Ep. 398 - Hollywood Gets The Treatment It Deserves
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Summary
Ricky Gervais's Golden Globe performance, Sandra Bullock's in memoriam, and a new Netflix show about a man who wants to kill himself because his wife is dying of cancer. Plus, a special guest star of Netflix's new show Bird Box.
Transcript
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Welcome to the show, everybody. I hope you had a wonderful weekend. I know that mine was okay, a little bit sleep-deprived, really.
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You know, we have an infant in the house who wakes up like three times a night, as infants are prone to do.
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But then we also have a three-year-old who has recently decided to get into this lovely phase where he also gets up like three times a night.
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And then finally will wake up at 4 a.m. and he's ready to start the day at 4 a.m. He doesn't go back to bed after 4 a.m.
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So it's been, you know, our kids are trying to kill us, basically. They're trying to, this is my distress call to the world.
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They're trying to kill us because sleep is a human need. You can't survive without it.
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What they're doing is a violation of the Geneva Convention.
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I mean, if you were the warden of a prison and you woke your inmates up six times a night, you would be charged with human rights violations.
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And I tried to explain this to my three-year-old last night at 4 a.m., but he wasn't getting it.
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He just doesn't give a damn about the Constitution, honestly.
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Anyway, so Ricky Gervais at the Golden Globes, you know, he actually made a Hollywood awards ceremony watchable for at least seven minutes,
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which is an enormous achievement. It seems like an impossibility, right?
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It seems like making an award show watchable, it's like if an IRS agent made an audit enjoyable,
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or if your dentist made it fun to get a root canal.
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But Gervais pulled it off, mainly by ruthlessly mocking the Hollywood degenerates in attendance.
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And you've probably seen his opening monologue already, but if you haven't seen it, I'll play for you now.
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This is probably my favorite part of his opening monologue.
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We were going to do an in memoriam this year, but when I saw the list of people that had died, it wasn't diverse enough.
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This show should just be me coming out going, well done, Netflix, you win.
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But no, no, we've got to drag it out for three hours.
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You could binge watch the entire first season of Afterlife instead of watching this show.
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So, that, that's a show about a man who wants to kill himself because his wife dies of cancer.
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So, in the end, he obviously didn't kill himself.
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And, by the way, Afterlife, which is his own show that he's plugging there very cleverly, is a really good show.
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And the funny thing about Gervais is, although he's a great insult comic, he's also really good at making, at mixing sentimentality and humor.
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But there was very little sentimentality last night, which is good.
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Now, I didn't watch it past the monologue, but I hear that Gervais basically disappeared for the rest of the four-hour ceremony and showed up, you know, a couple of other times.
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One of the times that he popped back in, I think at the very end, he made, I thought, his best joke of the night.
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And like the other jokes, it was a joke, but also not really a joke at all.
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Our next presenter starred in Netflix's Bird Box, a movie where people survive by acting like they don't see a thing.
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As you can hear there, the best thing about Gervais's routine was the reaction from the crowd.
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You could tell that most of the uproarious sort of laughter was coming from the back of the room, from the somewhat normal people who showed up to watch.
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But the front of the room where the big celebs are sitting, you know, there it's awkward silence and with a few exceptions.
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They showed DiCaprio laughing a few times, which is nice.
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But most of the other celebrities grimacing and just straining to get through it.
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And that's because these people just absolutely cannot laugh at themselves.
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They really do believe that they are our betters and that their purpose in life is to instruct us and guide us and show us the way.
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And when somebody mocks them for doing that, they could only scowl in response.
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It's an unspoken why I never coming from the Hollywood elites in attendance.
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You know, if they had all just laughed hysterically at his jokes and thus at themselves, it would have undercut what he's saying.
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And it would have vindicated them a little bit.
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But instead, they responded exactly as he and the rest of us expect, thus vindicating everything that he was saying about them.
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I think that much is clear from the social media response alone.
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In fact, Entertainment Weekly did an online poll asking everyone what they thought of Gervais' performance.
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And the last I checked, it was like 80-20 in favor.
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Probably not the response that EW was looking for.
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Meanwhile, Lorraine Ali is a TV critic over at the L.A. Times, and she posted her review of Gervais.
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And she put it up on Twitter with this caption.
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The Golden Globes, the mood was already sober thanks to an impeachment, threat of war with Iran, and Australian bushfires.
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The last thing anyone needed was Ricky Gervais there telling them they sucked.
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No, Lorraine, that is exactly what we all needed to see.
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Actually, I want to read a good portion of it because it's just so delicious in all the ways that she definitely did not intend.
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Nihilism was the name of the game when host Ricky Gervais opened the Golden Globes on Sunday night with a gloom and doom monologue so cynical and made the effervescent Tom Hanks scowl.
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To attack Hollywood is nihilistic, according to Lorraine Ali.
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You know, nihilism is when you think that nothing matters, right?
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It's when you think that life doesn't matter, nothing matters.
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So in Lorraine Ali's mind, if you think that Hollywood doesn't matter, then that's the same thing as thinking life itself doesn't matter.
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So if you don't like Hollywood, you're a nihilist, according to Lorraine.
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The 58-year-old former, going back to the article now, the 58-year-old former Golden Globe winner and five-time host also flippantly reminded the packed room that no one cares about movies anymore.
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This is supposed to make us, you know, turn on Gervais.
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We're supposed to go, oh, Meryl Streep shook her head.
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You're telling me that Meryl Streep didn't like it?
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He's certainly offended in the past from the awards stage, and the ads for Sunday's telecast played upon the idea that anything could happen, including Gervais being a jerk.
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His knack for ripping on Hollywood and offending the glitterati is well known among the thin-skinned in the industry.
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But at the Beverly Hilton, where the three-hour-plus ceremony took place, the mood was already sober, thanks to an impeachment, the threat of war with Iran, and devastating bushfires in Australia.
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That's been the reaction from the left on impeachment.
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They take it very, they have a very sober-minded, serious approach to it.
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It's not like they've been jumping, jumping up and down with shouting with joy over it.
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She says, the last thing anyone needed was for the smirking master of ceremonies to reprimand them for having hope, or to taunt the room for trying to use their influence to change things for the better.
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Our issue with Hollywood is all the hope we get from it.
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When we turn on the TV and we see a bunch of drug-addled multimillionaires patting themselves on the back for five and a half hours, we think to ourselves, ugh, these people have too much hope.
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Gervais' disingenuous call for an apolitical evening was also answered by Russell Crowe when he won for actor in a limited series or TV movie for Showtime's Roger Ailes docudrama, The Loudest Room.
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The actor wrote in a statement, make no mistake, the tragedy unfolding in Australia is climate change based, which the actor wrote in a statement read by an audibly emotional Jennifer Aniston.
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We need to act based on science, move our global workforce to renewable energy, and respect our planet for the unique and amazing place it is.
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Others joined the chorus, including Joker winner Joaquin Phoenix, Carol Burnett Award recipient Ellen DeGeneres, and presenter Cate Blanchett.
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See, the drones over at LA Times just are incapable of understanding this.
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Nobody cares what Russell Crowe or Cate Blanchett think about politics or the state of the world.
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And not that they don't have the right to say it, they can say it all they want.
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And that was exactly the point that Gervais was making.
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And then, finally, this is maybe my favorite part.
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She says, as for spectacle, the most notable moment, aside from a few awards upsets, was the late arrival of Jay-Z and Beyonce.
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The pair stood back during Cate McKinnon's moving tribute to DeGeneres before taking their seats, but they at least provided a high-voltage moment in a room full of star power.
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To the TV critic in LA, the most notable moment, the most electric moment, was Beyonce and Jay-Z walking into the room.
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Just them simply walking into the room and taking their seat.
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That's the water cooler moment in Lorraine Ali's mind.
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That's the thing where at work the next day, you're at the water cooler.
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You said, hey, Chuck, did you catch the Globes last night?
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Man, did you see Beyonce walking into the room?
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I'll be telling my grandparents about that one.
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That's because Lorraine Ali worships these people.
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And she doesn't understand how anyone else could see it differently.
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You know, for her, to simply lay eyes on Beyonce is the defining moment.
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In response to Gervais' Globes monologue, they published a piece, Vox did, cataloging all the times that Gervais has made offensive jokes in the past.
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So this is kind of the same thing that Media Matters does with us at the Daily Wire all the time.
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Where they come up with these montages and things of defensive things we've said on our show.
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They're very good at pulling out our best stuff.
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Pulling out some of his funniest material and publishing it in an article.
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Thinking that we'll all read it and shake our heads in disapproval the way that Meryl Streep would.
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Ricky Gervais says comedians shouldn't pitch down.
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I mean, he's up there taking swipes at the most powerful people in media and Hollywood.
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The main ones who who didn't get it were in the audience.
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And nobody proved that point better than Michelle Williams, who is an actress, by the way.
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And she got up to an acceptance award and proceeded to launch into one of the most deranged
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and disturbing speeches I've seen in a long time.
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A speech where she's bragging about her own abortions.
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And is using this opportunity to brag about having killed one of her previous children.
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So at the end of his monologue, Gervais gave advice to the people who would follow him
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on stage, advice that almost all of them disregarded.
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Apple roared into the TV game with a morning show, a superb drama.
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A superb drama about the importance of dignity and doing the right thing made by a company
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So, well, you say you're woke, but the companies you work for, I mean, unbelievable.
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If ISIS started a streaming service, you'd call your agent, wouldn't you?
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So, if you do win an award tonight, don't use it as a platform to make a political speech,
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You're in no position to lecture the public about anything.
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Most of you spent less time in school than Greta Thunberg.
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So, if you win, right, come up, accept your little award, thank your agent and your God.
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But, be that as it may, Michelle Williams, who won for something or other, was not going
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I've tried my very best to live a life of my own making, not just a series of events that
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happened to me, but one that I could stand back and look at and recognize my handwriting
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all over, sometimes messy and scrawling, sometimes careful and precise, but one that I had carved
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And I wouldn't have been able to do this without employing a woman's right to choose.
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To choose when to have my children and with whom.
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When I felt supported and able to balance our lives, knowing, as all mothers know, that
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the scales must and will tip towards our children.
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Now, I know my choices might look different than yours, but thank God, or whomever you pray
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to, that we live in a country founded on the principle that I am free to live by my faith,
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So, women, 18 to 118, when it is time to vote, please do so in your own self-interest.
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First of all, the first thing that jumps out is she's got the audience tearfully applauding
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Right after Gervais spent seven minutes at the beginning of the show accusing them of
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being a bunch of pretentious, high-minded, self-interested phonies, and then Williams gets
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up and says, yay, self-interest, and everybody applauds.
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She's crying tears of joy at the very thought of self-interest.
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Michelle Williams says, we should be self-interested.
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And the woman in the audience, oh my God, that's so beautiful.
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By the way, do you think women, especially these women, need you to tell them to vote with
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Is she saying that up until now, women have, as a group, been these selfless martyrs who
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don't take their own interests into account when they go to the voting booth?
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Now, although most people do already vote out of self-interest, so that's the last thing
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Um, and certainly those people sitting up front at the Golden Globes are, don't need any guidance
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Shouldn't we be voting rather than solely for our own interests?
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Shouldn't we be voting for what's best for the country?
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What is Michelle Williams doing talking about women as if they're some separate, distinct,
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What is she doing talking about women's bodies?
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None of that exists anymore, Michelle, remember?
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Now, if we could put that to the side, which we can't, but if we could,
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uh, then we get to the bit about abortion and what, again, what an incredible illustration
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You've got this room full of wealthy narcissists wearing outfits that cost more than my car,
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applauding the murder of children, applauding self-interest and child murder.
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You've got a multimillionaire celebrity winning an award for doing a good job of
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pretending to be somebody else, bragging about the time she killed her child and her millionaire
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Let's go back and listen just to the part about abortion because there's a few things worth noting.
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As women and as girls, things can happen to our bodies that are not our choice.
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I've tried my very best to live a life of my own making and not just a series of events that happened
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to me, but one that I could stand back and look at and recognize my handwriting all over,
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sometimes messy and scrawling, sometimes careful and precise, but one that I had carved with my own hand.
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And I wouldn't have been able to do this without employing a woman's right to choose.
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To choose when to have my children and with whom, when I felt supported and able to balance our lives,
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knowing as all mothers know that the scales must and will tip towards our children.
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Okay. Again, this women's body stuff, what is a woman's body? What is that? That, that,
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that's not a thing that exists anymore, according to Michelle's own worldview. So I just, okay, fine.
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We'll just, we'll, we'll, we'll try to put that to the side. She says that, uh, things can happen to
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a woman's body that they don't choose. She says abortion enables her to decide when to have kids and with
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whom. Now, unless we're talking about rape, this is all nonsense, except in cases of rape,
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which accounts for less than 1% of all abortions. So in the 99% of cases, when a woman gets pregnant,
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she did absolutely choose it. Even if she didn't want to get pregnant, she still chose to do the thing
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that has billions of times in the past resulted in the conception of a, of a new human life.
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That was her choice. And with whom? Well, she chose that too. She chose to have sex with a male member
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of the species. They, they chose to participate in the reproductive act. That's a choice they made.
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You get rid of abortion. You do not at all impinge on choice, even slightly. You do not
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interfere with a woman's ability to choose who she has sex with or to choose whether or not to have
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sex in the first place. Also, I want you to note something else. It's kind of subtle. So maybe you
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you might've missed this. Um, she says that abortion allows her to choose when to have my children and
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with whom you notice that notice the phrasing. She says, you know, I could choose when to have my
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children and with whom. So the phrasing there is interesting when to have my children, my children.
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So Williams has a daughter right now. Um, and that's, I don't know how old the other, it's a child.
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Um, and she's also currently pregnant. So she was extolling the virtues of child murder while she was
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pregnant, which is sick. But the way she phrases it makes it sound like, you know, my children, the two
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that I have were going to come earlier, but it wasn't the right time. So instead I had them later.
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I didn't want to have my children earlier. So I had the abortion and then I had my children later.
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So this makes it sound like you can have an abortion and then postpone parenthood for a time
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and then become a parent later. As if the child that's been conceived, you can abort that child
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and then have that same child later. This is the, this is the delusion that abortion clinics sell to
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women. But of course it's not true. It is a delusion. When you conceive a child, you have a child.
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If you kill that child, they aren't going to be reconceived and then born some other time in the,
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in the, in the undetermined future, they they're dead and you're still a parent. You haven't put
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off parenthood. So when you have an abortion, you're not putting off that child and you're not
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putting off parenthood. That's still your child and you're still a parent. It's just that now you're
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the parent of a dead child and that child will stay dead forever. Um, and when you do have a child
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in the future, that's not going to be the child that you aborted. That child is dead. So now the
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child that you do have is going to have a dead sister or a dead brother. That's the reality of
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abortion. It doesn't allow you to choose when to have kids that choice, you know, that by the time the
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abortion occurs, that's irrelevant. The choice of when to have kids is, is something that needs to
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happen before conception. Okay. If you put off conception, then you have put off having kids.
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But when you have the abortion, you already had the kid. It's just that now the child is dead.
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way of putting it, but there's no other way to put it.
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So Michelle Williams, you know, according to her, she says she's, she had at least one abortion. She,
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she alludes to there. So she, Michelle Williams has three children, two alive and one dead.
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she claims that she was at Costco, just talking to her son, minding her own business.
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as this didn't happen. I mean, this didn't even come close to happening. I doubt that she was even
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in a Costco. This is not even in the vicinity of something that could even possibly have happened.
00:31:22.980
Now you have to give her points for being bold though, because she just is not concerned with
00:31:26.820
believability at all. She, she has no concern for that. She's tossing that to the wind. Also doesn't
00:31:33.240
explain, doesn't bother explaining how she knows that the woman is a Trump supporter. Maybe she screamed,
00:31:37.240
this is MAGA country afterwards. She doesn't, she doesn't explain, but, um, this is the claim that
00:31:42.400
she makes. This is this, this, this story in this story, this, this woman, this Trump supporter,
00:31:48.800
this fictional Trump story, this is the least believable villain since like, I don't know, uh,
00:31:53.200
the, the, the guy from power Rangers, Lord Zed, this is, I, it would be more believable to me
00:32:00.380
if she said that the villain from power Rangers showed up and drop kicked her. I would be more likely
00:32:06.220
to believe that than this, but you, you notice something about these fake stories and this is
00:32:13.260
how you always know that they're fake. Um, these fake stories that leftists make up to, to smear
00:32:19.820
Trump supporters. You notice that these people, these leftists just have taken no time and exerted
00:32:27.840
no energy in trying to actually understand the other side. They don't see the other side of the
00:32:35.780
political divide. They don't see them as people, their caricatures, their cartoons
00:32:40.340
because this, this fictional Trump supporter that she made up and her fake story. Um, this is,
00:32:49.080
that is just not how people operate at all. There's nothing believable about that. That,
00:32:55.260
that, that is not a human being. That's a cartoon. And the fact that this is what's significant
00:33:01.540
about it. It's that to Wendy Truong, you know, she thinks that's believable because that's how
00:33:09.220
she sees Trump supporters. She sees them as the kind of people who would go up to you at Costco
00:33:15.220
and, and tell you that it's okay if your son dies because you'll get his life insurance money.
00:33:21.940
Meanwhile, the son is standing right there. That that's how she sees Trump supporters,
00:33:27.320
uh, which, which tells you that either she has never come out of her bubble to actually interact
00:33:35.660
with Trump supporters, or when she does, she's not paying attention at all
00:33:41.100
to who they actually are and how they operate. Because if she did, she would see that these are
00:33:49.620
normal people who she disagrees with, but they're normal people. They're not cartoon villains,
00:33:56.140
as it turns out. All right. Um, so that's maybe a lesson. Uh, if, if, if you don't want to take the
00:34:08.740
time to understand the other side, just as a matter of being a, you know, just for the sake of, of
00:34:14.400
yourself being a decent person, uh, just for the sake of empathy, then maybe at least take that time
00:34:20.440
so that you can make, make up more believable stories when you try to smear them in the future.
00:34:26.140
Think of it as, as research. It's research for the part that you're trying to play in the future.
00:34:34.300
You want to play the part of the victim of a, of an evil Trump supporter. Well,
00:34:38.480
then you really got to take the time, do the research, figure out what makes these people tick.
00:34:46.160
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Only trust me. You don't want to miss this. All right, let's go to emails. Matt wall show at
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gmail.com. Matt wall show at gmail.com. Uh, this one is from Danette says warm greetings to you from
00:36:00.540
sunny Chicago. First off, I love your show and I actively watch all of the daily wires content via
00:36:04.600
the new app. And even though I've been a subscriber for a month now, uh, well, this, this, I didn't do
00:36:11.180
this on purpose. This actually works pretty nicely from the, from what I was just talking about in the
00:36:15.560
promo there. So here we have a, uh, someone who's a, who uses the new app. Uh, even though I've been
00:36:21.060
a subscriber for a month now and have yet to receive the legendary Tumblr, wink, wink, nudge,
00:36:25.160
nudge. I'm not bitter about it. Well, I'll make sure you get that to net. I'll look into that.
00:36:28.840
Attached is a picture of my family's favorite dinner. What you, what you have the privilege of
00:36:33.880
gazing upon is a bacon wrapped pork tenderloin on a bed of various vegetables salted with Tony's
00:36:39.880
Creole seasoning, or as I like to call it pig in a pig blanket. It is broiled and served with my
00:36:45.900
homemade smoked cheddar gravy. We are primarily a keto household. So don't worry. This decadence will
00:36:51.360
not kill us. Uh, I hope that my bacon is a keto or keto by the way, which one is it? I'm going with
00:36:58.280
keto. I hope that my bacon cooking method meets your approval as you are particular about your bacon.
00:37:03.660
Okay. So Danette has given us a picture of her bacon, her bacon dish. Let's take a look at this
00:37:11.200
picture that you sent Danette. Here it is. Now I'm going to leave that up on the screen for a minute
00:37:15.680
because we really need to get into this. Danette, you want me to review your bacon.
00:37:21.460
I will do it, but you can't get offended. Now, remember you asked for this.
00:37:26.880
Now, um, the management training course that I took for my assistant manager job at Domino's when I was
00:37:34.300
19 told me that you should always couch criticism with positive feedback as well. So on a positive
00:37:40.760
note, I like the idea behind your dish. I like your energy. I like your hustle. I like your commitment
00:37:47.380
to pork. I like the cheddar gravy idea. All that is good. Very commendable. Unfortunately, the execution
00:37:53.880
is a disaster on the level of the Hindenburg. Now this is supposed to be the finished product,
00:37:59.740
correct? What we're looking at here. So you've already cooked it. If you've already cooked this,
00:38:06.440
then why is there raw bacon draped over the pork? Is the pork tenderloin raw too? Is that just a live
00:38:14.920
pig hanging out under there? I mean, look at this bacon, look at this bacon. There is precisely one
00:38:20.960
piece of bacon that is properly cooked on this entire dish. And you could spot it yourself. It's right there.
00:38:26.140
You see the horizontal strips of bacon at the bottom of the screen, the one in the middle right there.
00:38:31.940
That is the only properly cooked piece of bacon. And how do you know that it's properly cooked? Well,
00:38:37.960
you notice the coloring. You notice the charred edges. You notice the texture. It's got all of the
00:38:43.920
the hallmarks of a properly well cooked piece of bacon. So well done. You did one nicely cooked
00:38:50.460
piece of bacon. The problem is there's like 20 pieces of bacon on that thing. And I would never
00:38:54.780
say that it's a problem to have 20 pieces of bacon. It's only a problem when you don't cook the other
00:38:58.960
19. Now really having that one well cooked piece of bacon only makes the rest of it worse because then
00:39:06.780
you get the, you know, now we can compare it. So compare that to the vertical slice all the way to the
00:39:13.100
far left, um, of the, of the screen or no, the far right, depending on which way you're looking at
00:39:20.040
this. Now notice it's, it's sickly pale white appearance. It looks like it has the stomach flu,
00:39:27.040
pale, sweaty, soggy, just lying there limp. And you serve that to your family. Are you trying to kill
00:39:34.860
them? My God, Danette, this is, if my wife served that to me, we'd be in marriage counseling.
00:39:39.600
That's how bad it is. Now the, the bacon does get progressively better as you go down the tender
00:39:45.880
line, but even the, even the best cooked piece of bacon is not cooked very well at all. So let me
00:39:53.340
ask you this, Danette, when you make meatballs, do you just, you know, take the ground beef and,
00:39:58.960
and, and, and grab a chunk of, of raw ground beef and throw it on the table, throw it in your
00:40:05.700
husband's face. Here's your meatball. Is that what you do? Because that's the equivalent of what
00:40:13.500
you've done here. I can't look at this anymore. I am, I am shocked and appalled. I have to assume
00:40:20.940
that this is some sort of practical joke, but, um, thank you for being a subscriber and, uh, thank you
00:40:28.600
for, for listening as well. Appreciate your support. Um, let's go to Victor says, hi, Matt. I agree with
00:40:36.700
everything you say about gender. Men are men and women are women, but I've always struggled with
00:40:40.820
your insistence that we shouldn't use people's preferred pronouns. You say that calling a man,
00:40:45.320
a she or vice versa is bad grammar and violates the rules of language, but grammar is a social
00:40:50.660
convention and changes with the time. Anyway, I think your argument is weak. Uh, let's see. I think
00:40:56.780
your argument is weak here. Yes. The left is trying to change the rules of language, but the rules of
00:41:00.300
language always change. So what's the big deal? Well, I think you have my argument wrong, Victor.
00:41:05.960
My problem with calling a man, a she is not that it violates the rules of grammar. It's not that it's
00:41:10.820
ungrammatical. It's that it's incomprehensible and also it's false. So, you know, if I say that,
00:41:19.120
um, we should call elephants, elephants and not horses, I'm not making a point about grammar.
00:41:26.780
It's not bad grammar to call an elephant, a horse. That's not, you wouldn't call that bad grammar.
00:41:31.580
That's just a lie or a mistake, um, or a, you know, a mark of confusion. And if we were to codify
00:41:40.380
this new rule or policy where elephants can be called elephants or horses and horses can be horses
00:41:46.900
or elephants, then we have made language unintelligible, not just ungrammatical. We've
00:41:53.020
made it unintelligible. Nobody has any idea what anyone was talking about. Now it's true. It's true
00:41:58.900
that we don't have to call elephants elephants. We could call them anything we want. And every
00:42:05.500
language has its own, its own word for elephant, right? So that's not the point. The actual word
00:42:12.800
that we use for elephant, the word elephant itself is basically arbitrary. We could use any word.
00:42:19.840
I mean, we think about it. A word is a symbol, you know, every word is a symbol and it, because it
00:42:27.100
stands for something. And when you're communicating, you are to somebody else, you are putting into their
00:42:34.140
head, a whole string of symbols where each thing that you say stands for something in the real world,
00:42:40.020
um, or something in your mind that you're trying to convey. And, and so that's what it is. So you
00:42:47.240
could use any symbol to stand for elephant. We use the word elephant. Fine. But the point is you need
00:42:54.220
to have a different symbol for elephant than you do for horse. It doesn't matter what it is, whatever
00:43:00.140
the word is, whatever the sound is, whatever the symbol is, it doesn't matter. It could be literally any
00:43:04.620
word. It just has to be a distinct word. It has to not be the same word that you use for horse or else
00:43:11.840
again, language fails to do the thing that language is supposed to do, which is convey meaning.
00:43:18.840
That's the point. When I'm speaking to you, I am trying to communicate meaning and I want you to
00:43:27.060
understand what I'm saying. Now this point you make about grammar being an arbitrary convention.
00:43:33.900
And so it doesn't, doesn't make any sense to insist on maintaining a convention and resisting the
00:43:39.100
change of a convention. That to me, I understand what you're saying. And I actually, I actually agree
00:43:43.160
with what you're saying. I just think that you're applying it to the wrong thing. So that to me applies
00:43:49.240
to, um, like the, the whole thing about not ending a sentence with a preposition, for instance,
00:43:54.840
grammar Nazis who correct you when you say he knows what I'm talking about rather than he knows about
00:44:02.700
what I'm talking, or there's the person I wanted to talk to rather than there's the person to whom
00:44:09.020
I wanted to talk, or, uh, she's the girl I went to prom with rather than she's the girl with whom I
00:44:14.500
went to prom or that's someone I look up to rather than that's someone up to whom I look, et cetera.
00:44:22.860
Now, here's an example of an entirely arbitrary grammatical convention and something that is subject
00:44:30.080
to change and that has no real objective reason to exist. In truth, it doesn't matter if you end a
00:44:36.340
sentence with a preposition. There's no reason why that should be wrong. We just say that it is, but it
00:44:42.720
doesn't have to be. And so when you say, you know, if you say something like that's the person I went to
00:44:50.440
prom with, you're not conveying an untruth unless provided you actually did go to prom with that
00:44:56.620
person. And, um, you aren't saying anything unintelligible. Everybody knows what you mean.
00:45:03.620
And that's why grammar Nazis are so annoying is because when you say that's the person I went to
00:45:07.620
prom with and the grammar Nazi says, no, it's with whom you went to prom. Okay. You know what I mean?
00:45:12.240
You understand what I'm saying. Don't you? What's the point of the correction? This is, this is a
00:45:18.580
successful human communication. I told you that's the person I went to prom with. You understand what
00:45:24.420
that means. There's no reason to correct me. Um, in fact, often the avoid, the, the attempt to avoid
00:45:32.560
the dangling preposition makes the sentence less comprehensible instead of more like that's the person
00:45:39.440
up to whom I look technically grammatically correct, but also it's clunky and weird. And it
00:45:45.720
takes you a second to even understand what I'm talking about. It makes better. So it makes more
00:45:49.860
sense. And it's better to just say, that's the person I look up to the whole point of grammatical
00:45:56.020
convention is to help language be comprehensible. If a convention cuts against that goal, it's probably
00:46:03.440
time to change it. You know, that's, um, for me as a, as a, as a writer, I don't, honestly, I'm not
00:46:13.180
overly worried about all the technical rules of grammar. I'm worried about just getting my point
00:46:18.460
across. That's all I want to do. I want you to understand what I'm saying. And, uh, so yeah, I'll end
00:46:26.100
a sentence in preposition for, for me. And I, and I think this is what most people do. This is what most
00:46:30.060
people do. It's, it's kind of a feeling it's you, you, you, and we all have this with language. We
00:46:33.880
have a feel for it. And so you look at a sentence and you might not be able to break it down grammatically
00:46:39.720
and identify all the parts of speech and everything, but you look at a sentence and you sort of know if
00:46:44.960
it feels right or not. Does it look like the right kind of sentence or not? And there could be times
00:46:51.440
when a technically grammatically correct sentence feels wrong. I mean, I do this sometimes when I'm
00:46:56.360
writing where I put a sentence down on the, on the, on the paper, well, not on the paper, but on the
00:47:00.700
screen. And I look at it and it's grammatically correct, but it just feels wrong. It looks weird.
00:47:05.260
It's clunky. It's kind of, it throws off the rhythm. And so I'll correct it to a, to a grammatically
00:47:11.120
incorrect version of it just because it looks better. And I think it does a better job of getting my point
00:47:18.360
across. You know, the preposition thing, that's I think that goes back to the 18th century. It was
00:47:27.180
really just a guy in the 18th century came up with this rule that you can't end a sentence in a
00:47:32.860
preposition. He just came up with it. And ever since then, everyone says, okay, well, I guess we won't do
00:47:38.100
that anymore. But to, to, to insist that 21st century English speakers adhere to 18th century
00:47:45.920
grammatical convention is silly and pointless. Why not insist on 16th century grammatical convention?
00:47:51.960
Why not insist that we use words like thine and thou and sayeth?
00:47:58.420
Obviously, if somebody spoke that way today, we would look at them like they're crazy or like
00:48:03.620
they're joking around, even though it's grammatically correct. Technically, I mean,
00:48:10.580
technically a word like sayeth or thine, it's probably technically better grammar than what
00:48:18.560
we say today instead, but who cares? Um, here's the other thing about changes in grammatical
00:48:26.760
convention. An authentic change happens on its own organically. So it's not like somebody decided in
00:48:35.560
1983 that now we're going to start saying went to prom with rather than with whom I went to prom.
00:48:41.380
It just shifted. The language evolved as languages always do and everywhere do, and will always do
00:48:47.620
in the future. Languages always change, always evolve. That's net. And that fact is never going
00:48:52.020
to change with this pronoun stuff. On the other hand, it's very different. Okay. So when you've got
00:48:58.640
language naturally evolving, I think that's basically fine. Um, uh, as long as meaning is
00:49:09.300
maintained. Now, what you see online these days of people replacing written language altogether with
00:49:17.420
emojis and stuff, where now we're at the point where people can't even verbally or with writing
00:49:23.000
communicate their emotions without putting a smiley face down. Now we're, we're, we're back to using
00:49:28.160
hieroglyphics. I'm not a fan of that because that's a D a devolution. That's a degrading of
00:49:33.680
language where language becomes less precise. It's, it's less able to, you know, it's, it's not as rich
00:49:41.180
anymore. You're not able to communicate your, your emotions and, and, and your thoughts as well.
00:49:47.680
So that I think is a problem, but all of that is different from the pronoun stuff. And I'll tell you
00:49:52.200
why, because with the pronoun stuff, we have a small group, a small politically motivated group
00:49:57.100
trying to impose a change. They're not observing a change. They're not defending a change that's
00:50:04.400
already happened. They're insisting on the change. Okay. And they're not doing like what I'm doing
00:50:12.900
with prep, with the preposition thing with prepositions. I'm saying this change has already
00:50:17.120
happened. The convention has already shifted. It's fine. There's really no problem with it.
00:50:22.740
So who cares? With the pronouns, that's totally different. You've got this small politically
00:50:31.180
motivated group who are saying this must change. It hasn't changed. People still say he, she, all
00:50:38.480
that. The small politically motivated group is saying, no, no, no, we must change this. And not
00:50:45.120
because they want to make language more intelligible. Rather, they want to make it less intelligible.
00:50:52.740
Their stated goal is to prevent the hearer from fully comprehending what the speaker is saying so
00:50:59.640
that when a pronoun is used, um, they don't want the hearer to, to really know whether it's referring
00:51:05.680
to a biological male or female. They're trying to cut, they're trying to obscure rather than elucidate
00:51:13.180
or illuminate. And so that's, that's the difference. I bet you didn't think we were going to end with a
00:51:21.300
20 minute spiel on grammar, but, uh, here we are. That just happened, folks. We can't go back now.
00:51:27.680
And I think we'll leave it there. Thanks everybody for watching. Thanks for listening.
00:51:30.200
Hope you get some good sleep tonight. I know that I will not. Godspeed.
00:52:00.200
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