The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 380 - Rules For Thanksgiving

00:00:00.180 Welcome to the show, everybody. Happy Thanksgiving as we get ready for Thanksgiving, the big day tomorrow, the final exam.

00:00:07.700 Hope you've hope you've studied because, you know, the media, the media realizes that we're all a bunch of incompetent, helpless morons. 0.99

00:00:16.340 And we don't know how to speak to our own families around the dinner table without precise instructions. 0.84

00:00:21.320 And so fortunately, our betters in the media are always eager to help us out in this regard and to give us, you know, to give us those tutorials,

00:00:29.120 which is why around this time every year, we are treated to a slew of conversational instruction manuals from the media telling us how to talk to our family.

00:00:38.580 Not just not just what to talk about, but also how to talk about those things.

00:00:43.160 So this year, as it happens, our white knights, our knights in shining armor, armor have have gone above and beyond the call of duty.

00:00:51.680 And here's just a quick sampling. I looked on on on on Google and here's just a quick sampling of the how to talk to your family article.

00:00:59.120 Which is a a burgeoning genre. A quick sampling. These are some that have been have been published recently.

00:01:06.940 So we have how to talk about the economy with your family on Thanksgiving.

00:01:11.840 Here's how to fact check your family at the Thanksgiving dinner table.

00:01:15.380 How to deal with climate skeptics at Thanksgiving dinner.

00:01:18.900 How to talk about race at Thanksgiving.

00:01:21.200 How to talk about politics at your Thanksgiving table.

00:01:24.000 How to talk about the truth and Trump at Thanksgiving.

00:01:26.140 How to talk about reproductive freedom with your anti-choice family members at Thanksgiving.

00:01:31.200 How to talk about impeachment at Thanksgiving.

00:01:35.160 How to talk to your misogynistic family members this holiday season.

00:01:39.300 How to talk about gun control with your family at Thanksgiving dinner.

00:01:42.540 How to talk about your career during the holidays.

00:01:45.200 How to talk about medical cannabis at Thanksgiving dinner.

00:01:48.440 How to talk about TikTok with your family this Thanksgiving.

00:01:51.320 How to talk to your family about anime at Thanksgiving.

00:01:54.600 Vegan? Here's how to talk to your family at Thanksgiving.

00:01:57.880 How to handle money conversations on Thanksgiving.

00:02:01.120 Thanksgiving in the age of Donald Trump.

00:02:03.320 Nine ways to avoid political food fights.

00:02:06.200 Five ways to talk to your pro-Trump family on Thanksgiving.

00:02:09.560 Five things to talk about at Thanksgiving that aren't politics.

00:02:13.020 How to have constructive conversations at a divisive Thanksgiving.

00:02:17.620 Fifteen things you should never discuss at Thanksgiving dinner.

00:02:20.720 Why you should talk about feminism with your family over the holidays. 0.99

00:02:24.000 Seven ways to talk to your racist uncle this Thanksgiving.

00:02:27.300 And finally, men are lonely. 0.96

00:02:29.660 Men are angry.

00:02:30.720 Men fear death. 0.69

00:02:32.000 Thanksgiving is the time to talk about it.

00:02:34.800 And don't worry because if you're wondering,

00:02:38.920 okay, but how do I talk about Thanksgiving on Thanksgiving?

00:02:43.080 Well, CNN has an article about that.

00:02:45.020 They have that base covered.

00:02:46.160 They have a how to talk to kids about Thanksgiving so that they really get it.

00:02:51.380 So, I know that's a lot to take in.

00:02:56.040 This is a lot of material to study.

00:02:58.560 Precise instructions for every imaginable topic.

00:03:02.480 Lists of what to talk about, what not to talk about.

00:03:05.900 It's very confusing, especially when they contradict a little bit.

00:03:08.100 Because on one hand, it's, you know, how to dominate your family in a politics debate.

00:03:12.580 And how to avoid politics.

00:03:14.000 So, how do you do both of those things?

00:03:16.400 I don't know.

00:03:16.840 And that's what you really need to sit down, you know, draw up a Venn diagram.

00:03:20.920 I mean, you just got to work through this.

00:03:22.600 And for me, this is why I'm always up until 3 a.m. or 4 a.m. the morning before Thanksgiving, cramming.

00:03:29.900 You know, I'm popping Adderall and I'm trying to do as much studying as I can.

00:03:34.560 I've got flashcards and everything.

00:03:36.660 Because this is normal, right?

00:03:37.720 This is how normal people are.

00:03:39.920 We need a writer at Vox or NPR.com to tell us how to talk to our own families.

00:03:45.100 Because I have no idea how to do it.

00:03:47.260 And so, the first thing I do is I Google it, which is what I did here.

00:03:51.140 I think the main thing is this.

00:03:53.040 You want to make sure, and this is so crucial.

00:03:56.320 You want to make sure that nothing spontaneous or sincere or lively or interesting or real or alive happens when you're with your loved ones.

00:04:12.100 Okay, this is not a time for sincerity.

00:04:16.960 You wouldn't want to, you know, just talk to your family.

00:04:23.660 You wouldn't want to do that.

00:04:24.420 It's important that you have the bullet points, the script.

00:04:27.520 In fact, and don't feel like there's anything wrong with this.

00:04:32.020 I know in a traditional test, you're not allowed to bring your notes with you.

00:04:35.320 But this is a test where you're allowed to bring your notes.

00:04:37.600 So, I will bring, I'll have a folder or a binder with all of my notes.

00:04:43.340 And I've got it carefully organized.

00:04:45.000 And so, if somebody brings up climate change or they bring up gun control, all I say is just hang on a second.

00:04:51.700 I flip through.

00:04:52.320 You know, I start flipping through and I find my notes.

00:04:55.280 And then I make my 12 pre-approved points.

00:04:59.600 And then I say, discussion terminated.

00:05:02.600 And I stand up and I walk immediately out of the room.

00:05:05.720 And this is just, this is how you spend time with your family.

00:05:10.840 And you have a lovely, lovely Thanksgiving that way.

00:05:14.660 Okay, a few other things to talk about as we get ready for the holiday season to officially kick off here.

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00:07:27.460 All right, by the way, here is PETA claiming that the Georgia Bulldog mascot is being abused.

00:07:35.800 You see the tweet here, and you see the dog there in the rain, and PETA says,

00:07:40.400 He looks miserable.

00:07:41.340 No dog deserves to be packed up, carted from state to state, and paraded in front of a stadium full of screaming fans. 0.72

00:07:47.560 Animals are not mascots.

00:07:50.100 Georgia must retire.

00:07:54.600 What's the dog's name?

00:07:55.500 Uga?

00:07:55.720 Is that what they call him?

00:07:57.860 He should be at home with a loving family. 0.96

00:08:00.720 First of all, Bulldogs always look miserable. 0.80

00:08:04.760 Okay, that's sort of their look. 0.91

00:08:06.200 They've got resting, depressed face.

00:08:08.260 So you can't really judge a book by its cover as far as that goes.

00:08:11.840 Second, though, more to the point, what you see here is a dog in his own private air-conditioned tent taking a nap

00:08:20.720 while a bunch of humans stand in the rain.

00:08:23.380 So who has it better here?

00:08:25.860 You see the dog in his air-conditioned tent just hanging out, and all the miserable people on the rain, and PETA is concerned about the dog.

00:08:32.740 Not to mention the dog travels around the country, has legions of adoring fans, is fawned over by everyone, has a diet better than me, gets better accommodations than I do when I travel.

00:08:44.240 If you're looking for an example of a neglected or abused animal, you couldn't possibly choose a worse example than this.

00:08:50.140 This dog is like the Kardashian of dogs.

00:08:52.720 He's a pampered celebrity.

00:08:53.740 So I'm just not sure that this is a good example.

00:08:59.680 Okay, here's something else that annoyed me a little bit.

00:09:02.660 Remember John Schnatter?

00:09:04.980 I think that's how you pronounce his last name, or Schnatter.

00:09:07.940 Papa John, we'll just call him.

00:09:10.120 Used to be a ubiquitous presence on TV, especially during the football season.

00:09:13.520 And he's the guy who founded Papa John's.

00:09:19.140 Well, he got ousted from his company a year ago, you may remember, for alleged racism.

00:09:23.640 And we'll get back to that in a second.

00:09:24.780 We'll talk about why he was actually ousted.

00:09:26.760 But Papa John did an interview with WDRB in Louisville, and clips from that interview went viral yesterday, with everybody sort of cackling and mocking him for it, especially because of this part right here.

00:09:39.300 Listen.

00:09:39.480 I've had over 40 pizzas in the last 30 days, and it's not the same pizza.

00:09:44.060 It's not the same product.

00:09:45.100 It just doesn't taste as good.

00:09:46.420 The way they're making the pizza, the way they're putting the pizza together, is just not fundamentally sound to what makes a Papa John's pizza a Papa John's pizza.

00:09:53.780 It sounds like you're saying that it's taken a huge hit since your departure.

00:09:59.540 Would you ever consider, or do you want to go back?

00:10:02.520 Right now, I don't want to go back.

00:10:04.180 But this is still your baby.

00:10:05.420 It's got your name on it.

00:10:06.280 It's got your point stuff on it.

00:10:08.700 It's hard to watch this.

00:10:11.900 I mean, every single thing you can possibly do wrong to mismanage this company, they're doing.

00:10:16.740 Schnatter says he still loves the company he built, but he has sold millions in stock and is no longer the largest individual shareholder.

00:10:25.080 My metaphor is there's no reason to be in the car when the car crashes, even if you love the car.

00:10:30.700 If you were to walk back in as CEO, what do you think the employees would say?

00:10:34.820 If the management team was out and I went back in, they'd be cheering.

00:10:38.440 They'd be doing back flips.

00:10:39.700 They'd be bouncing off the walls.

00:10:40.820 Okay, so he says he ate 40 pizzas in a month, which, yeah, is weird.

00:10:47.380 I don't know if we're talking about 40 full pizzas or 40 slices of pizzas throughout a month, because 40 slices, that would be about a slice and a third per day.

00:10:57.420 40, that's not too bad.

00:11:00.600 Still a lot of pizza.

00:11:01.900 If we're talking 40 entire pizzas, then that's just deadly.

00:11:07.940 But, and yeah, he looks a little bit sweaty there and everything.

00:11:10.460 And that's the reason this went viral, because everyone's snickering and pointing and laughing.

00:11:14.560 He ate 40 pizzas.

00:11:15.880 He looks so sweaty.

00:11:16.820 What a freak.

00:11:17.740 That kind of thing. 1.00

00:11:18.500 But this is just an example, I think, of our stupid, frivolous, perpetually adolescent culture. 1.00

00:11:27.420 Because the real story here is that this guy, John Schnatter, he got railroaded, smeared, and tossed under the bus by his own company, the company he founded. 0.99

00:11:40.800 These people that, you know, they just threw him to the wolves and stole his company from him.

00:11:46.580 So remember what happened.

00:11:47.720 He was on a conference call with people in his company and a marketing agency.

00:11:52.240 And the conference call, the subject of the call, was about how to navigate racial controversies as a company.

00:11:59.360 So during the course of that discussion, apparently, this is, I guess, according to him, but I don't think anyone else, anyone ever denied that this was the context of it.

00:12:08.860 So during the course of that discussion, he used the N-word.

00:12:14.800 But he used it while quoting racist things that other people had said as an example of the sorts of controversies that they're trying to navigate, right?

00:12:25.440 So he was basically saying, as an example of what they were talking about, remember when so-and-so said, said blank.

00:12:32.640 So it was a quote or a paraphrase.

00:12:34.840 He did utter the syllables.

00:12:36.720 Okay, he did say the word, but the context was totally innocuous.

00:12:40.780 And traditionally, right, intent and context are important facets of human conversation.

00:12:46.520 You need to take those into account.

00:12:50.800 So if you say a bad thing, if you say a bad thing, and I repeat the bad thing you said by way of informing others that the bad thing was said, I am not myself guilty of the bad thing.

00:13:08.220 Right?

00:13:08.740 And with the N-word, however, it has been decided that the word itself, just the actual word, those letters put together and the syllables, somehow transcend intent and context completely.

00:13:23.400 So that intent and context make no difference at all.

00:13:28.680 If the word is said by someone with the wrong skin pigmentation, it doesn't matter why it was said.

00:13:33.980 It makes no difference.

00:13:35.700 They're going to lose their job.

00:13:36.740 They're going to lose everything.

00:13:37.340 That, obviously, is insane. 0.61

00:13:43.000 I was about to call it silliness, but it's a lot more than silliness.

00:13:45.620 When a person loses his livelihood and his reputation, it becomes something much more than silliness, I think.

00:13:51.660 Because we must realize that a word is not a magical spell.

00:13:58.180 Okay?

00:13:58.880 A word itself, the power of a word, all depends on the intent and the manner in which the word is used.

00:14:07.340 There cannot be a single word.

00:14:12.100 There is not a single word in existence that could never, where there could never be an innocent or innocuous reason to use it.

00:14:21.560 Because the reason could be something as simple as, I'm telling you what someone else said, or I'm reading it.

00:14:29.280 Right?

00:14:29.640 And besides, you might say, well, he shouldn't have said the word.

00:14:36.240 He should have just said N-word. 0.98

00:14:37.480 Okay.

00:14:38.020 Yeah.

00:14:38.180 In terms of self-preservation and navigating our crazy, politically correct culture, then, yeah, that's what he should have done.

00:14:45.740 I think we all know that.

00:14:46.780 But if he had said N-word rather than just saying the word, he would still be communicating the words. 0.92

00:14:53.580 That's what doesn't make any sense to me.

00:14:54.820 You're still communicating it.

00:14:56.820 Everyone knows what you mean.

00:14:58.980 You're still putting the word into someone else's head.

00:15:01.440 You're causing them to think about the thing that you're conveying.

00:15:05.160 That's what communication is.

00:15:07.400 So, practically speaking, it's not really any different.

00:15:10.260 I mean, what if he had spelled the word?

00:15:12.340 What if rather than say N-word or rather than say the word, what if he had spelled the entire word?

00:15:16.620 Is that racist?

00:15:17.860 To spell a word?

00:15:18.680 Well, I think we would all have to agree no.

00:15:22.160 Or maybe is it?

00:15:23.220 Maybe it is.

00:15:23.780 So, you could say the first letter, maybe the second, but you can't say the last three.

00:15:28.400 I mean, what, how far does this go?

00:15:33.280 And what, if you spell the word, then you, again, have communicated the word and put the word into someone else's head,

00:15:39.400 which is the same thing, practically speaking, as just saying it.

00:15:43.820 Um, so, this guy loses his job and his reputation is destroyed, um, because of this.

00:15:54.300 And, and the reason why that happened is that someone on the conference call went and leaked it to the media.

00:16:00.200 And his company threw him under the bus.

00:16:02.420 He's kicked out of the place that he built.

00:16:04.760 And he's remembered now as a racist, even though there's no evidence that he is.

00:16:09.840 And the most, the headline that most people take from this is that it's funny because he said he ate a lot of pizzas.

00:16:18.320 He said in that interview how the people that threw him under the bus, he made it to millionaires.

00:16:22.560 Um, he made the millionaires and then they set out to destroy him.

00:16:25.700 And that's, that sounds accurate.

00:16:27.380 It sounds like that's exactly what happened.

00:16:31.380 So, shouldn't we be defending this guy?

00:16:33.220 I mean, isn't this, I never understood this.

00:16:35.900 As concerned as everybody is about cancel, not everybody, at least people who aren't on the far left.

00:16:43.320 Um, so as concerned as people aside from far leftists are about the cancel culture, this seems to be one of the most egregious examples of it. 0.57

00:16:53.340 And it, no one really cared when it happened.

00:16:58.300 I, I never quite got that.

00:17:00.080 I mean, this guy got completely railroaded in, in, in, in a, in a situation where it's obvious.

00:17:07.860 I mean, it, they're having this conversation.

00:17:10.840 Everybody on the conference call understands what they're talking about and understands what he's saying.

00:17:15.760 And then one of them went, at least one of them went and, and decided to take this and just destroy the guy.

00:17:22.680 I mean, that's how evil is that?

00:17:23.960 That's, but yeah, it doesn't matter because he ate a lot of pizzas and he, and he looks sweaty in an interview and, and, you know, that's, that's all that matters.

00:17:32.000 It's, it's crazy to me.

00:17:34.980 All right.

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00:18:38.660 Okay.

00:18:39.060 There was, um, an article in the economist a few days ago titled the roots of the gender pay

00:18:44.740 gap lie in childhood.

00:18:46.180 Um, and it's all about the, the child penalty, about how having children lowers a woman's 0.93

00:18:53.880 lifetime earnings.

00:18:55.500 And the article seems to bemoan that fact.

00:18:57.640 So here's the first paragraph.

00:18:59.020 It says it is well known that parenthood tends to hurt women's careers, but not men's numerous

00:19:03.740 studies have shown that as a group, having children lowers women's lifetime earnings 1.00

00:19:07.780 and outcome known as the child penalty, a wide range of individual decisions account for

00:19:12.340 this effect.

00:19:12.860 Some women work for you hours or not at all when their children are young. 1.00

00:19:15.900 Others switch to jobs that are more family friendly, but lower paid.

00:19:19.000 There's also a substantial variation in the size of the earnings decline, ranging from

00:19:23.200 zero all the way up to a hundred percent in the case of women who stopped working

00:19:26.520 all together.

00:19:27.860 And then it goes on from there.

00:19:29.380 Just two quick points I wanted to make about this.

00:19:31.380 Number one, uh, calling it a, the phrase child penalty to me, it's just another example

00:19:40.000 of the sort of scorn and disregard that we heap on children, uh, which, which I'm hesitant

00:19:50.840 to use the word because it's so overused, but I would almost call it a sort of bigotry

00:19:54.920 that we have against children in this culture.

00:19:59.000 We talk about, you know, people are very open and talking about children as burdens or how they

00:20:04.860 hate being around kids in public and, and, and, and so on.

00:20:09.180 I don't think that's the right phrase to use child penalty.

00:20:13.180 And I think that the women who choose to have kids and then make adjustments to their lives, 1.00

00:20:20.680 maybe they're, they get a lower paying job so they can be home more.

00:20:23.800 Maybe they leave their job and they stay home with the kids.

00:20:27.300 I don't think that these women feel like they're being penalized. 1.00

00:20:29.700 This is what they want to do.

00:20:34.040 Um, and it makes sense really, because as much as the media might bemoan the loss of,

00:20:44.020 of earnings that comes from having kids, you have to think when you're on your deathbed,

00:20:51.600 um, well, I very much doubt that there's ever been someone on their deathbed looking back

00:20:58.980 at their life and regretting that they hadn't earned more income.

00:21:05.540 I just, I don't think that's the kind of thing that you're going to be worried about.

00:21:14.000 And we all sort of know that, right?

00:21:15.660 And there, there, there are many things that we spend our days worrying about and caring about

00:21:20.560 that we know when we are on our deathbed, unless we die suddenly in a car accident or something.

00:21:25.700 But if we, if we're on our deathbed and we have that moment, we know that we're going

00:21:29.300 to, you know, we're going to regret spending all that time worrying about those things.

00:21:34.380 And so lifetime earnings is one of those things.

00:21:36.720 On the other hand, when you're on your deathbed, I don't think you're going to regret having

00:21:41.020 children.

00:21:42.900 In fact, your, your regrets will be not that you had kids, but that you didn't spend more

00:21:48.780 time with them.

00:21:50.800 That's where the regrets are.

00:21:53.760 I certainly, and I am certain that no one's ever been on their deathbed and regretted and

00:21:58.760 wished that they had spent less time around their family and their kids.

00:22:03.800 I don't think anyone's ever been lying there hours before death and said, oh man, I wish

00:22:09.280 I had taken more hours at work so that I would have been away from my kids more.

00:22:14.720 Right?

00:22:15.100 No one is saying that.

00:22:18.220 So I think the, the decision to spend more time with your kids rather than, even if it

00:22:24.840 means sacrificing money, that's a, that's a decision that most people will ultimately

00:22:30.780 will not live to regret.

00:22:32.000 And, and even if you do regret, I mean, if, if you're on your deathbed and you're worried

00:22:37.420 about your lifetime earnings and how much money you made, that's only going to be because

00:22:42.860 you want to leave something for your kids, which means you have to have them.

00:22:47.700 If you had no kids and you spent your entire life focused on yourself and on attaining material

00:22:54.780 goods for yourself, well, that's not going to mean anything to you.

00:23:00.160 You're going to see how empty and hollow that actually was.

00:23:03.760 All right, before we get to some emails and we wrap it up for the week, speaking of Thanksgiving

00:23:07.320 rules, I thought it would be helpful and necessary to review as we head into Thanksgiving, the rules

00:23:16.420 and restrictions for Thanksgiving, as they apply to the food.

00:23:23.740 These are as of now unwritten rules, but of course, upon my ascension to the throne, they will be engraved

00:23:29.240 in stone, literally engraved in stone.

00:23:30.860 In fact, I'm going to have all my laws in carved to the, to the side of a mountain.

00:23:36.520 So everyone can see it.

00:23:37.480 It's going to have to be a pretty big mountain because I've got a lot of laws and rules and this will be

00:23:42.400 one of them.

00:23:43.020 So Thanksgiving, a few guidelines here.

00:23:44.880 I think I've got maybe five rules for, for the, for how you handle the food on Thanksgiving.

00:23:53.480 Number one, no seafood is permitted.

00:23:58.240 Seafood in general is overrated, but I'm not going to stop you from eating it if you want to

00:24:02.640 tonight or if you want to on Friday.

00:24:05.200 Okay.

00:24:05.640 If you want to waste your time having shrimp or salmon or something, then go ahead.

00:24:10.260 I don't know why you would do that when beef exists, but you know, knock yourself out.

00:24:16.320 But Thanksgiving is not a time for that.

00:24:19.400 And, and really none of the holidays are.

00:24:22.240 We're talking about Thanksgiving.

00:24:23.360 We're talking about Christmas.

00:24:24.340 We're talking about Easter.

00:24:25.960 None of those are times for, for seafood.

00:24:27.960 It's just, it's not substantial enough of a dish, uh, to have a place on the table.

00:24:36.820 And I know when I go through this because my wife's family, they're big seafood fans.

00:24:41.180 And I've got to watch them like a hawk because every holiday occasion, they're looking, they're

00:24:45.600 looking for an excuse to put some seafood on the table.

00:24:47.520 And so this is something, this is something I struggle with.

00:24:50.560 And I go through in my own personal life.

00:24:53.100 Number two, absolutely no pasta on Thanksgiving.

00:24:57.040 This is America.

00:24:58.700 Pasta on Thanksgiving is wildly inappropriate and unethical.

00:25:02.900 Thanksgiving is a time for American foods, not pasta.

00:25:07.260 And don't give me the whole, what about mac and cheese?

00:25:10.700 Okay.

00:25:11.420 First of all, mac and cheese, macaroni and cheese on Thanksgiving.

00:25:15.260 How old are you?

00:25:16.040 Four?

00:25:17.520 And it is pasta.

00:25:19.260 And besides, and here's the main point with the pasta.

00:25:20.880 Number one, not American. 0.97

00:25:21.860 Number two, it, Thanksgiving is a time when it comes to the side dishes, this is a time

00:25:27.660 for potatoes to really shine.

00:25:29.640 And you're not going to put pasta and potatoes on the same plate.

00:25:33.180 Okay.

00:25:33.580 You're not going to put macaroni and cheese right next to, uh, your mashed potatoes.

00:25:39.600 That doesn't make any sense.

00:25:42.680 So this is about the potatoes.

00:25:44.480 It's not about the pasta.

00:25:45.740 Again, you can have the pasta any other time.

00:25:47.520 Except on holidays.

00:25:49.940 Number three, um, I will allow multiple proteins at the table.

00:25:54.580 Uh, you want to have ham in addition to turkey.

00:25:56.900 That's fine.

00:25:57.720 But turkey is the star.

00:25:59.200 Turkey gets the, the, the prime place on the table.

00:26:03.040 It's at the center of the action.

00:26:04.860 Uh, if there's only one protein that damn well better be turkey, ham has Christmas, ham also

00:26:11.760 has Easter.

00:26:12.860 Okay.

00:26:13.300 So it gets two holidays and ham can take a back seat.

00:26:17.060 We can't let it steal the spotlight on Thanksgiving.

00:26:18.960 It needs to learn its role and know its place.

00:26:21.080 Number four, all side dishes, green beans, potatoes, stuffing, cranberry sauce, et cetera, um, must

00:26:29.480 be cooked in a traditional way.

00:26:31.720 This is not a time for experimentation.

00:26:33.640 This is a, not a time for showboating.

00:26:37.980 Thanksgiving is, it's kind of like a Rolling Stones concert.

00:26:40.600 Okay.

00:26:40.800 If you're going to a Rolling Stones concert, you don't want to hear the song they cooked

00:26:44.680 up in 2016.

00:26:45.920 You want to hear the same stuff they've been playing for 50 years.

00:26:48.440 If you went to a Rolling Stones concert in 1972 and you, you want the concert you go to

00:26:55.800 in 2019 to sound exactly like that concert in 1972.

00:27:01.100 And it's the same thing with Thanksgiving.

00:27:03.020 We want the same dishes that our grandmothers made basically, unless your grandmother was 0.67

00:27:08.620 a communist who put marshmallows and sweet potatoes, in which case she and you are getting 0.91

00:27:13.180 shipped to the Gulag, uh, because her reign of terror is finally coming to an end and she 0.88

00:27:17.600 will answer for those crimes.

00:27:18.980 Number five, pumpkin pie.

00:27:21.120 And we'll get into the dessert and, and I'm shocked that this is even controversial.

00:27:26.280 There are people that try to argue with this and I find it, I find it, uh, just stunning.

00:27:32.160 Pumpkin pie is the primary dessert at Thanksgiving, uh, with homemade whipped cream.

00:27:37.560 You know, if you put cool whip on that table, that's 15 years of hard labor.

00:27:42.180 Uh, so you want the homemade whipped cream with the pumpkin pie.

00:27:44.900 Now, if you want, again, it's kind of like the turkey, you've got the turkey as the star.

00:27:49.360 You want to put something else along with it.

00:27:51.860 That's fine.

00:27:52.380 You want to put an apple pie down.

00:27:53.740 That's fine.

00:27:55.180 I'm not going to have an issue with that.

00:27:56.760 You want to put some other kind, you want to put brownies down or cookies.

00:27:59.360 Yeah, that's fine.

00:28:00.160 They're around the peripheral, around the edges, but you got the pumpkin pie right there

00:28:03.640 in the middle.

00:28:04.900 Cherry pie is a disgrace. 0.92

00:28:06.680 Doesn't belong on any table for any occasion.

00:28:09.240 Chocolate pies are not pies.

00:28:10.880 That's just pudding with crust.

00:28:12.920 Okay.

00:28:13.040 It's not elevated enough.

00:28:15.420 I've got no problem with pudding with crust, but it's just not elevated enough for the

00:28:19.120 Thanksgiving occasion.

00:28:20.900 And I think those are the basic rules.

00:28:25.260 And if you, if you stick with that, you'll be fine.

00:28:27.760 Now you might ask upon my ascension, how would I enforce these rules?

00:28:32.840 Um, in order to enforce them, wouldn't it be necessary that I basically abolish everyone's 0.81

00:28:38.400 privacy rights completely?

00:28:39.540 And the answer to that is yes, I, you know, of course, absolutely.

00:28:42.880 That's the whole point of being a tyrannical dictator.

00:28:44.760 And I've always been consistent about this.

00:28:46.320 You know, I believe in constitutional rights and liberties for me, you know, I, and the

00:28:52.380 most important thing.

00:28:53.180 So for me right now as a person without power, yeah, I want everyone to have those rights

00:28:57.540 so that I can have them.

00:28:58.560 But obviously when I'm in power, I, you know, I have all the power, so I don't care about

00:29:02.400 the rights anymore.

00:29:02.960 So that's going to go out the window and, um, here's, here's going to essentially be

00:29:08.480 my strategy.

00:29:09.040 I'm going to have my military, uh, activated of course on Thanksgiving and they're going

00:29:13.040 to go into, they'll be in every town basically.

00:29:15.700 And they're going to do random checks.

00:29:17.040 They're just going to come into a random house, do a check of the dinner table, make

00:29:20.140 sure everything's in working order.

00:29:21.800 They're not going to be able to look at every house, but this is where my reign is going to

00:29:26.040 be very much a reign of terror.

00:29:27.900 So, um, I'm going to make it clear that, you know, if you observe infractions at your

00:29:34.120 dinner table by your family members and you report them, you'll get a $10,000 reward.

00:29:40.400 If you don't, you'll be executed.

00:29:42.940 So, uh, and I, and I think with that terror along with, uh, the military, I think, you know,

00:29:50.460 we could really, um, basically snuff out all of the Thanksgiving infractions, which for

00:29:57.740 me, from, from my observations have become far too widespread.

00:30:01.920 Uh, so that's what you have to look forward to, but you might as well, even before I'm

00:30:05.840 dictator, you might as well start now and just start following the rules ahead of time.

00:30:10.960 So that by the time I'm sitting on the throne, you know, you've kind of gotten into the groove

00:30:16.620 of things.

00:30:17.880 All right.

00:30:18.320 Let's go to emails, mattwalshow at, uh, gmail.com, uh, mattwalshow at gmail.com.

00:30:22.840 This is from Nathan says, Mr. Walsh, I'm a freshman in high school and we were having

00:30:26.020 our first AP human geography debate in a few weeks on whether English should be the official

00:30:29.900 language of the U S I feel like I know what your opinion is, but I was trying to get some

00:30:33.660 good counter arguments to the whole diversity is our strength stitch stick because the counter

00:30:38.160 arguments I come up with sound cruel and unfeeling, which brings into question why I'm asking

00:30:42.360 you theocratic fascist, but I would love your input.

00:30:45.300 So yeah, I guess if you're looking for answers that are not cruel and unfeeling, then you're 0.83

00:30:51.320 talking to the wrong guy, but here's what I would say.

00:30:55.440 Uh, it's, well, it's more of a question, Nathan, that I would pose to anyone who goes with the

00:31:00.180 diversity is our strength thing.

00:31:01.560 All you have to ask them is why is it our strength?

00:31:04.520 So you're saying diversity is our strength.

00:31:06.160 Okay.

00:31:07.380 Why?

00:31:08.280 What's so great about it?

00:31:09.860 Now I'm guessing that most people who use that line will be defeated right there.

00:31:15.320 You've already beat them because they probably can't explain why it matters.

00:31:19.220 They're just going to start stumbling around and they won't be able to come up with an answer.

00:31:22.700 Um, but, and that's because they're so used to the assumption that diversity matters that

00:31:28.360 they've never actually stopped to think about why it does, or if it even does.

00:31:32.800 But if they come up with an answer, I assume it will have something to do with

00:31:36.560 how we are all enriched, you know, by the input and the influence of other cultures and how it

00:31:42.840 makes for a richer and more vibrant culture and so on.

00:31:46.240 But here's the issue.

00:31:47.100 It's really hard to be enriched by the influence of other people.

00:31:53.660 It's really hard to even have a culture that can be improved by diversity in the first place 1.00

00:31:58.660 if we can't understand each other.

00:32:01.380 So communication, the ability to communicate is one of the most fundamental, most essential

00:32:06.440 ingredients in any culture and in any country.

00:32:09.940 You literally cannot have a country or a culture if the people aren't able to communicate.

00:32:14.820 And that's what this is about.

00:32:15.540 So whether diversity is our strength or not, communication is still essential.

00:32:21.940 So you don't need to argue on diversity.

00:32:23.880 Maybe that's what you're worried about.

00:32:24.760 Well, how am I going to, you don't have to argue that point.

00:32:27.940 Grant the point and say, okay, well, in order for that to make a difference, we need to be

00:32:33.580 able to communicate.

00:32:35.660 I mean, how am I really going to be influenced and enriched and all of that by someone else

00:32:42.860 if I can't understand what they're saying to me?

00:32:45.540 Let's see.

00:32:47.380 This is from, well, there's no name here.

00:32:55.600 It says, I understand your position on this, but our family has always really enjoyed getting

00:32:59.280 Christmas ornaments, particularly handcrafted one.

00:33:02.320 One notable example is how my sisters and their friends have given each other ornaments

00:33:06.520 from time to time, generally with some sort of particular meaning, such as a clear ball

00:33:12.140 with elvish runes painted on the side.

00:33:15.420 We have a tradition in our family where we pray for the people who gave us the ornament,

00:33:19.080 since nearly every ornament on a tree is from someone, and many of them are handmade.

00:33:22.920 I have a bead craft that I make that I have used to make ornaments for my family, such as

00:33:29.580 a 3D wreath or a Christmas tree.

00:33:32.180 One year, my dad and I carved a Christmas tree and a wreath out of a nice block of ash wood

00:33:36.860 for my mother.

00:33:37.320 Well, I certainly understand not wanting to get a red bauble for Christmas.

00:33:44.620 Sometimes an ornament can have a meaning or worth above its material value.

00:33:48.680 It goes back to the saying, it's the thought that counts, but in a good way.

00:33:51.820 The meaning behind the gift is what is important about it.

00:33:54.720 Well, I just disagree.

00:33:56.320 The thought doesn't mean anything.

00:33:58.120 You know, what do I care?

00:33:59.320 What thought was in your head when you got me a gift?

00:34:02.040 Do I like it?

00:34:03.120 Can I use it?

00:34:04.000 Can I eat it?

00:34:05.500 Okay, these are the questions that I'm asking myself.

00:34:09.220 This is from Alex, says,

00:34:11.160 I share your perspective that sex ed should not be taught in schools the way it is. 0.91

00:34:15.580 And in the case of schools in England, teaching primary school kids how to masturbate is horrifying.

00:34:21.120 But I was wondering how you feel in STD education in schools.

00:34:23.900 It seems that to me that this also should be left to the parents.

00:34:26.820 But considering there are many parents that feel uncomfortable talking about stuff like this

00:34:29.540 with their kids, would it not be beneficial for schools to teach students about STDs?

00:34:33.200 Because obviously this should wait until the kids are at least 13 to 14.

00:34:36.720 But it seems clear to me that it's better for all students to know the dangers of STDs

00:34:39.920 before any of them are sexually active.

00:34:42.460 Thanks and love the show.

00:34:43.820 Yeah, Alex.

00:34:44.380 Well, yeah, they should know about STDs the same way we teach them about any other disease.

00:34:48.660 So this is a fact that's relevant to biology.

00:34:52.440 And that's how I would approach it.

00:34:53.840 That was my point with sex ed, that you don't need a specific sex ed subject.

00:34:58.380 You want to teach the biology of human reproduction?

00:35:01.380 Okay, you do that in science class.

00:35:02.640 You want to teach anatomy?

00:35:04.500 That's also a scientific topic.

00:35:07.440 STDs, again, that's a topic that is covered in an academic environment.

00:35:13.400 It's when they get into their own ideology, their own perspective on sexual activity and

00:35:19.020 everything, that's when we have a problem.

00:35:21.780 Finally, this is from Tony.

00:35:24.280 He says,

00:35:24.460 Hi, Matt.

00:35:24.840 I'm not a parent myself, but I respect the fact that you don't seem to follow new age

00:35:28.820 slash liberal methods of parenting.

00:35:30.960 I'd love to hear you go on a rant about parents who let their kids misbehave in public.

00:35:35.100 I was out the other day and saw a kid acting out majorly while his mother wasn't doing anything

00:35:39.100 about it.

00:35:39.600 Well, Tony, I agree there are a lot of bad parents these days.

00:35:50.520 I agree that a lot of parents let their kids get away with everything and that those kids

00:35:55.200 go on to inflict society with themselves being generally spoiled, lazy, entitled, and so

00:36:00.380 on.

00:36:00.740 I agree this is a problem, and much of it goes back to parenting, so I wouldn't deny that.

00:36:06.600 I'm with you there.

00:36:07.440 But maybe I'll throw a curveball at you today by not giving you the rant you asked for, because

00:36:14.860 there's another side to this that you as a non-parent, I think especially, probably need

00:36:19.860 to hear.

00:36:21.640 You didn't really give me any details about this situation that you witnessed with the

00:36:25.840 mom and their child.

00:36:27.760 I don't know where you were.

00:36:29.060 I don't know what the kid was doing.

00:36:30.320 I don't know what his mom was doing or not doing.

00:36:32.720 It's possible that what you saw was totally egregious and inexcusable, and I'd certainly

00:36:38.220 believe that.

00:36:38.940 I've witnessed things like that.

00:36:40.340 We all have.

00:36:42.280 But, so I don't know if what I'll say here applies to this situation or not.

00:36:49.460 Maybe it does or doesn't.

00:36:51.140 But it does apply to many situations that you're likely to see.

00:36:53.500 So here's what I would caution you.

00:36:55.820 You can't judge a parent based on one short snapshot, okay?

00:37:01.760 You can't, and we all do this, but we shouldn't.

00:37:04.560 You can't look at a parent in one brief, isolated, stressful moment, see how they're acting, see

00:37:11.080 how they're reacting, see how they're handling it, and then make sweeping judgments, calling

00:37:16.260 them terrible and so on.

00:37:17.480 Because that's not fair.

00:37:19.680 Unless the parent is doing something really, really, as I said, egregious, really harmful

00:37:24.180 and awful, in which case, okay, but barring that, I don't think you can dismiss a parent

00:37:30.520 based on how you see them react in one isolated incident to a child that's misbehaving when

00:37:35.640 you don't know the context, you don't know anything about them.

00:37:39.560 Parenting is really hard.

00:37:40.640 It is.

00:37:41.180 And it's unrelenting.

00:37:42.460 Kids don't give you a break. 0.99

00:37:43.540 They don't take your stress into account, really, especially at a certain age.

00:37:49.500 They're not going to look at you and say, oh, hey, you know, looks like dad's having

00:37:53.460 a tough day.

00:37:54.000 Maybe I'll go easy on him.

00:37:55.660 Kids aren't going to say that.

00:37:57.140 I don't mean to make parenting sound like nonstop misery.

00:37:59.760 It isn't, but it is hard.

00:38:02.260 And so you see a parent out in public not really being Johnny on the spot with the discipline,

00:38:09.880 and you could assume that that's a terrible parent, fine, but maybe it's been a really

00:38:19.180 tough day with that kid or a tough week or a tough year.

00:38:23.260 And the mom on top of that maybe is dealing with problems at work. 1.00

00:38:27.960 Maybe there's a sick family member.

00:38:29.760 Maybe there's financial problems.

00:38:31.240 Maybe she's just taking the child out to spend some time with him, making an effort.

00:38:37.440 The kid's not cooperating.

00:38:39.780 Mom really doesn't want to yell. 1.00

00:38:41.520 She doesn't want to punish. 0.98

00:38:42.420 She feels like she's been doing too much of that already this week and today.

00:38:47.340 So she tries to be patient.

00:38:48.800 She tries to be lenient because she's emotionally worn out, and she feels like she's been coming

00:38:53.980 down too hard on the kid lately.

00:38:55.560 And she feels like patience and lenience right now is the best approach.

00:38:59.400 And so what you interpret as lazy parenting and bad parenting and terrible parenting, maybe

00:39:06.080 it's actually heroic restraint on her part.

00:39:09.020 Maybe this is actually a mother who desperately loves her son and her family and is just trying 0.98

00:39:13.600 as much as she can to do the right thing.

00:39:16.920 And she knows you're watching, and she knows that you're heaping this judgment on her, but

00:39:20.720 she's doing what she thinks is right.

00:39:23.760 I mean, who knows?

00:39:24.720 Maybe that's the case.

00:39:26.680 Maybe it's not.

00:39:27.420 I've just created a scenario out of whole cloth.

00:39:30.820 Who knows? 0.99

00:39:31.660 Maybe, as I said, maybe she really is a terrible parent, neglectful mother, the kid's a snot 0.99

00:39:36.600 nose brat, destined to be a societal leech. 0.98

00:39:39.480 Maybe that's the case. 0.92

00:39:41.360 But I don't know, and you don't know either, and that's the point.

00:39:44.480 So why not extend the woman and her child a little bit of grace and just assume that she's 0.92

00:39:50.740 a good mother doing her best?

00:39:51.840 Why assume the worst in someone that you don't even know?

00:39:56.340 That's my point.

00:39:58.100 And I'm not lecturing you.

00:40:00.440 I do this myself.

00:40:02.300 Even though I am a parent myself, and I know how it is, and this is something parents do

00:40:06.000 to each other, and it's crazy.

00:40:08.020 Because, you know, you as someone who's not a parent, at least you have an excuse that

00:40:11.700 you don't really know how it is because you've never had kids.

00:40:14.320 But as parents, we know how it is, and we've all been in tough spots with our kids, and

00:40:19.180 we've all had kids that have acted out at some point in public, and we've all felt overwhelmed.

00:40:23.400 We've all been through that, all of us.

00:40:25.560 Yet we still will even judge each other when we see parents doing things that we have done

00:40:31.040 and being in situations that we've been in.

00:40:34.240 We'll still judge them.

00:40:35.340 Just the other day, I was out at the store.

00:40:38.460 I was in the parking lot about to pull out of the grocery store.

00:40:40.360 This mother comes out, and she's got her kid by the arm, and you can tell she's furious. 0.89

00:40:46.820 I don't know what happened.

00:40:47.580 Something happened in the store, obviously.

00:40:48.780 She's screaming at the kid, and she puts him in the car, slams the door, walks around,

00:40:55.100 and she's just fuming, right? 1.00

00:40:57.900 And I happened to see this, and for a moment, I thought to myself, oh, that woman needs to 1.00

00:41:04.740 get her act together.

00:41:05.520 This is embarrassing.

00:41:07.980 You don't act like this in public.

00:41:10.360 And it's true that we should refrain from public scenes of that sort, and screaming

00:41:15.800 at your child really is not the right approach.

00:41:18.980 But then I had to stop myself and think, you know, I have no idea.

00:41:25.340 I have no freaking clue what's going on in that woman's life. 1.00

00:41:28.440 I have no idea.

00:41:30.420 I mean, her husband may have just died of cancer.

00:41:32.640 Again, I don't know.

00:41:33.880 It's possible.

00:41:34.520 Probably not, but maybe.

00:41:39.580 All I've seen of this woman, I don't know her name.

00:41:43.120 Don't know anything about her.

00:41:44.620 All I've seen is this one snapshot, this one 60-second clip of her at her absolute worst, 0.79

00:41:51.560 furious at her kid.

00:41:52.960 We've all been furious at our kids before.

00:41:54.600 We all have.

00:41:55.100 And so I happen to see that, just that one glimpse, her angry, her feeling obviously overwhelmed

00:42:00.820 and helpless.

00:42:01.960 And I'm going to presume to make any judgments or assumptions about her at all based on that.

00:42:08.680 So, and so I had to stop myself there.

00:42:11.180 And I just feel like we can choose to cut people slack or not.

00:42:15.640 We can choose to see the worst in them or not.

00:42:18.480 We could choose to give them the benefit of the doubt or not.

00:42:22.680 And that's a choice that we make.

00:42:26.120 And especially when it comes to parents, I just think that sometimes we should stop and

00:42:30.500 say, look, this is not excusing everything, but sometimes we stop and say, listen, maybe

00:42:36.940 this is just a rough time.

00:42:38.300 Maybe it's just a rough day.

00:42:40.300 And this could be a great parent 99.9% of the time.

00:42:44.200 Maybe you caught the 0.1% where they don't really have it together.

00:42:52.340 And I say all of this maybe somewhat selfishly because as a parent myself, I do, I would want

00:42:58.460 people to extend that grace to me if they ever caught me in public in the moment, you know,

00:43:05.060 not reacting exactly how I'm supposed to react, which I have been guilty of in the past, I

00:43:09.240 admit.

00:43:09.480 All right.

00:43:12.100 So we will, I'll leave it there with that sappy note for the holidays.

00:43:17.180 That was my one, that was my, that was a one, that was a glimpse of humanity and generosity

00:43:20.860 from me.

00:43:21.820 So it's a holiday miracle already.

00:43:24.960 It is possible, folks.

00:43:27.160 And thanks everybody for watching, listening.

00:43:29.720 Have a happy Thanksgiving.

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00:44:14.220 It's Thanksgiving, and you know what that means.

00:44:16.400 Pumpkin pie and mashed potatoes and a bunch of insufferable leftist think pieces preparing

00:44:21.000 liberals to suffer the torture of speaking to a single conservative, even once, even one

00:44:26.700 they're related to, even for just a couple of hours.

00:44:30.020 We will examine how liberals talk about talking to us.

00:44:34.080 That and the history of Thanksgiving.

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The Matt Walsh Show - November 27, 2019

Ep. 380 - Rules For Thanksgiving

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