The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 387 - Actress Insists She's Happy After Abortion, Nobody Is Fooled

00:00:00.320 Welcome to the show, everybody. Here we are now, 15 days, it is 15, right? 15 days until Christmas.

00:00:06.420 And a quick reminder that if you don't have your tree and your Christmas decorations up by now,

00:00:13.100 you are officially a part of the war on Christmas. You are waging a war on Christmas.

00:00:18.960 You are a belligerent on the side of the anti-Christmas army. That's what you're doing.

00:00:23.520 And, I mean, think about it. Starbucks. Okay, Starbucks had their Christmas stuff up, or their holiday stuff anyway,

00:00:31.680 but we all know what they're doing. They had it up before Thanksgiving.

00:00:35.420 Are you really going to let Starbucks—are you going to be out-Christmased by Starbucks, of all things?

00:00:41.800 Christians always complain about Starbucks, but they've got more Christmas spirit than 90% of Christians today. 0.96

00:00:48.740 It's a disgrace. I can tell you, in my neighborhood, very few of the houses right now—and here we are, December 10th, right? 0.55

00:00:57.900 We are well into December. We are—I mean, we've already lost a week of December.

00:01:04.060 And many—most of the houses in my neighborhood, no decoration—not even a wreath on the door.

00:01:09.480 Except for one house that has inflatables, and that's really—the inflatable decorations are even more offensive than having no decoration at all,

00:01:16.620 which is why, under my regime, of course, every house, Christian or not, will be required to decorate for Christmas.

00:01:26.420 And the displays must include white Christmas lights, a nativity scene, inflatables are banned, colored lights are banned,

00:01:36.940 Christmas cheer is mandatory, because I'm going to end the war on Christmas with an iron fist.

00:01:42.620 And look, I'm not saying that you can't add additional decorations to go along with the white Christmas lights in the nativity scene.

00:01:50.420 In fact, you should.

00:01:52.000 But the white lights in the nativity are staples, and everything has to sort of work with that.

00:01:57.960 It has to be harmonious.

00:01:59.720 And agents from my merriment enforcement department, MED for short, will conduct, of course, random checks

00:02:06.160 and make sure that your display is tasteful and it all works together.

00:02:10.000 And if it isn't, then your house will be bulldozed on the spot with all of the inhabitants still inside.

00:02:18.220 And again, this is all just being done to make sure that everybody has a nice Christmas.

00:02:23.800 But you have to break a few eggs to make an eggnog, as they say.

00:02:28.360 All right, so we have a lot to talk about today.

00:02:31.240 Obviously, yesterday was a show dedicated to the porn problem and me explaining my arguments for banning or regulating porn.

00:02:38.000 And as you might expect, tons of feedback on that, tons of emails about it.

00:02:43.080 And actually, I've been very surprised by the emails from the show I did yesterday.

00:02:49.040 Pleasantly surprised.

00:02:50.580 Whereas the response on Twitter, if you go to Twitter, you can still see it.

00:02:53.780 It's 95% negative, the response there, if not 99%.

00:03:00.340 And the feedback on, I've written now two pieces, about two columns for thedailywire.com.

00:03:05.720 And the feedback on those articles, if you read the comments, again, like 95% negative.

00:03:13.500 But the emails that I got at mattwalshowatgmail.com, the emails that I got after the show I did yesterday,

00:03:20.580 by and large, very positive.

00:03:22.120 Lots of men who say they struggle with porn addictions and agree with me.

00:03:27.580 Lots of women whose husbands and sons have been caught up in it and also agree that it's a problem that needs to be addressed. 0.97

00:03:34.640 So that feedback has been pretty fascinating.

00:03:38.480 And the difference in the feedback from, you know, one forum to the next has been interesting as well.

00:03:45.340 I don't know exactly how to account for it, other than to say that maybe the people who are anti-porn are ironically in our culture in a situation where they feel ashamed to say it publicly.

00:03:58.860 So the people who are pro-porn, they have no shame about saying, oh, I love porn.

00:04:03.120 Porn's great. 0.89

00:04:03.960 And they'll say it publicly. 0.73

00:04:05.020 They'll write it on the internet.

00:04:05.900 But the people who are against it are the ones hiding in dark corners, whispering, sending, the feeling they have to send private messages because they don't want to say it publicly.

00:04:17.740 In fact, several of the messages and emails I've gotten have had that disclaim of saying, yo, I really, I support you.

00:04:25.300 I like what you, I didn't want to say this publicly because I don't want people coming after me.

00:04:28.060 But here's my thought.

00:04:29.220 This is, this, no, it should be the other way around.

00:04:33.380 You're saying that you're against smut and obscenity.

00:04:35.580 That's not a shameful position to take.

00:04:41.260 I'm not blaming those who are nervous about saying it publicly.

00:04:43.860 What I'm saying is this is, this is, this is how backwards everything is in our culture. 1.00

00:04:47.880 We're now, if you're not in favor of, of smut and obscenity, that's the shameful thing. 0.89

00:04:54.120 So we'll get to all of that.

00:04:55.280 We'll, we'll talk about, we'll continue the porn discussion in the email portion of the show.

00:04:59.040 But before we get to that, I want to begin with actress Jamila Jamil from NBC's The Good Place.

00:05:06.260 Well, she's recently been on, on social media bragging about her abortion.

00:05:13.980 Speaking of a lack of shame, she's been bragging about abortion, attacking pro-lifers. 1.00

00:05:18.240 But her most recent post about her abortions has been, I think was very instructive and revealing.

00:05:24.300 So here's what she said.

00:05:26.260 And this again is after many other posts about her abortions where she's celebrating it and so forth.

00:05:31.300 Then she says, receiving thousands of messages about how I made a mistake having an abortion seven years ago and how I must be a miserable person.

00:05:38.400 I am, in fact, a happy, thriving, multimillionaire, madly in love, with free time, good sleep, and a wonderful career and life.

00:05:47.580 But thanks for checking.

00:05:49.580 Then when she was asked about babies who have a heartbeat and are viable outside the womb, asked, well, what about them?

00:05:56.320 Would you say at least they should be spared?

00:05:57.820 She said, if it's at the cost of a woman slash little girl slash rape or incest victim slash disabled person who doesn't want to put their life and body through hell for a baby they don't want and can't take care of, yep, every time.

00:06:13.460 The choice is the landlord's, not the tenant nor the neighbor's.

00:06:17.960 And at another point, she went into the whole familiar shtick about, oh, pro-lifers are only pro-birth.

00:06:23.520 You don't care about babies after they're born. 0.98

00:06:25.100 Okay, now, a few things here, going through these.

00:06:30.240 First of all, as for the pro-birth shtick, well, I don't even think I need to spend time on it.

00:06:38.160 This is the laziest argument from pro-abortion.

00:06:42.740 And they make a lot of lazy arguments, but this is the laziest possible argument.

00:06:49.100 First of all, is there anything wrong with being pro-birth?

00:06:53.200 Of course, yes, I am pro-birth.

00:06:55.320 I am in favor of babies who are conceived being born.

00:06:59.380 I think if a baby's conceived and is not born, whether because of being murdered by a human or a miscarriage, I think that's a terrible thing.

00:07:08.540 I am very much in favor of every conceived child being born.

00:07:11.840 So, yes, pro-birth, I wear that label proudly.

00:07:17.720 But, of course, there are many other problems here.

00:07:23.020 One being that the people who say that pro-lifers don't care about babies after they're born, they have no evidence, no statistics at all.

00:07:32.060 Okay, it's not like they have statistics proving that pro-lifers are less likely to adopt, less likely to give to charity, less likely to volunteer their time.

00:07:42.920 They don't have that.

00:07:44.380 In fact, if they looked, I can guarantee you they'll find the opposite.

00:07:48.680 Many pro-lifers adopt children.

00:07:51.040 Many pro-lifers are very charitable, donate to the poor, help the sick and the needy.

00:07:56.680 Pro-lifers is a very common thing among pro-lifers.

00:08:00.980 And, of course, it is.

00:08:03.480 Because if you're a pro-lifer, you're already spending a lot of your time defending people who cannot speak for themselves.

00:08:13.600 So that's going to come from a place of compassion.

00:08:16.840 This is a problem the pro-abortion people have.

00:08:18.900 They really desperately want to believe that pro-lifers are pro-life because of some selfish, self-serving desire. 0.68

00:08:30.580 But how is it selfish and self-serving for someone to say that I don't think you should kill babies?

00:08:36.060 I don't benefit from that. 0.92

00:08:37.540 When I sit here and say you shouldn't kill babies, I don't benefit at all.

00:08:41.880 If I advocate for pro-life legislation, I don't benefit from it. 0.78

00:08:46.160 It's not like I'm saying it for my sake.

00:08:48.620 I'm already born.

00:08:51.780 Now, I'm not saying that I sacrifice a lot either by advocating for this.

00:08:55.460 I don't think I do.

00:08:56.180 But it's not self-serving.

00:08:58.280 The pro-abortion case is self-serving and they know it.

00:09:01.740 Because what they're saying is, no, if I conceive a child, I want to have the ability to kill it because, you know, if it doesn't, because I'm more concerned about my lifestyle.

00:09:10.160 So they have the self-serving and selfish perspective. 0.97

00:09:13.380 They know it.

00:09:14.040 And so they're trying to find some way to make us into the selfish ones.

00:09:18.340 And it's just absurd.

00:09:19.240 It doesn't work.

00:09:19.840 So this claim, pro-birth, not pro-life, there's no evidence for that, no statistics, none, at all, zero.

00:09:27.680 And it makes no difference anyway.

00:09:32.400 You know, if somebody says, hey, we shouldn't murder homeless people.

00:09:39.880 I'm against murdering the homeless.

00:09:41.620 Would we say to that person, well, that opinion doesn't count if you're not, you know, volunteering at a soup kitchen?

00:09:50.700 What?

00:09:51.260 So unless I volunteer at a soup kitchen, I can't say don't kill homeless people? 1.00

00:09:57.720 Is it not just morally correct that it's wrong to kill homeless people?

00:10:02.180 Isn't that a morally correct statement, regardless of how I spend my time, regardless of how charitable I personally am?

00:10:09.220 And yes, I should be a charitable person.

00:10:11.020 But even if I'm not, even if I'm a selfish SOB, I'm still correct that you shouldn't kill the homeless. 0.97

00:10:17.680 And you have done nothing to disprove my anti-killing the homeless position by accusing me arbitrarily and without evidence, by the way, of being, you know, a selfish, hypocritical, uncharitable person. 0.96

00:10:35.560 All right.

00:10:36.640 I thought her thing about the landlord and tenant was very interesting.

00:10:40.320 Putting aside that it's a totally deranged way of looking at the relationship between mother and child.

00:10:45.060 And this is another thing that pro-abortion people are desperately trying to find some analogy because they realize that the analogy of having a child is like having a parasite or tapeworms or it's like having cancer.

00:10:56.400 They realize how cruel and just unfeeling and everything that comparison sounds and dehumanizing.

00:11:09.640 So they're trying to find some other comparison.

00:11:11.780 And this is what she comes up with.

00:11:12.940 It's like landlord and tenant.

00:11:15.060 Well, this is interesting because I can pretty much guarantee you that this person, Jamila Jamil, doesn't actually believe that real actual landlords can evict their real tenants for any reason they see fit.

00:11:36.240 So she certainly doesn't believe that landlords can kill their tenants, which is what, now she's saying that it's like a landlord-tenant relationship.

00:11:46.680 And so that allows the landlord to kill the tenant, but in a situation where I'm a landlord and I own a house and I've rented it out as apartments, I'm pretty sure she's going to tell me that if I get tired of one of the tenants in the tenant living in apartment 1B, I'm pretty sure she doesn't think I can just walk in there and kill him.

00:12:08.040 But not only that, I am very sure that she would also say, given that she's a member of the progressive left, she would also say,

00:12:21.040 I don't have the right to evict him for any reason I see fit.

00:12:25.400 So, for example, if he's a homosexual, she's going to say, I can't evict him for that. 0.88

00:12:30.640 Transgender, I can't evict him for that. 0.98

00:12:32.020 So, she uses the landlord-tenant analogy to justify a mother killing a child when, in fact, she believes that landlords have very little authority or power over their tenants.

00:12:46.620 And, in fact, she believes that tenants may have a right to remain in their landlord's property against the landlord's will.

00:12:56.060 That's her belief.

00:12:57.920 So, her analogy that she uses destroys her own case.

00:13:05.820 Because there are times when, yeah, you have a tenant in a building.

00:13:14.020 There are times when the tenant may have the right to continue living there on the landlord's property against the landlord's will.

00:13:21.400 In fact, I would even agree with that in some circumstances.

00:13:25.400 Because this is a contractual arrangement.

00:13:27.920 And the point is that the landlord can't just tear up the contract at any moment.

00:13:33.760 He has to honor it.

00:13:38.220 Well, I think you could also argue, if I'm taking her analogy here, okay.

00:13:43.920 Well, the tenant in the mother's womb, number one, didn't choose to move in there. 0.65

00:13:48.980 That tenant was put there by the landlord, in this case, which is the mother, and the father.

00:13:58.500 Okay, they're the ones who put that child in that apartment.

00:14:02.720 It wasn't a choice made by the tenant in this case.

00:14:06.520 And I would say that now we have a contractual arrangement here.

00:14:13.380 You have put that tenant there, and now that tenant gets to be there through three trimesters of pregnancy. 0.97

00:14:20.780 And then we have the stuff about how happy and wonderful her life is, how rich she is, and so on.

00:14:30.480 Good rule of thumb here.

00:14:31.620 If someone is publicly insisting that they're happy, they aren't happy.

00:14:36.220 And the problem is that all the things she mentions that are comforts, luxuries, these things don't bring joy.

00:14:47.160 It's nice to have money, but nobody finds joy in money, which is why, infamously, rich celebrities are often depressed, miserable, drug addicted, self-destructive.

00:14:58.720 Having a lot of free time, being able to sleep in, yeah, that's very nice.

00:15:07.080 That's enjoyable.

00:15:08.940 But that's not joyful.

00:15:11.100 You aren't filled with a deep sense of joy and contentment because you have free time.

00:15:16.720 In fact, usually if you have too much free time, you get bored.

00:15:20.360 And sleeping in, I mean, the irony is that only parents who rarely sleep in can actually take joy in sleeping in.

00:15:27.380 If you sleep in every day, then it's just part of your life and you probably don't appreciate it that much.

00:15:32.960 But parents who get one chance in five months to sleep in really, really appreciate it.

00:15:39.300 In fact, they might find joy in it because they don't get to do it very often.

00:15:43.880 The other thing is that most of what she mentioned, aside from sleeping in and free stuff, but in free time,

00:15:49.360 the other thing she mentioned, money, career, and so forth, you can have that with kids. 0.51

00:15:54.660 She could, right now, have the career, have the money, have the nice house,

00:16:00.240 and even have the free time and the sleeping in, probably, because she could hire a nanny if she wanted to, 0.99

00:16:05.620 if she is a multimillionaire.

00:16:07.380 She could have all that and also have a baby.

00:16:12.120 She could have the nice house, and the nice house doesn't have to be depressingly empty.

00:16:16.920 She could have the joy of motherhood and everything else.

00:16:19.880 That's the false choice that the abortion industry presents. 1.00

00:16:23.220 They say, well, you have to choose between the baby and financial success in life and a nice career and all of that.

00:16:31.260 Well, no, you don't have to choose.

00:16:33.480 Of course, if you did have to choose and you had to choose between a baby's life as a parent

00:16:38.080 or the career you want, then the correct choice and also the choice that is going to make you happier in life,

00:16:46.500 ultimately, and that won't lead to a life of guilt, which is the life that Jamila is living,

00:16:51.860 whether she says it or not, the choice would be to choose the child, of course.

00:16:56.300 But my point is, you don't really have to even choose between the two.

00:17:00.700 You should prioritize your child over your career, over these other things.

00:17:07.200 But you can have both.

00:17:10.400 And this is what's funny, because feminists, they're the ones limiting women and saying, 1.00

00:17:19.120 no, you've got to choose.

00:17:21.340 When it seems to me the more empowering message for a woman is, you can have it all.

00:17:26.580 You don't have to choose.

00:17:27.340 No, you could be a mother and you can go and live your life and do the things that you want 0.98

00:17:33.920 and pursue your dreams.

00:17:35.340 You could do both.

00:17:36.700 You might have to do it differently than you imagined.

00:17:40.220 Okay, you might have to take a more circuitous route than you originally thought,

00:17:44.480 but that happens no matter what, whether you have a baby or not.

00:17:48.460 Your life isn't going to go exactly as you planned.

00:17:51.000 You can have your goals and your dreams and your objectives, but it's not going to be a

00:17:58.680 straight A to B, point A to point B, right across as the crow flies sort of route.

00:18:04.580 You're going to end up taking detours and doing all this.

00:18:06.580 So that happens whether you have kids or not.

00:18:10.420 But just because you have a child, you don't have to just throw those dreams and goals out.

00:18:14.480 You don't have to abandon them.

00:18:17.400 You might find as you grow and, you know, as you grow older as a person and you grow into

00:18:25.520 your role as a parent that your dreams and goals change.

00:18:28.480 If they do, they do, but they don't have to.

00:18:33.620 All right.

00:18:35.800 Let's see what else here.

00:18:36.560 Reading now from, let me pull this up, a disturbing story, and I will save you any images that

00:18:43.960 might accompany it, except for the mental images, which unfortunately I cannot save you from.

00:18:50.000 This is an article on the Daily Wire.

00:18:53.360 Amanda Press Giacomo says,

00:18:55.640 Wearing a black thong and buttless black dress, hit singer, songwriter, and body positivity icon

00:19:03.000 Lizzo, twerked for the cameras while standing courtside at a Los Angeles Lakers game on Sunday

00:19:08.200 evening.

00:19:09.480 The media, especially left-slash-feminist-leaning magazines and websites, gushed over the singer's 1.00

00:19:14.420 bare-booty gyrating.

00:19:16.300 And those who criticized the truth-hurt singer for being inappropriate, considering NBA games 0.74

00:19:20.940 are frequented by kids and families, were dismissed as fatphobic and sexist.

00:19:26.800 And then there's a video there, if you can see, if you go to the Daily Wire, but you probably

00:19:32.540 don't want to see.

00:19:33.880 Elle magazine gushed over Lizzo's outfit and twerking moves and praised her for her brazen 1.00

00:19:39.000 confidence.

00:19:40.740 The singer wore a shirt dress with the back cut out so everyone could see the black thong

00:19:45.440 she was wearing with her fishnet stockings.

00:19:47.160 Then she flaunted it when she twerked for the Jumbotron. 1.00

00:19:49.720 That is honestly the kind of brazen confidence we should all take into 2020, the magazine said.

00:19:55.960 E! News titled their piece on the singer's antics, Lizzo is a true winner after twerking in

00:20:01.060 her thong outside of the Lakers game.

00:20:04.920 And then we go through other media outlets that are similarly celebrating.

00:20:11.180 But I think you probably generally get the idea.

00:20:14.260 So we have Lizzo, the obese singer who went to a Lakers game with a dress with a big hole 0.85

00:20:23.020 cut out around the butt area, wearing a thong. 0.93

00:20:26.800 Now, a few obvious points here. 0.99

00:20:31.440 Number one, if a man went out dressed like that, we would all just call him a pervert 0.99

00:20:36.760 and a sexual harasser. 0.85

00:20:38.320 Okay, so if you had a man doing that, we would all say this is why we need the Me Too movement.

00:20:44.920 This is a man who's imposing himself on others.

00:20:47.860 This is a man, right?

00:20:48.780 And that's what we would say.

00:20:49.520 And it would be true, by the way.

00:20:51.620 We would be totally, it would be accurate to say that a man who does that is a pervert 0.98

00:20:55.260 and a degenerate. 0.96

00:20:56.940 It's also true when a woman does it. 1.00

00:20:58.920 So we're not making exceptions.

00:21:00.120 There is no female privilege here. 1.00

00:21:02.860 Second point is that it's, on top of everything else, extremely unhygienic and disgusting. 0.58

00:21:09.720 That you're sitting down on chairs that other people are going to use.

00:21:14.760 We don't need to get too graphic about that.

00:21:19.100 But here's the main thing that jumps out at me.

00:21:22.360 And it's kind of similar to what we just talked about.

00:21:24.620 Where you had a woman, had an abortion, and now is insisting, no, I'm happy, guys. 1.00

00:21:29.240 I'm so happy.

00:21:30.260 You have no idea how happy I am.

00:21:31.680 And it's similar here, where you have a woman advertising in increasingly desperate ways 0.99

00:21:41.980 how confident she is in her body.

00:21:47.640 This is, all this body positivity and self-confidence, most of it is people who are desperate for attention

00:21:56.940 and are not comfortable with themselves at all, actually.

00:22:02.160 If you're comfortable with yourself and you go to a basketball game,

00:22:06.500 you're just going to wear normal clothing, and you go to the game, you're going to sit there,

00:22:11.420 you can have a beer or something, and you're just going to watch the game.

00:22:14.360 That's if you're comfortable with yourself.

00:22:16.340 That's what people who are comfortable with themselves do.

00:22:19.040 They go about their day.

00:22:21.400 They don't need to stand out.

00:22:23.440 They don't need attention from everybody.

00:22:25.100 They don't need to be celebrated everywhere they go.

00:22:29.120 They don't need to make a statement all the time.

00:22:30.840 They just go about their day.

00:22:32.700 That is what confident, self-assured people do.

00:22:37.800 Someone who has no confidence, no self-assurance, someone who hates themselves,

00:22:45.640 someone who desperately needs the approval of others will do exactly what Lizzo does here.

00:22:52.480 Will do anything for attention.

00:22:55.100 That's the main point.

00:22:59.960 Most of what you see from these celebrities and pop culture of whether it's women or men

00:23:06.580 pulling stunts like this to advertise how confident they are.

00:23:13.320 No, it's just because they, this is a woman, Lizzo, who is addicted to attention and approval 0.69

00:23:21.260 and needs it so much from everybody. 1.00

00:23:25.820 It's pathetic. 1.00

00:23:26.920 It's sad. 0.99

00:23:29.060 And the other problem, of course, with body positivity is that

00:23:32.020 you shouldn't be positive about everything about your body necessarily.

00:23:36.960 If there's something that is unhealthy and that you can control about your body, then no, you shouldn't be positive about it.

00:23:46.220 So being positive about morbid obesity is like an alcoholic being positive about liver damage.

00:23:54.260 It's like an alcoholic going around celebrating, yeah, I have liver damage, isn't it great?

00:24:00.020 Has an image of his damaged liver that he, you know, prints out and puts on a t-shirt, wears it, wears it.

00:24:07.380 Hey, everyone, look at my damaged liver. 0.89

00:24:10.860 There's nothing to be positive there. 0.83

00:24:12.380 You're destroying yourself.

00:24:14.580 It doesn't mean you should hate yourself.

00:24:16.120 In fact, it means you should stop hating yourself and you should start respecting yourself and stop doing this to yourself.

00:24:27.360 So there is a happy in-between, but there is somewhere in-between this body positivity,

00:24:38.960 I'm celebrating everything about my body and hating myself.

00:24:42.920 There is somewhere in-between where I have confidence in myself,

00:24:49.100 I'm not looking for attention or approval, I don't hate myself,

00:24:54.640 but I also realize that there are things about me that can be improved.

00:24:59.400 And so I'm going to try to improve those things.

00:25:03.720 All right, let's now get right to emails because there's a bunch of them.

00:25:08.300 MattWalshow at gmail.com, MattWalshow at gmail.com.

00:25:11.120 Obviously, I can't read all of the messages people have sent about the porn topic,

00:25:15.080 but I'll do as many as I can.

00:25:17.700 This is from Jerome, I think, J-A-R-O-M. 1.00

00:25:24.020 So I want to say Jerome, Jerome maybe.

00:25:26.740 I've been listening to your show for a few months and I agree with your views and love your arguments supporting them.

00:25:30.960 I'm so glad that you came out and strongly supported your view that porn should be banned on the show yesterday.

00:25:35.240 I especially appreciated your stance that conservatism has its roots in morality.

00:25:40.320 For a while now, I have felt like my morally conservative views are at odds with some right-wing ideas.

00:25:45.760 However, the way you explained it yesterday made so much sense.

00:25:48.640 I feel it is not only a victory for the left when we abandon what is good, but also a victory for Satan.

00:25:53.320 What do you feel needs to be done to help steer the right back to a foundation in moral thinking and policymaking

00:26:00.420 so as to avoid the weak, don't-legislate-morality position held by so many today?

00:26:05.320 Love to hear your thoughts.

00:26:06.700 Well, I think people just need to take a moment to think through their own positions.

00:26:09.720 Follow the thread of their own thinking. 0.99

00:26:12.820 The idea that morality shouldn't be a part of our policy debates is not only dumb and weak, but also nonsensical. 0.92

00:26:20.420 Because if you stop to think about it for a moment, you realize how impossible it is to separate morality from law, morality from policy. 0.95

00:26:29.720 You just can't do it.

00:26:31.620 So I think people need to do the intellectual work themselves.

00:26:35.040 I don't know if there's a lot we can do to make people think.

00:26:40.060 People need to be willing to do that themselves.

00:26:42.900 This is from Trey.

00:26:44.020 He says, Dear Matt, you do realize that you just lost a lot of listeners' right? 0.97

00:26:47.680 We don't tune in to hear your insane lectures about porn. 0.91

00:26:53.240 Well, thanks, Trey. 0.99

00:26:54.260 Yeah, I don't...

00:26:55.440 Here's the thing about that.

00:26:57.220 I don't care that much.

00:27:02.480 You know, you lose people, you gain people.

00:27:05.020 It's the way it goes.

00:27:07.880 And now, personally, I don't really understand that.

00:27:11.600 I would think if you listen to this show, it's because, for whatever reason, you're interested in what my opinions are.

00:27:20.340 Not saying you should be interested, but that's why you're here.

00:27:25.460 So then you hear an opinion you don't agree with.

00:27:28.640 Why would that make you run away?

00:27:30.280 If it does, fine.

00:27:31.140 I don't know why it would have that effect.

00:27:34.940 Unless you come here because what you really want to hear is your own opinions shouted back out at you.

00:27:44.980 So I think that's probably the case with you, Trey.

00:27:47.920 And with a lot of other people.

00:27:49.020 They listen to podcasts or they watch cable news and all that.

00:27:55.560 They listen to pundits.

00:27:56.920 They're not really interested in what those people are saying.

00:27:59.760 What they want to hear is what they already think echoed back at them.

00:28:04.020 And so what I would suggest is you can save a lot of time and money if you just want to hear your own opinions.

00:28:09.520 You could, you know, maybe walk into a big, you know, maybe like a big cavernous building and or a cave and just shout your opinions and you'll hear your opinions back in your ears through the echo.

00:28:25.280 If that's all you're looking for.

00:28:27.680 I mean, another thing you could do is you could just record your own opinions and then play them back in your ears.

00:28:35.840 Soothing music as you go about your day.

00:28:39.520 This is from, but thanks for listening.

00:28:43.120 This is from Lance says, Dear Matt, I just want to reach out to say that I agree with you 100% when it comes to banning porn.

00:28:49.000 I myself have struggled with and still struggle with porn.

00:28:51.820 If I remember correctly, I was introduced to porn at around 11.

00:28:55.380 Started out as a complete accident.

00:28:57.320 I looked at nude pictures at first, but then started watching pornographic videos.

00:29:01.020 It's something that I wish I never had access to and something I wish never existed.

00:29:04.780 And I'm ashamed to be addicted to it.

00:29:07.640 Lance, thanks for that feedback.

00:29:08.480 Like there's a few other emails similar to that, which I'm going to read as well.

00:29:11.480 This is from Jacob said, Dear Matt, I've been struggling with porn addiction and your episode on porn was amazing.

00:29:17.940 While I understand it's not the only reason to rid our lives of porn, your comment that the viewer doesn't know if the act is consensual and doesn't care really hit me hard.

00:29:27.460 It's a hell of a motivator to keep fighting the addiction.

00:29:30.180 You are right.

00:29:30.720 Porn does ruin lives.

00:29:32.320 I was so desensitized.

00:29:33.360 I struggled to have intimate moments with my wife.

00:29:35.200 I'm now divorced.

00:29:36.620 I was exposed to porn at a very young age, though this was pre-internet.

00:29:41.700 It became a lot easier to gain access to it with the internet.

00:29:44.840 Nobody warned me of the dangers of porn.

00:29:46.820 The issues were not widely known.

00:29:48.100 And to this day, it is rarely talked about.

00:29:49.960 Society treats porn like it's normal human behavior, but it's not.

00:29:52.960 This is not what God intended, and it can easily rip your life apart.

00:29:56.320 Thank you for taking the time to get the word out.

00:29:58.520 I only wish more people would.

00:30:01.020 This is from Anonymous.

00:30:03.140 It says, Hello, sir.

00:30:03.720 Big fan of your show.

00:30:04.520 I work in a treatment facility that works with male juvenile sex offenders.

00:30:08.100 I have worked with around 20 young men.

00:30:09.800 Most of these young men have offended against a younger sibling.

00:30:12.540 Most of the clients I meet come from broken families.

00:30:14.880 But what every single one of them has in common is they were all exposed to pornography at a young age.

00:30:20.120 I realize that making an argument to make pornography illegal based on this would be fallacious,

00:30:23.720 because the data is too small.

00:30:25.160 But I think it's a testament to how destructive pornography really is.

00:30:28.020 You don't have to be a biblical scholar.

00:30:29.460 Heck, you don't even have to be a Christian to see just how morally evil pornography is.

00:30:33.180 I'd 100% support legislation to make porn illegal.

00:30:37.120 I appreciate the work you do.

00:30:38.180 Thank you.

00:30:40.300 And there's a ton of emails like the ones I just read.

00:30:42.920 That's just a sampling.

00:30:44.240 And I think it's a really powerful testimony from people who, you know, like this email here,

00:30:50.440 people that work with kids who've been exposed to pornography have seen it.

00:30:55.020 And you have men, you know, the first two emails I read from men who struggle with it.

00:31:01.060 You have a man whose marriage was destroyed by it.

00:31:03.340 These are really common stories.

00:31:08.040 This is not, these are not exceptions.

00:31:10.880 This is not aberration.

00:31:14.000 This is what porn is doing to families and to people and to men and to women and to children. 0.52

00:31:20.840 This is what it's doing all across the country.

00:31:23.420 Millions of cases of it.

00:31:25.180 Millions of examples.

00:31:26.060 So if you're sitting there still trying to insist that, you know, this is a matter just between consenting adults

00:31:40.380 and it's not a big deal, it's just images, it doesn't really have any effect on society.

00:31:44.240 I think you're trying to, I think you're, you're hiding from what is clearly the reality.

00:31:51.180 You're burying your head in the proverbial sand.

00:31:56.020 This is from Marcus says, Matt, you're the one who sounds like a leftist right now.

00:31:59.380 Someone can't disagree with you without being branded a leftist or a believer in leftist thought.

00:32:03.800 Grow up.

00:32:04.540 Not all of your fans have to agree with everything you say.

00:32:06.680 And if they don't, and if they don't, you'll mark them for, for being a leftist.

00:32:09.640 This is coming from someone who listens every day and someone who has not disagreed with you yet until today.

00:32:14.400 Stop with the shallow branding and name calling.

00:32:16.800 You don't always have to be right.

00:32:18.920 Also, I agree with the regulating porn strictly, but not outright banning.

00:32:24.580 Well, Marcus, I think I was pretty specific with the leftist charge.

00:32:27.700 I said that when a conservative reflexively defends hardcore porn, which it sounds like you're not,

00:32:33.860 but when, when, when one does, and many have, yes, that is a conservative who has bought into leftism without even knowing.

00:32:44.240 And I stand by that.

00:32:45.680 There is nothing in conservatism historically that lines up behind a defense of hardcore porn.

00:32:52.840 That's just not what conservatism seeks to conserve.

00:32:55.540 Also, I said it's a leftist claim.

00:33:00.660 It is a leftist claim to say that the common good is a subjective or relative concept,

00:33:06.860 which it is because that is literally relativism.

00:33:12.040 And relativism, moral relativism, is the opposite of what conservatism is.

00:33:18.640 Again, conservatism is not seeking to conserve moral relativism or hardcore porn or the, the, the ability of children to see smut on the internet.

00:33:31.360 That is not what conservatism historically has been looking to conserve.

00:33:36.820 I think that lines up much, much more with the left's cultural agenda.

00:33:42.300 This is from, uh, let's see.

00:33:48.640 This is from Abraham says,

00:33:51.560 you repeatedly make the point that porn has zero good and only bad influence.

00:33:55.440 But if you were to take alcohol into consideration, alcohol is the same idea.

00:33:59.560 No good can come of it, specifically when you give it to kids.

00:34:03.080 Um, now we tried to ban alcohol prohibition and that didn't work out.

00:34:06.640 So they put stronger regulations on it, which is great.

00:34:09.220 So instead of banning porn, maybe put stronger regulations on it, making it harder for young kids to access.

00:34:14.360 I don't think that banning porn is a good idea.

00:34:16.400 Same way as I believe banning prostitution is a bad idea for some people. 0.77

00:34:20.200 It's the only thing they have if you, if you, uh, for some people, it's the only thing they have.

00:34:24.480 Okay.

00:34:25.780 Um, well, okay, Abraham, first of all, as I said yesterday, I'm fine with the idea of heavy regulations.

00:34:32.780 That's better than nothing, not as good as a ban in my view, but it's a good step.

00:34:37.540 So we don't necessarily disagree on that as to alcohol.

00:34:40.920 I'd argue that alcohol and porn are very different in a number of ways.

00:34:43.900 First of all, I do think that alcohol has redeeming qualities and I'm not just talking

00:34:48.860 about the studies showing that, you know, a glass of wine a few times a week is healthy

00:34:52.860 for you, has health benefits.

00:34:54.020 Although that is an important point, I think, but I think alcohol in moderation can help

00:34:59.280 facilitate social interaction.

00:35:01.280 It has the, the effect of de-stressing people a little bit, loosening them up a bit, um,

00:35:06.740 which can help with social interaction again in moderation.

00:35:09.280 In fact, this is a true story.

00:35:11.200 I went to a doctor a few years ago because I have chronic jaw pain, um, which, which by

00:35:18.560 the way, I am a victim for that.

00:35:19.720 So I do, I do get a place somewhere on the victim hierarchy for my chronic jaw pain, just

00:35:23.200 so you know, keep that in mind.

00:35:24.780 The next time anyone wants to criticize me or insult me, you're insulting a man with chronic

00:35:30.140 jaw pain.

00:35:31.240 You don't know my struggle.

00:35:33.480 So anyway, I went to the doctor for that and, um, I was told that there's really no medicine

00:35:38.680 they could prescribe, but what the doctor essentially prescribed suggested is that she

00:35:43.580 said, well, why don't you have a drink when you get home at night?

00:35:46.700 And it helps.

00:35:47.480 Now I'm not trying to claim that I drink primarily medicinally, although I have, I could make that

00:35:53.980 claim, but, um, I don't, I would probably have the drink anyway.

00:35:58.140 But the point is, uh, there, there, there are, I think some benefits to having a drink now,

00:36:03.900 again, in moderation, obviously, if you go overboard and you're getting drunk, then now

00:36:08.640 you're an alcoholic and you're destroying yourself.

00:36:10.580 And there are all kinds of problems there, which we're all familiar with now porn. 0.99

00:36:15.680 Porn, you know, you could try to argue that it relieves stress, I suppose.

00:36:18.620 I'm sure that there are people that are going to argue that now, but actually ultimately

00:36:21.920 it doesn't.

00:36:22.760 People who watch porn are more depressed on average, as studies have shown.

00:36:26.860 So porn creates more stress than it relieves.

00:36:30.400 And whereas alcohol, you know, having a beer with a friend, you sit down with some friends

00:36:34.900 at a bar or something, you have a beer, nobody's getting drunk.

00:36:38.460 There's no, there's no downside, nothing bad's happening.

00:36:42.060 And you're having a discussion, you're enjoying yourself, uh, could facilitate a wholesome

00:36:47.800 social environment. 0.53

00:36:49.320 Porn does the opposite.

00:36:50.420 Porn is isolating.

00:36:51.840 It interferes with social interaction.

00:36:55.380 Um, it interferes with the sort of cohesiveness of, of society.

00:37:00.540 In fact, I think it's one of the reasons fewer people date and get married these days is

00:37:04.600 because they're just looking at porn instead.

00:37:07.500 And then, um, and then also alcohol is a physical product that can be locked away.

00:37:12.280 It has to be bought in a store.

00:37:14.020 You need an ID.

00:37:15.840 There are all kinds of precautions that can be taken.

00:37:18.880 They aren't 100% effective, obviously.

00:37:21.460 But my point is that it's a hell of a lot easier to stop a 12 year old from drinking a

00:37:25.720 beer every night than it is to stop a 12 year old from, from looking at porn.

00:37:30.600 And finally, moderate exposure to alcohol, even for a minor really has no effect.

00:37:40.080 So whereas moderate exposure to porn can be traumatizing.

00:37:45.560 So, so, so compare, you know, compare an 11 year old who sneaks a swig of his dad's beer

00:37:50.980 to an 11 year old who sneaks a peek at hardcore porn.

00:37:56.140 Does anyone think that they're going to be equally damaged?

00:37:58.900 The 11 year old who, who, who, who, who snuck a swig of, of the beer, which in fact, I did

00:38:04.020 that when I was, when I was around that age, I wasn't damaged by it at all.

00:38:07.240 In fact, I hated it.

00:38:08.340 I thought it was disgusting and I didn't want to touch beer again for a while because of

00:38:13.200 how gross it was that no ill effect didn't, it didn't do anything to my body with just

00:38:18.080 that small, tiny little bit of alcohol.

00:38:20.660 And, um, that's it.

00:38:21.820 Wasn't traumatized by it.

00:38:23.100 It's not something I'm going to be telling my therapist about.

00:38:26.880 Um, whereas, and in fact, you've already heard some of these emails, just that one brief

00:38:34.400 exposure to hardcore porn for a child can have a lasting effect that they'll remember for

00:38:40.440 the rest of their life.

00:38:41.080 So I just think that these two things are entirely different.

00:38:46.700 Um, this is from Luke says, Matt, you said in Monday's episode that government exists for

00:38:50.120 the good of society.

00:38:51.600 While I agree, how would you refute the point that free healthcare and college would also

00:38:55.480 be good for society?

00:38:56.880 Therefore we should legislate it.

00:38:58.220 Well, I would say that it's not good for society.

00:39:01.600 See, this is my point.

00:39:03.040 When the left makes an argument and says, we should do this for the common good, for the

00:39:07.240 good of society, because it's morally right.

00:39:09.760 I think our answer should be, no, it's not good.

00:39:13.300 It's not morally right.

00:39:14.340 And here's why our answer should not be.

00:39:17.400 And this is, this is unfortunately how conservatives often answer.

00:39:21.980 What conservatives will often do is they'll say, well, who cares if it's the right thing to

00:39:25.620 do?

00:39:25.780 It's too expensive.

00:39:26.800 That's at least that's how the argument comes across often.

00:39:31.740 So we come across like these utilitarian, uh, unfeeling scrooges who say, oh, who cares

00:39:40.380 if people are starving to death?

00:39:42.000 It's like, it's all, it's all about the money, the bottom line.

00:39:44.240 That's the way it comes across.

00:39:46.560 No, I think you see the moral arguments, the arguments from what is good and what is

00:39:51.440 right, those are far more powerful, far more effective, far more important.

00:39:58.300 It's more important to do the right thing morally than it is to do the thing that's going

00:40:03.240 to be the most financially advantageous.

00:40:05.940 So we should be engaging on that level.

00:40:08.260 And so my response is, uh, you know, for example, the tuition forgiveness, my answer is not, oh

00:40:18.080 yeah, that'd be great for society, but I don't think we should do it because I don't want you 0.92

00:40:21.980 taking my money, you leeches. 0.97

00:40:24.780 No, my answer is it'd be horrible for society. 0.96

00:40:27.160 My answer is it's, it's morally wrong.

00:40:31.080 You're taking money from, from other people.

00:40:33.200 Many of them are not rich and can't afford it.

00:40:36.040 You're taking money from them, giving it to someone else.

00:40:39.000 And all these people that made financial sacrifices to pay off their, their loans.

00:40:42.760 Now you're going to take money from them to pay off the loans of people who haven't made

00:40:46.420 those sacrifices.

00:40:47.400 That is morally wrong because you're made, these people are victims.

00:40:51.000 Now you're taking money from them.

00:40:54.400 It's, it's theft.

00:40:55.240 So that's my answer.

00:40:57.620 And I think that that's going to be a more effective approach.

00:41:00.300 And also, again, uh, it gets down more to the heart of the matter.

00:41:08.600 This is from Mike says, Matt, it's not true that all laws are created to stop evil or immoral

00:41:12.960 acts.

00:41:13.980 Some examples, two or more only in the carpool lane.

00:41:16.780 It's illegal to start your car and let it warm up in your driveway without being in it.

00:41:20.600 You must have a garbage bag in your car.

00:41:22.720 You must register your vehicle.

00:41:24.140 You must pay an exorbitant tax in order to keep your home or your vehicle.

00:41:28.340 These are just a few laws that have nothing to do with morality or the safety of others.

00:41:32.900 There are dozens more.

00:41:34.900 Now, Mike, remember I said that, that all laws have a moral basis, but they can be incorrect.

00:41:39.840 Obviously, there have been many, been many immoral laws.

00:41:44.820 Slavery was legal and that was an immoral law.

00:41:49.000 But the people who instituted those laws protecting slavery would have claimed that it was moral

00:41:55.660 and that it was ultimately helping society.

00:41:57.840 It was the right thing to do.

00:41:58.680 It was for the common good.

00:42:00.800 That's what they would have claimed.

00:42:02.340 They were hideously wrong, obviously, and I don't think they really even believed what they were saying.

00:42:06.860 But the point is that the pro-slavery law ultimately did make a moral claim, did claim to be moral, as all laws do, whether rightly or wrongly.

00:42:17.900 The people who make laws can be wrong, often are, but laws by their nature are rooted in a moral conception.

00:42:26.620 Good or bad conception, still a moral conception.

00:42:31.460 So the laws you mentioned are definitely rooted in morality.

00:42:34.560 Two or more in the carpool lane.

00:42:35.980 This is meant to make traffic more orderly, make things run smoother so people can get where they're going easier and safer.

00:42:42.580 Why does that matter?

00:42:43.840 Why do we care about keeping things safe and orderly on the highway?

00:42:47.900 Because it's morally right.

00:42:50.460 The thing about the garbage bag in the car, I've never heard of that before.

00:42:53.560 I don't know where that's a law.

00:42:54.640 I've just never heard that.

00:42:56.720 I assume the reason for that law. 1.00

00:42:58.940 I think it's a stupid, petty law if it exists. 0.98

00:43:01.500 But presumably the reason is to stop people from littering. 0.99

00:43:05.620 And so that is an attempt at a moral law.

00:43:09.000 And then right down the line, taxes.

00:43:11.280 Okay, there are way too many taxes.

00:43:12.620 There are a lot of bad taxes.

00:43:13.800 There are a lot of immoral taxes.

00:43:14.900 But the people who institute taxes would say they're doing it for the common good, for the benefit of society.

00:43:23.360 They might be lying, but that's the claim.

00:43:26.160 So, again, every time a law is passed, it is an attempt, supposedly, to do something moral for the good of society.

00:43:38.480 What you would need to do is find an example of a law that, at bottom, is not attempting to do anything moral at all.

00:43:47.280 A law that, when it comes down to it, has no moral implications whatsoever and is not intended to have moral implications.

00:43:57.180 You would need to find an example of a law like that, and I don't think you can.

00:44:02.600 Finally, this is from Jenna.

00:44:03.740 It says, hi, Matt.

00:44:04.300 Thank you for your episode on porn.

00:44:05.500 You made a lot of great points, and I mostly agree with everything you say.

00:44:08.380 And I agree that porn is a huge problem in society.

00:44:10.740 My question is about hate speech.

00:44:12.060 Couldn't all of your arguments about banning porn also be used to ban hate speech?

00:44:16.060 So isn't there a slippery slope there?

00:44:19.240 Well, Jenna, I think that there are some major differences between hate speech and porn.

00:44:23.700 First of all, whereas I think porn is, well, explicit, literally, hate speech is not.

00:44:31.460 And so what I mean is we all know what porn is when we see it.

00:44:34.800 There's little confusion about it.

00:44:36.260 I'd wager that 99.9% of the porn on the Internet is obviously porn.

00:44:42.520 Maybe there are some very rare exceptions, some gray areas, and you're always going to have that with the law.

00:44:47.280 You're always going to have those fringe cases, gray areas, where you have to stipulate, and there's a little bit of a debate there.

00:44:52.360 But for the most part, you know what porn is.

00:44:54.620 There's not a lot of confusion.

00:44:55.800 Hate speech, on the other hand, is entirely vague and ambiguous.

00:44:58.820 Nobody has a precise idea of what it is, and the judgment is completely subjective.

00:45:02.980 Also, the categorization of hate speech depends on making judgments about the intent of the speaker.

00:45:10.920 You are assuming that the speaker was hateful in what they said and in their intent in saying it.

00:45:17.620 Now, sometimes that might be obvious, but often it isn't, whereas the intent behind porn is very clear to everybody.

00:45:24.680 Also, I think that so-called hate speech is clearly protected by the First Amendment because it is speech.

00:45:31.440 It's right there in the name.

00:45:34.140 It's the expression of an idea, a point of view, maybe a bad idea, maybe an offensive point of view, but it is speech.

00:45:40.880 Nobody can deny that because you can't even say hate speech without admitting that it is a form of speech.

00:45:48.900 Now, you can easily make the argument, as I did, that porn is not speech.

00:45:53.160 But you can't do that with hate speech.

00:45:56.920 Also, policing hate speech requires the government to police what people say and what they think.

00:46:04.900 Even putting the constitutional issues aside, I think this seems impossible to me.

00:46:10.800 Policing porn is difficult but not impossible.

00:46:13.360 It is a product published on the Internet publicly.

00:46:18.640 So this makes it at least feasible, at least possible, to regulate it or control it.

00:46:24.480 So I think those are just some of the differences between hate speech and porn.

00:46:28.280 And then maybe we'll do one more.

00:46:29.480 This is from Devin says,

00:46:30.620 Well, Devin, if you looked at my Internet history, you'd find that I spend way too much time reading analysis of the NFL game from the previous weekend.

00:46:51.700 And it is actually kind of embarrassing because I spend a lot of time reading analysis of games that people played.

00:47:01.520 I don't actually watch porn.

00:47:03.480 And the fact that you apparently think it's impossible for a guy to not watch it says more about you than me.

00:47:11.700 But this is also irrelevant.

00:47:13.820 Because as you heard in these emails, plenty of guys watch it and yet agree that it's bad and should be banned or regulated or controlled. 0.86

00:47:21.700 Are they hypocrites?

00:47:22.560 No, I would say that they are admirably honest and courageous.

00:47:26.860 Courageous to look honestly at what they're doing, see it for what it is, and speak out against it.

00:47:32.220 I think speaking out against opposing your own behavior is not hypocrisy.

00:47:40.800 So I find the testimony of an anti-porn man who watches porn to be extremely compelling.

00:47:48.540 And I find it to be far more compelling than dudes who watch porn and want to defend it because they like it.

00:47:56.560 That's really basic.

00:47:57.720 That's easy.

00:47:58.280 That's just self-serving.

00:47:59.980 And that's easy to figure out what's going on there.

00:48:02.980 But someone who's coming out against their own interests, saying, yes, I enjoy doing this, well, maybe not enjoy it anymore, but I do it, and yet I think I should be stopped from doing it.

00:48:19.200 Isn't that really powerful testimony?

00:48:21.860 Shouldn't it make you stop and think, now, why would people who do this be against it? 0.98

00:48:32.240 And besides, let's say that I am a hypocrite. 0.96

00:48:35.640 So what? 0.94

00:48:37.300 Would that make my arguments wrong?

00:48:39.540 It's like we just talked about with the pro-life thing. 0.99

00:48:41.860 Are arguments automatically wrong if they come from the mouth of a hypocrite? 0.80

00:48:45.160 See, this is the laziest move, what you're doing here, to impugn the motives of the person making the argument rather than to engage with the argument itself. 1.00

00:48:55.560 That is lazy, cheap, stupid. 1.00

00:48:58.400 It's like if a woman makes an argument against abortion, and then you find out that she had an abortion. 1.00

00:49:07.580 Does that make her argument about abortion wrong?

00:49:11.240 She's making claims.

00:49:12.680 She's saying that the unborn child is a human.

00:49:15.140 She's saying that it's a person.

00:49:16.780 She's saying that it's morally wrong to kill people.

00:49:19.960 These are claims about science.

00:49:23.180 These are claims about morality.

00:49:25.300 She's either right or she's wrong.

00:49:27.000 And what she's done in her past, and what she does in her private life, is irrelevant to the truth or falsehood of those claims. 0.88

00:49:37.800 And besides, it wouldn't even make her a hypocrite.

00:49:42.000 It really makes her someone who has experienced this, has been down into that darkness, has seen it for what it is.

00:49:48.860 And so that lends her argument more weight, not less.

00:49:52.900 It makes her more credible, not less.

00:49:55.300 Her perspective is more interesting.

00:50:00.600 Just like the perspective of the men who watch porn but are against it.

00:50:04.940 It is a more interesting perspective.

00:50:07.180 And we can learn a lot more from it than we can from yours, for example.

00:50:13.000 And final thing, this is just a pet peeve of me, but of mine.

00:50:16.060 And I don't mean to be pedantic, but this is not even what hypocrisy is.

00:50:20.320 Hypocrisy is not saying one thing and doing another.

00:50:24.320 That's not hypocrisy.

00:50:26.700 So if I say that it's wrong to tell a lie, yet I've told lies in my life, that doesn't make me a hypocrite.

00:50:36.200 Hypocrisy is, and if that does make someone a hypocrite, then we're all hypocrites, and there's no point of accusing anybody else of it because we're all that, and it's just part of being a human. 0.73

00:50:44.660 Which maybe hypocrisy is part of being a human, but here's what hypocrisy actually is. 0.79

00:50:50.500 I think it's far more insidious, actually.

00:50:52.840 Hypocrisy is pretending to believe something that you don't actually believe.

00:50:58.340 So if somebody says something and then does another thing, that might be evidence that they don't believe what they said, but not necessarily.

00:51:07.420 It could just be evidence that they're weak because they're human, and they have trouble with follow-through like we all do.

00:51:16.960 But that's what hypocrisy is. 0.98

00:51:18.680 Hypocrisy is a fraud, a fake. 0.95

00:51:20.480 Someone who goes around preaching a position that they don't even really believe in their heads. 0.94

00:51:25.880 And one thing I can guarantee you is that I don't take positions that I don't believe.

00:51:42.080 So at the very least, if I'm saying something, it's because I believe it.

00:51:45.140 I might be wrong. 1.00

00:51:46.140 I might be an idiot. 0.99

00:51:47.340 There's a lot of things you could say about me, but at the very least, you could be confident that what I'm saying, I do at least believe it. 1.00

00:51:54.600 Because I might be the only one who believes it, depending on what it is, but at least I do.

00:51:59.320 Otherwise, I wouldn't be saying it.

00:52:01.160 All right, we'll leave it there.

00:52:02.180 Thanks for the email, Devin, and thanks, everybody else, for tuning in.

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00:52:28.860 Despite all of their charges collapsing, Democrats plan to move forward with two articles of impeachment against President Trump.

00:52:58.400 We will examine why it's happening now.

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The Matt Walsh Show - December 10, 2019

Ep. 387 - Actress Insists She's Happy After Abortion, Nobody Is Fooled

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