bit
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so to speak uh in a way we're doing the opposite uh because more footage of justin trudeau in blackface
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has surfaced and uh i'm not gonna spend a lot of time on this but i just wanted to i mean i have to
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play it just so you can see if you didn't see this going around online uh here's here's the videos
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no sound or anything and what you see that's not i don't know exactly when this is from
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uh i think it might have been from last week and i know i don't think it was last week it's probably
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much further back than that but he's uh who knows because this guy just this guy loves blackface
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at this point i think we have more footage of trudeau in blackface than in not in blackface
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has he ever not been in black do we have we ever actually seen justin trudeau without the blackface
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i'm now i'm starting to lose count because it just is every day it's another thing uh but you see
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it's not just blackface he's got black knees too he's he's he's he's painted his whole body he went
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he went all out he's got the wig he got he's got everything um this is i mean what you see there is
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is i i i said last week or two weeks ago when this stuff first started coming out that
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um it's of course it's totally inappropriate justin trudeau deserves to be criticized for it
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he should be held to his own standards he would be the first one to call someone else racist for this
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but i said at the time two couple weeks ago that okay with that thing where he was uh
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he would have originally he was at a talent show or something was that what it was um
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or no he was dressed as aladdin at a costume party right that was the first one we saw
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and i said yeah inappropriate objectively speaking i don't know that if i would call it racist
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because i don't think we could say he had racist intent though that's what he would say about
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someone else so we should hold him to his own standard again uh but now with more of this stuff
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coming out it's hard not to see it as just straight up racist it's hard you look at that costume
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how do you look at that as anything other than straight up racist
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and how did he not know so to believe it's not racist we would have to believe
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that he didn't know it was totally innocent he had no idea that there was anything wrong with this
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but even if that footage is back from the 90s or something i remember the 90s okay i was a kid in
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the 90s and i knew in the 90s that you don't dress up in blackface i knew that as a kid in the 90s
00:27:34.120
a child so how did he not know that and if he knew and he did it anyway then it seems like we
00:27:41.580
may have real racist intent here either way but hold on a second there's actually more to this this
00:27:46.640
clip um because this is some this is from some boating trip or something that trudeau went on
00:27:51.260
and there's a little bit more to to it watch this okay you've got no sound again but
00:27:57.140
you've got a guy who appears to be on drugs acting like an ostrich i guess or something
00:28:05.260
and then the other guy with the whitest dance moves of all time so what what is happening here
00:28:12.280
was trudeau trying to balance out i mean what what is it what's going on you've got a couple
00:28:19.320
of the whitest things you've ever seen that dancing now i'm no dancer myself but that is
00:28:23.700
that's the whitest dancing i've ever that's that's it that's if any if you look up white
00:28:28.220
dancing in the dictionary it's that it is exactly that to a t so was trudeau trying to balance out
00:28:35.560
the whitest thing ever to happen a corny white dude dancing in a clown wig on a on a rafting trip
00:28:41.500
was he trying to balance that out was he concerned that the sheer volume of whiteness might rip open
00:28:46.920
a hole in the space-time continuum and so we needed to i don't know you know who knows i'm just
00:28:51.420
theorizing but i think we need to talk to trudeau about this we need answers who is the ostrich man
00:28:56.820
who's the dancing man what is he dancing to i'm guessing smash mouth we need to find out we need
00:29:03.920
to know trudeau must answer for this all right by the way um one other thing before we get
00:29:10.280
before we get back to a very serious topic there's a there's a headline from from page six
00:29:16.860
i wanted to show you also the headline you'll take a look at it here it says kate middleton rewears
00:29:23.000
blue alexander mcqueen coat for fourth time i just wanted to show you that because
00:29:28.740
this is just more evidence that society is deteriorating around us fourth time fourth time
00:29:37.800
disgusting i personally i wear my coats once i throw them out after that like a civilized person
00:29:44.180
i walk in my door i toss my coat at the feet of my butler william i say william dispose of that
00:29:51.220
immediately it displeases me i'm shocked to learn that kate middleton lacks my class and sophistication
00:29:57.800
uh i am i am completely floored by that shameful all right um okay so last thing before we get the
00:30:08.300
emails and i i i've been i've been stalling as maybe you can tell because i really don't want to
00:30:13.420
talk about this um because it's so horrifying and stomach churning and i almost feel bad
00:30:20.540
bringing bringing this to you as the viewer or listener but i think i have to because it's it's
00:30:28.860
important um and it's necessary that we face it the new york times has done some real journalism
00:30:35.340
every once in a while they do some real journalism and and here's an example of it this is real
00:30:39.020
journalism and it's about the proliferation of child pornography on the internet the problem well
00:30:46.120
you knew the problem was bad right i think we all we all knew that but it's it's worse than you
00:30:52.480
thought it's certainly worse than i thought much worse i'm not going to read the whole lengthy report
00:30:58.580
that they just published uh i think it was yesterday they published it i recommend you go and look up the
00:31:03.220
article uh titled the internet is overrun with images of child sexual abuse what went wrong now i warn you
00:31:09.320
it is very very very disturbing uh infuriating sickening it does include some descriptions
00:31:15.840
of of some of the things that these that you know police have uncovered in their so far mostly
00:31:23.760
futile attempts to fight this problem um it is like i said much worse in volume than i think we
00:31:32.560
realized consider this all right according to the times report in 1998 there were 3 000 images of
00:31:41.280
child sexual abuse online which is a lot we can all agree in 2008 there was 100 000
00:31:49.600
uh today 10 years after that and 20 years about 20 years after the there was after 1998 when there
00:31:59.740
were 3 000 images there are 45 million images and videos of child sexual sex abuse online 45 million
00:32:09.600
from 100 000 10 years ago 45 million uh i mean 10 years from now what what's it going to be
00:32:22.820
there's an exponential growth rate that has been happening ever since the ever since the internet
00:32:29.600
was a thing right ever since the internet was basically a household item in the late 90s uh
00:32:35.380
there's been this exponential growth infestation maybe it's a better word of child pornography and
00:32:43.860
it's not slowing down it's speeding up in fact and much of it is the worst and most evil and depraved
00:32:51.300
kind of stuff you could possibly imagine very young kids infants in some cases being tortured and raped
00:32:59.480
and um this stuff is being shared through encrypted messages hidden on dark web forums where thousands
00:33:06.540
and thousands of people go to share and view it like i said go to the new york times and read that i just
00:33:11.800
i think it's important for us all to know what's out there um and this is the kind of thing that as a society
00:33:19.620
we should be focusing on this is a problem that and and it should be something that we can all agree on
00:33:28.640
it's one of the only things that we should all be able to agree this is a huge problem
00:33:34.140
something has to be done and drastic steps have to be taken i would think that all those three points
00:33:40.040
we could all agree um the article goes into detail about the trouble that law enforcement has in
00:33:44.360
controlling this because these child raping scumbags are experts in the technology that they need
00:33:49.420
to hide their tracks now think about how monstrous these people are that they have
00:33:54.660
you know uh they have become experts in this technology they have learned it
00:34:02.580
in some cases better than the fbi knows it just so that they can engage in this kind of activity
00:34:09.860
so the question obviously is and this is what the article deals with the question is what do you
00:34:14.660
do about it um how do you get rid of this stuff i think one thing is you have to put a lot more
00:34:24.960
legal pressure on facebook google all these companies to seek this stuff out not just to not just to to
00:34:31.560
try to censor it once it's reported to them but to seek it out to find it on their own platforms in
00:34:37.340
their own networks and to not just shut it down but to find who where it's coming from
00:34:44.640
so there needs to be more of an effort on that end but here's something else i think we should do
00:34:52.120
that the article does not talk about i think um
00:34:57.520
we need and this isn't going to solve the problem i know that but i i think it could at least make a dent
00:35:05.680
in it and it is the right thing to do we need the death penalty for child pornographers
00:35:10.480
pornographers and it needs to be public there are people raping and torturing toddlers and sharing it
00:35:17.460
online and these people are they're not people they are beasts they are animals um they have forfeited
00:35:25.800
their claim to humanity they have forfeited their right to live it's just it's gone they don't have
00:35:35.100
they have no right to be alive as far as i could see it uh and i think society has to act act with
00:35:43.220
swift and righteous and uncompromising vengeance yes vengeance against these people it because you
00:35:50.980
know it's not just about deterring although it is partly that and like i said this isn't going to
00:36:00.460
solve the problem but i do think it it will have some deterring effect it has to when these child
00:36:08.380
raping scumbags start to see that their friends in their in their little uh pornography networks not
00:36:15.120
so little unfortunately networks online are being caught and hung executed for it i would think that
00:36:22.900
would have to have some effect on you psychologically but even if it had no deterring effect it's not just
00:36:31.020
about that it's not just about deterring it's not just about segregating dangerous people from society
00:36:37.340
although it's partly about that too um it's not just about you know saving money so we don't have to
00:36:43.060
provide for these people in prison for the next 40 years of their worthless pathetic lives although it's
00:36:47.300
partly about that it is also along with those things it is also just it is vengeance right righteous
00:36:56.640
where we are saying you have done the worst thing a person can do and you have victimized children in
00:37:09.640
horrific ways that will be with them forever and so now you are going to face the consequences
00:37:15.120
on behalf of of these victims and on behalf of society in general this is vengeance
00:37:27.300
we're not we're not going to put you in jail for for 20 years and let you get out and do it again
00:37:37.360
nothing like that you have your trial you're convicted
00:37:50.120
because that's all that's all you are you don't deserve to be remembered as a person
00:37:55.180
i i i really believe that this is the this is the the the only correct approach this is the moral
00:38:03.780
and right approach to these kinds of crimes and not just not just this
00:38:07.320
um as you know as i've talked about on the show my thinking on issues like the death penalty has evolved
00:38:18.180
you know i i've was i wrestled with it for a long time but the more and more
00:38:22.460
i've thought about it and especially in in relation to crimes like this
00:38:28.280
i just cannot see any other appropriate way to deal with them
00:38:32.120
i read a story i just read a report about a child pornographer in kentucky
00:38:36.080
who uh is found guilty of of dozens of counts of of child pornography and and you know by the way
00:38:42.660
that somebody's found guilty of whatever 15 counts of child pornography uh you know the actual number is
00:38:48.180
a thousand times that okay because people don't have
00:38:51.640
you know people don't just look at child pornography a couple of times
00:38:55.880
they this is just what they do it was gonna be thought they they this they're obsessed with it
00:39:00.960
um so anyway 15 confirmed counts of child pornography and he get any what the article says is he's facing
00:39:07.620
30 years in prison which means that that means that's the top that's the most he might get and
00:39:12.160
he probably won't even get that and even if he does get that he'll probably be out before that
00:39:15.420
he'll probably get paroled before that um that's just not nearly enough
00:39:20.300
that is that is that doesn't come anywhere close to society expressing
00:39:27.540
its absolute outrage and disgust and anger all all of which are righteous at men like this
00:39:37.740
okay let's um and i know that there's there you know if we if they if in this this law will
00:39:48.060
never happen what i'm what i'm proposing will never happen i realize that and and even if someone did
00:39:53.420
try to move in that direction we're going to run into the problem the supreme court has said that
00:39:58.440
it's unconstitutional to uh execute child rapists which is crazy i think it's one of their worst
00:40:04.360
decisions they've ever passed they've passed some bad ones so you had you'd have a supreme court issue
00:40:10.620
as well but although i think that now i believe that what the supreme court has dealt with in the past
00:40:15.980
are issues of can you can you execute child molesters rapists and so on when you deal specifically with
00:40:22.760
well what about those people who do this and then also are part of a network of child pornographers
00:40:29.740
online so i think maybe there might be a loophole you could get through there
00:40:35.080
a loophole into which you can stuff these people's necks and close it around them
00:40:41.320
okay let's go to uh emails matt wall show at gmail.com matt wall show at gmail.com
00:40:47.720
we're going to wrap evolution up we're going to settle the whole evolution debate it's going to
00:40:53.040
be settled after this we've talked about a couple times now in the email section so i'll do a few
00:40:56.920
more emails and then and then that'll be it um because after that i'm sure we all have agreed
00:41:01.880
now we've all come to the conclusion the same conclusion right this is from bill says dear matt i'm
00:41:06.200
writing in response to your discussion of evolution last week i think your dismissal of the
00:41:09.340
irreducible complexity objection to darwin's natural selection working on random variation
00:41:13.520
was too facile i recommend most highly the works of the godfather of irreducible complexity lehigh
00:41:19.880
university biochemist michael behe darwin's black box etc but quickly the point is a genuine case of
00:41:25.940
irreducible complexity if it exists at all doesn't have a gradual darwinian step by tiny step formation
00:41:31.200
storyline behe uses the example of a mouse trap there are several parts all of which need to be
00:41:35.860
present for the trap to function at all if for example you start with the wooden platform and then
00:41:40.640
add a spring you don't go from catching no mice to catching some mice you still catch no mice
00:41:46.180
this is true from any combination of its parts except the final completed combination of its parts
00:41:51.100
in your dismissal of irreducible complexity you offer the emergence of the vertebrate eye as an
00:41:55.500
example i would argue i would agree that half an eye is better than a quarter of an eye which is
00:41:59.460
better than a light sensitive spot but that scenario if it's a legitimate storyline for the
00:42:02.980
emergence of the eye has intermediate with increasing functional capacity to recommend
00:42:06.840
themselves to the natural selection subcommittee deciding its fate a genuine case of irreducible
00:42:11.440
complexity of which i think the bacterial flagellum is an example has no hypothetical intermediate stage
00:42:17.000
which has any function to recommend its stay of execution knockout experiments demonstrate that
00:42:22.580
when individual component parts of its structure are removed the whole structure is not just less
00:42:27.320
efficient at its job it doesn't do its job at all this is the rub for a darwinian explanation and if
00:42:33.780
this were just an isolated example in a sea of easily explicable cases it could probably be be chalked
00:42:40.180
up to biochemical pathway ignorance but as i understand the demographics of cells there is a very large and
00:42:46.420
continually growing contingent of irreducibly complex entities and one more thing behi i think is also a roman
00:42:52.260
catholic with no axe to grind when it comes to evolution he thinks there's good evidence to support
00:42:56.360
common descent but still only sees evidence for a limited scope for the efficacy of natural selection
00:43:01.600
working on random variation see his book the edge of evolution um yeah the flagellum is a tough case
00:43:09.500
i got a lot of emails about that i i certainly admit it's a tough case um it's a good point i also admit
00:43:17.620
that i don't know nearly enough about cellular biology to speak very extensively on the subject
00:43:22.680
if i tried to go into detail i probably would embarrass myself um from what i understand
00:43:29.960
well first of all speaking of the speaking of the flagellum in general is from what i understand
00:43:37.140
a little bit confusing because there are many different there are different flagella and they
00:43:43.200
vary in what they do and and what they look like so there's more variation already than maybe your
00:43:49.360
argument lets on and from what i understand there are plenty of theories and ideas as to how these
00:43:55.980
flagella may have been formed um this i don't think this is an argument that makes a biologist stop
00:44:05.380
and go wow well it's impossible then for evolution to be true uh but but i think that's what you would
00:44:13.080
need to prove right you would need to prove you or bay here or whoever else not just that it's
00:44:21.360
unlikely or hard to understand or even that we don't know how it happened because you can't do
00:44:28.700
essentially a creationism of the gaps thing where you point out the gaps and you say current scientific
00:44:35.160
understanding cannot explain this and so therefore i'm correct so you can't do that you would need to
00:44:41.460
show that it is impossible that there is no possible way that evolution could work through natural
00:44:50.300
selection on something like the flagellum and and um i don't think that that has been shown or or proved
00:44:56.440
so for me it comes down to that uh when as we talked about last week a theory is all about explaining
00:45:08.180
natural phenomena well almost no theory that i can think of off the top of my head can explain
00:45:16.700
everything uh there are still going to be gaps in our understanding now the point is that those gaps
00:45:24.100
have been closing steadily as we learn more about the natural world and how things work
00:45:29.300
but the presence of gaps doesn't in and of itself prove whatever competing theory true
00:45:38.340
especially if that competing theory has a number of gaps itself
00:45:43.060
and that's one that was one of the reasons why i know you didn't bring this up but this is one of
00:45:48.400
the reasons why and some people took me to task because i sort of waved off the fossil issue
00:45:53.560
as if it's as if it's irrelevant now it's not irrelevant i don't think it's i said it's irrelevant
00:45:58.400
i said it's not nearly as relevant as when you get into genetics and you get into the to that level of
00:46:03.800
things um but the fossil the problem with bringing fossils up is as i said vast vast vast majority of
00:46:10.220
life forms never do fossilize that's just the reality the vast majority of those that do are not going
00:46:16.160
to be found because we're not excavating the entire earth um so inevitably by the nature of the thing
00:46:22.980
there are going to be fossils you don't find there are going to be you're going to find gaps in the
00:46:27.440
fossil records of course you are we're not going to know it'd be unreasonable to demand that every
00:46:32.900
single fossil be found and that you can show it of course so the problem is when people who deny
00:46:39.280
evolution come along and they point to those fossil gaps and they say see there you go we've been
00:46:43.880
proven correct you haven't been proven correct by the absence of this this or that thing i think what
00:46:50.440
you have to do and i think you you mentioned this uh bill and i agree with you that you have to look
00:46:56.480
at the totality you have to look at the the the cumulative case that both theories can make
00:47:04.500
not based on the absence of evidence of the other theory but based on their own evidence
00:47:09.900
what actual real evidence can you bring forward to actively prove your own theory
00:47:17.040
um and i think when you look at at it on that level i still think the evolutionary theory has
00:47:25.780
just way more evidence to recommend itself from my perspective this is from steve says matt darwinism
00:47:32.920
evolution uh was intended to show that there is no design or purpose in nature but that it is
00:47:38.100
undirected and random it is a materialistic theory that promotes the belief that there is nothing beyond
00:47:42.860
matter and energy there is no supernatural there is no god there is no designer or designer
00:47:46.720
design or designer it is incompatible with christianity or any religion that believes in
00:47:50.880
supernatural forces aside from the fact that there are questions that i have not had answered
00:47:55.860
by evolutionists which came first plant life or animal life how do creatures evolve digestive systems
00:48:01.860
to meet a different environment over thousands or millions of years creatures that starve to death
00:48:05.840
can't reproduce to have those changes evolve how did sexual reproduction evolve how does a land
00:48:10.400
creature evolve into a sea creature without dying and vice versa how would the body of a creature know
00:48:14.820
how to develop the systems necessary to live in a completely new environment over thousands of
00:48:17.900
millions of years if you say that anything is possible with enough time and chance as evolution
00:48:22.020
requires isn't that just a isn't that just magic and not science darwin's theory is not fact and when
00:48:27.320
honestly examined with science it falls apart the darwinist faithful do not want to let go of it
00:48:33.640
because it allows them to have a godless purely materialistic explanation of the world that they desire
00:48:37.800
i suggest jonathan wells icons of evolution to illustrate or jonathan wells icons of evolution
00:48:43.400
to illustrate how darwinist darwinists use misleading and false information to promote their disproven
00:48:50.640
theory okay um uh steve i'm not going to dissect every every sentence of this email i think there are
00:49:01.800
a number a number of problems here um first of all it's a claim that that evolution has been
00:49:08.360
disproven i you know i mean you you can go ahead and make the argument that you doesn't you're not
00:49:12.860
convinced by it because for this or that reason and go ahead and make that argument i'm not saying that
00:49:18.320
that's a stupid argument to make but to say that it's been disproven is that's just incorrect i don't
00:49:24.960
you know i doubt among people who understand the science who really understand it um and who
00:49:38.200
don't accept evolution i don't think any of them would say that evolution has been quote disproven
00:49:45.640
because disproven to disprove that is a you're setting the bar um for the burden of proof
00:49:54.940
for you is extremely high and you're gonna have to do a lot better than what you just did
00:50:00.760
to disprove it um as far as uh people just want to believe in in darwinism because it allows them to
00:50:10.040
have a godless universe that's just well how do you explain me then i mean right i a statement like
00:50:15.820
that i i can i can disprove that right now just with myself so i can prove that that is certainly at
00:50:23.620
least not the only possible reason why somebody might believe in evolution somebody might believe
00:50:28.580
in it quote unquote because they really just think that's where the evidence points and that's where
00:50:32.160
i fall i don't have any axe to grind with religion obviously and there are plenty of other christians
00:50:39.780
and members of other religions now you might say oh you can't possibly be religious and believe in
00:50:43.800
evolution well yeah but a lot of people are you can argue that they shouldn't be or that they don't
00:50:49.360
understand or whatever but um to to try to get into motivation and to say well the only reason
00:50:56.120
why somebody would believe in this is because they're trying to disprove god that obviously is
00:50:59.400
not true i can say from experience that is not true uh what else here i didn't want to overlook anything
00:51:09.140
um and then okay the the various questions you asked about how do you get from plant life to animal
00:51:15.940
life and and uh uh so on um beings evolving out of the water and and and then on to land and in
00:51:25.240
some cases going back into the water like as would be the case with say for instance whales well you
00:51:29.860
mentioned it in your other paragraph that really for a lot of that stuff uh it it does come down to
00:51:34.860
time that when you think of things on a on the scale that we tend to think of things which for us
00:51:41.760
you know uh quick would be an hour and a long time would be a day or a year or even a lifetime that's
00:51:49.480
how we think of things so on that scale all the questions you just asked are unanswerable it is it's
00:51:55.500
impossible to understand evolutionary theory on the scale that we think about things but when you think
00:52:01.380
of things on the time scale and you consider that earth has been around for four billion years
00:52:07.000
and life at its most rudimentary level has probably existed for three billion years
00:52:12.900
which means you've got a billion years of no life before you even get to life then another three
00:52:20.080
billion years basically to get from that most rudimentary level to human beings when you consider
00:52:27.160
that time scale i think it it handles most of your questions and that's not uh it's not a cop-out
00:52:34.620
it's just the time is very important so you have to keep going back to it that's a and i and i do believe
00:52:41.120
that i'm not saying this is the case for everybody but many people who doubt evolution i think for a lot
00:52:49.240
of them part of the reason they doubt it is because they they haven't totally considered the time scale
00:52:54.620
that we're talking about and what it really means or if they're young earth creationists they because
00:53:00.460
of their theology which i think is mistaken they can't consider it on that so they're thinking of
00:53:05.080
everything in the terms of 6 000 years now that's true if the whole universe is 6 000 years old then
00:53:09.700
yeah there's no time for any of this stuff to have happened and so evolution couldn't be the case but
00:53:13.820
uh i think the universe is in fact 14 billion years and the earth is about four to five billion years
00:53:18.200
all right um from andrew says hi matt my reason for rejecting evolution is maybe too simple but
00:53:24.660
i'll be honest i reject it because it is clear to me that human life is just too incredible too
00:53:28.560
beautiful to have been the product a product of blind chance even animal life eagles bears dogs etc
00:53:34.600
is all way too majestic and wonderful i know this isn't a scientific answer but that's how i feel
00:53:39.460
well there's nothing first of all i don't apologize for making an argument that isn't isn't
00:53:43.660
scientific exactly there's nothing wrong with making an argument like that i get what you're saying i
00:53:47.520
suspect that probably most people on your side of the issue would agree that this is one of their
00:53:53.200
main reasons for rejecting evolution it's a very visceral reason where you look and you see how
00:53:59.200
incredible human life is how beautiful uh so much of of life is and you think well this there's no way
00:54:07.400
that that evolution can explain that i would make two points though number one nobody is talking about
00:54:13.580
blind chance natural selection as a mechanism for facilitating evolution is not chance uh it's
00:54:20.620
sort of the opposite of chance really as far as blind well i guess as i suppose an atheist would have
00:54:27.340
to say that it's blind in a sense yeah i don't think it's blind though so i would say that it's neither
00:54:34.220
blind nor chance and anyone who accepts evolution would agree at a minimum that it's not chance yes the genetic
00:54:44.680
mutations are random but the process of natural selection is not random is not a roll of the dice it couldn't be
00:54:51.740
if it was then yeah there's no way you could have anything that we see around us explained by evolution but that's not
00:54:59.140
what the theory says so i would say it's not blind or chance second uh to the the sort of aesthetic
00:55:05.400
argument of of how beautiful uh life is i agree human life is beautiful bears and eagles are majestic
00:55:12.500
uh totally agree with that the problem though is that this argument cuts both ways and i think it cuts
00:55:18.580
more against you than for you because the world is also host to some very i would say not beautiful
00:55:27.520
life forms or at least some some life forms that would be very difficult some life forms that only
00:55:32.240
their mothers could love i'll put it that way um think of the wasp that lays its eggs inside a
00:55:39.880
caterpillar's body and then its babies eat the caterpillar from the inside and this is how the wasp
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lives this is how the wasp reproduces and survives this is what it does um it's not just that some of
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these wasps do this this is this is the behavior of the entire species think of tapeworms that can
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only survive inside the intestines of larger organisms think of spiders that eat their mates
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and eat their own babies um think of parasitic fungi that take over the brains of ants and turn them into
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zombies um there are many many many examples of this kind of thing life that it would be very hard to
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call majestic or beautiful head lice mosquitoes on and on and on now on evolution the proliferation of
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parasitic types of species is very easy to explain um in fact it's what you would expect even even if
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you didn't know that any of these life forms existed um but you knew about the theory of evolution
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evolution you would predict that probably these kinds of creatures are out there because it makes
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sense on a darwinian model right but on the view that god individually and specifically created each
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species apart from any natural process of evolution well then you have to explain why god would make the
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wasp that lays its eggs inside a caterpillar's body or the tapeworm that must live inside the bellies of
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third world people or the mosquito that sucks blood and spreads disease on a view that god allows
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evolution to operate uh to work according to its own laws and processes on that view then this problem
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becomes a little bit less of a problem but on your view i think i think you've got some explaining to do
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uh i think it becomes much more so it's sort of similar we talked last week about calvinism and i
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said how the problem of suffering is uh is a difficult challenge for any theist to meet it's one of those
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problems that we wrestle with and you think about and everything but on a non-calvinistic view it it's
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it's not a devastating problem it's not like it you know it has to make you abandon your belief in god
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there are ways of dealing with it especially because you have something like free will and that can
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explain not all of the suffering in the world but a lot of it where god allows people to make choices
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but i said on the calvinistic view it seems like the problem of suffering is totally devastating and
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insurmountable because then you really are specifically blaming god for all of the suffering
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where god engineers everything there really is no free will and everything is directly uh done
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conducted by god as this sort of puppet master this cosmic puppet master figure so i think on on calvinism
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the problem of suffering is very difficult is basically insurmountable i would say that on
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uh the anti-evolution view the issues raised by some of these rather horrific life forms that are
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parasitic and that can only survive by victimizing other forms of life i think on the non-evolutionary
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view it raises some pretty tough theological questions not it's not insurmountable like calvinism
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is not it's so it's not the exact same relationship like it is between the problem of suffering and
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calvinism i think there are ways you could you know i'm sure there are ways you could probably explain
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it i'm just trying to point out that the issue you bring up it does cut both ways as i said
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and i do think it cuts more against you than for you um whereas for me as someone who thinks
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that evolution is true i would say again that it's it's a similar sort of idea to free will not that
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it is free will but god gives us free will that's how the world works we are allowed to make choices
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and that includes bad choices same thing with evolution that's how the world works
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as decided by god and so it's going it's going to have certain results not all of them are going
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