The Matt Walsh Show - December 09, 2019


Ep. 386 - It’s Time for a War on Porn

Topics
banning pornography children exposure damage porn vs. guns slippery slope of anti-porn laws
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Ben Shapiro Walsh Michael Knowles Andrew Kolvet Josh Hammer Kat Kempf Aristotle Godspeed Aquinas Gollum Matt Barr
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Porn should be banned, I argue in a piece I wrote on Friday on The Daily Wire, and it sparked a backlash from conservative critics who called me "nuts" and accused me of being "intolerant" and "nutsty." In this episode, I lay out my case for why porn should be illegal, and address the criticism I've received.

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00:00:00.000 Well, you guys aren't going to believe this, but a bunch of people are mad at me because of some stuff that I said.
00:00:07.420 I know it's kind of shocking to hear.
00:00:11.140 You know, I took a position, I articulated a point of view, and apparently that point of view was unpopular.
00:00:18.680 Who knew?
00:00:19.440 And now a lot of people are angry and yelling at me, and I know, again, this is very shocking to you.
00:00:25.320 I know you hear that and you think, what? No way, Matt. You're such an agreeable and well-liked guy.
00:00:31.660 Everybody always agrees with everything you say.
00:00:34.260 There's no way you get that kind of reaction out of people. I don't believe it.
00:00:37.020 Well, I'm sorry to shatter that image that you have of me, but here we are.
00:00:40.680 So the thing that got me canceled this time, canceled for, by my count, the 13th time since mid-September,
00:00:48.020 is that I argued for banning pornography.
00:00:51.680 I argued, as I have in the past, I believe probably on this very show, that hardcore porn should be illegal.
00:01:00.880 I argued that, in fact, you do not have a God-given natural right to post your sex videos on a public forum,
00:01:08.580 and you don't have a God-given natural right to view them.
00:01:10.720 I argued that both of those things are privileges, and privileges that we should not be granted,
00:01:19.440 because the proliferation of hardcore porn is injurious to the common good,
00:01:24.320 and to be even more specific, it is destroying children.
00:01:26.860 I argued that your privilege to post sex videos on the Internet should not outweigh the need to protect children
00:01:35.020 from the profound and really quite measurable harm that exposure to those videos does to them.
00:01:43.760 So that was my argument, and I expressed it in a piece that I published on The Daily Wire on Friday,
00:01:48.380 and in a series of posts on social media, mostly on Twitter,
00:01:52.640 and it's the argument that sparked, as they say, a backlash,
00:01:56.820 sparked the backlash, with lots and lots of people telling me that
00:02:00.680 I'm not only wrong for holding that view, but I'm psychotic.
00:02:04.560 It's crazy. There's just nothing good that can be said about it at all.
00:02:07.640 Many of those people, by the way, are conservatives, or quote-unquote conservatives, air quotes.
00:02:16.320 Really, they're libertarians who don't know that they're libertarians,
00:02:19.720 and because they don't really know anything about their own ideology.
00:02:23.980 But we'll get back to that. We'll get back to that in a minute.
00:02:25.760 So what I want to do today is lay out my case as clearly as I can,
00:02:29.580 and also address the criticism that I've received.
00:02:33.280 And all I would ask is that you hear me out, okay?
00:02:36.760 Give me a chance to explain my argument, and then decide if you agree or disagree.
00:02:41.560 If your first reaction when I say we should ban porn is to recoil in horror,
00:02:47.680 and to think, well, that's totally insane,
00:02:50.660 then I would ask that you especially, especially you, would just hear me out.
00:02:55.440 And whatever objections you have in your head right now, and I'm sure you have many,
00:03:00.400 I'll probably address them as we continue.
00:03:02.520 And if I don't, then you can always email after the show, and I'll address it tomorrow.
00:03:05.880 But I think I'll probably get to it.
00:03:09.100 So you've got to give me a chance, because I'm trying to be as thorough as I can.
00:03:13.100 I'm going to spend probably the entire show on this today,
00:03:15.440 because, number one, I think it's an interesting topic.
00:03:18.840 There are people complaining on Twitter, saying,
00:03:21.340 it's so annoying that you started this conversation.
00:03:23.880 Who wants to talk about this?
00:03:25.200 Isn't it way more interesting?
00:03:26.700 What else are we going to talk about?
00:03:28.080 Do you want to talk about impeachment some more?
00:03:29.780 Isn't this at least interesting to talk about?
00:03:32.340 It's something different, at least?
00:03:35.140 And I want this show to be my definitive explanation of my position on this topic,
00:03:41.180 which isn't to say that it will be the definitive argument for banning porn.
00:03:46.940 Somebody more intelligent than me is going to have to give the definitive argument,
00:03:50.180 but this will be my definitive argument.
00:03:52.120 This will be as thorough as I can be.
00:03:56.000 Now, why did this come up in the first place?
00:03:59.640 Well, as National Review reported on Friday,
00:04:02.380 a small group of Republican lawmakers sent a letter calling for Attorney General Barr
00:04:08.600 to enforce obscenity laws as a way to fight hardcore pornography.
00:04:13.380 Now, to be clear, what they're requesting is the enforcement of obscenity laws
00:04:18.140 that are already on the books.
00:04:19.400 And we'll get back to that.
00:04:20.100 We'll talk more about that a little bit later on.
00:04:21.660 But they're not calling for new laws to be added to the books.
00:04:25.720 They're saying, we already have these laws.
00:04:28.220 Let's enforce them. 0.79
00:04:30.480 Radical idea, right?
00:04:31.560 Let's actually enforce the laws that are on the books.
00:04:33.580 Now, personally, I would hope that this would be a first step
00:04:36.580 towards a wider-ranging war on hardcore porn,
00:04:40.500 though that's not what the lawmakers are advocating.
00:04:43.280 So I'm taking a more extreme position than they are.
00:04:48.260 Which, again, is probably shocking to you.
00:04:51.220 At the very least, I think this should be the beginning of a conversation
00:04:54.240 about the proliferation of hardcore porn
00:04:56.580 and the government's role in addressing the problem.
00:04:59.240 But this is not a conversation that most people want to have.
00:05:01.800 Now, of course, you would expect those on the political left
00:05:05.780 to react in horror, to resist any restriction or ban on pornography.
00:05:12.440 That's what you expect from them.
00:05:14.200 After all, this is the side that generally supports
00:05:16.400 explicit sex education for kindergartners,
00:05:20.380 child drag queens, drag queen story hour, trans kids, and so on.
00:05:24.980 They are committed to exposing children to all manner of sexual confusion
00:05:29.300 and degeneracy at younger and younger ages.
00:05:33.140 And so you expect them.
00:05:34.620 You know where they're going to stand.
00:05:36.900 The real shame is that so many people on the right now
00:05:40.600 are just as likely to valiantly stand up
00:05:44.600 for the rights of internet pimps and smut peddlers.
00:05:47.280 We live now in a society where the most extreme
00:05:53.360 and depraved forms of pornography
00:05:55.560 are readily accessible to children.
00:06:00.020 It seems to me that if your primary concern
00:06:03.060 when faced with this epidemic
00:06:05.040 is to protect the rights of smut peddlers 0.98
00:06:07.720 and people who want to masturbate to things on the internet,
00:06:12.540 like if that's your primary, if that's the main thing,
00:06:15.040 if that's the main issue that you're focused on
00:06:20.040 when it comes to this topic,
00:06:21.520 then I would suggest that your priorities are out of alignment.
00:06:25.980 And I would also suggest that if you're a conservative
00:06:27.960 and that's your main thing,
00:06:30.560 then you're probably not a conservative at all, actually.
00:06:35.780 Yet, you know, any talk of restriction of pornography
00:06:38.580 is waved off with slogans about limited government
00:06:42.480 and declarations about the ineffectiveness of prohibition
00:06:46.480 and all of that.
00:06:47.860 I agree that government should be limited.
00:06:50.740 I also agree that government can't go around
00:06:52.680 prohibiting everything that the bureaucrats
00:06:54.840 currently comprising it happen to dislike.
00:06:58.360 So I'm on board with that.
00:07:00.300 But I also think there's a role for the government
00:07:02.200 to play in the porn problem,
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00:08:18.020 So my argument for banning slash regulating porn
00:08:21.440 really boils down to two points.
00:08:24.680 These aren't the only points in support of my case,
00:08:27.500 but they are the points that I'm focusing on,
00:08:30.460 and they're the points that I personally find
00:08:32.140 the most persuasive.
00:08:33.640 Maybe there are better points out there.
00:08:35.400 These are the ones that, to me, make the case.
00:08:40.500 Number one, children are being severely damaged
00:08:43.680 by the proliferation of hardcore porn.
00:08:46.160 That's my first argument.
00:08:47.940 Argument number two, more broadly,
00:08:50.640 the proliferation of hardcore porn has, as I said,
00:08:54.420 a detrimental and injurious effect on the common good.
00:08:58.820 It is contrary to the common good to allow this to continue.
00:09:03.180 Now, I'm going to elaborate on both these.
00:09:04.640 Let's start with children.
00:09:05.520 On average, children are first exposed to hardcore pornography
00:09:08.780 at the age of 11, if not sooner.
00:09:12.800 Now, remember how an average works.
00:09:15.500 If the age of first exposure is, on average, 11,
00:09:18.840 that means in order to get that average,
00:09:20.520 there are a whole lot of kids being exposed at 78 or 9.
00:09:23.880 This exposure is not neutral in its impact.
00:09:29.700 It certainly is not positive in its impact.
00:09:31.800 I hope I don't need to explain that.
00:09:34.240 It's also not neutral.
00:09:36.300 Children are damaged in quantifiable ways,
00:09:40.160 affecting their emotional and psychological development,
00:09:43.060 their attitudes towards other people
00:09:45.380 and towards themselves, their behavior,
00:09:47.640 their ability to form healthy sexual relationships
00:09:49.780 in the future.
00:09:51.680 That shouldn't be surprising either.
00:09:53.880 If you think about it, you've got kids prepubescent
00:09:58.780 who have no notion of human sexuality,
00:10:04.740 don't really know what it is.
00:10:06.740 And their first exposure to human sexuality
00:10:12.820 is smut on the internet,
00:10:16.100 is X-rated, whatever disturbing dark thing
00:10:21.460 that they happen to see when they're on it.
00:10:22.800 When they're just at the beginning,
00:10:27.780 before puberty,
00:10:29.200 developing an impression of what sexuality is
00:10:33.820 and growing into the...
00:10:36.660 They're in the formative years.
00:10:39.800 They're beginning their real formative years of adolescence.
00:10:42.460 And it begins with that.
00:10:44.540 So that is the seed planted at the beginning of their real formative years of adolescence.
00:10:51.360 It's not hard to see how that's going to grow into something potentially
00:10:55.660 very troubling.
00:10:59.880 Studies show that children exposed to porn are more likely to become victims of sex abuse.
00:11:03.980 And also that porn may encourage them to become perpetrators of abuse themselves.
00:11:09.780 Children who are exposed to porn, as studies show, are traumatized by it.
00:11:15.660 They suffer real trauma.
00:11:17.360 Now, I know that word trauma has been cheapened by college kids complaining that they were traumatized
00:11:22.600 by a Ben Shapiro speech on campus.
00:11:24.820 I'm not talking about that kind of trauma.
00:11:27.440 I'm talking about real trauma.
00:11:28.660 There is a real thing.
00:11:29.880 There is a thing called someone experiencing trauma.
00:11:32.920 And young kids exposed to this, they're traumatized by it.
00:11:37.320 Porn produces neurological changes in the brain of a child,
00:11:41.440 in the brain of adults as well.
00:11:43.440 We could see this in brain scans.
00:11:46.240 But the difference between the changes in a child and an adult
00:11:49.240 are that a child's brain is still developing and forming.
00:11:53.540 And they're still growing.
00:11:54.700 So those changes could have a more lasting impact.
00:12:00.600 So I think this establishes that porn is widespread, ubiquitous, endemic.
00:12:08.340 Millions of kids are exposed to it very young.
00:12:10.400 None of that is controversial.
00:12:11.780 That's just a fact.
00:12:14.320 And that this exposure is really harming them in tangible and serious and lasting ways.
00:12:20.440 Is there not, at a minimum, at least a reason to consider involving the state
00:12:26.640 in this assault on our children's minds and bodies?
00:12:30.720 Shouldn't we at least talk about it?
00:12:34.400 By the way, for anyone who doubts the harm that porn does to a child,
00:12:39.520 and honestly, I don't know how you, a thinking person, could doubt it,
00:12:43.040 but if you do, I want you to imagine this.
00:12:46.080 Imagine a child wanders into a motel room 0.60
00:12:49.960 where a prostitute brings her clients to engage in their business exchange. 0.79
00:12:59.580 Now, imagine a kid, 11, 10 years old, 0.69
00:13:03.060 in the room, witnessing this happening.
00:13:08.300 Would anyone doubt?
00:13:09.900 I mean, would anyone deny that the child will come away traumatized from that?
00:13:14.440 Would anyone doubt that?
00:13:16.080 Would anyone doubt that that experience,
00:13:20.820 that experience of being in a motel room, watching this happen,
00:13:23.460 will affect him in profound, deep, bad ways
00:13:28.220 that will probably reverberate through his entire life?
00:13:31.820 Now, here's what I ask.
00:13:33.860 What is the difference between a child watching exactly that kind of thing happen
00:13:39.600 through a screen or watching it in person?
00:13:42.580 Now, in this hypothetical, in both scenarios,
00:13:45.900 no one's touching him, no one's interacting with him in any way directly.
00:13:51.180 It's just he's watching something happen.
00:13:52.760 What's the difference?
00:13:53.400 You put a screen there and all of a sudden it doesn't matter?
00:13:56.220 All of a sudden the effect is less?
00:13:59.080 Why would that be the case?
00:14:00.220 Does the screen itself act as a kind of emotional and psychological barrier
00:14:08.140 that protects the child?
00:14:10.900 No, I don't think so.
00:14:14.260 You talk about consenting adults.
00:14:15.920 Consenting adults may well have the right to do what they want with each other
00:14:19.140 in the privacy of their homes,
00:14:20.360 but do they have the right to film it
00:14:23.020 and then publish it on a forum
00:14:24.500 where children in elementary school might easily access it?
00:14:27.920 That's the question.
00:14:29.620 And if you say they do have this right,
00:14:31.900 where does this right originate?
00:14:33.900 Don't just tell me that someone I have a right to do.
00:14:36.020 What do you mean you have a right to do it?
00:14:37.180 Says who? 0.65
00:14:39.020 Where does this right originate?
00:14:40.860 Does it originate from God?
00:14:42.020 Our, in this country,
00:14:48.160 if you go back to the founding of this country,
00:14:51.920 our philosophical notion of rights
00:14:55.700 is not that it's an arbitrary thing that the government gives you,
00:14:58.260 it's that it's inherent, it's intrinsic to your human nature,
00:15:01.960 instilled in us by God.
00:15:03.140 So I ask you, did God instill in all humans
00:15:05.880 the inalienable and sacred right
00:15:07.820 to publish footage of their orgies on the internet
00:15:09.900 for everyone to see?
00:15:12.020 If God didn't, then from where
00:15:14.720 and what does this right spring?
00:15:18.180 Perhaps we should consider the possibility
00:15:19.800 that there is no such right.
00:15:22.280 You don't have that right.
00:15:24.200 It is, again, a privilege
00:15:25.500 that society can either choose to grant or not.
00:15:30.020 The question is whether the privilege of adults
00:15:32.260 to post their sexual escapades online
00:15:34.400 is more important than the privilege of children
00:15:38.720 to be protected
00:15:39.900 from the psychological and emotional harm
00:15:43.920 that being exposed to it causes.
00:15:48.880 Here's the point.
00:15:50.860 No reasonable person can deny
00:15:52.680 that there's a problem here
00:15:53.920 and not a small problem.
00:15:56.780 This stuff is poisoning our kids.
00:15:58.820 That's not up for debate.
00:15:59.840 That's not my opinion.
00:16:00.680 It's a fact.
00:16:02.820 It's a reality.
00:16:04.760 Now, once you acknowledge that reality,
00:16:07.380 must you not at least take seriously
00:16:10.260 the notion that the state may have a role here?
00:16:14.900 There are plenty of times
00:16:16.260 when wielding the massive hammer of the state
00:16:18.920 is inappropriate, wrong,
00:16:22.000 out of proportion, unjust.
00:16:24.100 The tool is abused very often.
00:16:27.140 I'll be the first to say that.
00:16:29.380 But doesn't the collective corruption
00:16:31.220 of entire generations of children
00:16:33.020 perhaps warrant bringing down the hammer,
00:16:36.480 as it were?
00:16:38.280 Isn't this a time when justice calls for that step,
00:16:42.320 potentially?
00:16:44.200 Now, as to my second point,
00:16:45.560 the common good,
00:16:46.180 I believe the whole reason the government exists,
00:16:48.400 and this is an important point
00:16:50.760 we have to establish to begin with,
00:16:53.760 I think when we start talking about
00:16:55.820 what we think the government should do
00:16:57.600 and not do,
00:16:59.040 we can't really have
00:17:00.820 an intelligent conversation
00:17:02.120 or even an intelligible conversation
00:17:04.340 about that
00:17:04.940 unless everyone involved in the conversation
00:17:07.260 has some idea
00:17:08.820 of what they think the government is
00:17:11.400 and why it fundamentally exists.
00:17:15.560 I would say,
00:17:16.760 and not just me, by the way,
00:17:18.400 but I'm going to agree
00:17:20.420 with like Aristotle and Aquinas
00:17:22.080 and those guys
00:17:22.820 and say that the government exists
00:17:24.040 to protect and advance the common good.
00:17:26.520 This should not be controversial.
00:17:28.660 But these days,
00:17:29.740 a lot of people,
00:17:31.560 especially conservatives,
00:17:33.100 are apt to say,
00:17:33.980 no, no, that's not it.
00:17:35.140 Government exists to protect rights
00:17:36.900 because the common good is subjective
00:17:40.140 and can be abused.
00:17:42.040 And who decides what's good?
00:17:43.520 No, no, no.
00:17:44.060 Rights are the point. 0.99
00:17:46.060 I think this kind of a response
00:17:47.520 of a response
00:17:48.180 is shallow,
00:17:49.400 to be honest with you.
00:17:50.680 And I blame many things,
00:17:52.840 but among them,
00:17:53.580 the influence of libertarianism.
00:17:55.940 I think libertarianism
00:17:57.400 has helped to create
00:17:58.720 a bunch of conservatives
00:17:59.520 who think that rights
00:18:00.780 can be protected
00:18:01.640 apart from any conception
00:18:03.420 of the good.
00:18:05.120 And I was told this
00:18:06.220 many times over the weekend
00:18:07.460 by conservatives
00:18:08.260 that rights and what is good
00:18:11.060 are two completely different things
00:18:12.660 that have no relationship
00:18:14.060 with each other.
00:18:14.900 And the government's only concern
00:18:17.580 is with rights.
00:18:18.660 Who cares what's good?
00:18:21.380 This isn't just libertarianism.
00:18:23.480 This is like radical libertarianism.
00:18:26.780 This has nothing to do
00:18:28.360 with conservatism, historically.
00:18:32.400 A concept like rights
00:18:34.100 in a vacuum
00:18:34.820 is, of course,
00:18:36.100 far more vague
00:18:37.180 and carries with it
00:18:38.120 far more capacity for abuse
00:18:39.820 than a concept like good.
00:18:41.300 Why do you think we spend
00:18:42.960 all of our time
00:18:43.700 in this country
00:18:44.180 arguing over
00:18:45.220 who has a right to what
00:18:47.500 and whose rights
00:18:48.260 take precedent
00:18:49.020 and all of that?
00:18:50.940 Nobody knows
00:18:51.520 what the hell a right even is.
00:18:53.020 So all these people saying,
00:18:53.760 I don't know,
00:18:54.120 forget about good,
00:18:55.400 that's vague.
00:18:55.960 No, it's about rights.
00:18:56.860 Well, what's a right?
00:18:57.940 Do you even know what it is?
00:18:58.720 Can you define it?
00:19:01.160 If we get 100 Americans
00:19:02.500 into a room,
00:19:03.700 could we find agreement
00:19:04.880 between any two of them
00:19:06.240 about what our rights
00:19:07.180 actually are?
00:19:08.000 Meanwhile,
00:19:12.280 you know,
00:19:12.480 in this country,
00:19:13.020 we've discovered 0.97
00:19:13.680 the right to murder children 0.72
00:19:15.360 and 60 million
00:19:16.340 have been killed
00:19:17.380 under the banner of rights.
00:19:19.260 So you talk about
00:19:20.180 the potential for abuse
00:19:21.400 if we say that the government
00:19:22.400 is there to protect
00:19:23.780 and advance the common good.
00:19:24.900 What about the potential
00:19:25.660 for abuse
00:19:26.180 if we put the good aside
00:19:28.100 and just say
00:19:29.020 it's all about rights?
00:19:30.680 60 million humans
00:19:32.000 have been killed
00:19:32.680 from that abuse.
00:19:35.120 But
00:19:38.240 to the extent
00:19:40.300 that we're talking about
00:19:41.500 actual rights,
00:19:42.740 God-given rights,
00:19:43.820 inherent human rights,
00:19:44.920 then the whole reason
00:19:46.140 why those rights
00:19:47.040 should be protected
00:19:47.840 is that it is good.
00:19:49.360 So when you say something like
00:19:50.820 we must protect rights,
00:19:52.840 I ask a follow-up,
00:19:54.720 a very fair follow-up,
00:19:55.900 which is
00:19:56.320 why?
00:19:58.080 Who cares?
00:19:59.360 Don't just insist
00:20:00.440 that the government
00:20:00.980 should protect rights.
00:20:01.780 That's not the end
00:20:05.620 of the discussion
00:20:06.240 because now I'm going to say
00:20:08.080 why?
00:20:09.660 Why should it?
00:20:10.660 Who cares about rights?
00:20:11.500 Why does it matter?
00:20:14.800 And your response
00:20:15.800 eventually,
00:20:16.860 we might go through
00:20:17.600 a few back and forths,
00:20:18.720 but eventually
00:20:19.440 your response
00:20:20.240 is going to be
00:20:21.100 at bottom.
00:20:23.180 Well,
00:20:23.720 because it's good.
00:20:25.260 It's the right thing to do.
00:20:28.240 That's why.
00:20:28.880 Because,
00:20:32.080 in effect,
00:20:32.900 it's good for society.
00:20:34.640 It's good for us.
00:20:35.940 It's good for us
00:20:36.640 as individuals
00:20:37.320 and as a country
00:20:40.100 to have our rights protected.
00:20:43.960 What you're saying is
00:20:45.200 that protecting rights
00:20:46.560 serves the common good,
00:20:48.400 which means
00:20:49.180 that the common good
00:20:50.080 is more fundamental,
00:20:51.560 more foundational.
00:20:52.800 It lies deeper down,
00:20:54.520 closer to the root.
00:20:55.500 when I say
00:20:59.380 the government exists
00:21:00.060 for the common good,
00:21:01.060 I'm not saying
00:21:01.880 that as a replacement
00:21:03.640 of or in contradiction
00:21:04.960 to the theory
00:21:05.780 that it exists
00:21:06.320 to protect rights.
00:21:07.060 I'm saying that rights,
00:21:08.160 real human rights,
00:21:09.240 serve the common good.
00:21:12.840 I can't believe
00:21:13.620 I have to even explain this,
00:21:14.660 but like I said,
00:21:15.340 over the weekend,
00:21:15.740 so many conservatives
00:21:16.680 were insisting
00:21:18.280 that the government
00:21:19.000 should not protect
00:21:20.260 the common good.
00:21:22.100 This is,
00:21:22.520 these are conservatives
00:21:24.860 and this is what
00:21:25.420 conservatives have done
00:21:26.340 in the last few decades.
00:21:28.200 They've taken
00:21:28.780 their own intellectual history
00:21:29.980 and just thrown it
00:21:31.340 in the wood chipper
00:21:32.260 without even realizing
00:21:33.680 they're doing it.
00:21:36.080 It should be shocking
00:21:37.540 that any conservative
00:21:39.040 would say
00:21:40.160 that the government
00:21:40.960 shouldn't protect
00:21:41.700 the common good,
00:21:42.220 but that's what they said.
00:21:43.560 In fact,
00:21:43.760 I had people saying,
00:21:44.240 oh, that's communist.
00:21:45.660 That's communist.
00:21:46.800 Common good is about common.
00:21:48.960 This is what happens.
00:21:49.940 See, this is what happens
00:21:51.440 when people,
00:21:52.140 they choose
00:21:52.720 a political ideology
00:21:53.680 without reading any books.
00:21:55.460 They have no idea.
00:21:58.940 And now,
00:21:59.620 all of a sudden,
00:22:00.260 you know,
00:22:00.520 arguments made by
00:22:01.580 Aquinas and Aristotle
00:22:02.880 are communist.
00:22:05.260 Good God. 0.99
00:22:08.340 The point with hardcore porn
00:22:09.600 is that it is grievously harmful
00:22:11.260 to the good.
00:22:12.180 It has an egregiously
00:22:13.200 negative effect
00:22:14.280 on the society.
00:22:15.020 There is literally
00:22:15.580 nothing at all good
00:22:16.780 that comes of it,
00:22:17.600 ever.
00:22:18.020 Not one good thing
00:22:19.280 has ever come of it
00:22:20.480 and ever could come of it.
00:22:23.320 It only harms.
00:22:24.420 It only destroys.
00:22:25.060 It only causes problems.
00:22:25.940 It only hurts people.
00:22:26.840 Really hurts them.
00:22:28.480 Hurts those involved.
00:22:29.480 Hurts those exposed.
00:22:30.480 Hurts those who are not 1.00
00:22:31.320 involved or exposed,
00:22:32.520 but are in the families
00:22:33.740 of those who are involved
00:22:35.080 or are exposed.
00:22:38.260 It's bad for society.
00:22:39.480 It's only bad.
00:22:40.340 It's never good.
00:22:41.060 It's never neutral.
00:22:41.920 It harms marriages.
00:22:42.800 Destroys marriages.
00:22:43.620 Destroys families.
00:22:44.440 Destroys children.
00:22:46.280 None of these are
00:22:46.920 bald assertions on my part.
00:22:48.140 This is all backed
00:22:48.760 by extensive research.
00:22:49.780 You can just go
00:22:50.180 and look at it yourself.
00:22:51.520 And I would encourage
00:22:52.100 you to do that.
00:22:54.520 So when you have something
00:22:55.740 that is very bad,
00:22:57.340 has a very bad effect
00:22:59.540 on people,
00:23:00.480 has nothing to recommend it,
00:23:02.960 has no positive application
00:23:04.760 at all,
00:23:06.020 nothing good about it,
00:23:08.980 then you have something
00:23:10.920 that I would argue
00:23:12.180 at a minimum
00:23:13.640 is a candidate
00:23:15.560 for regulation,
00:23:17.280 restriction,
00:23:17.640 prohibition.
00:23:23.560 This is the argument,
00:23:24.620 by the way,
00:23:25.440 in favor of making stuff
00:23:26.860 or keeping stuff
00:23:27.660 like heroin,
00:23:28.440 for example,
00:23:29.020 illegal.
00:23:30.760 Some people think
00:23:31.660 that heroin should be legal
00:23:32.740 because they say,
00:23:35.160 well,
00:23:35.620 you know,
00:23:35.980 everyone who uses it
00:23:37.240 for the most part
00:23:37.820 consents to it.
00:23:39.100 It's their choice.
00:23:42.220 Let them do it
00:23:42.960 if they want.
00:23:44.460 Okay,
00:23:44.760 and that's true
00:23:45.300 for the most part.
00:23:45.960 But heroin
00:23:47.000 is so terrible,
00:23:50.260 has such a detrimental
00:23:51.080 effect on people
00:23:51.860 and society,
00:23:52.760 and is so devoid
00:23:54.040 of anything positive
00:23:55.000 or redeeming
00:23:55.800 that I ask,
00:23:57.400 why the hell
00:23:57.980 should we make it legal?
00:24:00.460 I mean,
00:24:01.100 this seems like
00:24:01.760 the very definition
00:24:02.920 of something
00:24:03.440 that shouldn't be legal.
00:24:05.180 It will not help society
00:24:07.180 in any conceivable way
00:24:09.580 for it to be legal.
00:24:12.600 This is something
00:24:13.480 that cannot help anyone.
00:24:15.860 There is nothing good
00:24:16.960 that comes of it.
00:24:19.240 Not everything
00:24:20.080 is about consent
00:24:20.920 all the time.
00:24:21.720 There are also factors
00:24:22.600 like good versus evil,
00:24:24.020 right versus wrong.
00:24:25.680 These things also
00:24:26.760 must be weighed
00:24:27.640 when we make laws.
00:24:28.800 We have to take
00:24:33.200 that into account.
00:24:35.180 Nobody has a God-given
00:24:36.420 right to heroin,
00:24:37.860 and heroin
00:24:38.780 is a noxious poison
00:24:39.940 that destroys community.
00:24:41.140 Thus,
00:24:42.000 why not make it illegal?
00:24:44.260 I'd say the same thing
00:24:45.360 about porn.
00:24:49.300 So,
00:24:49.840 to review, 0.94
00:24:50.700 porn is toxic
00:24:51.420 to children, 0.96
00:24:52.140 toxic to families,
00:24:53.240 toxic to marriages,
00:24:54.320 toxic to society,
00:24:55.460 has no redeeming qualities
00:24:56.720 whatsoever,
00:24:57.920 and therefore,
00:24:58.680 it should be banned.
00:24:59.160 In a nutshell.
00:25:00.360 That's my argument.
00:25:03.440 So,
00:25:03.920 I want to go through
00:25:04.380 some of the objections
00:25:05.120 to this argument.
00:25:09.200 First objection.
00:25:10.000 These are just
00:25:10.520 the most common things
00:25:11.380 I've heard.
00:25:12.460 Maybe anticipating
00:25:13.520 some of the things
00:25:14.060 you're thinking right now.
00:25:16.040 First objection.
00:25:17.600 This is crazy. 1.00
00:25:18.560 You're insane. 1.00
00:25:19.100 You're an idiot. 1.00
00:25:19.800 You should go jump off a cliff. 1.00
00:25:21.520 I don't mean to pick 0.60
00:25:22.380 low-hanging fruit here,
00:25:23.420 but this is basically
00:25:24.400 the counter-argument
00:25:25.280 that I've gotten
00:25:25.880 from 99% maybe
00:25:28.840 of everybody
00:25:30.040 that I've heard from.
00:25:32.120 So,
00:25:32.460 I guess I have to
00:25:33.480 address it.
00:25:34.720 And I bring it up
00:25:35.360 only to make
00:25:35.820 one point here.
00:25:37.260 If you're a conservative,
00:25:38.840 you should not be
00:25:40.400 shocked and scandalized
00:25:41.520 by the argument 0.61
00:25:42.200 that hardcore porn
00:25:43.100 is not a human right
00:25:44.160 and should be
00:25:44.780 regulated or banned.
00:25:46.420 I'm not saying
00:25:47.140 you have to agree.
00:25:48.760 I'm not saying
00:25:49.440 we have to be
00:25:49.720 on the same page with it.
00:25:50.560 I'm just saying
00:25:50.940 that the argument
00:25:51.600 I'm making here
00:25:52.300 is an argument
00:25:52.820 that every conservative
00:25:54.200 50 years ago
00:25:55.620 would have at least
00:25:56.960 taken seriously.
00:25:59.580 Every single one.
00:26:02.180 If you recoil in horror
00:26:03.740 at the very thought
00:26:04.640 of regulating
00:26:06.840 or banning porn,
00:26:07.620 it's because you have
00:26:08.340 so totally accepted
00:26:09.800 the left's premise
00:26:10.780 on pornography
00:26:11.740 and probably on
00:26:12.900 so many other issues
00:26:13.740 as well.
00:26:15.400 Not just pornography.
00:26:16.660 You have
00:26:17.600 hook, line, and sinker.
00:26:20.280 You have accepted
00:26:21.540 the left's cultural arguments
00:26:22.920 and you don't even know it.
00:26:26.360 You are looking
00:26:27.320 and I don't mean this as
00:26:28.780 oh, you're acting
00:26:29.260 like a leftist
00:26:29.860 like some empty insult.
00:26:32.140 I mean it literally.
00:26:33.360 You are seeing the world
00:26:34.540 through the eyes
00:26:35.440 of a leftist
00:26:36.000 and you don't even know it.
00:26:42.880 And that's the case
00:26:44.600 if a classic
00:26:45.560 conservative argument
00:26:46.600 about obscenity
00:26:47.480 scandalizes
00:26:48.220 and shocks you.
00:26:50.820 It's not just
00:26:51.620 that conservatives
00:26:52.140 have abandoned
00:26:52.780 their own positions.
00:26:53.560 it's that now conservatives
00:26:55.180 are actually
00:26:57.380 offended
00:26:58.540 by conservative
00:27:00.380 positions on things.
00:27:02.760 That's how thoroughly
00:27:03.820 the left has won.
00:27:05.000 The left has won
00:27:05.880 so thoroughly
00:27:06.700 that
00:27:07.840 like I said
00:27:09.520 on common good
00:27:10.240 I was talking
00:27:10.580 about common good
00:27:11.180 someone told me
00:27:12.140 that the idea
00:27:13.440 of the common good
00:27:14.060 is jargon.
00:27:15.360 This is a conservative.
00:27:16.560 So it's just jargon.
00:27:19.080 The very concept
00:27:20.260 of good
00:27:21.000 is now jargon.
00:27:23.640 This is relativism.
00:27:24.960 This is nihilism
00:27:25.740 and relativism
00:27:26.360 and it has infiltrated
00:27:27.680 conservatism
00:27:28.360 in a major way.
00:27:30.460 When conservatives
00:27:31.360 decided
00:27:31.860 that government
00:27:33.280 should not be used
00:27:34.360 to advance the good
00:27:35.300 when that happened
00:27:38.140 and it wasn't
00:27:40.000 at one point
00:27:40.840 that it happened
00:27:41.340 but over the course
00:27:42.060 of decades
00:27:43.000 but that is
00:27:46.240 when conservatism
00:27:47.140 became limp
00:27:48.020 shallow
00:27:48.500 and ineffectual
00:27:49.380 also divorcing
00:27:51.260 itself from
00:27:51.800 its own
00:27:52.100 intellectual history
00:27:52.940 and that is
00:27:54.700 why the left
00:27:55.180 always wins
00:27:55.700 because the right
00:27:56.380 has abdicated
00:27:57.320 has run away
00:27:58.520 has surrendered.
00:28:00.880 My friend
00:28:01.720 Josh Hammer
00:28:02.360 who also works
00:28:02.940 at Daily Wire
00:28:03.880 writes great
00:28:04.860 pieces every day.
00:28:06.200 He made the point
00:28:07.160 last night
00:28:07.680 that the right
00:28:09.500 has almost
00:28:09.940 entirely abandoned
00:28:11.080 moral arguments
00:28:12.280 and arguments
00:28:13.100 rooted in justice.
00:28:15.040 The right
00:28:15.740 has almost
00:28:16.080 completely stopped
00:28:16.920 making those arguments
00:28:17.880 and ceded
00:28:18.480 all of that
00:28:19.180 to the left.
00:28:20.280 The left
00:28:20.800 makes those arguments
00:28:21.500 all the time
00:28:22.120 and they always win.
00:28:24.700 They always win
00:28:25.160 because nobody
00:28:25.620 opposes them.
00:28:27.040 They're just running
00:28:27.660 up and down
00:28:28.120 the football field
00:28:28.960 scoring touchdowns
00:28:30.160 and there's no defense
00:28:31.000 on the field
00:28:31.380 to stop them.
00:28:34.660 They say
00:28:35.540 we should do
00:28:36.460 this or that
00:28:37.360 because it's right
00:28:38.500 and it's just
00:28:39.460 and these weak
00:28:41.180 emasculated conservatives
00:28:42.380 are sitting off
00:28:43.140 in a corner
00:28:43.500 going oh
00:28:44.420 we don't want
00:28:44.780 to legislate morality
00:28:45.860 so we're not
00:28:47.000 going to chime
00:28:47.420 in here.
00:28:47.840 Hey guys
00:28:48.140 let's not
00:28:48.540 legislate morality.
00:28:49.820 No we don't
00:28:50.120 want to do that.
00:28:50.660 That's wrong.
00:28:51.400 We shouldn't do that.
00:28:53.640 And then they try
00:28:54.340 to make all their
00:28:54.800 arguments based
00:28:55.400 on economy
00:28:56.200 or something
00:28:57.480 like that
00:28:58.200 or even worse
00:28:58.840 based on rights
00:29:00.280 divorced from the good
00:29:01.540 and they lose 0.99
00:29:03.100 every damned time 0.99
00:29:04.460 because their arguments 0.99
00:29:05.580 are weak
00:29:06.200 and timid
00:29:06.760 and toothless
00:29:07.400 and grounded
00:29:08.260 in nothing.
00:29:09.900 If you've noticed
00:29:10.880 that you're a conservative
00:29:11.660 and you always lose
00:29:12.780 every argument
00:29:13.600 this is why
00:29:15.700 because your arguments
00:29:19.140 are terrible
00:29:20.140 and have no grounding.
00:29:28.080 Okay so that's
00:29:28.780 the first objection.
00:29:29.640 Objection number two.
00:29:30.240 In fact okay
00:29:30.740 let's go to the next objection
00:29:31.740 I just mentioned it
00:29:32.540 legislate morality.
00:29:33.600 Oh we shouldn't
00:29:33.980 legislate morality.
00:29:34.980 We now
00:29:35.360 I keep going back to this
00:29:36.720 but I don't mean
00:29:37.540 to harp on it
00:29:37.960 but just
00:29:38.460 the fact
00:29:40.720 that conservatives
00:29:41.820 are now saying
00:29:43.180 don't legislate morality 1.00
00:29:44.560 this dumb 1.00
00:29:45.880 this stupid 1.00
00:29:46.920 bumper sticker slogan 1.00
00:29:48.660 that you hear
00:29:50.020 from conservatives now
00:29:51.280 I mean
00:29:53.100 it is so depressing.
00:29:55.240 Don't legislate
00:29:55.680 of course we legislate morality.
00:29:57.620 What are you talking about?
00:29:59.460 Of course we do.
00:30:01.680 Everything
00:30:02.240 that is illegal
00:30:03.680 is illegal
00:30:05.560 because
00:30:06.180 we have decided
00:30:07.600 that it's wrong.
00:30:09.920 So
00:30:10.100 every law we make
00:30:11.880 every single
00:30:13.360 law we make
00:30:14.500 is based on
00:30:16.240 a moral conception.
00:30:18.280 We can be wrong.
00:30:19.500 Okay
00:30:19.660 we have decided
00:30:20.340 in this society
00:30:21.120 that it would be
00:30:22.460 that it's good
00:30:23.720 in fact that
00:30:24.700 it would be evil
00:30:25.580 to stop women 1.00
00:30:26.380 from killing their babies
00:30:27.120 and thus it is legal 1.00
00:30:28.040 for them to kill the babies. 0.95
00:30:29.100 So we can be wrong 0.99
00:30:30.320 with our moral conceptions
00:30:31.240 but what I'm
00:30:32.100 establishing here
00:30:33.440 is that there is
00:30:34.880 no such thing
00:30:35.860 as not legislating morality.
00:30:37.740 That is a thing
00:30:38.300 that doesn't exist
00:30:39.220 ever anywhere.
00:30:42.500 If a thing
00:30:43.520 is illegal
00:30:44.320 it is because
00:30:45.460 we have decided
00:30:46.540 or the government
00:30:47.140 has decided
00:30:47.620 that it's wrong.
00:30:49.660 If something
00:30:50.220 is not just wrong
00:30:52.640 but evil
00:30:53.120 morally evil
00:30:53.960 if something
00:30:54.900 is not morally evil
00:30:56.020 then it shouldn't be illegal.
00:30:57.820 Simple as that.
00:30:59.720 There is no
00:31:00.880 morally good thing
00:31:02.520 that should ever be
00:31:03.780 illegal.
00:31:05.900 Now
00:31:06.340 there are
00:31:07.340 morally evil things
00:31:08.860 that shouldn't
00:31:09.440 necessarily be
00:31:10.480 illegal
00:31:11.380 because you have
00:31:13.240 to take into consideration
00:31:14.340 many different factors
00:31:15.300 like how do you enforce it?
00:31:16.700 What would that entail?
00:31:18.340 Degrees of things.
00:31:20.020 Who's effective?
00:31:20.920 You do weigh
00:31:22.160 all of these things
00:31:23.080 but my point is
00:31:24.880 the only reason
00:31:26.340 why anything
00:31:27.500 is ever a candidate
00:31:29.100 for being illegal
00:31:30.180 is that it's evil.
00:31:31.100 according to
00:31:34.160 at least
00:31:34.620 the people in power.
00:31:38.020 So this
00:31:38.740 don't legislate
00:31:39.460 morality thing
00:31:40.000 I just wish
00:31:40.920 everyone would
00:31:41.440 stop saying that
00:31:42.080 because when you
00:31:42.740 say that
00:31:43.180 you reveal
00:31:43.780 that you have
00:31:44.660 no idea
00:31:45.680 why laws
00:31:46.640 even exist
00:31:47.560 and yet
00:31:48.800 you have opinions
00:31:49.420 about laws.
00:31:54.040 And I know
00:31:54.620 the response
00:31:55.000 oh no
00:31:55.480 it's not about evil
00:31:56.220 it's about
00:31:56.660 things that harm
00:31:58.420 others
00:31:58.740 should be illegal.
00:32:00.340 Yes
00:32:00.580 but why
00:32:01.420 should things
00:32:01.940 that harm
00:32:02.320 others
00:32:02.560 be illegal?
00:32:03.380 Because it's
00:32:04.080 wrong to harm
00:32:04.800 others.
00:32:05.640 If it wasn't
00:32:06.420 wrong to harm
00:32:06.920 others
00:32:07.200 then it
00:32:07.440 shouldn't
00:32:07.560 be illegal.
00:32:11.260 Objection
00:32:11.740 number three
00:32:12.140 porn is a
00:32:12.840 consensual act
00:32:13.700 between adults.
00:32:15.920 Well
00:32:16.400 I've already
00:32:19.060 addressed this
00:32:19.760 it's not an act
00:32:20.480 between adults
00:32:21.040 it's an act
00:32:21.560 that adults
00:32:22.020 partake in
00:32:22.820 and then post
00:32:23.760 on a public
00:32:24.740 forum where kids
00:32:25.500 can easily
00:32:25.940 access it.
00:32:26.520 So this
00:32:27.880 idea that
00:32:28.220 it's consensual
00:32:28.900 and private
00:32:29.480 it's not.
00:32:32.700 If you do
00:32:33.960 it in your
00:32:34.240 house and
00:32:34.900 that's it
00:32:35.440 then yeah
00:32:35.820 that's consensual
00:32:37.180 it's private
00:32:37.720 there's nothing
00:32:39.020 else to be
00:32:39.340 said about it.
00:32:41.180 But when you
00:32:42.060 take the step
00:32:42.900 of recording
00:32:43.940 it and then
00:32:45.140 putting it on
00:32:45.740 the internet
00:32:46.160 it is not
00:32:47.940 private anymore
00:32:48.640 and it's not
00:32:53.720 you are
00:32:54.620 involving now
00:32:55.460 potentially
00:32:57.120 children
00:32:57.560 who can
00:32:58.040 access it.
00:32:59.740 Also
00:33:00.080 how do you
00:33:01.000 know that
00:33:01.420 porn itself
00:33:02.100 is indeed
00:33:02.780 an act
00:33:03.180 between
00:33:03.540 consenting
00:33:04.120 adults
00:33:04.460 anyway?
00:33:05.640 You don't.
00:33:06.740 The link
00:33:07.120 between the
00:33:07.560 sex trafficking
00:33:08.120 industry and 0.79
00:33:08.860 porn is well
00:33:09.460 established. 0.92
00:33:11.000 The porn
00:33:11.400 viewer may
00:33:12.060 assume
00:33:12.800 that the
00:33:13.740 figures on
00:33:14.220 the screen
00:33:14.560 are acting
00:33:15.300 consensually
00:33:15.780 but the fact
00:33:16.200 is at least
00:33:16.860 some of the
00:33:17.180 time they're
00:33:17.960 not.
00:33:19.300 The porn
00:33:20.060 viewer may
00:33:20.520 also assume
00:33:21.200 that the
00:33:21.940 figures on
00:33:22.520 the screen
00:33:22.860 are adults
00:33:23.440 but many
00:33:24.020 times they're
00:33:24.780 not.
00:33:26.220 The viewer
00:33:26.580 simply has
00:33:27.100 no way
00:33:27.600 of knowing
00:33:28.040 whether he's
00:33:28.560 watching the 0.83
00:33:29.200 rape of a 0.98
00:33:30.120 trafficked 0.96
00:33:30.520 woman or
00:33:31.600 the abuse
00:33:32.140 of a
00:33:32.380 minor.
00:33:33.260 He could
00:33:33.860 be.
00:33:34.680 He doesn't
00:33:35.100 know.
00:33:36.680 And part
00:33:37.460 of the
00:33:37.580 problem is
00:33:37.940 he doesn't
00:33:38.160 really care.
00:33:39.800 See, he's
00:33:40.500 willing to
00:33:40.880 take that
00:33:41.240 risk as
00:33:43.200 long as he
00:33:43.520 gets his
00:33:43.840 pleasure out
00:33:44.340 of it.
00:33:45.400 So he's
00:33:45.920 looking to
00:33:46.160 get pleasure
00:33:46.600 out of
00:33:47.080 seeing this
00:33:47.580 thing on
00:33:47.880 the internet
00:33:48.220 and he
00:33:49.400 knows in
00:33:49.860 the back
00:33:50.060 of his
00:33:50.240 mind that
00:33:50.700 this woman
00:33:51.560 could be 0.96
00:33:51.840 drugged,
00:33:53.560 this person
00:33:54.360 could be a
00:33:55.120 minor, I
00:33:55.560 don't know.
00:33:57.100 But the
00:33:57.560 most important
00:33:57.900 thing for me
00:33:58.360 right now is
00:33:58.920 to get what
00:33:59.500 I want out
00:33:59.920 of it.
00:34:00.940 And so it
00:34:01.220 has this
00:34:01.520 desensitizing
00:34:02.220 effect on
00:34:02.700 the viewer
00:34:03.020 on top of
00:34:03.620 all the
00:34:03.820 other problems
00:34:04.320 where they
00:34:05.640 get used to
00:34:06.440 seeing other
00:34:07.220 people as
00:34:08.000 objects that
00:34:08.880 exist purely
00:34:10.040 for their own
00:34:10.700 enjoyment and
00:34:11.400 no other
00:34:11.680 reason.
00:34:15.880 Objection
00:34:16.360 four we're
00:34:16.760 on now.
00:34:19.140 This maybe I
00:34:19.800 should have
00:34:20.000 done number
00:34:20.320 one because
00:34:20.700 this is the
00:34:21.060 main, maybe
00:34:21.440 one of the
00:34:22.140 main things
00:34:22.500 I hear.
00:34:23.080 It's, well, we
00:34:23.780 don't need the
00:34:24.140 government to
00:34:24.640 solve this, this
00:34:25.280 is up to the
00:34:25.820 parents.
00:34:27.460 And oh, you
00:34:28.020 just want the
00:34:28.440 government to
00:34:28.900 ban it or
00:34:29.380 regulate it
00:34:29.860 because you're
00:34:30.780 a bad parent.
00:34:33.060 I don't know
00:34:33.520 how many people
00:34:33.900 told me this
00:34:34.420 weekend that if
00:34:36.000 you simply put
00:34:36.500 parental locks on
00:34:37.480 your computer,
00:34:38.200 you won't have
00:34:38.520 to worry about
00:34:38.980 it.
00:34:40.080 Now, that
00:34:40.780 would have been
00:34:41.060 a great argument
00:34:42.020 in 1996.
00:34:44.940 If we were
00:34:45.460 living in 1996,
00:34:46.660 if we just went
00:34:47.620 through a time
00:34:48.100 warp, through
00:34:48.480 some sort of
00:34:49.140 wormhole, and
00:34:49.820 we're living in
00:34:50.200 1996 again,
00:34:51.840 then yeah,
00:34:52.580 pretty much put
00:34:53.220 a parental lock
00:34:54.760 on your computer
00:34:55.320 and probably the
00:34:57.200 kid won't be
00:34:58.280 able to access it.
00:34:59.600 But I don't
00:35:00.620 think we're in,
00:35:01.120 I'm pretty sure
00:35:01.640 we're living in
00:35:02.040 2019 America
00:35:03.120 where, in fact,
00:35:05.960 the situation
00:35:06.320 now is that
00:35:07.080 parents cannot
00:35:07.760 even begin to
00:35:08.880 protect their
00:35:09.380 children or can
00:35:10.460 barely begin.
00:35:11.680 I mean, they
00:35:12.020 can, it does
00:35:12.860 matter.
00:35:13.520 So it is a
00:35:14.320 step that should
00:35:14.780 be taken, don't
00:35:15.320 get me wrong.
00:35:16.380 But parents can
00:35:17.660 barely begin to
00:35:19.220 protect their
00:35:20.020 children from
00:35:20.440 porn simply
00:35:21.340 by locking
00:35:21.860 down their
00:35:22.300 family computer,
00:35:24.140 putting locks
00:35:24.660 on the phone,
00:35:25.400 or not giving
00:35:26.420 the kid a phone
00:35:26.960 in the first
00:35:27.300 place, which I
00:35:28.320 highly recommend.
00:35:29.880 My kids don't
00:35:30.460 have phones.
00:35:33.820 But porn is
00:35:34.800 so pervasive
00:35:35.420 now, so
00:35:35.980 widespread, that
00:35:37.200 a parent cannot
00:35:38.020 possibly shield
00:35:39.160 their kid from
00:35:39.800 it permanently.
00:35:40.780 It only takes
00:35:42.740 one friend
00:35:44.080 with a phone,
00:35:45.800 one friend
00:35:46.820 with a laptop,
00:35:47.960 one unsupervised
00:35:49.080 moment on a
00:35:49.700 computer or a
00:35:50.380 laptop at school.
00:35:51.300 You don't know
00:35:51.600 how many parents
00:35:52.160 have told me,
00:35:53.620 many schools,
00:35:55.780 most schools,
00:35:56.320 all schools
00:35:56.840 these days,
00:35:57.900 require kids
00:35:58.860 to have, to
00:35:59.920 use computers
00:36:00.540 at school.
00:36:01.560 You don't know
00:36:02.160 how many parents
00:36:02.580 have told me
00:36:03.020 that their own
00:36:04.400 kids or kids
00:36:05.460 they know
00:36:05.880 have access
00:36:07.260 porn at school
00:36:08.320 on these
00:36:09.160 computers that
00:36:09.840 somehow are
00:36:10.700 not locked
00:36:11.980 down, or the
00:36:12.640 kids know how
00:36:13.020 to bypass
00:36:13.820 the controls.
00:36:15.840 So you could
00:36:16.720 be the best
00:36:17.440 parent in the
00:36:18.260 world, you
00:36:19.160 could be the
00:36:19.440 most attentive
00:36:20.160 parent, the
00:36:21.320 most disciplined
00:36:22.480 and loving
00:36:22.960 parent, and
00:36:24.900 your 12-year-old
00:36:25.860 could still
00:36:27.280 access, view,
00:36:28.200 and be corrupted 0.50
00:36:28.780 by hardcore 0.74
00:36:29.440 internet porn.
00:36:30.380 That is the 0.93
00:36:31.400 reality of our
00:36:31.980 current situation.
00:36:33.620 So if there's a
00:36:34.680 solution that does
00:36:35.300 not involve
00:36:35.760 government, I'm
00:36:36.460 all ears, but
00:36:37.440 don't tell me
00:36:38.220 the solution
00:36:38.740 is putting
00:36:39.200 parental locks
00:36:40.000 on phones.
00:36:42.260 The problem
00:36:43.160 is so massive,
00:36:44.120 so big, and
00:36:44.620 so serious, that
00:36:45.520 it is beyond
00:36:46.320 the capacity
00:36:47.200 of any one
00:36:48.640 parent to
00:36:49.260 solve, or
00:36:50.760 even sufficiently
00:36:51.580 address in the
00:36:52.760 case of their
00:36:53.260 own individual
00:36:53.780 child.
00:36:55.620 The reason
00:36:56.480 governments are
00:36:57.180 instituted among
00:36:58.080 men is that
00:36:58.860 there are some
00:36:59.420 things individuals
00:37:00.980 cannot do on
00:37:02.020 their own.
00:37:04.480 Okay?
00:37:05.140 I mean, if we
00:37:06.480 want to stop an
00:37:07.180 invasion by a
00:37:07.940 foreign power,
00:37:08.880 I can't do
00:37:10.380 that.
00:37:11.980 And I could
00:37:12.640 probably get
00:37:13.000 some of my
00:37:13.740 friends together,
00:37:14.460 but we're not
00:37:15.280 going to do a
00:37:15.680 great job.
00:37:16.160 That's something
00:37:16.760 that we need the
00:37:17.280 government to do.
00:37:19.540 If we could do
00:37:20.200 everything on our
00:37:20.740 own, then we
00:37:21.560 would have no
00:37:22.360 government.
00:37:22.760 We'd be living in 0.85
00:37:23.320 an anarchist
00:37:24.100 utopia, but we're
00:37:25.340 not.
00:37:27.040 There's some
00:37:27.640 things that we
00:37:28.340 cannot do on
00:37:29.620 our own, and
00:37:30.320 that's why we
00:37:31.020 have a government.
00:37:31.460 And what I'm
00:37:34.520 saying is that
00:37:35.080 fighting the
00:37:35.580 porn epidemic is
00:37:36.500 one of those
00:37:37.060 things, and
00:37:37.640 nobody has
00:37:38.540 convinced me
00:37:39.040 otherwise.
00:37:41.640 The next
00:37:42.220 objection, well,
00:37:43.060 you can't ban
00:37:43.740 porn because the
00:37:44.340 Supreme Court
00:37:44.740 found that it's
00:37:45.260 protected under the
00:37:45.880 First Amendment.
00:37:47.400 Okay, now, even
00:37:48.100 if this were true,
00:37:49.460 it wouldn't change
00:37:50.120 my position.
00:37:50.660 You also can't
00:37:52.140 right now ban
00:37:53.060 abortion because the 0.98
00:37:54.100 Supreme Court
00:37:54.540 discovered in the
00:37:55.680 Constitution,
00:37:56.860 looking through
00:37:58.020 some sort of
00:37:59.180 decoder ring
00:37:59.940 looking at
00:38:00.940 the invisible
00:38:01.360 ink, they 0.98
00:38:02.160 discovered a
00:38:02.680 right to
00:38:02.980 abortion.
00:38:04.660 The Supreme
00:38:05.260 Court can be
00:38:06.000 wrong and has
00:38:06.680 been wrong many
00:38:07.220 times.
00:38:07.860 So my position
00:38:08.680 in principle
00:38:09.180 doesn't change
00:38:09.740 based on what
00:38:10.120 the Supreme
00:38:10.420 Court said.
00:38:11.640 If I think
00:38:12.320 something is
00:38:12.720 evil and should
00:38:13.940 be illegal and 0.86
00:38:15.220 is not protected
00:38:15.920 by the First
00:38:17.340 Amendment, I'm
00:38:18.240 not going to
00:38:18.560 suddenly say,
00:38:19.140 well, I guess
00:38:19.560 I was wrong
00:38:20.060 because some
00:38:21.440 people in
00:38:21.860 black robes
00:38:22.440 said so.
00:38:23.640 They can be
00:38:25.320 wrong, and in
00:38:26.140 this case, I
00:38:26.860 think they are.
00:38:28.620 Despite what
00:38:29.260 any robed
00:38:30.100 figure may
00:38:30.840 claim, I
00:38:31.800 don't think
00:38:32.720 that porn is
00:38:33.380 speech. 0.99
00:38:34.480 Having sex 0.98
00:38:35.020 on camera is 0.90
00:38:35.860 not speech.
00:38:37.200 Speech
00:38:37.580 communicates a
00:38:38.720 discernible,
00:38:39.620 coherent idea.
00:38:41.240 There is no
00:38:41.760 idea being
00:38:42.700 communicated or
00:38:43.540 conveyed by
00:38:44.160 porn.
00:38:44.500 It's just 0.98
00:38:44.780 porn. 0.83
00:38:45.460 It's there to 0.96
00:38:46.100 appeal to the
00:38:46.700 basest parts of
00:38:47.440 us.
00:38:47.620 It's not there
00:38:48.060 to engage us
00:38:48.660 intellectually or
00:38:49.580 make a point or
00:38:50.240 send a message.
00:38:51.380 It's not
00:38:51.720 speech.
00:38:53.240 A guy 1.00
00:38:53.900 masturbating on 0.99
00:38:54.580 a park bench
00:38:55.220 is not engaged
00:38:56.560 in speech.
00:38:57.020 speech, put a
00:38:57.960 camera in front
00:38:58.540 of him, and
00:38:59.400 live stream it on
00:39:00.060 the internet, and
00:39:01.280 all of a sudden
00:39:01.740 it's speech now?
00:39:02.840 What?
00:39:03.500 That's insane.
00:39:04.300 It doesn't make
00:39:04.720 any sense.
00:39:06.740 I made this
00:39:07.440 point and people
00:39:07.900 said, oh, that's
00:39:08.480 crazy, that's so 1.00
00:39:09.020 dumb. 1.00
00:39:09.260 A guy masturbating 1.00
00:39:10.200 on a park bench 1.00
00:39:10.760 is totally
00:39:11.320 different from
00:39:12.000 people, because
00:39:13.240 people choose to
00:39:14.120 access porn, whereas
00:39:15.060 they wouldn't
00:39:15.520 necessarily choose
00:39:16.240 to see the guy
00:39:17.680 on the bench.
00:39:18.080 Okay, but first
00:39:18.520 of all, I'm
00:39:19.600 making a point
00:39:20.180 about the act
00:39:20.900 itself.
00:39:21.420 The act
00:39:21.820 itself.
00:39:22.900 If sex or 0.91
00:39:23.540 masturbation is 0.90
00:39:24.380 speech when
00:39:25.260 filmed, then
00:39:27.020 then it would
00:39:27.880 also be speech
00:39:28.700 when it's not
00:39:29.200 filmed.
00:39:29.900 Can you think
00:39:30.420 of any other
00:39:31.240 thing that is
00:39:32.340 only speech if
00:39:33.440 it's broadcast to
00:39:34.360 billions of
00:39:34.860 people, but it
00:39:36.640 wouldn't be
00:39:37.080 speech if you
00:39:37.820 just said it or
00:39:39.140 did it in front
00:39:39.800 of ten people?
00:39:41.380 It doesn't make
00:39:42.100 any sense.
00:39:42.880 If the act is
00:39:44.280 speech, it is
00:39:45.060 speech no matter
00:39:46.000 if there's a
00:39:46.500 camera there or
00:39:47.160 not.
00:39:48.560 Period.
00:39:49.040 So if you're
00:39:51.180 telling me that
00:39:51.940 porn is speech,
00:39:52.820 then you cannot
00:39:53.960 escape the fact
00:39:55.400 that two people
00:39:57.220 having sex 0.83
00:39:57.820 publicly are
00:39:58.780 engaged in
00:39:59.380 speech.
00:40:00.440 Now, what you
00:40:01.000 might say is
00:40:01.840 that that's bad
00:40:03.900 speech that should
00:40:04.620 be restricted,
00:40:05.600 whereas porn is
00:40:06.420 not.
00:40:08.900 But, you see,
00:40:09.820 when you make,
00:40:10.240 and this is why
00:40:10.640 you don't want to
00:40:11.060 make that argument,
00:40:11.680 this is why you
00:40:12.100 want to try to
00:40:12.580 pretend that one
00:40:13.200 is speech and
00:40:13.660 one isn't, even
00:40:14.280 though that makes
00:40:14.840 no sense.
00:40:15.920 But, you don't
00:40:18.800 want to make
00:40:19.120 that, you don't
00:40:20.060 want to say,
00:40:20.380 okay, yeah, but
00:40:20.820 that's speech that
00:40:21.660 should be
00:40:21.940 restricted, because
00:40:23.760 now you've
00:40:24.360 admitted that,
00:40:26.180 okay, there
00:40:26.560 could be
00:40:27.280 scenarios where
00:40:29.060 people are doing
00:40:29.960 this and it
00:40:30.580 should be
00:40:30.820 restricted.
00:40:31.700 You don't want
00:40:32.360 to admit that.
00:40:34.420 And also, as
00:40:35.260 I've covered now
00:40:35.760 multiple times,
00:40:36.800 children do not 0.94
00:40:37.580 have the capacity
00:40:38.380 to consent.
00:40:39.200 And so, the
00:40:40.000 millions of
00:40:40.460 children who
00:40:40.880 access porn,
00:40:41.860 access that 0.95
00:40:42.560 content, they
00:40:45.180 did not
00:40:45.620 consent to
00:40:46.180 it.
00:40:47.320 Unless we're
00:40:47.920 saying now that
00:40:48.640 11-year-olds can
00:40:49.480 consent, which I'm
00:40:52.240 sure this is where
00:40:52.820 this is headed.
00:40:55.000 And so, if you're
00:40:55.800 on board, if you're 0.94
00:40:56.540 one of the porn
00:40:57.080 defenders, you're
00:40:57.780 on board with the
00:40:58.420 people who are
00:40:59.000 working towards
00:40:59.660 the normalization
00:41:02.420 and legalization of
00:41:03.220 pedophilia, because
00:41:03.860 what you're saying 0.92
00:41:04.600 is that 11-year-olds
00:41:06.480 can consent to
00:41:07.440 view porn.
00:41:08.940 And if they can
00:41:09.620 consent to view
00:41:10.160 porn, then it's
00:41:10.740 not that far from
00:41:11.700 saying they can
00:41:12.480 consent to do the
00:41:13.560 things that are
00:41:14.380 being portrayed in
00:41:15.000 the porn.
00:41:16.640 What I'm saying
00:41:17.420 is, I don't
00:41:18.360 think they can
00:41:18.740 consent to any
00:41:19.340 of it.
00:41:19.820 I don't think
00:41:20.240 they can
00:41:20.540 psychologize, I
00:41:21.140 don't think they 0.93
00:41:21.440 have the mental
00:41:22.240 capacity to
00:41:22.820 consent to any
00:41:23.420 of it.
00:41:26.140 So, if
00:41:27.280 children cannot
00:41:28.160 really consent
00:41:29.200 to view porn,
00:41:31.560 and you put that 0.93
00:41:33.780 porn on the
00:41:34.160 internet, and a 0.73
00:41:34.700 children's child
00:41:35.420 sees it, whose
00:41:37.080 fault is it?
00:41:39.840 It's not the
00:41:40.420 child's.
00:41:45.000 Now, as it
00:41:47.040 happens, though,
00:41:47.460 actually, the
00:41:47.820 Supreme Court has
00:41:48.680 not ruled out
00:41:49.380 regulation or even
00:41:50.400 criminalization of
00:41:51.220 many forms of
00:41:51.880 porn.
00:41:52.040 In fact, there
00:41:52.420 are obscenity laws
00:41:53.420 already on the
00:41:54.120 books that can be
00:41:55.560 enforced, could be
00:41:57.580 used to prosecute
00:41:58.440 hardcore
00:41:58.880 pornographers.
00:42:00.660 And that's what
00:42:01.700 started all this.
00:42:02.600 There are laws right
00:42:03.640 now that could be
00:42:04.320 used.
00:42:05.360 Also, there are
00:42:05.920 steps you could
00:42:06.360 take, the
00:42:07.020 government could
00:42:07.620 take, to
00:42:08.020 heavily regulate,
00:42:09.420 disincentivize,
00:42:11.640 segregate pornography,
00:42:12.680 stuff like, for
00:42:13.360 example, an opt-in
00:42:14.660 thing where if you
00:42:16.320 want your service
00:42:16.980 provider to provide 0.95
00:42:18.520 porn to you, you 0.51
00:42:19.620 got to call them
00:42:20.220 up and say, I
00:42:21.460 want to opt-in to
00:42:22.120 the porn.
00:42:24.520 And then the 0.96
00:42:26.200 porn will be
00:42:26.620 relegated to like
00:42:27.480 a .xxx domain
00:42:30.680 rather than .com,
00:42:32.060 things like that.
00:42:34.040 Now, and that all
00:42:34.960 is constitutional.
00:42:36.300 We could do all
00:42:36.760 that.
00:42:37.440 That doesn't
00:42:38.080 constitute an
00:42:38.560 all-out ban, but
00:42:40.280 as far as this
00:42:41.100 goes,
00:42:41.400 if your response
00:42:43.760 to me is, well,
00:42:44.840 I don't think we
00:42:45.240 can do an all-out
00:42:45.760 ban, but let's
00:42:46.500 do this instead,
00:42:47.280 I'm going to say,
00:42:48.000 sure, I mean, I'm
00:42:48.880 all about incremental
00:42:49.840 gains when it
00:42:50.500 comes to this.
00:42:51.260 So that's better
00:42:51.900 than nothing.
00:42:52.400 Let's start with
00:42:52.940 that.
00:42:53.620 I still think in
00:42:54.420 principle, ultimately,
00:42:55.540 our goal is what
00:42:57.420 I've been talking
00:42:57.760 about, but if we
00:42:58.480 want to start
00:42:58.880 here, fine.
00:42:59.520 I have no qualms
00:43:01.080 about that.
00:43:02.020 Let's start there,
00:43:02.960 sure.
00:43:04.740 And we can do
00:43:06.020 that.
00:43:07.860 The next
00:43:08.440 objection.
00:43:09.200 Well, so you
00:43:10.000 want to ban
00:43:10.820 porn, but
00:43:11.380 not guns? 1.00
00:43:12.660 You're such a 1.00
00:43:13.280 hypocrite. 1.00
00:43:14.280 Can't tell you 1.00
00:43:14.820 how many times
00:43:15.180 I've heard
00:43:15.440 this, which
00:43:16.940 is like
00:43:17.320 accusing me of
00:43:17.980 being a 0.96
00:43:18.300 hypocrite because 1.00
00:43:19.520 you catch me 1.00
00:43:20.080 eating a steak
00:43:20.880 after I just
00:43:22.340 got through
00:43:22.700 explaining that
00:43:23.380 we shouldn't
00:43:23.800 eat diapers.
00:43:25.700 And you
00:43:26.220 say, oh, so
00:43:27.340 now you think
00:43:28.080 it's okay to
00:43:28.660 eat things.
00:43:29.720 Look at you, 1.00
00:43:30.120 you big hypocrite. 1.00
00:43:32.380 You're going 1.00
00:43:32.940 around saying
00:43:33.380 don't eat
00:43:33.800 things, and
00:43:34.180 here you are
00:43:34.540 eating something.
00:43:36.580 Except that I
00:43:37.380 never said we
00:43:38.260 shouldn't eat
00:43:38.720 anything.
00:43:40.180 I singled
00:43:40.940 out a
00:43:41.300 particular thing
00:43:42.220 and said we
00:43:42.660 shouldn't eat
00:43:43.160 that.
00:43:44.040 And I had
00:43:44.620 very good
00:43:44.940 reasons for
00:43:45.360 saying it.
00:43:47.140 Likewise, I
00:43:47.920 never said we
00:43:48.500 shouldn't ban
00:43:49.140 anything.
00:43:51.000 I just said we
00:43:51.800 shouldn't ban
00:43:52.260 guns.
00:43:53.960 And plenty of
00:43:54.700 other things we
00:43:55.080 shouldn't ban
00:43:55.400 also.
00:43:55.740 But guns are
00:43:56.460 protected by the
00:43:57.040 Bill of Rights.
00:43:57.920 Specifically,
00:43:59.060 porn is not.
00:44:00.220 Guns are a 1.00
00:44:00.760 tool that can be
00:44:01.900 used to protect
00:44:02.640 our liberty.
00:44:03.640 Porn is not.
00:44:04.820 Guns have many 0.98
00:44:05.540 positive applications.
00:44:06.800 Porn does not.
00:44:08.060 A gun is a
00:44:08.800 morally neutral
00:44:09.520 object whose
00:44:11.040 dangers or
00:44:12.060 benefits are
00:44:12.600 determined entirely
00:44:13.520 by the person
00:44:14.160 using it.
00:44:15.560 Porn, on the
00:44:16.380 other hand, is
00:44:16.880 morally debased
00:44:17.560 filth with no 0.79
00:44:18.700 redeeming quality
00:44:19.340 and there is no
00:44:19.900 positive application
00:44:20.600 for it whatsoever.
00:44:22.380 So, these are two
00:44:23.600 very different
00:44:24.860 things.
00:44:25.880 And there is no
00:44:27.040 contradiction at
00:44:28.860 all between saying
00:44:29.960 one should be
00:44:30.520 banned and the
00:44:30.900 other not.
00:44:31.240 Kat Kempf is a 0.92
00:44:34.260 Fox News
00:44:34.860 personality.
00:44:36.000 She made a
00:44:36.520 version of this
00:44:37.040 argument to me
00:44:38.040 on Saturday.
00:44:38.920 She was, by the
00:44:39.540 way, very upset
00:44:40.100 with the idea of
00:44:41.000 regulating or
00:44:41.680 banning porn.
00:44:42.340 So, she's a big, 0.98
00:44:43.020 you know, she's 0.90
00:44:43.300 really, really,
00:44:44.380 really upset her.
00:44:45.220 And she sent a
00:44:46.320 whole bunch of
00:44:46.640 tweets attacking
00:44:48.120 me for it.
00:44:49.400 And just, you
00:44:50.740 know, another
00:44:51.680 great spokesperson
00:44:53.440 for conservatism
00:44:54.320 here.
00:44:54.660 A great, great
00:44:55.340 thoughtful thinker
00:44:56.200 and everything.
00:44:56.740 She said, this
00:44:57.320 was her argument.
00:44:57.920 She said, to be
00:44:58.680 clear, with this
00:44:59.480 logic, you're
00:45:00.340 arguing that
00:45:00.900 anything that
00:45:01.480 isn't suitable
00:45:01.980 for children
00:45:02.480 should be
00:45:02.920 banned from
00:45:03.340 the internet.
00:45:06.500 Oh, Lord.
00:45:08.160 No.
00:45:09.160 And this is
00:45:09.700 someone who
00:45:10.020 gets paid
00:45:10.800 to communicate
00:45:14.420 ideas.
00:45:16.080 And this is
00:45:17.480 how she
00:45:17.960 interprets.
00:45:19.640 No, I
00:45:20.280 didn't say
00:45:20.640 that.
00:45:21.400 Just because
00:45:21.920 I'm arguing
00:45:22.480 that one
00:45:23.260 unsuitable
00:45:23.900 thing should 0.59
00:45:24.360 be banned
00:45:24.780 doesn't mean
00:45:25.940 that I think
00:45:26.420 all unsuitable
00:45:27.300 things should
00:45:27.700 be banned.
00:45:28.080 And I'm
00:45:29.800 not making
00:45:30.400 the argument.
00:45:31.220 I'm not
00:45:31.580 saying it's
00:45:32.160 unsuitable,
00:45:32.780 therefore it
00:45:33.120 should be
00:45:33.280 banned.
00:45:34.100 I'm being
00:45:34.740 much more
00:45:35.440 specific than
00:45:36.260 that.
00:45:37.480 There are
00:45:38.120 many stipulations
00:45:39.760 I am making
00:45:40.380 here.
00:45:42.120 It's not as
00:45:42.920 simple as
00:45:43.400 porn is
00:45:43.860 unsuitable.
00:45:44.920 That's not
00:45:45.600 the word that
00:45:46.180 I would use
00:45:46.600 to describe
00:45:47.040 it.
00:45:48.000 I mean, it
00:45:48.360 is that, but
00:45:49.340 it's also many
00:45:50.060 other things as
00:45:50.700 well.
00:45:52.660 So,
00:45:53.660 documentaries
00:45:54.540 about the
00:45:55.160 killing field
00:45:55.640 in Cambodia.
00:45:56.960 Those also
00:45:57.580 are unsuitable
00:45:58.380 for children.
00:45:58.860 Should they
00:45:59.100 be banned
00:45:59.420 from the
00:45:59.640 internet?
00:46:00.880 Well, why
00:46:01.760 ban porn
00:46:02.420 but not
00:46:02.720 educational
00:46:03.240 documentaries?
00:46:04.100 Well, because
00:46:04.520 there are
00:46:04.820 literally dozens
00:46:05.660 of ways in
00:46:06.320 which porn
00:46:06.820 and documentaries
00:46:07.480 can be
00:46:08.260 distinguished
00:46:08.780 as any
00:46:11.200 reasonable
00:46:11.840 person
00:46:12.280 understands.
00:46:15.280 And governing
00:46:16.140 is all about
00:46:17.060 drawing these
00:46:17.780 kinds of
00:46:18.160 distinctions.
00:46:20.500 The next
00:46:21.180 argument, oh,
00:46:21.800 it's a slippery
00:46:22.280 slope.
00:46:23.940 What are you
00:46:24.520 worried that we
00:46:25.040 might slip
00:46:25.580 into?
00:46:26.120 Decency?
00:46:27.040 We could be
00:46:28.760 slipping and
00:46:29.420 sliding into a
00:46:30.220 world where
00:46:30.960 people are
00:46:32.700 decent.
00:46:34.900 What exactly
00:46:35.760 is the worst
00:46:36.260 case scenario
00:46:36.860 here?
00:46:37.720 That the
00:46:38.420 anti-porn law
00:46:39.320 may be used
00:46:40.040 against TV
00:46:40.640 networks that
00:46:41.280 broadcast obscene
00:46:42.260 content?
00:46:43.740 Well, okay.
00:46:46.080 Why should that
00:46:46.940 be such a
00:46:47.300 horrific outcome?
00:46:49.480 There are
00:46:50.080 already a bunch
00:46:50.680 of laws
00:46:51.020 determining
00:46:51.760 what TV
00:46:55.200 networks can
00:46:55.720 broadcast.
00:46:56.940 Is that a
00:46:57.660 slippery slope?
00:46:58.580 I mean, you
00:46:59.140 can't turn on
00:46:59.800 ABC at
00:47:01.140 8pm on a
00:47:02.300 Tuesday and
00:47:03.780 watch two
00:47:04.500 people naked 0.99
00:47:05.200 having sex. 0.98
00:47:06.660 Is that a 0.97
00:47:07.440 slippery slope?
00:47:08.100 Are you worried
00:47:08.620 that we're teetering
00:47:09.660 on the edge of
00:47:10.200 tyranny because of
00:47:10.940 that? 0.98
00:47:11.140 porn is a
00:47:16.080 severely toxic 0.98
00:47:16.820 thing that
00:47:17.240 has a
00:47:17.480 profound and
00:47:17.960 lasting impact
00:47:18.540 on children
00:47:18.900 and adults
00:47:19.440 that is
00:47:20.220 pervasive and
00:47:20.880 readily accessible
00:47:21.500 by the click
00:47:22.060 of a button
00:47:22.440 and that has
00:47:23.380 no positive
00:47:24.140 or neutral
00:47:24.640 application.
00:47:25.380 In other
00:47:25.620 words, there's
00:47:26.880 really nothing
00:47:27.340 else like it.
00:47:29.200 For the most
00:47:29.780 part, there
00:47:30.360 isn't anything
00:47:30.880 else in this
00:47:31.640 category.
00:47:33.480 A slippery
00:47:34.160 slope is when
00:47:34.840 you ban one
00:47:36.020 thing in a
00:47:37.300 certain category,
00:47:38.120 but there are
00:47:39.400 a bunch of
00:47:39.840 other things
00:47:40.240 in that very
00:47:40.920 same category
00:47:41.540 that are almost
00:47:42.160 identical to it
00:47:42.980 and now it's
00:47:44.480 okay, well now
00:47:45.000 we're going to
00:47:45.260 ban all that
00:47:45.720 too.
00:47:46.000 So that's a
00:47:46.360 slippery slope.
00:47:46.940 But porn, I 0.93
00:47:47.860 think, kind of
00:47:48.460 stands alone.
00:47:49.020 Everyone sort
00:47:49.620 of knows what
00:47:50.020 it is and
00:47:51.580 I don't think
00:47:54.240 anyone's been
00:47:54.600 watching a porn
00:47:55.260 ever and for a
00:47:57.200 minute been
00:47:57.500 confused about,
00:47:58.260 wait, is this
00:47:58.580 a documentary?
00:48:01.200 Or is this a
00:48:02.060 Martin Scorsese
00:48:02.660 film?
00:48:03.760 No, I think
00:48:04.440 when you look at
00:48:04.880 porn, you know
00:48:05.540 it when you see
00:48:05.960 it.
00:48:07.200 To a
00:48:08.120 paraphrase.
00:48:13.740 Let's see, what
00:48:14.480 else?
00:48:15.140 I think I've
00:48:15.520 covered everything.
00:48:18.500 Banning porn
00:48:19.180 would infringe
00:48:19.700 on rights.
00:48:20.780 I already
00:48:21.060 covered this, I
00:48:21.900 think, many
00:48:22.220 times.
00:48:23.360 You know, that
00:48:24.740 kid, CJ
00:48:25.320 Pearson, big
00:48:26.640 following on
00:48:27.180 the right, told
00:48:28.880 me that it's
00:48:29.420 tyranny to stop
00:48:31.020 people from
00:48:31.560 posting hardcore
00:48:32.460 sex videos on 0.97
00:48:33.100 the internet. 0.99
00:48:33.580 Tyranny.
00:48:34.940 Tyranny.
00:48:36.700 I just cannot
00:48:37.540 emphasize enough
00:48:38.180 what a radically
00:48:39.080 left-wing argument
00:48:40.200 that is, coming
00:48:41.240 now from so-called
00:48:42.000 conservatives.
00:48:44.060 Tyranny?
00:48:45.380 You're telling me
00:48:46.080 you'd be oppressed
00:48:47.800 and tyrannized if
00:48:50.260 you weren't able
00:48:50.860 to take a sex 0.71
00:48:52.420 video and put it 0.90
00:48:52.900 on the internet.
00:48:53.260 And as for
00:48:58.840 rights, you know, I
00:48:59.580 would just ask
00:49:00.460 again, where do
00:49:02.180 you think you get
00:49:02.740 this right from to 0.53
00:49:03.780 make porn or
00:49:04.900 watch it? 0.95
00:49:05.980 The founder's
00:49:06.660 conception of
00:49:07.140 right was that
00:49:07.580 they're inherent to
00:49:08.220 our human nature
00:49:08.860 and given to us
00:49:09.560 by God.
00:49:09.980 So do you think
00:49:10.900 that this is
00:49:11.380 inherent to our
00:49:12.260 human nature?
00:49:14.760 If you weren't
00:49:15.500 able to do
00:49:16.000 this, would you
00:49:16.460 be deprived of
00:49:17.580 something that is
00:49:18.380 essential to your
00:49:19.540 nature as a
00:49:20.420 human being?
00:49:20.860 I don't think
00:49:23.980 you can make
00:49:24.220 that argument.
00:49:25.420 Finally, I
00:49:26.020 think, you know
00:49:28.420 what the real
00:49:29.260 objection is?
00:49:30.180 I've gone through
00:49:30.860 all the objections
00:49:31.640 people throw at me
00:49:32.420 and I think that
00:49:33.340 pretty much is all
00:49:34.000 of them.
00:49:34.420 Maybe there's
00:49:34.740 something else.
00:49:35.180 You can email
00:49:35.600 me if you have
00:49:36.100 it.
00:49:39.900 Finally, I think
00:49:41.760 it really boils
00:49:42.280 down for most
00:49:42.780 people to, well,
00:49:45.360 I don't want
00:49:45.880 porn banned because
00:49:46.880 I personally enjoy
00:49:47.940 it.
00:49:48.880 And I think
00:49:49.260 most people,
00:49:50.220 they make
00:49:51.180 other arguments
00:49:51.860 but that's
00:49:52.600 really what
00:49:53.160 their argument
00:49:53.600 is.
00:49:56.740 And at
00:49:59.580 least if you
00:49:59.960 came out and
00:50:00.400 just said that,
00:50:00.900 it'd be honest.
00:50:02.940 And I wish
00:50:03.540 more people
00:50:03.940 would.
00:50:06.800 Because that's
00:50:07.760 the one thing
00:50:08.180 that you notice
00:50:08.560 when you talk
00:50:08.980 about this issue.
00:50:09.740 People get so
00:50:10.600 defensive and
00:50:12.800 so angry.
00:50:14.160 Like, it
00:50:14.680 shouldn't make
00:50:15.100 you angry. 0.83
00:50:16.520 Okay?
00:50:17.500 At the very
00:50:18.960 least, if I'm
00:50:19.520 talking about
00:50:20.120 hardcore pornography
00:50:20.840 and, you
00:50:22.220 know, me
00:50:23.220 insulting or
00:50:24.260 attacking hardcore
00:50:25.000 porn shouldn't 0.71
00:50:26.160 make you angry.
00:50:27.780 And if it does,
00:50:29.200 then I think
00:50:30.120 that's a really
00:50:30.640 good indication
00:50:31.340 that you are
00:50:32.960 far too attached
00:50:33.900 to this and
00:50:35.460 addicted to it.
00:50:36.560 Or you have a
00:50:37.640 severe compulsion
00:50:38.440 to it.
00:50:40.740 Which really
00:50:41.760 only proves my
00:50:42.880 point even more.
00:50:43.880 it proves how
00:50:45.840 insidious this
00:50:46.680 stuff is and
00:50:48.500 what a toxic
00:50:49.060 effect it has
00:50:49.840 on people and
00:50:50.920 on society.
00:50:52.200 And so
00:50:52.440 ironically,
00:50:53.440 most of the
00:50:55.140 people who've
00:50:55.560 been coming
00:50:55.840 after me about
00:50:56.480 this are
00:50:58.380 accidentally
00:50:58.980 proving my
00:51:00.440 point all
00:51:01.120 the way.
00:51:03.340 By reacting
00:51:04.400 like Gollum
00:51:05.240 when the ring
00:51:06.320 is taken
00:51:06.760 from him,
00:51:07.980 you know,
00:51:08.200 they're only
00:51:11.520 showing that
00:51:12.200 this is why.
00:51:16.740 This is what
00:51:17.420 it does to
00:51:17.920 you.
00:51:20.520 All right.
00:51:22.140 So there's
00:51:22.720 my argument.
00:51:24.560 And I will
00:51:27.040 invite you to,
00:51:28.220 if you've
00:51:29.120 listened to all
00:51:29.620 of us by now,
00:51:30.260 I would invite
00:51:30.620 you to do
00:51:31.660 your best to
00:51:32.200 tear it apart 0.75
00:51:32.940 and send me
00:51:34.080 emails.
00:51:34.940 I think it's
00:51:35.360 an important
00:51:35.620 conversation to
00:51:36.180 have at least.
00:51:36.540 And I'm glad
00:51:36.940 at the very
00:51:37.780 least that
00:51:38.140 we're having
00:51:38.460 the conversation.
00:51:40.000 And as I
00:51:40.540 said at the
00:51:40.840 top, I
00:51:43.580 think maybe
00:51:44.520 we can agree
00:51:45.520 that even if
00:51:47.460 you don't think
00:51:47.680 it's an important
00:51:48.100 conversation,
00:51:49.260 maybe it's a
00:51:51.500 good change of
00:51:52.000 pace from
00:51:52.300 talking about
00:51:52.680 impeachment all
00:51:53.220 the time.
00:51:54.060 All right.
00:51:54.580 We'll leave it
00:51:55.080 there.
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00:51:55.680 everybody,
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