The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 396 - The Media's Anti-Gun Narrative Collapses

00:00:00.380 And we're back. Welcome to the show, everybody. Welcome to the new year. Happy new year. Happy new decade, unless you're one of those pedantic jerks that likes to claim that the new decade doesn't really start until 2021, which is really rude and outrageous, by the way.

00:00:16.440 If you're one of those people going around saying that, oh, we're not in the new decade yet.

00:00:20.420 It's like when I was celebrating my birthday in October and my wife said to me, but your birthday isn't until June.

00:00:26.580 And I said, so what? What difference does that make? I'll celebrate my birthday whenever I damn well please.

00:00:32.540 And we will celebrate the new decade whenever we damn well please. We might celebrate the new millennium next year.

00:00:38.160 We might celebrate the year 3000 next year if we feel like it, because time is relative, man.

00:00:44.420 But anyway, I don't even see how the pedantic jerks, and I say this as a pedantic jerk myself unapologetically,

00:00:54.340 but I don't think that it's correct in this case, because if the year 2021 is the actual start of the next decade,

00:01:03.060 that means that this year, 2020, is a part of the teens, or whatever we call the previous decade.

00:01:10.200 But if 2020 is part of the teens, then, for instance, 1980 is part of the 70s.

00:01:17.720 But how would you react if someone said, oh, I was born in the 70s, and you said, what year?

00:01:22.220 And they said, 1980. That doesn't make any sense.

00:01:25.520 In what universe is 80 part of 70s? It's not.

00:01:30.480 So we begin, so this is the new decade. I just want to put that thread.

00:01:36.600 And we begin the new decade talking about what happened this past weekend,

00:01:42.760 as I hadn't done a show until Thursday, so I haven't had a chance to talk about it.

00:01:47.100 Not a fun topic to start things off with, but it is important.

00:01:51.040 As you may have noticed, after the anti-Semitic attack in New York on Saturday,

00:01:57.660 and the church shooting in Texas on Sunday,

00:02:00.880 this argument has been ignited again about whether houses of worship,

00:02:06.760 places where people of faith congregate,

00:02:09.580 should have armed security and armed congregants.

00:02:12.840 I think, as this debate's happened over the last few days,

00:02:17.720 it is very oddly timed, to say the least.

00:02:21.340 Because, of course, the attack in Texas was neutralized within seconds

00:02:24.880 by an armed volunteer security guard named Jack Wilson.

00:02:30.420 So you think, what is there to discuss?

00:02:32.900 If he hadn't been there, many more people would have died.

00:02:37.380 He was, so they didn't.

00:02:40.460 And the math seems pretty straightforward.

00:02:42.920 Now, of course, you could argue,

00:02:44.980 and we'll get more into this in a second,

00:02:47.000 but you could argue that if the heroic Jack Wilson wasn't there,

00:02:50.980 the assailant might have still been taken down by any of the other,

00:02:54.860 I think it was five or six armed worshipers

00:02:57.480 who got up and also drew their weapons.

00:03:01.580 And that can be seen on video.

00:03:03.180 But their presence deals another blow

00:03:06.340 to the standard anti-gun talking points

00:03:08.360 that you always hear surrounding these situations.

00:03:10.960 Because we're often told that the problem

00:03:12.960 with the good guy with a gun strategy

00:03:15.100 is that all of those gun-toting good guys

00:03:18.420 would turn a mass shooting into a Wild West shootout

00:03:22.280 and there would just be bullets flying everywhere.

00:03:24.820 Now, even if that were true,

00:03:27.060 even if it were true that having good guys with guns

00:03:30.680 would turn it into a Wild West shootout

00:03:32.540 and there would be bullets flying everywhere,

00:03:35.200 wouldn't that be better than bullets flying

00:03:38.800 only in the direction of innocent bystanders?

00:03:43.360 Because that's usually how this goes.

00:03:46.060 There's a bunch of bullets flying,

00:03:48.460 but they're only going in one direction

00:03:49.860 and that is in the direction of the innocent people.

00:03:53.020 So, I don't think anybody wants church

00:03:55.760 to turn into a gunfight at O.K. Corral,

00:03:58.820 but I would rather have that

00:04:00.920 than just an all-out slaughter.

00:04:03.780 I would rather have that

00:04:04.920 than the massacre at Sutherland Springs,

00:04:07.800 where if you recall last year,

00:04:09.980 or two years ago,

00:04:10.760 26 people were shot and killed at church.

00:04:13.740 Now, this is a false choice anyway

00:04:17.920 because in the case in Texas over the weekend,

00:04:21.820 there was no gunfight.

00:04:24.220 There was no Wild West shootout.

00:04:27.480 There was no massacre on the level of Sutherland Springs,

00:04:30.880 although three people were killed.

00:04:33.900 And that's because a good guy returned fire,

00:04:36.700 killed the bad guy immediately.

00:04:38.900 And the other good guys with guns

00:04:41.240 refrained from spraying bullets all over the place.

00:04:45.140 You know, they didn't need to fire their weapons,

00:04:48.100 and so they didn't.

00:04:48.920 And that was the end of it.

00:04:50.900 Now, you compare that with the attack

00:04:53.300 at a rabbi's home in New York on Saturday,

00:04:55.920 where this scumbag was able to stab five people

00:05:00.720 with a machete before fleeing the scene unharmed.

00:05:03.700 And without guns to protect themselves,

00:05:06.600 the people in the home,

00:05:07.580 they were, you know, reports tell us

00:05:09.340 they were throwing tables and furniture

00:05:11.460 at the assailant.

00:05:13.600 And then they took down his license plate

00:05:15.400 as he rode away.

00:05:17.220 Now, you know, they weren't armed.

00:05:18.820 That's all they could do.

00:05:20.160 And they responded correctly,

00:05:22.240 given the situation.

00:05:23.000 But can any rational person

00:05:24.660 or any reasonable person

00:05:25.920 argue that victims are better off

00:05:28.640 defending themselves with furniture?

00:05:30.820 And with a notepad to write down

00:05:33.320 the guy's information when he leaves?

00:05:34.980 Is it better that they defend themselves that way

00:05:38.760 than with a firearm?

00:05:41.900 No.

00:05:42.200 Well, I mean, no reasonable

00:05:44.080 or rational person can argue that,

00:05:45.840 but there are a lot of irrational

00:05:47.100 and unreasonable people

00:05:48.260 who like to have their voice heard,

00:05:50.680 especially on this topic.

00:05:52.980 It seems to me that

00:05:54.180 these are indisputable facts.

00:05:57.780 And the events of this weekend prove it.

00:05:59.860 Here are the facts.

00:06:03.620 Houses of worship

00:06:04.580 or, you know, places where faithful congregate

00:06:10.080 should be protected with guns. 0.65

00:06:15.140 Members of minority groups

00:06:17.340 that are often the target of violent attacks

00:06:19.880 should protect themselves with guns.

00:06:21.920 Buildings that house our children

00:06:26.040 for eight hours a day

00:06:27.780 should be protected with guns. 0.65

00:06:31.420 Now, I agree with the anti-gun crowd 1.00

00:06:35.200 that these kinds of measures

00:06:37.620 should not be necessary.

00:06:40.580 Okay?

00:06:41.060 Society should be safer.

00:06:44.180 Just as I agree with the feminists 1.00

00:06:46.060 who, when we talk about women 0.99

00:06:47.500 protecting themselves,

00:06:48.520 and feminists will say, 1.00

00:06:49.400 well, women shouldn't have 1.00

00:06:51.000 to protect themselves

00:06:51.860 from raping men

00:06:53.080 because men shouldn't be raping 1.00

00:06:54.460 in the first place.

00:06:57.340 I agree.

00:06:58.560 They shouldn't be.

00:07:00.240 I agree that many things happen

00:07:02.540 in our world

00:07:03.260 that should not happen.

00:07:05.480 And our world should be different

00:07:07.860 from how it is.

00:07:08.820 And if there were any reliable way,

00:07:13.240 any feasible way,

00:07:15.280 to preempt all of these bad things

00:07:17.880 without using guns,

00:07:19.340 I'd be in favor of that.

00:07:21.920 But there isn't.

00:07:23.580 So I'm not.

00:07:26.760 All of these shoulds and shouldn'ts

00:07:29.440 just don't amount to anything

00:07:31.660 when the bad guy who shouldn't be bad

00:07:34.760 shows up in the place

00:07:37.040 where he shouldn't be

00:07:37.880 to actually do the bad thing

00:07:41.480 that he shouldn't be doing

00:07:42.460 with the gun

00:07:44.040 that he shouldn't have.

00:07:46.440 You know,

00:07:46.560 there's a whole lot of,

00:07:47.360 because there are times like that

00:07:49.860 where a whole lot of shouldn'ts

00:07:51.680 are happening.

00:07:53.600 And when that happens,

00:07:55.560 you're not going to stop the bullet

00:07:57.680 that's flying towards you.

00:07:59.100 You're not going to stop it

00:07:59.900 by talking about

00:08:00.740 what should and shouldn't be.

00:08:01.960 Because when shouldn't

00:08:04.180 becomes is,

00:08:06.220 which it so often does

00:08:07.760 in this fallen world of ours,

00:08:09.320 the only thing you can do

00:08:10.380 is respond to the reality

00:08:11.900 of the situation.

00:08:14.100 Yes, shouldn't, shouldn't, shouldn't.

00:08:15.560 That's true.

00:08:16.280 But it is.

00:08:17.380 It is happening.

00:08:20.300 You know, should and shouldn't.

00:08:21.620 These are good topics

00:08:22.520 for campaign speeches

00:08:24.060 and John Lennon lyrics.

00:08:26.020 But they're useless

00:08:27.480 when the lead is actually flying.

00:08:29.320 Now this is just about

00:08:30.800 responding to what's

00:08:32.120 actually happening.

00:08:33.420 And that's when you need a guy,

00:08:35.020 a very practical guy

00:08:36.180 like Jack Wilson,

00:08:37.520 and you need him to have

00:08:38.920 a very practical tool

00:08:40.420 like a gun.

00:08:42.320 And that's just the way it is,

00:08:43.600 whether we like it or not.

00:08:46.160 And that should sort of be

00:08:47.960 the end of the conversation.

00:08:50.820 All these, yes,

00:08:51.760 all these bad things

00:08:52.640 should not happen,

00:08:53.760 but they do.

00:08:55.920 And they will always happen

00:08:57.720 until the end of time.

00:09:00.300 And so we need to be

00:09:01.840 prepared to respond.

00:09:06.020 That should be it,

00:09:07.260 but it isn't.

00:09:08.380 The media is predictably

00:09:10.820 determined to find

00:09:12.200 a negative spin

00:09:13.100 for the Jack Wilson story

00:09:14.380 because it's just,

00:09:15.280 it's a story that's

00:09:16.500 so devastating to their narrative

00:09:18.080 for all the reasons

00:09:19.060 I've already described.

00:09:20.320 And they're going to absurd lengths

00:09:22.060 to find this negative spin.

00:09:25.500 For example,

00:09:26.280 USA Today published

00:09:27.460 an editorial yesterday

00:09:29.020 talking about

00:09:29.820 the truly terrifying aspect

00:09:31.920 of the church shooting.

00:09:33.100 Now, you would think

00:09:34.360 that the truly terrifying thing

00:09:36.500 is that a bad guy

00:09:37.520 went into a church

00:09:38.580 to shoot it up.

00:09:39.520 That's the terrifying thing.

00:09:41.400 But not according

00:09:42.520 to USA Today.

00:09:43.940 What's terrifying to them

00:09:45.360 is that so many parishioners

00:09:47.020 had the means

00:09:47.800 to defend themselves.

00:09:48.700 That's what's terrifying.

00:09:49.560 And we'll get into that op-ed

00:09:51.580 in a minute.

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00:11:21.860 So USA Today,

00:11:22.840 reading now from the article

00:11:24.560 by Elvia Diaz.

00:11:27.460 This is what it says.

00:11:29.040 Jack Wilson is a hero,

00:11:30.360 all right.

00:11:31.020 It took him only six seconds

00:11:32.580 to kill a gunman

00:11:33.420 at a Texas church,

00:11:34.380 saving countless lives.

00:11:36.060 Unfortunately,

00:11:36.640 that kind of split second heroism

00:11:38.160 has been turned into a PR tool

00:11:40.300 by gun advocates.

00:11:41.300 The reality of Wilson's heroism

00:11:43.660 is a lot more complex.

00:11:45.540 He wasn't just

00:11:46.060 an ordinary parishioner,

00:11:47.600 as gun advocates

00:11:48.280 may want you to believe.

00:11:49.660 The church's volunteer

00:11:50.440 security team member

00:11:51.320 is a firearms instructor,

00:11:53.440 gun range owner

00:11:54.220 and former reserve deputy

00:11:55.440 with a local sheriff's department,

00:11:57.060 according to a New York Times

00:11:57.820 detailed account.

00:11:59.480 In other words,

00:12:00.260 he's exactly the kind of man

00:12:01.660 you want around

00:12:02.540 with a firearm.

00:12:03.660 But we know nothing

00:12:04.800 about the at least

00:12:05.660 six other parishioners

00:12:06.820 who also appeared

00:12:07.580 to draw their handguns

00:12:08.560 at West Freeway Church of Christ

00:12:10.080 in White Settlement, Texas.

00:12:11.680 And that's terrifying.

00:12:13.780 Goes on a little bit later.

00:12:16.320 But have we really reached a point

00:12:17.560 when each of us need

00:12:18.480 to carry a firearm

00:12:19.380 anywhere we go?

00:12:20.660 Gun advocates 0.96

00:12:21.300 certainly think so.

00:12:22.100 They point to Wilson

00:12:22.880 and the new Texas law

00:12:23.780 that allows him to,

00:12:25.080 allows him and others

00:12:26.040 to carry firearms

00:12:26.860 inside the church.

00:12:27.600 President Donald Trump

00:12:28.320 said as much on Twitter Monday,

00:12:30.800 yada, yada, yada,

00:12:31.420 so on and so forth.

00:12:32.520 So this is exactly

00:12:33.440 what I'm talking about.

00:12:35.180 The focus here

00:12:37.620 is on should and shouldn't

00:12:39.720 rather than the reality.

00:12:40.760 The author says,

00:12:42.980 have we really reached

00:12:44.180 a point where,

00:12:45.200 you know,

00:12:45.460 these churchgoers

00:12:46.500 need to bring a gun

00:12:47.280 to church?

00:12:48.280 Yes, apparently we have.

00:12:50.620 Apparently we have

00:12:51.420 reached that point.

00:12:53.060 They needed to have a gun

00:12:54.380 and they did.

00:12:54.980 And if you want to say

00:12:58.280 that's terrifying,

00:12:59.820 then fine, I agree.

00:13:01.100 If you want to say

00:13:01.920 it's terrifying and terrible

00:13:03.260 that people have to be armed

00:13:05.140 wherever they go

00:13:06.040 and, you know,

00:13:06.480 that you need to even

00:13:07.180 think about this

00:13:07.900 when you go to church,

00:13:09.360 if you're saying

00:13:10.380 that's terrifying,

00:13:11.860 then yeah,

00:13:12.420 I agree.

00:13:13.120 It kind of is.

00:13:14.620 You could make it

00:13:15.520 less terrifying for yourself

00:13:16.920 by equipping yourself

00:13:18.300 with the means

00:13:19.340 to defend yourself

00:13:21.280 should the necessity

00:13:23.700 arise,

00:13:24.500 but it is kind of

00:13:25.920 a terrifying situation.

00:13:27.740 But to say

00:13:28.500 that it's terrifying

00:13:29.680 that people

00:13:30.460 who needed to be armed

00:13:31.600 to protect themselves

00:13:32.560 were armed

00:13:33.900 to protect themselves,

00:13:34.960 that makes no sense.

00:13:37.340 Would it have been better?

00:13:39.620 Would it have been

00:13:40.240 less terrifying

00:13:41.180 if the gunman

00:13:42.880 was the only guy

00:13:44.240 with a gun

00:13:44.660 in that church?

00:13:45.120 What if you were

00:13:47.040 in the church?

00:13:48.560 If you were there,

00:13:50.600 the gunman is there,

00:13:53.120 would you prefer

00:13:54.380 that some of your

00:13:56.440 fellow parishioners

00:13:57.240 have a gun

00:13:57.800 or maybe even

00:13:58.560 that you have one

00:13:59.300 or not?

00:14:01.780 If you were all unarmed,

00:14:04.020 would you look around

00:14:05.300 while you're huddled

00:14:06.040 under the pew,

00:14:06.860 you know,

00:14:07.120 just hoping that he

00:14:08.100 doesn't come

00:14:09.460 to your aisle?

00:14:10.780 Would you look around

00:14:11.560 and say,

00:14:11.980 thank God

00:14:12.680 nobody else

00:14:13.280 has a gun here?

00:14:14.740 Of course not.

00:14:15.420 See,

00:14:17.700 the problem,

00:14:18.120 and this is what

00:14:18.820 the media is doing,

00:14:19.660 that what they've

00:14:21.300 always told us,

00:14:22.820 what they've promised,

00:14:25.380 what they,

00:14:26.060 it seems like,

00:14:27.000 have hoped,

00:14:28.760 is that,

00:14:29.880 you know,

00:14:31.800 in a situation

00:14:32.800 where a gunman

00:14:34.300 shows up to a church

00:14:35.160 in a place like Texas

00:14:36.020 and there are

00:14:37.800 six or seven people

00:14:39.180 there carrying guns

00:14:40.760 and they all

00:14:41.140 pull them out,

00:14:42.400 what the media

00:14:43.180 has always told us

00:14:44.040 is that it's going

00:14:45.120 to turn into

00:14:45.520 a Wild West shootout,

00:14:46.680 bullets flying everywhere.

00:14:48.640 And now,

00:14:49.560 they're writing articles

00:14:50.420 and op-eds about it

00:14:51.320 as if that's actually

00:14:52.500 what happened.

00:14:53.520 But it isn't.

00:14:56.000 Those other gun owners 0.78

00:14:58.040 were responsible.

00:14:59.120 They pulled their firearms,

00:15:00.240 didn't fire them,

00:15:01.320 and that was it.

00:15:03.560 What's terrifying about it?

00:15:06.120 No, in fact,

00:15:07.700 if you were worried

00:15:08.840 about that happening,

00:15:10.680 this should make you

00:15:11.780 less terrified.

00:15:12.580 because you see that,

00:15:15.820 you know,

00:15:16.260 if somebody's

00:15:17.880 a law-abiding gun owner

00:15:19.520 and they're carrying

00:15:20.420 a gun legally,

00:15:22.980 they probably aren't

00:15:24.540 treating it like a toy.

00:15:26.540 They probably know

00:15:27.700 how to use it.

00:15:30.100 You know,

00:15:30.300 they're probably

00:15:30.840 responsible people

00:15:31.920 because people

00:15:34.540 who are irresponsible

00:15:35.480 don't know anything

00:15:36.360 about guns,

00:15:37.040 don't know how to use them,

00:15:38.140 don't know how to respond

00:15:39.320 in situations like this.

00:15:40.720 Most of those people

00:15:41.440 aren't legally carrying guns.

00:15:46.960 All right,

00:15:47.580 let's move on

00:15:49.020 to Pope Francis.

00:15:50.700 Pope Francis

00:15:51.500 viciously assaulting

00:15:53.880 a woman,

00:15:54.320 as the media

00:15:54.940 has framed it anyway.

00:15:56.860 And I think

00:15:57.420 it's appropriate

00:15:58.220 that we start

00:15:59.260 the new year

00:15:59.860 and the new decade,

00:16:00.880 which it is

00:16:01.520 a new decade,

00:16:02.380 with a controversy

00:16:04.200 like this.

00:16:05.620 I think it really

00:16:06.300 got things off on,

00:16:07.380 maybe not a good foot,

00:16:08.380 but an appropriate one,

00:16:10.280 given how incredibly stupid

00:16:11.480 I expect this year to be.

00:16:12.920 So we get a very stupid

00:16:13.760 controversy to start things.

00:16:15.580 So here's the footage

00:16:16.380 that went viral yesterday,

00:16:17.340 if you didn't see it,

00:16:18.280 prompting lots of people

00:16:20.300 to lash out at the Pope

00:16:21.640 and talk about how

00:16:23.020 the Pope assaulted somebody.

00:16:25.240 But this is Pope Francis

00:16:26.660 greeting a bunch of people,

00:16:28.420 I think on New Year's Eve,

00:16:29.800 and then this happened.

00:16:32.280 Watch.

00:16:32.520 So there you go.

00:16:46.840 First of all,

00:16:47.620 I admit,

00:16:49.060 I have been tempted

00:16:49.980 so many times

00:16:50.780 as a Catholic

00:16:51.460 to respond

00:16:52.900 exactly that way

00:16:54.200 during the,

00:16:55.380 you know,

00:16:55.900 the Catholics,

00:16:56.520 we have the weird

00:16:57.160 sign of peace thing

00:16:58.200 we do during church.

00:16:59.400 And that's why,

00:17:02.620 if you've never been

00:17:02.960 to a Catholic Mass,

00:17:03.820 it's right before communion.

00:17:06.140 You know,

00:17:06.620 everyone,

00:17:07.600 the first time

00:17:08.200 going to Catholic Mass,

00:17:09.140 you're always taken

00:17:09.920 off guard by this

00:17:10.820 because in the middle

00:17:11.580 of the Mass,

00:17:13.780 just seemingly

00:17:14.240 out of nowhere,

00:17:15.520 right before communion,

00:17:16.940 everyone turns

00:17:17.480 and starts shaking hands.

00:17:18.980 Now,

00:17:20.500 a lot of,

00:17:21.020 you know,

00:17:21.180 you go to a lot of different,

00:17:22.240 I've been to many

00:17:22.980 Protestant churches,

00:17:23.960 and oftentimes

00:17:24.540 they'll do a greeting thing

00:17:26.600 before church starts.

00:17:27.920 And I have to say,

00:17:30.080 as a Catholic,

00:17:30.840 I like,

00:17:32.320 I think that approach

00:17:33.180 makes a lot more sense.

00:17:34.080 If you're going to do

00:17:34.840 the greeting

00:17:35.380 and if you're going to do

00:17:36.820 the thing,

00:17:37.140 turn to your neighbor

00:17:38.140 and say hello.

00:17:39.420 I'm not a fan of it

00:17:40.420 in general.

00:17:41.180 I'm not a fan

00:17:41.700 of forced greetings

00:17:43.000 where somebody tells me

00:17:45.160 to turn to the person

00:17:45.880 next to me

00:17:46.260 and say hi to them.

00:17:47.080 If I want to say hi to them,

00:17:48.100 I will.

00:17:48.540 I don't need you,

00:17:49.360 I'm not a child,

00:17:49.960 I don't need you

00:17:50.520 ordering me around.

00:17:51.720 But if you're going to do that,

00:17:54.060 it makes sense to do it

00:17:55.160 before the service starts.

00:17:56.680 To do it,

00:17:58.780 not even midway through,

00:18:00.160 but like two-thirds

00:18:01.080 of the way through.

00:18:02.420 By the way,

00:18:03.520 hi,

00:18:04.100 hello.

00:18:05.080 It doesn't,

00:18:05.880 I'm not a fan of it.

00:18:06.640 I don't like it.

00:18:07.600 But,

00:18:08.100 you know,

00:18:09.400 my strategy

00:18:10.220 during the sign of the peace

00:18:11.220 as an antisocial person

00:18:14.020 and also as a germaphobe,

00:18:15.720 I don't really want to touch

00:18:16.940 the clammy hands

00:18:17.660 of the person next to me.

00:18:19.140 So,

00:18:19.840 what I,

00:18:20.060 you know,

00:18:20.200 I stand there stoically

00:18:21.420 during the sign of the peace

00:18:22.480 and I don't turn,

00:18:24.900 I don't turn around

00:18:25.700 to the people behind me

00:18:26.340 to shake their hand

00:18:27.000 because that's my right,

00:18:28.300 okay?

00:18:28.940 Bodily autonomy.

00:18:30.900 And,

00:18:31.260 but then oftentimes

00:18:32.740 somebody will,

00:18:33.600 you know,

00:18:33.800 if you don't turn around

00:18:34.700 to shake the hand

00:18:35.340 of the person behind you,

00:18:36.200 they'll tap on your shoulder

00:18:37.660 and then you kind of

00:18:39.840 turn around

00:18:40.380 and say,

00:18:41.320 peace be with you.

00:18:42.300 And they're trying to shove

00:18:43.320 their sweaty hand

00:18:45.140 into yours.

00:18:46.320 And so many times

00:18:47.400 I've wanted to,

00:18:48.080 get away, 0.97

00:18:48.680 I've wanted to do

00:18:49.220 that exact thing

00:18:50.040 that the Pope did.

00:18:52.160 And I feel like

00:18:53.160 this now gives me

00:18:55.060 the license to do it.

00:18:58.020 Because

00:18:58.380 as long as the,

00:18:59.580 if the Pope does something,

00:19:00.680 then that means we can

00:19:01.520 as Catholics.

00:19:02.300 At least that's what everyone,

00:19:03.440 that's what every non-Catholic assumes.

00:19:05.940 Everything the Pope does

00:19:06.860 is infallible.

00:19:08.460 And so just by the Pope

00:19:09.740 doing that,

00:19:10.280 that gives it,

00:19:10.820 that means we all can slap

00:19:11.820 whoever we want

00:19:12.380 as Catholics.

00:19:14.100 That's not really how it works,

00:19:15.440 but I wish in this case

00:19:16.840 it did work that way.

00:19:17.620 Anyway,

00:19:19.760 the way the media

00:19:21.960 has reported this,

00:19:23.720 they make it sound

00:19:24.440 like Pope Francis

00:19:25.200 like dropkicked the woman. 1.00

00:19:27.640 They're framing it,

00:19:28.660 which would have been

00:19:29.760 a sight to behold,

00:19:30.880 we have to admit.

00:19:32.400 The New York Times headline,

00:19:33.740 this is a New York Times headline,

00:19:34.800 says,

00:19:36.460 Pope Francis apologizes

00:19:38.040 after slapping away

00:19:39.860 a clinging pilgrim.

00:19:42.160 Slapping away

00:19:42.980 a clinging pilgrim.

00:19:45.360 Now,

00:19:45.660 you hear that headline,

00:19:46.560 you're imagining

00:19:47.140 based on that headline,

00:19:49.800 maybe a young child

00:19:51.320 in tattered rags,

00:19:53.340 dusty and dirty

00:19:54.140 from the long journey

00:19:55.180 on the holy pilgrimage,

00:19:57.520 running up to hug the Pope,

00:20:00.100 and the Pope just kicks him away.

00:20:01.960 Ew, yuck,

00:20:02.520 get off me, 0.88

00:20:04.260 you dirty peasant. 1.00

00:20:06.200 But that's not quite

00:20:07.420 what you actually see.

00:20:08.120 What you do see,

00:20:09.640 what Francis does here,

00:20:11.540 and this is honestly,

00:20:12.400 this is,

00:20:12.600 I'm not a big

00:20:13.560 Pope Francis fan myself,

00:20:16.020 to put it mildly,

00:20:17.340 and I don't support

00:20:19.480 most of the things

00:20:21.880 that he's,

00:20:22.260 or many of the things

00:20:23.200 that he's said and done.

00:20:24.180 This might be the first thing

00:20:25.720 that he's done

00:20:26.200 that I support.

00:20:28.200 This right here.

00:20:29.540 I have a strange new respect

00:20:31.140 for Pope Francis.

00:20:32.340 I'm totally on Team Pope,

00:20:33.940 Team Pope on this one,

00:20:35.100 because this was not

00:20:36.700 a violent assault.

00:20:37.320 This was the Pope

00:20:38.360 turning to leave

00:20:40.280 after greeting

00:20:41.860 probably hundreds of people.

00:20:43.860 He was going down the line.

00:20:45.360 It's got to end somewhere.

00:20:47.180 Okay,

00:20:47.320 if there's 50,000 people,

00:20:48.500 he's not going to shake

00:20:49.160 every single person's hand.

00:20:51.180 So he's turning to leave.

00:20:52.720 The woman reaches out. 0.98

00:20:55.480 Can you imagine

00:20:56.260 doing this to the Pope?

00:20:58.660 Or to anyone,

00:20:59.980 even if it wasn't the Pope.

00:21:01.780 Reaches out,

00:21:02.500 grabs him,

00:21:03.320 yanks him back,

00:21:04.900 and then this is really important.

00:21:06.560 He tries to pull his hand back

00:21:08.640 three times.

00:21:09.940 He doesn't immediately slap her.

00:21:11.320 And it's not like

00:21:11.600 he slaps her in the face. 0.97

00:21:13.380 He doesn't,

00:21:13.760 it's not like she pulls him

00:21:14.920 and he turns around,

00:21:15.780 bop.

00:21:16.240 That doesn't happen.

00:21:17.020 No.

00:21:20.000 He's just,

00:21:21.080 he's trying to,

00:21:22.000 he tries three times

00:21:23.080 to get his hand free.

00:21:24.980 And she won't let go.

00:21:26.440 And then finally,

00:21:27.160 he's, you know,

00:21:27.420 it's not hard.

00:21:28.000 It's just a little,

00:21:28.740 a little,

00:21:29.860 it's like if your kid's

00:21:31.160 reaching for the hot stove.

00:21:32.380 You might just do

00:21:32.880 a quick little

00:21:34.100 slap on the wrist.

00:21:39.760 What do you expect?

00:21:40.520 Keep in mind,

00:21:40.980 this is an 83-year-old man.

00:21:43.680 Likely has arthritis.

00:21:45.520 Arthrite,

00:21:46.000 arthritis.

00:21:48.200 Likely has arthritis.

00:21:49.800 You could tell

00:21:50.540 that he was in pain.

00:21:51.540 And I mean,

00:21:51.960 in all honesty,

00:21:52.500 you watch the video,

00:21:53.400 if you freeze frame it

00:21:54.420 right at the moment

00:21:55.040 where he's yanked in,

00:21:56.760 you can see

00:21:57.360 a visible grimace.

00:21:59.380 And also,

00:22:02.500 I mean,

00:22:02.800 if you've ever,

00:22:03.580 if you've ever

00:22:05.680 shook the hand

00:22:06.380 of a,

00:22:06.960 you know,

00:22:07.600 83-year-old person

00:22:09.200 before,

00:22:09.680 you know that it's,

00:22:11.240 you know,

00:22:11.400 they don't often have

00:22:12.140 the firmest grasp

00:22:13.180 because their bones

00:22:15.000 are,

00:22:15.440 you know,

00:22:16.840 not as strong

00:22:18.280 as they used to be.

00:22:19.160 And, you know,

00:22:19.600 it's very common

00:22:20.180 at that age

00:22:20.580 to have arthritis.

00:22:21.560 And so it's going

00:22:22.240 to be painful.

00:22:23.400 So it looks to me

00:22:24.600 like he's in pain

00:22:25.460 and he's just reacting

00:22:26.700 instinctively,

00:22:27.500 trying to pull his hand away

00:22:28.560 and she won't let go.

00:22:30.200 Yet, amazingly,

00:22:32.280 or maybe not so amazingly,

00:22:34.140 most people have taken

00:22:35.020 the woman's side on this, 0.87

00:22:37.040 which I find mind-boggling.

00:22:38.980 So often these days,

00:22:40.220 putting politics aside

00:22:41.320 because it doesn't seem

00:22:42.080 like there's a left-right

00:22:42.940 divide here,

00:22:44.820 but so often these days,

00:22:46.120 it seems like 95% of people

00:22:49.060 are reacting to a certain thing

00:22:50.500 in a certain way.

00:22:51.400 And I look at that reaction

00:22:52.700 and it just,

00:22:53.120 it boggles my mind.

00:22:53.880 I don't understand it.

00:22:55.540 How could you see that video

00:22:57.400 and take the woman's side?

00:23:02.920 Try, again, this is,

00:23:05.500 I think this would be

00:23:06.500 inappropriate to do

00:23:07.620 to anybody.

00:23:08.580 It's just,

00:23:09.200 it's not okay

00:23:09.900 to try to get

00:23:10.720 somebody's attention

00:23:11.560 by yanking them

00:23:12.700 towards you.

00:23:14.620 But imagine doing it

00:23:16.180 to the Pope.

00:23:17.860 Imagine doing it

00:23:18.600 to the President.

00:23:19.780 What do you think

00:23:20.240 would happen?

00:23:21.240 What do you think

00:23:21.580 would happen

00:23:21.940 if the President

00:23:22.600 was walking by

00:23:23.400 and you reached out

00:23:24.560 and grabbed him

00:23:25.580 and pulled him

00:23:26.720 towards you

00:23:27.260 and wouldn't let go?

00:23:28.980 Do you think,

00:23:29.660 I mean,

00:23:30.040 you wouldn't get,

00:23:31.200 there wouldn't be

00:23:31.960 any tug of war

00:23:32.960 back and forth

00:23:33.680 like there was

00:23:34.160 in this case.

00:23:34.660 And I'm kind of wondering

00:23:35.380 where was the Pope's security?

00:23:36.680 They're just sort of

00:23:37.160 standing there

00:23:37.860 not doing anything.

00:23:38.800 But with the President,

00:23:40.500 you couldn't make it

00:23:41.460 that far.

00:23:42.280 As soon as your hand

00:23:43.680 made contact

00:23:44.400 with his wrist,

00:23:45.820 you're going to be

00:23:46.440 on the ground

00:23:47.300 in a dog pile,

00:23:48.980 bum rushed

00:23:49.540 by Secret Service.

00:23:51.700 That's the way

00:23:52.260 that's going to go.

00:23:52.840 And I don't think

00:23:54.820 anyone would feel

00:23:55.420 sorry for you

00:23:56.180 because everybody

00:23:57.160 would say,

00:23:57.840 what are you doing

00:23:59.040 grabbing the President?

00:24:00.260 What do you think

00:24:00.880 is going to happen?

00:24:04.460 But,

00:24:05.060 as I said,

00:24:06.540 Pope or not Pope,

00:24:07.640 you just,

00:24:08.080 you don't do that.

00:24:08.780 And if you do that,

00:24:10.600 you grab somebody

00:24:11.460 and yank them towards you,

00:24:12.600 you deserve to get

00:24:13.380 your hand slapped away.

00:24:14.400 You know,

00:24:15.000 I don't care,

00:24:15.660 man, woman,

00:24:16.460 doesn't matter.

00:24:17.180 Because you have

00:24:18.240 no right to do that.

00:24:20.280 What is this woman 1.00

00:24:21.200 entitled to the Pope

00:24:22.800 attention?

00:24:25.040 Somebody told me

00:24:25.800 yesterday,

00:24:26.220 I was talking about

00:24:26.880 this on Twitter,

00:24:28.260 and somebody said,

00:24:29.900 well,

00:24:30.220 she was being ignored

00:24:31.200 by the Pope.

00:24:32.740 I mean,

00:24:33.320 ignored by the Pope.

00:24:34.480 She's one face 0.87

00:24:35.920 among 50,000 people,

00:24:38.180 and so if she doesn't

00:24:39.720 get that one-on-one time,

00:24:41.260 she herself

00:24:42.340 is being personally ignored?

00:24:44.540 Yeah,

00:24:44.800 I'm ignored by the Pope,

00:24:45.960 too.

00:24:46.080 He's never said hi to me.

00:24:46.940 I mean,

00:24:50.000 I've been ignored

00:24:50.760 by almost everybody

00:24:51.720 on earth

00:24:52.280 by that standard.

00:24:56.740 So,

00:24:57.140 the Pope goes,

00:24:58.400 and that's what we're

00:24:59.380 saying now.

00:24:59.840 She's entitled.

00:25:00.760 If the Pope walks by,

00:25:02.800 you are entitled

00:25:03.820 to the Pope's attention,

00:25:05.280 and if he doesn't

00:25:06.220 give it to you,

00:25:06.840 you can grab him

00:25:08.140 and yank him 0.98

00:25:08.940 towards you.

00:25:09.420 And if he gets away

00:25:12.320 from your grab,

00:25:12.780 you can tackle him.

00:25:16.360 Pick him up

00:25:16.920 like a fireman's carry.

00:25:18.040 Bring him back

00:25:18.460 to your,

00:25:18.820 you know,

00:25:20.780 dining room

00:25:21.680 and force him

00:25:22.260 to have dinner with you.

00:25:25.040 I mean,

00:25:25.480 he's a human being.

00:25:28.980 He doesn't have to

00:25:29.820 accept being grabbed

00:25:31.120 by whoever decides

00:25:31.940 to grab him.

00:25:34.600 All right.

00:25:36.060 So,

00:25:36.480 don't go grabbing

00:25:36.960 the Pope.

00:25:37.420 That's the,

00:25:37.860 that's the lesson.

00:25:39.420 here.

00:25:40.400 I like all,

00:25:40.960 by the way,

00:25:41.440 also,

00:25:41.880 all these people

00:25:42.580 saying,

00:25:43.080 well,

00:25:43.940 this,

00:25:45.200 you know,

00:25:45.600 other Popes

00:25:47.380 would never,

00:25:47.860 other Popes

00:25:48.480 would never do this.

00:25:49.580 This is unprecedented

00:25:50.360 for a Pope

00:25:50.920 to do this.

00:25:52.880 You know,

00:25:53.320 there have been,

00:25:54.440 I think there have

00:25:55.640 probably been a lot

00:25:56.260 of Popes

00:25:56.660 who would do that,

00:25:57.380 actually,

00:25:57.980 or worse,

00:25:59.100 if you grab them.

00:26:02.160 JP2,

00:26:02.640 maybe not.

00:26:05.140 Benedict,

00:26:05.760 I could see it

00:26:06.540 with Benedict.

00:26:07.260 I think Benedict

00:26:08.020 never strike me

00:26:08.860 as the kind of man

00:26:09.400 that you want

00:26:09.760 to just grab

00:26:10.380 and,

00:26:10.780 you know.

00:26:13.080 But there have,

00:26:13.860 I wouldn't be so quick

00:26:15.380 to assume that,

00:26:17.700 if this was the Middle Ages

00:26:18.860 and you just,

00:26:20.120 and you did that

00:26:20.600 to a Pope,

00:26:21.820 I think a slap

00:26:24.340 on the wrist

00:26:24.840 would be about

00:26:25.300 the best case scenario

00:26:27.900 for you

00:26:28.360 in that situation.

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00:27:48.860 before we get to emails,

00:27:50.640 Mayor Bill de Blasio

00:27:51.840 is coming after Domino's,

00:27:55.120 criticizing them.

00:27:56.180 For hiking the prices

00:27:57.400 on their pizzas

00:27:59.280 on New Year's Eve

00:28:00.080 in New York.

00:28:01.720 There was a headline

00:28:03.340 that says,

00:28:04.100 Domino's sells

00:28:04.880 $30 pizzas

00:28:05.880 to Times Square

00:28:07.080 ball drop revelers

00:28:08.300 on New Year's Eve.

00:28:09.620 And the mayor

00:28:10.360 saw this

00:28:10.940 and tweeted,

00:28:12.100 jacking up your prices

00:28:13.220 on people

00:28:14.240 trying to celebrate

00:28:15.000 the holidays?

00:28:15.820 Classy, Domino's.

00:28:17.300 To the thousands

00:28:17.920 who came to Times Square

00:28:18.800 last night

00:28:19.320 to ring in 2020,

00:28:20.620 I'm sorry

00:28:21.100 this corporate trade

00:28:22.080 chain exploited you.

00:28:23.840 Stick it to them

00:28:24.560 by patronizing

00:28:25.340 one of our fantastic

00:28:26.340 local pizzerias.

00:28:29.600 You know,

00:28:29.900 Bill de Blasio

00:28:31.320 can never

00:28:33.020 forfeit

00:28:36.500 an opportunity

00:28:37.580 to embarrass himself

00:28:38.460 or to do

00:28:39.780 the class warfare

00:28:40.520 schtick.

00:28:41.660 And so he's trying

00:28:42.540 to do it here.

00:28:43.100 The problem is,

00:28:43.780 this is absurd

00:28:44.300 on a number of levels.

00:28:45.200 Number one,

00:28:46.300 this was a decision

00:28:47.140 made by the local

00:28:48.560 franchise,

00:28:49.360 not by corporate

00:28:50.440 Domino's headquarters.

00:28:52.300 Number two,

00:28:53.220 everything in New York

00:28:54.140 is expensive.

00:28:55.960 It's like the mayor

00:28:56.800 just noticed

00:28:57.780 that when you go

00:28:59.600 to Times Square,

00:29:00.620 things are a lot

00:29:01.700 more expensive

00:29:02.260 than they are

00:29:02.820 if you're not

00:29:03.400 in Times Square.

00:29:05.800 And number three,

00:29:07.200 maybe it's just me,

00:29:08.060 but $30 for a pizza

00:29:09.200 isn't even that bad.

00:29:10.160 I mean,

00:29:10.320 it's bad.

00:29:11.140 It's more than I would pay,

00:29:12.220 especially for a Domino's pizza.

00:29:13.240 But if you had told me

00:29:15.860 that a large pizza

00:29:16.800 in Times Square

00:29:17.700 on New Year's Eve

00:29:18.300 costs $50,

00:29:19.500 I would not have been surprised.

00:29:21.060 But number four,

00:29:21.680 here's my primary point.

00:29:25.320 Anybody dumb enough

00:29:26.820 to stand in the freezing cold

00:29:29.420 in Times Square

00:29:30.120 for 11 hours,

00:29:31.880 shoulder to shoulder

00:29:32.660 with drunk strangers,

00:29:34.540 with no bathroom in sight,

00:29:37.020 just to see a glowing orb

00:29:38.780 descend slightly down a pole

00:29:40.640 for 10 seconds,

00:29:41.540 deserves to be exploited

00:29:44.500 in this way.

00:29:46.180 I mean,

00:29:46.540 you deserve it.

00:29:47.720 That's the main thing.

00:29:49.520 I think about this

00:29:50.400 every year

00:29:50.960 when we watch

00:29:52.340 the ball drop

00:29:52.920 in my house.

00:29:53.560 We turn it on

00:29:54.780 at like 11.58,

00:29:56.160 and we watch for two minutes,

00:29:57.120 and then we turn it off.

00:29:58.420 But

00:29:58.680 I always think,

00:30:01.980 why in God's name

00:30:03.240 do all of these maniacs

00:30:05.200 show up there

00:30:06.120 just to stand

00:30:07.620 for hours on end

00:30:08.800 in the cold

00:30:10.240 with drunk people

00:30:12.200 peeing their pants

00:30:13.100 all around you,

00:30:14.080 and the big payoff

00:30:15.420 is that the shiny thing

00:30:16.740 on the building

00:30:17.440 like

00:30:17.960 moves location,

00:30:19.960 goes from here to here?

00:30:22.960 I still remember,

00:30:23.880 I remember my disappointment

00:30:25.260 the first time

00:30:25.900 that I watched

00:30:26.540 the ball drop

00:30:27.480 when I was a kid

00:30:28.540 because for years,

00:30:30.960 you know,

00:30:31.360 before my parents

00:30:32.140 let me stay up

00:30:32.740 until midnight

00:30:33.060 to watch it,

00:30:33.860 that was when I was

00:30:34.380 maybe like 8 or 9

00:30:35.760 or something,

00:30:36.760 but for the years

00:30:37.500 leading up to that,

00:30:39.160 I'd always heard

00:30:40.000 about the ball drop,

00:30:41.620 and I'd always wondered,

00:30:43.620 you know,

00:30:44.160 what it was.

00:30:44.900 I'd heard about

00:30:45.360 this mystical ball drop,

00:30:46.960 and everybody

00:30:47.880 stays up to watch it,

00:30:49.760 and they go,

00:30:50.580 and millions of people.

00:30:53.260 I imagine,

00:30:54.420 I didn't know exactly

00:30:55.100 what I was expecting.

00:30:55.980 I guess I thought

00:30:56.940 the ball would be

00:30:57.740 300 feet

00:30:58.760 in circumference,

00:31:00.200 and it would descend

00:31:01.000 from the clouds,

00:31:02.280 and it would explode,

00:31:04.240 and leprechauns

00:31:05.200 riding unicorns

00:31:06.300 would emerge

00:31:07.580 and grant wishes

00:31:08.720 to everybody watching.

00:31:10.140 Something like that.

00:31:11.380 But instead,

00:31:11.860 I watch it,

00:31:13.000 and what I see

00:31:14.300 is this pathetic

00:31:14.980 little shiny thing

00:31:16.060 just ever so slightly

00:31:18.640 adjust its position

00:31:19.600 on the pole.

00:31:21.200 And so that's

00:31:21.980 the real outrage here,

00:31:22.920 not the pizza.

00:31:24.660 It's how pathetic

00:31:25.760 and anti-pictive

00:31:27.740 anticlimactic

00:31:28.520 the ball drop is.

00:31:31.920 It's the year 2020,

00:31:33.360 for God's sakes.

00:31:34.560 It's the 20s,

00:31:35.660 for goodness sake.

00:31:37.200 We could do better

00:31:38.020 than that.

00:31:39.700 All right,

00:31:40.220 let's go to emails.

00:31:42.000 mattwalshow

00:31:42.460 at gmail.com,

00:31:43.560 mattwalshow

00:31:44.160 at gmail.com.

00:31:46.320 This is from Julie.

00:31:47.400 Julie says,

00:31:48.620 please,

00:31:49.180 please address

00:31:49.840 one of the things

00:31:50.500 that bothers me the most.

00:31:51.860 When people say

00:31:52.960 New Year's,

00:31:54.720 it's New Year,

00:31:56.020 a singular noun

00:31:56.840 naming the day

00:31:57.500 we celebrate a new year.

00:31:59.380 Not the New Year's.

00:32:01.380 That would signify

00:32:02.440 multiple years.

00:32:04.180 Do we say

00:32:05.020 Happy Birthdays?

00:32:06.420 Merry Christmases?

00:32:07.900 Nope,

00:32:08.300 just simply

00:32:08.900 Happy New Year.

00:32:09.940 When people say,

00:32:11.120 what are you doing

00:32:11.640 for New Year's,

00:32:12.560 they're really,

00:32:13.240 and apparently not aware,

00:32:14.100 that they're trying to say,

00:32:14.900 what are you doing

00:32:16.160 for New Year's Eve?

00:32:17.560 It drives me mad.

00:32:20.200 P.S.

00:32:20.680 Happy New Year.

00:32:22.420 Yeah, Julie,

00:32:23.140 see,

00:32:23.380 I said that I'm

00:32:24.320 a pedantic jerk myself,

00:32:26.900 and this is,

00:32:27.440 now,

00:32:28.000 this is a thing

00:32:28.920 that I'm pedantic about as well,

00:32:30.100 and I agree with you,

00:32:31.020 that it's just,

00:32:32.120 it makes you sound illiterate

00:32:34.060 when you say New Year's.

00:32:39.340 Moving on to Carl,

00:32:40.780 says,

00:32:41.160 from Carl,

00:32:41.520 from Carl,

00:32:42.240 says,

00:32:42.420 hi, Matt,

00:32:42.920 I saw you defending

00:32:43.700 the Pope on Twitter

00:32:44.460 for beating the woman

00:32:45.320 who tried to talk to him.

00:32:47.200 For beating the woman 1.00

00:32:48.400 who tried to talk to him.

00:32:50.000 Honest question,

00:32:51.600 WWJD.

00:32:53.420 Jesus never responded

00:32:54.540 that way to people.

00:32:55.360 Isn't that enough

00:32:55.940 to settle the argument?

00:32:57.200 Okay, Carl,

00:32:57.860 first of all,

00:32:58.500 I think you know

00:32:59.200 that your characterization here

00:33:00.420 is a little bit ridiculous.

00:33:01.860 He didn't beat anyone.

00:33:03.180 He didn't beat a woman 0.98

00:33:04.100 for trying to talk to him.

00:33:06.140 But before we get to WWJD,

00:33:08.880 what about WWCD?

00:33:10.500 Okay,

00:33:11.360 what would Carl do?

00:33:12.900 Think about that.

00:33:13.620 What would you do?

00:33:16.020 How would you react

00:33:17.260 if you were walking

00:33:18.360 down the street

00:33:18.920 and a stranger grabbed you,

00:33:20.760 yanked you towards them,

00:33:22.120 wouldn't let go

00:33:22.940 as you tried to release yourself

00:33:24.360 from their grasp three times?

00:33:26.920 Wouldn't you be well

00:33:27.860 within your rights

00:33:28.440 to slap them away?

00:33:30.220 Or would you just sit there

00:33:31.780 obediently

00:33:33.360 for as long as they want

00:33:34.220 to hold on to you?

00:33:34.880 Now,

00:33:37.140 you know,

00:33:38.880 I'm not saying WWCD,

00:33:40.620 what would Carl do

00:33:42.300 or what would I do?

00:33:43.140 That's not,

00:33:44.240 that's not,

00:33:45.620 that doesn't always justify

00:33:47.280 just because someone's done something

00:33:48.680 and you say,

00:33:49.160 well, I would do the same thing

00:33:50.000 doesn't mean that it's okay.

00:33:51.880 But I am saying

00:33:52.720 that before we pass judgment

00:33:54.000 on somebody,

00:33:55.220 we should think,

00:33:56.240 would I react the same way?

00:33:57.700 As for Jesus,

00:34:02.680 first of all,

00:34:03.740 you know,

00:34:04.600 you can't really say

00:34:06.360 that he never responded

00:34:08.120 that way to people.

00:34:10.120 Somebody made this point

00:34:11.140 on Twitter yesterday

00:34:11.860 and I think it's important,

00:34:13.320 it's a good point.

00:34:14.420 We actually have no idea

00:34:16.200 what Jesus did

00:34:18.080 or what he said

00:34:19.240 for 99.9% of his life.

00:34:22.920 You know,

00:34:23.180 for 99.9% of the time

00:34:24.700 that he spent on earth.

00:34:26.000 We have,

00:34:26.600 we really don't know

00:34:27.720 what he did or said.

00:34:29.160 So, you know,

00:34:30.240 he died at 33,

00:34:31.300 we think.

00:34:32.900 And the Gospels tell us

00:34:34.320 a little bit about his birth

00:34:35.480 and then nothing at all

00:34:37.300 except for one brief story

00:34:38.420 when he was an adolescent.

00:34:40.560 But then other than that,

00:34:41.740 nothing until he gets

00:34:42.740 to be about 30 or so.

00:34:43.900 And even then,

00:34:44.900 all of the Gospels

00:34:45.920 put together

00:34:47.540 give us,

00:34:48.340 what,

00:34:48.880 I don't know,

00:34:49.180 a few dozen scenes

00:34:50.400 of his life

00:34:50.920 during that time?

00:34:52.120 Maybe less than that?

00:34:54.180 Jesus lived a life,

00:34:55.540 a life consisting of

00:34:57.140 24 hours in a day

00:34:59.040 and he had about

00:35:00.240 12,000 of those days

00:35:01.740 and we have no idea

00:35:03.920 what happened

00:35:04.620 during all of those days

00:35:07.040 except for a few.

00:35:09.680 Now,

00:35:10.400 I'm not saying

00:35:12.400 that Jesus was going around

00:35:13.600 slapping the hell 0.82

00:35:14.280 out of people

00:35:14.760 for the rest of the time

00:35:15.920 that the Gospels

00:35:17.200 don't record.

00:35:18.220 I think probably

00:35:19.200 he wasn't.

00:35:20.580 I'm just saying

00:35:21.380 that you have to be careful

00:35:22.660 with statements like

00:35:23.700 Jesus never did XYZ.

00:35:26.320 You have to be,

00:35:26.940 and I think we all

00:35:28.020 get loose with that sometimes.

00:35:29.340 I know I've done it too.

00:35:30.960 That Jesus never said

00:35:31.940 or Jesus never did.

00:35:32.800 What you mean to say is

00:35:34.100 Jesus is never recorded

00:35:36.800 saying or doing XYZ.

00:35:40.600 Which in this case

00:35:41.580 isn't even true

00:35:42.440 because Jesus did

00:35:43.360 with people

00:35:44.100 at the,

00:35:44.800 you know,

00:35:45.220 in the cleansing

00:35:46.000 of the temple.

00:35:46.800 We get,

00:35:47.520 that's recorded

00:35:48.040 in all four Gospels

00:35:49.020 and he drives

00:35:50.460 people out

00:35:50.860 with a whip.

00:35:52.440 And that's

00:35:52.780 physical violence

00:35:53.880 that he used.

00:35:54.860 Different situation

00:35:55.780 of course,

00:35:56.500 but if you're

00:35:57.660 insinuating

00:35:58.040 that he never,

00:35:59.300 you know,

00:36:00.120 physically made contact

00:36:01.760 with someone

00:36:02.100 in that kind

00:36:02.960 of aggressive way,

00:36:04.480 that's,

00:36:04.940 it's not true.

00:36:05.700 We know that's not true

00:36:06.720 because it's recorded

00:36:07.420 in the Gospels.

00:36:09.120 But,

00:36:09.740 you know,

00:36:11.280 when we talk about

00:36:12.040 what Jesus never did

00:36:13.180 for the times

00:36:14.300 when he's not

00:36:15.380 on camera,

00:36:16.180 so to speak,

00:36:17.440 well,

00:36:17.840 we could say

00:36:18.300 that Jesus

00:36:18.700 never did

00:36:19.280 a sinful thing.

00:36:21.160 So you could say

00:36:22.060 that,

00:36:22.420 yeah.

00:36:23.980 But,

00:36:24.940 and you could say

00:36:26.320 he never did

00:36:26.800 anything anachronistic.

00:36:29.060 Okay,

00:36:29.480 it's probably safe

00:36:30.140 to say that he never

00:36:30.940 played Street Fighter

00:36:32.400 or watched Breaking Bad

00:36:34.340 or used an iPhone

00:36:35.080 given the time period

00:36:36.820 that he lived in.

00:36:38.360 But,

00:36:39.420 if what we're talking

00:36:40.840 about is not sinful

00:36:42.060 and it wouldn't be

00:36:43.680 out of place

00:36:44.500 for the time period

00:36:45.240 he lived in,

00:36:45.780 then we,

00:36:46.860 we can't really say

00:36:48.360 that he never did it.

00:36:51.260 So,

00:36:51.820 is it sinful

00:36:52.620 to swat someone's hand away

00:36:53.880 when they're grabbing you?

00:36:55.120 I don't think it is.

00:36:56.600 Why would that be sinful?

00:36:59.300 And if it's not,

00:37:00.740 and there's nothing about it

00:37:01.860 that's,

00:37:02.380 again,

00:37:02.560 out of place

00:37:03.180 for the time period,

00:37:04.660 I don't know,

00:37:05.620 maybe he did.

00:37:07.120 Can't really say.

00:37:10.200 All right.

00:37:12.420 From

00:37:12.820 Brian says,

00:37:15.140 hi Matt,

00:37:15.560 I read your piece

00:37:16.180 about guns in church

00:37:17.260 and schools.

00:37:18.140 Be real about this.

00:37:19.140 Would you really want

00:37:19.780 to send your kids

00:37:20.480 to school

00:37:20.880 where people are

00:37:21.500 toting guns

00:37:22.140 all over the place?

00:37:25.760 The way that you

00:37:26.860 make it sound,

00:37:29.000 no,

00:37:29.300 I wouldn't want that

00:37:30.040 because you're trying

00:37:30.740 to make it sound

00:37:31.240 like you're going

00:37:32.160 into school

00:37:32.660 and everybody's got a gun

00:37:34.080 including the kids

00:37:34.900 and they're all just,

00:37:35.740 you know,

00:37:36.080 twirling their pistols

00:37:37.120 with their fingers

00:37:37.920 and stuff like that.

00:37:39.140 Yeah,

00:37:39.540 of course,

00:37:39.960 nobody wants that.

00:37:41.440 But would I want

00:37:42.680 to send my kid

00:37:43.280 to a school

00:37:43.900 where there are

00:37:45.460 competent adults

00:37:46.980 who know

00:37:48.860 how to use firearms

00:37:49.940 and are legally

00:37:50.680 carrying them?

00:37:52.580 Absolutely.

00:37:54.880 And I'm kind of

00:37:55.940 at the point

00:37:56.320 where that's a prerequisite

00:37:57.480 actually for me

00:37:58.300 sending my kid

00:37:58.880 to a school.

00:37:59.440 I think I would need that.

00:38:03.520 And as I've pointed

00:38:04.520 out many times,

00:38:05.200 public schools

00:38:07.200 are government buildings

00:38:09.120 and, you know,

00:38:12.060 we could list

00:38:12.960 dozens of other types

00:38:15.120 of government buildings

00:38:16.100 that are guarded

00:38:17.620 by armed security

00:38:19.540 including even

00:38:21.180 you go to the

00:38:21.700 social service office

00:38:23.100 to get a new

00:38:23.780 social security card

00:38:24.920 or something

00:38:25.280 and there's going

00:38:26.960 to be a security guard

00:38:29.060 sitting there

00:38:29.680 with a gun.

00:38:33.240 When's the last time

00:38:34.260 the social security office

00:38:35.360 got robbed?

00:38:37.220 Doesn't happen very often.

00:38:40.060 Yet, you know,

00:38:41.160 there's an armed person there.

00:38:43.460 You go to Congress,

00:38:44.600 certainly there's going

00:38:45.240 to be armed security.

00:38:46.880 So,

00:38:47.280 if we

00:38:48.420 have

00:38:49.860 armed security

00:38:51.900 in government buildings

00:38:52.920 to protect documents,

00:38:55.520 to protect

00:38:56.500 politicians,

00:38:58.400 why wouldn't we have it

00:39:00.360 to protect

00:39:00.880 children?

00:39:02.300 Our own children

00:39:03.040 especially.

00:39:04.260 That doesn't make sense

00:39:05.440 to me.

00:39:06.040 This is from Beth,

00:39:06.720 says,

00:39:06.980 Matt,

00:39:07.200 I'm disappointed

00:39:07.740 in your take

00:39:08.340 on guns and churches.

00:39:09.540 I expect most

00:39:10.280 conservative pundits

00:39:11.060 to take the standard

00:39:11.840 talking point lines

00:39:12.980 but you usually

00:39:14.320 are more thoughtful

00:39:15.040 than that.

00:39:16.100 Do you acknowledge

00:39:16.840 that there is a gun

00:39:18.080 violence epidemic

00:39:18.900 in our country?

00:39:20.420 If so,

00:39:21.260 how can you deny

00:39:22.080 that reducing

00:39:22.700 the number of guns

00:39:23.400 will at least

00:39:23.820 have some positive

00:39:24.660 effect

00:39:25.040 on reducing

00:39:26.320 the epidemic?

00:39:27.060 Well,

00:39:27.280 Beth,

00:39:28.000 I don't acknowledge

00:39:30.140 the gun violence

00:39:30.880 epidemic as you put it

00:39:32.060 and I'll tell you why.

00:39:32.800 because 60%

00:39:34.640 of the gun deaths

00:39:36.120 every year

00:39:36.740 are suicides.

00:39:38.180 60%.

00:39:38.660 Now,

00:39:40.060 I do think

00:39:41.180 there's a suicide

00:39:41.920 epidemic

00:39:42.460 and that's a big

00:39:43.660 problem

00:39:43.880 but hopefully

00:39:44.280 you would agree

00:39:44.800 that guns

00:39:45.940 have almost

00:39:46.320 nothing to do

00:39:46.740 with it.

00:39:47.980 People might

00:39:48.720 choose to use

00:39:49.500 a gun to kill

00:39:50.140 themselves

00:39:50.500 if there's

00:39:51.080 one available

00:39:51.560 but do you

00:39:52.740 think you could

00:39:53.140 permanently stop

00:39:54.160 somebody from

00:39:54.560 killing themselves

00:39:54.980 just by keeping

00:39:56.240 them away from

00:39:56.800 a gun?

00:39:57.080 Well,

00:39:58.020 I think

00:39:58.200 obviously not.

00:39:58.880 Any more

00:39:59.160 than you could

00:39:59.480 permanently stop

00:40:00.100 someone from

00:40:00.440 killing themselves

00:40:00.960 by keeping

00:40:02.140 them away from

00:40:03.020 pills or

00:40:05.000 high ledges

00:40:05.920 or ropes

00:40:07.240 or any of the

00:40:08.040 other ways

00:40:08.560 that people

00:40:08.840 use to do

00:40:09.380 this.

00:40:11.000 So,

00:40:11.860 I think

00:40:14.880 it's clearly

00:40:16.060 absurd to

00:40:16.880 blame guns

00:40:17.720 for suicides.

00:40:18.760 And I don't

00:40:22.340 think that

00:40:22.900 suicides can

00:40:23.700 get lumped

00:40:24.320 into the

00:40:24.860 gun violence

00:40:25.680 epidemic

00:40:26.180 statistic.

00:40:27.160 I think it's

00:40:27.480 extremely misleading

00:40:28.600 because when

00:40:30.480 we hear about

00:40:31.620 the gun

00:40:32.080 violence epidemic

00:40:32.860 obviously what

00:40:34.600 comes immediately

00:40:35.420 to mind

00:40:36.180 is murder.

00:40:38.120 And it sounds

00:40:38.740 like when you

00:40:39.660 say there's a

00:40:40.160 gun violence

00:40:40.600 epidemic,

00:40:41.420 it sounds like

00:40:42.400 you're saying

00:40:42.820 there's an

00:40:43.240 epidemic of

00:40:44.580 people going

00:40:45.780 into buildings

00:40:46.380 or walking

00:40:46.860 across the street

00:40:47.500 or whatever

00:40:47.880 and using a

00:40:48.540 gun,

00:40:48.760 to kill

00:40:49.300 somebody else

00:40:50.000 or multiple

00:40:50.520 people.

00:40:51.780 That certainly

00:40:52.600 is the

00:40:53.620 impression

00:40:54.080 that's given

00:40:54.600 to us.

00:40:55.320 But when you

00:40:56.080 look at the

00:40:56.420 numbers and

00:40:58.480 what comprises

00:40:59.300 most of the

00:41:00.800 so-called gun

00:41:01.920 violence epidemic,

00:41:02.780 it is suicide.

00:41:04.200 And so that's

00:41:04.680 why it's

00:41:04.980 misleading.

00:41:05.880 Now, if you

00:41:06.940 take out

00:41:07.360 suicide, 0.90

00:41:08.440 you're left

00:41:08.940 with maybe

00:41:09.380 10,000 or

00:41:09.820 15,000

00:41:10.440 homicides by

00:41:12.200 gun every

00:41:12.860 year in the

00:41:13.260 U.S.

00:41:13.640 in a population

00:41:14.300 of 330

00:41:14.960 million.

00:41:16.180 So that's

00:41:16.760 one in every

00:41:17.540 what,

00:41:18.180 33,000

00:41:18.960 people.

00:41:20.220 Another way

00:41:20.780 to look at

00:41:21.100 this,

00:41:22.260 a football

00:41:22.760 stadium typically

00:41:23.520 fits 70,000

00:41:24.320 people.

00:41:25.420 So in any

00:41:25.920 given football

00:41:26.560 stadium packed

00:41:27.240 to the rafters,

00:41:28.600 two of the

00:41:29.160 people in that

00:41:30.020 whole stadium

00:41:30.480 will die by

00:41:32.140 gun homicide

00:41:33.100 in their life.

00:41:33.640 And that

00:41:35.220 actually, I

00:41:36.000 think, makes

00:41:37.340 it seem worse

00:41:37.960 than it is

00:41:38.480 because there's

00:41:40.080 a very good

00:41:40.560 chance that in

00:41:41.240 any given

00:41:41.660 stadium, nobody

00:41:42.880 in the whole

00:41:43.520 building is

00:41:44.360 going to die

00:41:44.900 by gun

00:41:46.880 violence.

00:41:48.360 Because the

00:41:49.060 inner city

00:41:49.600 accounts for a

00:41:50.900 disproportionate

00:41:51.560 amount of the

00:41:52.160 gun homicides.

00:41:52.840 So it's not

00:41:53.600 like this is a

00:41:54.320 problem spread

00:41:54.980 evenly throughout

00:41:55.700 the U.S.

00:41:56.260 But any

00:41:58.080 way you look

00:41:58.560 at it, you

00:41:59.740 know, I

00:42:00.800 don't think

00:42:01.200 10,000 in a

00:42:02.800 country of

00:42:03.220 330 million

00:42:04.100 counts as an

00:42:04.720 epidemic.

00:42:05.040 The only way

00:42:07.440 that 10,000

00:42:08.320 homicides in a 0.94

00:42:09.120 country of

00:42:09.580 330 million

00:42:10.720 can be called

00:42:12.480 an epidemic

00:42:13.000 is if you're

00:42:14.620 starting

00:42:15.280 from, from

00:42:17.840 with an

00:42:18.760 assumption or

00:42:19.680 a hope or a

00:42:20.440 belief that

00:42:21.760 nobody will be

00:42:22.740 murdered in a

00:42:23.800 country of

00:42:24.180 330 million.

00:42:25.460 So if your

00:42:26.240 expectation is

00:42:27.360 zero and you

00:42:29.280 end up, and

00:42:29.800 then you look

00:42:30.220 and it's 10,000,

00:42:31.700 well, yeah,

00:42:32.280 that's an

00:42:32.700 epidemic.

00:42:33.860 But if you

00:42:35.020 begin with an

00:42:35.920 understanding of

00:42:36.700 human nature

00:42:37.300 and an

00:42:39.500 acknowledgement

00:42:40.080 that murder

00:42:41.960 will happen

00:42:42.840 and that it

00:42:43.660 does happen in

00:42:44.560 every country,

00:42:45.560 no matter what,

00:42:47.380 then you have

00:42:48.260 to ask yourself

00:42:48.820 realistically,

00:42:50.640 best case

00:42:51.260 scenario, what

00:42:52.740 should the

00:42:53.720 murder rate

00:42:54.500 be?

00:42:56.460 You know,

00:42:56.760 what I'm

00:42:57.040 saying is,

00:42:57.720 well,

00:42:59.760 if, I

00:43:01.760 mean, we

00:43:02.540 talked before

00:43:03.060 about should

00:43:03.580 and shouldn't.

00:43:04.020 So, if

00:43:05.220 we're talking

00:43:05.640 ideally, in

00:43:07.540 an ideal

00:43:08.140 utopian

00:43:08.680 scenario, what

00:43:09.760 should the

00:43:10.020 murder rate

00:43:10.400 be?

00:43:10.600 Well, in

00:43:10.940 that case,

00:43:11.400 yeah, it

00:43:11.820 should be

00:43:12.300 zero.

00:43:13.140 But

00:43:13.600 realistically,

00:43:15.300 practically

00:43:15.800 speaking, in

00:43:17.160 the real

00:43:17.580 world, in a

00:43:19.360 country of

00:43:19.780 330 million,

00:43:21.820 what should the

00:43:22.700 murder rate be?

00:43:23.260 You can't say

00:43:23.800 zero because that's

00:43:24.620 not at all

00:43:25.340 realistic or

00:43:26.020 practical.

00:43:28.240 Because then

00:43:28.920 you're not

00:43:29.160 talking about the

00:43:30.060 real world,

00:43:30.580 you're talking

00:43:30.940 about a fantasy

00:43:31.920 utopia, which

00:43:32.760 doesn't exist.

00:43:34.220 So, that's my

00:43:34.900 question to you.

00:43:35.960 Do you think

00:43:36.440 10,000 is an

00:43:37.220 epidemic?

00:43:37.660 Well, what, I

00:43:38.300 mean, what are

00:43:39.040 you thinking?

00:43:39.940 Even if we got

00:43:40.680 rid of all the

00:43:41.140 guns, what would

00:43:42.020 you expect the

00:43:42.560 murder rate to

00:43:43.040 be?

00:43:45.080 5,000?

00:43:45.800 I think wherever

00:43:48.320 you put it, 10,000

00:43:50.040 maybe is a little

00:43:51.120 higher than what

00:43:52.300 you would like or

00:43:53.360 what you think we

00:43:54.560 can get at the

00:43:55.100 number two, but

00:43:55.800 it's not at

00:43:56.900 epidemic levels

00:43:58.380 in comparison to

00:44:02.180 your realistic

00:44:03.600 expectations.

00:44:05.580 Now, it's bad,

00:44:07.020 obviously.

00:44:07.340 Every murder is

00:44:08.060 bad.

00:44:08.360 Every violent

00:44:09.160 death is a

00:44:09.720 horrible thing.

00:44:10.720 And I'm not

00:44:11.400 saying we should

00:44:11.800 just accept it for

00:44:12.680 what it is.

00:44:13.580 What I'm saying

00:44:14.160 is we need to

00:44:14.560 be reasonable and

00:44:15.500 rational and

00:44:16.160 realistic in the

00:44:16.960 way that we

00:44:17.360 discuss it.

00:44:17.860 We have to

00:44:18.140 avoid sensationalism

00:44:19.320 and that's my

00:44:20.280 thing.

00:44:22.160 But, going back

00:44:23.080 to the numbers.

00:44:23.620 So, most of the

00:44:24.280 gun deaths are

00:44:24.820 suicides.

00:44:26.000 Then you've got

00:44:26.540 this minority of

00:44:27.440 cases where it's a

00:44:28.080 homicide by gun.

00:44:29.420 A disproportionate 0.96

00:44:30.180 number of those

00:44:30.920 are inner city

00:44:31.800 drug and gang

00:44:32.600 related.

00:44:33.100 And the crucial

00:44:33.480 point there is

00:44:34.840 that most of

00:44:35.620 that violence is

00:44:36.580 by people who

00:44:37.220 illegally obtained

00:44:38.260 the guns to

00:44:38.820 begin with.

00:44:40.120 So, you can't

00:44:40.820 make it more

00:44:41.540 illegal.

00:44:41.960 If somebody

00:44:42.440 illegally has a

00:44:43.420 gun and they

00:44:44.260 go commit a

00:44:44.800 murder, well,

00:44:46.040 they've done two

00:44:46.840 illegal things.

00:44:47.700 And I don't

00:44:47.940 think you can

00:44:48.300 make those

00:44:48.760 things any more

00:44:49.500 illegal than

00:44:50.120 they already

00:44:50.480 are.

00:44:51.160 So, additional

00:44:52.060 laws and

00:44:53.060 regulations on

00:44:53.600 top of that

00:44:53.980 probably won't

00:44:54.680 do anything.

00:44:56.760 So, I think

00:44:57.400 what you really

00:44:57.820 have to look at

00:44:58.540 when we talk

00:44:59.920 about gun

00:45:00.360 regulations and

00:45:01.440 the so-called

00:45:02.320 violence epidemic

00:45:03.160 and so on,

00:45:04.220 what you have

00:45:04.700 to look at are

00:45:05.640 cases where

00:45:06.520 legal guns

00:45:08.340 owned by

00:45:09.700 registered gun

00:45:10.600 owners are

00:45:11.840 used to

00:45:12.520 murder another

00:45:13.140 person.

00:45:14.800 And that is

00:45:15.800 a very small

00:45:16.880 percentage of

00:45:17.640 the overall

00:45:18.640 gun violence

00:45:19.900 statistic.

00:45:21.220 And in that

00:45:22.020 very small

00:45:22.660 percentage, given

00:45:24.140 that much of it,

00:45:25.060 most of it, the

00:45:25.900 vast majority of

00:45:26.500 it, is from

00:45:26.900 domestic disputes,

00:45:28.160 I don't see how

00:45:28.960 regulations against

00:45:29.860 guns would do 0.99

00:45:30.480 anything.

00:45:31.720 You know, unless

00:45:33.200 you're talking about

00:45:34.000 trying to confiscate

00:45:35.240 every gun and get

00:45:36.660 rid of all the

00:45:37.220 guns, which you

00:45:38.980 can't do

00:45:39.400 constitutionally,

00:45:40.840 and hopefully

00:45:41.320 if you are

00:45:41.880 living in the

00:45:42.380 real world, you

00:45:42.920 realize that you

00:45:43.640 can't do it

00:45:44.200 feasibly and

00:45:44.840 practically either.

00:45:46.300 So, if we're not

00:45:46.860 talking about that,

00:45:48.260 but if you're trying

00:45:49.180 to be reasonable

00:45:49.820 and talking about

00:45:50.420 things that we

00:45:51.200 could feasibly and

00:45:52.100 within the

00:45:53.180 framework of the

00:45:54.560 Constitution do,

00:45:56.680 I don't see how

00:45:58.900 anything you could

00:45:59.520 do would prevent

00:46:01.620 most of the,

00:46:03.900 you know,

00:46:04.720 murders that are

00:46:07.000 committed by legal

00:46:08.020 gun owners,

00:46:08.660 because, you

00:46:09.920 know, if a guy

00:46:11.000 in a drunken

00:46:11.980 rage kills his

00:46:13.980 wife, well, if he 0.99

00:46:16.900 had never committed

00:46:17.560 a crime before

00:46:18.340 that, and before

00:46:20.560 that point he was a

00:46:21.820 law-abiding citizen

00:46:22.900 and an adult and

00:46:24.440 all that, then on

00:46:25.580 what basis would

00:46:26.840 you deny him his

00:46:27.780 right to own the

00:46:28.880 gun?

00:46:30.000 This isn't the

00:46:30.740 minority report.

00:46:31.900 We can't look into

00:46:32.540 the future.

00:46:34.060 Yeah, we could talk

00:46:34.740 about red flags and

00:46:35.720 so on, but if the

00:46:37.280 red flag is not a

00:46:38.520 crime being committed

00:46:40.700 or, you know,

00:46:44.100 someone being

00:46:44.780 committed to a

00:46:46.320 mental institution

00:46:46.940 because they're

00:46:47.380 completely insane,

00:46:48.320 if that's not the

00:46:49.200 red flag, then I

00:46:49.700 don't, what can

00:46:50.600 you do?

00:46:54.480 And so that's

00:46:55.380 my stance on it.

00:46:57.100 I just don't see,

00:46:58.840 I think when you

00:46:59.840 talk about gun

00:47:00.320 violence epidemic,

00:47:01.120 I think that's

00:47:02.000 sensationalist nonsense,

00:47:03.200 nonsense, and it's

00:47:05.200 just not true, and

00:47:07.820 even though all

00:47:09.680 murder is obviously

00:47:10.720 bad, and we all

00:47:11.800 agree on that, and

00:47:12.560 we would all like to

00:47:13.300 see fewer murders, I

00:47:15.860 just don't see how

00:47:17.260 additional regulations

00:47:19.040 on top of the

00:47:20.720 regulations that exist

00:47:21.520 will do anything.

00:47:24.100 Especially when you

00:47:24.920 consider that, you

00:47:27.100 know, inner cities

00:47:28.900 are, again, the

00:47:30.760 disproportionate number

00:47:31.740 of gun homicides

00:47:32.500 happen there, and

00:47:34.260 those are the

00:47:34.780 places usually where

00:47:35.940 you have the

00:47:36.380 strictest gun laws

00:47:37.260 in places like

00:47:39.340 Baltimore and

00:47:39.940 Chicago.

00:47:42.280 So I think that's

00:47:43.340 what you have to, I

00:47:44.020 try to be, you

00:47:45.000 know, I don't, I'm

00:47:46.180 not, this isn't, this

00:47:47.280 isn't me spouting

00:47:47.960 talking points.

00:47:48.660 Nothing I'm saying

00:47:49.260 here is a talking

00:47:50.760 point.

00:47:51.520 Now these might be

00:47:52.280 points that

00:47:52.880 conservatives often

00:47:53.740 raise, I'm not

00:47:54.300 saying that I've

00:47:54.840 come up with some

00:47:57.740 bold new argument or

00:48:00.220 anything, but this

00:48:02.100 isn't, these are

00:48:02.720 just, I'm trying to

00:48:04.040 rationally and

00:48:04.800 reasonably work

00:48:05.480 through this, and

00:48:06.240 that's how I work

00:48:06.820 through it.

00:48:08.080 It doesn't make any

00:48:08.940 difference to me that

00:48:09.820 it's among

00:48:11.720 conservatives the

00:48:12.540 standard position is

00:48:14.740 to be pro-gun and

00:48:15.800 pro-gun rights.

00:48:16.620 I don't care if it's

00:48:17.360 the standard, it is

00:48:18.040 my position, but it's

00:48:18.980 not my position because

00:48:19.920 it's the standard one.

00:48:20.900 I don't care about the

00:48:21.460 standard position.

00:48:22.720 This is just how it

00:48:23.780 seems to me.

00:48:25.760 You can tell me where

00:48:26.980 you think I've gone

00:48:27.900 wrong.

00:48:28.260 I'd like to hear it.

00:48:28.840 All right, thanks

00:48:29.620 everybody for watching.

00:48:30.320 Thanks for listening.

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The Matt Walsh Show - January 02, 2020

Ep. 396 - The Media's Anti-Gun Narrative Collapses

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