Ep. 394 - A Historic And Irrelevant Day
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Summary
Impeachment of President Donald Trump is a historic day in American history, and it's time to remember where we were a year ago, and what we were doing when this decision was made, when this vote was made and when this happened.
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Welcome to the show, everybody, on this historic and somber day.
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A day that is so somber and so historic that I decided to wear my more muted and restrained and mature reindeer cardigan.
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I had flashier options I could have chosen, but I decided on a day such as this,
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I should wear this cardigan, a cardigan that also looks a little bit like something that a 76-year-old man would wear to the Christmas party at the Elk Lodge.
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And I even decided to place my Santa hat tastefully off to the side rather than wearing it on my head, which was my first option.
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And this, again, is just to note, to pay respects to the historic and somber nature of what has happened.
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And we're all going to remember where we were and what we were doing when this vote was made, when this happened.
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And I know that I can tell you exactly what I was doing.
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I was on my couch, drinking a beer, watching the Celtics play the Mavericks on ESPN.
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Because, honestly, I just don't care that much about the impeachment thing.
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I don't think through this entire thing I've watched one second of media coverage, of any of it.
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Here's the reality that you won't hear people in the media acknowledge because it undermines the effort to get clicks and hits and views and everything.
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Because you always want to pretend in media that everything is earth-shattering, that everything is amazing and incredible and unprecedented.
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But the truth is that this whole impeachment thing will not matter come election time.
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Come election time, nobody's going to care about this on either side.
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I know there are conservatives who are saying, well, this just sealed the election for Trump because there's going to be a backlash of voters and people are so mad about the impeachment.
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And it's not going to matter either way come election time.
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And a year in modern American culture, a year in our information-saturated, news-saturated, overstimulated culture, might as well be a decade.
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Honestly, it might as well, by the time we get to the election, everything that happened right now, today, and last night, and that's happened over the last month or two, may as well have happened in the 18th century.
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All that matters in politics anymore is what happened, like, in the 12 hours leading up to people going to the polls.
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If people are swayed by news events at all anymore, they have to be news events from that day or the previous day.
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If it was a week ago, it's already a fading memory.
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If it was a month ago, it's teetering on irrelevance.
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If it was a year ago, then the event has essentially fossilized and been buried under six miles of sediment.
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Now, I'm not saying that things should be like this.
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You know, we should be able to care about things for more than 35 minutes.
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We should be able to care about something that happened a year ago, but we don't.
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So I guarantee you 11 months from now, nobody's going to care about this.
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No one is, the exit polls will show that nobody on either side was voting based on impeachment.
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They're going to be voting based on something that happened that week.
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Or more likely, they're just going to vote based on the decision they made that they've been committed to all along, based on their party affiliation and the tribe they belong to.
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So people who talk about impeachment 11 months from now, they're going to sound like your grandfather in his rocking chair, smoking a pipe on the porch, reminiscing about stories from his childhood.
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It will sound distant, irrelevant, and we'll all go, oh, yeah, yeah, okay, I kind of remember that.
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But I do have to say, if there's any big news to come out of this impeachment, it's that we need to start teaching civics in school again.
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I think that's the main thing we learned from this, which isn't really news, because I think we already knew that.
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But I saw a lot of people on social media last night, a lot of people who seem to be under the impression that Trump is now kicked out of office just because he was impeached.
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There was a lot of, yay, we're free of Trump, football spiking going on, which is kind of like a receiver breaking free on a long pass, but then stopping at the 25-yard line and spiking the football in celebration.
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And in this case, there's a big wall in front of the end zone, and you're never going to get in because Trump is not going to get kicked out of office.
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That's just simply not going to happen, which is another reason, yet again, why this story is not going to matter 11 months from now.
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As soon as the trial, whatever ends up happening in the Senate, as soon as that happens, no one's going to care anymore about this.
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She was that lady at the White House Correspondents' Dinner a year ago who gave a super cringy, unbearably unfunny performance.
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And everyone on the left pretended it was funny, like they do a lot, especially with liberal female comedians like Samantha Bee and this woman and so many others.
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We have to deal with people on the left pretending that these people are funny and have wit when they're not funny and they have no wit whatsoever.
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But she's one of those comedians who tries to compensate for the lack of wit by going for the shock factor, which is yet again a common flaw among liberal female comedians.
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Where they have no punchlines, they have no jokes, so they just try to shock you.
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And the whole joke is, well, did you hear the inappropriate thing that lady said?
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Case in point, in her recent Netflix comedy special, she goes into a rant about her abortion.
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A rant that is pathetic, gross, sad, but completely forgets to check the funny box.
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And we don't talk about abortion in a real way.
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We talk about it in a very legislative way, but not in a real way.
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So I think a lot of women have a lot of apprehension surrounding it.
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You know, we talk about it so negatively that you feel like you should have this sense of shame after you get an abortion.
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Well, you can feel any way you want after you get an abortion.
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I walked out of there being like, move over, Morgan Freeman.
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First of all, can you imagine sitting in an auditorium for an hour and listening to that?
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It is, I mean, you look up shrill in a dictionary, and you find that, what I just played for you.
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Michelle Wolfe is, I will tell you this, she's not doing female comedians any favors.
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She certainly isn't breaking down or dispelling the stereotypes about women not being funny.
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And when you think about it, Netflix comedy specials, think about Netflix comedy specials this year.
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You had Bill Burr and Dave Chappelle, which were brilliant.
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Actual jokes, if you can imagine, in the comedy special.
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Female comedians, when they go to Netflix, they're not sending their best, I guess, as Trump might say.
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At any rate, as for the joke itself, if that's what it is, I want to be clear about something.
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My reaction to this, and I think the reaction of every pro-lifer, any pro-lifer I've seen so far reacting to it,
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We're not foaming at the mouth in anger, the way some leftists on Twitter were when Neil Gorsuch said Merry Christmas on Fox and Friends.
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There was some foaming at the mouth anger going on there.
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Our overwhelming feeling with this kind of thing is one of sadness.
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It's sad to see a woman who murdered her child try so desperately to rationalize and justify it that way.
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She's lying to herself, and she's lying to us, and we all know it.
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I can guarantee you she did not come out of that abortion.
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She didn't leave that facility feeling like a god, feeling powerful.
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If a woman feels powerful, maybe not like a god, we'll get to that in a minute,
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but if a woman feels powerful, confident, in charge, that woman is not going to get an abortion.
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Because that woman is going to be excited about her baby and about the future and confident in her ability to have a baby and still pursue her dreams and have a career.
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That's why a confident, powerful woman, that's how she's going to approach a pregnancy.
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No, what drives women to the abortion clinic and the feeling that the clinic tries to inculcate,
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the feeling they try to, they go out of their way to create and stir up within the women who come is one of fear and helplessness and desperation.
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Now, you go to a pregnancy center, a pro-life pregnancy center, and the message there is going to be,
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That's the message from the pro-life pregnancy center.
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The message from the clinic is, be afraid, be very afraid, your life is over, unless you kill a child.
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It's a choice between your life or your child's.
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You can't do both, you just can't, you don't have it in you, you got to kill the child.
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You have to choose, but you really have no choice.
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I mean, this is how confident, okay, this is how much confidence, really, the clinic wants the women to have.
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When the women are walking into the clinic, if a sidewalk counselor tries to approach them and just hand them literature,
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I mean, they said, the clinic sends people out, often men, as like bodyguards, okay, not because these women's, not because the women, their safety is being threatened in any way, not at all.
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No, it's just to protect, to protect them from being given literature, to protect them from being spoken to and told about their other options.
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Do you have to protect a powerful and confident woman from being handed a brochure with information on it?
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Information about her own pregnancy and what's going on biologically?
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No, there's no power, and it's all about breaking the woman down, and she leaves broken.
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She's broken, and now she's guilt-ridden, and that's how she leaves.
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That's the state the clinic leaves her in, and leaves her to it, leaves her to a life of brokenness and guilt.
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Once they get what they want out of you, which is the 400 bucks for killing the baby, that's it.
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Speaking of, you know, paying $400 or whatever the price is going to be, what's empowering about a woman paying a man 400 bucks to go inside her body and kill her baby?
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Keep in mind, very often these abortion, quote-unquote, doctors are men.
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Yet, she says, Michelle Wolf says she felt like a god.
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And there's a paradox here, though, isn't there?
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Because I'm saying she was playing god, yeah, but I don't think she really felt powerful.
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If, you know, that may seem like a paradox, but really it makes a lot of sense.
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And we'll be left feeling even more powerless than we did before.
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So, to be more specific, Michelle Wolf felt like a failed god.
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A god who, in the end, actually forfeited the most profound power that she had.
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You say you felt powerful because you killed someone.
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The most helpless, innocent, defenseless being on the planet.
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Now, when I say it's easy, it's not easy to do morally or emotionally if you're a decent human being.
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In fact, if you're a decent human being, it's impossible to do.
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But if you're a morally bankrupt, self-absorbed, cold-blooded narcissist like Michelle Wolf,
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There is, in fact, almost something like a god-like power in it.
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To create life, to harbor that life in your body, and then bring that life out into the open, wide world.
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And what women are told is, by rejecting that profound, amazing power, a power that only women have.
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Now, men do, of course, help in creating the life.
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But in terms of, women have, obviously, a unique and powerful role in that process that men don't have.
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And so, the left says, by rejecting that power, a woman is powerful.
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By doing the thing that anyone can do, by doing the thing that any murderous, selfish person can do, which is kill somebody, a baby, that's what makes you powerful?
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By the way, I wanted to get into emails here in a second, but the reviews for this new Star Wars movie have come out.
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And right now, last I checked on Rotten Tomatoes, I think it's got like a 58%, which is bad, rotten, according to Rotten Tomatoes.
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I think it's going to end up being perhaps the worst rated, reviewed Star Wars movie yet.
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Even worse than Phantom Menace, which was an abomination in so many ways, as most people know.
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I think what we're learning here is that there's only so much story to be told.
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And I'm not even counting all the other peripheral things and the offshoots and the other spinoffs and the TV shows.
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But just in the primary film franchise, we're now on the ninth movie, right?
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And if they're each about two hours long on average, let's say, so you're talking about 18 hours.
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18 hours, 18 hours, is there really 18 hours worth of story to be told based on this?
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You think about that first Star Wars movie, which I have to tell you, and look, this is not me.
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I'm not, I'm honestly not trying to be contrarian when I say this.
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I am guilty sometimes of being contrarian, I admit.
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But this is not an attempt at a contrarian take.
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I'm telling you, if you watch that first Star Wars movie, New Hope, I mean, chronologically,
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at least in terms of when they were produced, the first one.
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Although I know it's really episode four in the storyline.
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But if you watch that one, and without the nostalgic attachment.
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Now, I know that if you saw it first when you were a kid and you've grown up with Star Wars,
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then you're not capable of looking at these things objectively because of your nostalgic attachment to them.
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But I had, I guess, a strange childhood because I never saw Star Wars growing up as a kid.
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I could have watched it, but I didn't, I wasn't interested in it.
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So I watched when I was an adult, I watched Star Wars for the first time.
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If you go in, if you go in cold, you have no attachment to the movie.
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You don't dislike it without, you're just, you're like, okay, let me turn on this movie.
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If you look at it like that, it's really not that good.
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Mark Hamill is not a good actor, especially in that movie.
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Maybe he gets a little better as the series goes on, but he is not good in that movie.
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It's, it's kind of campy and kind of fun, I guess, but it's not.
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And then you have to look at that and ask yourself, it is, so based on that first movie, is there 18 hours worth of material to be mined from that?
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He didn't, he didn't invent this idea of a space opera.
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Um, it is, it's, it's actually pretty derivative in parts.
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I, I think that's what we learned that even, even you see all these movie franchises that go on forever and ever and ever, even a great film.
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Even a really, really great film, which with, with, with the, that is complex and dense and with great characters and everything.
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You're probably not going to find 18 hours worth of material from it, but the first Star Wars movie isn't even that great.
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Which is why each, which is why each new Star Wars movie, it just repeats just over and over.
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It gets the same story repeated over and over and over and over and over again.
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And yeah, the, the, the special effects get a little better each time, but that's it.
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How many times do we have to see the same story?
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And what annoys me about it is that while the Star Wars universe, I don't think has enough in it to justify 18 hours of story.
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Um, the Star Wars universe doesn't, but the, the actual universe does.
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What I mean is, look, if you want to, if you want to make a movie, a sci-fi movie about things happening in space,
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where it involves aliens and spaceships and adventures, I say, great, do that.
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There's, there's, there's, there's, there's, and, and, and literally endless possibilities for telling stories set in space.
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but all of the um all of our all the resources in hollywood everything is focused on well if
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we're going to tell a space story it has to be star wars that's what annoys me it's like just
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can we get away from the star wars thing and if we if we have filmmakers and and and script writers
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and actors who uh want to you know be in a do a movie about space just let them do that we just
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it doesn't need to be star wars can we just put that aside fine we've done star wars we get it
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and uh let's just let's just move on there's there's there's a there's a lot of space left in
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space for other stories it's the same thing with all these marvel movies and avengers it's like
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if you want to tell a story about someone with supernatural powers there's there's a lot you
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could do with that there's a lot of really interesting stories you could tell it doesn't
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have to be doesn't have to involve spider-man or iron man like we we understand we've seen
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those stories we've seen everything those guys can do we get it create a new character
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with supernatural abilities have them do something completely different
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all right but i know the movie will make a billion dollars on its first weekend for some reason i i at
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this point at this point you've seen you've seen uh 16 hours of star wars like people are just itching
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i gotta go i gotta go see it again i've seen this same movie eight times already and now i gotta go i
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gotta go on opening weekend to watch it again one more time i uh i'm just gonna i'm gonna hand my
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money over to disney they have no respect for me as a as a as a fan as a viewer because they're just
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they're just they're just shoving tripe into my mouth just garbage no respect for me they're not
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even trying to make an original story it's just reheated leftovers it's like going to a restaurant and
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you know that they're serving you the leftovers from the previous night microwaved and you go and
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you give them their money and they literally shovel it into your mouth i mean who would do that
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this is what we do with hollywood i don't understand it all right let's go to emails
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mattwallshow at gmail.com mattwallshow at gmail.com this is from patrick says hello matt i was having a
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conversation with a friend and i was wondering where are you stood on a particular issue do you
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think gambling is a sin obviously people can become addicted to gambling it can ruin lives but that is
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also true with alcohol and in moderation there's nothing wrong with a couple beers do you have any
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prop further opinion on the matter is playing poker every couple weeks totally acceptable
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yeah it's totally acceptable as long as you aren't wagering your life savings or something
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i can't see how putting down a little bit of money in a poker game every once in a while
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could it all be considered an act of evil provide again that it's your money and it's not too much of it
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now certainly anyone who takes the position i know that some people do take the position that all
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gambling is sinful but if you take that position you must realize that rules out the lottery
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obviously bingo night okay uh the stock market and many other things many things fall
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into the realm of gambling gambling is a game of chance where you could win money and and that
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encompasses a lot of stuff i don't i don't see how it could be considered intrinsically immoral to do
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it why would it be who cares now maybe you could argue that it's a waste of money it's a frivolous use
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of money but so is going to the movies so is buying tickets to disney world uh so is many other
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things many things it's it's a form of entertainment so if you've if you've spent money on entertainment
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it may it might not count as gambling but i don't see the difference
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so i say don't worry about it uh gamble away well don't gamble away i mean you get my point that's
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that gamble away with the opposite of the point i was trying to make but you know anyway moving on you
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get it this is from bev says matt i agree with your stance on pornography but how can you fail to see
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how it applies to alcohol and tobacco those things are just as bad as porn you defend alcohol and
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tobacco constantly on your show especially on wednesday's show which i found very disappointing
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bev i don't know if it's true that i defend alcohol and tobacco constantly on my show uh i am fans of
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both i admit so maybe i do i don't know you say they're as bad as porn do you really think that though
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uh imagine a married man who drinks a a bottle of beer every night just one bottle with dinner very
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normal a lot of a lot of people do um now imagine a man who watches hardcore porn every night you're
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telling me that those are morally equal that those two guys are in the same moral state and that if
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you were the the wife you know if you if you're the wife in that scenario you would have no preference
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between the two you would be just as offended and upset and troubled if your husband had a glass
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of beer with dinner as you would be if he after dinner every night went up to his to his room on
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his laptop and watch porn i it's hard for me to believe you really see it that way maybe you do
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now i'm not going to take this in a theological direction but if you're a christian
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i should mention and i don't know if you are or not but that that if you are your view on this
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i have to say is totally untenable theologically jesus jesus christ drank alcohol he provided
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alcohol to a party as his first miracle on earth please don't give me any stuff about how it was
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non-alcoholic that is nonsense it's i'm sorry that is total nonsense there is no interpretation or
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translation of that story that it all supports that assumption it was alcoholic wine it even says
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so in the passage it says so in effect where the the the the party goers the attendees of the wedding
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remark on how this was the finest wine they'd had so far and usually now they say usually you serve
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um you know you serve the the good stuff first and then you serve the bad stuff well why do you serve
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the bad stuff later because people have already had the good stuff and they're they're feeling good
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i.e a little tipsy and uh and then that's when you throw the bad stuff what the people were remarking
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on is well now you you just serve the finest wine later clearly indicating that this is alcoholic wine
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when you talk about the finest or best wine you're not talking about grape juice now this is a this is
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really important this actually this is why you know christians who if you're uncomfortable with
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alcohol if you don't want to be around it as a personal preference totally fine i understand i'm i
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have no issue with that but to take the position that it's intrinsically immoral or evil in any dosage
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similar to pornography or as bad as or worse how could you possibly take that view if you are in fact a
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christian it makes no sense because then you're accusing jesus of engaging in intrinsically moral
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activity and and and you're also accusing him of the sin of scandal for providing it so what you're
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saying is that jesus in providing wine it would be the same as if he provided pornography to the wedding
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guests okay but putting that to the side because i don't even know if you're a christian i just wanted
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to say that for the record uh what makes alcohol immoral in and of itself i say porn is immoral
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in any dose in any amount and harmful in any amount and i say this because it is by definition the
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commodification of sex it is sex reduced to spectacle it is the degradation of women for the pleasure of
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men and sometimes the degradation of men for the pleasure of women it is debased and perverse again by
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its very nature by definition studies show that any amount of exposure any amount has a traumatic
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effect on children and psychologically damages them and all porn again in any amount has a profoundly
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negative effect on everybody on families on men on women on marriages porn has no positive application
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no neutral application it is only harmful and that's what pornography is now let's talk about alcohol
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let's take a very common scenario the one that i just the one that i just mentioned very common
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okay this is not some far-fetched thing someone who who has a glass of beer once a night or a couple
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few times a week or whatever most people who drink that's how they drink most people aren't binge drinkers
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so um what about a guy in that situation he's having the beer it's not damaging him physically it's not
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the amount of alcohol that amount of alcohol for a grown man who is in good health is not damaging
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he could do that his whole life and suffered no serious side effects at all now most research
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suggests that two drinks a night for a man two drinks is moderate that's that's what that's what most of the
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medical advice now is um that's what most doctors will tell you that if you drink if you're a man grown man
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healthy you have two drinks a night that's considered moderate and there's not going to be any significant
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harm done to you uh i'm not aware of any research that suggests that one or two drinks a night for a
00:32:32.100
man would have significant damaging effects on his health i'm not aware of any study that says that
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so in moderate consumption it isn't harmful it may actually carry some benefits now that's
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controversial but and it's sort of beside the point but the fact is it it could possibly have some
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positive benefit we don't even need to talk about though the fact is it has no negative side effect
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in moderation it also isn't intoxicating so your health is not impaired your mind is not impaired
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your judgment is not impaired what's the problem i mean what's what's the argument exactly in this
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scenario what how is it evil why because it could be harmful if you drank it too much well yeah but
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anything can be harmful if you consume too much of it water can kill you if you drink too much of it
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so that can't possibly be the reason just because something can be harmful in in in moderate dosages
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doesn't mean that it's automatically wrong in moderate dosages right obviously so then what is it
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you could say well a lot of people do struggle with alcoholism yeah that's an argument for not drinking
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around people who struggle with alcoholism but if you're by yourself and there's no one around who
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struggles with alcoholism and it's not hurting you and it's not intoxicating you um and it has no
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no significant health drawbacks what does it matter who cares um i have explained now multiple times
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why porn in any dosage is harmful i i know no one has has has so far explained why that should apply to alcohol
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a lot of people have said oh it's the same as alcohol i mean you can assert that but no one's explained how it is
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i think i've now multiple times explained how it definitely is not the same you may personally dislike it
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that's fine but i you need to give me an argument for why a man drinking one beer at night by himself
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is doing something wrong i guess that's the argument i want to hear okay um
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let's see what else uh this is from griffin says hello matt my fiancee 25 and i 21 are getting married
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in january she has an eight-year-old son we're also in the process of buying a house together
00:34:55.540
we're thrilled but also apprehensive because it's a bit of a leap of faith financially i have one year
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of school left before i get an engineering degree from a respected and demanding school my fiancee makes
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a good hourly wage but for the first year of our marriage she will have to be the provider financially
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as i won't be able to contribute a whole lot because of the commitment that my school will require
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my question to you is this would it be morally wrong for us to apply to receive food stamps while
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i'm finishing school with the new mortgage utilities and the like we will be under a lot of stress
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money-wise until i'm done with school and can enter the working world that's not to say that
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we won't be able to feed ourselves um and my soon-to-be stepson but there's no doubt that
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monthly food stamps would ease the burden and allow us a bit more freedom to save for the future and pay
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off minor outstanding debts that we have can i in good conscience call myself a conservative if i'm
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getting food stamps well griffin you asked for my opinion so i'll give it whether you can call yourself
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a conservative or not i who cares i i don't even know what that word means anymore nobody does so
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who cares about that but is it the right thing to do well i would say i i would say in your case
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no now i i can only go based on the description of the situation that you provided and you say you
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can afford food you you seem to indicate you could afford it rather easily uh but using food stamps would
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give you more financial freedom and it would allow you to save some money and also pay off your debts
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i mean the problem is anyone could justify food stamps on that basis it would give anyone
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financial freedom it would allow anyone more more of an ability to pay off debts and save some money
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um i just think that food stamps is supposed to be for people who can't afford food that's my now i
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know that's not how it's used but you asked for my opinion and so i'm giving you my my opinion is that
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if you can afford food you shouldn't be on food stamps if you can't then that's it's there for you
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um that's how it should be used but you have to follow your own conscience and perhaps you perhaps
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it's quite possible your actual situation is more dire than it comes across in your email maybe you
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were being you know more reserved and describing so i don't know so so who really cares what i have to
00:37:05.780
say you have to do what you think is right i think the fact that you're questioning it like this and
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you feel the need to ask the question might again be an indication that you know you know it's a
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little iffy so i don't know but that's that's just that's my that's my own that's my own personal
00:37:24.880
feeling about it um let's see from lucas says hi matt philosophical question for you is morality innate
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or is it the result of cultural conditioning if so why do we see differences in moral systems across
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the world yeah i think it's innate there's there's there's a lot of evidence for that
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but let me just mention let me mention just one one piece of evidence that i think is pretty
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interesting and and that is that people we talk about morality being innate well we know that
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in part because people are able to make instant and intricate moral distinctions without even
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thinking about it okay so one example and uh john the writer jonathan height talks about this in one
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of his books and i was reading another book recently that mentions this example i can't remember the name
00:38:15.480
of the book but if i think of it i'll say it um anyway the example touches on the the trolley
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problem which i've mentioned before on this show and the trolley problem asks what you would do
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if you saw a trolley headed towards a group of five people on on the tracks and there's a switch you
00:38:35.020
can flip if you flip it the trolley will change tracks and but there's one there's one guy walking
00:38:42.180
on the other track so if you flip the switch the trolley will go that way and hit the one guy rather
00:38:47.380
than the five and so the thought experiment is would you flip the switch now most people you ask and
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they've done surveys and studies with this and most people say yeah i'd flip the switch because you
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know it better to save the five now here's another scenario trolley on the tracks five people on the
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tracks but there's no switch instead you're standing on a bridge overlooking the scene and that guy who
00:39:15.860
was on the track well now he's actually up standing next to you and so you could push him onto the tracks
00:39:23.700
and thereby stop the trolley but kill him in the process now in that case would you push him
00:39:31.580
most people say no okay now the effect is the same in both cases one man dies instead of five
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so you could say for all intents and purposes what comes down to it it's the same thing the guy's dead
00:39:46.240
either way yet most people you talk to say i would flip the switch i wouldn't push the man
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why is that well i think the difference is so innately obvious to us that we don't appreciate
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how interesting it is that people can make that distinction so easily a computer program program
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couldn't make it if you fed that problem into a computer program the computer program is going to
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tell you it's the same because a computer isn't going to recognize any moral distinction between those
00:40:15.420
two things all the computer is looking at is the is the result but um and the computer is going to
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say well you know push push him or pull the switch he's dead either way you save the five who cares
00:40:27.840
so um you could ask someone that question you could try this yourself ask someone about those scenarios
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get their answer and then ask them why they answered that way and they probably can't tell you why
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even though they answer confidently and they answer almost automatically and i think they answer
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correctly a lot of people when you ask them why they would they'd struggle to explain even though
00:40:55.920
they're right so what's happening here well the philosophical distinction has to do with the
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principle of double effect which states that you can do a good act with a good effect
00:41:08.040
with a good effect effect intended even if a bad thing will also happen as a result as long as
00:41:15.320
that bad thing is not being done as a means to the good so it's a difference between double effect
00:41:22.540
and ends justify the means double effect you can do it and justify the means you can't morally
00:41:28.560
pulling the lever is double effect good at pulling the lever good intent saving the five people
00:41:34.540
killing the man is not the means to that effect it's just it's a it's a sort of a side effect it's a
00:41:40.200
it's it's a it's an unintended and tragic unfortunate although foreseen result but pushing the man onto the
00:41:49.140
track is a bad act because you push the man you murdered him and it's a it is the means by which
00:41:55.140
you save the five so that's wrong now here's my point and this is fascinating when you think about it
00:42:02.020
most people can automatically without even thinking and without knowing that they're doing
00:42:09.280
it and without being able to explain it after the fact most people can identify even like a 10 year
00:42:15.540
old can identify this very fine delicate philosophical distinction between double effect and ends justify
00:42:24.380
the means that is really fascinating when you think about it because when you when you really stop and
00:42:30.660
consider it and contemplate it it's a it's a it's a difficult thought experiment um now how is it how are we
00:42:40.680
able to reflexively and instantaneously make correct and profound moral distinctions that we can't even
00:42:49.760
explain i would say it's because it's innate you know it's almost for the same reason that our livers can
00:42:58.400
function even when we even if we can't explain how our liver functions and if we're not conscious of
00:43:03.560
it functioning it still does it no it's not exactly the same thing but a similar sort of you know the
00:43:08.240
way that we morally recognize these these distinctions is is is almost instinctive in in in in that kind of
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way um which tells me i i just i don't think something like cultural conditioning can explain that um
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because i don't i actually don't think the culture does condition us to recognize the difference
00:43:30.420
between double effect and ends justify the means in fact the culture even i think the culture especially
00:43:39.660
these days militates against this innate moral understanding so if you answer correctly on that
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thought experiment identifying even if you don't know it the difference between ends justify the means and
00:43:52.580
double effect you are doing it um despite actually i would say your cultural conditioning not because
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of it so that's one of the reasons why i think morality is innate but we could talk about it for
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three more hours which i won't do because we're gonna leave it there thanks everybody for watching
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