The Matt Walsh Show - December 09, 2019

Ep. 386 - It’s Time for a War on Porn

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Porn should be banned, I argue in a piece I wrote on Friday on The Daily Wire, and it sparked a backlash from conservative critics who called me "nuts" and accused me of being "intolerant" and "nutsty." In this episode, I lay out my case for why porn should be illegal, and address the criticism I've received.

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00:00:00.000 Well, you guys aren't going to believe this, but a bunch of people are mad at me because of some stuff that I said.

00:00:07.420 I know it's kind of shocking to hear.

00:00:11.140 You know, I took a position, I articulated a point of view, and apparently that point of view was unpopular.

00:00:18.680 Who knew?

00:00:19.440 And now a lot of people are angry and yelling at me, and I know, again, this is very shocking to you.

00:00:25.320 I know you hear that and you think, what? No way, Matt. You're such an agreeable and well-liked guy.

00:00:31.660 Everybody always agrees with everything you say.

00:00:34.260 There's no way you get that kind of reaction out of people. I don't believe it.

00:00:37.020 Well, I'm sorry to shatter that image that you have of me, but here we are.

00:00:40.680 So the thing that got me canceled this time, canceled for, by my count, the 13th time since mid-September,

00:00:48.020 is that I argued for banning pornography.

00:00:51.680 I argued, as I have in the past, I believe probably on this very show, that hardcore porn should be illegal.

00:01:00.880 I argued that, in fact, you do not have a God-given natural right to post your sex videos on a public forum,

00:01:08.580 and you don't have a God-given natural right to view them.

00:01:10.720 I argued that both of those things are privileges, and privileges that we should not be granted,

00:01:19.440 because the proliferation of hardcore porn is injurious to the common good,

00:01:24.320 and to be even more specific, it is destroying children.

00:01:26.860 I argued that your privilege to post sex videos on the Internet should not outweigh the need to protect children

00:01:35.020 from the profound and really quite measurable harm that exposure to those videos does to them.

00:01:43.760 So that was my argument, and I expressed it in a piece that I published on The Daily Wire on Friday,

00:01:48.380 and in a series of posts on social media, mostly on Twitter,

00:01:52.640 and it's the argument that sparked, as they say, a backlash,

00:01:56.820 sparked the backlash, with lots and lots of people telling me that

00:02:00.680 I'm not only wrong for holding that view, but I'm psychotic.

00:02:04.560 It's crazy. There's just nothing good that can be said about it at all.

00:02:07.640 Many of those people, by the way, are conservatives, or quote-unquote conservatives, air quotes.

00:02:16.320 Really, they're libertarians who don't know that they're libertarians,

00:02:19.720 and because they don't really know anything about their own ideology.

00:02:23.980 But we'll get back to that. We'll get back to that in a minute.

00:02:25.760 So what I want to do today is lay out my case as clearly as I can,

00:02:29.580 and also address the criticism that I've received.

00:02:33.280 And all I would ask is that you hear me out, okay?

00:02:36.760 Give me a chance to explain my argument, and then decide if you agree or disagree.

00:02:41.560 If your first reaction when I say we should ban porn is to recoil in horror,

00:02:47.680 and to think, well, that's totally insane,

00:02:50.660 then I would ask that you especially, especially you, would just hear me out.

00:02:55.440 And whatever objections you have in your head right now, and I'm sure you have many,

00:03:00.400 I'll probably address them as we continue.

00:03:02.520 And if I don't, then you can always email after the show, and I'll address it tomorrow.

00:03:05.880 But I think I'll probably get to it.

00:03:09.100 So you've got to give me a chance, because I'm trying to be as thorough as I can.

00:03:13.100 I'm going to spend probably the entire show on this today,

00:03:15.440 because, number one, I think it's an interesting topic.

00:03:18.840 There are people complaining on Twitter, saying,

00:03:21.340 it's so annoying that you started this conversation.

00:03:23.880 Who wants to talk about this?

00:03:25.200 Isn't it way more interesting?

00:03:26.700 What else are we going to talk about?

00:03:28.080 Do you want to talk about impeachment some more?

00:03:29.780 Isn't this at least interesting to talk about?

00:03:32.340 It's something different, at least?

00:03:35.140 And I want this show to be my definitive explanation of my position on this topic,

00:03:41.180 which isn't to say that it will be the definitive argument for banning porn.

00:03:46.940 Somebody more intelligent than me is going to have to give the definitive argument,

00:03:50.180 but this will be my definitive argument.

00:03:52.120 This will be as thorough as I can be.

00:03:56.000 Now, why did this come up in the first place?

00:03:59.640 Well, as National Review reported on Friday,

00:04:02.380 a small group of Republican lawmakers sent a letter calling for Attorney General Barr

00:04:08.600 to enforce obscenity laws as a way to fight hardcore pornography.

00:04:13.380 Now, to be clear, what they're requesting is the enforcement of obscenity laws

00:04:18.140 that are already on the books.

00:04:19.400 And we'll get back to that.

00:04:20.100 We'll talk more about that a little bit later on.

00:04:21.660 But they're not calling for new laws to be added to the books.

00:04:25.720 They're saying, we already have these laws.

00:04:28.220 Let's enforce them.

00:04:30.480 Radical idea, right?

00:04:31.560 Let's actually enforce the laws that are on the books.

00:04:33.580 Now, personally, I would hope that this would be a first step

00:04:36.580 towards a wider-ranging war on hardcore porn,

00:04:40.500 though that's not what the lawmakers are advocating.

00:04:43.280 So I'm taking a more extreme position than they are.

00:04:48.260 Which, again, is probably shocking to you.

00:04:51.220 At the very least, I think this should be the beginning of a conversation

00:04:54.240 about the proliferation of hardcore porn

00:04:56.580 and the government's role in addressing the problem.

00:04:59.240 But this is not a conversation that most people want to have.

00:05:01.800 Now, of course, you would expect those on the political left

00:05:05.780 to react in horror, to resist any restriction or ban on pornography.

00:05:12.440 That's what you expect from them.

00:05:14.200 After all, this is the side that generally supports

00:05:16.400 explicit sex education for kindergartners,

00:05:20.380 child drag queens, drag queen story hour, trans kids, and so on.

00:05:24.980 They are committed to exposing children to all manner of sexual confusion

00:05:29.300 and degeneracy at younger and younger ages.

00:05:33.140 And so you expect them.

00:05:34.620 You know where they're going to stand.

00:05:36.900 The real shame is that so many people on the right now

00:05:40.600 are just as likely to valiantly stand up

00:05:44.600 for the rights of internet pimps and smut peddlers.

00:05:47.280 We live now in a society where the most extreme

00:05:53.360 and depraved forms of pornography

00:05:55.560 are readily accessible to children.

00:06:00.020 It seems to me that if your primary concern

00:06:03.060 when faced with this epidemic

00:06:05.040 is to protect the rights of smut peddlers

00:06:07.720 and people who want to masturbate to things on the internet,

00:06:12.540 like if that's your primary, if that's the main thing,

00:06:15.040 if that's the main issue that you're focused on

00:06:20.040 when it comes to this topic,

00:06:21.520 then I would suggest that your priorities are out of alignment.

00:06:25.980 And I would also suggest that if you're a conservative

00:06:27.960 and that's your main thing,

00:06:30.560 then you're probably not a conservative at all, actually.

00:06:35.780 Yet, you know, any talk of restriction of pornography

00:06:38.580 is waved off with slogans about limited government

00:06:42.480 and declarations about the ineffectiveness of prohibition

00:06:46.480 and all of that.

00:06:47.860 I agree that government should be limited.

00:06:50.740 I also agree that government can't go around

00:06:52.680 prohibiting everything that the bureaucrats

00:06:54.840 currently comprising it happen to dislike.

00:06:58.360 So I'm on board with that.

00:07:00.300 But I also think there's a role for the government

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00:08:18.020 So my argument for banning slash regulating porn

00:08:21.440 really boils down to two points.

00:08:24.680 These aren't the only points in support of my case,

00:08:27.500 but they are the points that I'm focusing on,

00:08:30.460 and they're the points that I personally find

00:08:32.140 the most persuasive.

00:08:33.640 Maybe there are better points out there.

00:08:35.400 These are the ones that, to me, make the case.

00:08:40.500 Number one, children are being severely damaged

00:08:43.680 by the proliferation of hardcore porn.

00:08:46.160 That's my first argument.

00:08:47.940 Argument number two, more broadly,

00:08:50.640 the proliferation of hardcore porn has, as I said,

00:08:54.420 a detrimental and injurious effect on the common good.

00:08:58.820 It is contrary to the common good to allow this to continue.

00:09:03.180 Now, I'm going to elaborate on both these.

00:09:04.640 Let's start with children.

00:09:05.520 On average, children are first exposed to hardcore pornography

00:09:08.780 at the age of 11, if not sooner.

00:09:12.800 Now, remember how an average works.

00:09:15.500 If the age of first exposure is, on average, 11,

00:09:18.840 that means in order to get that average,

00:09:20.520 there are a whole lot of kids being exposed at 78 or 9.

00:09:23.880 This exposure is not neutral in its impact.

00:09:29.700 It certainly is not positive in its impact.

00:09:31.800 I hope I don't need to explain that.

00:09:34.240 It's also not neutral.

00:09:36.300 Children are damaged in quantifiable ways,

00:09:40.160 affecting their emotional and psychological development,

00:09:43.060 their attitudes towards other people

00:09:45.380 and towards themselves, their behavior,

00:09:47.640 their ability to form healthy sexual relationships

00:09:49.780 in the future.

00:09:51.680 That shouldn't be surprising either.

00:09:53.880 If you think about it, you've got kids prepubescent

00:09:58.780 who have no notion of human sexuality,

00:10:04.740 don't really know what it is.

00:10:06.740 And their first exposure to human sexuality

00:10:12.820 is smut on the internet,

00:10:16.100 is X-rated, whatever disturbing dark thing

00:10:21.460 that they happen to see when they're on it.

00:10:22.800 When they're just at the beginning,

00:10:27.780 before puberty,

00:10:29.200 developing an impression of what sexuality is

00:10:33.820 and growing into the...

00:10:36.660 They're in the formative years.

00:10:39.800 They're beginning their real formative years of adolescence.

00:10:42.460 And it begins with that.

00:10:44.540 So that is the seed planted at the beginning of their real formative years of adolescence.

00:10:51.360 It's not hard to see how that's going to grow into something potentially

00:10:55.660 very troubling.

00:10:59.880 Studies show that children exposed to porn are more likely to become victims of sex abuse.

00:11:03.980 And also that porn may encourage them to become perpetrators of abuse themselves.

00:11:09.780 Children who are exposed to porn, as studies show, are traumatized by it.

00:11:15.660 They suffer real trauma.

00:11:17.360 Now, I know that word trauma has been cheapened by college kids complaining that they were traumatized

00:11:22.600 by a Ben Shapiro speech on campus.

00:11:24.820 I'm not talking about that kind of trauma.

00:11:27.440 I'm talking about real trauma.

00:11:28.660 There is a real thing.

00:11:29.880 There is a thing called someone experiencing trauma.

00:11:32.920 And young kids exposed to this, they're traumatized by it.

00:11:37.320 Porn produces neurological changes in the brain of a child,

00:11:41.440 in the brain of adults as well.

00:11:43.440 We could see this in brain scans.

00:11:46.240 But the difference between the changes in a child and an adult

00:11:49.240 are that a child's brain is still developing and forming.

00:11:53.540 And they're still growing.

00:11:54.700 So those changes could have a more lasting impact.

00:12:00.600 So I think this establishes that porn is widespread, ubiquitous, endemic.

00:12:08.340 Millions of kids are exposed to it very young.

00:12:10.400 None of that is controversial.

00:12:11.780 That's just a fact.

00:12:14.320 And that this exposure is really harming them in tangible and serious and lasting ways.

00:12:20.440 Is there not, at a minimum, at least a reason to consider involving the state

00:12:26.640 in this assault on our children's minds and bodies?

00:12:30.720 Shouldn't we at least talk about it?

00:12:34.400 By the way, for anyone who doubts the harm that porn does to a child,

00:12:39.520 and honestly, I don't know how you, a thinking person, could doubt it,

00:12:43.040 but if you do, I want you to imagine this.

00:12:46.080 Imagine a child wanders into a motel room

00:12:49.960 where a prostitute brings her clients to engage in their business exchange.

00:12:59.580 Now, imagine a kid, 11, 10 years old,

00:13:03.060 in the room, witnessing this happening.

00:13:08.300 Would anyone doubt?

00:13:09.900 I mean, would anyone deny that the child will come away traumatized from that?

00:13:14.440 Would anyone doubt that?

00:13:16.080 Would anyone doubt that that experience,

00:13:20.820 that experience of being in a motel room, watching this happen,

00:13:23.460 will affect him in profound, deep, bad ways

00:13:28.220 that will probably reverberate through his entire life?

00:13:31.820 Now, here's what I ask.

00:13:33.860 What is the difference between a child watching exactly that kind of thing happen

00:13:39.600 through a screen or watching it in person?

00:13:42.580 Now, in this hypothetical, in both scenarios,

00:13:45.900 no one's touching him, no one's interacting with him in any way directly.

00:13:51.180 It's just he's watching something happen.

00:13:52.760 What's the difference?

00:13:53.400 You put a screen there and all of a sudden it doesn't matter?

00:13:56.220 All of a sudden the effect is less?

00:13:59.080 Why would that be the case?

00:14:00.220 Does the screen itself act as a kind of emotional and psychological barrier

00:14:08.140 that protects the child?

00:14:10.900 No, I don't think so.

00:14:14.260 You talk about consenting adults.

00:14:15.920 Consenting adults may well have the right to do what they want with each other

00:14:19.140 in the privacy of their homes,

00:14:20.360 but do they have the right to film it

00:14:23.020 and then publish it on a forum

00:14:24.500 where children in elementary school might easily access it?

00:14:27.920 That's the question.

00:14:29.620 And if you say they do have this right,

00:14:31.900 where does this right originate?

00:14:33.900 Don't just tell me that someone I have a right to do.

00:14:36.020 What do you mean you have a right to do it?

00:14:37.180 Says who?

00:14:39.020 Where does this right originate?

00:14:40.860 Does it originate from God?

00:14:42.020 Our, in this country,

00:14:48.160 if you go back to the founding of this country,

00:14:51.920 our philosophical notion of rights

00:14:55.700 is not that it's an arbitrary thing that the government gives you,

00:14:58.260 it's that it's inherent, it's intrinsic to your human nature,

00:15:01.960 instilled in us by God.

00:15:03.140 So I ask you, did God instill in all humans

00:15:05.880 the inalienable and sacred right

00:15:07.820 to publish footage of their orgies on the internet

00:15:09.900 for everyone to see?

00:15:12.020 If God didn't, then from where

00:15:14.720 and what does this right spring?

00:15:18.180 Perhaps we should consider the possibility

00:15:19.800 that there is no such right.

00:15:22.280 You don't have that right.

00:15:24.200 It is, again, a privilege

00:15:25.500 that society can either choose to grant or not.

00:15:30.020 The question is whether the privilege of adults

00:15:32.260 to post their sexual escapades online

00:15:34.400 is more important than the privilege of children

00:15:38.720 to be protected

00:15:39.900 from the psychological and emotional harm

00:15:43.920 that being exposed to it causes.

00:15:48.880 Here's the point.

00:15:50.860 No reasonable person can deny

00:15:52.680 that there's a problem here

00:15:53.920 and not a small problem.

00:15:56.780 This stuff is poisoning our kids.

00:15:58.820 That's not up for debate.

00:15:59.840 That's not my opinion.

00:16:00.680 It's a fact.

00:16:02.820 It's a reality.

00:16:04.760 Now, once you acknowledge that reality,

00:16:07.380 must you not at least take seriously

00:16:10.260 the notion that the state may have a role here?

00:16:14.900 There are plenty of times

00:16:16.260 when wielding the massive hammer of the state

00:16:18.920 is inappropriate, wrong,

00:16:22.000 out of proportion, unjust.

00:16:24.100 The tool is abused very often.

00:16:27.140 I'll be the first to say that.

00:16:29.380 But doesn't the collective corruption

00:16:31.220 of entire generations of children

00:16:33.020 perhaps warrant bringing down the hammer,

00:16:36.480 as it were?

00:16:38.280 Isn't this a time when justice calls for that step,

00:16:42.320 potentially?

00:16:44.200 Now, as to my second point,

00:16:45.560 the common good,

00:16:46.180 I believe the whole reason the government exists,

00:16:48.400 and this is an important point

00:16:50.760 we have to establish to begin with,

00:16:53.760 I think when we start talking about

00:16:55.820 what we think the government should do

00:16:57.600 and not do,

00:16:59.040 we can't really have

00:17:00.820 an intelligent conversation

00:17:02.120 or even an intelligible conversation

00:17:04.340 about that

00:17:04.940 unless everyone involved in the conversation

00:17:07.260 has some idea

00:17:08.820 of what they think the government is

00:17:11.400 and why it fundamentally exists.

00:17:15.560 I would say,

00:17:16.760 and not just me, by the way,

00:17:18.400 but I'm going to agree

00:17:20.420 with like Aristotle and Aquinas

00:17:22.080 and those guys

00:17:22.820 and say that the government exists

00:17:24.040 to protect and advance the common good.

00:17:26.520 This should not be controversial.

00:17:28.660 But these days,

00:17:29.740 a lot of people,

00:17:31.560 especially conservatives,

00:17:33.100 are apt to say,

00:17:33.980 no, no, that's not it.

00:17:35.140 Government exists to protect rights

00:17:36.900 because the common good is subjective

00:17:40.140 and can be abused.

00:17:42.040 And who decides what's good?

00:17:43.520 No, no, no.

00:17:44.060 Rights are the point.

00:17:46.060 I think this kind of a response

00:17:47.520 of a response

00:17:48.180 is shallow,

00:17:49.400 to be honest with you.

00:17:50.680 And I blame many things,

00:17:52.840 but among them,

00:17:53.580 the influence of libertarianism.

00:17:55.940 I think libertarianism

00:17:57.400 has helped to create

00:17:58.720 a bunch of conservatives

00:17:59.520 who think that rights

00:18:00.780 can be protected

00:18:01.640 apart from any conception

00:18:03.420 of the good.

00:18:05.120 And I was told this

00:18:06.220 many times over the weekend

00:18:07.460 by conservatives

00:18:08.260 that rights and what is good

00:18:11.060 are two completely different things

00:18:12.660 that have no relationship

00:18:14.060 with each other.

00:18:14.900 And the government's only concern

00:18:17.580 is with rights.

00:18:18.660 Who cares what's good?

00:18:21.380 This isn't just libertarianism.

00:18:23.480 This is like radical libertarianism.

00:18:26.780 This has nothing to do

00:18:28.360 with conservatism, historically.

00:18:32.400 A concept like rights

00:18:34.100 in a vacuum

00:18:34.820 is, of course,

00:18:36.100 far more vague

00:18:37.180 and carries with it

00:18:38.120 far more capacity for abuse

00:18:39.820 than a concept like good.

00:18:41.300 Why do you think we spend

00:18:42.960 all of our time

00:18:43.700 in this country

00:18:44.180 arguing over

00:18:45.220 who has a right to what

00:18:47.500 and whose rights

00:18:48.260 take precedent

00:18:49.020 and all of that?

00:18:50.940 Nobody knows

00:18:51.520 what the hell a right even is.

00:18:53.020 So all these people saying,

00:18:53.760 I don't know,

00:18:54.120 forget about good,

00:18:55.400 that's vague.

00:18:55.960 No, it's about rights.

00:18:56.860 Well, what's a right?

00:18:57.940 Do you even know what it is?

00:18:58.720 Can you define it?

00:19:01.160 If we get 100 Americans

00:19:02.500 into a room,

00:19:03.700 could we find agreement

00:19:04.880 between any two of them

00:19:06.240 about what our rights

00:19:07.180 actually are?

00:19:08.000 Meanwhile,

00:19:12.280 you know,

00:19:12.480 in this country,

00:19:13.020 we've discovered

00:19:13.680 the right to murder children

00:19:15.360 and 60 million

00:19:16.340 have been killed

00:19:17.380 under the banner of rights.

00:19:19.260 So you talk about

00:19:20.180 the potential for abuse

00:19:21.400 if we say that the government

00:19:22.400 is there to protect

00:19:23.780 and advance the common good.

00:19:24.900 What about the potential

00:19:25.660 for abuse

00:19:26.180 if we put the good aside

00:19:28.100 and just say

00:19:29.020 it's all about rights?

00:19:30.680 60 million humans

00:19:32.000 have been killed

00:19:32.680 from that abuse.

00:19:35.120 But

00:19:38.240 to the extent

00:19:40.300 that we're talking about

00:19:41.500 actual rights,

00:19:42.740 God-given rights,

00:19:43.820 inherent human rights,

00:19:44.920 then the whole reason

00:19:46.140 why those rights

00:19:47.040 should be protected

00:19:47.840 is that it is good.

00:19:49.360 So when you say something like

00:19:50.820 we must protect rights,

00:19:52.840 I ask a follow-up,

00:19:54.720 a very fair follow-up,

00:19:55.900 which is

00:19:56.320 why?

00:19:58.080 Who cares?

00:19:59.360 Don't just insist

00:20:00.440 that the government

00:20:00.980 should protect rights.

00:20:01.780 That's not the end

00:20:05.620 of the discussion

00:20:06.240 because now I'm going to say

00:20:08.080 why?

00:20:09.660 Why should it?

00:20:10.660 Who cares about rights?

00:20:11.500 Why does it matter?

00:20:14.800 And your response

00:20:15.800 eventually,

00:20:16.860 we might go through

00:20:17.600 a few back and forths,

00:20:18.720 but eventually

00:20:19.440 your response

00:20:20.240 is going to be

00:20:21.100 at bottom.

00:20:23.180 Well,

00:20:23.720 because it's good.

00:20:25.260 It's the right thing to do.

00:20:28.240 That's why.

00:20:28.880 Because,

00:20:32.080 in effect,

00:20:32.900 it's good for society.

00:20:34.640 It's good for us.

00:20:35.940 It's good for us

00:20:36.640 as individuals

00:20:37.320 and as a country

00:20:40.100 to have our rights protected.

00:20:43.960 What you're saying is

00:20:45.200 that protecting rights

00:20:46.560 serves the common good,

00:20:48.400 which means

00:20:49.180 that the common good

00:20:50.080 is more fundamental,

00:20:51.560 more foundational.

00:20:52.800 It lies deeper down,

00:20:54.520 closer to the root.

00:20:55.500 when I say

00:20:59.380 the government exists

00:21:00.060 for the common good,

00:21:01.060 I'm not saying

00:21:01.880 that as a replacement

00:21:03.640 of or in contradiction

00:21:04.960 to the theory

00:21:05.780 that it exists

00:21:06.320 to protect rights.

00:21:07.060 I'm saying that rights,

00:21:08.160 real human rights,

00:21:09.240 serve the common good.

00:21:12.840 I can't believe

00:21:13.620 I have to even explain this,

00:21:14.660 but like I said,

00:21:15.340 over the weekend,

00:21:15.740 so many conservatives

00:21:16.680 were insisting

00:21:18.280 that the government

00:21:19.000 should not protect

00:21:20.260 the common good.

00:21:22.100 This is,

00:21:22.520 these are conservatives

00:21:24.860 and this is what

00:21:25.420 conservatives have done

00:21:26.340 in the last few decades.

00:21:28.200 They've taken

00:21:28.780 their own intellectual history

00:21:29.980 and just thrown it

00:21:31.340 in the wood chipper

00:21:32.260 without even realizing

00:21:33.680 they're doing it.

00:21:36.080 It should be shocking

00:21:37.540 that any conservative

00:21:39.040 would say

00:21:40.160 that the government

00:21:40.960 shouldn't protect

00:21:41.700 the common good,

00:21:42.220 but that's what they said.

00:21:43.560 In fact,

00:21:43.760 I had people saying,

00:21:44.240 oh, that's communist.

00:21:45.660 That's communist.

00:21:46.800 Common good is about common.

00:21:48.960 This is what happens.

00:21:49.940 See, this is what happens

00:21:51.440 when people,

00:21:52.140 they choose

00:21:52.720 a political ideology

00:21:53.680 without reading any books.

00:21:55.460 They have no idea.

00:21:58.940 And now,

00:21:59.620 all of a sudden,

00:22:00.260 you know,

00:22:00.520 arguments made by

00:22:01.580 Aquinas and Aristotle

00:22:02.880 are communist.

00:22:05.260 Good God.

00:22:08.340 The point with hardcore porn

00:22:09.600 is that it is grievously harmful

00:22:11.260 to the good.

00:22:12.180 It has an egregiously

00:22:13.200 negative effect

00:22:14.280 on the society.

00:22:15.020 There is literally

00:22:15.580 nothing at all good

00:22:16.780 that comes of it,

00:22:17.600 ever.

00:22:18.020 Not one good thing

00:22:19.280 has ever come of it

00:22:20.480 and ever could come of it.

00:22:23.320 It only harms.

00:22:24.420 It only destroys.

00:22:25.060 It only causes problems.

00:22:25.940 It only hurts people.

00:22:26.840 Really hurts them.

00:22:28.480 Hurts those involved.

00:22:29.480 Hurts those exposed.

00:22:30.480 Hurts those who are not

00:22:31.320 involved or exposed,

00:22:32.520 but are in the families

00:22:33.740 of those who are involved

00:22:35.080 or are exposed.

00:22:38.260 It's bad for society.

00:22:39.480 It's only bad.

00:22:40.340 It's never good.

00:22:41.060 It's never neutral.

00:22:41.920 It harms marriages.

00:22:42.800 Destroys marriages.

00:22:43.620 Destroys families.

00:22:44.440 Destroys children.

00:22:46.280 None of these are

00:22:46.920 bald assertions on my part.

00:22:48.140 This is all backed

00:22:48.760 by extensive research.

00:22:49.780 You can just go

00:22:50.180 and look at it yourself.

00:22:51.520 And I would encourage

00:22:52.100 you to do that.

00:22:54.520 So when you have something

00:22:55.740 that is very bad,

00:22:57.340 has a very bad effect

00:22:59.540 on people,

00:23:00.480 has nothing to recommend it,

00:23:02.960 has no positive application

00:23:04.760 at all,

00:23:06.020 nothing good about it,

00:23:08.980 then you have something

00:23:10.920 that I would argue

00:23:12.180 at a minimum

00:23:13.640 is a candidate

00:23:15.560 for regulation,

00:23:17.280 restriction,

00:23:17.640 prohibition.

00:23:23.560 This is the argument,

00:23:24.620 by the way,

00:23:25.440 in favor of making stuff

00:23:26.860 or keeping stuff

00:23:27.660 like heroin,

00:23:28.440 for example,

00:23:29.020 illegal.

00:23:30.760 Some people think

00:23:31.660 that heroin should be legal

00:23:32.740 because they say,

00:23:35.160 well,

00:23:35.620 you know,

00:23:35.980 everyone who uses it

00:23:37.240 for the most part

00:23:37.820 consents to it.

00:23:39.100 It's their choice.

00:23:42.220 Let them do it

00:23:42.960 if they want.

00:23:44.460 Okay,

00:23:44.760 and that's true

00:23:45.300 for the most part.

00:23:45.960 But heroin

00:23:47.000 is so terrible,

00:23:50.260 has such a detrimental

00:23:51.080 effect on people

00:23:51.860 and society,

00:23:52.760 and is so devoid

00:23:54.040 of anything positive

00:23:55.000 or redeeming

00:23:55.800 that I ask,

00:23:57.400 why the hell

00:23:57.980 should we make it legal?

00:24:00.460 I mean,

00:24:01.100 this seems like

00:24:01.760 the very definition

00:24:02.920 of something

00:24:03.440 that shouldn't be legal.

00:24:05.180 It will not help society

00:24:07.180 in any conceivable way

00:24:09.580 for it to be legal.

00:24:12.600 This is something

00:24:13.480 that cannot help anyone.

00:24:15.860 There is nothing good

00:24:16.960 that comes of it.

00:24:19.240 Not everything

00:24:20.080 is about consent

00:24:20.920 all the time.

00:24:21.720 There are also factors

00:24:22.600 like good versus evil,

00:24:24.020 right versus wrong.

00:24:25.680 These things also

00:24:26.760 must be weighed

00:24:27.640 when we make laws.

00:24:28.800 We have to take

00:24:33.200 that into account.

00:24:35.180 Nobody has a God-given

00:24:36.420 right to heroin,

00:24:37.860 and heroin

00:24:38.780 is a noxious poison

00:24:39.940 that destroys community.

00:24:41.140 Thus,

00:24:42.000 why not make it illegal?

00:24:44.260 I'd say the same thing

00:24:45.360 about porn.

00:24:49.300 So,

00:24:49.840 to review,

00:24:50.700 porn is toxic

00:24:51.420 to children,

00:24:52.140 toxic to families,

00:24:53.240 toxic to marriages,

00:24:54.320 toxic to society,

00:24:55.460 has no redeeming qualities

00:24:56.720 whatsoever,

00:24:57.920 and therefore,

00:24:58.680 it should be banned.

00:24:59.160 In a nutshell.

00:25:00.360 That's my argument.

00:25:03.440 So,

00:25:03.920 I want to go through

00:25:04.380 some of the objections

00:25:05.120 to this argument.

00:25:09.200 First objection.

00:25:10.000 These are just

00:25:10.520 the most common things

00:25:11.380 I've heard.

00:25:12.460 Maybe anticipating

00:25:13.520 some of the things

00:25:14.060 you're thinking right now.

00:25:16.040 First objection.

00:25:17.600 This is crazy.

00:25:18.560 You're insane.

00:25:19.100 You're an idiot.

00:25:19.800 You should go jump off a cliff.

00:25:21.520 I don't mean to pick

00:25:22.380 low-hanging fruit here,

00:25:23.420 but this is basically

00:25:24.400 the counter-argument

00:25:25.280 that I've gotten

00:25:25.880 from 99% maybe

00:25:28.840 of everybody

00:25:30.040 that I've heard from.

00:25:32.120 So,

00:25:32.460 I guess I have to

00:25:33.480 address it.

00:25:34.720 And I bring it up

00:25:35.360 only to make

00:25:35.820 one point here.

00:25:37.260 If you're a conservative,

00:25:38.840 you should not be

00:25:40.400 shocked and scandalized

00:25:41.520 by the argument

00:25:42.200 that hardcore porn

00:25:43.100 is not a human right

00:25:44.160 and should be

00:25:44.780 regulated or banned.

00:25:46.420 I'm not saying

00:25:47.140 you have to agree.

00:25:48.760 I'm not saying

00:25:49.440 we have to be

00:25:49.720 on the same page with it.

00:25:50.560 I'm just saying

00:25:50.940 that the argument

00:25:51.600 I'm making here

00:25:52.300 is an argument

00:25:52.820 that every conservative

00:25:54.200 50 years ago

00:25:55.620 would have at least

00:25:56.960 taken seriously.

00:25:59.580 Every single one.

00:26:02.180 If you recoil in horror

00:26:03.740 at the very thought

00:26:04.640 of regulating

00:26:06.840 or banning porn,

00:26:07.620 it's because you have

00:26:08.340 so totally accepted

00:26:09.800 the left's premise

00:26:10.780 on pornography

00:26:11.740 and probably on

00:26:12.900 so many other issues

00:26:13.740 as well.

00:26:15.400 Not just pornography.

00:26:16.660 You have

00:26:17.600 hook, line, and sinker.

00:26:20.280 You have accepted

00:26:21.540 the left's cultural arguments

00:26:22.920 and you don't even know it.

00:26:26.360 You are looking

00:26:27.320 and I don't mean this as

00:26:28.780 oh, you're acting

00:26:29.260 like a leftist

00:26:29.860 like some empty insult.

00:26:32.140 I mean it literally.

00:26:33.360 You are seeing the world

00:26:34.540 through the eyes

00:26:35.440 of a leftist

00:26:36.000 and you don't even know it.

00:26:42.880 And that's the case

00:26:44.600 if a classic

00:26:45.560 conservative argument

00:26:46.600 about obscenity

00:26:47.480 scandalizes

00:26:48.220 and shocks you.

00:26:50.820 It's not just

00:26:51.620 that conservatives

00:26:52.140 have abandoned

00:26:52.780 their own positions.

00:26:53.560 it's that now conservatives

00:26:55.180 are actually

00:26:57.380 offended

00:26:58.540 by conservative

00:27:00.380 positions on things.

00:27:02.760 That's how thoroughly

00:27:03.820 the left has won.

00:27:05.000 The left has won

00:27:05.880 so thoroughly

00:27:06.700 that

00:27:07.840 like I said

00:27:09.520 on common good

00:27:10.240 I was talking

00:27:10.580 about common good

00:27:11.180 someone told me

00:27:12.140 that the idea

00:27:13.440 of the common good

00:27:14.060 is jargon.

00:27:15.360 This is a conservative.

00:27:16.560 So it's just jargon.

00:27:19.080 The very concept

00:27:20.260 of good

00:27:21.000 is now jargon.

00:27:23.640 This is relativism.

00:27:24.960 This is nihilism

00:27:25.740 and relativism

00:27:26.360 and it has infiltrated

00:27:27.680 conservatism

00:27:28.360 in a major way.

00:27:30.460 When conservatives

00:27:31.360 decided

00:27:31.860 that government

00:27:33.280 should not be used

00:27:34.360 to advance the good

00:27:35.300 when that happened

00:27:38.140 and it wasn't

00:27:40.000 at one point

00:27:40.840 that it happened

00:27:41.340 but over the course

00:27:42.060 of decades

00:27:43.000 but that is

00:27:46.240 when conservatism

00:27:47.140 became limp

00:27:48.020 shallow

00:27:48.500 and ineffectual

00:27:49.380 also divorcing

00:27:51.260 itself from

00:27:51.800 its own

00:27:52.100 intellectual history

00:27:52.940 and that is

00:27:54.700 why the left

00:27:55.180 always wins

00:27:55.700 because the right

00:27:56.380 has abdicated

00:27:57.320 has run away

00:27:58.520 has surrendered.

00:28:00.880 My friend

00:28:01.720 Josh Hammer

00:28:02.360 who also works

00:28:02.940 at Daily Wire

00:28:03.880 writes great

00:28:04.860 pieces every day.

00:28:06.200 He made the point

00:28:07.160 last night

00:28:07.680 that the right

00:28:09.500 has almost

00:28:09.940 entirely abandoned

00:28:11.080 moral arguments

00:28:12.280 and arguments

00:28:13.100 rooted in justice.

00:28:15.040 The right

00:28:15.740 has almost

00:28:16.080 completely stopped

00:28:16.920 making those arguments

00:28:17.880 and ceded

00:28:18.480 all of that

00:28:19.180 to the left.

00:28:20.280 The left

00:28:20.800 makes those arguments

00:28:21.500 all the time

00:28:22.120 and they always win.

00:28:24.700 They always win

00:28:25.160 because nobody

00:28:25.620 opposes them.

00:28:27.040 They're just running

00:28:27.660 up and down

00:28:28.120 the football field

00:28:28.960 scoring touchdowns

00:28:30.160 and there's no defense

00:28:31.000 on the field

00:28:31.380 to stop them.

00:28:34.660 They say

00:28:35.540 we should do

00:28:36.460 this or that

00:28:37.360 because it's right

00:28:38.500 and it's just

00:28:39.460 and these weak

00:28:41.180 emasculated conservatives

00:28:42.380 are sitting off

00:28:43.140 in a corner

00:28:43.500 going oh

00:28:44.420 we don't want

00:28:44.780 to legislate morality

00:28:45.860 so we're not

00:28:47.000 going to chime

00:28:47.420 in here.

00:28:47.840 Hey guys

00:28:48.140 let's not

00:28:48.540 legislate morality.

00:28:49.820 No we don't

00:28:50.120 want to do that.

00:28:50.660 That's wrong.

00:28:51.400 We shouldn't do that.

00:28:53.640 And then they try

00:28:54.340 to make all their

00:28:54.800 arguments based

00:28:55.400 on economy

00:28:56.200 or something

00:28:57.480 like that

00:28:58.200 or even worse

00:28:58.840 based on rights

00:29:00.280 divorced from the good

00:29:01.540 and they lose

00:29:03.100 every damned time

00:29:04.460 because their arguments

00:29:05.580 are weak

00:29:06.200 and timid

00:29:06.760 and toothless

00:29:07.400 and grounded

00:29:08.260 in nothing.

00:29:09.900 If you've noticed

00:29:10.880 that you're a conservative

00:29:11.660 and you always lose

00:29:12.780 every argument

00:29:13.600 this is why

00:29:15.700 because your arguments

00:29:19.140 are terrible

00:29:20.140 and have no grounding.

00:29:28.080 Okay so that's

00:29:28.780 the first objection.

00:29:29.640 Objection number two.

00:29:30.240 In fact okay

00:29:30.740 let's go to the next objection

00:29:31.740 I just mentioned it

00:29:32.540 legislate morality.

00:29:33.600 Oh we shouldn't

00:29:33.980 legislate morality.

00:29:34.980 We now

00:29:35.360 I keep going back to this

00:29:36.720 but I don't mean

00:29:37.540 to harp on it

00:29:37.960 but just

00:29:38.460 the fact

00:29:40.720 that conservatives

00:29:41.820 are now saying

00:29:43.180 don't legislate morality

00:29:44.560 this dumb

00:29:45.880 this stupid

00:29:46.920 bumper sticker slogan

00:29:48.660 that you hear

00:29:50.020 from conservatives now

00:29:51.280 I mean

00:29:53.100 it is so depressing.

00:29:55.240 Don't legislate

00:29:55.680 of course we legislate morality.

00:29:57.620 What are you talking about?

00:29:59.460 Of course we do.

00:30:01.680 Everything

00:30:02.240 that is illegal

00:30:03.680 is illegal

00:30:05.560 because

00:30:06.180 we have decided

00:30:07.600 that it's wrong.

00:30:09.920 So

00:30:10.100 every law we make

00:30:11.880 every single

00:30:13.360 law we make

00:30:14.500 is based on

00:30:16.240 a moral conception.

00:30:18.280 We can be wrong.

00:30:19.500 Okay

00:30:19.660 we have decided

00:30:20.340 in this society

00:30:21.120 that it would be

00:30:22.460 that it's good

00:30:23.720 in fact that

00:30:24.700 it would be evil

00:30:25.580 to stop women

00:30:26.380 from killing their babies

00:30:27.120 and thus it is legal

00:30:28.040 for them to kill the babies.

00:30:29.100 So we can be wrong

00:30:30.320 with our moral conceptions

00:30:31.240 but what I'm

00:30:32.100 establishing here

00:30:33.440 is that there is

00:30:34.880 no such thing

00:30:35.860 as not legislating morality.

00:30:37.740 That is a thing

00:30:38.300 that doesn't exist

00:30:39.220 ever anywhere.

00:30:42.500 If a thing

00:30:43.520 is illegal

00:30:44.320 it is because

00:30:45.460 we have decided

00:30:46.540 or the government

00:30:47.140 has decided

00:30:47.620 that it's wrong.

00:30:49.660 If something

00:30:50.220 is not just wrong

00:30:52.640 but evil

00:30:53.120 morally evil

00:30:53.960 if something

00:30:54.900 is not morally evil

00:30:56.020 then it shouldn't be illegal.

00:30:57.820 Simple as that.

00:30:59.720 There is no

00:31:00.880 morally good thing

00:31:02.520 that should ever be

00:31:03.780 illegal.

00:31:05.900 Now

00:31:06.340 there are

00:31:07.340 morally evil things

00:31:08.860 that shouldn't

00:31:09.440 necessarily be

00:31:10.480 illegal

00:31:11.380 because you have

00:31:13.240 to take into consideration

00:31:14.340 many different factors

00:31:15.300 like how do you enforce it?

00:31:16.700 What would that entail?

00:31:18.340 Degrees of things.

00:31:20.020 Who's effective?

00:31:20.920 You do weigh

00:31:22.160 all of these things

00:31:23.080 but my point is

00:31:24.880 the only reason

00:31:26.340 why anything

00:31:27.500 is ever a candidate

00:31:29.100 for being illegal

00:31:30.180 is that it's evil.

00:31:31.100 according to

00:31:34.160 at least

00:31:34.620 the people in power.

00:31:38.020 So this

00:31:38.740 don't legislate

00:31:39.460 morality thing

00:31:40.000 I just wish

00:31:40.920 everyone would

00:31:41.440 stop saying that

00:31:42.080 because when you

00:31:42.740 say that

00:31:43.180 you reveal

00:31:43.780 that you have

00:31:44.660 no idea

00:31:45.680 why laws

00:31:46.640 even exist

00:31:47.560 and yet

00:31:48.800 you have opinions

00:31:49.420 about laws.

00:31:54.040 And I know

00:31:54.620 the response

00:31:55.000 oh no

00:31:55.480 it's not about evil

00:31:56.220 it's about

00:31:56.660 things that harm

00:31:58.420 others

00:31:58.740 should be illegal.

00:32:00.340 Yes

00:32:00.580 but why

00:32:01.420 should things

00:32:01.940 that harm

00:32:02.320 others

00:32:02.560 be illegal?

00:32:03.380 Because it's

00:32:04.080 wrong to harm

00:32:04.800 others.

00:32:05.640 If it wasn't

00:32:06.420 wrong to harm

00:32:06.920 others

00:32:07.200 then it

00:32:07.440 shouldn't

00:32:07.560 be illegal.

00:32:11.260 Objection

00:32:11.740 number three

00:32:12.140 porn is a

00:32:12.840 consensual act

00:32:13.700 between adults.

00:32:15.920 Well

00:32:16.400 I've already

00:32:19.060 addressed this

00:32:19.760 it's not an act

00:32:20.480 between adults

00:32:21.040 it's an act

00:32:21.560 that adults

00:32:22.020 partake in

00:32:22.820 and then post

00:32:23.760 on a public

00:32:24.740 forum where kids

00:32:25.500 can easily

00:32:25.940 access it.

00:32:26.520 So this

00:32:27.880 idea that

00:32:28.220 it's consensual

00:32:28.900 and private

00:32:29.480 it's not.

00:32:32.700 If you do

00:32:33.960 it in your

00:32:34.240 house and

00:32:34.900 that's it

00:32:35.440 then yeah

00:32:35.820 that's consensual

00:32:37.180 it's private

00:32:37.720 there's nothing

00:32:39.020 else to be

00:32:39.340 said about it.

00:32:41.180 But when you

00:32:42.060 take the step

00:32:42.900 of recording

00:32:43.940 it and then

00:32:45.140 putting it on

00:32:45.740 the internet

00:32:46.160 it is not

00:32:47.940 private anymore

00:32:48.640 and it's not

00:32:53.720 you are

00:32:54.620 involving now

00:32:55.460 potentially

00:32:57.120 children

00:32:57.560 who can

00:32:58.040 access it.

00:32:59.740 Also

00:33:00.080 how do you

00:33:01.000 know that

00:33:01.420 porn itself

00:33:02.100 is indeed

00:33:02.780 an act

00:33:03.180 between

00:33:03.540 consenting

00:33:04.120 adults

00:33:04.460 anyway?

00:33:05.640 You don't.

00:33:06.740 The link

00:33:07.120 between the

00:33:07.560 sex trafficking

00:33:08.120 industry and

00:33:08.860 porn is well

00:33:09.460 established.

00:33:11.000 The porn

00:33:11.400 viewer may

00:33:12.060 assume

00:33:12.800 that the

00:33:13.740 figures on

00:33:14.220 the screen

00:33:14.560 are acting

00:33:15.300 consensually

00:33:15.780 but the fact

00:33:16.200 is at least

00:33:16.860 some of the

00:33:17.180 time they're

00:33:17.960 not.

00:33:19.300 The porn

00:33:20.060 viewer may

00:33:20.520 also assume

00:33:21.200 that the

00:33:21.940 figures on

00:33:22.520 the screen

00:33:22.860 are adults

00:33:23.440 but many

00:33:24.020 times they're

00:33:24.780 not.

00:33:26.220 The viewer

00:33:26.580 simply has

00:33:27.100 no way

00:33:27.600 of knowing

00:33:28.040 whether he's

00:33:28.560 watching the

00:33:29.200 rape of a

00:33:30.120 trafficked

00:33:30.520 woman or

00:33:31.600 the abuse

00:33:32.140 of a

00:33:32.380 minor.

00:33:33.260 He could

00:33:33.860 be.

00:33:34.680 He doesn't

00:33:35.100 know.

00:33:36.680 And part

00:33:37.460 of the

00:33:37.580 problem is

00:33:37.940 he doesn't

00:33:38.160 really care.

00:33:39.800 See, he's

00:33:40.500 willing to

00:33:40.880 take that

00:33:41.240 risk as

00:33:43.200 long as he

00:33:43.520 gets his

00:33:43.840 pleasure out

00:33:44.340 of it.

00:33:45.400 So he's

00:33:45.920 looking to

00:33:46.160 get pleasure

00:33:46.600 out of

00:33:47.080 seeing this

00:33:47.580 thing on

00:33:47.880 the internet

00:33:48.220 and he

00:33:49.400 knows in

00:33:49.860 the back

00:33:50.060 of his

00:33:50.240 mind that

00:33:50.700 this woman

00:33:51.560 could be

00:33:51.840 drugged,

00:33:53.560 this person

00:33:54.360 could be a

00:33:55.120 minor, I

00:33:55.560 don't know.

00:33:57.100 But the

00:33:57.560 most important

00:33:57.900 thing for me

00:33:58.360 right now is

00:33:58.920 to get what

00:33:59.500 I want out

00:33:59.920 of it.

00:34:00.940 And so it

00:34:01.220 has this

00:34:01.520 desensitizing

00:34:02.220 effect on

00:34:02.700 the viewer

00:34:03.020 on top of

00:34:03.620 all the

00:34:03.820 other problems

00:34:04.320 where they

00:34:05.640 get used to

00:34:06.440 seeing other

00:34:07.220 people as

00:34:08.000 objects that

00:34:08.880 exist purely

00:34:10.040 for their own

00:34:10.700 enjoyment and

00:34:11.400 no other

00:34:11.680 reason.

00:34:15.880 Objection

00:34:16.360 four we're

00:34:16.760 on now.

00:34:19.140 This maybe I

00:34:19.800 should have

00:34:20.000 done number

00:34:20.320 one because

00:34:20.700 this is the

00:34:21.060 main, maybe

00:34:21.440 one of the

00:34:22.140 main things

00:34:22.500 I hear.

00:34:23.080 It's, well, we

00:34:23.780 don't need the

00:34:24.140 government to

00:34:24.640 solve this, this

00:34:25.280 is up to the

00:34:25.820 parents.

00:34:27.460 And oh, you

00:34:28.020 just want the

00:34:28.440 government to

00:34:28.900 ban it or

00:34:29.380 regulate it

00:34:29.860 because you're

00:34:30.780 a bad parent.

00:34:33.060 I don't know

00:34:33.520 how many people

00:34:33.900 told me this

00:34:34.420 weekend that if

00:34:36.000 you simply put

00:34:36.500 parental locks on

00:34:37.480 your computer,

00:34:38.200 you won't have

00:34:38.520 to worry about

00:34:38.980 it.

00:34:40.080 Now, that

00:34:40.780 would have been

00:34:41.060 a great argument

00:34:42.020 in 1996.

00:34:44.940 If we were

00:34:45.460 living in 1996,

00:34:46.660 if we just went

00:34:47.620 through a time

00:34:48.100 warp, through

00:34:48.480 some sort of

00:34:49.140 wormhole, and

00:34:49.820 we're living in

00:34:50.200 1996 again,

00:34:51.840 then yeah,

00:34:52.580 pretty much put

00:34:53.220 a parental lock

00:34:54.760 on your computer

00:34:55.320 and probably the

00:34:57.200 kid won't be

00:34:58.280 able to access it.

00:34:59.600 But I don't

00:35:00.620 think we're in,

00:35:01.120 I'm pretty sure

00:35:01.640 we're living in

00:35:02.040 2019 America

00:35:03.120 where, in fact,

00:35:05.960 the situation

00:35:06.320 now is that

00:35:07.080 parents cannot

00:35:07.760 even begin to

00:35:08.880 protect their

00:35:09.380 children or can

00:35:10.460 barely begin.

00:35:11.680 I mean, they

00:35:12.020 can, it does

00:35:12.860 matter.

00:35:13.520 So it is a

00:35:14.320 step that should

00:35:14.780 be taken, don't

00:35:15.320 get me wrong.

00:35:16.380 But parents can

00:35:17.660 barely begin to

00:35:19.220 protect their

00:35:20.020 children from

00:35:20.440 porn simply

00:35:21.340 by locking

00:35:21.860 down their

00:35:22.300 family computer,

00:35:24.140 putting locks

00:35:24.660 on the phone,

00:35:25.400 or not giving

00:35:26.420 the kid a phone

00:35:26.960 in the first

00:35:27.300 place, which I

00:35:28.320 highly recommend.

00:35:29.880 My kids don't

00:35:30.460 have phones.

00:35:33.820 But porn is

00:35:34.800 so pervasive

00:35:35.420 now, so

00:35:35.980 widespread, that

00:35:37.200 a parent cannot

00:35:38.020 possibly shield

00:35:39.160 their kid from

00:35:39.800 it permanently.

00:35:40.780 It only takes

00:35:42.740 one friend

00:35:44.080 with a phone,

00:35:45.800 one friend

00:35:46.820 with a laptop,

00:35:47.960 one unsupervised

00:35:49.080 moment on a

00:35:49.700 computer or a

00:35:50.380 laptop at school.

00:35:51.300 You don't know

00:35:51.600 how many parents

00:35:52.160 have told me,

00:35:53.620 many schools,

00:35:55.780 most schools,

00:35:56.320 all schools

00:35:56.840 these days,

00:35:57.900 require kids

00:35:58.860 to have, to

00:35:59.920 use computers

00:36:00.540 at school.

00:36:01.560 You don't know

00:36:02.160 how many parents

00:36:02.580 have told me

00:36:03.020 that their own

00:36:04.400 kids or kids

00:36:05.460 they know

00:36:05.880 have access

00:36:07.260 porn at school

00:36:08.320 on these

00:36:09.160 computers that

00:36:09.840 somehow are

00:36:10.700 not locked

00:36:11.980 down, or the

00:36:12.640 kids know how

00:36:13.020 to bypass

00:36:13.820 the controls.

00:36:15.840 So you could

00:36:16.720 be the best

00:36:17.440 parent in the

00:36:18.260 world, you

00:36:19.160 could be the

00:36:19.440 most attentive

00:36:20.160 parent, the

00:36:21.320 most disciplined

00:36:22.480 and loving

00:36:22.960 parent, and

00:36:24.900 your 12-year-old

00:36:25.860 could still

00:36:27.280 access, view,

00:36:28.200 and be corrupted

00:36:28.780 by hardcore

00:36:29.440 internet porn.

00:36:30.380 That is the

00:36:31.400 reality of our

00:36:31.980 current situation.

00:36:33.620 So if there's a

00:36:34.680 solution that does

00:36:35.300 not involve

00:36:35.760 government, I'm

00:36:36.460 all ears, but

00:36:37.440 don't tell me

00:36:38.220 the solution

00:36:38.740 is putting

00:36:39.200 parental locks

00:36:40.000 on phones.

00:36:42.260 The problem

00:36:43.160 is so massive,

00:36:44.120 so big, and

00:36:44.620 so serious, that

00:36:45.520 it is beyond

00:36:46.320 the capacity

00:36:47.200 of any one

00:36:48.640 parent to

00:36:49.260 solve, or

00:36:50.760 even sufficiently

00:36:51.580 address in the

00:36:52.760 case of their

00:36:53.260 own individual

00:36:53.780 child.

00:36:55.620 The reason

00:36:56.480 governments are

00:36:57.180 instituted among

00:36:58.080 men is that

00:36:58.860 there are some

00:36:59.420 things individuals

00:37:00.980 cannot do on

00:37:02.020 their own.

00:37:04.480 Okay?

00:37:05.140 I mean, if we

00:37:06.480 want to stop an

00:37:07.180 invasion by a

00:37:07.940 foreign power,

00:37:08.880 I can't do

00:37:10.380 that.

00:37:11.980 And I could

00:37:12.640 probably get

00:37:13.000 some of my

00:37:13.740 friends together,

00:37:14.460 but we're not

00:37:15.280 going to do a

00:37:15.680 great job.

00:37:16.160 That's something

00:37:16.760 that we need the

00:37:17.280 government to do.

00:37:19.540 If we could do

00:37:20.200 everything on our

00:37:20.740 own, then we

00:37:21.560 would have no

00:37:22.360 government.

00:37:22.760 We'd be living in

00:37:23.320 an anarchist

00:37:24.100 utopia, but we're

00:37:25.340 not.

00:37:27.040 There's some

00:37:27.640 things that we

00:37:28.340 cannot do on

00:37:29.620 our own, and

00:37:30.320 that's why we

00:37:31.020 have a government.

00:37:31.460 And what I'm

00:37:34.520 saying is that

00:37:35.080 fighting the

00:37:35.580 porn epidemic is

00:37:36.500 one of those

00:37:37.060 things, and

00:37:37.640 nobody has

00:37:38.540 convinced me

00:37:39.040 otherwise.

00:37:41.640 The next

00:37:42.220 objection, well,

00:37:43.060 you can't ban

00:37:43.740 porn because the

00:37:44.340 Supreme Court

00:37:44.740 found that it's

00:37:45.260 protected under the

00:37:45.880 First Amendment.

00:37:47.400 Okay, now, even

00:37:48.100 if this were true,

00:37:49.460 it wouldn't change

00:37:50.120 my position.

00:37:50.660 You also can't

00:37:52.140 right now ban

00:37:53.060 abortion because the

00:37:54.100 Supreme Court

00:37:54.540 discovered in the

00:37:55.680 Constitution,

00:37:56.860 looking through

00:37:58.020 some sort of

00:37:59.180 decoder ring

00:37:59.940 looking at

00:38:00.940 the invisible

00:38:01.360 ink, they

00:38:02.160 discovered a

00:38:02.680 right to

00:38:02.980 abortion.

00:38:04.660 The Supreme

00:38:05.260 Court can be

00:38:06.000 wrong and has

00:38:06.680 been wrong many

00:38:07.220 times.

00:38:07.860 So my position

00:38:08.680 in principle

00:38:09.180 doesn't change

00:38:09.740 based on what

00:38:10.120 the Supreme

00:38:10.420 Court said.

00:38:11.640 If I think

00:38:12.320 something is

00:38:12.720 evil and should

00:38:13.940 be illegal and

00:38:15.220 is not protected

00:38:15.920 by the First

00:38:17.340 Amendment, I'm

00:38:18.240 not going to

00:38:18.560 suddenly say,

00:38:19.140 well, I guess

00:38:19.560 I was wrong

00:38:20.060 because some

00:38:21.440 people in

00:38:21.860 black robes

00:38:22.440 said so.

00:38:23.640 They can be

00:38:25.320 wrong, and in

00:38:26.140 this case, I

00:38:26.860 think they are.

00:38:28.620 Despite what

00:38:29.260 any robed

00:38:30.100 figure may

00:38:30.840 claim, I

00:38:31.800 don't think

00:38:32.720 that porn is

00:38:33.380 speech.

00:38:34.480 Having sex

00:38:35.020 on camera is

00:38:35.860 not speech.

00:38:37.200 Speech

00:38:37.580 communicates a

00:38:38.720 discernible,

00:38:39.620 coherent idea.

00:38:41.240 There is no

00:38:41.760 idea being

00:38:42.700 communicated or

00:38:43.540 conveyed by

00:38:44.160 porn.

00:38:44.500 It's just

00:38:44.780 porn.

00:38:45.460 It's there to

00:38:46.100 appeal to the

00:38:46.700 basest parts of

00:38:47.440 us.

00:38:47.620 It's not there

00:38:48.060 to engage us

00:38:48.660 intellectually or

00:38:49.580 make a point or

00:38:50.240 send a message.

00:38:51.380 It's not

00:38:51.720 speech.

00:38:53.240 A guy

00:38:53.900 masturbating on

00:38:54.580 a park bench

00:38:55.220 is not engaged

00:38:56.560 in speech.

00:38:57.020 speech, put a

00:38:57.960 camera in front

00:38:58.540 of him, and

00:38:59.400 live stream it on

00:39:00.060 the internet, and

00:39:01.280 all of a sudden

00:39:01.740 it's speech now?

00:39:02.840 What?

00:39:03.500 That's insane.

00:39:04.300 It doesn't make

00:39:04.720 any sense.

00:39:06.740 I made this

00:39:07.440 point and people

00:39:07.900 said, oh, that's

00:39:08.480 crazy, that's so

00:39:09.020 dumb.

00:39:09.260 A guy masturbating

00:39:10.200 on a park bench

00:39:10.760 is totally

00:39:11.320 different from

00:39:12.000 people, because

00:39:13.240 people choose to

00:39:14.120 access porn, whereas

00:39:15.060 they wouldn't

00:39:15.520 necessarily choose

00:39:16.240 to see the guy

00:39:17.680 on the bench.

00:39:18.080 Okay, but first

00:39:18.520 of all, I'm

00:39:19.600 making a point

00:39:20.180 about the act

00:39:20.900 itself.

00:39:21.420 The act

00:39:21.820 itself.

00:39:22.900 If sex or

00:39:23.540 masturbation is

00:39:24.380 speech when

00:39:25.260 filmed, then

00:39:27.020 then it would

00:39:27.880 also be speech

00:39:28.700 when it's not

00:39:29.200 filmed.

00:39:29.900 Can you think

00:39:30.420 of any other

00:39:31.240 thing that is

00:39:32.340 only speech if

00:39:33.440 it's broadcast to

00:39:34.360 billions of

00:39:34.860 people, but it

00:39:36.640 wouldn't be

00:39:37.080 speech if you

00:39:37.820 just said it or

00:39:39.140 did it in front

00:39:39.800 of ten people?

00:39:41.380 It doesn't make

00:39:42.100 any sense.

00:39:42.880 If the act is

00:39:44.280 speech, it is

00:39:45.060 speech no matter

00:39:46.000 if there's a

00:39:46.500 camera there or

00:39:47.160 not.

00:39:48.560 Period.

00:39:49.040 So if you're

00:39:51.180 telling me that

00:39:51.940 porn is speech,

00:39:52.820 then you cannot

00:39:53.960 escape the fact

00:39:55.400 that two people

00:39:57.220 having sex

00:39:57.820 publicly are

00:39:58.780 engaged in

00:39:59.380 speech.

00:40:00.440 Now, what you

00:40:01.000 might say is

00:40:01.840 that that's bad

00:40:03.900 speech that should

00:40:04.620 be restricted,

00:40:05.600 whereas porn is

00:40:06.420 not.

00:40:08.900 But, you see,

00:40:09.820 when you make,

00:40:10.240 and this is why

00:40:10.640 you don't want to

00:40:11.060 make that argument,

00:40:11.680 this is why you

00:40:12.100 want to try to

00:40:12.580 pretend that one

00:40:13.200 is speech and

00:40:13.660 one isn't, even

00:40:14.280 though that makes

00:40:14.840 no sense.

00:40:15.920 But, you don't

00:40:18.800 want to make

00:40:19.120 that, you don't

00:40:20.060 want to say,

00:40:20.380 okay, yeah, but

00:40:20.820 that's speech that

00:40:21.660 should be

00:40:21.940 restricted, because

00:40:23.760 now you've

00:40:24.360 admitted that,

00:40:26.180 okay, there

00:40:26.560 could be

00:40:27.280 scenarios where

00:40:29.060 people are doing

00:40:29.960 this and it

00:40:30.580 should be

00:40:30.820 restricted.

00:40:31.700 You don't want

00:40:32.360 to admit that.

00:40:34.420 And also, as

00:40:35.260 I've covered now

00:40:35.760 multiple times,

00:40:36.800 children do not

00:40:37.580 have the capacity

00:40:38.380 to consent.

00:40:39.200 And so, the

00:40:40.000 millions of

00:40:40.460 children who

00:40:40.880 access porn,

00:40:41.860 access that

00:40:42.560 content, they

00:40:45.180 did not

00:40:45.620 consent to

00:40:46.180 it.

00:40:47.320 Unless we're

00:40:47.920 saying now that

00:40:48.640 11-year-olds can

00:40:49.480 consent, which I'm

00:40:52.240 sure this is where

00:40:52.820 this is headed.

00:40:55.000 And so, if you're

00:40:55.800 on board, if you're

00:40:56.540 one of the porn

00:40:57.080 defenders, you're

00:40:57.780 on board with the

00:40:58.420 people who are

00:40:59.000 working towards

00:40:59.660 the normalization

00:41:02.420 and legalization of

00:41:03.220 pedophilia, because

00:41:03.860 what you're saying

00:41:04.600 is that 11-year-olds

00:41:06.480 can consent to

00:41:07.440 view porn.

00:41:08.940 And if they can

00:41:09.620 consent to view

00:41:10.160 porn, then it's

00:41:10.740 not that far from

00:41:11.700 saying they can

00:41:12.480 consent to do the

00:41:13.560 things that are

00:41:14.380 being portrayed in

00:41:15.000 the porn.

00:41:16.640 What I'm saying

00:41:17.420 is, I don't

00:41:18.360 think they can

00:41:18.740 consent to any

00:41:19.340 of it.

00:41:19.820 I don't think

00:41:20.240 they can

00:41:20.540 psychologize, I

00:41:21.140 don't think they

00:41:21.440 have the mental

00:41:22.240 capacity to

00:41:22.820 consent to any

00:41:23.420 of it.

00:41:26.140 So, if

00:41:27.280 children cannot

00:41:28.160 really consent

00:41:29.200 to view porn,

00:41:31.560 and you put that

00:41:33.780 porn on the

00:41:34.160 internet, and a

00:41:34.700 children's child

00:41:35.420 sees it, whose

00:41:37.080 fault is it?

00:41:39.840 It's not the

00:41:40.420 child's.

00:41:45.000 Now, as it

00:41:47.040 happens, though,

00:41:47.460 actually, the

00:41:47.820 Supreme Court has

00:41:48.680 not ruled out

00:41:49.380 regulation or even

00:41:50.400 criminalization of

00:41:51.220 many forms of

00:41:51.880 porn.

00:41:52.040 In fact, there

00:41:52.420 are obscenity laws

00:41:53.420 already on the

00:41:54.120 books that can be

00:41:55.560 enforced, could be

00:41:57.580 used to prosecute

00:41:58.440 hardcore

00:41:58.880 pornographers.

00:42:00.660 And that's what

00:42:01.700 started all this.

00:42:02.600 There are laws right

00:42:03.640 now that could be

00:42:04.320 used.

00:42:05.360 Also, there are

00:42:05.920 steps you could

00:42:06.360 take, the

00:42:07.020 government could

00:42:07.620 take, to

00:42:08.020 heavily regulate,

00:42:09.420 disincentivize,

00:42:11.640 segregate pornography,

00:42:12.680 stuff like, for

00:42:13.360 example, an opt-in

00:42:14.660 thing where if you

00:42:16.320 want your service

00:42:16.980 provider to provide

00:42:18.520 porn to you, you

00:42:19.620 got to call them

00:42:20.220 up and say, I

00:42:21.460 want to opt-in to

00:42:22.120 the porn.

00:42:24.520 And then the

00:42:26.200 porn will be

00:42:26.620 relegated to like

00:42:27.480 a .xxx domain

00:42:30.680 rather than .com,

00:42:32.060 things like that.

00:42:34.040 Now, and that all

00:42:34.960 is constitutional.

00:42:36.300 We could do all

00:42:36.760 that.

00:42:37.440 That doesn't

00:42:38.080 constitute an

00:42:38.560 all-out ban, but

00:42:40.280 as far as this

00:42:41.100 goes,

00:42:41.400 if your response

00:42:43.760 to me is, well,

00:42:44.840 I don't think we

00:42:45.240 can do an all-out

00:42:45.760 ban, but let's

00:42:46.500 do this instead,

00:42:47.280 I'm going to say,

00:42:48.000 sure, I mean, I'm

00:42:48.880 all about incremental

00:42:49.840 gains when it

00:42:50.500 comes to this.

00:42:51.260 So that's better

00:42:51.900 than nothing.

00:42:52.400 Let's start with

00:42:52.940 that.

00:42:53.620 I still think in

00:42:54.420 principle, ultimately,

00:42:55.540 our goal is what

00:42:57.420 I've been talking

00:42:57.760 about, but if we

00:42:58.480 want to start

00:42:58.880 here, fine.

00:42:59.520 I have no qualms

00:43:01.080 about that.

00:43:02.020 Let's start there,

00:43:02.960 sure.

00:43:04.740 And we can do

00:43:06.020 that.

00:43:07.860 The next

00:43:08.440 objection.

00:43:09.200 Well, so you

00:43:10.000 want to ban

00:43:10.820 porn, but

00:43:11.380 not guns?

00:43:12.660 You're such a

00:43:13.280 hypocrite.

00:43:14.280 Can't tell you

00:43:14.820 how many times

00:43:15.180 I've heard

00:43:15.440 this, which

00:43:16.940 is like

00:43:17.320 accusing me of

00:43:17.980 being a

00:43:18.300 hypocrite because

00:43:19.520 you catch me

00:43:20.080 eating a steak

00:43:20.880 after I just

00:43:22.340 got through

00:43:22.700 explaining that

00:43:23.380 we shouldn't

00:43:23.800 eat diapers.

00:43:25.700 And you

00:43:26.220 say, oh, so

00:43:27.340 now you think

00:43:28.080 it's okay to

00:43:28.660 eat things.

00:43:29.720 Look at you,

00:43:30.120 you big hypocrite.

00:43:32.380 You're going

00:43:32.940 around saying

00:43:33.380 don't eat

00:43:33.800 things, and

00:43:34.180 here you are

00:43:34.540 eating something.

00:43:36.580 Except that I

00:43:37.380 never said we

00:43:38.260 shouldn't eat

00:43:38.720 anything.

00:43:40.180 I singled

00:43:40.940 out a

00:43:41.300 particular thing

00:43:42.220 and said we

00:43:42.660 shouldn't eat

00:43:43.160 that.

00:43:44.040 And I had

00:43:44.620 very good

00:43:44.940 reasons for

00:43:45.360 saying it.

00:43:47.140 Likewise, I

00:43:47.920 never said we

00:43:48.500 shouldn't ban

00:43:49.140 anything.

00:43:51.000 I just said we

00:43:51.800 shouldn't ban

00:43:52.260 guns.

00:43:53.960 And plenty of

00:43:54.700 other things we

00:43:55.080 shouldn't ban

00:43:55.400 also.

00:43:55.740 But guns are

00:43:56.460 protected by the

00:43:57.040 Bill of Rights.

00:43:57.920 Specifically,

00:43:59.060 porn is not.

00:44:00.220 Guns are a

00:44:00.760 tool that can be

00:44:01.900 used to protect

00:44:02.640 our liberty.

00:44:03.640 Porn is not.

00:44:04.820 Guns have many

00:44:05.540 positive applications.

00:44:06.800 Porn does not.

00:44:08.060 A gun is a

00:44:08.800 morally neutral

00:44:09.520 object whose

00:44:11.040 dangers or

00:44:12.060 benefits are

00:44:12.600 determined entirely

00:44:13.520 by the person

00:44:14.160 using it.

00:44:15.560 Porn, on the

00:44:16.380 other hand, is

00:44:16.880 morally debased

00:44:17.560 filth with no

00:44:18.700 redeeming quality

00:44:19.340 and there is no

00:44:19.900 positive application

00:44:20.600 for it whatsoever.

00:44:22.380 So, these are two

00:44:23.600 very different

00:44:24.860 things.

00:44:25.880 And there is no

00:44:27.040 contradiction at

00:44:28.860 all between saying

00:44:29.960 one should be

00:44:30.520 banned and the

00:44:30.900 other not.

00:44:31.240 Kat Kempf is a

00:44:34.260 Fox News

00:44:34.860 personality.

00:44:36.000 She made a

00:44:36.520 version of this

00:44:37.040 argument to me

00:44:38.040 on Saturday.

00:44:38.920 She was, by the

00:44:39.540 way, very upset

00:44:40.100 with the idea of

00:44:41.000 regulating or

00:44:41.680 banning porn.

00:44:42.340 So, she's a big,

00:44:43.020 you know, she's

00:44:43.300 really, really,

00:44:44.380 really upset her.

00:44:45.220 And she sent a

00:44:46.320 whole bunch of

00:44:46.640 tweets attacking

00:44:48.120 me for it.

00:44:49.400 And just, you

00:44:50.740 know, another

00:44:51.680 great spokesperson

00:44:53.440 for conservatism

00:44:54.320 here.

00:44:54.660 A great, great

00:44:55.340 thoughtful thinker

00:44:56.200 and everything.

00:44:56.740 She said, this

00:44:57.320 was her argument.

00:44:57.920 She said, to be

00:44:58.680 clear, with this

00:44:59.480 logic, you're

00:45:00.340 arguing that

00:45:00.900 anything that

00:45:01.480 isn't suitable

00:45:01.980 for children

00:45:02.480 should be

00:45:02.920 banned from

00:45:03.340 the internet.

00:45:06.500 Oh, Lord.

00:45:08.160 No.

00:45:09.160 And this is

00:45:09.700 someone who

00:45:10.020 gets paid

00:45:10.800 to communicate

00:45:14.420 ideas.

00:45:16.080 And this is

00:45:17.480 how she

00:45:17.960 interprets.

00:45:19.640 No, I

00:45:20.280 didn't say

00:45:20.640 that.

00:45:21.400 Just because

00:45:21.920 I'm arguing

00:45:22.480 that one

00:45:23.260 unsuitable

00:45:23.900 thing should

00:45:24.360 be banned

00:45:24.780 doesn't mean

00:45:25.940 that I think

00:45:26.420 all unsuitable

00:45:27.300 things should

00:45:27.700 be banned.

00:45:28.080 And I'm

00:45:29.800 not making

00:45:30.400 the argument.

00:45:31.220 I'm not

00:45:31.580 saying it's

00:45:32.160 unsuitable,

00:45:32.780 therefore it

00:45:33.120 should be

00:45:33.280 banned.

00:45:34.100 I'm being

00:45:34.740 much more

00:45:35.440 specific than

00:45:36.260 that.

00:45:37.480 There are

00:45:38.120 many stipulations

00:45:39.760 I am making

00:45:40.380 here.

00:45:42.120 It's not as

00:45:42.920 simple as

00:45:43.400 porn is

00:45:43.860 unsuitable.

00:45:44.920 That's not

00:45:45.600 the word that

00:45:46.180 I would use

00:45:46.600 to describe

00:45:47.040 it.

00:45:48.000 I mean, it

00:45:48.360 is that, but

00:45:49.340 it's also many

00:45:50.060 other things as

00:45:50.700 well.

00:45:52.660 So,

00:45:53.660 documentaries

00:45:54.540 about the

00:45:55.160 killing field

00:45:55.640 in Cambodia.

00:45:56.960 Those also

00:45:57.580 are unsuitable

00:45:58.380 for children.

00:45:58.860 Should they

00:45:59.100 be banned

00:45:59.420 from the

00:45:59.640 internet?

00:46:00.880 Well, why

00:46:01.760 ban porn

00:46:02.420 but not

00:46:02.720 educational

00:46:03.240 documentaries?

00:46:04.100 Well, because

00:46:04.520 there are

00:46:04.820 literally dozens

00:46:05.660 of ways in

00:46:06.320 which porn

00:46:06.820 and documentaries

00:46:07.480 can be

00:46:08.260 distinguished

00:46:08.780 as any

00:46:11.200 reasonable

00:46:11.840 person

00:46:12.280 understands.

00:46:15.280 And governing

00:46:16.140 is all about

00:46:17.060 drawing these

00:46:17.780 kinds of

00:46:18.160 distinctions.

00:46:20.500 The next

00:46:21.180 argument, oh,

00:46:21.800 it's a slippery

00:46:22.280 slope.

00:46:23.940 What are you

00:46:24.520 worried that we

00:46:25.040 might slip

00:46:25.580 into?

00:46:26.120 Decency?

00:46:27.040 We could be

00:46:28.760 slipping and

00:46:29.420 sliding into a

00:46:30.220 world where

00:46:30.960 people are

00:46:32.700 decent.

00:46:34.900 What exactly

00:46:35.760 is the worst

00:46:36.260 case scenario

00:46:36.860 here?

00:46:37.720 That the

00:46:38.420 anti-porn law

00:46:39.320 may be used

00:46:40.040 against TV

00:46:40.640 networks that

00:46:41.280 broadcast obscene

00:46:42.260 content?

00:46:43.740 Well, okay.

00:46:46.080 Why should that

00:46:46.940 be such a

00:46:47.300 horrific outcome?

00:46:49.480 There are

00:46:50.080 already a bunch

00:46:50.680 of laws

00:46:51.020 determining

00:46:51.760 what TV

00:46:55.200 networks can

00:46:55.720 broadcast.

00:46:56.940 Is that a

00:46:57.660 slippery slope?

00:46:58.580 I mean, you

00:46:59.140 can't turn on

00:46:59.800 ABC at

00:47:01.140 8pm on a

00:47:02.300 Tuesday and

00:47:03.780 watch two

00:47:04.500 people naked

00:47:05.200 having sex.

00:47:06.660 Is that a

00:47:07.440 slippery slope?

00:47:08.100 Are you worried

00:47:08.620 that we're teetering

00:47:09.660 on the edge of

00:47:10.200 tyranny because of

00:47:10.940 that?

00:47:11.140 porn is a

00:47:16.080 severely toxic

00:47:16.820 thing that

00:47:17.240 has a

00:47:17.480 profound and

00:47:17.960 lasting impact

00:47:18.540 on children

00:47:18.900 and adults

00:47:19.440 that is

00:47:20.220 pervasive and

00:47:20.880 readily accessible

00:47:21.500 by the click

00:47:22.060 of a button

00:47:22.440 and that has

00:47:23.380 no positive

00:47:24.140 or neutral

00:47:24.640 application.

00:47:25.380 In other

00:47:25.620 words, there's

00:47:26.880 really nothing

00:47:27.340 else like it.

00:47:29.200 For the most

00:47:29.780 part, there

00:47:30.360 isn't anything

00:47:30.880 else in this

00:47:31.640 category.

00:47:33.480 A slippery

00:47:34.160 slope is when

00:47:34.840 you ban one

00:47:36.020 thing in a

00:47:37.300 certain category,

00:47:38.120 but there are

00:47:39.400 a bunch of

00:47:39.840 other things

00:47:40.240 in that very

00:47:40.920 same category

00:47:41.540 that are almost

00:47:42.160 identical to it

00:47:42.980 and now it's

00:47:44.480 okay, well now

00:47:45.000 we're going to

00:47:45.260 ban all that

00:47:45.720 too.

00:47:46.000 So that's a

00:47:46.360 slippery slope.

00:47:46.940 But porn, I

00:47:47.860 think, kind of

00:47:48.460 stands alone.

00:47:49.020 Everyone sort

00:47:49.620 of knows what

00:47:50.020 it is and

00:47:51.580 I don't think

00:47:54.240 anyone's been

00:47:54.600 watching a porn

00:47:55.260 ever and for a

00:47:57.200 minute been

00:47:57.500 confused about,

00:47:58.260 wait, is this

00:47:58.580 a documentary?

00:48:01.200 Or is this a

00:48:02.060 Martin Scorsese

00:48:02.660 film?

00:48:03.760 No, I think

00:48:04.440 when you look at

00:48:04.880 porn, you know

00:48:05.540 it when you see

00:48:05.960 it.

00:48:07.200 To a

00:48:08.120 paraphrase.

00:48:13.740 Let's see, what

00:48:14.480 else?

00:48:15.140 I think I've

00:48:15.520 covered everything.

00:48:18.500 Banning porn

00:48:19.180 would infringe

00:48:19.700 on rights.

00:48:20.780 I already

00:48:21.060 covered this, I

00:48:21.900 think, many

00:48:22.220 times.

00:48:23.360 You know, that

00:48:24.740 kid, CJ

00:48:25.320 Pearson, big

00:48:26.640 following on

00:48:27.180 the right, told

00:48:28.880 me that it's

00:48:29.420 tyranny to stop

00:48:31.020 people from

00:48:31.560 posting hardcore

00:48:32.460 sex videos on

00:48:33.100 the internet.

00:48:33.580 Tyranny.

00:48:34.940 Tyranny.

00:48:36.700 I just cannot

00:48:37.540 emphasize enough

00:48:38.180 what a radically

00:48:39.080 left-wing argument

00:48:40.200 that is, coming

00:48:41.240 now from so-called

00:48:42.000 conservatives.

00:48:44.060 Tyranny?

00:48:45.380 You're telling me

00:48:46.080 you'd be oppressed

00:48:47.800 and tyrannized if

00:48:50.260 you weren't able

00:48:50.860 to take a sex

00:48:52.420 video and put it

00:48:52.900 on the internet.

00:48:53.260 And as for

00:48:58.840 rights, you know, I

00:48:59.580 would just ask

00:49:00.460 again, where do

00:49:02.180 you think you get

00:49:02.740 this right from to

00:49:03.780 make porn or

00:49:04.900 watch it?

00:49:05.980 The founder's

00:49:06.660 conception of

00:49:07.140 right was that

00:49:07.580 they're inherent to

00:49:08.220 our human nature

00:49:08.860 and given to us

00:49:09.560 by God.

00:49:09.980 So do you think

00:49:10.900 that this is

00:49:11.380 inherent to our

00:49:12.260 human nature?

00:49:14.760 If you weren't

00:49:15.500 able to do

00:49:16.000 this, would you

00:49:16.460 be deprived of

00:49:17.580 something that is

00:49:18.380 essential to your

00:49:19.540 nature as a

00:49:20.420 human being?

00:49:20.860 I don't think

00:49:23.980 you can make

00:49:24.220 that argument.

00:49:25.420 Finally, I

00:49:26.020 think, you know

00:49:28.420 what the real

00:49:29.260 objection is?

00:49:30.180 I've gone through

00:49:30.860 all the objections

00:49:31.640 people throw at me

00:49:32.420 and I think that

00:49:33.340 pretty much is all

00:49:34.000 of them.

00:49:34.420 Maybe there's

00:49:34.740 something else.

00:49:35.180 You can email

00:49:35.600 me if you have

00:49:36.100 it.

00:49:39.900 Finally, I think

00:49:41.760 it really boils

00:49:42.280 down for most

00:49:42.780 people to, well,

00:49:45.360 I don't want

00:49:45.880 porn banned because

00:49:46.880 I personally enjoy

00:49:47.940 it.

00:49:48.880 And I think

00:49:49.260 most people,

00:49:50.220 they make

00:49:51.180 other arguments

00:49:51.860 but that's

00:49:52.600 really what

00:49:53.160 their argument

00:49:53.600 is.

00:49:56.740 And at

00:49:59.580 least if you

00:49:59.960 came out and

00:50:00.400 just said that,

00:50:00.900 it'd be honest.

00:50:02.940 And I wish

00:50:03.540 more people

00:50:03.940 would.

00:50:06.800 Because that's

00:50:07.760 the one thing

00:50:08.180 that you notice

00:50:08.560 when you talk

00:50:08.980 about this issue.

00:50:09.740 People get so

00:50:10.600 defensive and

00:50:12.800 so angry.

00:50:14.160 Like, it

00:50:14.680 shouldn't make

00:50:15.100 you angry.

00:50:16.520 Okay?

00:50:17.500 At the very

00:50:18.960 least, if I'm

00:50:19.520 talking about

00:50:20.120 hardcore pornography

00:50:20.840 and, you

00:50:22.220 know, me

00:50:23.220 insulting or

00:50:24.260 attacking hardcore

00:50:25.000 porn shouldn't

00:50:26.160 make you angry.

00:50:27.780 And if it does,

00:50:29.200 then I think

00:50:30.120 that's a really

00:50:30.640 good indication

00:50:31.340 that you are

00:50:32.960 far too attached

00:50:33.900 to this and

00:50:35.460 addicted to it.

00:50:36.560 Or you have a

00:50:37.640 severe compulsion

00:50:38.440 to it.

00:50:40.740 Which really

00:50:41.760 only proves my

00:50:42.880 point even more.

00:50:43.880 it proves how

00:50:45.840 insidious this

00:50:46.680 stuff is and

00:50:48.500 what a toxic

00:50:49.060 effect it has

00:50:49.840 on people and

00:50:50.920 on society.

00:50:52.200 And so

00:50:52.440 ironically,

00:50:53.440 most of the

00:50:55.140 people who've

00:50:55.560 been coming

00:50:55.840 after me about

00:50:56.480 this are

00:50:58.380 accidentally

00:50:58.980 proving my

00:51:00.440 point all

00:51:01.120 the way.

00:51:03.340 By reacting

00:51:04.400 like Gollum

00:51:05.240 when the ring

00:51:06.320 is taken

00:51:06.760 from him,

00:51:07.980 you know,

00:51:08.200 they're only

00:51:11.520 showing that

00:51:12.200 this is why.

00:51:16.740 This is what

00:51:17.420 it does to

00:51:17.920 you.

00:51:20.520 All right.

00:51:22.140 So there's

00:51:22.720 my argument.

00:51:24.560 And I will

00:51:27.040 invite you to,

00:51:28.220 if you've

00:51:29.120 listened to all

00:51:29.620 of us by now,

00:51:30.260 I would invite

00:51:30.620 you to do

00:51:31.660 your best to

00:51:32.200 tear it apart

00:51:32.940 and send me

00:51:34.080 emails.

00:51:34.940 I think it's

00:51:35.360 an important

00:51:35.620 conversation to

00:51:36.180 have at least.

00:51:36.540 And I'm glad

00:51:36.940 at the very

00:51:37.780 least that

00:51:38.140 we're having

00:51:38.460 the conversation.

00:51:40.000 And as I

00:51:40.540 said at the

00:51:40.840 top, I

00:51:43.580 think maybe

00:51:44.520 we can agree

00:51:45.520 that even if

00:51:47.460 you don't think

00:51:47.680 it's an important

00:51:48.100 conversation,

00:51:49.260 maybe it's a

00:51:51.500 good change of

00:51:52.000 pace from

00:51:52.300 talking about

00:51:52.680 impeachment all

00:51:53.220 the time.

00:51:54.060 All right.

00:51:54.580 We'll leave it

00:51:55.080 there.

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00:51:55.680 everybody,

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