The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 348 - The Great Columbus

00:00:00.140 Happy Columbus Day, everybody, and congratulations to anybody out there who actually gets to take off on Columbus Day.

00:00:06.160 I think that's a group that's now limited to public school teachers and post office employees.

00:00:11.400 I don't know if anyone else gets off anymore for Columbus Day, but it is a day to remember a great man.

00:00:18.180 And yes, I say a great man. Christopher Columbus was a great man.

00:00:21.580 Why was he great? Well, because he sailed across uncharted waters to an unknown destination,

00:00:26.460 and then he did it three more times. And in the process, he vastly expanded our knowledge and understanding of the world.

00:00:32.780 He planted the seeds of Western civilization. He changed the globe. He changed the course of history.

00:00:37.320 He had an impact on civilization that has lasted for 500 years and will last for 500 more than 1,000 years after that.

00:00:43.120 I would say that's something, isn't it? That's kind of impressive, maybe worthy of a statue, maybe worthy of your own day.

00:00:52.120 Now, if you want to have your own day in the future, you want to have your own statue, then do the same thing.

00:00:57.800 Change the course of history. Go ahead and try, if it's so easy to do.

00:01:03.580 One thing I'll say about Columbus Day, he certainly had an impact on history that far exceeds the impact

00:01:08.900 that his ungrateful modern critics, who enjoy the bounty of Western civilization,

00:01:16.420 while whining about the men who provided that bounty to them, will have.

00:01:24.960 Because those people who sit on Twitter and complain and say, 0.68

00:01:29.940 Christopher Columbus, he was a genocidal maniac, those people are going to die and be forgotten.

00:01:36.860 Nobody's going to remember them. 0.95

00:01:39.140 Because they're not doing anything with their lives.

00:01:43.000 Christopher Columbus is remembered 500 years later.

00:01:47.120 All I'm going to say is this, is that if, and hopefully maybe we can at least agree on this score.

00:01:55.120 If you can't even drive to the neighboring state, I forget about that.

00:02:00.820 If you can't even drive to your neighboring town, if you can't even drive to your local grocery store,

00:02:06.760 without the help of a satellite orbiting the earth, giving you step-by-step instructions,

00:02:13.140 saying, turn left here, turn right there, go 1.2 miles, turn right.

00:02:18.320 Okay, if you can't even do that,

00:02:20.980 if you can't even get to your CVS five blocks away,

00:02:24.840 without having to call upon the satellite,

00:02:27.180 satellite, help me!

00:02:28.120 Then maybe you can at least admit that it's kind of impressive that Columbus and his crew managed to make a voyage across thousands of miles of open ocean,

00:02:40.000 and then make it to a certain area on the map that wasn't even on the map yet,

00:02:44.920 because the map hadn't been drawn yet,

00:02:46.780 and then make it back there three more times.

00:02:52.420 Using routes, by the way, that are still used today.

00:02:58.220 500 years later.

00:02:59.260 Oh, but he thought he was going to Asia. 1.00

00:03:03.400 Stupid Columbus. 1.00

00:03:05.960 Thought he was going to Asia. 1.00

00:03:07.060 I didn't know where he was going.

00:03:09.640 Yes, it's true that Columbus committed the sin of not already having a completed map in front of him.

00:03:15.880 Do you know why you have a completed map?

00:03:17.980 Well, in fact, if you had a completed map, you couldn't use it,

00:03:20.820 because these days, even with a map,

00:03:23.500 even if someone gives us a map,

00:03:24.900 we are so ineffectual

00:03:26.760 that even if someone gives us a map

00:03:28.800 and shows us where to go, we couldn't do it.

00:03:30.600 We can't even read a map.

00:03:31.960 If you live in Cincinnati, Ohio,

00:03:34.420 and I gave you a map to show you how to get to Lexington, Kentucky,

00:03:37.480 if you're like a modern American,

00:03:38.960 you couldn't even do it.

00:03:39.980 You wouldn't have any idea.

00:03:41.440 What's this line mean?

00:03:42.520 What is that?

00:03:43.900 No, you need the satellite to say,

00:03:45.860 listen, dummy, make a right here, left there, 0.61

00:03:48.020 okay, go one. 0.97

00:03:48.740 That's what you need.

00:03:51.320 But Columbus, he didn't have the satellite.

00:03:52.680 He didn't have a map either,

00:03:53.700 and the reason he didn't have a map

00:03:55.000 is because no one had made a map of the world yet,

00:04:01.840 and the reason no one had made a map of the world

00:04:03.880 is that no one had seen the entire world, okay?

00:04:07.200 There were large swaths of the planet

00:04:09.260 that nobody had seen,

00:04:11.180 and so how could he know?

00:04:15.860 Oh, but the Vikings found North America.

00:04:18.300 Yeah, the Vikings did find North America,

00:04:20.100 but they didn't establish lasting settlements.

00:04:22.220 They didn't build upon that discovery,

00:04:26.680 and so that's how nobody knew.

00:04:30.440 The Vikings didn't understand what they had discovered.

00:04:35.340 But yeah, Leif Erikson, I mean, give the Vikings credit too.

00:04:38.140 I give all these guys credit.

00:04:40.600 It's very impressive to get into a ship

00:04:43.840 having no idea really where you're going

00:04:46.460 and to just sail that way.

00:04:47.980 That's how the map was originally drawn,

00:04:50.400 is that someone had to get in a ship

00:04:52.900 and just go that away.

00:04:57.480 And just like hundreds of years later,

00:04:59.960 when it was time to make a comprehensive map

00:05:04.340 of the continental United States,

00:05:06.920 someone had to just go that away,

00:05:10.600 cross the entire expanse of the continental U.S.

00:05:14.780 I mean, this took, there had to be courageous,

00:05:19.060 pioneering men to do this,

00:05:21.540 and I am grateful that they did.

00:05:24.960 Yeah, these guys, they weren't perfect.

00:05:28.820 In some ways, they had to not be perfect

00:05:32.560 because do you have any idea

00:05:35.260 what kind of person you have to be

00:05:38.500 to get on a ship leading a fleet of ships

00:05:43.080 with a bunch of men

00:05:44.760 and go across unknown waters?

00:05:49.140 You have no idea how long you're going to be gone

00:05:51.180 or how far you're going to have to go.

00:05:53.840 You have no idea if you're going to survive.

00:05:55.380 There's a very good chance you won't.

00:05:56.720 There's a very good chance you'll die.

00:06:00.560 But to maintain order

00:06:02.120 and discipline

00:06:04.260 and to prevent, you know, mutiny

00:06:06.480 and to prevent them from throwing you overboard

00:06:08.780 when they get sick and tired of being on the ship

00:06:10.860 and to make sure that everyone doesn't starve to death

00:06:13.640 or die of scurvy,

00:06:14.960 do you know what's required?

00:06:18.000 It takes men who are, yes, 0.86

00:06:19.880 a little bit brutal.

00:06:24.040 A little bit dictatorial, even.

00:06:27.420 That's what was required.

00:06:31.460 Without that,

00:06:32.380 without those kinds of men doing those things,

00:06:35.400 Western civilization,

00:06:36.640 as we know it,

00:06:37.620 does not exist.

00:06:38.820 And I, for one,

00:06:39.800 am quite glad that it does exist

00:06:41.500 because I like living here.

00:06:43.880 It's not perfect.

00:06:45.040 There are problems.

00:06:45.900 I'll be the first to point out those problems

00:06:47.600 and criticize those problems.

00:06:50.000 But I prefer living in Western civilization

00:06:53.020 than anywhere else.

00:06:56.260 And here's what I'll say to you.

00:06:57.520 If you feel terrible about living here,

00:06:59.920 if you feel guilt-ridden,

00:07:03.980 we have no right to be here,

00:07:05.300 we stole this land,

00:07:06.260 we're on stolen land,

00:07:07.200 so on and so forth.

00:07:08.160 Well, if you really feel that way,

00:07:10.140 then you are welcome to leave.

00:07:11.880 And I don't mean that as,

00:07:13.260 you know, this is not,

00:07:14.040 if you don't like it, get out.

00:07:15.200 That's not exactly what this is.

00:07:16.500 Well, that's a little bit what this is,

00:07:17.860 but it's true

00:07:18.760 that it's not even if you don't like it.

00:07:20.740 It's more if you feel

00:07:22.500 like there's a real moral problem

00:07:26.860 with us even being here,

00:07:28.460 then I think you are

00:07:29.500 morally obligated to leave.

00:07:33.520 If you really feel like

00:07:34.800 this is stolen property,

00:07:36.340 then why are you staying here?

00:07:39.440 Go somewhere else.

00:07:41.940 I hear the Middle East 0.95

00:07:42.980 is very nice this time of year.

00:07:45.620 Of course, the problem is

00:07:46.760 if you go anywhere else on the globe,

00:07:49.300 especially in the Middle East,

00:07:50.200 but really anywhere,

00:07:52.180 you are inevitably going to end up

00:07:54.120 on quote-unquote stolen land.

00:07:56.860 Because no matter where you go,

00:07:58.100 unless you're going to Antarctica

00:07:59.440 or something, okay,

00:08:01.340 unless you're going to some place

00:08:02.340 where nobody lives,

00:08:04.760 if you're going to a place

00:08:06.960 where there are people,

00:08:08.060 you are more than likely

00:08:09.760 going to end up,

00:08:10.420 no matter where it is,

00:08:11.380 no matter what continent,

00:08:12.460 it doesn't matter,

00:08:13.440 you're going to end up in a place

00:08:14.520 that has been quote-unquote stolen.

00:08:18.040 Historically.

00:08:18.440 Probably multiple times.

00:08:21.300 The people living on that plot of land,

00:08:23.600 their ancestors,

00:08:25.140 probably stole it

00:08:26.160 from the people

00:08:26.640 who were living before.

00:08:27.800 And those people

00:08:28.780 were probably stole it

00:08:29.680 from the people before that.

00:08:31.480 Because for thousands of years

00:08:32.940 of human civilization,

00:08:34.240 that's the way the world worked.

00:08:36.860 It was a time of conquest. 0.72

00:08:39.500 Where if you wanted to live

00:08:40.800 on a certain plot of land,

00:08:41.760 you fought for it.

00:08:44.360 And that's the way it worked everywhere.

00:08:46.120 It's not pretty.

00:08:48.460 It's not nice.

00:08:51.200 But that's the way it worked.

00:08:52.720 And it's very easy for us

00:08:54.400 in the year 2019

00:08:55.180 to sit here

00:08:55.940 and say,

00:08:56.680 well, that feels wrong.

00:08:58.060 I don't like that.

00:08:58.800 That makes my tummy hurt

00:09:00.120 to think that people did that.

00:09:01.500 I don't like it.

00:09:04.640 Okay, well, you know what?

00:09:05.400 That's what your ancestors did.

00:09:06.720 That's what everybody's ancestors did.

00:09:08.920 I mean, coming to the new world,

00:09:16.420 what do you think

00:09:17.640 the Indian civilizations were doing?

00:09:19.200 You think they were just

00:09:20.160 living peacefully with each other,

00:09:21.940 just playing patty cake?

00:09:23.120 What do you think they were doing?

00:09:25.780 How do you think the Aztecs,

00:09:28.100 when Cortez came across

00:09:30.080 the Aztec civilization,

00:09:31.320 what is now Mexico,

00:09:32.400 how do you think they

00:09:33.680 got all that land

00:09:35.620 they were living on?

00:09:37.100 How do you think they got it?

00:09:38.260 You think they just came in

00:09:39.520 and asked the inhabiting tribes nicely,

00:09:43.660 hey, would you guys mind

00:09:44.400 if we set up a civilization here?

00:09:45.560 Would you mind?

00:09:46.460 Oh, you would?

00:09:46.980 Well, never mind.

00:09:47.740 See you later.

00:09:49.160 No, you know what they did?

00:09:50.600 They came in, 0.96

00:09:52.500 they killed almost everybody,

00:09:54.720 and of the survivors,

00:09:56.260 they would take

00:09:56.840 some of the children

00:09:57.920 and some of the women, 0.98

00:09:59.820 some of the women 0.98

00:10:00.660 they would take as sex slaves, 0.97

00:10:01.960 and some of the children 0.99

00:10:02.800 they would take,

00:10:03.960 and they would cut out their hearts 0.99

00:10:05.960 as human sacrifices. 1.00

00:10:08.260 and then cut off their limbs 1.00

00:10:10.060 and eat them. 0.99

00:10:11.420 That's what the Aztecs did.

00:10:13.860 That's how they gained land.

00:10:16.940 It was a brutal time.

00:10:18.700 Very brutal.

00:10:21.100 And nobody's

00:10:23.400 ancestral hands are clean.

00:10:26.300 Nobody.

00:10:26.700 But again,

00:10:30.020 if you feel bad about it,

00:10:31.180 if you're real torn up,

00:10:32.980 I would respect that.

00:10:35.680 You know,

00:10:35.840 I would respect someone

00:10:36.720 who says,

00:10:37.240 you know what,

00:10:37.620 I just,

00:10:38.020 I really feel this is stolen land,

00:10:39.360 and I'm going to give my land back.

00:10:41.260 You could call up,

00:10:42.180 you know,

00:10:42.980 an Indian reservation.

00:10:45.520 You could say,

00:10:46.080 hey, you know,

00:10:46.580 I've got property,

00:10:47.420 I want to donate it to you,

00:10:48.880 and I'm going to go live,

00:10:50.260 and I don't know where.

00:10:50.980 I don't know where you're going to go.

00:10:51.960 Like I said,

00:10:52.480 there's nowhere you can really go

00:10:53.540 that isn't stolen,

00:10:54.260 but you could find someplace.

00:10:55.540 Maybe you will go down to Antarctica.

00:10:57.960 They have research facilities

00:10:59.340 down there.

00:10:59.820 You could see if you could set up

00:11:00.780 shop in one of those.

00:11:02.480 Build an igloo or something,

00:11:03.960 maybe.

00:11:07.540 So that was my yearly annual

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00:12:38.100 Let's see.

00:12:39.880 What's the controversy

00:12:40.640 of the day?

00:12:41.160 Well,

00:12:41.440 Columbus is one controversy

00:12:43.720 because 500 years later,

00:12:45.120 of course,

00:12:45.360 people still haven't

00:12:45.940 quite gotten over

00:12:46.840 things.

00:12:48.120 But the other

00:12:51.160 controversy is

00:12:52.300 over this meme.

00:12:54.360 And I can hardly

00:12:55.100 say that without laughing

00:12:56.380 because,

00:12:57.280 of course,

00:12:57.560 a controversy

00:12:58.180 over a meme

00:12:59.100 is just really,

00:13:00.180 that's very worthwhile,

00:13:02.840 isn't it,

00:13:03.180 for us to have

00:13:03.600 a controversy

00:13:04.040 over a meme?

00:13:05.140 There was an event

00:13:06.020 for Trump supporters

00:13:06.900 a few days ago

00:13:07.660 hosted by a group

00:13:08.380 called American Priority.

00:13:10.100 And it was held

00:13:10.960 at a Trump resort

00:13:11.860 in Miami.

00:13:14.480 Apparently,

00:13:14.860 during this event,

00:13:16.040 from what I've heard,

00:13:16.800 in one of the side rooms

00:13:17.860 at the resort,

00:13:18.880 there was a session

00:13:19.720 about memes.

00:13:21.740 And I don't really know

00:13:22.840 why,

00:13:23.320 but there was.

00:13:24.400 And a bunch of memes

00:13:25.720 were being played.

00:13:26.420 And one of the memes

00:13:27.480 has people very upset today

00:13:29.420 because it shows

00:13:30.060 President Trump 0.96

00:13:30.900 murdering a bunch

00:13:32.200 of news media logos 0.89

00:13:33.300 and a few people,

00:13:34.460 too.

00:13:34.840 Not real people,

00:13:35.640 but the faces of people

00:13:36.900 transplanted on other people.

00:13:39.640 And I'm not sure

00:13:40.460 how much of this

00:13:41.040 they'll let me play,

00:13:41.720 but I wanted to give you

00:13:42.400 a quick sampling

00:13:43.300 of this controversial meme

00:13:46.560 that has people

00:13:47.000 very upset today.

00:13:48.620 So here's a little bit

00:13:50.120 of that.

00:13:50.500 Watch.

00:13:51.440 How dare you separate them

00:13:53.100 from their parents? 0.99

00:13:54.840 We're going to rip your son 0.99

00:13:56.080 from his mother's arms 1.00

00:13:57.220 and throw him in a cage 1.00

00:13:58.680 full of pedophiles 1.00

00:13:59.820 and let them have... 0.98

00:14:01.300 So the video,

00:14:26.820 as I said,

00:14:28.300 it shows Trump

00:14:28.940 in what looks like a church

00:14:30.060 shooting a bunch of media logos

00:14:31.560 and media people.

00:14:33.540 From the reports I've read,

00:14:36.060 this was played in,

00:14:37.800 as I said,

00:14:38.340 a side room.

00:14:39.940 Most of the attendees

00:14:40.760 didn't see it,

00:14:41.920 weren't aware of it.

00:14:43.500 They learned about it

00:14:44.300 in the media reports.

00:14:45.780 Trump himself,

00:14:46.620 obviously,

00:14:47.000 had nothing to do with this.

00:14:48.020 He didn't put it together.

00:14:51.200 His campaign

00:14:51.680 had nothing to do with it.

00:14:53.160 Someone played it

00:14:54.460 in a mostly empty room.

00:14:55.760 A few people saw it.

00:14:57.100 And now everyone

00:14:58.380 has seen it

00:14:59.080 because the media,

00:15:00.780 ironically,

00:15:01.340 has amplified this message,

00:15:02.720 a message that they think

00:15:03.620 is so dangerous and horrible,

00:15:05.140 yet they're the ones

00:15:05.980 putting it out there

00:15:06.580 for everybody to see.

00:15:08.420 Now,

00:15:09.080 it is in poor taste,

00:15:10.740 certainly.

00:15:12.300 It's in poor taste. 1.00

00:15:14.140 It's stupid. 1.00

00:15:15.680 It's stupid on a number 1.00

00:15:16.900 of levels, 1.00

00:15:17.440 levels, 0.99

00:15:18.020 and it's even dumber 0.99

00:15:19.180 for a supporter 0.99

00:15:20.460 to play something like that

00:15:21.900 at an ostensible Trump event

00:15:24.020 because who do you think

00:15:25.760 you're helping?

00:15:27.360 Like,

00:15:27.660 what good do you think

00:15:28.660 is going to come of that?

00:15:30.520 So whoever it is

00:15:31.480 that put that together

00:15:32.320 and then decided

00:15:33.220 to play it at a Trump event,

00:15:34.280 you're definitely

00:15:36.260 not helping the guy

00:15:37.400 that you're ostensibly

00:15:38.120 trying to support.

00:15:39.500 There is no universe

00:15:40.740 where that's helpful.

00:15:42.820 Best case scenario

00:15:43.800 is that it makes

00:15:44.340 a few Trump supporters laugh,

00:15:46.260 but that's it.

00:15:48.400 You're not going to win

00:15:49.080 any votes

00:15:50.500 or win any favor that way, 1.00

00:15:52.340 so it's a very stupid thing. 0.99

00:15:53.920 But I can't help but think, 0.99

00:15:55.640 you know,

00:15:56.580 this meme uses

00:15:57.800 what is obviously

00:15:59.000 a scene from a movie,

00:16:00.920 and it turns out

00:16:01.680 that the movie

00:16:02.120 is called Kingsman,

00:16:04.020 a movie,

00:16:04.940 a well-known

00:16:05.560 blockbuster movie,

00:16:07.380 and now it's a franchise.

00:16:09.160 How many Kingsman movies?

00:16:10.560 There have been

00:16:11.120 two or three

00:16:11.560 Kingsman movies now.

00:16:12.420 I haven't seen them,

00:16:15.440 but apparently

00:16:16.160 there's a scene

00:16:16.840 in that film

00:16:17.500 where a guy,

00:16:18.920 Colin Firth,

00:16:19.660 slaughters a bunch

00:16:20.320 of people at a church.

00:16:22.240 And apparently

00:16:22.680 in the original movie,

00:16:23.940 these are Westboro

00:16:26.240 Baptist church

00:16:27.220 type people.

00:16:29.160 So basically,

00:16:30.060 it's a parody

00:16:30.620 of what Hollywood

00:16:31.660 thinks,

00:16:33.360 you know,

00:16:34.400 all churches are like.

00:16:35.680 This is a parody

00:16:36.740 of,

00:16:38.520 according to Hollywood,

00:16:39.840 every church,

00:16:40.660 especially in the South.

00:16:42.420 And the protagonist,

00:16:43.540 Colin Firth,

00:16:44.500 murders almost

00:16:46.680 everybody in the building

00:16:47.500 in the original scene.

00:16:51.220 And I do have to wonder

00:16:53.760 if this meme

00:16:54.800 is so offensive

00:16:55.640 and so potentially dangerous

00:16:57.760 and in such poor taste,

00:17:01.160 why isn't the original scene

00:17:03.480 also offensive

00:17:04.940 and dangerous

00:17:05.860 and in poor taste?

00:17:06.780 So if a guy

00:17:09.420 is slaughtering

00:17:10.200 a bunch of media members,

00:17:11.320 it's a problem,

00:17:11.880 but if he slaughters

00:17:12.820 a bunch of rubes

00:17:13.640 at a church,

00:17:14.260 it's okay.

00:17:15.740 That message is fine.

00:17:18.940 This scene

00:17:19.620 has been out there

00:17:20.320 for almost five years now.

00:17:23.340 Nobody ever complained

00:17:24.120 about it.

00:17:26.160 In fact,

00:17:26.860 it's more than that.

00:17:28.520 It's not just that

00:17:29.060 nobody complained

00:17:29.800 about this scene

00:17:30.480 when it first came out.

00:17:31.580 It's that they actively

00:17:32.500 celebrated it.

00:17:33.540 Let me read

00:17:36.600 a relevant passage

00:17:37.500 from a 2015

00:17:38.620 Washington Post review

00:17:39.940 of Kingsman.

00:17:40.680 This is what

00:17:41.060 the Washington Post

00:17:42.200 in 2015

00:17:42.680 had to say

00:17:43.720 about that scene

00:17:44.680 when it was just 0.78

00:17:46.220 Christians getting murdered 1.00

00:17:47.200 and not media members. 0.91

00:17:49.580 They said,

00:17:51.360 of course,

00:17:51.800 this being a modern movie,

00:17:53.040 there's loads of violence,

00:17:54.200 though most of it

00:17:54.740 is bloodless

00:17:55.260 and surprisingly balletic.

00:17:56.940 Balletic, ballet, you know.

00:17:59.000 Like a ballet

00:17:59.920 is what they say.

00:18:00.440 It's like a ballet.

00:18:02.100 One massacre

00:18:03.000 set in a conservative

00:18:04.000 Christian church

00:18:04.700 in the American Deep South

00:18:05.580 is a master class

00:18:07.080 in cartoonish

00:18:08.400 fight choreography.

00:18:10.080 A master class.

00:18:12.440 Now, I was trying

00:18:13.260 to find out more

00:18:14.200 about the context

00:18:15.320 of this original scene

00:18:16.240 and I found an article

00:18:17.180 on theringer.com

00:18:19.000 from a few years ago

00:18:20.680 which says that

00:18:21.580 this scene of

00:18:22.220 Colin Firth

00:18:22.720 slaughtering churchgoers

00:18:23.780 is the most, quote,

00:18:25.340 well-regarded scene

00:18:26.480 in the movie.

00:18:28.460 And then the article

00:18:30.220 goes on to use

00:18:30.960 a lot of very glowing

00:18:31.900 language to talk about it.

00:18:33.080 The article says,

00:18:33.900 quote,

00:18:34.660 it's an unquestionably

00:18:35.720 brilliant kinetic scene.

00:18:37.220 One that, without doubt,

00:18:38.940 is a master class

00:18:40.260 in fight timing

00:18:41.180 and filming.

00:18:41.800 Master class.

00:18:42.360 This was the favorite phrase

00:18:43.580 apparently used

00:18:44.300 to describe this scene.

00:18:46.760 So again,

00:18:47.540 when it's

00:18:48.000 a British guy 0.96

00:18:50.820 shooting a bunch

00:18:53.720 of parodies 0.99

00:18:55.400 of Christians,

00:18:57.180 it's a master class.

00:18:59.280 It's ballet.

00:18:59.920 It's kinetic.

00:19:01.280 It's enthralling.

00:19:03.080 It's beautiful to watch.

00:19:06.160 But when it's a meme

00:19:07.360 of Trump

00:19:07.920 shooting a bunch 0.71

00:19:08.500 of media people, 0.96

00:19:09.280 now it's horrible

00:19:10.200 to disgrace.

00:19:11.100 It's violent.

00:19:11.880 It's dangerous.

00:19:15.580 All of these things.

00:19:17.580 Now, the fact

00:19:18.320 that these characters

00:19:19.000 who are being killed

00:19:19.800 in the original scene,

00:19:20.860 and not even characters,

00:19:21.780 they're just meat puppets

00:19:22.760 whose only function 1.00

00:19:23.760 is just to get shot 1.00

00:19:24.520 in the head. 1.00

00:19:24.880 But the fact

00:19:26.760 that they're supposed

00:19:27.240 to be Westboro Baptist

00:19:28.380 types just makes it

00:19:29.780 worse in some ways.

00:19:30.900 Because one,

00:19:31.620 that's how Hollywood

00:19:32.320 again sees all Christians,

00:19:34.140 especially in the South.

00:19:35.380 But two,

00:19:36.660 making them Westboro Baptist 0.98

00:19:38.820 people is just

00:19:39.740 a cheap narrative trick

00:19:41.120 which allows the viewer

00:19:43.140 to find sick joy

00:19:44.500 in watching Christians 1.00

00:19:45.940 get killed. 0.97

00:19:47.500 You just make that 1.00

00:19:48.560 one little,

00:19:49.300 you know,

00:19:49.560 make them racist,

00:19:50.760 and all of a sudden

00:19:51.540 we can all watch it

00:19:52.460 and enjoy it.

00:19:53.620 When in reality,

00:19:54.560 of course,

00:19:55.420 yes,

00:19:55.740 the Westboro Baptist 1.00

00:19:56.400 people are scumbags. 1.00

00:19:57.360 I think we can all 1.00

00:19:57.900 agree, though,

00:19:58.560 that it wouldn't be okay

00:19:59.400 to go and shoot 1.00

00:20:00.100 50 of them in the head. 1.00

00:20:02.060 Right?

00:20:04.020 But this allows people,

00:20:05.660 especially media elites,

00:20:07.840 they can watch a scene

00:20:08.780 like that and play out 0.90

00:20:09.920 their sick fantasies 1.00

00:20:11.240 of killing Christians, 1.00

00:20:13.020 and they can feel okay 1.00

00:20:14.880 about it because the

00:20:15.720 Christians in this movie 0.99

00:20:16.560 are racist. 1.00

00:20:18.740 Never mind that,

00:20:20.120 again,

00:20:20.580 that the media thinks

00:20:21.640 that all Christians

00:20:22.220 are racist, 0.94

00:20:22.700 so as far as

00:20:23.200 they're concerned,

00:20:23.940 those could be anybody,

00:20:25.280 any Christian.

00:20:28.080 And, I mean,

00:20:29.000 I don't know how else

00:20:30.280 to interpret it

00:20:31.080 because if you're someone

00:20:33.960 who saw the original scene

00:20:36.900 and you loved it,

00:20:38.600 and then you see this meme

00:20:40.960 and you say,

00:20:42.340 this is terrible

00:20:42.940 because it allows people

00:20:44.720 to fantasize about

00:20:45.520 killing media members, 0.99

00:20:47.860 well, then I can only, 0.99

00:20:48.920 okay, well,

00:20:49.660 so that's how you see it.

00:20:50.640 So, then why did you

00:20:52.180 love it before?

00:20:54.560 I can only assume

00:20:55.500 it's because you,

00:20:57.120 it allowed you

00:20:57.840 to fantasize 1.00

00:20:58.480 about killing Christians. 1.00

00:21:03.420 But if you're going to say 0.99

00:21:04.660 that, oh, no,

00:21:05.380 the original scene

00:21:06.020 is just a cartoon,

00:21:06.960 it's a joke,

00:21:07.660 it's not, you know,

00:21:08.300 it's, it's, it's,

00:21:09.040 it's not,

00:21:09.420 there's nothing to it,

00:21:10.320 it's, don't worry about it.

00:21:12.300 If you're going to say that

00:21:13.140 about the original scene,

00:21:14.040 then how do you not

00:21:15.500 say that about the meme?

00:21:17.400 Couldn't the same excuse

00:21:18.700 be made for the meme?

00:21:19.680 Couldn't anyone say,

00:21:20.400 well, it's just a joke,

00:21:21.260 it's not anything serious,

00:21:22.140 no one's taking it seriously.

00:21:25.660 Seems to me,

00:21:26.400 you need to have

00:21:26.840 a consistent narrative,

00:21:28.900 a consistent,

00:21:29.400 a consistent approach.

00:21:35.560 All right,

00:21:36.860 so let's see what else here.

00:21:37.840 This was fun.

00:21:38.800 Look at this headline

00:21:39.440 from Forbes.

00:21:40.560 The headline says,

00:21:42.060 why Pakistan should be 1.00

00:21:43.380 on every solo female

00:21:44.860 traveler's bucket list.

00:21:47.040 Why Pakistan should be 1.00

00:21:49.020 on every solo female

00:21:50.080 traveler's bucket list.

00:21:51.280 I'm just waiting

00:21:52.080 for the follow-up of this,

00:21:53.380 like,

00:21:54.000 why a back alley

00:21:55.740 in West Baltimore

00:21:56.480 is a great place

00:21:57.300 for any solo female

00:21:58.360 to go camping.

00:22:00.240 Or maybe,

00:22:01.100 why the shark tank

00:22:03.320 at the aquarium

00:22:04.000 is a great place

00:22:04.900 to bathe your toddler.

00:22:07.420 Or maybe,

00:22:08.400 why the microwave

00:22:09.900 is a great place

00:22:10.880 to stick your head.

00:22:12.700 Just wonderful advice

00:22:13.820 from the media,

00:22:14.440 as always.

00:22:15.240 And the media

00:22:16.080 is so desperate

00:22:16.900 to be woke

00:22:17.580 that they're going

00:22:18.600 to encourage

00:22:18.960 a bunch of women 1.00

00:22:19.500 to go out

00:22:19.860 and get kidnapped

00:22:20.440 or imprisoned 0.68

00:22:21.520 or murdered

00:22:22.060 just to prove

00:22:23.180 how woke they are.

00:22:23.900 So that's wonderful.

00:22:26.320 Now,

00:22:26.640 this was kind of interesting.

00:22:27.560 I wanted to play this

00:22:27.980 for you really quick.

00:22:29.320 Here's Bernie Sanders

00:22:30.460 in an interview

00:22:31.520 trying to differentiate

00:22:32.700 himself from Elizabeth Warren.

00:22:35.080 Elizabeth Warren

00:22:35.680 has been a friend of mine

00:22:36.480 for some 25 years.

00:22:37.640 And I think she is

00:22:40.000 a very, very good senator.

00:22:42.100 But there are differences

00:22:43.000 between Elizabeth and myself.

00:22:44.500 Elizabeth, I think,

00:22:45.260 as you know,

00:22:45.680 has said that she is

00:22:46.380 a capitalist through her bones.

00:22:48.480 I'm not.

00:22:49.500 I think the situation today

00:22:50.780 that we face in this country

00:22:51.920 of the greed

00:22:53.040 and the corruption

00:22:53.860 that is existing

00:22:55.780 in Washington,

00:22:56.860 that is existing

00:22:57.680 at the corporate elite level,

00:23:00.820 where you have

00:23:01.460 massive amounts

00:23:02.220 of price-fixing

00:23:03.200 going on

00:23:03.760 in the drug companies,

00:23:04.580 where we're the only

00:23:05.180 major country on Earth

00:23:06.100 not to guarantee

00:23:07.040 health care

00:23:07.620 to all people.

00:23:08.780 Where we have right now

00:23:09.920 as we speak

00:23:10.660 in the fossil fuel industry,

00:23:12.920 you've got companies

00:23:13.460 making billions of dollars

00:23:14.620 a year in profit.

00:23:15.860 Doing what?

00:23:16.640 Oh, by the way,

00:23:17.400 they're destroying the planet.

00:23:18.940 All right.

00:23:19.560 And I think business

00:23:20.640 as usual

00:23:21.560 and doing it

00:23:22.820 the old-fashioned way

00:23:23.840 is not good enough.

00:23:25.080 It's not regulation.

00:23:26.020 Now, what we need

00:23:26.560 is, in fact,

00:23:27.300 I don't want to get people 0.98

00:23:28.080 too nervous.

00:23:28.820 We need a political revolution.

00:23:30.420 I am, I believe,

00:23:31.300 the only candidate

00:23:32.120 who's going to say

00:23:33.080 to the ruling class

00:23:34.020 of this country,

00:23:34.760 the corporate elite,

00:23:35.700 enough enough

00:23:36.320 with your greed

00:23:37.200 and with your corruption. 0.69

00:23:38.940 We need real change

00:23:39.680 in this country.

00:23:40.240 So you don't think

00:23:40.680 that's what Elizabeth Warren said?

00:23:41.660 Well, look,

00:23:42.580 Elizabeth is a friend of mine.

00:23:43.800 She will speak for herself.

00:23:44.900 I've just told you what I do.

00:23:45.800 But you've said

00:23:46.240 there are differences

00:23:46.900 and you just mentioned the label.

00:23:48.900 Well, I guess,

00:23:49.620 well, it's not a label.

00:23:50.740 I mean, Elizabeth considers herself,

00:23:52.860 if I got the quote correctly,

00:23:54.140 to be a capitalist

00:23:54.820 to her bones.

00:23:55.560 I don't.

00:23:56.380 And the reason I am not

00:23:58.000 is because I will not tolerate

00:23:59.360 for one second

00:24:00.020 the kind of greed

00:24:01.260 and corruption

00:24:01.960 and income

00:24:03.420 and wealth inequality

00:24:04.460 and so much suffering

00:24:06.080 that is going on

00:24:07.000 in this country today,

00:24:07.740 which is unnecessary.

00:24:09.480 I love how on the left

00:24:10.960 these days

00:24:11.480 you can accuse

00:24:13.240 your opponent

00:24:14.120 of supporting freedom

00:24:15.200 too much.

00:24:16.980 That's basically

00:24:17.720 the accusation, right?

00:24:19.780 Well, you know,

00:24:20.280 the difference between me

00:24:20.920 and her

00:24:21.220 is that she still

00:24:22.980 sort of believes

00:24:23.800 in liberty a little bit.

00:24:25.700 That's her problem. 0.99

00:24:26.560 Now, it used to be

00:24:28.840 that the left

00:24:29.500 gave lip service

00:24:31.700 to freedom.

00:24:33.200 They supported

00:24:34.620 and enjoyed

00:24:35.440 and loved freedom

00:24:37.320 in theory

00:24:38.020 but not in practice.

00:24:40.620 Now, they've kind of dropped,

00:24:42.280 they've torn off the mask,

00:24:44.100 they've dropped the act,

00:24:45.400 and they don't even support

00:24:46.820 freedom in theory anymore.

00:24:48.980 They're just anti-freedom.

00:24:51.500 And that's Bernie Sanders,

00:24:53.080 that's his whole campaign,

00:24:54.300 really.

00:24:54.620 That's his whole campaign

00:24:55.500 is saying, you know,

00:24:55.980 you don't need freedom

00:24:56.660 and liberty.

00:24:57.320 Who cares about that?

00:24:58.920 What you need

00:24:59.440 is the government

00:25:00.040 to take care of you.

00:25:01.740 My children,

00:25:02.600 that's what you need.

00:25:04.080 There, there.

00:25:04.740 Pat on the head.

00:25:06.580 Okay, one other thing

00:25:07.680 before we get to emails.

00:25:09.200 Media matters.

00:25:10.040 You know,

00:25:10.420 I love media matters

00:25:12.240 at the Daily,

00:25:12.800 here at the Daily Wire,

00:25:13.740 we all love media matters.

00:25:16.080 They do so much

00:25:17.100 to promote us

00:25:17.880 and for free.

00:25:19.460 You know,

00:25:20.160 all these companies

00:25:20.940 are stuck

00:25:23.420 sort of paying

00:25:24.460 for marketing

00:25:25.120 while we have

00:25:26.620 media matters

00:25:27.200 to market for us

00:25:28.020 for free.

00:25:29.600 And my favorite thing

00:25:30.540 that media matters does

00:25:31.220 is they'll watch

00:25:32.740 all the Daily Wire shows.

00:25:34.780 They're watching

00:25:35.500 this one right now,

00:25:36.340 so whoever you are watching,

00:25:38.300 whatever media matters,

00:25:39.640 Minion is watching,

00:25:40.600 I say hello

00:25:41.080 and thank you

00:25:41.800 for being here.

00:25:43.120 Welcome to the show.

00:25:44.980 Hope you found

00:25:45.600 something useful.

00:25:47.360 What I would recommend,

00:25:48.240 actually,

00:25:48.580 media matters guy,

00:25:49.400 is go,

00:25:50.240 I'm sure you've probably

00:25:51.100 already done it,

00:25:51.600 but my opening thing

00:25:53.300 about Columbus,

00:25:54.080 I'm sure there's stuff

00:25:54.740 you could find there.

00:25:55.600 Maybe cut a clip of that,

00:25:57.320 put it on,

00:25:58.200 accuse me of racism

00:25:59.040 or whatever,

00:25:59.720 whatever you're going to do,

00:26:01.700 xenophobia,

00:26:02.600 whatever your thing is.

00:26:04.500 Who knows,

00:26:05.080 maybe even homophobia.

00:26:06.060 Maybe there's a way

00:26:06.640 you can make that homophobic.

00:26:07.620 I don't know.

00:26:08.420 It's always fun to see

00:26:09.340 what you guys do with it.

00:26:10.360 I really enjoy it

00:26:11.300 because I enjoy,

00:26:12.640 I do the show

00:26:13.220 and,

00:26:14.380 you know,

00:26:16.040 I make my points

00:26:17.140 and then I love

00:26:19.040 to see

00:26:19.500 how the media matters,

00:26:22.620 they can take

00:26:23.960 something that I've said

00:26:24.840 and find a point

00:26:26.640 that I didn't make

00:26:27.620 and I just,

00:26:28.840 I love to see

00:26:29.360 how they do it.

00:26:30.520 Kind of putting the pieces

00:26:31.580 of the puzzle together.

00:26:32.800 So I'll look forward to that

00:26:33.960 because I know

00:26:36.780 what my show's about

00:26:37.600 but then I go

00:26:39.020 to media matters

00:26:39.700 and I find out

00:26:40.620 what they think

00:26:41.240 it was about.

00:26:41.860 So I can go and say,

00:26:42.540 what was my show

00:26:43.380 about today?

00:26:46.040 Anyway,

00:26:46.400 so last week

00:26:49.140 they were going

00:26:49.560 after Ben

00:26:50.280 because he had

00:26:51.020 the audacity

00:26:51.640 to say that

00:26:52.220 he would physically

00:26:52.800 defend his child

00:26:53.520 against forced

00:26:54.080 indoctrination

00:26:55.100 by the state.

00:26:56.700 A sentiment shared

00:26:57.680 by literally

00:26:58.340 any loving parent

00:26:59.540 in the country.

00:27:01.740 What he said

00:27:02.380 about that,

00:27:03.660 that he would

00:27:06.620 physically defend

00:27:07.260 his child

00:27:07.640 from forced

00:27:08.680 indoctrination,

00:27:09.580 that's,

00:27:10.160 any parent

00:27:10.740 would feel that way.

00:27:12.580 Now they also

00:27:13.140 came after me

00:27:14.060 and I thought

00:27:15.260 this was great.

00:27:15.880 Jason Campbell

00:27:16.780 at Media Matters

00:27:17.560 posted this clip

00:27:18.300 of my show

00:27:18.740 from Friday.

00:27:19.840 He posted it

00:27:20.540 because he thought

00:27:21.100 it was really bad

00:27:21.900 and controversial

00:27:22.580 and outrageous

00:27:23.680 and he thought

00:27:25.720 people would be

00:27:26.220 mad at me about it

00:27:27.160 and let me,

00:27:28.180 let me play,

00:27:28.860 I hope this isn't

00:27:29.500 too self-indulgent

00:27:30.240 but I want to play

00:27:30.880 for you the clip

00:27:32.000 of my show

00:27:32.880 that Jason Campbell

00:27:34.620 from Media Matters

00:27:35.340 put up.

00:27:35.760 Watch this.

00:27:37.000 It's almost like

00:27:37.560 these parents

00:27:38.100 are conditioning

00:27:38.720 their kids

00:27:39.300 to have gender

00:27:39.980 confusion

00:27:40.460 so that they,

00:27:41.760 the parents,

00:27:42.620 can parade

00:27:43.220 their children around

00:27:44.100 like fashion statements

00:27:45.380 saying,

00:27:46.960 look at me,

00:27:47.300 look how woke I am,

00:27:48.220 my own kid

00:27:48.800 is transgender,

00:27:49.600 look, 0.98

00:27:50.040 look!

00:27:52.720 It's horrifying,

00:27:53.660 it really is.

00:27:55.160 That young girl,

00:27:56.360 and she is a girl,

00:27:57.440 she is being abused.

00:27:59.900 This is psychological

00:28:01.000 and emotional abuse

00:28:02.280 of the worst kind

00:28:04.340 because you're

00:28:07.520 depriving her

00:28:08.460 of a childhood,

00:28:10.800 you're depriving her

00:28:11.620 of an identity,

00:28:13.400 you are forcing her

00:28:15.600 to have an identity crisis,

00:28:17.800 I just love that

00:28:20.260 because,

00:28:21.180 and if you go

00:28:21.640 and you,

00:28:21.940 if you go to Twitter

00:28:22.700 and you see that,

00:28:23.460 that post from,

00:28:25.560 from Jason Campbell,

00:28:27.040 you're going to find,

00:28:27.920 you read,

00:28:28.200 and you look at the comments,

00:28:29.440 most of the comments

00:28:30.360 are saying,

00:28:31.020 well,

00:28:31.180 yeah,

00:28:31.320 I agree with him.

00:28:32.960 Absolutely.

00:28:33.360 Because what I'm saying there

00:28:35.900 is just,

00:28:36.620 it's not any great insight,

00:28:38.680 there's nothing,

00:28:39.220 there's nothing terribly insightful

00:28:40.740 or smart about it,

00:28:43.380 it's just,

00:28:43.820 it's just really basic common sense

00:28:46.140 that any sane,

00:28:48.320 normal person agrees with.

00:28:51.940 That trying to impose

00:28:53.600 gender confusion

00:28:54.700 on your child

00:28:55.900 is abusive, 0.64

00:28:56.920 it is psychological

00:28:57.680 and emotional abuse.

00:28:59.940 I 100% stand by that,

00:29:01.800 I make absolutely

00:29:02.740 no apology for it at all.

00:29:05.300 I'll just continue

00:29:06.340 to reiterate the point.

00:29:08.700 And,

00:29:08.760 and what's more,

00:29:11.320 this is,

00:29:11.940 again,

00:29:12.300 any normal person agrees.

00:29:15.980 So you find how the left

00:29:17.660 is just,

00:29:18.500 they're getting to the point now

00:29:19.720 where they don't even understand

00:29:22.340 how normal people think.

00:29:25.420 Where they see a clip like that

00:29:27.320 and they think,

00:29:29.040 so here's the great thing,

00:29:30.860 is that media matters,

00:29:32.640 they didn't even

00:29:33.440 try to twist it

00:29:35.520 or usually they'll twist

00:29:36.760 what,

00:29:37.480 what one of us says

00:29:38.400 and they'll,

00:29:38.820 they'll try to,

00:29:39.600 like I said,

00:29:39.920 they'll try to find racism

00:29:41.500 or homophobia

00:29:42.180 or whatever

00:29:42.660 where it doesn't exist.

00:29:44.780 Um,

00:29:45.380 but in this case,

00:29:46.940 they thought that what I said

00:29:49.580 was so self-evidently terrible

00:29:52.200 that they didn't even have

00:29:53.920 to explain it.

00:29:54.740 They would just quote it,

00:29:55.820 put the clip up

00:29:56.580 in context,

00:29:58.460 I'll admit,

00:29:58.880 that's totally in context

00:30:00.020 and they thought

00:30:01.120 it's just self-explanatory.

00:30:02.620 Put it up

00:30:03.080 and people would see it

00:30:03.840 and think how horrible

00:30:04.700 that man is.

00:30:07.560 When really,

00:30:08.260 it's the opposite.

00:30:09.140 90% of people hear that

00:30:11.040 and think,

00:30:11.540 well, yeah,

00:30:11.800 of course,

00:30:12.380 that's how I feel.

00:30:16.260 They,

00:30:16.800 they,

00:30:17.180 they're going so far

00:30:18.320 off the cliff

00:30:18.940 that they,

00:30:19.440 they're not even capable

00:30:20.600 of understanding

00:30:21.720 how normal people think.

00:30:24.740 it is,

00:30:27.280 uh,

00:30:27.440 it's remarkable.

00:30:30.760 And now,

00:30:31.840 we've gotten to the point

00:30:33.460 now on the left

00:30:34.260 where,

00:30:34.640 um,

00:30:36.240 you know,

00:30:37.140 uh,

00:30:37.640 uh,

00:30:38.040 having a child

00:30:40.040 who,

00:30:40.560 a seven-year-old

00:30:41.380 transgender child,

00:30:42.460 that on the left now

00:30:43.460 is,

00:30:43.680 is this mainstream thing

00:30:45.380 where everyone's supposed

00:30:46.440 to accept it,

00:30:47.500 nobody can question it.

00:30:48.840 when,

00:30:50.660 of course,

00:30:50.900 10 years ago,

00:30:52.220 even people on the left

00:30:53.440 would have said,

00:30:54.000 well,

00:30:54.180 hold on a second.

00:30:55.000 This is,

00:30:55.500 that's,

00:30:55.960 hold on.

00:30:56.680 I mean,

00:30:56.880 they're kids.

00:30:57.440 Let's,

00:30:57.740 let's,

00:30:57.980 let's calm down

00:30:58.640 for a second here.

00:31:00.920 So you're taking this position

00:31:02.220 that 10 years ago,

00:31:03.120 even on the far left

00:31:04.760 would have seemed radical,

00:31:06.680 kind of absurd,

00:31:07.720 way too far,

00:31:08.620 and now it's mainstream.

00:31:09.820 And if you question it,

00:31:10.980 then you are

00:31:12.000 self-evidently a bigot

00:31:13.960 in their mind.

00:31:16.080 All right,

00:31:16.260 let's go to emails,

00:31:17.040 mattwalshow at gmail.com,

00:31:18.580 mattwalshow at gmail.com.

00:31:20.880 This is from Jessica,

00:31:21.860 says,

00:31:22.120 hi,

00:31:22.340 Matt,

00:31:22.480 I'm a big fan of your show.

00:31:23.840 I listen to it every day

00:31:24.900 while I'm at work.

00:31:26.060 I heard about a joke

00:31:26.840 that SNL made

00:31:27.580 about Pope Francis

00:31:28.360 saying that there were

00:31:29.560 going to be discussions

00:31:30.520 about lifting the celibacy

00:31:31.680 requirement for priests.

00:31:33.620 I looked up the article

00:31:34.660 and I believe it was

00:31:35.720 in response to a specific

00:31:36.880 situation in parts

00:31:37.760 of South Africa

00:31:38.400 where the church,

00:31:39.360 or South America,

00:31:40.080 rather,

00:31:40.560 where the church

00:31:41.020 is underrepresented.

00:31:42.740 As a Catholic,

00:31:43.520 I've often wondered

00:31:44.400 if allowing priests

00:31:45.240 to be married

00:31:46.140 and have families

00:31:46.780 would be such a big deal.

00:31:48.080 I feel like since

00:31:48.680 there's a priest shortage

00:31:49.460 in general,

00:31:50.260 not just in South America,

00:31:51.680 that allowing them

00:31:52.320 to be married

00:31:52.880 and have families

00:31:53.560 would make priesthood

00:31:54.260 a more realistic option

00:31:55.340 for people

00:31:55.760 and more men

00:31:56.780 would be interested

00:31:57.360 in becoming one.

00:31:58.820 Yeah, Jessica,

00:31:59.640 I find myself

00:32:00.200 more and more amenable

00:32:01.020 to this idea.

00:32:02.120 I think the desire

00:32:02.860 to have a family,

00:32:04.540 to have a wife,

00:32:06.180 is a good and healthy desire

00:32:07.700 for a man to have. 0.57

00:32:10.140 The church is ruling out

00:32:11.760 a lot of potentially

00:32:12.960 good priests

00:32:13.760 simply because

00:32:15.100 they have a good

00:32:15.880 and healthy desire.

00:32:17.920 And I think maybe

00:32:18.720 that's not a good strategy.

00:32:21.240 I think to remain celibate

00:32:22.860 your whole life

00:32:23.600 requires a superhuman

00:32:26.060 self-control.

00:32:27.700 And it's obvious

00:32:28.440 that a lot of priests

00:32:29.280 don't have that self-control.

00:32:32.660 But they're being set up

00:32:33.760 to fail,

00:32:34.600 you know,

00:32:34.900 they're being set up

00:32:35.440 to fail in service

00:32:36.560 of an extraordinary requirement

00:32:38.200 that in and of itself

00:32:39.380 is not really necessary

00:32:40.920 and maybe not even beneficial.

00:32:44.900 So you're setting up

00:32:45.860 all these priests

00:32:46.440 to fail

00:32:46.900 simply because

00:32:48.520 they can't manage

00:32:50.780 to,

00:32:52.600 what,

00:32:53.680 reject

00:32:54.260 the very natural

00:32:57.260 desire to have a family?

00:33:00.420 And that is what,

00:33:01.420 and that's what a lot of people

00:33:02.160 don't understand.

00:33:03.260 In the church,

00:33:04.200 the problems

00:33:06.660 in the priesthood,

00:33:09.100 you know,

00:33:11.140 when we talk about this,

00:33:12.160 now,

00:33:12.580 when we're talking about

00:33:14.160 the pedophilia

00:33:16.220 in the priesthood,

00:33:17.540 well,

00:33:18.880 with that,

00:33:19.580 getting rid of the

00:33:20.020 celibacy requirement,

00:33:20.840 that's not going to do

00:33:21.460 anything for that.

00:33:23.420 If you've got pedophiles 0.96

00:33:24.600 coming into the priesthood, 0.98

00:33:25.580 that's,

00:33:25.940 you know,

00:33:26.520 whatever the celibacy

00:33:27.360 requirement is,

00:33:28.040 that's,

00:33:28.520 you're not going to solve

00:33:29.640 that, 0.98

00:33:30.100 the pedophile problem.

00:33:31.160 And people always

00:33:31.720 point that out.

00:33:32.260 They say,

00:33:32.540 well,

00:33:32.640 that's,

00:33:32.940 you know,

00:33:33.300 the celibacy requirement

00:33:34.360 has nothing to do with it.

00:33:35.420 It's not going to solve

00:33:35.960 the problem.

00:33:36.580 Yeah,

00:33:36.760 it's not going to solve

00:33:37.440 that issue,

00:33:38.420 but that's been

00:33:39.380 the minority of cases.

00:33:43.480 The more common

00:33:45.680 and more widespread problem,

00:33:48.340 even if it doesn't get

00:33:49.000 media attention

00:33:49.640 because the media

00:33:50.100 doesn't really care about it,

00:33:51.620 but if you talk to any priest,

00:33:52.800 they'll tell you

00:33:53.220 that the more widespread issue

00:33:54.800 is just priests

00:33:56.920 who end up in

00:34:00.280 consensual relationships

00:34:02.220 with other adults,

00:34:03.760 men or women.

00:34:05.500 And that is a big issue

00:34:07.180 in the priesthood

00:34:07.680 across the board.

00:34:12.420 And it probably always has been

00:34:13.640 to a certain extent

00:34:14.280 because again,

00:34:15.040 when you're telling people

00:34:17.400 that they have to be celibate

00:34:18.320 their whole lives,

00:34:18.780 there's going to be a certain,

00:34:19.900 probably significant percentage

00:34:21.220 who just can't do it.

00:34:22.760 They can't live up to that.

00:34:24.920 But I just wonder

00:34:25.840 if this is creating

00:34:27.740 a lot of chaos

00:34:29.740 and turmoil

00:34:30.580 and everything

00:34:31.460 that isn't necessary.

00:34:33.940 And so maybe the church

00:34:35.740 could say,

00:34:37.200 yeah,

00:34:37.840 if you're a married man,

00:34:39.440 faithful to your wife,

00:34:42.620 you have a family,

00:34:44.340 sure,

00:34:44.840 we welcome you.

00:34:46.680 Maybe that's exactly

00:34:47.920 the kind of man

00:34:48.800 we want in the priesthood,

00:34:50.180 it turns out.

00:34:52.080 All right.

00:34:53.180 Let's go to,

00:34:54.800 from Nathan says,

00:34:55.720 Matt,

00:34:55.960 what did you think

00:34:56.380 of the new Breaking Bad movie?

00:34:57.680 Yeah,

00:34:57.820 El Camino,

00:34:58.480 the Breaking Bad movie

00:34:59.340 came out.

00:34:59.720 I know a lot of people

00:35:00.300 were disappointed in it.

00:35:01.420 It came out on Netflix

00:35:02.020 on Friday.

00:35:02.640 I really liked it.

00:35:03.460 I thought it was

00:35:04.120 a very good epilogue

00:35:05.260 to Breaking Bad series.

00:35:09.600 It didn't reinvent the wheel,

00:35:11.300 but it wasn't supposed to.

00:35:12.440 I enjoyed going back

00:35:13.660 and revisiting those characters.

00:35:15.440 I think Vince Gilligan

00:35:16.220 is a genius,

00:35:17.720 the writer of the show,

00:35:18.560 creator of the show.

00:35:21.280 To be able to go back

00:35:22.460 after, what,

00:35:22.920 five or six years

00:35:23.760 and reclaim,

00:35:25.540 you know,

00:35:25.700 kind of,

00:35:26.980 not just tell the,

00:35:28.280 not just go back

00:35:29.080 into that world,

00:35:29.800 but really capture

00:35:30.740 that world again.

00:35:32.660 I think a lot of people

00:35:34.740 couldn't do that.

00:35:35.640 And you see so often

00:35:37.000 where you have these shows

00:35:37.920 that are resurrected

00:35:38.620 or whatever

00:35:39.280 after many years

00:35:39.980 and they fail

00:35:41.280 to capture the feel

00:35:42.440 of the original show.

00:35:44.160 And in this case,

00:35:44.680 I think Gilligan

00:35:45.920 did a great job of that.

00:35:47.340 And so I liked it.

00:35:48.360 All right.

00:35:48.560 This is from Mitchell,

00:35:49.680 says,

00:35:49.920 Hi, Matt,

00:35:50.320 love the show

00:35:50.920 and seeing as though

00:35:51.880 you're a new father

00:35:52.580 once more.

00:35:53.580 I'm wondering

00:35:54.020 what your thoughts are

00:35:54.860 on spanking your children. 1.00

00:35:56.060 I'm 25 0.98

00:35:56.580 and not thinking

00:35:57.280 of having a child yet.

00:35:58.060 However,

00:35:58.660 I am torn on this topic

00:35:59.720 and hope that you

00:36:00.340 can shed some insight.

00:36:02.520 Yeah, Mitchell,

00:36:02.960 that's a great question.

00:36:03.700 So there are two,

00:36:04.480 two sort of

00:36:05.940 different questions here.

00:36:07.020 One is,

00:36:07.700 am I against spanking

00:36:08.740 in principle?

00:36:09.900 And the second is,

00:36:10.820 do I,

00:36:11.320 do I myself

00:36:12.300 choose to spank my kids? 1.00

00:36:14.100 The answer to the second one

00:36:15.340 is no,

00:36:15.820 I don't.

00:36:16.740 We don't spank. 1.00

00:36:17.720 But that doesn't

00:36:19.580 necessarily mean

00:36:20.480 that our answer

00:36:21.300 to the first question

00:36:23.340 is yes,

00:36:24.280 that we're against it

00:36:25.020 in principle.

00:36:26.840 Okay,

00:36:27.100 so,

00:36:28.060 so this is really

00:36:29.800 our thought process.

00:36:31.880 My,

00:36:31.960 well,

00:36:33.260 my wife and I

00:36:34.500 are on the same page,

00:36:35.240 but I'm not going to speak

00:36:35.800 for her,

00:36:36.160 so I'll just speak

00:36:36.940 for myself.

00:36:38.000 This is my thought process.

00:36:40.220 I don't spank 0.99

00:36:41.180 our kids

00:36:42.160 and I'll tell you

00:36:43.600 the reason.

00:36:45.160 I think that spanking 0.99

00:36:46.260 can be a valid,

00:36:47.920 legitimate,

00:36:49.720 constructive form

00:36:50.700 of discipline.

00:36:52.220 I also think

00:36:53.380 it can be abuse,

00:36:55.060 right?

00:36:55.800 And I think

00:36:56.480 we'd all agree,

00:36:57.280 right,

00:36:57.620 that,

00:36:57.920 I mean,

00:36:58.740 nobody thinks,

00:36:59.940 no decent person

00:37:00.860 thinks that parents

00:37:02.280 just have carte blanche

00:37:03.380 to hit their kids

00:37:04.320 whenever they want, 0.86

00:37:05.480 however they want,

00:37:06.200 for whatever reason,

00:37:06.960 in whatever way.

00:37:09.200 Obviously,

00:37:09.780 there is such a thing

00:37:10.580 as physical abuse.

00:37:12.660 No,

00:37:13.120 I don't think

00:37:13.500 that spanking 0.88

00:37:14.020 in principle

00:37:14.900 is physical abuse,

00:37:16.020 but I think

00:37:16.460 it can be.

00:37:17.520 And I think

00:37:17.880 the line

00:37:18.420 between constructive

00:37:19.380 discipline and abuse

00:37:20.520 is somewhat subtle

00:37:22.280 and that scares me

00:37:24.240 because,

00:37:24.760 again,

00:37:25.120 on one side

00:37:26.040 of that line

00:37:26.600 is constructive

00:37:27.300 discipline.

00:37:28.020 On the other side

00:37:28.940 is,

00:37:29.860 well,

00:37:30.140 you're physically

00:37:30.660 abusing your kid.

00:37:31.980 And so,

00:37:33.160 you know,

00:37:33.420 it can be

00:37:35.040 a somewhat fine line

00:37:36.340 sometimes,

00:37:37.860 but the fact

00:37:39.360 that

00:37:39.720 on one side

00:37:41.780 of that line

00:37:42.640 is something

00:37:43.180 so horrific,

00:37:44.160 like physical abuse

00:37:44.960 of a child,

00:37:46.460 that,

00:37:46.820 you know,

00:37:48.280 scares me

00:37:48.720 a little bit.

00:37:49.900 So here's

00:37:50.420 what I think

00:37:50.680 it comes down to.

00:37:51.260 If you're hitting

00:37:51.800 your child

00:37:52.300 in anger, 0.88

00:37:53.820 call it spanking 0.92

00:37:54.720 if you want,

00:37:55.400 but if you are

00:37:56.580 spanking your child

00:37:57.620 because you're pissed off 0.99

00:37:58.880 and you had a long day,

00:38:02.540 you're overwhelmed,

00:38:04.120 you're at the end

00:38:05.220 of your rope,

00:38:05.720 whatever,

00:38:07.560 that is physical abuse.

00:38:09.200 No question.

00:38:10.920 Now,

00:38:11.220 there's nothing wrong

00:38:11.840 with being angry

00:38:12.740 and being frustrated.

00:38:14.200 You had a long day.

00:38:14.980 You're at the end

00:38:15.320 of your rope.

00:38:15.720 All parents feel

00:38:16.680 like that sometimes.

00:38:17.420 I know that I do.

00:38:19.400 But 0.90

00:38:19.760 hitting your child

00:38:21.640 as a way 0.99

00:38:22.980 of communicating

00:38:23.660 your frustration

00:38:24.520 or letting off steam

00:38:26.840 is physical abuse,

00:38:29.780 obviously.

00:38:30.520 There's no way around it.

00:38:32.800 My concern,

00:38:33.720 my worry,

00:38:34.340 is that

00:38:34.840 I think a lot

00:38:36.600 of people

00:38:36.920 who spank their kids 1.00

00:38:37.940 spank them 0.95

00:38:39.020 like that 0.99

00:38:39.740 in anger

00:38:41.180 that's even

00:38:45.220 the kind of spanking 0.99

00:38:45.960 and this is not

00:38:47.140 necessarily

00:38:47.960 a fair sample,

00:38:49.140 but the kind of spanking 0.83

00:38:50.460 that you see

00:38:50.960 in public sometimes

00:38:51.820 where a mother

00:38:54.120 is kind of

00:38:55.680 losing her temper

00:38:56.840 at the grocery store

00:38:57.620 and swatting the kid

00:38:58.480 or whatever.

00:38:59.040 We've all seen

00:38:59.720 scenes like that.

00:39:01.920 That's almost

00:39:02.560 always in anger.

00:39:05.940 Now,

00:39:06.200 it's not necessarily,

00:39:07.380 like I said,

00:39:07.660 it's not a fair sampling

00:39:08.660 because the people

00:39:09.640 who don't spank 0.98

00:39:10.800 in anger

00:39:11.160 are by definition

00:39:12.920 not doing it in public

00:39:13.940 so we don't really

00:39:14.500 see that happening.

00:39:17.260 But

00:39:17.500 I often hear people

00:39:20.340 reminiscing

00:39:21.120 fondly

00:39:22.580 about their own

00:39:23.640 physical abuse

00:39:24.360 as a kid.

00:39:24.900 It's sort of disturbing.

00:39:26.280 And what it tells me

00:39:27.020 is that they're probably

00:39:28.080 doing the same thing

00:39:29.020 to their kids

00:39:29.600 if they think of it

00:39:31.980 in such a positive way

00:39:33.760 what happened to them.

00:39:34.880 But, you know,

00:39:36.460 you'll hear people

00:39:37.220 it's like when

00:39:38.160 there's a story

00:39:39.120 about a kid

00:39:39.800 behaving terribly

00:39:40.720 at school

00:39:41.340 and you'll hear

00:39:43.600 someone say

00:39:44.140 something like,

00:39:44.940 oh man,

00:39:45.680 you know,

00:39:45.840 when I was a kid

00:39:46.600 if I did that

00:39:47.720 when I got home

00:39:48.360 my dad would

00:39:49.000 have lost it 0.97

00:39:49.900 and beat the hell

00:39:50.500 out of me.

00:39:52.240 Okay,

00:39:52.700 so your dad 0.98

00:39:53.440 would have abused you 0.97

00:39:54.380 is what you're saying. 0.97

00:39:55.760 Your dad

00:39:56.460 would have gotten angry

00:39:57.500 and taken out

00:39:58.340 his frustration

00:39:59.100 by beating up

00:40:00.040 a child.

00:40:01.160 So you realize

00:40:02.040 that's bad,

00:40:02.800 right?

00:40:03.820 You know,

00:40:04.380 you realize

00:40:04.960 that your dad 0.94

00:40:06.100 abused you. 0.81

00:40:06.880 That's abuse.

00:40:07.540 That's not okay.

00:40:10.660 It's,

00:40:11.800 to beat up a child

00:40:12.800 because you're pissed off 0.96

00:40:13.760 is cowardly 0.91

00:40:14.720 and wrong

00:40:15.440 and it's just,

00:40:16.140 that's not okay.

00:40:18.160 So maybe it's just

00:40:19.000 a figure of speech

00:40:19.820 or something

00:40:20.460 but the way people

00:40:22.380 sometimes talk about

00:40:23.600 the discipline

00:40:25.000 that they got

00:40:25.660 when they were kids,

00:40:27.460 hearing the story,

00:40:28.680 I think as a parent

00:40:29.920 that is actually horrible.

00:40:31.200 I would never do that

00:40:31.940 to my kid.

00:40:35.140 Now,

00:40:35.660 I mean,

00:40:37.480 even a phrase like,

00:40:38.440 and you hear this,

00:40:38.980 like,

00:40:39.180 beat the hell out.

00:40:39.780 Oh,

00:40:39.920 my dad would have

00:40:40.380 beat the hell out. 0.99

00:40:41.460 Beat the hell out of you? 0.97

00:40:42.700 That's,

00:40:43.060 again,

00:40:43.380 that's not,

00:40:44.140 no,

00:40:44.420 that's not good.

00:40:47.100 That was your dad 1.00

00:40:47.960 being a coward 0.98

00:40:48.760 if that's really 0.99

00:40:50.160 what he did.

00:40:52.360 I mean,

00:40:52.600 what, 0.51

00:40:52.780 beat the hell

00:40:53.280 out of a seven-year-old?

00:40:56.320 And,

00:40:56.560 and you're putting that,

00:40:58.040 that's what,

00:40:58.500 that's a manly form

00:40:59.940 of being a parent?

00:41:02.200 I mean,

00:41:02.760 control your emotions,

00:41:03.840 be a man,

00:41:04.540 control yourself.

00:41:06.040 That's what you want

00:41:06.820 from your own kids.

00:41:09.340 What do we tell

00:41:10.000 our own kids all the time?

00:41:11.060 Use your words,

00:41:12.060 control yourself.

00:41:13.780 It's not okay

00:41:14.500 to get mad

00:41:14.960 and hit somebody.

00:41:15.980 I'm telling my own,

00:41:16.920 my own six-year-old son

00:41:17.840 this all the time

00:41:18.640 because he's a child

00:41:19.880 and he has a lot of aggression.

00:41:20.980 He doesn't know

00:41:21.300 how to communicate it.

00:41:22.500 And so he'll get mad 0.87

00:41:23.280 and he'll hit somebody.

00:41:24.880 And so I'm always telling him,

00:41:26.200 that's not okay.

00:41:27.080 You do not express

00:41:28.340 your anger that way.

00:41:29.620 So how could I turn around

00:41:31.320 and do it

00:41:31.800 if I'm telling him

00:41:32.460 all the time

00:41:33.000 not to do it?

00:41:35.240 Now,

00:41:35.840 on the other hand,

00:41:37.840 not all spanking

00:41:40.320 is like that.

00:41:41.640 I think there is

00:41:42.500 a healthy form of it.

00:41:43.960 The healthy form

00:41:44.920 is one

00:41:45.560 completely devoid

00:41:46.900 of anger.

00:41:47.400 I think this is so important.

00:41:49.100 There is no anger

00:41:50.400 in it at all.

00:41:52.040 You're spanking 1.00

00:41:52.800 your child

00:41:53.400 because that is

00:41:54.120 the penalty

00:41:54.600 and you're taking

00:41:56.080 a very business-like

00:41:57.100 approach

00:41:57.600 and you're saying,

00:41:59.820 okay,

00:42:00.180 here's what you did.

00:42:01.740 Here's the penalty.

00:42:03.060 And now I'm going

00:42:03.720 to dole out that penalty.

00:42:05.460 You're not angry.

00:42:06.600 You're not beating

00:42:07.200 the hell out of.

00:42:08.120 You're not anything like that.

00:42:09.080 It's just you are

00:42:10.440 giving the child

00:42:12.820 the penalty

00:42:13.360 and you are in control

00:42:15.640 of your emotions

00:42:16.300 the whole time.

00:42:17.180 I think that kind

00:42:18.060 of spanking is fine

00:42:18.980 and that's fine parenting.

00:42:20.720 That's good parenting.

00:42:21.820 And I know that there are

00:42:22.700 parents who spank that way 1.00

00:42:23.780 and I say about that

00:42:25.820 that, you know,

00:42:26.720 great.

00:42:27.880 We don't do it

00:42:28.740 in our family

00:42:29.280 because it's not right

00:42:30.260 for us,

00:42:30.720 I don't think.

00:42:31.600 But I think that

00:42:33.200 if that's what you do,

00:42:34.920 fine.

00:42:36.600 But I just,

00:42:37.960 you know,

00:42:38.260 I think it's so important

00:42:39.140 to emphasize that

00:42:40.000 there cannot be

00:42:43.000 any emotion

00:42:43.680 or anger in it.

00:42:50.320 And,

00:42:50.980 but that's the problem

00:42:52.940 is that we,

00:42:53.480 we naturally get

00:42:54.720 angry at our kids

00:42:56.000 and parenting,

00:42:57.440 it can be a very

00:42:58.460 emotional thing

00:42:59.420 a lot of the time.

00:43:02.320 Not just because

00:43:03.080 you're angry at your kid,

00:43:04.020 but because you're,

00:43:04.860 you love your kid,

00:43:05.640 you're,

00:43:06.580 there's a lot of frustration.

00:43:07.820 You just,

00:43:08.140 you want your,

00:43:08.780 you know,

00:43:08.940 you just,

00:43:09.460 parenting is just

00:43:11.400 a jumble of emotion

00:43:12.240 sometimes

00:43:12.640 and it's hard

00:43:13.140 to sort through it.

00:43:13.800 so I don't know

00:43:17.040 to put those

00:43:19.840 emotions totally

00:43:20.860 to the side

00:43:21.600 and administer

00:43:22.200 a punishment like that.

00:43:23.640 Like,

00:43:24.080 as I said,

00:43:24.420 we just don't do it,

00:43:25.400 but

00:43:25.680 can that be difficult

00:43:30.580 sometimes?

00:43:30.920 I don't know.

00:43:33.280 I just,

00:43:34.080 it worries me

00:43:34.960 that again,

00:43:35.500 the way people

00:43:35.980 talk about spanking 1.00

00:43:37.080 often,

00:43:38.180 the way they talk

00:43:39.840 about it,

00:43:40.020 the way they describe it,

00:43:40.980 either their own

00:43:41.540 experience of it

00:43:42.340 when they were kids

00:43:42.960 or how they dole it out

00:43:44.000 now as parents,

00:43:45.820 from the way it sounds,

00:43:47.120 it sounds an awful lot

00:43:48.200 like abuse

00:43:48.740 and that,

00:43:49.600 that concerns me.

00:43:50.600 So,

00:43:51.260 that's what I would say.

00:43:56.120 All right,

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The Matt Walsh Show - October 14, 2019

Ep. 348 - The Great Columbus

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