00:07:30.100I'm saying that he's, he just, you know, lying morons are right here, and he's kind of walking alongside them adjacent, you see.
00:07:38.840And they, they, like, go to the same school, and a lot of times they end up wearing the same shirts accidentally, and they hang out after class, you know.
00:07:49.040But I'm not saying he's a lying moron.
00:07:51.020He's just, he's always so adjacent, very much adjacent with that group is what I'm trying to say.
00:07:56.760And then there's the next part, which is calling us an alt-right outpost.
00:08:03.580Now, this is great, of course, because there is no conservative site on the entire internet that the alt-right hates more than the Daily Wire.
00:08:14.100And if you don't believe me, you could just ask them or go to one of their, go to one of their corners, one of their dark and, and, and grimy corners of the internet and see what they have to say about the Daily Wire and the people who work for it.
00:08:29.460And there's also no person in the media who's been targeted by the alt-right more than, than Ben Shapiro.
00:08:35.640The rest of also, the rest of us have also gotten it, not, not quite as bad as he has, but, but still, we've, we've, we've gotten our share of that treatment.
00:08:44.540The alt-right has gone after me many times.
00:08:46.260I spent like three days on this show a few months ago, screaming about one of them, which was probably not a great use of my time or yours.
00:08:53.500But, uh, the point is, you know, we're not exactly on friendly terms.
00:08:57.080Um, and calling the Daily Wire of all websites alt-right, that's like, well, it's like calling an Orthodox Jew white supremacist or, excuse me, white supremacist adjacent.
00:09:30.660And the problem with this strategy, uh, one of the many problems, aside from the fact that it's dishonest and unethical and cowardly and all of that, um, one of the other significant problems is that what happens is the labels rapidly lose their meaning.
00:09:50.880Now, a term like white supremacist, look at what, um, the media has done with a term like white supremacist.
00:10:00.660That term does mean something, or at least it should.
00:10:05.000And there are actual white supremacists out there.
00:10:07.880I know because I've, I have, I have the hate mail from these people.
00:10:12.580I don't know how many people, how many of them are.
00:10:14.660I think, I think that they are a fringe, I'm certain they're a fringe group, um, but they do exist.
00:10:20.680But when you call everybody a white supremacist, um, when that term comes to mean just, you know, people I don't like, then the label has lost its purpose and its meaning.
00:10:35.660And that becomes very difficult when it's, when it comes time to talk about actual white supremacists.
00:10:43.920See, when you call everyone a white supremacist, then what are you going to say when you actually encounter a real white supremacist?
00:10:51.120Well, you're going to call them a white supremacist, but nobody knows anymore.
00:10:53.900So, uh, we're at a point now where if someone calls someone else a white supremacist, uh, the rest of us that are hearing this, we have no idea what that means.
00:11:11.060You know, if you go and say such and such is a white supremacist, everyone that hears you should know, okay, well, I know what I need to know about that person.
00:11:18.660But we don't know anymore, okay, um, you know, it, it could mean that the person you're referring to is an actual racist who believes in the supremacy of the white race.
00:19:33.780I'm, I'm just using this as a jumping off point because this is, well, there's a reason why it's, was a popular tweet that this is a very common objection that you hear all the time.
00:19:43.200And anecdotally, it seems to me that it's an increasingly popular argument against marriage.
00:19:48.480Though, of course, it's not at all new, but this is something people have been saying for a long time.
00:19:52.640Um, so I've been thinking about this after I saw this tweet.
00:19:55.700Um, and I, I wanted to say something to, to anyone in the audience who might share this point of view about marriage.
00:20:04.520You know, I don't want to have sex with the same person for the rest of my life, that kind of thing.
00:20:10.360First of all, yes, if you want to consider marriage in the most pessimistic possible way, if you want to, uh, take the most negative view of it that you could, you might say that marriage means being stuck with the same person forever.
00:20:30.800Or not just sexually, but in all things, in life in general.
00:25:19.900So at the same time, you get that commitment and the love and the experience of being really known by another human being.
00:25:30.580Which I think is an experience that we all deeply need.
00:25:33.900And I guess as human beings, we can never be completely known by anyone on Earth because they can't read our minds.
00:25:44.540But in marriage, you can, you know, not just in a physical sense, but you can intimately know another person.
00:25:51.740And that's what you get from marriage, along with the variety of the fact that the person does change and grow and everything else.
00:25:57.920And this is, I also say this about, I say this all the time when we talk about, should you get married younger or not?
00:26:10.400And, you know, I understand the logic of waiting until you're older and you're more established in life and all that kind of stuff.
00:26:16.940And if you're already a little bit older and you haven't gotten married yet, then that's fine.
00:26:20.660You can still get married and have a wonderful marriage.
00:26:22.880But if you are younger and you're trying to decide, I think there's a lot to be said for getting married younger because this is what I'm talking about.
00:26:32.520You grow and live alongside the other person where marriage, rather than being the capstone of adulthood, it's the cornerstone, it's the foundation.
00:26:42.060And you build from there and you're with this person and you're both growing and maturing.
00:26:45.820So, you know, I got married when I was 25.
00:26:54.440Obviously, when we got married, we didn't have kids.
00:26:56.420We were just, you know, as far as I'm concerned, we were basically kids ourselves.
00:27:00.540So on one hand, I could say, yes, I've been married to the same person for eight years.
00:27:04.740But, you know, especially when you get married younger, it's it it technically is the same person.
00:27:11.580But but we we've changed so much through the process of growing and living that it's that, you know, it kind of can be deceptive to put it that way.
00:27:39.120And there are people who are called to different ways of living.
00:27:43.520But I think there are a lot of people who are called to marriage, but don't do it because they're afraid for these two reasons or other reasons as well.
00:27:53.560And I think that that's a big mistake.
00:30:40.240I don't, I don't, so I don't really have to worry about that as, as a dictator.
00:30:43.020Um, and, uh, and I would certainly have people, you know, I would have people taking care of the kids in the morning and at night and overnight and during the day.
00:30:51.780And my job is just to pop in every once in a while, you know, um, that's real parenting for you.
00:31:20.600And in fact, the, the fact that it's so weird and pointless and arbitrary that we just arbitrarily pretend to move the time forward and back, uh, I kind of like it.
00:31:34.140Imagine aliens landing on earth sometime in the future and finding out about daylight savings time and us trying to explain it to them.
00:31:43.600Where we say that, oh yeah, it's just, you know, we pretend that the clock is, we just, we move the, we move the time, time back and forth randomly just because, and they would have absolutely no idea the point of that or why we do it.
00:31:56.540And we have no idea why we do it either, but we just do.
00:32:18.900Yesterday you were talking about the topic of criminalization of assisted suicide.
00:32:22.040I believe the government shouldn't criminalize it because that would allow them the option to remove freedom from people because the government deems it to be for the good of the person, which then, which then allows the government to also do it for other actions they don't want people doing because the government sees us as not, is it not being for their good.
00:32:39.640That doesn't mean I don't think doctors and others shouldn't try to help these people to go on living, but said help should not be forced on these people, nor should that remove their freedom.
00:32:47.880The government will always be able to justify any removal of right as being for the good of the person.
00:32:53.560So I side with people keeping their freedom, even if I don't, even if, even if it's not for their own good, we shouldn't encourage suicidal people, but if they do decide they don't want to help, they don't want help at that point, they should be able to seek the end they want.
00:33:06.660Unfortunate as it is, if people decide so that what, what worries me is the government deciding for them and arbitrarily removing their rights in the process.
00:33:15.260Would you trust the government to know better for the person than the person for themselves, does for themselves, and allow the government to, the power to remove the rights of the person as such?
00:33:24.560Well, first of all, okay, a couple things here.
00:33:30.020As far as knowing, you know, knowing better for the, knowing what's best for the person or having a better idea of what's, what's good for a person than they do themselves.
00:33:40.640Um, you know, if, if you were walking down the road and you looked up and saw someone standing at the edge of a building, like they're about to jump.
00:33:50.740I'm sure you would shout to them and say, no, don't do it. And you would try to stop them. Right. Uh, you would never say, no, he probably knows what's best for him and just keep walking.
00:34:02.620So, in, in some situations, it actually is clear that someone doesn't know what's best for them and they do need someone to step in and kind of force the issue, force them to do what's best for them.
00:34:16.480It can never be best for you to jump off a building or to intentionally poison yourself.
00:34:21.640That could never be the best thing for you. How could it be? Because it's, you're abolishing yourself. You're getting rid of your, it's the, it's the end of yourself.
00:34:30.660How could ending yourself be the best for yourself? It doesn't even make any sense.
00:34:37.160Um, so, and, and I think on a, so now let's, you could say, well, that's okay, but these are, I'm a free, I'm an individual person and this is a, you know, I'm not an agent of the government.
00:34:51.100Okay. Well, um, you see the person standing on the edge of the building. They're going to jump. Do you call the police?
00:35:01.600I think because you're a decent, compassionate person, you call the police. I would.
00:35:06.320Well, the police are agents of the government. And what do you want the police to do? You want the police to stop them from jumping.
00:35:13.160If a police officer, in fact, I saw, uh, there was a video that was making the rounds on online a few months ago that I happened to see of a, of a, someone that was about to jump off a bridge might've been the golden gate bridge.
00:35:25.960I don't know. Um, somebody was about to jump off a bridge and a police officer stopped his car, ran up and grabbed the person at the last minute and dragged him back from the, from the edge.
00:35:34.660And everyone is hailing this police officer as a hero for good reason. I think he is a hero, but would you say that that police officer did the wrong thing?
00:35:43.660You know, this was a person making a choice for themselves. Here was an agent of the state preventing them from making that choice.
00:35:57.440I, the interesting thing to me is that it seems like almost everybody would agree that the police officer did the right thing.
00:36:05.440Yet many of those people who agree the police officer did the right thing still think that assisted suicide should be legal on the basis that the government shouldn't prevent people from killing themselves.
00:36:17.200So it just, it, there's, you see the disconnect there.
00:36:21.380If you, if you think it would be cruel and, and negligent in the extreme for the police officer to just sit back and watch the guy jump.
00:36:31.820If you think that would be cruel and negligent, then how is it not also cruel and negligent for the government to, uh, not just allow people to kill themselves, but to legalize a, a, a method for which they can go through to, to kill themselves.
00:36:49.740I just, I don't see. It seems to me that if one, you know, if the state is right in the one hand, then they'd be right on the other hand of, of, um, you know, making assisted suicide illegal.
00:37:00.980So that, that's the first thing. Second thing with assisted suicide, we're talking about assisted suicide.
00:37:10.880We're not talking about someone just, uh, taking their own life as the saying goes, you know, the, the, there might, there are some States maybe where it's technically illegal to commit suicide.
00:37:24.220But of course the, you know, the reality there is if someone succeeds in doing it, then it's the, the, the law was sort of a moot point.
00:37:33.280And of course, if somebody really wants to commit suicide, um, if they really want to, there's nothing the state can do to stop them.
00:37:40.460Um, um, short of, if, if you know about it ahead of time and they're, you know, putting a admitted into a psychiatric facility or something like that, then short of that, uh, there's nothing that the state can do.
00:37:54.260So, but what we're talking about here is getting a third party involved.
00:38:02.180So it's not really a question of, should a person have the right to kill themselves?
00:38:07.360It's, should the third party have a right to help kill someone?
00:38:20.400Um, so I'm, it's, it's on two levels here.
00:38:24.640On one level, I do think the state has a role in preventing people from killing themselves.
00:38:28.920And as I already described, I think you probably agree, at least in some circumstances.
00:38:33.100And if you agree in some circumstances, then why not in every circumstance?
00:38:39.480But we can even put that argument to the side because that's not even really what we're talking about here.
00:38:43.820We're talking about a third party coming in and it just so happens to be a doctor.
00:38:47.360It happens to be a representative of the medical community coming in and poisoning someone.
00:38:55.080So you don't even have to think of it as, um, does this individual have the right to kill themselves?
00:39:01.820The question is, does that doctor have the right to go and poison somebody, whether they want it or not?
00:39:10.740And my thing is that, uh, they should not have the, that third party should not have that right.
00:39:19.140It should be illegal for a doctor to intentionally and directly kill someone.
00:39:25.240Uh, there's no downside to, I should say, there's no downside to a law that says it's illegal for a doctor to intentionally and directly kill someone.
00:39:44.840I think there are a lot of downsides to opening that door and saying, well, maybe sometimes they can.
00:39:54.720And, you know, I, I don't think I need to describe where the slippery slope leads and we're already seeing the slippery slope when doctors get into the business of killing.
00:40:02.720What is the slippery slope, uh, uh, uh, if we just said doctors can't kill people, what's the slippery slope, uh, scenario for that?
00:40:13.500What's, what's the dystopian vision of a world where no doctors are killing people?
00:40:18.400I, I just seen absolutely no downside to that.
00:40:24.320Whereas there is nothing but downside to the alternative.
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