The Matt Walsh Show - January 02, 2020


Ep. 396 - The Media's Anti-Gun Narrative Collapses


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Transcript

00:00:00.380 And we're back. Welcome to the show, everybody. Welcome to the new year. Happy new year. Happy new decade, unless you're one of those pedantic jerks that likes to claim that the new decade doesn't really start until 2021, which is really rude and outrageous, by the way.
00:00:16.440 If you're one of those people going around saying that, oh, we're not in the new decade yet.
00:00:20.420 It's like when I was celebrating my birthday in October and my wife said to me, but your birthday isn't until June.
00:00:26.580 And I said, so what? What difference does that make? I'll celebrate my birthday whenever I damn well please.
00:00:32.540 And we will celebrate the new decade whenever we damn well please. We might celebrate the new millennium next year.
00:00:38.160 We might celebrate the year 3000 next year if we feel like it, because time is relative, man.
00:00:44.420 But anyway, I don't even see how the pedantic jerks, and I say this as a pedantic jerk myself unapologetically,
00:00:54.340 but I don't think that it's correct in this case, because if the year 2021 is the actual start of the next decade,
00:01:03.060 that means that this year, 2020, is a part of the teens, or whatever we call the previous decade.
00:01:10.200 But if 2020 is part of the teens, then, for instance, 1980 is part of the 70s.
00:01:17.720 But how would you react if someone said, oh, I was born in the 70s, and you said, what year?
00:01:22.220 And they said, 1980. That doesn't make any sense.
00:01:25.520 In what universe is 80 part of 70s? It's not.
00:01:30.480 So we begin, so this is the new decade. I just want to put that thread.
00:01:36.600 And we begin the new decade talking about what happened this past weekend,
00:01:42.760 as I hadn't done a show until Thursday, so I haven't had a chance to talk about it.
00:01:47.100 Not a fun topic to start things off with, but it is important.
00:01:51.040 As you may have noticed, after the anti-Semitic attack in New York on Saturday,
00:01:57.660 and the church shooting in Texas on Sunday,
00:02:00.880 this argument has been ignited again about whether houses of worship,
00:02:06.760 places where people of faith congregate,
00:02:09.580 should have armed security and armed congregants.
00:02:12.840 I think, as this debate's happened over the last few days,
00:02:17.720 it is very oddly timed, to say the least.
00:02:21.340 Because, of course, the attack in Texas was neutralized within seconds
00:02:24.880 by an armed volunteer security guard named Jack Wilson.
00:02:30.420 So you think, what is there to discuss?
00:02:32.900 If he hadn't been there, many more people would have died.
00:02:37.380 He was, so they didn't.
00:02:40.460 And the math seems pretty straightforward.
00:02:42.920 Now, of course, you could argue,
00:02:44.980 and we'll get more into this in a second,
00:02:47.000 but you could argue that if the heroic Jack Wilson wasn't there,
00:02:50.980 the assailant might have still been taken down by any of the other,
00:02:54.860 I think it was five or six armed worshipers
00:02:57.480 who got up and also drew their weapons.
00:03:01.580 And that can be seen on video.
00:03:03.180 But their presence deals another blow
00:03:06.340 to the standard anti-gun talking points
00:03:08.360 that you always hear surrounding these situations.
00:03:10.960 Because we're often told that the problem
00:03:12.960 with the good guy with a gun strategy
00:03:15.100 is that all of those gun-toting good guys
00:03:18.420 would turn a mass shooting into a Wild West shootout
00:03:22.280 and there would just be bullets flying everywhere.
00:03:24.820 Now, even if that were true,
00:03:27.060 even if it were true that having good guys with guns
00:03:30.680 would turn it into a Wild West shootout
00:03:32.540 and there would be bullets flying everywhere,
00:03:35.200 wouldn't that be better than bullets flying
00:03:38.800 only in the direction of innocent bystanders?
00:03:43.360 Because that's usually how this goes.
00:03:46.060 There's a bunch of bullets flying,
00:03:48.460 but they're only going in one direction
00:03:49.860 and that is in the direction of the innocent people.
00:03:53.020 So, I don't think anybody wants church
00:03:55.760 to turn into a gunfight at O.K. Corral,
00:03:58.820 but I would rather have that
00:04:00.920 than just an all-out slaughter.
00:04:03.780 I would rather have that
00:04:04.920 than the massacre at Sutherland Springs,
00:04:07.800 where if you recall last year,
00:04:09.980 or two years ago,
00:04:10.760 26 people were shot and killed at church.
00:04:13.740 Now, this is a false choice anyway
00:04:17.920 because in the case in Texas over the weekend,
00:04:21.820 there was no gunfight.
00:04:24.220 There was no Wild West shootout.
00:04:27.480 There was no massacre on the level of Sutherland Springs,
00:04:30.880 although three people were killed.
00:04:33.900 And that's because a good guy returned fire,
00:04:36.700 killed the bad guy immediately.
00:04:38.900 And the other good guys with guns
00:04:41.240 refrained from spraying bullets all over the place.
00:04:45.140 You know, they didn't need to fire their weapons,
00:04:48.100 and so they didn't.
00:04:48.920 And that was the end of it.
00:04:50.900 Now, you compare that with the attack
00:04:53.300 at a rabbi's home in New York on Saturday,
00:04:55.920 where this scumbag was able to stab five people
00:05:00.720 with a machete before fleeing the scene unharmed.
00:05:03.700 And without guns to protect themselves,
00:05:06.600 the people in the home,
00:05:07.580 they were, you know, reports tell us
00:05:09.340 they were throwing tables and furniture
00:05:11.460 at the assailant.
00:05:13.600 And then they took down his license plate
00:05:15.400 as he rode away.
00:05:17.220 Now, you know, they weren't armed.
00:05:18.820 That's all they could do.
00:05:20.160 And they responded correctly,
00:05:22.240 given the situation.
00:05:23.000 But can any rational person
00:05:24.660 or any reasonable person
00:05:25.920 argue that victims are better off
00:05:28.640 defending themselves with furniture?
00:05:30.820 And with a notepad to write down
00:05:33.320 the guy's information when he leaves?
00:05:34.980 Is it better that they defend themselves that way
00:05:38.760 than with a firearm?
00:05:41.900 No.
00:05:42.200 Well, I mean, no reasonable
00:05:44.080 or rational person can argue that,
00:05:45.840 but there are a lot of irrational
00:05:47.100 and unreasonable people
00:05:48.260 who like to have their voice heard,
00:05:50.680 especially on this topic.
00:05:52.980 It seems to me that
00:05:54.180 these are indisputable facts.
00:05:57.780 And the events of this weekend prove it.
00:05:59.860 Here are the facts.
00:06:03.620 Houses of worship
00:06:04.580 or, you know, places where faithful congregate
00:06:10.080 should be protected with guns.
00:06:15.140 Members of minority groups
00:06:17.340 that are often the target of violent attacks
00:06:19.880 should protect themselves with guns.
00:06:21.920 Buildings that house our children
00:06:26.040 for eight hours a day
00:06:27.780 should be protected with guns.
00:06:31.420 Now, I agree with the anti-gun crowd
00:06:35.200 that these kinds of measures
00:06:37.620 should not be necessary.
00:06:40.580 Okay?
00:06:41.060 Society should be safer.
00:06:44.180 Just as I agree with the feminists
00:06:46.060 who, when we talk about women
00:06:47.500 protecting themselves,
00:06:48.520 and feminists will say,
00:06:49.400 well, women shouldn't have
00:06:51.000 to protect themselves
00:06:51.860 from raping men
00:06:53.080 because men shouldn't be raping
00:06:54.460 in the first place.
00:06:57.340 I agree.
00:06:58.560 They shouldn't be.
00:07:00.240 I agree that many things happen
00:07:02.540 in our world
00:07:03.260 that should not happen.
00:07:05.480 And our world should be different
00:07:07.860 from how it is.
00:07:08.820 And if there were any reliable way,
00:07:13.240 any feasible way,
00:07:15.280 to preempt all of these bad things
00:07:17.880 without using guns,
00:07:19.340 I'd be in favor of that.
00:07:21.920 But there isn't.
00:07:23.580 So I'm not.
00:07:26.760 All of these shoulds and shouldn'ts
00:07:29.440 just don't amount to anything
00:07:31.660 when the bad guy who shouldn't be bad
00:07:34.760 shows up in the place
00:07:37.040 where he shouldn't be
00:07:37.880 to actually do the bad thing
00:07:41.480 that he shouldn't be doing
00:07:42.460 with the gun
00:07:44.040 that he shouldn't have.
00:07:46.440 You know,
00:07:46.560 there's a whole lot of,
00:07:47.360 because there are times like that
00:07:49.860 where a whole lot of shouldn'ts
00:07:51.680 are happening.
00:07:53.600 And when that happens,
00:07:55.560 you're not going to stop the bullet
00:07:57.680 that's flying towards you.
00:07:59.100 You're not going to stop it
00:07:59.900 by talking about
00:08:00.740 what should and shouldn't be.
00:08:01.960 Because when shouldn't
00:08:04.180 becomes is,
00:08:06.220 which it so often does
00:08:07.760 in this fallen world of ours,
00:08:09.320 the only thing you can do
00:08:10.380 is respond to the reality
00:08:11.900 of the situation.
00:08:14.100 Yes, shouldn't, shouldn't, shouldn't.
00:08:15.560 That's true.
00:08:16.280 But it is.
00:08:17.380 It is happening.
00:08:20.300 You know, should and shouldn't.
00:08:21.620 These are good topics
00:08:22.520 for campaign speeches
00:08:24.060 and John Lennon lyrics.
00:08:26.020 But they're useless
00:08:27.480 when the lead is actually flying.
00:08:29.320 Now this is just about
00:08:30.800 responding to what's
00:08:32.120 actually happening.
00:08:33.420 And that's when you need a guy,
00:08:35.020 a very practical guy
00:08:36.180 like Jack Wilson,
00:08:37.520 and you need him to have
00:08:38.920 a very practical tool
00:08:40.420 like a gun.
00:08:42.320 And that's just the way it is,
00:08:43.600 whether we like it or not.
00:08:46.160 And that should sort of be
00:08:47.960 the end of the conversation.
00:08:50.820 All these, yes,
00:08:51.760 all these bad things
00:08:52.640 should not happen,
00:08:53.760 but they do.
00:08:55.920 And they will always happen
00:08:57.720 until the end of time.
00:09:00.300 And so we need to be
00:09:01.840 prepared to respond.
00:09:06.020 That should be it,
00:09:07.260 but it isn't.
00:09:08.380 The media is predictably
00:09:10.820 determined to find
00:09:12.200 a negative spin
00:09:13.100 for the Jack Wilson story
00:09:14.380 because it's just,
00:09:15.280 it's a story that's
00:09:16.500 so devastating to their narrative
00:09:18.080 for all the reasons
00:09:19.060 I've already described.
00:09:20.320 And they're going to absurd lengths
00:09:22.060 to find this negative spin.
00:09:25.500 For example,
00:09:26.280 USA Today published
00:09:27.460 an editorial yesterday
00:09:29.020 talking about
00:09:29.820 the truly terrifying aspect
00:09:31.920 of the church shooting.
00:09:33.100 Now, you would think
00:09:34.360 that the truly terrifying thing
00:09:36.500 is that a bad guy
00:09:37.520 went into a church
00:09:38.580 to shoot it up.
00:09:39.520 That's the terrifying thing.
00:09:41.400 But not according
00:09:42.520 to USA Today.
00:09:43.940 What's terrifying to them
00:09:45.360 is that so many parishioners
00:09:47.020 had the means
00:09:47.800 to defend themselves.
00:09:48.700 That's what's terrifying.
00:09:49.560 And we'll get into that op-ed
00:09:51.580 in a minute.
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00:11:21.860 So USA Today,
00:11:22.840 reading now from the article
00:11:24.560 by Elvia Diaz.
00:11:27.460 This is what it says.
00:11:29.040 Jack Wilson is a hero,
00:11:30.360 all right.
00:11:31.020 It took him only six seconds
00:11:32.580 to kill a gunman
00:11:33.420 at a Texas church,
00:11:34.380 saving countless lives.
00:11:36.060 Unfortunately,
00:11:36.640 that kind of split second heroism
00:11:38.160 has been turned into a PR tool
00:11:40.300 by gun advocates.
00:11:41.300 The reality of Wilson's heroism
00:11:43.660 is a lot more complex.
00:11:45.540 He wasn't just
00:11:46.060 an ordinary parishioner,
00:11:47.600 as gun advocates
00:11:48.280 may want you to believe.
00:11:49.660 The church's volunteer
00:11:50.440 security team member
00:11:51.320 is a firearms instructor,
00:11:53.440 gun range owner
00:11:54.220 and former reserve deputy
00:11:55.440 with a local sheriff's department,
00:11:57.060 according to a New York Times
00:11:57.820 detailed account.
00:11:59.480 In other words,
00:12:00.260 he's exactly the kind of man
00:12:01.660 you want around
00:12:02.540 with a firearm.
00:12:03.660 But we know nothing
00:12:04.800 about the at least
00:12:05.660 six other parishioners
00:12:06.820 who also appeared
00:12:07.580 to draw their handguns
00:12:08.560 at West Freeway Church of Christ
00:12:10.080 in White Settlement, Texas.
00:12:11.680 And that's terrifying.
00:12:13.780 Goes on a little bit later.
00:12:16.320 But have we really reached a point
00:12:17.560 when each of us need
00:12:18.480 to carry a firearm
00:12:19.380 anywhere we go?
00:12:20.660 Gun advocates
00:12:21.300 certainly think so.
00:12:22.100 They point to Wilson
00:12:22.880 and the new Texas law
00:12:23.780 that allows him to,
00:12:25.080 allows him and others
00:12:26.040 to carry firearms
00:12:26.860 inside the church.
00:12:27.600 President Donald Trump
00:12:28.320 said as much on Twitter Monday,
00:12:30.800 yada, yada, yada,
00:12:31.420 so on and so forth.
00:12:32.520 So this is exactly
00:12:33.440 what I'm talking about.
00:12:35.180 The focus here
00:12:37.620 is on should and shouldn't
00:12:39.720 rather than the reality.
00:12:40.760 The author says,
00:12:42.980 have we really reached
00:12:44.180 a point where,
00:12:45.200 you know,
00:12:45.460 these churchgoers
00:12:46.500 need to bring a gun
00:12:47.280 to church?
00:12:48.280 Yes, apparently we have.
00:12:50.620 Apparently we have
00:12:51.420 reached that point.
00:12:53.060 They needed to have a gun
00:12:54.380 and they did.
00:12:54.980 And if you want to say
00:12:58.280 that's terrifying,
00:12:59.820 then fine, I agree.
00:13:01.100 If you want to say
00:13:01.920 it's terrifying and terrible
00:13:03.260 that people have to be armed
00:13:05.140 wherever they go
00:13:06.040 and, you know,
00:13:06.480 that you need to even
00:13:07.180 think about this
00:13:07.900 when you go to church,
00:13:09.360 if you're saying
00:13:10.380 that's terrifying,
00:13:11.860 then yeah,
00:13:12.420 I agree.
00:13:13.120 It kind of is.
00:13:14.620 You could make it
00:13:15.520 less terrifying for yourself
00:13:16.920 by equipping yourself
00:13:18.300 with the means
00:13:19.340 to defend yourself
00:13:21.280 should the necessity
00:13:23.700 arise,
00:13:24.500 but it is kind of
00:13:25.920 a terrifying situation.
00:13:27.740 But to say
00:13:28.500 that it's terrifying
00:13:29.680 that people
00:13:30.460 who needed to be armed
00:13:31.600 to protect themselves
00:13:32.560 were armed
00:13:33.900 to protect themselves,
00:13:34.960 that makes no sense.
00:13:37.340 Would it have been better?
00:13:39.620 Would it have been
00:13:40.240 less terrifying
00:13:41.180 if the gunman
00:13:42.880 was the only guy
00:13:44.240 with a gun
00:13:44.660 in that church?
00:13:45.120 What if you were
00:13:47.040 in the church?
00:13:48.560 If you were there,
00:13:50.600 the gunman is there,
00:13:53.120 would you prefer
00:13:54.380 that some of your
00:13:56.440 fellow parishioners
00:13:57.240 have a gun
00:13:57.800 or maybe even
00:13:58.560 that you have one
00:13:59.300 or not?
00:14:01.780 If you were all unarmed,
00:14:04.020 would you look around
00:14:05.300 while you're huddled
00:14:06.040 under the pew,
00:14:06.860 you know,
00:14:07.120 just hoping that he
00:14:08.100 doesn't come
00:14:09.460 to your aisle?
00:14:10.780 Would you look around
00:14:11.560 and say,
00:14:11.980 thank God
00:14:12.680 nobody else
00:14:13.280 has a gun here?
00:14:14.740 Of course not.
00:14:15.420 See,
00:14:17.700 the problem,
00:14:18.120 and this is what
00:14:18.820 the media is doing,
00:14:19.660 that what they've
00:14:21.300 always told us,
00:14:22.820 what they've promised,
00:14:25.380 what they,
00:14:26.060 it seems like,
00:14:27.000 have hoped,
00:14:28.760 is that,
00:14:29.880 you know,
00:14:31.800 in a situation
00:14:32.800 where a gunman
00:14:34.300 shows up to a church
00:14:35.160 in a place like Texas
00:14:36.020 and there are
00:14:37.800 six or seven people
00:14:39.180 there carrying guns
00:14:40.760 and they all
00:14:41.140 pull them out,
00:14:42.400 what the media
00:14:43.180 has always told us
00:14:44.040 is that it's going
00:14:45.120 to turn into
00:14:45.520 a Wild West shootout,
00:14:46.680 bullets flying everywhere.
00:14:48.640 And now,
00:14:49.560 they're writing articles
00:14:50.420 and op-eds about it
00:14:51.320 as if that's actually
00:14:52.500 what happened.
00:14:53.520 But it isn't.
00:14:56.000 Those other gun owners
00:14:58.040 were responsible.
00:14:59.120 They pulled their firearms,
00:15:00.240 didn't fire them,
00:15:01.320 and that was it.
00:15:03.560 What's terrifying about it?
00:15:06.120 No, in fact,
00:15:07.700 if you were worried
00:15:08.840 about that happening,
00:15:10.680 this should make you
00:15:11.780 less terrified.
00:15:12.580 because you see that,
00:15:15.820 you know,
00:15:16.260 if somebody's
00:15:17.880 a law-abiding gun owner
00:15:19.520 and they're carrying
00:15:20.420 a gun legally,
00:15:22.980 they probably aren't
00:15:24.540 treating it like a toy.
00:15:26.540 They probably know
00:15:27.700 how to use it.
00:15:30.100 You know,
00:15:30.300 they're probably
00:15:30.840 responsible people
00:15:31.920 because people
00:15:34.540 who are irresponsible
00:15:35.480 don't know anything
00:15:36.360 about guns,
00:15:37.040 don't know how to use them,
00:15:38.140 don't know how to respond
00:15:39.320 in situations like this.
00:15:40.720 Most of those people
00:15:41.440 aren't legally carrying guns.
00:15:46.960 All right,
00:15:47.580 let's move on
00:15:49.020 to Pope Francis.
00:15:50.700 Pope Francis
00:15:51.500 viciously assaulting
00:15:53.880 a woman,
00:15:54.320 as the media
00:15:54.940 has framed it anyway.
00:15:56.860 And I think
00:15:57.420 it's appropriate
00:15:58.220 that we start
00:15:59.260 the new year
00:15:59.860 and the new decade,
00:16:00.880 which it is
00:16:01.520 a new decade,
00:16:02.380 with a controversy
00:16:04.200 like this.
00:16:05.620 I think it really
00:16:06.300 got things off on,
00:16:07.380 maybe not a good foot,
00:16:08.380 but an appropriate one,
00:16:10.280 given how incredibly stupid
00:16:11.480 I expect this year to be.
00:16:12.920 So we get a very stupid
00:16:13.760 controversy to start things.
00:16:15.580 So here's the footage
00:16:16.380 that went viral yesterday,
00:16:17.340 if you didn't see it,
00:16:18.280 prompting lots of people
00:16:20.300 to lash out at the Pope
00:16:21.640 and talk about how
00:16:23.020 the Pope assaulted somebody.
00:16:25.240 But this is Pope Francis
00:16:26.660 greeting a bunch of people,
00:16:28.420 I think on New Year's Eve,
00:16:29.800 and then this happened.
00:16:32.280 Watch.
00:16:32.520 So there you go.
00:16:46.840 First of all,
00:16:47.620 I admit,
00:16:49.060 I have been tempted
00:16:49.980 so many times
00:16:50.780 as a Catholic
00:16:51.460 to respond
00:16:52.900 exactly that way
00:16:54.200 during the,
00:16:55.380 you know,
00:16:55.900 the Catholics,
00:16:56.520 we have the weird
00:16:57.160 sign of peace thing
00:16:58.200 we do during church.
00:16:59.400 And that's why,
00:17:02.620 if you've never been
00:17:02.960 to a Catholic Mass,
00:17:03.820 it's right before communion.
00:17:06.140 You know,
00:17:06.620 everyone,
00:17:07.600 the first time
00:17:08.200 going to Catholic Mass,
00:17:09.140 you're always taken
00:17:09.920 off guard by this
00:17:10.820 because in the middle
00:17:11.580 of the Mass,
00:17:13.780 just seemingly
00:17:14.240 out of nowhere,
00:17:15.520 right before communion,
00:17:16.940 everyone turns
00:17:17.480 and starts shaking hands.
00:17:18.980 Now,
00:17:20.500 a lot of,
00:17:21.020 you know,
00:17:21.180 you go to a lot of different,
00:17:22.240 I've been to many
00:17:22.980 Protestant churches,
00:17:23.960 and oftentimes
00:17:24.540 they'll do a greeting thing
00:17:26.600 before church starts.
00:17:27.920 And I have to say,
00:17:30.080 as a Catholic,
00:17:30.840 I like,
00:17:32.320 I think that approach
00:17:33.180 makes a lot more sense.
00:17:34.080 If you're going to do
00:17:34.840 the greeting
00:17:35.380 and if you're going to do
00:17:36.820 the thing,
00:17:37.140 turn to your neighbor
00:17:38.140 and say hello.
00:17:39.420 I'm not a fan of it
00:17:40.420 in general.
00:17:41.180 I'm not a fan
00:17:41.700 of forced greetings
00:17:43.000 where somebody tells me
00:17:45.160 to turn to the person
00:17:45.880 next to me
00:17:46.260 and say hi to them.
00:17:47.080 If I want to say hi to them,
00:17:48.100 I will.
00:17:48.540 I don't need you,
00:17:49.360 I'm not a child,
00:17:49.960 I don't need you
00:17:50.520 ordering me around.
00:17:51.720 But if you're going to do that,
00:17:54.060 it makes sense to do it
00:17:55.160 before the service starts.
00:17:56.680 To do it,
00:17:58.780 not even midway through,
00:18:00.160 but like two-thirds
00:18:01.080 of the way through.
00:18:02.420 By the way,
00:18:03.520 hi,
00:18:04.100 hello.
00:18:05.080 It doesn't,
00:18:05.880 I'm not a fan of it.
00:18:06.640 I don't like it.
00:18:07.600 But,
00:18:08.100 you know,
00:18:09.400 my strategy
00:18:10.220 during the sign of the peace
00:18:11.220 as an antisocial person
00:18:14.020 and also as a germaphobe,
00:18:15.720 I don't really want to touch
00:18:16.940 the clammy hands
00:18:17.660 of the person next to me.
00:18:19.140 So,
00:18:19.840 what I,
00:18:20.060 you know,
00:18:20.200 I stand there stoically
00:18:21.420 during the sign of the peace
00:18:22.480 and I don't turn,
00:18:24.900 I don't turn around
00:18:25.700 to the people behind me
00:18:26.340 to shake their hand
00:18:27.000 because that's my right,
00:18:28.300 okay?
00:18:28.940 Bodily autonomy.
00:18:30.900 And,
00:18:31.260 but then oftentimes
00:18:32.740 somebody will,
00:18:33.600 you know,
00:18:33.800 if you don't turn around
00:18:34.700 to shake the hand
00:18:35.340 of the person behind you,
00:18:36.200 they'll tap on your shoulder
00:18:37.660 and then you kind of
00:18:39.840 turn around
00:18:40.380 and say,
00:18:41.320 peace be with you.
00:18:42.300 And they're trying to shove
00:18:43.320 their sweaty hand
00:18:45.140 into yours.
00:18:46.320 And so many times
00:18:47.400 I've wanted to,
00:18:48.080 get away,
00:18:48.680 I've wanted to do
00:18:49.220 that exact thing
00:18:50.040 that the Pope did.
00:18:52.160 And I feel like
00:18:53.160 this now gives me
00:18:55.060 the license to do it.
00:18:58.020 Because
00:18:58.380 as long as the,
00:18:59.580 if the Pope does something,
00:19:00.680 then that means we can
00:19:01.520 as Catholics.
00:19:02.300 At least that's what everyone,
00:19:03.440 that's what every non-Catholic assumes.
00:19:05.940 Everything the Pope does
00:19:06.860 is infallible.
00:19:08.460 And so just by the Pope
00:19:09.740 doing that,
00:19:10.280 that gives it,
00:19:10.820 that means we all can slap
00:19:11.820 whoever we want
00:19:12.380 as Catholics.
00:19:14.100 That's not really how it works,
00:19:15.440 but I wish in this case
00:19:16.840 it did work that way.
00:19:17.620 Anyway,
00:19:19.760 the way the media
00:19:21.960 has reported this,
00:19:23.720 they make it sound
00:19:24.440 like Pope Francis
00:19:25.200 like dropkicked the woman.
00:19:27.640 They're framing it,
00:19:28.660 which would have been
00:19:29.760 a sight to behold,
00:19:30.880 we have to admit.
00:19:32.400 The New York Times headline,
00:19:33.740 this is a New York Times headline,
00:19:34.800 says,
00:19:36.460 Pope Francis apologizes
00:19:38.040 after slapping away
00:19:39.860 a clinging pilgrim.
00:19:42.160 Slapping away
00:19:42.980 a clinging pilgrim.
00:19:45.360 Now,
00:19:45.660 you hear that headline,
00:19:46.560 you're imagining
00:19:47.140 based on that headline,
00:19:49.800 maybe a young child
00:19:51.320 in tattered rags,
00:19:53.340 dusty and dirty
00:19:54.140 from the long journey
00:19:55.180 on the holy pilgrimage,
00:19:57.520 running up to hug the Pope,
00:20:00.100 and the Pope just kicks him away.
00:20:01.960 Ew, yuck,
00:20:02.520 get off me,
00:20:04.260 you dirty peasant.
00:20:06.200 But that's not quite
00:20:07.420 what you actually see.
00:20:08.120 What you do see,
00:20:09.640 what Francis does here,
00:20:11.540 and this is honestly,
00:20:12.400 this is,
00:20:12.600 I'm not a big
00:20:13.560 Pope Francis fan myself,
00:20:16.020 to put it mildly,
00:20:17.340 and I don't support
00:20:19.480 most of the things
00:20:21.880 that he's,
00:20:22.260 or many of the things
00:20:23.200 that he's said and done.
00:20:24.180 This might be the first thing
00:20:25.720 that he's done
00:20:26.200 that I support.
00:20:28.200 This right here.
00:20:29.540 I have a strange new respect
00:20:31.140 for Pope Francis.
00:20:32.340 I'm totally on Team Pope,
00:20:33.940 Team Pope on this one,
00:20:35.100 because this was not
00:20:36.700 a violent assault.
00:20:37.320 This was the Pope
00:20:38.360 turning to leave
00:20:40.280 after greeting
00:20:41.860 probably hundreds of people.
00:20:43.860 He was going down the line.
00:20:45.360 It's got to end somewhere.
00:20:47.180 Okay,
00:20:47.320 if there's 50,000 people,
00:20:48.500 he's not going to shake
00:20:49.160 every single person's hand.
00:20:51.180 So he's turning to leave.
00:20:52.720 The woman reaches out.
00:20:55.480 Can you imagine
00:20:56.260 doing this to the Pope?
00:20:58.660 Or to anyone,
00:20:59.980 even if it wasn't the Pope.
00:21:01.780 Reaches out,
00:21:02.500 grabs him,
00:21:03.320 yanks him back,
00:21:04.900 and then this is really important.
00:21:06.560 He tries to pull his hand back
00:21:08.640 three times.
00:21:09.940 He doesn't immediately slap her.
00:21:11.320 And it's not like
00:21:11.600 he slaps her in the face.
00:21:13.380 He doesn't,
00:21:13.760 it's not like she pulls him
00:21:14.920 and he turns around,
00:21:15.780 bop.
00:21:16.240 That doesn't happen.
00:21:17.020 No.
00:21:20.000 He's just,
00:21:21.080 he's trying to,
00:21:22.000 he tries three times
00:21:23.080 to get his hand free.
00:21:24.980 And she won't let go.
00:21:26.440 And then finally,
00:21:27.160 he's, you know,
00:21:27.420 it's not hard.
00:21:28.000 It's just a little,
00:21:28.740 a little,
00:21:29.860 it's like if your kid's
00:21:31.160 reaching for the hot stove.
00:21:32.380 You might just do
00:21:32.880 a quick little
00:21:34.100 slap on the wrist.
00:21:39.760 What do you expect?
00:21:40.520 Keep in mind,
00:21:40.980 this is an 83-year-old man.
00:21:43.680 Likely has arthritis.
00:21:45.520 Arthrite,
00:21:46.000 arthritis.
00:21:48.200 Likely has arthritis.
00:21:49.800 You could tell
00:21:50.540 that he was in pain.
00:21:51.540 And I mean,
00:21:51.960 in all honesty,
00:21:52.500 you watch the video,
00:21:53.400 if you freeze frame it
00:21:54.420 right at the moment
00:21:55.040 where he's yanked in,
00:21:56.760 you can see
00:21:57.360 a visible grimace.
00:21:59.380 And also,
00:22:02.500 I mean,
00:22:02.800 if you've ever,
00:22:03.580 if you've ever
00:22:05.680 shook the hand
00:22:06.380 of a,
00:22:06.960 you know,
00:22:07.600 83-year-old person
00:22:09.200 before,
00:22:09.680 you know that it's,
00:22:11.240 you know,
00:22:11.400 they don't often have
00:22:12.140 the firmest grasp
00:22:13.180 because their bones
00:22:15.000 are,
00:22:15.440 you know,
00:22:16.840 not as strong
00:22:18.280 as they used to be.
00:22:19.160 And, you know,
00:22:19.600 it's very common
00:22:20.180 at that age
00:22:20.580 to have arthritis.
00:22:21.560 And so it's going
00:22:22.240 to be painful.
00:22:23.400 So it looks to me
00:22:24.600 like he's in pain
00:22:25.460 and he's just reacting
00:22:26.700 instinctively,
00:22:27.500 trying to pull his hand away
00:22:28.560 and she won't let go.
00:22:30.200 Yet, amazingly,
00:22:32.280 or maybe not so amazingly,
00:22:34.140 most people have taken
00:22:35.020 the woman's side on this,
00:22:37.040 which I find mind-boggling.
00:22:38.980 So often these days,
00:22:40.220 putting politics aside
00:22:41.320 because it doesn't seem
00:22:42.080 like there's a left-right
00:22:42.940 divide here,
00:22:44.820 but so often these days,
00:22:46.120 it seems like 95% of people
00:22:49.060 are reacting to a certain thing
00:22:50.500 in a certain way.
00:22:51.400 And I look at that reaction
00:22:52.700 and it just,
00:22:53.120 it boggles my mind.
00:22:53.880 I don't understand it.
00:22:55.540 How could you see that video
00:22:57.400 and take the woman's side?
00:23:02.920 Try, again, this is,
00:23:05.500 I think this would be
00:23:06.500 inappropriate to do
00:23:07.620 to anybody.
00:23:08.580 It's just,
00:23:09.200 it's not okay
00:23:09.900 to try to get
00:23:10.720 somebody's attention
00:23:11.560 by yanking them
00:23:12.700 towards you.
00:23:14.620 But imagine doing it
00:23:16.180 to the Pope.
00:23:17.860 Imagine doing it
00:23:18.600 to the President.
00:23:19.780 What do you think
00:23:20.240 would happen?
00:23:21.240 What do you think
00:23:21.580 would happen
00:23:21.940 if the President
00:23:22.600 was walking by
00:23:23.400 and you reached out
00:23:24.560 and grabbed him
00:23:25.580 and pulled him
00:23:26.720 towards you
00:23:27.260 and wouldn't let go?
00:23:28.980 Do you think,
00:23:29.660 I mean,
00:23:30.040 you wouldn't get,
00:23:31.200 there wouldn't be
00:23:31.960 any tug of war
00:23:32.960 back and forth
00:23:33.680 like there was
00:23:34.160 in this case.
00:23:34.660 And I'm kind of wondering
00:23:35.380 where was the Pope's security?
00:23:36.680 They're just sort of
00:23:37.160 standing there
00:23:37.860 not doing anything.
00:23:38.800 But with the President,
00:23:40.500 you couldn't make it
00:23:41.460 that far.
00:23:42.280 As soon as your hand
00:23:43.680 made contact
00:23:44.400 with his wrist,
00:23:45.820 you're going to be
00:23:46.440 on the ground
00:23:47.300 in a dog pile,
00:23:48.980 bum rushed
00:23:49.540 by Secret Service.
00:23:51.700 That's the way
00:23:52.260 that's going to go.
00:23:52.840 And I don't think
00:23:54.820 anyone would feel
00:23:55.420 sorry for you
00:23:56.180 because everybody
00:23:57.160 would say,
00:23:57.840 what are you doing
00:23:59.040 grabbing the President?
00:24:00.260 What do you think
00:24:00.880 is going to happen?
00:24:04.460 But,
00:24:05.060 as I said,
00:24:06.540 Pope or not Pope,
00:24:07.640 you just,
00:24:08.080 you don't do that.
00:24:08.780 And if you do that,
00:24:10.600 you grab somebody
00:24:11.460 and yank them towards you,
00:24:12.600 you deserve to get
00:24:13.380 your hand slapped away.
00:24:14.400 You know,
00:24:15.000 I don't care,
00:24:15.660 man, woman,
00:24:16.460 doesn't matter.
00:24:17.180 Because you have
00:24:18.240 no right to do that.
00:24:20.280 What is this woman
00:24:21.200 entitled to the Pope
00:24:22.800 attention?
00:24:25.040 Somebody told me
00:24:25.800 yesterday,
00:24:26.220 I was talking about
00:24:26.880 this on Twitter,
00:24:28.260 and somebody said,
00:24:29.900 well,
00:24:30.220 she was being ignored
00:24:31.200 by the Pope.
00:24:32.740 I mean,
00:24:33.320 ignored by the Pope.
00:24:34.480 She's one face
00:24:35.920 among 50,000 people,
00:24:38.180 and so if she doesn't
00:24:39.720 get that one-on-one time,
00:24:41.260 she herself
00:24:42.340 is being personally ignored?
00:24:44.540 Yeah,
00:24:44.800 I'm ignored by the Pope,
00:24:45.960 too.
00:24:46.080 He's never said hi to me.
00:24:46.940 I mean,
00:24:50.000 I've been ignored
00:24:50.760 by almost everybody
00:24:51.720 on earth
00:24:52.280 by that standard.
00:24:56.740 So,
00:24:57.140 the Pope goes,
00:24:58.400 and that's what we're
00:24:59.380 saying now.
00:24:59.840 She's entitled.
00:25:00.760 If the Pope walks by,
00:25:02.800 you are entitled
00:25:03.820 to the Pope's attention,
00:25:05.280 and if he doesn't
00:25:06.220 give it to you,
00:25:06.840 you can grab him
00:25:08.140 and yank him
00:25:08.940 towards you.
00:25:09.420 And if he gets away
00:25:12.320 from your grab,
00:25:12.780 you can tackle him.
00:25:16.360 Pick him up
00:25:16.920 like a fireman's carry.
00:25:18.040 Bring him back
00:25:18.460 to your,
00:25:18.820 you know,
00:25:20.780 dining room
00:25:21.680 and force him
00:25:22.260 to have dinner with you.
00:25:25.040 I mean,
00:25:25.480 he's a human being.
00:25:28.980 He doesn't have to
00:25:29.820 accept being grabbed
00:25:31.120 by whoever decides
00:25:31.940 to grab him.
00:25:34.600 All right.
00:25:36.060 So,
00:25:36.480 don't go grabbing
00:25:36.960 the Pope.
00:25:37.420 That's the,
00:25:37.860 that's the lesson.
00:25:39.420 here.
00:25:40.400 I like all,
00:25:40.960 by the way,
00:25:41.440 also,
00:25:41.880 all these people
00:25:42.580 saying,
00:25:43.080 well,
00:25:43.940 this,
00:25:45.200 you know,
00:25:45.600 other Popes
00:25:47.380 would never,
00:25:47.860 other Popes
00:25:48.480 would never do this.
00:25:49.580 This is unprecedented
00:25:50.360 for a Pope
00:25:50.920 to do this.
00:25:52.880 You know,
00:25:53.320 there have been,
00:25:54.440 I think there have
00:25:55.640 probably been a lot
00:25:56.260 of Popes
00:25:56.660 who would do that,
00:25:57.380 actually,
00:25:57.980 or worse,
00:25:59.100 if you grab them.
00:26:02.160 JP2,
00:26:02.640 maybe not.
00:26:05.140 Benedict,
00:26:05.760 I could see it
00:26:06.540 with Benedict.
00:26:07.260 I think Benedict
00:26:08.020 never strike me
00:26:08.860 as the kind of man
00:26:09.400 that you want
00:26:09.760 to just grab
00:26:10.380 and,
00:26:10.780 you know.
00:26:13.080 But there have,
00:26:13.860 I wouldn't be so quick
00:26:15.380 to assume that,
00:26:17.700 if this was the Middle Ages
00:26:18.860 and you just,
00:26:20.120 and you did that
00:26:20.600 to a Pope,
00:26:21.820 I think a slap
00:26:24.340 on the wrist
00:26:24.840 would be about
00:26:25.300 the best case scenario
00:26:27.900 for you
00:26:28.360 in that situation.
00:26:30.140 All right.
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00:27:48.640 All right,
00:27:48.860 before we get to emails,
00:27:50.640 Mayor Bill de Blasio
00:27:51.840 is coming after Domino's,
00:27:55.120 criticizing them.
00:27:56.180 For hiking the prices
00:27:57.400 on their pizzas
00:27:59.280 on New Year's Eve
00:28:00.080 in New York.
00:28:01.720 There was a headline
00:28:03.340 that says,
00:28:04.100 Domino's sells
00:28:04.880 $30 pizzas
00:28:05.880 to Times Square
00:28:07.080 ball drop revelers
00:28:08.300 on New Year's Eve.
00:28:09.620 And the mayor
00:28:10.360 saw this
00:28:10.940 and tweeted,
00:28:12.100 jacking up your prices
00:28:13.220 on people
00:28:14.240 trying to celebrate
00:28:15.000 the holidays?
00:28:15.820 Classy, Domino's.
00:28:17.300 To the thousands
00:28:17.920 who came to Times Square
00:28:18.800 last night
00:28:19.320 to ring in 2020,
00:28:20.620 I'm sorry
00:28:21.100 this corporate trade
00:28:22.080 chain exploited you.
00:28:23.840 Stick it to them
00:28:24.560 by patronizing
00:28:25.340 one of our fantastic
00:28:26.340 local pizzerias.
00:28:29.600 You know,
00:28:29.900 Bill de Blasio
00:28:31.320 can never
00:28:33.020 forfeit
00:28:36.500 an opportunity
00:28:37.580 to embarrass himself
00:28:38.460 or to do
00:28:39.780 the class warfare
00:28:40.520 schtick.
00:28:41.660 And so he's trying
00:28:42.540 to do it here.
00:28:43.100 The problem is,
00:28:43.780 this is absurd
00:28:44.300 on a number of levels.
00:28:45.200 Number one,
00:28:46.300 this was a decision
00:28:47.140 made by the local
00:28:48.560 franchise,
00:28:49.360 not by corporate
00:28:50.440 Domino's headquarters.
00:28:52.300 Number two,
00:28:53.220 everything in New York
00:28:54.140 is expensive.
00:28:55.960 It's like the mayor
00:28:56.800 just noticed
00:28:57.780 that when you go
00:28:59.600 to Times Square,
00:29:00.620 things are a lot
00:29:01.700 more expensive
00:29:02.260 than they are
00:29:02.820 if you're not
00:29:03.400 in Times Square.
00:29:05.800 And number three,
00:29:07.200 maybe it's just me,
00:29:08.060 but $30 for a pizza
00:29:09.200 isn't even that bad.
00:29:10.160 I mean,
00:29:10.320 it's bad.
00:29:11.140 It's more than I would pay,
00:29:12.220 especially for a Domino's pizza.
00:29:13.240 But if you had told me
00:29:15.860 that a large pizza
00:29:16.800 in Times Square
00:29:17.700 on New Year's Eve
00:29:18.300 costs $50,
00:29:19.500 I would not have been surprised.
00:29:21.060 But number four,
00:29:21.680 here's my primary point.
00:29:25.320 Anybody dumb enough
00:29:26.820 to stand in the freezing cold
00:29:29.420 in Times Square
00:29:30.120 for 11 hours,
00:29:31.880 shoulder to shoulder
00:29:32.660 with drunk strangers,
00:29:34.540 with no bathroom in sight,
00:29:37.020 just to see a glowing orb
00:29:38.780 descend slightly down a pole
00:29:40.640 for 10 seconds,
00:29:41.540 deserves to be exploited
00:29:44.500 in this way.
00:29:46.180 I mean,
00:29:46.540 you deserve it.
00:29:47.720 That's the main thing.
00:29:49.520 I think about this
00:29:50.400 every year
00:29:50.960 when we watch
00:29:52.340 the ball drop
00:29:52.920 in my house.
00:29:53.560 We turn it on
00:29:54.780 at like 11.58,
00:29:56.160 and we watch for two minutes,
00:29:57.120 and then we turn it off.
00:29:58.420 But
00:29:58.680 I always think,
00:30:01.980 why in God's name
00:30:03.240 do all of these maniacs
00:30:05.200 show up there
00:30:06.120 just to stand
00:30:07.620 for hours on end
00:30:08.800 in the cold
00:30:10.240 with drunk people
00:30:12.200 peeing their pants
00:30:13.100 all around you,
00:30:14.080 and the big payoff
00:30:15.420 is that the shiny thing
00:30:16.740 on the building
00:30:17.440 like
00:30:17.960 moves location,
00:30:19.960 goes from here to here?
00:30:22.960 I still remember,
00:30:23.880 I remember my disappointment
00:30:25.260 the first time
00:30:25.900 that I watched
00:30:26.540 the ball drop
00:30:27.480 when I was a kid
00:30:28.540 because for years,
00:30:30.960 you know,
00:30:31.360 before my parents
00:30:32.140 let me stay up
00:30:32.740 until midnight
00:30:33.060 to watch it,
00:30:33.860 that was when I was
00:30:34.380 maybe like 8 or 9
00:30:35.760 or something,
00:30:36.760 but for the years
00:30:37.500 leading up to that,
00:30:39.160 I'd always heard
00:30:40.000 about the ball drop,
00:30:41.620 and I'd always wondered,
00:30:43.620 you know,
00:30:44.160 what it was.
00:30:44.900 I'd heard about
00:30:45.360 this mystical ball drop,
00:30:46.960 and everybody
00:30:47.880 stays up to watch it,
00:30:49.760 and they go,
00:30:50.580 and millions of people.
00:30:53.260 I imagine,
00:30:54.420 I didn't know exactly
00:30:55.100 what I was expecting.
00:30:55.980 I guess I thought
00:30:56.940 the ball would be
00:30:57.740 300 feet
00:30:58.760 in circumference,
00:31:00.200 and it would descend
00:31:01.000 from the clouds,
00:31:02.280 and it would explode,
00:31:04.240 and leprechauns
00:31:05.200 riding unicorns
00:31:06.300 would emerge
00:31:07.580 and grant wishes
00:31:08.720 to everybody watching.
00:31:10.140 Something like that.
00:31:11.380 But instead,
00:31:11.860 I watch it,
00:31:13.000 and what I see
00:31:14.300 is this pathetic
00:31:14.980 little shiny thing
00:31:16.060 just ever so slightly
00:31:18.640 adjust its position
00:31:19.600 on the pole.
00:31:21.200 And so that's
00:31:21.980 the real outrage here,
00:31:22.920 not the pizza.
00:31:24.660 It's how pathetic
00:31:25.760 and anti-pictive
00:31:27.740 anticlimactic
00:31:28.520 the ball drop is.
00:31:31.920 It's the year 2020,
00:31:33.360 for God's sakes.
00:31:34.560 It's the 20s,
00:31:35.660 for goodness sake.
00:31:37.200 We could do better
00:31:38.020 than that.
00:31:39.700 All right,
00:31:40.220 let's go to emails.
00:31:42.000 mattwalshow
00:31:42.460 at gmail.com,
00:31:43.560 mattwalshow
00:31:44.160 at gmail.com.
00:31:46.320 This is from Julie.
00:31:47.400 Julie says,
00:31:48.620 please,
00:31:49.180 please address
00:31:49.840 one of the things
00:31:50.500 that bothers me the most.
00:31:51.860 When people say
00:31:52.960 New Year's,
00:31:54.720 it's New Year,
00:31:56.020 a singular noun
00:31:56.840 naming the day
00:31:57.500 we celebrate a new year.
00:31:59.380 Not the New Year's.
00:32:01.380 That would signify
00:32:02.440 multiple years.
00:32:04.180 Do we say
00:32:05.020 Happy Birthdays?
00:32:06.420 Merry Christmases?
00:32:07.900 Nope,
00:32:08.300 just simply
00:32:08.900 Happy New Year.
00:32:09.940 When people say,
00:32:11.120 what are you doing
00:32:11.640 for New Year's,
00:32:12.560 they're really,
00:32:13.240 and apparently not aware,
00:32:14.100 that they're trying to say,
00:32:14.900 what are you doing
00:32:16.160 for New Year's Eve?
00:32:17.560 It drives me mad.
00:32:20.200 P.S.
00:32:20.680 Happy New Year.
00:32:22.420 Yeah, Julie,
00:32:23.140 see,
00:32:23.380 I said that I'm
00:32:24.320 a pedantic jerk myself,
00:32:26.900 and this is,
00:32:27.440 now,
00:32:28.000 this is a thing
00:32:28.920 that I'm pedantic about as well,
00:32:30.100 and I agree with you,
00:32:31.020 that it's just,
00:32:32.120 it makes you sound illiterate
00:32:34.060 when you say New Year's.
00:32:39.340 Moving on to Carl,
00:32:40.780 says,
00:32:41.160 from Carl,
00:32:41.520 from Carl,
00:32:42.240 says,
00:32:42.420 hi, Matt,
00:32:42.920 I saw you defending
00:32:43.700 the Pope on Twitter
00:32:44.460 for beating the woman
00:32:45.320 who tried to talk to him.
00:32:47.200 For beating the woman
00:32:48.400 who tried to talk to him.
00:32:50.000 Honest question,
00:32:51.600 WWJD.
00:32:53.420 Jesus never responded
00:32:54.540 that way to people.
00:32:55.360 Isn't that enough
00:32:55.940 to settle the argument?
00:32:57.200 Okay, Carl,
00:32:57.860 first of all,
00:32:58.500 I think you know
00:32:59.200 that your characterization here
00:33:00.420 is a little bit ridiculous.
00:33:01.860 He didn't beat anyone.
00:33:03.180 He didn't beat a woman
00:33:04.100 for trying to talk to him.
00:33:06.140 But before we get to WWJD,
00:33:08.880 what about WWCD?
00:33:10.500 Okay,
00:33:11.360 what would Carl do?
00:33:12.900 Think about that.
00:33:13.620 What would you do?
00:33:16.020 How would you react
00:33:17.260 if you were walking
00:33:18.360 down the street
00:33:18.920 and a stranger grabbed you,
00:33:20.760 yanked you towards them,
00:33:22.120 wouldn't let go
00:33:22.940 as you tried to release yourself
00:33:24.360 from their grasp three times?
00:33:26.920 Wouldn't you be well
00:33:27.860 within your rights
00:33:28.440 to slap them away?
00:33:30.220 Or would you just sit there
00:33:31.780 obediently
00:33:33.360 for as long as they want
00:33:34.220 to hold on to you?
00:33:34.880 Now,
00:33:37.140 you know,
00:33:38.880 I'm not saying WWCD,
00:33:40.620 what would Carl do
00:33:42.300 or what would I do?
00:33:43.140 That's not,
00:33:44.240 that's not,
00:33:45.620 that doesn't always justify
00:33:47.280 just because someone's done something
00:33:48.680 and you say,
00:33:49.160 well, I would do the same thing
00:33:50.000 doesn't mean that it's okay.
00:33:51.880 But I am saying
00:33:52.720 that before we pass judgment
00:33:54.000 on somebody,
00:33:55.220 we should think,
00:33:56.240 would I react the same way?
00:33:57.700 As for Jesus,
00:34:02.680 first of all,
00:34:03.740 you know,
00:34:04.600 you can't really say
00:34:06.360 that he never responded
00:34:08.120 that way to people.
00:34:10.120 Somebody made this point
00:34:11.140 on Twitter yesterday
00:34:11.860 and I think it's important,
00:34:13.320 it's a good point.
00:34:14.420 We actually have no idea
00:34:16.200 what Jesus did
00:34:18.080 or what he said
00:34:19.240 for 99.9% of his life.
00:34:22.920 You know,
00:34:23.180 for 99.9% of the time
00:34:24.700 that he spent on earth.
00:34:26.000 We have,
00:34:26.600 we really don't know
00:34:27.720 what he did or said.
00:34:29.160 So, you know,
00:34:30.240 he died at 33,
00:34:31.300 we think.
00:34:32.900 And the Gospels tell us
00:34:34.320 a little bit about his birth
00:34:35.480 and then nothing at all
00:34:37.300 except for one brief story
00:34:38.420 when he was an adolescent.
00:34:40.560 But then other than that,
00:34:41.740 nothing until he gets
00:34:42.740 to be about 30 or so.
00:34:43.900 And even then,
00:34:44.900 all of the Gospels
00:34:45.920 put together
00:34:47.540 give us,
00:34:48.340 what,
00:34:48.880 I don't know,
00:34:49.180 a few dozen scenes
00:34:50.400 of his life
00:34:50.920 during that time?
00:34:52.120 Maybe less than that?
00:34:54.180 Jesus lived a life,
00:34:55.540 a life consisting of
00:34:57.140 24 hours in a day
00:34:59.040 and he had about
00:35:00.240 12,000 of those days
00:35:01.740 and we have no idea
00:35:03.920 what happened
00:35:04.620 during all of those days
00:35:07.040 except for a few.
00:35:09.680 Now,
00:35:10.400 I'm not saying
00:35:12.400 that Jesus was going around
00:35:13.600 slapping the hell
00:35:14.280 out of people
00:35:14.760 for the rest of the time
00:35:15.920 that the Gospels
00:35:17.200 don't record.
00:35:18.220 I think probably
00:35:19.200 he wasn't.
00:35:20.580 I'm just saying
00:35:21.380 that you have to be careful
00:35:22.660 with statements like
00:35:23.700 Jesus never did XYZ.
00:35:26.320 You have to be,
00:35:26.940 and I think we all
00:35:28.020 get loose with that sometimes.
00:35:29.340 I know I've done it too.
00:35:30.960 That Jesus never said
00:35:31.940 or Jesus never did.
00:35:32.800 What you mean to say is
00:35:34.100 Jesus is never recorded
00:35:36.800 saying or doing XYZ.
00:35:40.600 Which in this case
00:35:41.580 isn't even true
00:35:42.440 because Jesus did
00:35:43.360 with people
00:35:44.100 at the,
00:35:44.800 you know,
00:35:45.220 in the cleansing
00:35:46.000 of the temple.
00:35:46.800 We get,
00:35:47.520 that's recorded
00:35:48.040 in all four Gospels
00:35:49.020 and he drives
00:35:50.460 people out
00:35:50.860 with a whip.
00:35:52.440 And that's
00:35:52.780 physical violence
00:35:53.880 that he used.
00:35:54.860 Different situation
00:35:55.780 of course,
00:35:56.500 but if you're
00:35:57.660 insinuating
00:35:58.040 that he never,
00:35:59.300 you know,
00:36:00.120 physically made contact
00:36:01.760 with someone
00:36:02.100 in that kind
00:36:02.960 of aggressive way,
00:36:04.480 that's,
00:36:04.940 it's not true.
00:36:05.700 We know that's not true
00:36:06.720 because it's recorded
00:36:07.420 in the Gospels.
00:36:09.120 But,
00:36:09.740 you know,
00:36:11.280 when we talk about
00:36:12.040 what Jesus never did
00:36:13.180 for the times
00:36:14.300 when he's not
00:36:15.380 on camera,
00:36:16.180 so to speak,
00:36:17.440 well,
00:36:17.840 we could say
00:36:18.300 that Jesus
00:36:18.700 never did
00:36:19.280 a sinful thing.
00:36:21.160 So you could say
00:36:22.060 that,
00:36:22.420 yeah.
00:36:23.980 But,
00:36:24.940 and you could say
00:36:26.320 he never did
00:36:26.800 anything anachronistic.
00:36:29.060 Okay,
00:36:29.480 it's probably safe
00:36:30.140 to say that he never
00:36:30.940 played Street Fighter
00:36:32.400 or watched Breaking Bad
00:36:34.340 or used an iPhone
00:36:35.080 given the time period
00:36:36.820 that he lived in.
00:36:38.360 But,
00:36:39.420 if what we're talking
00:36:40.840 about is not sinful
00:36:42.060 and it wouldn't be
00:36:43.680 out of place
00:36:44.500 for the time period
00:36:45.240 he lived in,
00:36:45.780 then we,
00:36:46.860 we can't really say
00:36:48.360 that he never did it.
00:36:51.260 So,
00:36:51.820 is it sinful
00:36:52.620 to swat someone's hand away
00:36:53.880 when they're grabbing you?
00:36:55.120 I don't think it is.
00:36:56.600 Why would that be sinful?
00:36:59.300 And if it's not,
00:37:00.740 and there's nothing about it
00:37:01.860 that's,
00:37:02.380 again,
00:37:02.560 out of place
00:37:03.180 for the time period,
00:37:04.660 I don't know,
00:37:05.620 maybe he did.
00:37:07.120 Can't really say.
00:37:10.200 All right.
00:37:12.420 From
00:37:12.820 Brian says,
00:37:15.140 hi Matt,
00:37:15.560 I read your piece
00:37:16.180 about guns in church
00:37:17.260 and schools.
00:37:18.140 Be real about this.
00:37:19.140 Would you really want
00:37:19.780 to send your kids
00:37:20.480 to school
00:37:20.880 where people are
00:37:21.500 toting guns
00:37:22.140 all over the place?
00:37:25.760 The way that you
00:37:26.860 make it sound,
00:37:29.000 no,
00:37:29.300 I wouldn't want that
00:37:30.040 because you're trying
00:37:30.740 to make it sound
00:37:31.240 like you're going
00:37:32.160 into school
00:37:32.660 and everybody's got a gun
00:37:34.080 including the kids
00:37:34.900 and they're all just,
00:37:35.740 you know,
00:37:36.080 twirling their pistols
00:37:37.120 with their fingers
00:37:37.920 and stuff like that.
00:37:39.140 Yeah,
00:37:39.540 of course,
00:37:39.960 nobody wants that.
00:37:41.440 But would I want
00:37:42.680 to send my kid
00:37:43.280 to a school
00:37:43.900 where there are
00:37:45.460 competent adults
00:37:46.980 who know
00:37:48.860 how to use firearms
00:37:49.940 and are legally
00:37:50.680 carrying them?
00:37:52.580 Absolutely.
00:37:54.880 And I'm kind of
00:37:55.940 at the point
00:37:56.320 where that's a prerequisite
00:37:57.480 actually for me
00:37:58.300 sending my kid
00:37:58.880 to a school.
00:37:59.440 I think I would need that.
00:38:03.520 And as I've pointed
00:38:04.520 out many times,
00:38:05.200 public schools
00:38:07.200 are government buildings
00:38:09.120 and, you know,
00:38:12.060 we could list
00:38:12.960 dozens of other types
00:38:15.120 of government buildings
00:38:16.100 that are guarded
00:38:17.620 by armed security
00:38:19.540 including even
00:38:21.180 you go to the
00:38:21.700 social service office
00:38:23.100 to get a new
00:38:23.780 social security card
00:38:24.920 or something
00:38:25.280 and there's going
00:38:26.960 to be a security guard
00:38:29.060 sitting there
00:38:29.680 with a gun.
00:38:33.240 When's the last time
00:38:34.260 the social security office
00:38:35.360 got robbed?
00:38:37.220 Doesn't happen very often.
00:38:40.060 Yet, you know,
00:38:41.160 there's an armed person there.
00:38:43.460 You go to Congress,
00:38:44.600 certainly there's going
00:38:45.240 to be armed security.
00:38:46.880 So,
00:38:47.280 if we
00:38:48.420 have
00:38:49.860 armed security
00:38:51.900 in government buildings
00:38:52.920 to protect documents,
00:38:55.520 to protect
00:38:56.500 politicians,
00:38:58.400 why wouldn't we have it
00:39:00.360 to protect
00:39:00.880 children?
00:39:02.300 Our own children
00:39:03.040 especially.
00:39:04.260 That doesn't make sense
00:39:05.440 to me.
00:39:06.040 This is from Beth,
00:39:06.720 says,
00:39:06.980 Matt,
00:39:07.200 I'm disappointed
00:39:07.740 in your take
00:39:08.340 on guns and churches.
00:39:09.540 I expect most
00:39:10.280 conservative pundits
00:39:11.060 to take the standard
00:39:11.840 talking point lines
00:39:12.980 but you usually
00:39:14.320 are more thoughtful
00:39:15.040 than that.
00:39:16.100 Do you acknowledge
00:39:16.840 that there is a gun
00:39:18.080 violence epidemic
00:39:18.900 in our country?
00:39:20.420 If so,
00:39:21.260 how can you deny
00:39:22.080 that reducing
00:39:22.700 the number of guns
00:39:23.400 will at least
00:39:23.820 have some positive
00:39:24.660 effect
00:39:25.040 on reducing
00:39:26.320 the epidemic?
00:39:27.060 Well,
00:39:27.280 Beth,
00:39:28.000 I don't acknowledge
00:39:30.140 the gun violence
00:39:30.880 epidemic as you put it
00:39:32.060 and I'll tell you why.
00:39:32.800 because 60%
00:39:34.640 of the gun deaths
00:39:36.120 every year
00:39:36.740 are suicides.
00:39:38.180 60%.
00:39:38.660 Now,
00:39:40.060 I do think
00:39:41.180 there's a suicide
00:39:41.920 epidemic
00:39:42.460 and that's a big
00:39:43.660 problem
00:39:43.880 but hopefully
00:39:44.280 you would agree
00:39:44.800 that guns
00:39:45.940 have almost
00:39:46.320 nothing to do
00:39:46.740 with it.
00:39:47.980 People might
00:39:48.720 choose to use
00:39:49.500 a gun to kill
00:39:50.140 themselves
00:39:50.500 if there's
00:39:51.080 one available
00:39:51.560 but do you
00:39:52.740 think you could
00:39:53.140 permanently stop
00:39:54.160 somebody from
00:39:54.560 killing themselves
00:39:54.980 just by keeping
00:39:56.240 them away from
00:39:56.800 a gun?
00:39:57.080 Well,
00:39:58.020 I think
00:39:58.200 obviously not.
00:39:58.880 Any more
00:39:59.160 than you could
00:39:59.480 permanently stop
00:40:00.100 someone from
00:40:00.440 killing themselves
00:40:00.960 by keeping
00:40:02.140 them away from
00:40:03.020 pills or
00:40:05.000 high ledges
00:40:05.920 or ropes
00:40:07.240 or any of the
00:40:08.040 other ways
00:40:08.560 that people
00:40:08.840 use to do
00:40:09.380 this.
00:40:11.000 So,
00:40:11.860 I think
00:40:14.880 it's clearly
00:40:16.060 absurd to
00:40:16.880 blame guns
00:40:17.720 for suicides.
00:40:18.760 And I don't
00:40:22.340 think that
00:40:22.900 suicides can
00:40:23.700 get lumped
00:40:24.320 into the
00:40:24.860 gun violence
00:40:25.680 epidemic
00:40:26.180 statistic.
00:40:27.160 I think it's
00:40:27.480 extremely misleading
00:40:28.600 because when
00:40:30.480 we hear about
00:40:31.620 the gun
00:40:32.080 violence epidemic
00:40:32.860 obviously what
00:40:34.600 comes immediately
00:40:35.420 to mind
00:40:36.180 is murder.
00:40:38.120 And it sounds
00:40:38.740 like when you
00:40:39.660 say there's a
00:40:40.160 gun violence
00:40:40.600 epidemic,
00:40:41.420 it sounds like
00:40:42.400 you're saying
00:40:42.820 there's an
00:40:43.240 epidemic of
00:40:44.580 people going
00:40:45.780 into buildings
00:40:46.380 or walking
00:40:46.860 across the street
00:40:47.500 or whatever
00:40:47.880 and using a
00:40:48.540 gun,
00:40:48.760 to kill
00:40:49.300 somebody else
00:40:50.000 or multiple
00:40:50.520 people.
00:40:51.780 That certainly
00:40:52.600 is the
00:40:53.620 impression
00:40:54.080 that's given
00:40:54.600 to us.
00:40:55.320 But when you
00:40:56.080 look at the
00:40:56.420 numbers and
00:40:58.480 what comprises
00:40:59.300 most of the
00:41:00.800 so-called gun
00:41:01.920 violence epidemic,
00:41:02.780 it is suicide.
00:41:04.200 And so that's
00:41:04.680 why it's
00:41:04.980 misleading.
00:41:05.880 Now, if you
00:41:06.940 take out
00:41:07.360 suicide,
00:41:08.440 you're left
00:41:08.940 with maybe
00:41:09.380 10,000 or
00:41:09.820 15,000
00:41:10.440 homicides by
00:41:12.200 gun every
00:41:12.860 year in the
00:41:13.260 U.S.
00:41:13.640 in a population
00:41:14.300 of 330
00:41:14.960 million.
00:41:16.180 So that's
00:41:16.760 one in every
00:41:17.540 what,
00:41:18.180 33,000
00:41:18.960 people.
00:41:20.220 Another way
00:41:20.780 to look at
00:41:21.100 this,
00:41:22.260 a football
00:41:22.760 stadium typically
00:41:23.520 fits 70,000
00:41:24.320 people.
00:41:25.420 So in any
00:41:25.920 given football
00:41:26.560 stadium packed
00:41:27.240 to the rafters,
00:41:28.600 two of the
00:41:29.160 people in that
00:41:30.020 whole stadium
00:41:30.480 will die by
00:41:32.140 gun homicide
00:41:33.100 in their life.
00:41:33.640 And that
00:41:35.220 actually, I
00:41:36.000 think, makes
00:41:37.340 it seem worse
00:41:37.960 than it is
00:41:38.480 because there's
00:41:40.080 a very good
00:41:40.560 chance that in
00:41:41.240 any given
00:41:41.660 stadium, nobody
00:41:42.880 in the whole
00:41:43.520 building is
00:41:44.360 going to die
00:41:44.900 by gun
00:41:46.880 violence.
00:41:48.360 Because the
00:41:49.060 inner city
00:41:49.600 accounts for a
00:41:50.900 disproportionate
00:41:51.560 amount of the
00:41:52.160 gun homicides.
00:41:52.840 So it's not
00:41:53.600 like this is a
00:41:54.320 problem spread
00:41:54.980 evenly throughout
00:41:55.700 the U.S.
00:41:56.260 But any
00:41:58.080 way you look
00:41:58.560 at it, you
00:41:59.740 know, I
00:42:00.800 don't think
00:42:01.200 10,000 in a
00:42:02.800 country of
00:42:03.220 330 million
00:42:04.100 counts as an
00:42:04.720 epidemic.
00:42:05.040 The only way
00:42:07.440 that 10,000
00:42:08.320 homicides in a
00:42:09.120 country of
00:42:09.580 330 million
00:42:10.720 can be called
00:42:12.480 an epidemic
00:42:13.000 is if you're
00:42:14.620 starting
00:42:15.280 from, from
00:42:17.840 with an
00:42:18.760 assumption or
00:42:19.680 a hope or a
00:42:20.440 belief that
00:42:21.760 nobody will be
00:42:22.740 murdered in a
00:42:23.800 country of
00:42:24.180 330 million.
00:42:25.460 So if your
00:42:26.240 expectation is
00:42:27.360 zero and you
00:42:29.280 end up, and
00:42:29.800 then you look
00:42:30.220 and it's 10,000,
00:42:31.700 well, yeah,
00:42:32.280 that's an
00:42:32.700 epidemic.
00:42:33.860 But if you
00:42:35.020 begin with an
00:42:35.920 understanding of
00:42:36.700 human nature
00:42:37.300 and an
00:42:39.500 acknowledgement
00:42:40.080 that murder
00:42:41.960 will happen
00:42:42.840 and that it
00:42:43.660 does happen in
00:42:44.560 every country,
00:42:45.560 no matter what,
00:42:47.380 then you have
00:42:48.260 to ask yourself
00:42:48.820 realistically,
00:42:50.640 best case
00:42:51.260 scenario, what
00:42:52.740 should the
00:42:53.720 murder rate
00:42:54.500 be?
00:42:56.460 You know,
00:42:56.760 what I'm
00:42:57.040 saying is,
00:42:57.720 well,
00:42:59.760 if, I
00:43:01.760 mean, we
00:43:02.540 talked before
00:43:03.060 about should
00:43:03.580 and shouldn't.
00:43:04.020 So, if
00:43:05.220 we're talking
00:43:05.640 ideally, in
00:43:07.540 an ideal
00:43:08.140 utopian
00:43:08.680 scenario, what
00:43:09.760 should the
00:43:10.020 murder rate
00:43:10.400 be?
00:43:10.600 Well, in
00:43:10.940 that case,
00:43:11.400 yeah, it
00:43:11.820 should be
00:43:12.300 zero.
00:43:13.140 But
00:43:13.600 realistically,
00:43:15.300 practically
00:43:15.800 speaking, in
00:43:17.160 the real
00:43:17.580 world, in a
00:43:19.360 country of
00:43:19.780 330 million,
00:43:21.820 what should the
00:43:22.700 murder rate be?
00:43:23.260 You can't say
00:43:23.800 zero because that's
00:43:24.620 not at all
00:43:25.340 realistic or
00:43:26.020 practical.
00:43:28.240 Because then
00:43:28.920 you're not
00:43:29.160 talking about the
00:43:30.060 real world,
00:43:30.580 you're talking
00:43:30.940 about a fantasy
00:43:31.920 utopia, which
00:43:32.760 doesn't exist.
00:43:34.220 So, that's my
00:43:34.900 question to you.
00:43:35.960 Do you think
00:43:36.440 10,000 is an
00:43:37.220 epidemic?
00:43:37.660 Well, what, I
00:43:38.300 mean, what are
00:43:39.040 you thinking?
00:43:39.940 Even if we got
00:43:40.680 rid of all the
00:43:41.140 guns, what would
00:43:42.020 you expect the
00:43:42.560 murder rate to
00:43:43.040 be?
00:43:45.080 5,000?
00:43:45.800 I think wherever
00:43:48.320 you put it, 10,000
00:43:50.040 maybe is a little
00:43:51.120 higher than what
00:43:52.300 you would like or
00:43:53.360 what you think we
00:43:54.560 can get at the
00:43:55.100 number two, but
00:43:55.800 it's not at
00:43:56.900 epidemic levels
00:43:58.380 in comparison to
00:44:02.180 your realistic
00:44:03.600 expectations.
00:44:05.580 Now, it's bad,
00:44:07.020 obviously.
00:44:07.340 Every murder is
00:44:08.060 bad.
00:44:08.360 Every violent
00:44:09.160 death is a
00:44:09.720 horrible thing.
00:44:10.720 And I'm not
00:44:11.400 saying we should
00:44:11.800 just accept it for
00:44:12.680 what it is.
00:44:13.580 What I'm saying
00:44:14.160 is we need to
00:44:14.560 be reasonable and
00:44:15.500 rational and
00:44:16.160 realistic in the
00:44:16.960 way that we
00:44:17.360 discuss it.
00:44:17.860 We have to
00:44:18.140 avoid sensationalism
00:44:19.320 and that's my
00:44:20.280 thing.
00:44:22.160 But, going back
00:44:23.080 to the numbers.
00:44:23.620 So, most of the
00:44:24.280 gun deaths are
00:44:24.820 suicides.
00:44:26.000 Then you've got
00:44:26.540 this minority of
00:44:27.440 cases where it's a
00:44:28.080 homicide by gun.
00:44:29.420 A disproportionate
00:44:30.180 number of those
00:44:30.920 are inner city
00:44:31.800 drug and gang
00:44:32.600 related.
00:44:33.100 And the crucial
00:44:33.480 point there is
00:44:34.840 that most of
00:44:35.620 that violence is
00:44:36.580 by people who
00:44:37.220 illegally obtained
00:44:38.260 the guns to
00:44:38.820 begin with.
00:44:40.120 So, you can't
00:44:40.820 make it more
00:44:41.540 illegal.
00:44:41.960 If somebody
00:44:42.440 illegally has a
00:44:43.420 gun and they
00:44:44.260 go commit a
00:44:44.800 murder, well,
00:44:46.040 they've done two
00:44:46.840 illegal things.
00:44:47.700 And I don't
00:44:47.940 think you can
00:44:48.300 make those
00:44:48.760 things any more
00:44:49.500 illegal than
00:44:50.120 they already
00:44:50.480 are.
00:44:51.160 So, additional
00:44:52.060 laws and
00:44:53.060 regulations on
00:44:53.600 top of that
00:44:53.980 probably won't
00:44:54.680 do anything.
00:44:56.760 So, I think
00:44:57.400 what you really
00:44:57.820 have to look at
00:44:58.540 when we talk
00:44:59.920 about gun
00:45:00.360 regulations and
00:45:01.440 the so-called
00:45:02.320 violence epidemic
00:45:03.160 and so on,
00:45:04.220 what you have
00:45:04.700 to look at are
00:45:05.640 cases where
00:45:06.520 legal guns
00:45:08.340 owned by
00:45:09.700 registered gun
00:45:10.600 owners are
00:45:11.840 used to
00:45:12.520 murder another
00:45:13.140 person.
00:45:14.800 And that is
00:45:15.800 a very small
00:45:16.880 percentage of
00:45:17.640 the overall
00:45:18.640 gun violence
00:45:19.900 statistic.
00:45:21.220 And in that
00:45:22.020 very small
00:45:22.660 percentage, given
00:45:24.140 that much of it,
00:45:25.060 most of it, the
00:45:25.900 vast majority of
00:45:26.500 it, is from
00:45:26.900 domestic disputes,
00:45:28.160 I don't see how
00:45:28.960 regulations against
00:45:29.860 guns would do
00:45:30.480 anything.
00:45:31.720 You know, unless
00:45:33.200 you're talking about
00:45:34.000 trying to confiscate
00:45:35.240 every gun and get
00:45:36.660 rid of all the
00:45:37.220 guns, which you
00:45:38.980 can't do
00:45:39.400 constitutionally,
00:45:40.840 and hopefully
00:45:41.320 if you are
00:45:41.880 living in the
00:45:42.380 real world, you
00:45:42.920 realize that you
00:45:43.640 can't do it
00:45:44.200 feasibly and
00:45:44.840 practically either.
00:45:46.300 So, if we're not
00:45:46.860 talking about that,
00:45:48.260 but if you're trying
00:45:49.180 to be reasonable
00:45:49.820 and talking about
00:45:50.420 things that we
00:45:51.200 could feasibly and
00:45:52.100 within the
00:45:53.180 framework of the
00:45:54.560 Constitution do,
00:45:56.680 I don't see how
00:45:58.900 anything you could
00:45:59.520 do would prevent
00:46:01.620 most of the,
00:46:03.900 you know,
00:46:04.720 murders that are
00:46:07.000 committed by legal
00:46:08.020 gun owners,
00:46:08.660 because, you
00:46:09.920 know, if a guy
00:46:11.000 in a drunken
00:46:11.980 rage kills his
00:46:13.980 wife, well, if he
00:46:16.900 had never committed
00:46:17.560 a crime before
00:46:18.340 that, and before
00:46:20.560 that point he was a
00:46:21.820 law-abiding citizen
00:46:22.900 and an adult and
00:46:24.440 all that, then on
00:46:25.580 what basis would
00:46:26.840 you deny him his
00:46:27.780 right to own the
00:46:28.880 gun?
00:46:30.000 This isn't the
00:46:30.740 minority report.
00:46:31.900 We can't look into
00:46:32.540 the future.
00:46:34.060 Yeah, we could talk
00:46:34.740 about red flags and
00:46:35.720 so on, but if the
00:46:37.280 red flag is not a
00:46:38.520 crime being committed
00:46:40.700 or, you know,
00:46:44.100 someone being
00:46:44.780 committed to a
00:46:46.320 mental institution
00:46:46.940 because they're
00:46:47.380 completely insane,
00:46:48.320 if that's not the
00:46:49.200 red flag, then I
00:46:49.700 don't, what can
00:46:50.600 you do?
00:46:54.480 And so that's
00:46:55.380 my stance on it.
00:46:57.100 I just don't see,
00:46:58.840 I think when you
00:46:59.840 talk about gun
00:47:00.320 violence epidemic,
00:47:01.120 I think that's
00:47:02.000 sensationalist nonsense,
00:47:03.200 nonsense, and it's
00:47:05.200 just not true, and
00:47:07.820 even though all
00:47:09.680 murder is obviously
00:47:10.720 bad, and we all
00:47:11.800 agree on that, and
00:47:12.560 we would all like to
00:47:13.300 see fewer murders, I
00:47:15.860 just don't see how
00:47:17.260 additional regulations
00:47:19.040 on top of the
00:47:20.720 regulations that exist
00:47:21.520 will do anything.
00:47:24.100 Especially when you
00:47:24.920 consider that, you
00:47:27.100 know, inner cities
00:47:28.900 are, again, the
00:47:30.760 disproportionate number
00:47:31.740 of gun homicides
00:47:32.500 happen there, and
00:47:34.260 those are the
00:47:34.780 places usually where
00:47:35.940 you have the
00:47:36.380 strictest gun laws
00:47:37.260 in places like
00:47:39.340 Baltimore and
00:47:39.940 Chicago.
00:47:42.280 So I think that's
00:47:43.340 what you have to, I
00:47:44.020 try to be, you
00:47:45.000 know, I don't, I'm
00:47:46.180 not, this isn't, this
00:47:47.280 isn't me spouting
00:47:47.960 talking points.
00:47:48.660 Nothing I'm saying
00:47:49.260 here is a talking
00:47:50.760 point.
00:47:51.520 Now these might be
00:47:52.280 points that
00:47:52.880 conservatives often
00:47:53.740 raise, I'm not
00:47:54.300 saying that I've
00:47:54.840 come up with some
00:47:57.740 bold new argument or
00:48:00.220 anything, but this
00:48:02.100 isn't, these are
00:48:02.720 just, I'm trying to
00:48:04.040 rationally and
00:48:04.800 reasonably work
00:48:05.480 through this, and
00:48:06.240 that's how I work
00:48:06.820 through it.
00:48:08.080 It doesn't make any
00:48:08.940 difference to me that
00:48:09.820 it's among
00:48:11.720 conservatives the
00:48:12.540 standard position is
00:48:14.740 to be pro-gun and
00:48:15.800 pro-gun rights.
00:48:16.620 I don't care if it's
00:48:17.360 the standard, it is
00:48:18.040 my position, but it's
00:48:18.980 not my position because
00:48:19.920 it's the standard one.
00:48:20.900 I don't care about the
00:48:21.460 standard position.
00:48:22.720 This is just how it
00:48:23.780 seems to me.
00:48:25.760 You can tell me where
00:48:26.980 you think I've gone
00:48:27.900 wrong.
00:48:28.260 I'd like to hear it.
00:48:28.840 All right, thanks
00:48:29.620 everybody for watching.
00:48:30.320 Thanks for listening.
00:48:30.940 We'll leave it there.
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