The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 372 - The Anti-Natalist Movement

00:00:00.600 Well, thanks for being here, folks. Thanks for listening. And I'm glad to be back at the home

00:00:06.560 base. I've been traveling, doing a lot of traveling the last couple of weeks. Actually,

00:00:09.900 I'll be on the road again next week because I'm going to speak at the University of Wisconsin,

00:00:13.900 Milwaukee. So if you are in the area there, come on out and come and take part in that conversation.

00:00:21.440 But anyway, traveling in, I'm not a big fan of traveling, especially on airplanes. I do it all

00:00:27.260 the time, but I'm a very anxious flyer, I must admit. And it was especially bad on the way home,

00:00:34.140 one of the legs of the flight that I was taking. I'm boarding the plane. Captain comes on the intercom.

00:00:42.340 And this is the word he used. He said, we're expecting a pretty bumpy flight. It's going to

00:00:46.880 be unpleasant. He used the word unpleasant. Now, if you do a lot of flying, you know that

00:00:51.900 that pilots of commercial aircraft are notorious for understating things. So you could hit turbulence

00:00:58.640 and plunge 10,000 feet right into the Atlantic ocean. And they would just come on and say, well,

00:01:03.840 sorry for that little bump there, folks. And so now I'm thinking about Sully, Captain Sully with the

00:01:10.740 miracle on the Hudson. If you've ever seen any interviews that he did where he described what

00:01:15.800 happened. Now he's talking about engine goes out, plane is about to explode. Maybe I might, I might

00:01:22.480 have made that part up, but, and he has to land his, his plane in the river, but the way he describes

00:01:28.380 it, his mannerisms and the language he's using, it makes it sound like he's describing a trip to the DMV.

00:01:34.380 So these are very calm and collected people. You have to be for that job. They don't overstate things

00:01:39.700 ever. So he's saying unpleasant. I'm translating that as we are definitely all going to die. Although we

00:01:45.080 didn't thankfully. And it was almost as bad as the time a couple of years ago, I was flying

00:01:49.280 and I was actually sitting next to a pilot who, I guess he was taking this plane to get to a

00:01:55.500 different airport so that he could then fly a plane. Because if you're a pilot for a commercial

00:01:59.580 airline and you have to fly as a passenger, they put you in coach. He was actually sitting in the

00:02:05.080 middle seat of coach at all, all the way towards the back of the plane. They can't even give him

00:02:08.920 comfort plus. I mean, this guy's a pilot anyway, sitting next to him, we hit turbulence. He's not

00:02:13.980 reacting, which is what you want to see. But at one point we hit, we hit a really bad bump.

00:02:17.600 And he goes, he turns, looks out the window and goes, whoa, just like that. That's all he said.

00:02:23.680 But I, now I'm turning to him and saying, what would you say? Whoa for what's, what's the whoa

00:02:28.100 about? We're going to die now. Is that what you're saying? Whoa. Cause we're going to die. Is that

00:02:31.040 what you're saying? Anyway? Um, but all, uh, it all turned out. Okay. So a lot to talk about today.

00:02:38.760 Let's start with this. Another Democrat is being investigated for having a sexual relationship

00:02:42.600 with a staffer. This one is Alcee Hastings, Democrat Congressman from Florida. He's apparently

00:02:49.100 had a long-term sexual relationship with a woman on his staff. By the way, he's 83 years old.

00:02:56.120 And Hastings is the same guy accused of, uh, sexual harassment by another former staffer and the

00:03:03.740 treasury, the treasury, IE translated as the taxpayers paid out almost a quarter of a million dollars to

00:03:11.200 settle that case. But here's the thing. I just, because this is in the news, I, a quick, uh, fun,

00:03:17.760 some fun facts about this Hastings character. He was a circuit court judge back in the 1970s,

00:03:24.340 nominated by Carter. Well, shortly after taking the job, I think he was nominated in 78 or thereabouts.

00:03:31.460 And then in like 80 or 81, he was charged criminally with accepting bribes and with perjury.

00:03:38.840 Allegedly, he accepted $150,000 bribe in order to give someone a lenient sentence. So, I mean,

00:03:45.160 this is just grade A corruption. That's, that's about as corrupt as a judge can get when you're

00:03:50.260 accepting money in exchange for lenient sentences. He wasn't convicted because his co-conspirator

00:03:55.820 refused to testify against him, but he was, was impeached and removed from office by the Senate.

00:04:01.860 Um, he's one of only a handful of judges ever to be removed from the Senate. Oh, and the co-conspirator,

00:04:07.340 by the way, he refused to testify again, good friend, at least refused to testify again at the

00:04:12.880 impeachment hearings. And then he went to jail again. And then he was pardoned by Bill Clinton

00:04:18.560 on Clinton's last day in office. By the time that Clinton pardoned Hastings co-conspirator,

00:04:23.860 Hastings was a member of Congress, a member of the same body that impeached him for being corrupt.

00:04:30.240 Uh, and while he's been in Congress, he's behaved exactly as you would expect someone like this to

00:04:34.140 behave, having unethical sexual relationships, getting sued for harassment, leasing luxury

00:04:39.380 vehicles with tax money, hiring his friends and relatives and nepotism all over the place. 0.99

00:04:45.320 So my point is when we talk about the swamp, this is exactly the kind of crap we're referring to. 0.93

00:04:51.300 Hastings has been in Congress, 83 years old, been in Congress for 30 years. Um, 0.98

00:04:56.260 and he only went to run for Congress as a backup plan after he was too corrupt to be a judge. 0.68

00:05:03.560 So you're too corrupt to be a judge, uh, in America. Well, then what's the backup plan?

00:05:08.960 Well, you might as well become a Congressman. So he's a crook, he's a fraud, and he's a charlatan 1.00

00:05:13.760 and he's well known as such, but he's been in Congress for 30 years. In conclusion, the people 0.99

00:05:19.180 down in Florida who keep voting this crook into office are absolute buffoons. So nice job to all you 1.00

00:05:25.600 folks down in Florida who are voting for this guy. Um, because there's really, I guess there's just

00:05:29.920 nobody, there's no one else, I guess. Right. Is it no, no one else you could possibly imagine

00:05:34.200 electing for the job. Um, speaking of the swamp, Democrat representative Rashida Tlaib,

00:05:42.200 ranking member of the squad, probably the Lance Bass of the group, definitely not last in importance,

00:05:47.080 but also definitely not first. So she's sort of vying with Omar for second fiddle, um, to play second

00:05:53.880 fiddle to AOC's Justin Timberlake. Anyway, she's now subject of a house ethics committee 0.99

00:05:59.280 investigation because of her repeated requests for money during her campaign to be used on personal 0.96

00:06:03.500 expenses. Now, I guess there's a version of doing this where it would be legal and there's a version

00:06:09.900 where it's illegal and the lines kind of murky because these people, these people in Congress,

00:06:14.280 they love murky lines when it comes to their ethical behavior and let ethical rules, they want the

00:06:20.620 lines to be as vague as possible. Um, as reported by the daily wire, a, uh, a referral that the

00:06:30.140 committee received from the office of congressional ethics says, quote, representative Tlaib's campaign

00:06:35.100 committee, um, Rashida Tlaib for Congress reported campaign disbursements that may not be legitimate

00:06:40.880 and verifiable campaign expenditures attributable to bonafide campaign or political purposes.

00:06:45.800 If representative Tlaib converted campaign funds from Rashida Tlaib for Congress to personal use,

00:06:51.120 or if representative Tlaib's campaign committee expended funds that were not attributable to

00:06:56.560 bonafide campaign or political purposes, then representative Tlaib may have violated house

00:07:00.700 rules, standards of conduct, and federal law. The OCE recommended that Tlaib be investigated because

00:07:06.500 there is substantial reason to believe that representative Tlaib converted campaign funds

00:07:10.460 from Rashida Tlaib for Congress to personal use, or Rashida Tlaib's campaign committee expend funds

00:07:15.420 that were not attributable to bonafide campaign or political purposes. So she, they've got all

00:07:20.880 these messages, um, that she sent asking for money, desperately asking for money from her own

00:07:28.500 campaign. One example of a message says, I am struggling financially right now. I am, I am sinking.

00:07:34.660 Um, this was sent at April 4th, 2018. So I was thinking the campaign could loan me money,

00:07:38.700 but Ryan said that the committee could actually pay me. I was thinking a one-time payment of $5,000.

00:07:43.660 Uh, I think over, it said between May and December, she was paid like 45 grand or something like that.

00:07:51.700 A bunch of other messages in that vein. So this is all something to keep in mind when these people

00:07:56.860 are parsing Trump's actions, demanding ethical purity from Trump, which I think we all admit

00:08:04.000 they don't. He's, this is, uh, Donald Trump. We would not call an ethically pure politician by any

00:08:10.740 means, but, uh, and, and listen, I think ethical behavior and from our lawmakers and politicians

00:08:18.540 to include the president is obviously important. You know, we don't, I don't think we should give

00:08:24.340 any of these people a pass. We're paying them. They represented us. We give them a lot of power.

00:08:30.260 It's their responsibility to treat that power with the respect and discipline and integrity and honesty

00:08:34.900 that it warrants. And I say that to everybody in power, Republican or Democrat, I don't care.

00:08:40.060 It doesn't make a difference to me, but the problem is that many of these people in Washington right now

00:08:45.100 are so dirty, so corrupt, so personally dismissive of the rules of ethics and even the rule of law

00:08:51.880 that very few of them are in a position to accuse anyone else of wrongdoing. 0.59

00:08:56.800 You just can't trust them when they say it. You can't trust their motives.

00:09:02.240 And certainly they, they can't be trusted when they make those accusations themselves.

00:09:07.860 So that's just something as, as the Democrats continue to wag their fingers at Donald Trump

00:09:14.740 and talk about all the rules of ethics and the rule of law being violated and so on and so forth.

00:09:19.640 Just keep in mind, keep the, keep this in mind. Um, keep in mind who you're, who we're getting this

00:09:26.660 from. And there's your depressing note to start the day. Uh, many other things to talk about,

00:09:32.320 including a potential criminal assault that took place during an NFL game yesterday. Uh, is it,

00:09:37.980 was it criminal assault? I mean, can you really charge people criminally for things that happen on a

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00:11:12.760 Ancestry.com slash Matt. All right. So this is the thing people are talking about today. Steelers

00:11:19.760 Browns last night, another horrible Thursday night football game. Not really the point, but it was a

00:11:25.080 horrible game. Browns went at 21 to seven, just an ugly, bad game, which is the only way that the

00:11:30.520 Browns can ever win a game because they have been for decades, an ugly, bad football team and an 1.00

00:11:36.080 ugly, bad football organization. Just an embarrassment to the league matched only by 0.97

00:11:41.660 the other Ohio team. No offense to the people in Ohio, but your football teams are terrible.

00:11:45.940 If you're, if you live in Ohio, you own, uh, two of the worst and most dysfunctional and

00:11:54.680 incompetent professional sports teams in American history. And they're both in your state.

00:11:59.340 Uh, that would be the Bengals. And then also the jets would vie for the title of most incompetent.

00:12:04.820 Um, so out there in, in New Jersey, that's not really the point though. The point is this,

00:12:10.560 um, and this is what happened at the end of the game. I'm going to show you the whole clip.

00:12:13.400 If you haven't seen it yet, watch this.

00:12:14.640 Well, he tackled Rudolph. Rudolph didn't like the way that he was tackled. Oh, gosh. Oh, man. Oh,

00:12:31.800 rips the helmet off Rudolph's head and then eventually swings it and hits him in the head.

00:12:41.280 And then Ogunjobi comes up and hits Rudolph from behind.

00:12:54.460 Beyond words, Joe. Gosh, that's one of the worst things I've ever seen on a professional sports

00:12:59.520 field. You know, Joe, I would have been involved with these in the. So that's, uh, that's Miles

00:13:04.460 Garrett with the Browns there. Mason Rudolph is the Steelers quarterback and that's Miles Garrett

00:13:08.840 ripping off Rudolph's helmet and smacking him in the head with it. Um, he ripped off his helmet

00:13:15.980 and smacked him in the head with it. That that's, that's amazing. Even more amazing are the Browns 0.67

00:13:21.460 fans who have been trying to justify this. And I've seen a lot of them defending Garrett, saying

00:13:26.800 that Rudolph started it, which even if he did start it. And by the way, again, if you're a Browns fan,

00:13:32.780 your organization is an embarrassment to the league. It's one of the worst professional 0.81

00:13:36.420 sports organizations in the history of this country. Um, maybe don't add insult to injury

00:13:43.880 by embarrassing yourselves, by trying to justify this. And, and I mean, and I'm a football fan

00:13:50.220 myself too, but then I, I love the Ravens. Okay. I'm a big Ravens Homer, but at a certain point,

00:13:56.440 I mean, it is, they are just a football team. And the only reason you root for them is because

00:14:00.480 you happen to live there. And I admit that for myself as well. So it's sort of arbitrary.

00:14:04.020 You don't have to sacrifice your dignity, uh, to defend criminal assault just because the guy who

00:14:12.200 did it, where's the Jersey that you like, right? You don't, you don't have to do that. You really

00:14:17.460 don't. Um, so, but, and it doesn't even matter, but, but because it doesn't come close to justifying

00:14:25.660 it, no matter who instigated, it doesn't come close to justifying what Garrett did, but it just

00:14:30.440 for the record, Garrett also instigated this. You saw the whole play there that Rudolph had thrown

00:14:38.100 the ball and Garrett continued dragging him to the ground a couple of seconds after the ball left

00:14:43.760 his hands. That is already roughing the passer, especially these days, but really at any point

00:14:48.760 that that would be roughing the pass. That's pretty egregious. After the quarterback throws the ball,

00:14:53.240 you're supposed to stop trying to tackle him. Garrett kept dragging him to the ground. That's what

00:14:57.780 made Rudolph upset. He starts tugging at his helmet. Rudolph tugs at Garrett's helmet.

00:15:01.420 And then that's where Garrett just goes ballistic, loses his mind, rips, uh, Rudolph's helmet off and

00:15:07.440 smacks him with it. Now, Rudolph got lucky here because it was the bottom of his helmet that made

00:15:13.760 contact with his head. But what if the crown of his helmet had hit Rudolph say in his temple,

00:15:22.860 that's brain damage at a minimum. I mean, that could actually kill you. Garrett could have ended

00:15:30.600 a life last night and also probably the NFL along with it. You're talking about a six foot four,

00:15:37.920 270 pound muscle bound NFL defensive end swinging a hard object directly at your unprotected head.

00:15:45.300 There is definitely a very plausible scenario where Rudolph is not up and walking around today.

00:15:50.180 He got lucky. So what should happen to Garrett? Uh, I mean, obviously at a minimum he's,

00:15:57.220 he's done for the year. I think the NFL should go beyond that and suspend them until 2022 or,

00:16:02.520 uh, yeah, suspend them for this year and next year. You can come back the season after that

00:16:07.520 because you just can't have this people, people are not watching the NFL for this garbage. 0.98

00:16:13.540 This isn't what people want to see. Uh, I mean, maybe in hockey, part of the reason people watch 0.96

00:16:19.260 is for the fights. That's, that's not why people watch football. People watch football for football

00:16:23.740 and the stuff after the whistle. I think that usually it's just annoying. Uh, and you're like,

00:16:30.060 you guys, guys just act like adults here and let's get back to the game. But this goes beyond annoying.

00:16:35.020 This is, this is, well, it's, some people are saying it's potentially criminal and it, it does,

00:16:40.500 it does raise a question. I mean, obviously the, the law is not forever suspended just because you

00:16:49.560 happen to be on a football field. It's not like you walk into a football field and you're walking

00:16:52.320 into some bubble where the law no longer applies. There are things you could do potentially on a

00:16:57.800 football field that would be criminal, not just wouldn't just be illegal of, uh, according to the

00:17:03.400 NFL rule book, but illegal, according to the law. Does this, uh, cross that line? I would say,

00:17:11.140 I mean, yes, I would say it does. Now, yeah, you could say that, well, a lot of the things that

00:17:18.120 happen in the context of a football game, if you did them out on the street, you'd go to jail.

00:17:21.880 Like for example, you know, if you just ran up and tackled somebody on the street,

00:17:26.660 you're going to go to jail. That's assault. You do it at a football game and it's part of the game.

00:17:31.200 That's true. But that's the stuff that happens between the whistles in, in, in that, that is

00:17:37.220 the point of all of that is if you're on offense, you're trying to advance the ball to the end zone.

00:17:42.200 And if you're on defense, you're trying to stop the other team from advancing the ball. And so

00:17:46.000 everything you do is in that vein. Now, sometimes people go too far. That's where they get penalties,

00:17:50.460 but something that happens totally apart from the game has got nothing to do with the game.

00:17:56.500 Whistle is already blown. Okay. Now I think you're in the realm

00:18:01.000 where what you do could actually be criminal. And I think that, yeah, if you do something

00:18:07.200 after the whistle, completely egregious, has nothing to do with the game. Um, and you do

00:18:14.740 something that could potentially give someone brain damage or, or worse than, yeah, I don't see

00:18:25.580 why you shouldn't be criminally charged. Why? If, if, if, if Miles Garrett had waited until after the

00:18:35.100 game and come up to Rudolph in the parking lot and smacked him in the head with a hard object,

00:18:42.480 would anybody dispute that he should be, that he should be prosecuted for that? Of course,

00:18:48.540 we would all agree. No, no one, how could you possibly disagree? Right. Unless you're just

00:18:53.600 going to say that, well, he's an NFL player, so it's okay. Unless we're going to say that NFL

00:18:57.260 players are totally exempt from the law, which often that's the way it works out, but that's not

00:19:01.600 the way it should be. So if, if that exact thing would be, would, would, we would all agree should

00:19:10.740 make him subject for prosecution in the parking lot, then why wouldn't it on the football field after

00:19:15.900 the whistle blows? Um, yeah, you don't, you can talk about slippery slope. You don't, you don't

00:19:24.560 want to end up in a situation, obviously, where after every play, you got to bring the lawyers in

00:19:28.460 to see who committed a crime. Clearly that's not where we want to go. That would just destroy the

00:19:31.880 game, but you could say, okay, it's illegal, criminally illegal to smack somebody in the head

00:19:40.680 with a hard object on a football field. You could say that without then destroying the football itself.

00:19:50.980 Because all we're saying to the football players is, you know, you get a lot of leeway, especially

00:19:54.780 during, especially between the whistles. Just don't try to literally kill somebody. If you do that,

00:20:01.860 then okay. Now, um, the fact that you're wearing an NFL Jersey, isn't going to protect you.

00:20:06.180 Okay. Uh, do you want to be depressed? If so, this next, next segment is for you. I thought maybe you

00:20:12.140 were looking forward to being depressed. Uh, the guardian has a lengthy article today with this

00:20:16.420 headline says, I wish I'd never been born the rise of the anti-natalists adherents view life,

00:20:23.940 not as a gift and a miracle, but a harm and an imposition. And their notion that having children 0.81

00:20:28.480 may be a bad idea seems to be gaining mainstream popularity. Uh, continuing from the article written

00:20:33.860 by Rebecca to host Dubrow, the guardian says in February, 27 year old Indian man named Raphael

00:20:40.040 Samuel announced plans for an unusual lawsuit. He said he was going to sue his parents for begetting

00:20:45.460 him. It was not our decision to be born. He told the BBC human existence is totally pointless.

00:20:50.700 Samuel recently told me over Skype from Mumbai that his is a good life and he is actually close to his

00:20:56.320 parents. His complaint is more fundamental. He believes it is wrong to bring new people into the 0.98

00:21:00.520 world without their consent. He wanted to sue his parents for a symbolic amount of money, such as a

00:21:04.640 single rupee to, to instill that fear among parents in general, because now parents don't think before

00:21:10.200 having a child. Samuel subscribes to a philosophy called anti-natalism. The basic tenant of anti-natalism

00:21:16.320 is simple, but for most of us profoundly counterintuitive that life, even under the best

00:21:19.700 circumstances is not a gift or a miracle, but rather a harm and an imposition. According to this logic,

00:21:25.200 the question of whether to have a child is not just a personal choice, but an ethical one. And the

00:21:29.360 correct answer is always no. Continuing a little bit later on in the article says,

00:21:35.540 in 2006, the South African philosopher David Benatar published a book which is widely credited

00:21:40.740 with introducing the term anti-natalism. In better never to have been born, the harm of coming into

00:21:48.380 existence, Benatar quotes the Greek tragedy in Sophocles, better to have been born is best,

00:21:55.180 but if we must see the light, the next best is quickly returning whence we came. And he also

00:22:01.740 quotes the text of Ecclesiastes, which by the way, Ecclesiastes is not an anti-natalist text. Let's be

00:22:07.020 clear about that. These quotes suggest that the sentiments at the heart of anti-natalism has been

00:22:11.700 around for a very long time. In modern history, another strain of thought emerged, warning against

00:22:17.460 the dangers of population growth. And so there've been people talking about that. And anyway, I mean,

00:22:24.980 it's depressing, but I'm not going to read this entire article, but to see where the culture is

00:22:31.940 headed and where some people are headed philosophically, I think I would recommend

00:22:36.640 going to the Guardian and reading this article. Now on one level, it seems that anti-natalism is

00:22:45.760 really just depression, self-loathing and nihilism dressed up as a philosophy. On another though,

00:22:52.120 it seems that this is really the pro-abortion position taken to its logical end. And what I

00:23:00.360 mean is anti-natalism rests on the claim, the assumption, the conviction that life has no inherent

00:23:08.980 meaning, no inherent purpose, no inherent value. I mean, that's what they're saying. It's totally

00:23:14.520 pointless. That's what the guy filed a lawsuit said. And that's also really what the pro-abortion

00:23:20.640 position rests on too. It's what all the clump of cells stuff is about. It's about claiming that

00:23:26.340 life has no inherent value. Value is not inherent. Now you could try to invent some kind of value for

00:23:35.080 yourself, some sort of purpose or point, but at bottom really comes down to it. There is no objective

00:23:43.080 point or purpose. That is, that is what the pro-abortion movement, even if it doesn't explicitly

00:23:51.200 say it, it's what it implicitly says. And in fact, the pro-abortion movement needs that to be the case 0.60

00:23:58.400 in order for their position to work. They need it to be the case that life has no inherent value.

00:24:06.280 Now, what they will try to do is they'll try to get away with something like, well,

00:24:15.640 the quote unquote fetus has no value, but certainly people who are born have all the inherent value in

00:24:21.240 the world, but that doesn't really work. Inherent value means existing in something as an essential

00:24:26.700 attribute, you know, something that is, that is, that is essential to the very nature. If something

00:24:33.320 isn't inherent to you, it is essential to your very nature. In other words, it kind of gets down

00:24:39.860 to the very core of your being. And if that's the case, that means inherent value, things that are

00:24:49.180 inherent, they can't be gained, they can't be lost. You don't develop them gradually.

00:24:54.600 They just are. So if we have inherent value, inherent objective value, then we must have had that value

00:25:05.160 from the very moment of our conception. When I, when I give talks, pro-life talks,

00:25:11.340 the way that I try to illustrate it, the illustration I often use is, okay,

00:25:18.160 think of yourself in your current state as you are right now. And you would probably say of yourself

00:25:27.900 right now that you have inherent value, you have inherent dignity, human rights, all that stuff.

00:25:33.860 Great. You know, that's what you would say about yourself right now, I assume, unless you're an 1.00

00:25:37.520 antinatalist. Now rewind the clock back 10 minutes, but you still had inherent value 10 minutes ago,

00:25:47.280 right? You didn't have any, you didn't have any less of it then than you do now. Everything's the

00:25:50.980 same. Inherent human dignity and everything. Okay. Now rewind the clock back 10 years.

00:25:56.880 Same story. Go back to when you were 10 years old. Same story. That was you. You had inherent value,

00:26:01.360 inherent dignity. Go back to when you were one year old, still you, still inherent value, inherent human

00:26:08.540 dignity. Okay, great. Um, now go back to the moment that you emerged from your mother's birth canal

00:26:16.140 and stop the tape right there. Who is that? Well, that's you. You had inherent value, inherent

00:26:22.740 dignity. Now rewind the clock another 10 seconds, just 10 seconds, 10 more seconds back.

00:26:31.540 What happened in that time? You changed locations. Yes, but it's still you, right?

00:26:40.740 10 seconds before you were born, that was still you. And so whatever was inherently true of you

00:26:49.780 when you were born must have been inherently true of that person that existed 10 seconds before birth.

00:26:56.920 And then you just keep going back all the way to conception. There is an unbroken chain of you-ness

00:27:03.880 connecting the you of today to the you that was conceived in your mother's womb. Whatever is, 0.94

00:27:10.920 therefore, whatever is inherently true of the you of today must be inherently true of the you

00:27:15.800 that was conceived in the womb. And so the only way to justify abortion is to say that, well,

00:27:24.380 we don't really have inherent value because I, I can't have inherent value without the me in the womb

00:27:31.980 also having it. And that's why even if pro-aborts are not as direct about it and they don't want to

00:27:41.100 come out and say it or admit it, um, at the end of the day, it's the same idea where life has no real

00:27:51.160 actual value. And in fact, according to the pro-abortion position, our value, whatever value we have,

00:28:00.200 and I'm sure antinatalists would say the same thing, whatever value we have rests on or depends

00:28:06.260 on, um, how, uh, uh, useful our lives are to those around us. And that's why I will say, well, you know,

00:28:17.760 an unborn child fetus has no value because he's, he's, he's dependent entirely on his mother for 0.98

00:28:23.400 survival. And then once you're at the womb, you're not as dependent, although you're still dependent

00:28:30.760 for a very long time. And then you start introducing things like euthanasia at the end of life and what

00:28:39.120 you've got as we kind of whittle away from both ends of the spectrum where we say, well, very early

00:28:45.160 on in life, you're way too dependent. You're no use to anybody. So you have no value. Then at towards

00:28:50.520 the end of your life, it's the same idea. So you have no value. Might as well just put you down,

00:28:54.100 put you out of your misery, like an old dog. And what we're doing is we're whittling away and we're 1.00

00:28:59.340 making, we're making the value of human life, not only not inherent, but in fact, contingent upon

00:29:05.380 things like self-sufficiency, your usefulness to the people around you, that sort of thing.

00:29:11.560 So that's, that's what, and that's how antinatalists look at it.

00:29:18.180 So when the Guardian says this is a growing movement and it's becoming more mainstream,

00:29:21.540 I would totally agree. In fact, I would argue that it's been mainstream for decades now.

00:29:27.020 It's just that now people are being more explicit about it.

00:29:31.320 Okay. Let's, let's see. I've had this in the queue all week to talk about, uh, the Daily Mail

00:29:36.240 has an article. It says the Irishman, you know, the movie, the Irishman, the Martin Scorsese movie,

00:29:41.740 the Irishman viewers are left baffled as lead actress, Anna Paquin speaks only six words in

00:29:47.280 her entire 10 minute airtime during three and a half hour film. I guess some feminists are trying 1.00

00:29:53.060 to make this into a sexist thing. They're saying Anna Paquin lead actress in the film doesn't talk

00:29:57.840 enough, which first of all, if you're in the film for 10 minutes and it's a three and a half hour film,

00:30:02.620 you're not a lead actress. So that's the first thing.

00:30:06.240 Second, uh, it's, it's a film with Robert De Niro, uh, Al Pacino, Joe Pesci, pretty much every legend

00:30:16.440 that is still alive, that has been in a mob movie anytime in the last 50 years is in this movie.

00:30:21.420 So I don't think anyone is going to a three and a half hour Martin Scorsese movie with De Niro,

00:30:27.380 Pesci and Pacino wanting to hear Anna Paquin talk more. I don't think anyone's going to walk away.

00:30:32.520 There's no way you could walk away from that film while after having, having watched it for three and

00:30:35.860 a half hours saying, you know, it was pretty good, but I just wish I heard more from Anna Paquin.

00:30:40.020 That's really why I was here. Just completely desperate to find sexism wherever they can. 0.99

00:30:49.860 But Anna Paquin, by the way, for her credit has just dismissed all this and said, it's ridiculous.

00:30:54.280 And she was very happy to just be in the film. Um, because I can imagine that if you're an actress

00:30:59.940 or an actor and Martin Scorsese comes to you and says, Hey, do you want to be in my movie with

00:31:03.860 Robert De Niro and Al Pacino and Joe Pesci? You're going to say, yes, give me two words and I'll,

00:31:08.160 I'll be there. All right. Finally, let's go to emails. Matt wall show at gmail.com. Matt wall show

00:31:13.440 at gmail.com. This is from Rachel says, hi, Matt coming from Kansas. I can assure you that the

00:31:17.200 Midwest is not responsible for the abomination that is the Monte Cristo sandwich. Like you, I had been spared

00:31:22.480 of knowledge of this offense of the taste buds for most of my life. This so-called dish darkened my world.

00:31:27.440 When I started dating my now husband who comes from the West coast, his utter wrongness concerning 1.00

00:31:31.640 Monte Cristo's palatability is one thing I must overlook to keep our marriage working. As for

00:31:36.460 the Midwest, our culinary shame consists of pairing chili with cinnamon rolls, pairing chili with cinnamon

00:31:47.340 rolls. It is a combination I find bizarre and frankly, as unpleasant as the Monte Cristo. In my

00:31:53.640 opinion, sweet tastes do not work with meat or cheese. I'm happy you were able to salvage a

00:31:58.120 meal with Chick-fil-A, the best fast food out there. Chili and cinnamon rolls. Now I know what

00:32:07.600 they do in Ohio and Cincinnati where they put chili on spaghetti and that's, that's bad enough because

00:32:12.240 chili is not a pasta sauce. Okay. It's its own dish. If you're having chili that you think could be

00:32:19.560 improved with spaghetti, then you know what that is? That's just bad chili.

00:32:27.520 It's the same thing I say about French fries and ketchup, by the way, if your French fries need

00:32:31.760 ketchup, what does that mean? It means that the French fries are not cooked well. They're not

00:32:35.120 seasoned. Well, if you've got well-seasoned, well-cooked French fries, you're not going to

00:32:38.880 sully them with ketchup, which is for children, by the way, no self-respecting adult should ever use

00:32:44.900 ketchup in any, in any circumstance. Once you get over the age of 13, ketchup should be illegal.

00:32:50.500 Speaking of things that should be illegal, chili and cinnamon rolls. 0.99

00:32:56.160 Where is this happening? Is this all across the Midwest? Is it in one particular state?

00:33:01.820 Where, who, who is doing this? Who's responsible? Who started this?

00:33:04.420 You can't just do that. You, you, you don't have the right to do whatever you want with chili. And I'm

00:33:14.900 really tired of this. Chili is a specific thing and, and, and it should be respected. There is nothing

00:33:21.040 in the constitution that gives you the right to do whatever you want with chili, to deface it and

00:33:26.600 desecrate it and blaspheme it in whatever way you want. It's not covered in the first amendment.

00:33:32.240 Nothing gives you the right. That is disgraceful. I mean, do, when you say pairing, do they combine

00:33:43.780 it? How does the pairing work? I know there are people who put cinnamon in their chili. It's

00:33:50.560 another thing they do in the Midwest. Listen, I don't mean to dump on the Midwest again. I, and I've

00:33:54.860 been harsh on Ohio today, especially with the Browns and Bengals, but I mean there are, and I like the

00:34:01.900 Midwest. Okay. Let me just say that. I've been in the Midwest a bunch of people that are very friendly.

00:34:05.120 All the stereotypes about people in the Midwest are the nicest people in the world. That's,

00:34:08.240 that's been my experience. They're the people that are ridiculously nice. So much so that as a cynical

00:34:14.140 person from the East coast, when I go to the Midwest, I almost get suspicious when they're, 1.00

00:34:19.140 when they're so friendly, when someone walks up to me, a stranger, and they're so nice, I immediately

00:34:24.260 think like, what's your angle? What are you getting at here? Why are you being so nice? What do you

00:34:27.320 want from me? That's what you get from living on the East coast. So a lot of nice things to be said

00:34:32.900 about it, but when it comes to the food, you just, there's, there's gotta be an intervention. I think

00:34:37.520 other, the other regions of the country need to sit the Midwest down and say, you know, listen,

00:34:42.560 there are some great things about you. We don't deny that. But when it comes to the food, you're,

00:34:46.440 you're, you're really getting out of hand, especially with chili. All right. Let's go to Joel says,

00:34:56.600 Matt, aloha from the Sandwich Isles, also known as Hawaii. Question for you. New York is recognizing

00:35:03.020 31 genders. I hear you and the other daily wire show hosts talk all the time about gender instead 0.96

00:35:07.840 of sex. Is that giving a leftist validation for the corruption of the language? The leftists have

00:35:13.140 taken the word sex and are making people say gender when they really mean sex. Heck over here 0.97

00:35:17.560 in Honolulu in front of the Hawaii state library, we have a statue of former Hawaii representative Patsy

00:35:23.440 Mink, one of the few responsible for authoring title nine, which talks about sex discrimination,

00:35:28.700 but it has been corrupted on the statute base to say gender discrimination. I don't remember law

00:35:33.360 being passed saying that gender and sex are the same thing. Although the leftists are pushing it

00:35:36.780 that way going forward, might it be better to use the correct term of sex instead of using gender and

00:35:42.200 rob the leftists of their attempted language heist? Yeah, I, I agree with you. I, I, I kind of use the,

00:35:47.500 it's sort of a lazy thing. I use the terms interchangeably because they, they really do

00:35:52.540 mean the same thing. The distinction between sex and gender is, is absurd and arbitrary.

00:35:58.380 Um, really gender originally is, is a grammatical concept. So language, you know, you could have

00:36:06.560 gendered language and words with certain, but, but, um, like in, in, uh, in Spanish, you know,

00:36:12.600 you have masculine, there's a lot of masculine and feminine words and so on. So that's, that's

00:36:16.980 where, where gender originally applied, taking it and saying that a person has a gender is a pretty

00:36:23.580 new thing. And, um, I agree that it's probably better if we go back to just talking about sex.

00:36:29.260 So that, that's something that I, sometimes I use it because just to distinguish what I'm talking

00:36:35.560 about, because it might be confusing otherwise. So for instance, if I'm talking about, um, the left's

00:36:41.340 theory of gender or their assault on gender, I say gender instead of sex, because if I said sex, 0.60

00:36:48.600 you might think that I'm in intercourse and something like that. So I, that's where I use

00:36:53.080 it just to distinguish it in that way. But, um, I agree that this is, listen, the left has

00:36:59.420 run the culture for so long and they have done so much to corrupt our language that even people 1.00

00:37:08.460 who are aware of it and opposed to it, we can sometimes fall into using the language that

00:37:16.500 they've assigned us to use. And so that's why we have to be more discerning and thoughtful in the

00:37:21.100 way that we speak, making sure that we're not accidentally surrendering the argument just with

00:37:28.960 the language we choose to use when we talk about it. So I agree with you there. Um, all right,

00:37:36.680 I think we'll actually wrap it up there. Okay. This is one more food thing from Jason says,

00:37:40.840 I was a huge fan until today. You've crossed Midwestern lines with your negative cheese

00:37:44.660 talk. I checked the Bible and I quote, thou shall eat copious amounts of cheese. I was dedicated,

00:37:50.900 a dedicated soldier to your future dictatorship, but now I will lead the rebellion against you

00:37:54.440 for the line you have crossed said in Greta Thunberg voice. How dare you? How dare you? 0.67

00:38:00.700 Jason, look, I, I, and I got a lot of stuff, emails on the cheese thing. I'm not against cheese.

00:38:05.300 I am a cheese proponent. Okay. You're not, you're not going to find very many people

00:38:08.980 who are bigger fans of cheese than me. Um, but I think the cheese in, uh, is sort of like peanut

00:38:15.580 butter and cheese is a lot better than peanut butter. Don't get me wrong. Peanut butter is

00:38:20.340 overrated, but I only compare them because they are both used. I think too often as a culinary crutch,

00:38:27.360 they are introduced into dishes where they don't belong and they tend to take over and they're very

00:38:34.900 bossy and they want to make it all about them. And so that's my thing with, with cheese.

00:38:40.640 Cheese has every right to be as confident as it is because it is delicious, but sometimes you

00:38:47.340 introduce it to a dish and all of a sudden it's all about the cheese. Same thing with peanut butter.

00:38:50.500 You know, people put peanut butter in, uh, you know, all kinds of desserts and cookies and,

00:38:55.640 you know, things, but put a little peanut butter and chocolate chip cookies and they mix it together.

00:38:59.560 And it's like, I just want the chocolate chip cookie. Now you've made it all about the stupid 1.00

00:39:02.680 peanut butter. So, um, that's my only point with cheese is that we, you don't. And, and with the 1.00

00:39:07.960 Monte Cristo thing, you've got French toast, confectionate sugar, then you put cheese in there.

00:39:15.660 You didn't, I mean, take the, take the, actually with the Monte Cristo, take the cheese out

00:39:20.220 and then the meat, just put it off to the side, maybe fry it and put it to the side.

00:39:24.480 Now you've got yourself a good breakfast dish. It's good to go. You throw the cheese on top and

00:39:30.280 it's, it's just confusing and gross, but thanks for the email. Um, and, uh, thank you for everybody

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The Matt Walsh Show - November 15, 2019

Ep. 372 - The Anti-Natalist Movement

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