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The Matt Walsh Show
- October 23, 2019
Ep. 355 - Our Collective Plunge Into Madness
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Sentence Count
280
Misogynist Sentences
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Hate Speech Sentences
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You know, on the plus side, we are giving historians and anthropologists of the future
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a lot to do. They're going to have a very interesting time of it as they discuss and
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debate the question of when exactly did the once great American civilization of those ancient times
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go insane? And why did it happen? And how? And I can only imagine a thousand years from now,
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500 years from now, what conclusions they'll draw about that. As an American citizen myself
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in the present day, actually bearing witness to the collapse of sanity and reason in real time,
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just as we all are, I'm not sure that I can answer those questions. And I'm watching it happen.
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But perhaps hindsight will lend a little bit of clarity for them. What I do know is that this
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case we've been talking about this week, the case of James Younger, I think will be viewed as a,
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in the future as a seminal moment in our collective plunge into madness. It may be seen as,
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at least from a legal standpoint, the point of no return, the crossing of some sort of Rubicon.
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Now, I want to talk a little more about this case today because if the mass media isn't going to
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cover it, which they aren't, then that's all the more reason for me to continue to talk about it.
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In fact, today I want to talk about both of the stories that the mass media has been ignoring
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this week. And I've covered both of them already, but I want to continue those conversations.
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But first, just to review, as we talk about this James Younger case,
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if you didn't catch the show yesterday, just a quick review of what's going on. A man named
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Jeff Younger has been locked in this bitter court battle with his ex-wife, Ann Georgilis.
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Despite being a medical professional herself, a pediatrician of all things, God help us,
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she, and presumably therefore someone who understands basic facts about human biology
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and child psychology, Georgilis got it into her apparently deranged head that her son James
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is really a girl named Luna. And there's an interesting fact about that name. I'll get to
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it in a little bit. The factors that convince Georgilis that her son is really her daughter
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include, but are not limited to, his affinity for the movie Frozen and his request to get
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a girl toy from McDonald's. She also says that he started expressing an interest in wearing
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girls' clothing. But Jeff Younger has explained in multiple interviews that if James, the son,
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ever had any desire or does have any desire to wear a girl clothing sometimes, it's only because
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his mother started putting him in dresses and painting his nails and dressing him up essentially
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like a drag queen when he was three years old. Now, Jeff also claims that other methods of
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manipulation were used, some pretty insidious methods according to him, including he says,
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for example, when the child was three years old, he would be locked in his room by his mother
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in timeout and told that the monsters only eat little boys. Jeff also speculates that Georgilis
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would withhold affection from the child unless he was wearing girl clothes, which is another way of
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manipulating and getting James to, quote, want to dress in girl clothes. So the court case revolved
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around Jeff's efforts to rescue his sons, James and his twin brother. There's another boy involved in
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this from the abuse of this sick and twisted woman. However, the decision was passed down yesterday,
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as we talked about the court ruled against the father, virtually all control of the child and
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all decisions were handed over to the mother. Jeff brought this case trying to get sole custody of
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the kids so that he could prevent this transitioning into a girl that is in the process of happening right
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now. So the jury looked at it and they said, yeah, you know what? We are going to give sole custody to
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somebody, but not you. We're going to give it to the mom so that the kid can become a girl. And now
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she is free to continue the, quote, social transition of James into a girl, a process that is well underway
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already as he goes by Luna and, and wears a girl clothing and poses as a girl at school and so on.
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And eventually she can, and presumably will start James on drugs to chemically castrate him.
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In fact, she, she did say in court that now she was very careful not to say that, yeah, we're
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definitely going to do this right away because she knows how that sounds. It sounds grotesque
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and barbaric, which it is, but she did indicate that sure in the future, that is something that
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we will explore that could happen in the future. And I would say, it seems pretty clear to me that
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if she has sole custody of the kid, it's going to happen. That's the direction that this is headed.
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You start the social, the social transition means you're dressing them as a girl. You're
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pretending as a girl, you're calling them a girl. You're in other words, is another word for
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brainwashing, uh, conditioning. You might better call it social conditioning rather than social
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transitioning. And then once you've done that, the next step in the process is you start doing
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the drugs, puberty blockers, and then you give them the hormone drugs, the estrogen and so on.
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All right. Um, now it should be noted that, and this has been a point of contention in the case that
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Jeff, the father says that when he is with the boy, he, the boy expresses no interest in being
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a girl, doesn't want to wear a girl clothing or anything. He refuses to wear a girl clothes.
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That's, that's what he says. The mother claims the opposite and says that, no, no, no, no. When,
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when Luna, uh, comes back to me, she quote unquote is, is relieved to return to her quote unquote
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identity as a girl. Now, I think both claims are probably true. In a sense, the poor boy realizes
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that it pleases his mother for him to be Luna. And so he wants to play that role for her.
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And anyway, in any case, the question of how he really identifies is irrelevant. The point is that
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James is a boy, plain and simple, whatever confusion he is suffering from confusion that has
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been painstakingly planted in his head by his mother, his mother, who, in my opinion, should go
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to prison just as every adult that is involved in this kind of thing, including the doctors and
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everybody else who is involved in this sort of abusive children should all go to prison. And they
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would in a sane world, but we don't live in a sane world, but that confusion could be easily alleviated.
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Um, at most through counseling and therapy, you probably wouldn't even need that.
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When this child allegedly first started claiming he was a girl at three years old,
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which is when all this started, all you would have had to do is say, oh, no, no, you're not a girl.
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You're a boy. And you know something in a week, he'd be over it. You know, it's a, in a week,
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he'd be past that phase if you responded that way. But if you are a maniac and a three-year-old
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comes to you and says, I'm a girl and you go, well, well, oh my goodness, he must be a,
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she must be a girl then says he's a girl. It must be a girl. If you respond that way,
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what a coincidence, the child is going to persist in that delusion. And they're going to become more
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and more confused as time goes on. Um, now the jury has decided, as I said, to give Georgia
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list full custody. We still don't have a full verdict from the judge though. There are many
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related issues to be ruled on. And I believe that verdict is going to, she's going to, that decision
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will be made, will be announced tomorrow. There's still, I think there's still maybe some hope.
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Um, hopefully the outcry from the sane and rational and decent people of America,
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an outcry that has really been ramped up this week. Thankfully, maybe that will have some effect.
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Maybe it will have some influence and it might help the judge to see the light on this issue.
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I'm honestly, I'm, I'm not very hopeful about that. I doubt that that will be the result,
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but we can, we can always pray and hope and continue to raise awareness about this issue for
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the next day before the final decision is made. What I did want to do, I wanted to answer a few
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objections I've heard from people about how people like myself are talking about this case.
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There are three main objections from what I can tell. Um, the first is easy to deal with.
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I've got several emails saying that, um, I'm giving a one-sided version of the case
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when actually the father is, is far from perfect himself. And what is then brought up our court
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documents showing that one, the father was accused of lying about his income and his work history
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to his wife before they got married. And two, that, uh, the father was accused of assault.
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Now, as for the first, the father, Jeff has an explanation for what the wife and says are lies
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he told before they got married. I don't know who's right and who's wrong, or if it's something
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in the middle, usually with these things, it is regardless though, who gives a damn? None of this
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has any bearing on the case whatsoever. And none of it makes him an unfit father or justifies him losing
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custody. And certainly none of it means that his son is really a girl. And that's the main point
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here. Now you might say, well, it makes him unreliable. So you can't take his version of
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events at face value. My answer to that is we don't need to, you don't need to take anyone's
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version of events at face value. The basic facts are not in dispute. James is a biological boy. He is
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seven. And for the last several years, at least his mother has been claiming that he's a girl and his
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mother now wants to transition him into a girl. That's not being disputed by anybody. Everyone
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agrees on that. And that's all we need to know. We don't need to know anything else.
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We do know a lot more, which only vindicates the father, in my opinion, but we don't really even
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need to know any of that. These basic facts tell you basically everything you know. And then as for
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the alleged assault, Jeff apparently was accused of assaulting his wife in late 2017. This is well after
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the marriage ended, and this is in the midst of all this stuff with his wife trying to turn the kid
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into a girl. He was acquitted of the assault. So there's no reason to say anything else about that. But
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again, that accusation, he was acquitted of it. That has no bearing on this whatsoever.
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Now, then there's the third point. Defenders of the mom in this case will insist, once they get
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past trying to discredit the father with accusations that are certainly far from confirmed and I think
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have largely been debunked, but are also completely irrelevant to this case, defenders of the mom will
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next go to saying, well, no, the mom is right. She's not forcing James to be a girl because he
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really is a girl. And we know that he's really a girl because he really does want to wear girl clothes
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and he really does want to identify as a girl and so on. Now, let me read a thread, just to give you
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an example of this line of argumentation. I want to read a thread to you from a guy named Barry Deutsch
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on Twitter as he makes this case and provides whatever evidence he can to show that, no, the
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mother is actually right. And there is, as he puts it, there's a panic on the right about this and the
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panic is completely off base. So let me give you, this is, this is, this is the attempt to vindicate
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the mother. Okay. It says a thread on the save James Younger panic on the right. They're claiming
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that James Younger, as they insist on calling Luna, wants to be a boy and her evil mother is forcing
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her to identify as a girl and wear a girl clothing. That's not what a CPS investigation
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found. What I'm posting here are screenshots of the CPS investigators testimony at trial
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with no parent present. Luna says she's a girl and denies that anyone's making her be a girl.
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She also says she's afraid of her dad because he won't let her wear a girl clothes. That's why
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quote unquote, she is afraid not because there's any abuse or anything going on, but according to this
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claim, it's because the boy wants to wear a girl clothes and the dad won't let him.
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Continues. The CPS investigator also interviewed Luna's teacher. Luna's teacher confirmed what Luna
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says. Luna identifies as a girl and the teacher doesn't believe anyone's pressuring Luna to do that.
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The CPS investigator also interviewed Luna's twin brother, Luke. Actually, the twin's brother's name
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is Jude, not Luke. Jude confirms Luna's story. Luna has always identified as a girl. Their dad forces
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Luna to dress as a boy, which makes Luna sad. In short, the CPS investigator found absolutely no
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evidence that Luna's mom is forcing Luna to wear girl clothes or to use the name Luna. But the CPS,
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and we'll get to that name thing in a second, as I said, because it's very, it's actually, there's,
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there's something very, there's a very important detail about this name that I'm going to get to.
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The CPS investigator found evidence, uh, Luna's dad is forcing her to wear boy clothes. You can read
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the transcript. Um, okay. That's, that's basically it. So there's, there are all the facts laid out
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that are supposed to vindicate the mother. This is the best anyone can do. Essentially, the argument is
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that what the mother is doing is not abuse and the jury's decision is not wrong.
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And all of this is perfectly fine because the boy actually is a girl. Do you see how insane this is?
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I hope you do. He's not a girl. He's just simply not factually, objectively, scientifically,
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he is not a girl. So to dress him like one, to claim he is one, to have him live as one,
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to facilitate his transition into one is crazy, is abusive, is deranged, is evil.
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I don't give a damn whether the seven-year-old boy really says he wants to wear dresses or not.
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It's clear from court documents and from all reports that he sometimes says he wants to,
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and sometimes says he doesn't. He's confused. Why is he confused? Because he's a child.
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And because his mother has been claiming he's a girl since he was three. Of course he's confused.
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Of course he's going to say he wants to wear dresses and so on. All of that is irrelevant.
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He's a child who doesn't know what's going on. And as I will point out, for the 40 millionth time,
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he doesn't know what a girl is. He literally doesn't know what he's saying.
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He can't possibly identify as a girl because he doesn't know what that is. You can't identify as
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something when you don't know what it is. This all started when he was three years old. Again,
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that's not under dispute. You heard from the brother saying, oh, he's always identified as a
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girl. Well, what the brother means is, for as long as I can remember, this has been going on.
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Which makes sense because generally you start forming memories when you're three years old.
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This goes back to when he was three.
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And the mother says, oh, he first started saying he was a girl when he was three.
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Three. Three years old, you lunatic. Three years old. Do you know what a three-year-old knows about
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being a girl? Nothing. Nothing. Not a single thing. Nothing. Now, even if a three-year-old did know
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something about being a girl, the biological reality would still remain. So that even if a
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child that young did actually have a substantive understanding of biological sex so as to make this
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choice, it still wouldn't matter because you can't choose your sex. It's impossible. But this is
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doubly insane because a child at three years old has no clue what that means. I have a three-year-old.
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Okay? And I've had two other three-year-olds who are now six. It's just, if you've ever spent any
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time around a three-year-old, particularly if you've ever been a parent of a three-year-old,
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you know this. These kids don't know anything.
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So a three-year-old says, I'm a girl. All you have to follow up with is, what's that? What do you
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mean? They don't mean anything. At most, what they mean is, I like pretty pink things.
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Great. No problem. Three-year-olds can like pretty pink things. Nothing wrong with that.
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The suggestion that that actually means that this boy at three years old is a girl and has somehow
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mystically recognized this inner truth of this girl that is magically trapped inside the shell of
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their boy body. You have educated people who think this way.
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Now, I mentioned the thing about the name. Here's an interesting tidbit from the Texan.
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And this is a publication down in Texas where this is happening. They've been on top of this case.
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A lot of great information. When James first started
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identifying as a girl, do you know what name he wanted
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for himself? He goes by Luna now, according to the mom.
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But it wasn't Luna originally. You know what it was?
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The name was Starfire.
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That's the name he wanted. I actually think this is
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maybe one of the most important facts that came out in this case.
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He wanted to be called Starfire. And any parents of children might know that Starfire is a cartoon
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character from the show Teen Titans Go. My kids don't watch that show, so I don't know.
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Okay. He wanted his name to be Starfire, cartoon character from a cartoon show.
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What does that tell you?
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It tells you that James was literally identifying as a cartoon character
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because he's a child.
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My sons have identified as many fictional characters
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where they really, in some sense, in some way,
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believe that they are that character.
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My, I know it's a, you hear this as a classic response to all this madness
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when someone says, oh, my son identifies as a dinosaur.
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I guess I should send him to Jurassic Park.
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And that might be a cliched response at this point,
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but it's a cliche for a reason. It's true.
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My son, my three-year-old son,
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also thinks that he's a, he thinks that he's Rexy,
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a T-Rex.
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Now, what does that mean?
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Well, let's really think about this for a second.
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When my three-year-old son goes around saying he's a T-Rex,
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is he joking?
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No, he's not joking.
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Three-year-olds don't know how to joke.
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Three-year-olds have no concept of humor.
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They don't tell jokes.
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To have a concept of humor,
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you need a concept of irony in these things,
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and three-year-olds are not sophisticated enough for that.
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So he's not joking.
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Is he lying?
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No, he's not lying.
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Three-year-olds can't lie either.
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Three-year-olds are incapable of telling a real lie.
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Now, they might say things that aren't true,
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but they're not capable of lying
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because they don't understand the difference
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between truth and falsehood,
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between reality and fantasy.
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So when my three-year-old says that he's a T-Rex,
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he really does think,
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at some level,
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he really believes that he's a T-Rex.
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Now, if my three-year-old were 30 years old
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and saying that and believing it,
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then it'd be a sign that he's mentally ill.
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No matter what age he is,
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it could never be a sign
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that he is really a T-Rex trapped inside a human body.
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We can be pretty confident of that.
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If he was older,
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then we would say,
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now we've got a mental disorder on our hands of some kind.
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Let's get him some counseling.
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But at three years old,
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it's just cute.
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It's funny.
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You play along with it a little bit.
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You have fun.
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You play dinosaurs.
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I'll chase my son around the house.
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He plays the dinosaur.
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He's chasing me.
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I'm chasing him
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because he's three.
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So, when you've got a human being
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with the kind of psychology
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where they can really be convinced at some level
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that they are a dinosaur
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or a superhero
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or a dog
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or a lion
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or a dragon
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or anything,
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and my kids have been all of those things
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sometimes in the same day.
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When you've got a person
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with that kind of psychology as a child,
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how could you possibly take them seriously
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when they say that they're the opposite gender?
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It's the exact same kind of thing.
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They're not identifying some internal truth.
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It's just a fantasy.
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It's just a kid being a kid
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and not understanding
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what is real and what isn't.
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So, kids, again,
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literally do not know the difference
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between reality and fiction.
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There are a lot of adults these days
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who don't know it either,
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but they don't have an excuse.
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A kid at three years old doesn't know.
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So, when a three-year-old thinks
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that Spider-Man is really out there,
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not just out there,
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but when a three-year-old watches TV
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and sees a cartoon,
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they really think that that cartoon is real.
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Now, how could they possibly think that?
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It's a cartoon in a little box.
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What do they think?
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Well, I'm not even sure
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because I can't remember
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being three years old enough
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to understand what they're really thinking
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in their head,
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but they do think.
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You know, if you ask a three-year-old,
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does Bugs Bunny exist?
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Is Bugs Bunny real?
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They're going to say yes.
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And if you then,
00:23:30.340
if you really wanted to be a jerk
00:23:31.920
and spoil their fantasy,
00:23:34.020
and you said,
00:23:34.880
no, Bugs Bunny isn't real,
00:23:35.880
he's fake.
00:23:36.900
Well, you couldn't spoil the fantasy
00:23:38.500
because that wouldn't mean anything to them.
00:23:41.140
They would say,
00:23:41.900
what does that mean?
00:23:43.320
The concept of something not being real
00:23:48.180
means nothing
00:23:49.080
to a child at that age,
00:23:51.880
which is why
00:23:54.120
they are not empowered
00:23:56.400
to make important decisions for themselves.
00:23:58.940
It's why, in fact,
00:23:59.920
they're not really empowered
00:24:00.620
to make any decisions for themselves.
00:24:03.660
And it's why their declarations
00:24:06.440
about their own self-identity
00:24:08.340
are meaningless,
00:24:10.460
completely meaningless.
00:24:11.980
Except as a fun little game
00:24:15.580
that maybe you play along with,
00:24:18.520
and if it gets too out of hand
00:24:19.720
and they start taking it too seriously,
00:24:21.320
then maybe you stop playing along with it.
00:24:29.080
One last,
00:24:29.920
I actually,
00:24:30.620
one last point about this quickly,
00:24:32.040
that on this name thing,
00:24:35.680
so the kid wanted to be Starfire.
00:24:37.420
The mom said,
00:24:38.220
no, let's pick something else.
00:24:40.260
And they settled on Luna.
00:24:41.980
It's interesting
00:24:43.060
that all of these
00:24:44.800
painfully progressive parents
00:24:46.480
who let their kids
00:24:49.220
choose their own gender,
00:24:50.980
none of them
00:24:52.340
let the kid choose their own name.
00:24:55.520
And I know that's the case
00:24:57.280
because they always settle
00:24:58.380
on some trendy,
00:25:00.580
gender-neutral name.
00:25:02.900
You think the kid came up with that?
00:25:05.320
You think the kid came up with Luna
00:25:07.120
or Jazz
00:25:08.200
or Sky?
00:25:09.880
You think the kid went on Google
00:25:12.020
to look up?
00:25:12.820
No.
00:25:14.980
If you say to a three-year-old,
00:25:16.560
pick any name you want,
00:25:18.420
they're going to end up with Starfire
00:25:20.700
or T-Rex
00:25:21.900
or Spider-Man
00:25:22.620
or Wonder Woman
00:25:23.500
or something like that.
00:25:26.480
So that's how you know.
00:25:27.940
You know,
00:25:28.320
you got these trans,
00:25:29.300
these quote,
00:25:29.840
transgender kids running around.
00:25:31.160
None of them are named Wonder Woman.
00:25:32.860
None of them
00:25:33.340
are legally named Wonder Woman.
00:25:34.980
Why is that?
00:25:36.840
Because the parents choose the name.
00:25:38.980
Why do the parents choose the name?
00:25:41.340
Because the parents know
00:25:42.620
even though a name
00:25:43.680
really is a social construct,
00:25:45.640
really is a cultural thing,
00:25:47.940
really is arbitrary,
00:25:49.120
really can be anything
00:25:50.080
you want it to be,
00:25:51.040
they choose the name
00:25:51.880
because the parents realize
00:25:52.840
that a name is an important decision
00:25:54.180
that a kid is not mature enough to make
00:25:55.760
and that a kid will think
00:25:57.260
that a certain name is cool
00:25:58.240
when he's three
00:25:58.880
but won't think it's cool anymore
00:26:00.420
when he's 30
00:26:01.040
so they don't want to curse the kid
00:26:02.500
with a name when he's 30
00:26:03.780
that he chose when he was three.
00:26:07.540
Hmm.
00:26:09.180
Yes.
00:26:10.320
Now take that logic
00:26:11.720
and apply it to gender
00:26:13.640
and maybe now you start to understand.
00:26:17.640
All right.
00:26:19.520
So on Monday,
00:26:20.340
I told you about the case
00:26:21.120
of Democratic Congresswoman Katie Hill.
00:26:23.300
A report in Red State
00:26:24.540
said that Hill
00:26:25.280
allegedly had a sexual relationship
00:26:28.120
with a 22-year-old female staffer
00:26:31.740
and also an affair
00:26:33.660
with another member
00:26:34.560
of her staff
00:26:36.600
though this one was a man.
00:26:38.060
The media has showed
00:26:39.000
no interest in this case whatsoever
00:26:40.500
because she's a woman mainly
00:26:42.360
and as I have pointed out
00:26:43.960
the fact that she's a Democrat
00:26:46.280
obviously helps her
00:26:47.500
and if she was a Republican
00:26:49.460
probably they'd be more likely
00:26:50.680
to report on it.
00:26:52.640
I mean they'd certainly be more likely
00:26:53.880
to report on it of course
00:26:54.740
but the main thing
00:26:57.080
that gets her off the hook
00:26:58.020
for this is that she's a woman
00:26:59.360
and women
00:27:00.720
when it comes to sexual indiscretions
00:27:02.400
are just not held
00:27:04.360
to the same standard
00:27:05.200
and accusations
00:27:07.020
against women
00:27:08.060
of sexually inappropriate behavior
00:27:10.760
just are not taken seriously
00:27:12.320
by almost anybody
00:27:13.280
because there seems to be
00:27:15.000
this general attitude of
00:27:16.300
well if a woman does it
00:27:17.460
it's not as bad.
00:27:18.760
Nobody will come out
00:27:19.460
and say that
00:27:20.120
but I gave the example
00:27:22.880
when you have for example
00:27:24.400
all these teachers
00:27:25.460
these female teachers
00:27:26.400
who are having sex
00:27:28.080
with 13 year old boys
00:27:29.160
in their class
00:27:29.800
the attitude of almost everybody
00:27:33.300
seems to be
00:27:34.000
that's not quite as bad
00:27:35.160
because it's a woman.
00:27:36.520
Again nobody will say it
00:27:37.700
no one will say that
00:27:38.520
but that's apparently
00:27:39.720
how almost everyone feels about it
00:27:41.540
because that's why
00:27:42.660
there's very little outrage
00:27:43.820
about these cases
00:27:44.520
and usually what anyone does
00:27:45.640
they just crack jokes about it.
00:27:47.760
In fact
00:27:47.900
oftentimes the media
00:27:51.800
if the media does report
00:27:53.080
and the media will report
00:27:54.380
on the cases of teachers
00:27:55.540
and students
00:27:56.340
because that's salacious
00:27:57.340
and it gets clicked
00:27:58.620
so they can't help
00:27:59.520
but report on it
00:28:00.620
but when they do
00:28:01.780
very often
00:28:02.640
what they'll call it
00:28:04.260
in the headline
00:28:04.940
they'll say something like
00:28:06.700
with this exact phrase
00:28:07.700
it'll be
00:28:08.900
teacher
00:28:11.120
teacher caught in
00:28:12.760
sex romp
00:28:13.960
with 13 year old student
00:28:16.460
that phrase sex romp
00:28:18.140
that exact phrase
00:28:19.240
has often been used
00:28:21.180
in headlines
00:28:21.720
by the media
00:28:22.280
to describe
00:28:22.880
the sexual abuse
00:28:24.380
of adult females
00:28:26.400
or by adult females
00:28:28.840
of male children.
00:28:31.500
You're never going to see
00:28:32.820
the phrase sex romp
00:28:34.160
used to describe
00:28:36.140
abuse
00:28:37.520
when the genders are flipped.
00:28:39.300
Anyway
00:28:39.560
in this case
00:28:41.380
there are all kinds of
00:28:42.700
now there's no minors involved
00:28:44.200
okay
00:28:44.540
there are all kinds of ethical
00:28:46.180
and potentially legal
00:28:47.060
issues here
00:28:47.600
related to her having sex
00:28:48.860
with people
00:28:50.240
who are on her payroll
00:28:51.360
paying her sex partners
00:28:53.240
with campaign funds
00:28:54.540
and all of the ethical issues
00:28:56.440
wrapped up in a person
00:28:57.420
in a position of power
00:28:58.440
a person in Congress
00:28:59.520
getting sexually involved
00:29:00.560
with a young staffer
00:29:01.520
just out of college.
00:29:03.160
There are also pictures
00:29:04.340
that are floating around
00:29:05.760
out there
00:29:06.000
one picture is
00:29:06.860
Katie Hill
00:29:07.980
appears to be
00:29:10.800
Katie Hill
00:29:11.560
nude
00:29:12.560
and brushing the hair
00:29:14.400
of what appears
00:29:15.580
to be her young staffer
00:29:16.640
although the face
00:29:17.760
is blurred out
00:29:18.400
of the staffer.
00:29:20.180
Now we all know
00:29:21.580
if that was
00:29:23.640
a picture
00:29:25.380
of a male congressman
00:29:27.800
naked
00:29:29.120
and brushing the hair
00:29:30.880
of some 22 year old staffer
00:29:32.680
that would be
00:29:34.300
headline news everywhere
00:29:35.480
huge controversy
00:29:36.840
they would be holding
00:29:37.920
a press conference
00:29:38.660
they would have already
00:29:39.300
resigned by now
00:29:40.300
in disgrace.
00:29:42.540
Katie Hill does it
00:29:43.640
and nobody cares
00:29:44.780
media doesn't talk about it.
00:29:47.320
There's more
00:29:48.040
more information
00:29:49.240
though now
00:29:49.580
the Daily Wire
00:29:50.260
has a report now
00:29:51.200
you go to dailywire.com
00:29:52.140
and see this
00:29:52.700
more information
00:29:54.420
and this is coming again
00:29:56.620
from Red State
00:29:57.360
and Red State
00:29:57.920
has been on top of this
00:29:58.900
and one thing about that
00:30:00.080
also
00:30:00.420
so the site Red State
00:30:03.020
a conservative website
00:30:04.120
they've been on top
00:30:06.380
of this story
00:30:06.920
and that fact
00:30:08.640
has been used
00:30:09.240
to discredit the story
00:30:10.300
people saying
00:30:11.880
well it's a conservative
00:30:13.520
but just a conservative rag
00:30:15.200
propaganda
00:30:15.940
reporting on this
00:30:17.080
no one else
00:30:17.500
is talking about it
00:30:18.280
I've also heard
00:30:18.960
a similar thing
00:30:19.580
with the James Young
00:30:20.280
story
00:30:20.860
where some liberals
00:30:23.120
say oh it's only been
00:30:23.900
conservative sites
00:30:24.580
talking about it
00:30:25.540
that's because the liberal
00:30:26.540
sites refuse to talk
00:30:27.900
about it
00:30:28.300
and with something
00:30:30.160
like this Katie Hill case
00:30:31.320
she's a congresswoman
00:30:33.260
in California
00:30:33.960
there are pictures
00:30:36.360
and text messages
00:30:37.300
that somebody
00:30:39.240
had
00:30:41.700
and was releasing
00:30:42.940
to the media
00:30:43.500
do you
00:30:45.420
do you really think
00:30:47.280
that Red State
00:30:49.200
the person who had
00:30:50.880
this information
00:30:51.560
about Katie Hill
00:30:52.420
you think Red State
00:30:53.500
is the first place
00:30:54.540
that person went
00:30:55.300
there is no way
00:30:57.520
the first
00:31:00.260
the first people in media
00:31:01.380
to hear about this
00:31:02.420
would have been
00:31:03.280
the local media
00:31:04.240
in California
00:31:04.980
they would have been
00:31:06.980
the first people
00:31:07.540
to catch wind of it
00:31:08.280
and so the fact
00:31:09.920
that Red State
00:31:10.460
is publishing
00:31:10.960
it means that
00:31:11.440
they passed on it
00:31:12.420
and it means
00:31:13.840
it must mean
00:31:14.760
that all of the major
00:31:16.420
mass media
00:31:17.840
left-wing outlets
00:31:18.780
passed on it
00:31:19.740
because I just
00:31:22.780
it's just impossible
00:31:23.820
to believe that
00:31:24.600
Red State
00:31:25.220
would be the first ones
00:31:26.620
to get this information
00:31:27.560
to get this bombshell
00:31:29.400
about Katie Hill
00:31:31.460
anyway
00:31:32.400
but Red State
00:31:33.000
they've been doing
00:31:33.460
a good job
00:31:33.840
reporting on it
00:31:34.540
and the Daily Wire
00:31:37.260
well let me quote
00:31:38.260
the Daily Wire now
00:31:39.100
as they are talking
00:31:40.400
about the Red State report
00:31:41.100
so as the young
00:31:41.840
female campaign staffer
00:31:43.360
who described
00:31:43.820
the relationship
00:31:44.320
as being toxic
00:31:45.380
reportedly wrote
00:31:47.600
Hill a message
00:31:48.240
in 2019
00:31:48.900
June 2019
00:31:49.680
saying in part
00:31:50.400
I am terrified
00:31:51.340
of pushing back
00:31:52.020
against you
00:31:52.440
or upsetting you
00:31:53.060
I have seen
00:31:53.840
how you treat Kenny
00:31:54.620
and I think that
00:31:55.380
if I cause any issues
00:31:56.480
even if I am
00:31:57.660
worried about
00:31:58.600
how you were acting
00:31:59.440
that very quickly
00:32:00.220
you will decide
00:32:01.220
you don't want me
00:32:02.060
in your life
00:32:02.580
in a message
00:32:04.560
to Heslop
00:32:05.160
the staffer
00:32:06.460
reportedly said
00:32:07.500
I don't know
00:32:09.020
I was getting ready
00:32:09.940
and I was thinking
00:32:10.680
about how much
00:32:11.120
Katie liked to watch me
00:32:12.520
then reference
00:32:14.080
to a hobby
00:32:14.720
watch me do
00:32:15.540
some kind of hobby
00:32:16.260
I don't know
00:32:16.740
it's okay
00:32:18.780
she can't take
00:32:19.520
this from me
00:32:20.160
she can ruin politics
00:32:21.620
take all my friends
00:32:23.060
and isolate me
00:32:24.020
but she can't have this
00:32:25.340
then Red State added
00:32:27.240
the staffer
00:32:27.740
continued her work
00:32:28.460
on the campaign
00:32:29.060
despite the awkwardness
00:32:30.060
and emotional distress
00:32:30.880
it caused
00:32:31.400
Hill however
00:32:32.500
seemed tone deaf
00:32:33.460
asking her former lover
00:32:35.260
to apply sunscreen
00:32:36.220
on her prior to an event
00:32:37.460
in front of the rest
00:32:38.600
of the staff
00:32:39.060
the young woman
00:32:40.020
later texted Hill
00:32:40.940
to express her displeasure
00:32:43.380
what's the point here
00:32:44.780
the point here
00:32:45.440
is that what we're
00:32:47.620
what we have been told
00:32:48.580
by the left
00:32:49.360
what we've been told
00:32:50.420
by the Me Too movement
00:32:51.540
for years now
00:32:52.800
is that
00:32:54.440
sexual relationships
00:32:56.400
even if they are
00:32:57.480
quote unquote
00:32:58.020
consensual
00:32:58.640
even if they're ostensibly
00:33:00.040
supposedly on the surface
00:33:01.600
anyway
00:33:02.020
consensual
00:33:02.940
relationships between
00:33:04.500
a person in a position
00:33:05.900
of power
00:33:06.500
to a person
00:33:08.240
who is
00:33:08.880
a subordinate
00:33:09.980
and in this case
00:33:12.800
a very
00:33:13.140
a very junior subordinate
00:33:14.760
you've got a congresswoman
00:33:15.800
to a staffer
00:33:16.920
just out of college
00:33:17.640
that those relationships
00:33:20.880
according to the Me Too movement
00:33:22.820
and according to what
00:33:23.740
the left has been saying
00:33:24.740
up until this moment
00:33:25.460
with Katie Hill
00:33:25.980
those relationships
00:33:27.020
cannot really be consensual
00:33:29.120
because of the power dynamic
00:33:31.160
because of the disparity
00:33:32.220
because the other person
00:33:34.000
in the relationship
00:33:34.900
is going to feel
00:33:36.280
potentially threatened
00:33:37.460
they're going to feel like
00:33:38.240
they can't get out of it
00:33:40.060
if they want to
00:33:40.620
they're going to feel like
00:33:41.160
they can't be themselves
00:33:41.940
they can't express themselves
00:33:42.720
that they have to just go along
00:33:44.140
with whatever this other person wants
00:33:45.080
because of the power
00:33:45.940
they have over them
00:33:47.040
they're going to feel threatened
00:33:48.180
they're going to feel intimidated
00:33:49.160
and what do you know
00:33:52.360
you see these text messages
00:33:53.600
allegedly from this person
00:33:55.240
expressing just that feeling
00:33:57.720
that yes
00:33:59.060
I'm intimidated
00:34:00.120
I can't
00:34:00.720
and what do you know
00:34:03.320
you have Katie Hill
00:34:04.560
it would seem
00:34:05.400
potentially
00:34:09.220
taking advantage
00:34:10.780
of that discomfort
00:34:12.460
or at least
00:34:14.380
now as
00:34:14.820
as the red state says
00:34:16.580
she was tone deaf
00:34:17.720
I think that's a generous interpretation
00:34:20.140
where you've got the staffer
00:34:22.640
expressing discomfort
00:34:23.700
and everything
00:34:24.320
intimidation
00:34:25.000
and then
00:34:26.720
Katie Hill
00:34:27.820
after they'd already broken up
00:34:31.340
goes to the staffer
00:34:33.000
and says
00:34:33.380
put some sunscreen on
00:34:34.900
in front of everybody
00:34:35.620
now you can interpret that
00:34:37.860
as her being tone deaf
00:34:39.020
I personally
00:34:40.120
my perspective
00:34:40.840
I interpret that as
00:34:42.340
malicious
00:34:42.980
and a power move
00:34:44.600
because there's just no way
00:34:46.900
you've got
00:34:47.320
you've got this history
00:34:48.300
with this person
00:34:48.960
you're looking for someone
00:34:50.000
to apply sunscreen to you
00:34:51.360
and you choose her
00:34:52.140
of all people
00:34:52.720
that's
00:34:55.600
no that's not
00:34:56.180
in my opinion
00:34:57.060
that's not tone deaf
00:34:57.920
that's not
00:34:58.640
a coincidence
00:34:59.960
that's
00:35:01.000
you're doing that on purpose
00:35:01.980
that's manipulation
00:35:02.760
and that is certainly
00:35:05.560
how it would be interpreted
00:35:06.920
if
00:35:08.500
this was a man
00:35:10.660
we're talking about
00:35:11.420
so even if the media
00:35:13.640
wants to ignore this
00:35:14.600
this is still
00:35:15.800
a huge story
00:35:16.560
it is still
00:35:17.660
a scandal
00:35:18.260
it does matter
00:35:20.180
Katie Hill
00:35:22.760
finally
00:35:23.320
after days
00:35:24.420
came out
00:35:25.800
with a statement
00:35:26.340
addressing some of this
00:35:27.460
now the fact that
00:35:28.860
she was able to get away
00:35:29.840
with saying nothing
00:35:30.900
about it for several days
00:35:32.440
just shows you again
00:35:33.520
how she's not being
00:35:34.360
held accountable
00:35:34.940
how the media
00:35:36.460
is running cover for her
00:35:37.440
but she came out
00:35:38.360
and predictably
00:35:38.980
there was no apology
00:35:40.280
nothing
00:35:40.660
she made herself the victim
00:35:41.640
she said she was the victim
00:35:42.900
because all this information
00:35:43.760
was coming out about her
00:35:44.820
and so it's really all about her
00:35:46.580
she's the victim
00:35:47.100
and she'll get away with that
00:35:50.180
that's it
00:35:51.680
she could come out
00:35:52.480
she's the victim
00:35:53.060
and move on
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that is what we call
00:35:57.500
female privilege
00:35:58.400
okay let's go to emails
00:36:01.180
Matt Wall show
00:36:01.860
oh actually before emails
00:36:03.100
this doesn't require
00:36:06.100
really any commentary
00:36:06.800
I just wanted to play this
00:36:07.600
if you haven't seen this clip
00:36:08.680
we gotta play it
00:36:10.820
because
00:36:11.140
as you know
00:36:12.300
the NBA
00:36:13.160
NBA players
00:36:14.120
many of them
00:36:14.960
LeBron James
00:36:15.980
among them
00:36:17.100
but not the only one
00:36:17.820
have been embarrassing themselves
00:36:19.420
by falling to their knees
00:36:22.140
and licking the boots
00:36:24.120
of the Chinese government
00:36:25.380
as we have seen
00:36:26.080
over the last few weeks
00:36:27.060
finally we've got someone
00:36:29.180
not a current NBA player
00:36:30.920
but someone associated
00:36:31.820
with the NBA
00:36:32.460
someone who works
00:36:33.320
in professional basketball
00:36:34.660
as a commentator now
00:36:35.940
Shaquille O'Neal
00:36:36.960
I knew we could count on him
00:36:40.040
to have the right take on this
00:36:42.140
and he shared his take
00:36:43.560
on the China thing
00:36:44.300
and he for one
00:36:45.800
at least
00:36:46.180
was not doing
00:36:46.860
any boot licking
00:36:47.920
listen to this
00:36:48.640
we as American people
00:36:50.080
we do a lot of business
00:36:51.140
in China
00:36:51.640
and they know
00:36:52.700
and understand our values
00:36:53.980
and we understand
00:36:55.240
their values
00:36:55.940
and one of our best values
00:36:57.540
here in America
00:36:58.380
is free speech
00:36:59.280
we're allowed to say
00:37:00.620
what we want to say
00:37:01.440
and we're allowed to speak
00:37:02.440
up about injustices
00:37:03.780
and that's just how it goes
00:37:05.420
and if people don't understand
00:37:06.540
that
00:37:06.900
that's something
00:37:07.840
that they have to deal with
00:37:08.900
but you know
00:37:09.580
I just think
00:37:10.200
I thought it was unfortunate
00:37:11.460
for you know
00:37:12.060
both parties
00:37:12.760
and then
00:37:13.200
you got people speaking
00:37:14.620
when they don't know
00:37:15.180
what they're talking about
00:37:16.040
but Daryl Morey was right
00:37:18.580
whenever you see
00:37:19.200
something wrong
00:37:19.900
going on
00:37:20.440
anywhere in the world
00:37:21.260
you should have the right
00:37:22.560
to say
00:37:23.000
that's not right
00:37:23.800
and that's what he did
00:37:24.620
and but again
00:37:25.880
you know
00:37:26.120
when it comes to business
00:37:26.900
sometimes you have to
00:37:27.740
tiptoe around things
00:37:28.700
but again
00:37:29.540
they understand our values
00:37:30.660
we understand our values
00:37:31.680
and here
00:37:32.060
we have the right to speak
00:37:33.500
especially with the social media
00:37:34.580
we're going to say
00:37:35.140
whatever we want to say
00:37:36.120
when we want to say it
00:37:37.460
there you go
00:37:38.580
Shaq
00:37:38.980
see Shaq is a legend
00:37:40.800
for a reason
00:37:41.340
that was a great
00:37:42.540
the fact that
00:37:44.420
he's the first one
00:37:45.740
associated with the NBA
00:37:47.260
to say that
00:37:48.080
and the fact that
00:37:49.100
it actually required
00:37:49.700
courage on his part
00:37:50.620
to say it
00:37:51.240
all he did was
00:37:52.720
come out in favor
00:37:53.360
of free speech
00:37:54.000
and stipulate
00:37:56.320
that we are not
00:37:56.940
a communist regime
00:37:57.780
and we have free speech
00:37:58.500
and we can say
00:37:58.840
what we want
00:37:59.200
the fact that
00:38:00.640
it took courage
00:38:01.360
and it did take courage
00:38:02.240
for him to say that
00:38:02.920
is just
00:38:03.460
just tells you
00:38:04.000
how sad
00:38:04.440
it's gotten in the NBA
00:38:05.780
but good for him
00:38:06.480
okay
00:38:07.320
do we have time
00:38:07.860
for emails
00:38:08.360
I guess we'll do
00:38:09.080
maybe one
00:38:09.840
mattwalshowatgmail.com
00:38:11.800
mattwalshowatgmail.com
00:38:14.540
talked about
00:38:15.200
put pitbulls
00:38:16.100
in the email portion
00:38:17.000
yesterday
00:38:17.260
I got a lot of
00:38:17.740
pitbull related email
00:38:19.040
I haven't got a chance
00:38:20.420
to go through
00:38:20.860
a lot of it
00:38:21.680
this isn't pitbull related
00:38:26.740
but from Rich
00:38:27.380
says
00:38:27.600
dear Matt
00:38:28.020
I agree with your take
00:38:28.900
on airplane
00:38:29.520
slash bus seating arrangements
00:38:30.940
if you're sitting next
00:38:32.180
to someone
00:38:32.560
but the opportunity
00:38:33.100
to move
00:38:33.520
and give both of you
00:38:34.680
more space arises
00:38:35.660
you should take it
00:38:36.480
here's an interesting
00:38:37.560
wrinkle though
00:38:38.200
what about at a bar
00:38:39.780
what if you're sitting
00:38:40.420
at a crowded bar
00:38:41.140
by yourself
00:38:41.780
and all the other seats
00:38:42.640
are taken
00:38:43.040
but people start leaving
00:38:44.040
except the guy next to you
00:38:45.680
doesn't leave
00:38:46.360
so now you two
00:38:47.540
are sitting next to each other
00:38:48.620
at a mostly empty bar
00:38:49.880
do you move in that situation
00:38:51.840
or would it be insulting
00:38:52.920
now I like this
00:38:55.780
first of all
00:38:57.340
of all the emails
00:38:58.080
dealing with serious issues
00:38:59.580
making interesting points
00:39:00.880
this is the one
00:39:01.560
I decide to answer
00:39:02.340
but but but
00:39:02.980
because
00:39:03.560
actually I was
00:39:04.940
I was in this exact
00:39:06.000
situation recently
00:39:06.860
and you know
00:39:10.440
when you're an antisocial
00:39:11.300
person like I am
00:39:12.000
there's a lot of
00:39:13.040
there's a lot of calculus
00:39:13.920
that goes into things
00:39:14.920
you're constantly
00:39:15.920
working out equations
00:39:16.920
and figuring out
00:39:18.440
and mostly you're figuring out
00:39:19.640
how can I
00:39:20.480
just avoid being around
00:39:21.900
people in any
00:39:22.640
in any given situation
00:39:23.560
so this presented
00:39:25.800
now this is
00:39:26.260
this is
00:39:26.620
as we have talked about
00:39:27.940
you know
00:39:29.920
you're sitting next to
00:39:30.500
someone on a plane
00:39:31.260
the airplane ends up
00:39:33.020
being half full
00:39:33.740
the door's shut
00:39:34.960
you know no one else
00:39:36.000
is coming
00:39:36.280
and you have a chance
00:39:37.080
to move
00:39:37.820
and give them more space
00:39:39.440
move all the way
00:39:40.200
to another aisle
00:39:40.800
if you can
00:39:41.360
so you both get
00:39:42.660
to another row
00:39:43.920
if you can
00:39:44.300
to get a whole row
00:39:45.060
to yourself
00:39:45.300
then you should do that
00:39:46.360
Rich brings up
00:39:48.420
an interesting wrinkle
00:39:49.180
to that
00:39:49.440
so I was in
00:39:51.620
a similar situation
00:39:52.580
I was at the bar
00:39:53.180
I was at the bar
00:39:53.800
recently watching
00:39:54.740
Ravens game
00:39:55.720
bar was full
00:39:57.200
so we're all packed
00:39:58.840
in like sardines
00:39:59.700
around halftime though
00:40:01.660
there was a mass exodus
00:40:03.520
for some reason
00:40:04.020
people started leaving
00:40:05.160
even though it was
00:40:07.140
a good game
00:40:07.560
about 10 of the people
00:40:09.720
that were at the bar
00:40:10.900
left
00:40:11.340
so now it's mostly empty
00:40:13.400
just like you said
00:40:14.740
Rich
00:40:14.980
except the guy next to me
00:40:16.800
did not leave
00:40:17.540
he's still there
00:40:19.380
so now we're in
00:40:21.000
that exact spot
00:40:21.960
where we're sitting
00:40:22.860
at a mostly empty bar
00:40:24.200
but the two of us
00:40:25.660
are sitting right next
00:40:26.660
to each other
00:40:27.220
and I'm thinking this
00:40:28.940
I'm thinking
00:40:29.220
okay do I move
00:40:30.480
and this is a little bit
00:40:32.480
more difficult
00:40:32.920
because yes
00:40:33.540
we should give
00:40:34.380
ourselves more space
00:40:35.360
but then in that
00:40:36.160
situation at the bar
00:40:37.080
if I move
00:40:37.700
does it make it
00:40:38.420
does it look
00:40:38.900
is it too conspicuous
00:40:40.180
does it look like
00:40:41.460
I'm making some
00:40:41.980
sort of statement
00:40:42.500
against him
00:40:43.140
like I don't want
00:40:43.500
to be around him
00:40:44.280
and I didn't want
00:40:46.400
to come off that way
00:40:47.020
because he was a nice guy
00:40:47.880
it's just I enjoy
00:40:48.720
my personal space
00:40:49.580
and so I was
00:40:51.620
I was turning this
00:40:52.520
over in my head
00:40:53.380
I was deliberating
00:40:54.540
about it
00:40:55.040
and as I was
00:40:56.860
thinking about it
00:40:57.520
the guy got up
00:40:58.380
and just moved
00:40:59.000
across the bar
00:40:59.920
and the funny
00:41:01.800
thing is
00:41:02.340
that even though
00:41:03.840
I was probably
00:41:04.940
just about to do
00:41:05.600
the same thing
00:41:06.080
I was slightly
00:41:06.900
offended
00:41:07.280
I would
00:41:08.160
I slightly
00:41:08.860
in my head
00:41:09.420
I thought
00:41:09.840
well what's
00:41:10.280
what's that guy's
00:41:11.180
problem
00:41:11.500
what
00:41:12.920
you got a problem
00:41:13.720
with me
00:41:14.100
so to answer
00:41:16.680
your question
00:41:17.220
I guess
00:41:18.000
yes it is
00:41:19.140
slightly offensive
00:41:19.900
to move in that
00:41:20.620
case
00:41:20.960
but you should
00:41:21.980
do it anyway
00:41:22.500
the guiding
00:41:24.360
principle is this
00:41:25.200
anytime you have
00:41:26.200
an opportunity
00:41:26.780
to be antisocial
00:41:29.000
you should take it
00:41:31.520
at least that's
00:41:33.420
how I operate
00:41:34.080
I can't promise
00:41:35.920
it's a key to
00:41:36.720
success and happiness
00:41:37.560
in life
00:41:37.940
but anyway
00:41:38.860
that's one way
00:41:39.620
to live at least
00:41:40.220
and we will
00:41:42.220
leave it there
00:41:42.720
thanks everybody
00:41:43.200
for watching
00:41:43.620
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00:41:45.500
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