The Matt Walsh Show - December 11, 2019


Ep. 388 - Person Of The Year


Episode Stats

Length

35 minutes

Words per Minute

169.9604

Word Count

6,023

Sentence Count

376

Misogynist Sentences

21

Hate Speech Sentences

21


Summary

Time named Greta Thunberg their Person of the Year, and I'm mad about it. Also, Portland State wants to teach a course on Queer Ecologies and Environmental Futurity, but they don't have the money to pay for it.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 You probably heard that climate activist Greta Thunberg has been named the Time Person of the Year.
00:00:05.860 I have to say I'm frankly appalled, outraged by this choice, because you're telling me that in the year 2019,
00:00:17.400 2019, the current year, you're naming a privileged, white, cisgendered person as your Person of the Year?
00:00:25.780 Wow. Wow, Time Magazine. Wow. Very progressive choice.
00:00:32.760 Reinforce white heteronormativity some more, why don't you?
00:00:36.160 Promote colonialistic gender binary paradigms some more while you're at it.
00:00:41.300 Push more oppressive societal constructs.
00:00:44.640 Just continue with your insinuations that Western cultures are more engaged on climate issues
00:00:50.980 while ignoring the literally millions of Vietnamese pansexuals, gender-fluid Ethiopians
00:00:56.640 who have been fighting this fight for thousands of years.
00:01:01.460 But none of them can be named Person of the Year, can they?
00:01:04.140 Oh, no, we're just going to pretend they don't exist.
00:01:07.640 Couldn't even find an intersex, aboriginal, genderqueer South Korean.
00:01:13.020 None of those available, huh?
00:01:15.240 Oh, they're not doing anything. No, no, no, no, no. It's all the white people.
00:01:18.140 It's all the privileged white people who care about the planet.
00:01:21.820 I am tired of seeing the climate activism of marginalized communities erased by the media.
00:01:30.560 I'm tired of the media pretending that people of color and agendered people
00:01:35.540 and bigendered people and trigendered people and quatragendered people don't exist.
00:01:42.320 Time Magazine is a white supremacist publication.
00:01:45.120 It should be listed as a hate group by the government.
00:01:49.340 And to Time Magazine, in the words of Greta Thunberg herself, I say, how dare you?
00:01:55.980 How dare you?
00:01:58.560 How dare you?
00:02:00.640 Okay. Anyway, actually, by the way, speaking of woke climate activism, I wanted to, I don't
00:02:12.820 know if you've seen this. Check out this flyer that somebody posted online. It's a picture
00:02:16.680 of, well, it's a picture of a flyer for a course at Portland State University, courtesy
00:02:22.000 of their women, it's their women, gender and sexuality studies department.
00:02:26.280 So, you know it's going to be pretty good. Let me see if I can pull it up. I just retweeted
00:02:33.240 it on Twitter, at Matt Walsh blog, by the way. Okay, here it is. So, this is the flyer
00:02:39.340 for the course. It's queer, it's a course on queer ecologies, queer ecologies, rethinking
00:02:47.720 the nature of nature. And then it describes the course.
00:02:51.740 This class uses a queer lens to understand bodies, places and the environment. We explore
00:02:57.660 how gender, sexuality and queer experience and identity intersect with race, class, disability
00:03:03.040 and settler colonialism, to construct bodies and places as natural, and the role that science
00:03:08.620 plays in defining nature. Topics include queer bodies, queering settler colonialism, queer
00:03:15.480 environmental politics, disability and queer environments, queering science, queer animals.
00:03:22.000 Sorry, this is a very serious topic. I don't mean to laugh. I'm really just laughing with
00:03:25.920 joy. I'm laughing with joy that finally, you know, these sort of subjects are being
00:03:31.100 taught to our children. I mean, for too long, our kids have gone to school and learned about
00:03:36.180 things like science and history, and we have completely neglected to talk about queer animals.
00:03:43.520 Queer environmental futurity, future, futurity, future, futurity? Queer environmental futurity.
00:03:51.480 Well, that's a word. That's definitely a word. This class seeks to reimagine nature, bodies
00:03:57.620 and places through a queer lens. So there you go. All I'm going to say is people are going to pay
00:04:07.200 money for this course. People are going to take this course and pay money. And those same people,
00:04:14.020 given that this is Portland State we're talking about, those same people in a few years are going
00:04:18.660 to be unemployed and have massive debt. And they're going to start crying about their student debt and
00:04:24.000 demanding that we get, that we give them debt forgiveness. They're going to take out their
00:04:27.600 violins and they're going to play them. And they're going to tell us a sad story about how hard their
00:04:31.980 life is. Well, if you are plunging yourself into crippling debt for the sake of this nonsense,
00:04:39.200 then you deserve all of the consequences that come your way. I paid a hundred grand to take classes
00:04:45.560 on queer ecology and vegan history. Now I can't find a job. Help me. I'm a victim.
00:04:51.180 Eh, no, I don't think I will help you. I think of, if I were to make a list of all the people in the
00:04:59.680 world who, who deserved help, you would literally be at the bottom of it. You would be like number
00:05:05.700 7 billion on the list. I think we should help every other person on earth before we help you.
00:05:14.140 All right. So our old friend AOC was doing a bit of a grandstanding at a congressional hearing on
00:05:19.160 Tuesday, par for the course, her favorite thing to do. And, um, in case, uh, in this case, she was
00:05:25.440 grandstanding for government mandated paid family leave. She wants the government to mandate that
00:05:31.620 companies give at a minimum, uh, she says three months of paid leave, but she really wants six
00:05:37.920 months, nine months, 12 months. I believe she said mandatory. And in order to make that point,
00:05:43.960 she pulled out a rather tortured analogy. Do we know how long puppies are allowed to stay with
00:05:54.280 their mothers after a dog has given birth? I don't, uh, eight weeks. Wow. So the market has decided
00:06:01.660 that women and people who give birth deserve less time with their children than a dog.
00:06:09.020 And I think that that at its core has shown that the market has failed to treat people with dignity
00:06:16.540 and with basic respect. And so when that happens, I think it's our job as the public to redefine the
00:06:24.820 rules of society and to people and to treat people who give birth with the dignity that they deserve.
00:06:30.840 Thank you very much. Okay. Where do we even begin here? First of all,
00:06:39.020 well, okay. I honestly don't know where to start. I, all right. First of all, there really isn't
00:06:44.060 much comparison between dogs and humans. And to compare a human mother to a dog with a litter of
00:06:49.620 puppies seems rather dehumanizing to me, but the eight week thing she's talking about, that's the
00:06:56.120 amount of time that puppies stay with their mothers until they are shipped off to another family
00:07:00.760 generally permanently. So we're talking about at eight weeks, they are permanently separated from
00:07:06.440 their mothers. Nobody's talking about permanently separating human mothers from their children.
00:07:12.980 Nobody's even talking about separating mothers for, for days or weeks at a time.
00:07:18.440 Um, unless the, uh, unless the human mothers are, you know, working for a company that mines
00:07:24.700 resources from rocks in the asteroid belt or something like that, and they'll be gone for 50 years.
00:07:30.000 Uh, but other than that, they probably come home at the end of the day. So what we're talking about
00:07:33.060 is mothers working for part of the day and then coming home to their family. So it's,
00:07:37.140 it's really not comparable at all. Second, did you notice how she said women and people who give
00:07:43.440 birth? So she couldn't just say women who give birth or really just women. You don't really need the
00:07:48.260 stipulation of who give birth, but, uh, she said people who give birth and women to, to, to distinct
00:07:55.520 categories. She couldn't just say women, of course, uh, because that's, uh, that this is the sort of
00:08:02.560 nonsense that leftist political figures are forced to engage in. They don't believe it themselves. Even
00:08:09.300 AOC as, as, as, as empty headed, as she sometimes comes across, I can guarantee you that AOC doesn't
00:08:19.700 really believe that men can give birth. She doesn't really think that I, my theory, and I can't prove
00:08:28.360 this of course, but I would be willing to bet that almost everybody on the left knows that this gender
00:08:38.200 stuff is crazy. They, they know that of course men can't give birth. Of course, your sex is determined
00:08:44.120 by your, by your anatomy, your biology. I mean, they know that they have to know it. Everybody knows it.
00:08:51.720 Um, I think the number of people who are really confused on the subject is very, very, very small,
00:08:56.060 but they all are pretending and they, they want us to pretend also.
00:09:02.120 One of the ways that I know they're pretending is I have in many, many times I have engaged with
00:09:09.780 these people on this issue and you find that they just have no, if, if you, if you try to back them
00:09:16.820 into a corner to defend the proposition that anyone besides a woman can have a baby, they can't even
00:09:23.820 begin to defend it and they won't try. They, they, they know that it's a position they cannot at all
00:09:30.300 defend yet. They will continue to say it. And, and, and that should really, I mean, why are we even,
00:09:38.540 there's a part of me that thinks we shouldn't even be engaging like the left. You've just lost
00:09:42.900 everything. You have totally lost every argument. Now, all of your positions are, are disqualified
00:09:49.900 because you are claiming that men can have babies. The moment you say that I, nothing else you say,
00:09:57.300 I take seriously. And I, because either you are arguing in such bad faith that you are willing
00:10:04.800 to propose insanity like that, knowing that it's insanity, which means I can't talk to you because
00:10:11.120 you're dishonest or you're insane. I mean, those are the two options. You're crazy or you're pretending
00:10:17.300 to be crazy. Either way, what is there to talk about? I can't talk to you about anything.
00:10:22.360 And this is one of the, this, this is the problem. This is the divide that exists in our culture these
00:10:26.980 days, that you've got one side of the political divide living in a fantasy world. Just live, just
00:10:36.140 make, have completely rejected science, biology, all of it out the window.
00:10:44.260 And then the third issue here is I can't help but point out that AOC is a pro-abortion radical.
00:10:49.140 She believes that it should be legal and is moral to kill a baby five seconds before it emerges from
00:10:55.780 the mother's birth canal, the mother's birth canal, not the father's, the mother or the father's birth
00:11:01.060 canal, as AOC might say. But that's her opinion, that the child can be, can be killed at any point,
00:11:08.280 for any reason, at any point, for any reason before birth, which means that she has lost the ability
00:11:16.440 to be taken seriously when she prattles on about dignity and respect. Just like she can't be taken
00:11:22.580 seriously when she talks about science, considering the fact that she thinks or pretends to think that
00:11:26.360 men can have babies. Also, when she talks about dignity and respect for human beings, we can't take that
00:11:32.320 seriously anyway, because, because, because this is someone who, who, who defends the worst kind of
00:11:38.280 barbarity. So she has lost the moral high ground. Fourth thing, as for the paid family leave issue, the idea
00:11:47.580 that the government should require companies to provide, according to AOC, a year of paid family leave is
00:11:54.280 obviously madness. It just doesn't work. So like many liberal ideas, it sounds kind of good at first, if you
00:12:02.000 think about it for only one and a half seconds. So if you spend 1.5 seconds thinking about it,
00:12:05.900 and you don't think at all about implement, implementation, cost, effect, or anything else,
00:12:11.140 then maybe it sounds good to you. If you approach liberal policies, like a word association game,
00:12:18.680 where somebody says a word to you, and then you have to react to it instinctively without thinking about
00:12:24.240 it. I guess for a lot of people, it seems when they approach liberal policy ideas that way,
00:12:30.920 which is how a lot of people approach these issues, it sounds kind of good, because you say,
00:12:36.220 well, paid family leave, who could be against that? I'm not against it. I think paid family leave
00:12:41.680 is wonderful, but it has to be something employers work out themselves with their employees. The
00:12:47.120 government cannot mandate this, because think about it, if an employer is required to pay a woman for 12
00:12:53.420 months to not work and to stay at her house, the employer is also going to have to hire a replacement
00:13:01.360 who will have to be paid as well. So now for a year, he's paying double for that position.
00:13:09.720 Add in, let's say, another woman on 12 months of leave. Why not 12 years, actually? Let's do 12 years.
00:13:15.800 Good. Add in another woman on 12 months of leave, and now you've got four times the cost
00:13:23.600 for two positions. And keep multiplying that, it becomes unsustainable pretty quickly. Obviously
00:13:30.160 unsustainable. Now, the only way that an employer could make this work, maybe, is if when the mother
00:13:40.420 goes on that year of leave, he kind of, whatever she does, whatever her position is, he divides it
00:13:48.200 up and gives it to other people, other employees. And so her position is absorbed by, and her duties
00:13:53.960 are absorbed by other people in the company. The issue with that is, well, if he does that,
00:14:02.220 and now for a year, the company works fine with other people doing her job, along with their own jobs,
00:14:08.120 then why should he hire her back? He doesn't need her anymore. So in that 12-month period,
00:14:16.820 either the employer is paying double, which is unsustainable, or the woman has become
00:14:24.300 redundant at her own job because other people are doing it and she's not needed.
00:14:30.800 Either way, it doesn't work. Here, I think, is the problem. When it comes down to it,
00:14:36.440 in the industrial age, we have radically reordered the family and society. We did away with the
00:14:43.840 traditional arrangement of men being providers and women being caretakers. That's the way that
00:14:48.320 it worked, obviously, in many societies for many thousands of years. But we said, no, we're not
00:14:53.600 going to do that anymore. And now both parents can be providers and both can take turns being
00:15:00.020 caretakers. Whatever you think of that shift doesn't matter. That's not my point. My point is
00:15:06.980 that there are trade-offs, unavoidable. These trade-offs are inevitable. The trade-off is that,
00:15:13.120 one of the trade-offs anyway, is that now, with both parents working, and in many situations,
00:15:18.420 I admit that both parents have to work because that's how we've arranged society. We didn't have
00:15:24.800 to arrange it this way, but we did. And so now, for a lot of people, it's not a choice. It's like when I
00:15:29.360 talk about the public school system, and I'm a big advocate for homeschooling. I think that that,
00:15:33.380 or private schooling as well, depending on what private school we're talking about, because
00:15:38.060 they're not all good by any means. And I'm a big critic of the public school system. Ideally,
00:15:45.500 I think there shouldn't be a public school system, but many families are in a position where they have
00:15:52.140 to send their kid to public school because both parents have to work. They can't afford private
00:15:56.400 school or there aren't any good ones in the area. And then what are you going to do? There really
00:16:01.260 isn't any other option. And I fully acknowledge that, admit that. But my point is, we have set up
00:16:08.760 society in such a way as to be dependent upon this institution. It doesn't have to be that way.
00:16:15.080 And we could start working in the long term towards making it so that we're not dependent on
00:16:21.220 this institution of the public education. We could also in the long term work towards a situation
00:16:29.340 where we don't need to talk about 12 months of paid family leave anymore. But those are choices we
00:16:36.940 have to make as a society. As it stands right now, with both parents working, children, not just babies,
00:16:44.700 don't have the same opportunity to bond with and be raised by and influenced by their parents.
00:16:50.060 That's just how it goes. There's no way around it unless we do a radical reorganizing of society.
00:16:58.560 Unless we are willing to look fundamentally at how we approach families and work, these really
00:17:05.960 foundational things. Unless we're willing to look at that and say, maybe we're doing this wrong.
00:17:14.140 If we're not willing to have that conversation, then this is just how it's going to be.
00:17:18.380 Folks like AOC, they want to have it both ways. They want to say, oh yeah, women should go out,
00:17:24.880 have a career, focus on that. That's what it means to be empowered, is to go out and have a job and all
00:17:30.860 that. While at the same time insisting that children shouldn't be deprived of their mother's
00:17:36.380 presence in the home. Well, wait a second. How can it be both? You can't say both.
00:17:40.940 And why are you? I mean, I joked a minute ago that if you're doing 12 months, why not 12 years? Well,
00:17:48.120 really, why not? Because it's not like babies benefit from having their mothers in the home
00:17:53.160 for the first 12 months and then don't benefit anymore. That benefit that you're talking about
00:17:58.160 extends throughout the entire childhood. So we have made a choice in this society. That's what I'm
00:18:08.200 trying to, that's the argument I'm making here. We have made a choice. The choice that we made
00:18:14.240 collectively is that it's more important to have the parents out of the house working than it is
00:18:22.160 to have them in the house as a constant presence. And, and, and we also decided that other people
00:18:32.740 and institutions like the public school system or babysitters or daycare centers can sufficiently
00:18:38.460 compensate for and fill in for the parents. That's, that's the decision that society made.
00:18:48.220 That is in fact, the, the decision that people like AOC will still defend
00:18:57.160 while at the same time from the other direction attacking it. So it doesn't make any sense.
00:19:04.440 That's, that's not necessarily, that's not how I feel. I'm not really on board with, with this, but,
00:19:10.320 uh, that's the way it is now. And I don't think you can fix it just by mandating some policy.
00:19:21.340 And then there's this, uh, the most overrated athlete in America, also the most unlikable,
00:19:26.220 Megan Rapinoe, one person of the, she won sports person of the year from Sports Illustrated this week.
00:19:31.740 I think it should have been Lamar Jackson that won personally. Now I'm, I'm a Homer, I'm a Baltimore
00:19:37.840 guy, so I'm biased. I think Lamar Jackson is, is not only changing the game of football, not only is
00:19:44.720 he the, the story of the year in American sports, uh, just electric, electric athlete, a lot of fun
00:19:51.160 to watch, but he's also just a really likable guy. He's a great role model. He does all of his
00:19:56.820 press conferences after the game, he shows up wearing a t-shirt that says, nobody cares, work harder.
00:20:01.740 I mean, that's, that's just the best message you could hope to get from somebody in a position
00:20:07.000 like that. And he lives it too. He doesn't, doesn't complain, doesn't make things about
00:20:11.640 himself. He's kind of the, he's kind of the anti-Kaepernick in a lot of ways. I don't mean
00:20:14.980 that in a political sense. I don't know what his politics are. Doesn't talk about them, which I
00:20:17.900 think is great. Um, but just in the sense of he's not making it about himself, he's not complaining,
00:20:23.320 lifts his teammates up all the time. I just, I think he's a great, I think he's a great role model for
00:20:27.580 kids and he should have been the sports person of the year, but no, we didn't give it to him.
00:20:31.460 We gave it to in many ways his diametric opposite, uh, Megan Rapinoe, but during her, her acceptance
00:20:38.980 speech, she blasted sports illustrated for not being diverse enough. Watch.
00:20:44.560 And while we don't get to choose what it is that we witness, we are the gatekeepers of
00:20:50.880 those stories. And we do get to decide how we bear witness to the world around us and
00:20:59.560 to the truth that we see. Is it true that I am the fourth woman deserving of this award?
00:21:11.560 I don't think so. Is it true that so few writers of color deserve to be featured in this publication?
00:21:25.080 No. Is it true that so few women's voices deserve to be heard and deserve to be read in this publication?
00:21:36.360 I don't think so.
00:21:40.360 So there you go. I, and I have nothing to say about that other, other than to, to laugh at it. Um,
00:21:45.880 this is what you get, you know, sports illustrated. They, they have gone above and beyond to, to appeal
00:21:51.960 to the woke crowd. They've done everything they can to woke-ify and it's never enough, never, ever
00:21:58.680 enough. This is the lesson we learn over and over again. It's never enough. You can, they are giving
00:22:04.820 her an award and she's, she's still upset at them. She's still mad, still somehow persecuted.
00:22:14.400 Uh, but so there's Megan Rapp. That's why I really, I, I just, I don't, there are some,
00:22:22.180 I think Lamar Jackson, very easy to root for someone like Megan Rapp, you know, going around
00:22:26.740 complaining constantly, complaining about her money. That's the worst thing to complain. She's a rich
00:22:31.080 athlete going around complaining. She's not paid enough. When in reality, she's actually overpaid
00:22:36.340 all this stuff about the women, this sock women, soccer stars, aren't paid enough or underpaid
00:22:41.300 compared to the men. Now, when you look at how much money they bring in, in comparison, how much
00:22:44.720 money they make, they're actually overpaid and they make a lot of money. Megan Rapp, you know,
00:22:49.500 is a rich, rich woman still complains about it though. So this is someone who's just impossible to
00:22:54.880 root for. I don't know how you do it. All right, let's go to emails. Matt wall show at gmail.com.
00:23:00.040 Matt, this is from Rina says, Matt, why do you have just one stocking on the mantle behind you?
00:23:07.920 It's kind of depressing. I do have just one stocking. I don't think there's anything depressing
00:23:12.340 about it. It's actually a really fun tradition in my house. The tradition is I'm the only one who
00:23:17.260 gets a stocking for Christmas. I'm also the only one who gets presents on Christmas or at any other
00:23:22.980 time of the year. So everyone has a chance to really go out, have a great time buying me presents.
00:23:29.100 And the good thing is that everyone in the family learns about the value of giving. Now I've already
00:23:34.800 learned that value, so I don't need to learn anymore. So I don't need to give, but everyone
00:23:38.360 else needs to learn. So they go and they buy me presents. And then it's very sweet on Christmas
00:23:43.280 morning. You know, the kids rush down, everyone rushes down to, you know, it's a classic Christmas.
00:23:48.640 Everyone rushes down into the living room and then they form a circle. I sit in the middle of the
00:23:52.080 circle and unwrap all my presents. Usually it takes about three hours. And the kids are just crying
00:23:56.840 tears of joy the whole time. It's a really a wonderful, wonderful tradition. This is from
00:24:02.860 Hunter says, Hey Matt, I've been watching your show for a few months now. And although I enjoy
00:24:06.840 the show, I'm decidedly more liberal than you on the topic of abortion. You seem very firm in your
00:24:11.920 belief that it is an act of evil. Yes, I would say I am over the months of watching the show. This has
00:24:17.400 been one of the handful of issues that you haven't been able to sway my position, my opinion on.
00:24:22.180 There are two points that always come to mind when thinking about your argument. One, what if I were
00:24:28.060 to get my girlfriend pregnant? I'm 19 working on my education. My girlfriend, 18, is getting ready to
00:24:32.340 ship out to Air Force basic training in January. A baby is not a part of our short-term plans and would
00:24:38.260 undoubtedly destroy both of our plans for life. This must be a concern for many young people and it is a
00:24:45.680 very real fear despite taking the proper precautions. I know this is not an excuse for evil, but I would
00:24:51.700 not be able to put my personal feelings aside and neither would my girlfriend if I came down to
00:24:56.140 abortion. Two, putting aside my own personal feelings when looking at abortion from a statistical point
00:25:01.080 of view, is it possible that abortion would help a society overall by limiting the number of single
00:25:05.900 mothers and the amount of crimes, so on and so forth? If this was proven to be true, could abortion be
00:25:11.580 looked at through the lens of a necessary evil, such as war or allowing AOC supporters to vote?
00:25:18.220 Well done. But I don't consider that to be a necessary evil, actually. I would love to hear
00:25:23.660 back from you privately or at the end of your show. Keep up the good work. Well, you say that I haven't
00:25:29.620 been able to sway you on abortion. I consider that a huge failure on my part considering I talk about it
00:25:34.480 so often. So let me see what I can do here. You give your two sticking points. One is you feel like
00:25:40.300 you might need to have an abortion, quote-unquote need, to have that option open to you because a
00:25:46.300 baby would destroy your plans in life, you say. And number two, you say that it's a necessary evil
00:25:50.100 because it cuts down on single motherhood, crime, poverty, etc. Well, I feel like I probably don't
00:25:54.300 need to argue against your first point. That's not so much an argument from you, but just you being
00:25:59.460 honest about your motivations. I appreciate the honesty. I think I probably don't need to tell you.
00:26:04.020 In fact, I know I don't need to tell you because you say it yourself that it's not an excuse for evil.
00:26:07.220 Well, it's not. That's the answer. It's exactly right. See, what we're trying to figure out is
00:26:12.960 not whether abortion might be useful. I concede that it could be. So if that's the discussion,
00:26:18.340 is it useful? I say, sure. Lots of things could be useful. If they were to legalize bank robbery,
00:26:25.140 that could be very useful to me. If I'm in a pinch and I don't have any money, I can go rob a bank.
00:26:31.020 Now, it's not so useful to the people who get their money stolen or to the bank or to the people who
00:26:35.520 maybe get harmed during my armed robbery. Not so useful to them, but to me, selfishly,
00:26:39.420 yeah, very useful. Carjacking is a useful option if you don't have a car but don't want to go pay
00:26:44.380 for one at the used car dealership. You can just steal somebody else's. Useful for you,
00:26:48.800 not so useful for the person who gets their car stolen. Murder can be useful too. I acknowledge
00:26:53.340 it can be a very useful tool. Think about how useful it is for the mob when they murder witnesses,
00:26:58.380 okay? How useful it is for drug gangs when they kill off the competition. It's a very useful thing.
00:27:04.240 The question, though, is not whether it is useful, but whether it is objectively right or not.
00:27:10.600 Also, by the way, babies don't destroy your plans in life. They might require an adjustment,
00:27:16.280 but there's no reason why they have to destroy all your plans. I have four kids. Now, I'm married and
00:27:20.560 I'm older, but I have four kids. I haven't abandoned my goals or my dreams or my plans in life
00:27:25.940 at all. In fact, I feel even more motivated to pursue my goals because I have kids. There have
00:27:35.940 been chances that I've taken. There have been risks that I've taken, gambles that I've made,
00:27:40.780 smart gambles, they turned out to be, calculated gambles that I have made in pursuit of my goals
00:27:48.620 that I maybe would not have made if I didn't have kids. But one of my main motivations is to provide
00:27:58.320 for them, to provide a life for them and to provide for them in life. And so it all depends
00:28:04.780 on your perspective. You could look at having a baby as, oh my gosh, my life is over. Or you could
00:28:10.380 look at it as this is a new life that has come into existence. My life has gotten more interesting.
00:28:18.620 Maybe there are going to be more challenges, but it's also more fulfilling now. And I've got more
00:28:23.300 motivation, more reason to work harder. But let's move on to your actual argument. You say,
00:28:28.980 is it possible that abortion could help a society overall by limiting the number of single mothers
00:28:32.440 and the amount of crime and so on and so forth? If this was proven to be true, could abortion be
00:28:35.860 looked at through the lens of a necessary evil? There's a major flaw in your argument, Hunter,
00:28:40.460 and maybe by pointing this out, maybe it'll sway you a little. You'll have to let me know.
00:28:47.040 The flaw is this. Everything you just said would just as much justify killing infants and toddlers
00:28:55.800 as it would killing the unborn. So let me ask you this. Would you support a campaign
00:29:02.820 encouraging poor single mothers to murder their two and three-year-old children?
00:29:09.960 What would you think if suddenly across the country, mothers were taking their toddlers
00:29:14.040 into bathtubs and drowning them legally? Now, this would undoubtedly help the mothers financially.
00:29:22.260 Also, let's face it, some of those babies are going to grow up and become criminals.
00:29:25.820 Some of them are going to grow up and end up on the welfare system. And so we've dealt with that
00:29:30.820 problem by killing them. Of course, some of them may also have grown up to be philanthropists and
00:29:34.980 teachers and surgeons and doctors and soup kitchen volunteers. And so you've wiped all them out too.
00:29:40.380 But certainly there are going to be some future criminals in that bunch as there would be in any
00:29:45.540 random group of children. But what would you say about that? Again, it is justified using the exact
00:29:54.920 same argument you just made. Exact same situation. It's not like this is unprecedented either.
00:30:01.880 Infanticide has been practiced in many cultures throughout the world and throughout history.
00:30:05.840 So what would you say? I'm guessing you would be horrified. And why? Because you realize that
00:30:12.580 these pragmatic considerations could not possibly ever, ever, ever justify the mass murder of innocent
00:30:19.640 children. And further, you realize that any societal gains made through efforts like that
00:30:26.540 are not even close to being worth the cost. You realize that if killing toddlers helped us become
00:30:32.720 a richer society, that would not be a compensation for the fact that we have forfeited our souls.
00:30:38.240 We are a richer society, but also a very evil one. And you realize that if all this death and
00:30:43.600 bloodshed would make us wealthier as a society and more comfortable, then in that case, it would
00:30:50.000 be better to be poorer and less comfortable. So when you look at this situation, I'm assuming you would
00:30:56.860 say that if this is the only way, I'm assuming you would say you would rather be a poor country
00:31:08.460 that doesn't kill toddlers than a rich one that does.
00:31:15.300 And if I'm right about how you would feel about two and three-year-old children being drowned in the
00:31:20.260 bathtub in mass, then all I'm asking you is to take that logic and apply it to the unborn. And then you see
00:31:28.600 how your argument, though pragmatic and practical, is totally off base.
00:31:35.120 Because it completely ignores the moral consideration here, which we cannot ignore.
00:31:43.920 And if we get to a point where we're saying the only thing that matters is whether or not this might
00:31:50.060 practically help some group of people, if that's what we're saying, then we have just invited in
00:31:56.120 all manner of the worst kinds of evil you could ever imagine.
00:32:01.140 Thank you for the email, though. And thanks for listening and keeping an open mind, as they say.
00:32:09.380 This is from Joe, says,
00:32:10.660 Dear mighty and powerful leader, I recently started working at an office with an open floor plan
00:32:14.840 and low-walled cubicles. Yesterday, a co-worker microwaved canned tuna for lunch. The stench
00:32:21.040 permeated through a large portion of the floor and lingered for 10 to 15 minutes. I searched my
00:32:25.700 immediate surrounding area in order to hopefully hand down a swift punishment, but found nobody eating the
00:32:30.160 tuna. Therefore, the smell came from outside a 10-foot parameter or made its way all the way
00:32:35.220 through a break room 50 feet away. Under your regime, how would this individual be punished for
00:32:40.240 this vile assault on my olfactory nerves? My first thought is a twisted version of eye for an eye,
00:32:46.660 and they'd be stoned to death with cans of tuna, but I would like to know your official ruling.
00:32:50.260 I have so many questions, Joe. Who microwaves tuna, first of all? That's just egregious. Bringing tuna to
00:32:55.620 work in the first place is unacceptable. It's like if someone took their shoes off on a plane,
00:33:01.240 which is bad enough, but then stuck their smelly, disgusting, hairy feet right under your air vent
00:33:07.640 overhead so that the stench is wafting directly into your nostrils. That's the kind of thing,
00:33:12.800 if a person does that on a plane, the air marshal is going to arrest them and throw them out of the
00:33:15.900 plane at 35,000 feet. I'm pretty sure that's the law. What I would say with your suggestion,
00:33:20.440 you say stoning them to death with tuna cans, I find that pretty inappropriate and shocking,
00:33:24.780 honestly, that you would suggest that because the cans aren't going to be hard enough, I think,
00:33:29.300 to actually bludgeon someone to death. What I would suggest, this might be a little impractical,
00:33:33.440 my penalty, I think, would be bring them out to the ocean, capture a real tuna fish. Those things
00:33:41.060 are pretty big. Bind them to the tuna fish and then let the tuna fish drag them into the dark
00:33:48.600 depths of the ocean. That's my first thought about how we would handle that, but certainly,
00:33:54.780 some practical concerns there, I think, as a matter of justice, that would certainly be the
00:34:00.000 most just way to deal with that. I'm sorry that you had to be assaulted in that way at your place
00:34:06.560 of work. And then we've got a bunch of other emails, but I think, you know what, we're going
00:34:12.500 to wrap it up there, and maybe I'll save some of these other emails for tomorrow. Again,
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