The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 406 - When The Pro Abortion Movement Takes Off The Mask

00:00:00.000 It was a sad and somber day yesterday, sadly somber, somberly sad, another terribly sad and somber day when Nancy Pelosi signed the articles of impeachment and then posed for pictures and gave out commemorative pens because that's normal, right?

00:00:16.580 That's what you do on a sad and somber occasion. You give out gift bags. You go to a funeral, they hand out gift bags, they do a pinata. Very normal stuff, what sad and somber is all about.

00:00:27.080 And then very sadly and very somberly, the Democrats delivered the articles of impeachment to the Senate. They formed, the Democrats did, an actual procession, much like a procession you might see if you go to a Catholic mass and the priest processes in. Much like that, two by two, they marched the folder down to the Senate, down the corridors of the Capitol building. It's pretty hilarious.

00:00:55.240 Now, I realize that House Democrats aren't necessarily in the best physical shape. I don't mean to body shame. And so I understand that. But do they really need nine people to help carry a folder? It can't be that heavy, can it?

00:01:09.680 And I wonder how much organization went into this. That's all I can think when I'm watching this. How much organization, how much planning and prep went into this ahead of time? Did they rehearse it? Did they time their march so they'd be in the same rhythm as they were marching?

00:01:21.760 How did they decide who to pair up with or who's in front? I mean, you know that thought went into this. And you see the woman in the back? Everybody's paired up two by two. There's a woman straggling behind in the back by herself. 0.92

00:01:32.820 I'm guessing that she's sort of the nerd, the hanger on of the crew. And they tried to leave with leave without her. But then she ran. I was like, wait, guys, are you bringing the articles impeachment to the Senate? Yeah. Oh, I want to come.

00:01:45.980 You could also tell that they really didn't know what to do with their faces or their bodies as they were walking. That's what made it awkward. It's hard when you're trying to strike a balance between sad, somber, and ecstatic with triumphant joy.

00:02:03.580 It's a really hard, facially, that's a really hard balance to strike. And they, because those are just tough ingredients to find a harmony with. But they did their best with it. And hopefully the folder made it there okay. I just wish that for the next impeachment, here's my thought. Let's do a whole thing. If we want to do this, let's really do it.

00:02:24.680 So the next impeachment, I think you should sign the articles down in Florida and then walk them up 95 for 1,000 miles. It'll take nine months. It'll be a journey, an adventure. We'll learn a lot along the way. Make some friends. It'll be great.

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00:04:07.560 Okay. So, get ready for the most disturbing thing you've probably heard in a while.

00:04:18.680 Somebody emailed this to me, brought it to my attention. Jordan was his name. He passed this along to me.

00:04:23.920 It's a post on the Reddit forum Child Free. Now, if you're not familiar with the Child Free Movement, that's a group of people who advocate not just that people should have no children, but that they should kill the children they've already conceived. 0.87

00:04:42.420 So, they're very pro-abortion, very anti-child, and very open about that. 0.91

00:04:49.560 They really do hate children. Really, really hate them. 0.79

00:04:52.860 This is not a small group either. There's a lot of these folks out there, and they're not just on Reddit.

00:04:57.600 There are other forums on the internet. Facebook has child-free groups where these people come together, and they just talk about how much they absolutely despise children.

00:05:06.280 So, I want to read this one post to you that Jordan passed along, and there are a few points I want to make about it.

00:05:16.100 This is what it says from a user on Reddit.

00:05:19.860 I'm on my way to Planned Parenthood to purge the two parasites that somehow implanted into my uterus despite me being on the pill.

00:05:27.420 I can't effing wait to stop being nauseous and throwing up and being unable to keep water down.

00:05:32.160 I can't wait to be rid of this hypermesis gravidarum that destroyed my Christmas and ruined my New Year's Eve and is ruining my life.

00:05:39.520 I can't effing wait to be done with the anxiety of knowing these things are in my uterus and knowing that I will not have to birth dribbling horror goblins. 0.93

00:05:48.260 Will not have disgusting, leaking blanks censored. 0.99

00:05:53.020 Will not go home from the hospital in a nappy and with a stitched-up vagina. 1.00

00:05:56.660 I will not have postpartum depression or be left disfigured with stretch marks. 0.90

00:06:00.400 My relationship with my significant other will not be ruined.

00:06:03.500 I am dedicating this double fetus purge to the anti-choice movement because no matter how hard you try, you will not force us to be your handmaids. 0.97

00:06:11.460 Happy 2020.

00:06:14.360 And then there are a whole bunch of comments, hundreds and hundreds of comments, that are even worse than this, if you can believe it.

00:06:20.900 But they're all encouraging her, cheering her on.

00:06:24.160 I'm not going to read them.

00:06:25.240 Suffice it to say that the term she called babies dribbling horror goblins, but the term crotch goblin appears to be the generally accepted term among these people for babies.

00:06:34.960 That's a term that pops up again and again.

00:06:39.340 So, a couple of things here.

00:06:42.760 A few things.

00:06:43.540 First of all, I absolutely reject the rationale that you hear from a lot of people about this kind of stuff.

00:06:53.840 I posted this on Twitter, and this was the response from some people where they said,

00:06:58.560 Oh, that's just Reddit.

00:07:00.040 Can't get worked up about it.

00:07:01.240 It's not real life.

00:07:03.260 No.

00:07:04.820 It is real life.

00:07:07.500 What do you think this is?

00:07:08.820 This is real life.

00:07:10.880 It's not a dream.

00:07:11.940 It's not a dream.

00:07:13.540 Okay?

00:07:14.580 We're not in the matrix.

00:07:16.820 This is real life.

00:07:19.200 What does that even mean?

00:07:20.620 Just Reddit.

00:07:22.180 Like, all of a sudden, something barbaric and horrifying isn't barbaric and horrifying anymore, if it's at a certain URL?

00:07:29.880 Why?

00:07:31.320 These are human beings.

00:07:34.100 Even if they're not acting like it, these are people.

00:07:38.440 Actual people writing this stuff.

00:07:40.840 And writing it because that's how they feel and that's how they think.

00:07:45.340 So these are real people who really feel this way and are expressing it.

00:07:50.000 The fact that it's just Reddit or just Twitter or just YouTube or whatever is by no means an excuse for them, nor is it an excuse for us to not take it seriously.

00:08:01.520 You know, we've decided that the internet, especially places like Reddit, are morality-free zones where atrocious garbage doesn't matter because it's just what people do there.

00:08:11.400 Oh, you know, that's just what people do there.

00:08:13.200 Not big deal.

00:08:15.480 Kids will be kids.

00:08:17.980 Think about, I just want you to think about, and we're so used to seeing things this way.

00:08:22.140 We've normalized sociopathic, truly psychotic behavior online.

00:08:30.180 The most horrible things you can imagine, the most horrible thoughts being expressed, we've come to normalize and see as not that big of a deal if it happens on the internet. 1.00

00:08:42.660 But think about how arbitrary and stupid that is. 0.99

00:08:45.700 Why? 1.00

00:08:46.640 Who cares if it's the internet?

00:08:47.740 Think about how it would sound if you told me that you heard people saying this sort of stuff to each other in person at, let's say, Starbucks.

00:08:58.420 What if you were at a Starbucks and there was a whole bunch of people sitting around a table talking about crotch goblins and bragging about killing babies, okay?

00:09:06.860 And then you told me about it and said how horrified you were.

00:09:10.880 And then I said, oh, that's not real life.

00:09:12.720 It's just Starbucks.

00:09:15.860 You would look at me like I'm crazy.

00:09:17.320 What do you mean it's not real life at Starbucks?

00:09:20.060 Did I walk into virtual reality?

00:09:22.040 What are you talking about?

00:09:23.800 The distinction between a Starbucks cafe and real life would seem rather arbitrary and unintelligible.

00:09:32.100 Well, it's the same for this.

00:09:34.280 This is real life.

00:09:35.400 This is completely real, I'm afraid to say.

00:09:37.400 I hear this a lot as someone who spends a lot of time on the internet, unfortunately, and, you know, there have been, as it won't surprise you to learn, there have been, I have received my, more than, I think, my fair share of vile comments and emails and things from people.

00:09:56.760 And, you know, I'm so used to it.

00:09:59.600 I think that's part of it.

00:10:00.340 We get so used to it, we get numb to it, which is a problem.

00:10:04.460 But I get numb to it and I get used to it.

00:10:06.480 But every once in a while, somebody will send something to me and they'll say something that even as jaded as I am, it makes me go, wow, that's especially horrible.

00:10:14.720 And then I'll tell somebody about it and they'll say, oh, yeah, it's just, you know, just the internet, just what people say.

00:10:23.620 Yeah, but it shouldn't be, though.

00:10:25.960 It shouldn't be what people say.

00:10:28.460 And these are still people saying it.

00:10:31.000 I do not see the distinction between saying something through this forum and saying it any other way, whether it's verbally, whether it's written on a loose-leaf piece of paper and left at your doorstep.

00:10:45.840 What difference does it make?

00:10:47.300 It's still a person saying it, right?

00:10:51.200 The other rationale or excuse you often hear is that, well, people have always been like this.

00:10:57.760 It's nothing new.

00:10:58.460 The only difference is that now we know about it because of the internet.

00:11:01.880 And that's true, I think.

00:11:04.160 But that's part of the problem.

00:11:06.380 The internet has provided a forum for people to, in the safety of anonymity, to air their most depraved and disgusting thoughts.

00:11:17.100 And pretty soon these communities start to crop up, communities of people who have bonded together just by the fact that they all share the same depraved and disgusting thoughts.

00:11:26.540 That's the only bond.

00:11:27.740 That is the defining thing about their community.

00:11:30.820 They have formed a community around it.

00:11:33.380 That they all think this horrible thing or they have this horrible interest or proclivity or whatever it is.

00:11:41.080 And they form a club around it.

00:11:44.660 And the effect is that they encourage each other in it and they dive deeper into their own depravity together.

00:11:51.220 And other people who've maybe had similar thoughts or close to similar thoughts see this and it's normalized for them and they think, oh, it's okay.

00:12:01.040 Why? Because we are inclined as people to think, and I think this is part of the issue here, is that as people we are inclined to think that things are okay if other people are doing them or saying them.

00:12:14.280 As much as we were told as kids by our parents, you know, just because your friends are jumping off a bridge doesn't mean you should too.

00:12:21.960 So the fact is, if you see a bunch of people jumping off a bridge, you're probably going to think, well, I guess it's okay to jump off that bridge.

00:12:28.360 That's how we are.

00:12:30.780 And even with our most shameful thoughts, if we see, we go online and we see other people saying the same thing, we think, oh, it must not be that bad then.

00:12:41.260 Now, in past times, a person would have a depraved and disgusting thought, would tell nobody because there'd be no safe place to divulge it.

00:12:50.220 There'd be no way for them to say it anonymously, and so they don't say it at all.

00:12:54.560 And they feel shame for their thoughts, which they should feel.

00:12:57.800 And they suppress it, which they should suppress it, and maybe eventually they succeed in moving on from it.

00:13:03.060 Or maybe not, but maybe they do.

00:13:06.120 So there have always been parents who've felt horrible things about their kids.

00:13:13.020 It's just that in the past, there was nowhere for them to go and brag about it.

00:13:18.740 There was nowhere for them to go and be made to feel comfortable with these thoughts.

00:13:22.820 Now there is.

00:13:23.680 And if you go to this child free form, is it one of the other, I mean, if you, you can't spend a lot of time there, you just wouldn't be able to stomach it.

00:13:33.120 But I was looking at a few other posts, and there's a lot of also parents who've actually had their kids and hate their kids' babies.

00:13:42.800 I mean, I saw one post from a woman with a baby and talking about how much she hates her baby and wishes the baby was dead and she never had the baby.

00:13:51.100 Now again, have there always been parents who felt this way about their kids?

00:13:55.660 Sure.

00:13:55.860 But the only difference is they couldn't go to a community and have these thoughts normalized and be celebrated and encouraged in it.

00:14:09.960 Whereas in the past, they might have had to think to themselves, wow, this is really terrible that I feel this way.

00:14:14.800 This is wrong.

00:14:15.580 I should not feel this way about my kids.

00:14:18.080 There is something wrong with me.

00:14:19.720 I am ashamed.

00:14:20.680 I should be ashamed.

00:14:21.840 It is shameful. 1.00

00:14:22.660 I feel this way because I am a selfish, disgusting person. 0.99

00:14:26.780 And I shouldn't be that way. 0.98

00:14:28.240 I need to change myself.

00:14:31.300 That's how it used to be.

00:14:32.740 Not now, though.

00:14:35.080 The third thing, to anyone tempted to think that what I just read is not representative of the pro-abortion movement, you are absolutely wrong.

00:14:43.540 And as pro-lifers, I think pro-lifers can tend to be timid about a lot of things, unfortunately.

00:14:48.840 Not all pro-lifers, but this is a problem among some pro-lifers, is timidity.

00:14:55.580 And I think it's been a fatal problem for the pro-life movement for a long time.

00:15:00.480 And some pro-lifers get timid about this, too.

00:15:02.720 They don't want to use examples like this.

00:15:04.740 Because they say, yeah, but that's not, no, I don't want to paint with a broad brush.

00:15:08.140 That's not.

00:15:08.820 I mean, of course, yes, this is representative of the pro-abortion movement, what I just read to you.

00:15:13.520 And that's the real value of a forum, for us anyway, the value of a forum or a community like this, is that you see the pro-abortion movement without the mask, without the makeup, without the euphemisms and the sanitary language.

00:15:28.280 60 million babies have been killed in this country.

00:15:31.340 Okay, do you really think the abortion movement can administer a slaughter of that degree and can rack up that kind of body count without a lot of people in the movement feeling exactly this way about babies?

00:15:44.500 Of course, many of them feel this way about babies.

00:15:46.880 They're killing them.

00:15:48.340 That's often how you feel about things that you kill. 0.79

00:15:54.180 So I don't want to hear any nonsense about that.

00:15:56.200 This is extreme cases.

00:15:59.020 60 million.

00:16:01.340 Think of those CMP undercover tapes of Planned Parenthood officials, the Center for Medical Progress, Dave DeLydon.

00:16:10.840 Think about what we saw in those videos.

00:16:12.640 Remember how the Planned Parenthood officials talked about the babies they were killing.

00:16:19.280 They were laughing about it and joking about it.

00:16:22.560 This is normal for them.

00:16:24.340 It's not normal in the sense of good, like we tried to distinguish yesterday on the show with the different definitions of normal.

00:16:34.420 But normal in the sense of common in the pro-abortion movement, yes, this is common. 0.91

00:16:38.480 The abortion movement encourages, explicitly, women to see their babies as parasites. 0.95

00:16:47.980 Now, I'm not saying that every woman who gets an abortion feels this way or talks this way about the child that they're going to kill. 0.73

00:16:56.500 I'm saying that this is the attitude towards unborn children that the abortion movement purposefully inculcates. 0.98

00:17:03.880 If we're killing 60 million babies, it means that we're treating those babies like parasites. 0.99

00:17:14.720 And this is how people feel about parasites, and this is how you talk about them. 0.99

00:17:21.840 And by the way, as pro-lifers have been pointing out for a long time,

00:17:29.080 if this is the attitude that we're encouraging people to have about unborn children,

00:17:36.240 inevitably, they're also going to have that attitude about born children.

00:17:40.180 There's no difference at all between an infant, the post that I saw was a woman talking about her infant,

00:17:46.680 I think, of eight or nine months, talking about how much she hates the baby.

00:17:51.400 Well, there's no difference between an infant of eight or nine months and an infant in the womb.

00:17:56.820 There's no difference.

00:17:58.220 It's the same thing.

00:17:59.340 It's literally the same person, right? 0.90

00:18:02.300 So if we are encouraging women and mothers to see their own children as parasites and cancers in the womb,

00:18:13.780 it's not that hard to see how that feeling for some women might carry over after the birth.

00:18:26.660 It's not going to suddenly just go away.

00:18:28.780 In fact, it probably will probably be exacerbated by, you know, the fact that infants are really difficult to take care of.

00:18:41.880 I mean, we've had four of them.

00:18:43.160 We had two at the same time.

00:18:44.560 So, you know, we know what it's like.

00:18:46.500 It's not easy to have an infant.

00:18:49.720 Takes a lot of hard work and a lot of sacrifice.

00:18:51.660 And in this self-centered culture, this self-obsessed culture,

00:18:57.160 where on top of it, babies are literally treated like parasites and murdered to the tune of 60 million in the span of just a few decades,

00:19:08.380 with all of those factors coming together, it's not hard to see

00:19:12.680 how eventually that's going to bleed over into a hatred of and resentment towards children, born children as well.

00:19:27.200 And I think we're seeing that.

00:19:31.260 And I am not, I am worried about where this heads.

00:19:37.500 You go to that, these child-free people, how do you think, you think they would have any problem with infanticide?

00:19:47.580 We have to stop treating this like some crazy, dystopian, you know, hypothetical.

00:19:55.860 There are many cultures in the world that have had legalized infanticide.

00:20:03.600 And all of the arguments for abortion would apply just as much to infanticide.

00:20:07.960 And if you have that kind of hatred for unborn children, then again, you're going to have that kind of hatred for infants too.

00:20:13.320 There's no reason not to.

00:20:14.200 It's the same person.

00:20:18.060 And these child-free people, I mean, if you were to ask them, you think they have any problem with the way they talk about,

00:20:22.380 they call them goblins, not just unborn children, but born children they refer to as goblins.

00:20:28.840 You think they would have any problem if it was legal to just kill a nine-month-old?

00:20:32.820 Do you think they'd have any problem with that?

00:20:33.940 No, they wouldn't.

00:20:39.660 So that's where we're, you know, I do believe that's where the left will take this if we don't stop them.

00:20:48.240 We've already heard it from Ralph Northam.

00:20:53.380 We've heard it, you know, increasingly.

00:20:56.740 All right.

00:20:58.680 Let's move on because it's hard to dwell on this for too long.

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00:21:53.920 Okay, I wanted to mention this.

00:21:55.980 If you remember, we talked about a few days ago, Stephen King was on the verge of cancellation for having the gall to suggest that maybe awards like, you know, Oscars should be given out based on merit and based on the quality of the work and not based on diversity quotas.

00:22:15.040 Here's what he said, actually, a few days ago.

00:22:16.620 So he said, as a writer, I'm allowed to nominate in just three categories, best picture, best adapted screenplay, and best original screenplay.

00:22:26.360 For me, the diversity issue, as it applies to the individual actors and directors anyway, did not come up.

00:22:31.620 That said, I would never consider diversity in matters of art, only quality.

00:22:36.740 It seems to me that to do otherwise would be wrong.

00:22:40.860 Okay, and you just knew what was going to happen next.

00:22:42.760 Of course, the mob descends.

00:22:47.820 How dare you? 0.84

00:22:48.800 How dare you suggest that we award people based on the quality of their work and not based on their skin color or their genitalia? 0.96

00:22:56.340 How dare you?

00:22:57.020 How offensive?

00:22:58.340 And it only took what?

00:22:59.540 It took, well, it took less than a day for Stephen King to come back and start groveling.

00:23:07.900 And then he said, only, you know, hours later, he said, the most important thing we can do as artists and creative people is make sure everyone has the same fair shot, regardless of sex, color, orientation.

00:23:20.160 Right now, such people are badly underrepresented and not only in the arts.

00:23:24.380 You can't win awards if you're shut out of the game.

00:23:26.480 So there's no apology.

00:23:30.080 It's just more he's pretending.

00:23:31.660 He's going to pretend that never happened.

00:23:34.340 And he's back on the script, groveling, bowing before the PC altar.

00:23:40.720 Now, first of all, of course, this is totally nonsense. 0.95

00:23:45.840 The idea that, you know, women, gay people, black people are underrepresented on TV or in movies. 0.97

00:23:57.640 Come on.

00:23:59.420 That's, that's, I don't, I don't see that as a, you're going to have to actually, rather than just asserting that, you're going to have to actually prove that.

00:24:07.840 If somebody wants to take the time to tabulate this, then go ahead and do it.

00:24:13.380 But I think if you, if you do that, what you're going to find is that actually it's probably about where it should be in terms of representation.

00:24:21.520 And, and it seems like, especially on TV, on network TV these days, I mean, pretty much every show has at least one gay character.

00:24:28.460 So probably there's over-representation where you consider, consider how many gay people are actually are in America in terms of percentages.

00:24:34.620 And then how often you have such characters on TV, it's at least going to be proportional, but probably I would think over.

00:24:44.660 There might, there might, there might even be some over-representation.

00:24:47.620 But in the end, it doesn't matter, of course.

00:24:51.500 The point of an award is to, is to give an award to the, to the, based on merit, based on quality, as Stephen King originally pointed out.

00:24:59.660 And also, you know, you've got storytellers who are telling the stories that they want to tell.

00:25:08.560 If you think that there should be more stories that feature women or gay people or whatever, then, then you tell that story. 0.87

00:25:17.900 You, I mean, what, what is the implication here?

00:25:19.680 I saw, um, there was someone, some, someone in media, I think, not just this one person, but there was a tweet that went semi-viral from a woman complaining about 1917.

00:25:33.500 And saying that, saying that, you know, I don't, I don't have a problem.

00:25:39.520 Uh, you know, I, I understand that, that in World War I, we're talking about trench warfare.

00:25:44.480 There weren't a lot of women down in the trenches. 1.00

00:25:46.420 And so this is going to be a movie about, about men.

00:25:49.200 But she said, I don't understand why we have to keep telling these stories.

00:25:53.040 Well, maybe we're telling these stories, if by these stories she means, like, war movies.

00:26:00.080 Because these are some of the most consequential moments in history.

00:26:04.440 And these are moments full of drama and heroism.

00:26:08.180 And so these are stories that speak to people and always have for thousands of years.

00:26:12.640 We've been telling stories about battles and battles that have been fought and wars that have been waged for that reason.

00:26:18.080 But besides which, what are you, what are you saying exactly?

00:26:25.780 Are you saying that, you know, Sam Mendes made that movie, which again is a great movie, if you haven't seen it.

00:26:31.400 Are you saying that he, he, he really wants to tell this story and it's an important story, but he shouldn't tell it in order to be fair to women?

00:26:40.540 Is that what you're implying?

00:26:46.260 Extrapolate on those thoughts a little bit.

00:26:48.080 What's your point?

00:26:52.000 This is a story, he's a storyteller.

00:26:54.100 This is a story that he thought was meaningful.

00:26:56.260 And he was right.

00:26:56.860 I think it's meaningful too.

00:26:57.680 I think most people do.

00:26:58.680 And so he told it.

00:27:01.760 Is that really the calculation that you want artists to make?

00:27:06.100 Should artists be making that calculation?

00:27:08.680 Is that good for art?

00:27:11.320 To have an artist who says to himself or herself,

00:27:13.920 this story, this story, this story is meaningful to me.

00:27:17.100 I really want to tell it.

00:27:19.100 Eh, but I'm not going to because I don't know.

00:27:21.320 There might be too many straight men in it.

00:27:22.780 Do you think that's good for art?

00:27:27.620 For artists to self-censor in that way?

00:27:31.380 Based on some notion of, some vague, arbitrary notion of fairness and demographic proportionality.

00:27:38.620 All right, let's go to emails.

00:27:44.640 MattWallShow at gmail.com.

00:27:46.280 MattWallShow at gmail.com's email address.

00:27:48.780 This is from Josh.

00:27:49.900 Says, hi, Matt.

00:27:51.340 I realize a lot of people get their news from social media.

00:27:54.240 Snapchat's prevailing news outlet is Daily Mail.

00:27:57.900 This was one of their big headlines on their snap.

00:28:01.500 He gives a link.

00:28:02.640 What do you think is the study credible?

00:28:05.300 The study Josh links to has the blaring headline.

00:28:08.680 Nearly 100% of U.S. women who got abortion say it was the right decision five years after undergoing the procedure.

00:28:14.620 Study finds.

00:28:15.300 Now, before we, so 100% of women, nearly 100% of women do not regret their abortion after five years, according to this study.

00:28:27.360 Before we even read anything about this study or consider it in any depth at all, we already know this can't be true.

00:28:36.660 It cannot be true.

00:28:39.220 You cannot possibly find 100% agreement among people on anything.

00:28:43.660 Even less can you find 100% of people who agree that they have no regrets about a particular thing.

00:28:49.920 Even less if it's something like abortion that we're talking about.

00:28:53.940 Now, even if I believed that abortion is good, I still wouldn't expect anything close to 100% of women to not regret doing it. 1.00

00:29:06.020 I wouldn't expect 100% of people who, I don't know, had omelets for breakfast this morning to not regret having the omelet.

00:29:12.780 People have regrets.

00:29:13.840 It's a normal human thing.

00:29:15.700 There's no way you're going to find nearly 100% agreement.

00:29:19.480 Or 100% of people who are confident and have no regrets about a particular choice.

00:29:23.860 No matter what the choice is.

00:29:26.260 But we understand that something like abortion, even if, again, even if you think it's fine, 0.89

00:29:31.600 you're wrong, but even if you think it's fine,

00:29:33.720 you must at least understand that it's a consequential, very emotional decision.

00:29:40.280 So there are going to be regrets.

00:29:42.960 This would be like if I claimed,

00:29:45.340 if I pulled up a study saying that nearly 100% of couples that get divorced don't regret it.

00:29:52.260 Now, even if you think that most divorces are justified and you don't see any problem with divorce,

00:30:01.120 you must also realize that it is the kind of thing that a large percentage of people tend to regret.

00:30:08.200 But it's that kind of thing.

00:30:12.800 So the same would be for abortion.

00:30:15.400 And then when you have, on top of that, of course,

00:30:18.820 as I have, I've talked to, personally talked to, or heard from,

00:30:22.860 a great, great, great many women who deeply and profoundly regret their abortions.

00:30:27.120 So we know those women exist. 1.00

00:30:31.000 You can easily talk to them.

00:30:34.780 Talk to anyone who works at a crisis pregnancy center or pregnancy resource center.

00:30:41.000 And most of these places have post-abortive counseling.

00:30:45.420 And ask them.

00:30:47.560 Okay, their post-abortive counseling sessions are not empty.

00:30:53.660 These women come in. 1.00

00:30:54.900 I don't think they're all lying.

00:30:57.120 By the way, if you showed me a study

00:31:02.260 saying that 100% of parents who have children don't regret it,

00:31:08.040 I would say BS to that, too.

00:31:11.020 100%?

00:31:13.440 No.

00:31:14.080 But I'm supposed to believe that 100% of women who kill their children don't regret it? 0.98

00:31:17.520 That's obviously absurd.

00:31:19.060 So I'm going into this with extreme skepticism.

00:31:22.500 But let's take a look at it.

00:31:24.020 Reading from the article, it says,

00:31:24.980 Deciding to terminate a pregnancy is certainly a difficult decision for most,

00:31:28.440 but the majority of women also report they believe they made the right decision immediately after aborting.

00:31:33.240 New University of California, San Francisco research

00:31:39.080 found that they almost universally feel the same way five years down the line,

00:31:44.380 further debunking notions that abortion harms women.

00:31:48.360 Which, by the way, that doesn't even follow.

00:31:50.320 Even if this was true, it would not at all prove that abortion doesn't harm women. 0.96

00:31:56.200 It's possible for a person to be harmed by something that they don't regret.

00:32:00.740 I think we could all come up with examples of stuff.

00:32:03.100 Having, so already this article is just a silly propaganda piece, but we'll continue.

00:32:14.080 Having negative emotions after, what for some is a difficult decision, a big deal in their lives,

00:32:18.820 experience some guilt and negative emotions.

00:32:21.200 I would be shocked if we didn't find that.

00:32:24.440 UCSF study co-author Dr. Corinne Rocca told Daily Mail,

00:32:27.860 Well, negative emotions are not something to legislate.

00:32:31.120 It's natural.

00:32:33.180 And her study published in Social Science and Medicine found that these emotions fade over time.

00:32:38.840 Added Dr. Rocca,

00:32:40.120 I think it's really encouraging to find that negative emotions go down over time.

00:32:43.800 She and her team conducted a total of 11 interviews with nearly 1,000 American women

00:32:47.160 who underwent abortions over the course of five years following their procedures.

00:32:51.500 At first, more than half of the women interviewed as part of the TURNAWAY study,

00:32:56.800 a data collection project designed to track the short and long-term effects of abortion,

00:33:00.640 of abortion on a woman's well-being,

00:33:03.900 had positive emotions a week after their procedures.

00:33:06.180 20% said they didn't feel much about the procedure,

00:33:08.480 while 17% said they had negative emotions about their abortions.

00:33:11.640 As their lives moved on post-abortion,

00:33:13.500 the number of women who had little or no feelings about their abortions increased significantly.

00:33:17.340 By the time it was five years out, just 6% had any vestigial negative feelings.

00:33:24.480 At the five-year mark, 99% of those women said that having the abortion had been the right decision for them.

00:33:32.760 Dr. Rocca also notes that there's a small proportion of people who regret any decision they make.

00:33:37.500 There's no part of me that wants to reduce the struggle of people who come to a place

00:33:40.660 where they wish they had made a different decision,

00:33:42.700 and I hope they get the counseling they need.

00:33:44.040 But it's misguided to then let that guide the overwhelming majority of people who seek this care.

00:33:49.480 Okay, so, big problems as expected.

00:33:53.300 First is that the author of the study, Dr. Rocca, is clearly biased.

00:33:59.120 It's obvious that she's pro-abortion. 0.56

00:34:01.600 That she wants women to not regret the abortion. 1.00

00:34:04.480 She has opinions about public policy.

00:34:06.640 She's commenting on legislation.

00:34:09.160 So this is not science.

00:34:11.160 This is advocacy.

00:34:11.980 Science cannot be partisan.

00:34:15.020 If you're doing real research, you can't go into it with your pom-poms out, rooting for one side.

00:34:20.780 If you do that, it negates the conclusions completely.

00:34:25.520 This kind of thing is an embarrassment.

00:34:27.900 But every study you see with these, I've talked about it plenty of times in the past,

00:34:31.780 these kinds of studies that get the blaring headlines and that are used by one side or the other to prove one point or the other,

00:34:40.080 when you actually read the studies, you find so often, it seems like in the majority of cases, to begin with,

00:34:46.520 these studies are conducted by partisans who are looking to prove a point.

00:34:51.280 And if that is how a study is conducted, it is useless.

00:34:55.600 You can learn nothing from it other than the fact that a lot of people don't know how to conduct actual scientific studies.

00:35:04.660 And then we get to the real kicker, which the Daily Mail article buries several paragraphs into the article.

00:35:12.460 Writing in the Catholic Medical Association's journal, anti-abortionist, anti-abortionist.

00:35:18.160 How do you like that?

00:35:18.960 Dr. David Reardon noted that less than a third of the 3,000 women who were offered the chance to make $50 by participating in the study

00:35:28.800 actually stuck with it, with more dropping out with each round of interviews.

00:35:34.000 As studies go, 1,000 participants isn't a huge number, even when it's controlled to be representative of the country, as the turn away study is.

00:35:41.180 So, there you go.

00:35:42.740 When you hear that, oh, by five years out, all the women say they don't regret the abortions, 1.00

00:35:48.040 that's because most of them have dropped out of the study, which, so they don't tell you that, right?

00:35:53.760 They don't tell you, Daily Mail knows that they have to include that information somewhere.

00:35:58.200 If they're going to, if this is going to be some semblance of an actual news article, you can't leave that out completely.

00:36:04.860 But what they do is, they give you the headline, they give you everything about the study,

00:36:09.720 and at the very bottom, they include the little tidbit that negates everything you just read.

00:36:14.960 But they know that most people aren't going to get down to that tidbit and aren't going to read it.

00:36:19.680 Most people will just see the headline and take that at face value.

00:36:24.020 And of the people who click it, most will probably read about one paragraph at most.

00:36:29.080 I mean, the average article online is read for about 20 seconds or something like that.

00:36:35.980 And so, the Daily Mail knows that.

00:36:38.620 And so, at the very bottom, it's kind of like there's an asterisk at the very bottom.

00:36:41.880 It says, by the way, nothing that you just read means anything.

00:36:46.620 Yeah.

00:36:47.420 The people who stick with it feel that way.

00:36:49.960 That's why they stuck with it.

00:36:52.140 But the majority have dropped out of the study.

00:36:54.780 Why did they drop out?

00:36:58.240 So, you have 1,000 people to only 1,000 people to begin with.

00:37:01.660 So, this cannot be a representative sample.

00:37:05.640 It's way too small, way too small to be a representative sample of the country or of post-abortive women at large.

00:37:13.500 So, this blaring headline makes a statement about what 100% of post-abortive women think. 1.00

00:37:20.900 And then you find out that, oh, they only talked to 1,000 of them.

00:37:23.480 And of that 1,000, most of them didn't finish the study.

00:37:31.420 Now, why might someone refuse to be a part of this study in the first place?

00:37:36.780 Why might they drop out in the middle?

00:37:39.680 Well, I can think of one big reason.

00:37:41.820 It might be because this was a traumatic experience and they don't want to talk about it.

00:37:45.340 So, of that chunk of people, the majority, who either didn't want to take the study or didn't finish it,

00:37:56.180 it's safe to speculate that a large number of them probably do regret their abortions.

00:38:03.040 And that's why they didn't want to take the study.

00:38:05.020 Or at least one of the reasons why. 0.97

00:38:06.200 So, this study is just completely bogus and pointless and useless.

00:38:19.080 But I did, you know, and I did, I went and checked on Google and, of course, the media's picked this up

00:38:24.460 and they're spreading it all around.

00:38:26.100 Oh, look at that.

00:38:27.200 No women regret their abortions. 1.00

00:38:29.020 What do you know?

00:38:30.900 I mean, we've been hearing from women for years who say they regret their abortions.

00:38:33.820 Turns out, according to this study, those women don't exist. 1.00

00:38:37.220 They're figments of our imagination.

00:38:41.360 This is from Jeremiah, says,

00:38:43.240 Matt, deadass love the show, bruh.

00:38:45.500 In all seriousness, I wanted to get your thoughts on this story.

00:38:49.560 Assuming she was really kicked out for the reason her family says, what do you think about it?

00:38:53.400 And then Jeremiah links to a story in the USA Today

00:38:55.740 about a girl who was supposedly kicked out of her Christian school for having a rainbow cake on her birthday.

00:39:03.820 Again, now we're back to the theme of skepticism.

00:39:07.300 You know, we go into this with skepticism.

00:39:08.600 That's the claim, anyway.

00:39:09.500 And I've seen this story on social media.

00:39:12.200 Maybe you've seen it.

00:39:12.840 The claim is she, well, I'll just read from USA Today.

00:39:16.580 I'll read a little bit of this.

00:39:17.520 It says,

00:39:17.640 Kimberly Alford told the Courier-Journal that until January 6th, her 15-year-old daughter had been a freshman at Whitefield Academy,

00:39:33.800 a private school that serves students in preschool through 12th grade.

00:39:37.680 That's when Alford said she received an email from Whitefield Academy's head of school, Bruce Jacobson,

00:39:46.620 explaining how her daughter was being expelled immediately due to a post on social media.

00:39:51.100 Alford had recently posted a photo on her Facebook page showing her daughter celebrating her birthday in late December

00:39:55.620 at a Texas Roadhouse restaurant.

00:39:57.240 In the photo, the girl is wearing a sweater featuring a rainbow design and sitting by a colorful rainbow-themed cake.

00:40:02.800 Okay, so, I wish people at some point would learn the lesson about not jumping to conclusions with things like this.

00:40:15.040 Obviously, if this girl was actually expelled for having a multicolored birthday cake in her own house 1.00

00:40:21.860 or at a restaurant in her own time with pictures posted to social media,

00:40:26.100 then that's totally insane, of course. 0.99

00:40:29.220 That's absolutely asinine and crazy and unjust. 0.99

00:40:32.800 If that's what happened. 0.99

00:40:34.000 I don't think anyone would defend it.

00:40:37.240 But that's part of the reason I'm skeptical about it.

00:40:41.280 You know, when there's a dispute between two people or two groups of people,

00:40:45.060 in this case, the daughter and the mom versus the school,

00:40:47.820 and the version of the story you get makes one side seem unquestionably in the right

00:40:55.560 and the other side seem absolutely crazy, like nobody could be on their side,

00:41:00.320 well, that's already a red flag that you're probably not getting the whole story.

00:41:06.040 Maybe you are.

00:41:07.060 Sometimes, you know, sometimes disputes between people are that simple.

00:41:11.380 There's a simple good guy and a simple bad guy.

00:41:13.540 Sometimes.

00:41:13.900 Most of the time, though, that's not the case.

00:41:18.380 Because people have a need to feel like they're in the right.

00:41:23.020 And so, at least the people in the school that made this decision,

00:41:28.040 they probably feel like they have to have some reason other than a rainbow cake.

00:41:33.800 I'm thinking if you talk to them, they probably would have more to say than just that.

00:41:40.060 Probably.

00:41:41.380 Stands to reason.

00:41:42.940 So, there should be a red flag and there's some skepticism.

00:41:45.100 We should think, well, you know, is that really the whole story?

00:41:48.360 If it is, crazy.

00:41:50.800 But is it?

00:41:52.520 Now, as it turns out, the school has indicated that there have been a series of what they call lifestyle violations.

00:41:57.420 From what I saw, the school won't confirm that this really was, that this rainbow cake was the last lifestyle straw that broke the camel's back, as it were.

00:42:10.040 So, we have to, you know, so we don't know.

00:42:14.760 We have to remember that schools are often at a disadvantage in cases like this because they can't talk openly about disciplinary issues involving students.

00:42:23.440 Whereas the student and the family can say whatever they want.

00:42:26.060 But legally, and for liability issues, the school is not as free to talk about it and justify the decision they made.

00:42:36.480 And that's, so that's, you know, they've got a hand tied behind the back in that case.

00:42:41.940 So, you know, I don't know, is the answer.

00:42:45.900 I have no idea.

00:42:49.480 I just think there's probably more to the story than this.

00:42:54.080 If there's not, okay, well, then this school should be totally ashamed of itself.

00:43:00.940 If there is, then we would have to know what the rest of the story is.

00:43:04.600 I do believe, as a general principle, private schools have a right to admit whoever they want and kick out whoever they want.

00:43:14.320 And especially if they have rules and they lay it out in the handbook and they say, these are our rules.

00:43:19.840 If you sign on to those rules, no matter what the rules are, if you sign on to them, then you sign on to them and it's up to you to follow them. 1.00

00:43:27.220 You can't sign on to the rules and then decide a few years later, oh, you know what, actually those rules are stupid. 0.99

00:43:32.820 I don't want to listen to them. 0.97

00:43:34.520 Oh, you can decide that, but then it's up to you to just leave the school and go somewhere else.

00:43:37.860 So that's a general feeling I have about controversies like this, especially when it comes to Christian schools who, you know, it's every once in a while we get these stories about, usually, though, it's a Christian school, you know, fires a teacher or something because they find out they're in a gay relationship or whatever it is.

00:43:55.660 But again, if that's part of the rule, if they're trying to maintain this certain identity and they believe it's important for everybody involved in the school to live according to and believe biblical teachings, which I think is reasonable for a Christian school to want that, just like I think it'd be reasonable for a Jewish school to want everyone there to be devout Jews and for a Muslim school to, you know, want a similar thing in respect to Islam.

00:44:24.520 I mean, that's reasonable to me.

00:44:28.700 Now, kicking someone out over a cake would not be reasonable.

00:44:32.700 If there's something in the handbook that says, you know, thou shalt not eat from a rainbow cake, I mean, that'd be a silly rule, but if you signed on to it, I guess it's up to you to follow it. 1.00

00:44:42.780 But I kind of doubt that that's the case.

00:44:46.800 And you know what?

00:44:48.160 We'll probably never know.

00:44:49.840 You and I, as outsiders who are not involved in this, who probably live states away from where it happened, don't know anybody involved, don't know the family, don't know the girl, don't know the school, for you and I, we'll probably never know who was in the right and who was in the wrong or what really happened or what the whole story is.

00:45:09.540 And that's okay, because we don't need to know.

00:45:14.520 And another of the problems with the internet is that there's no such thing as a local story anymore.

00:45:20.200 Everything is national news.

00:45:22.140 If it goes viral, if a small local little incident goes viral, now it's national news, and everybody's talking about it, and everybody's concerned with it.

00:45:33.860 And that's an issue because there are a lot of things that happen that are not really suited for national consumption.

00:45:41.500 They don't involve anybody else.

00:45:43.680 It's not relevant to us.

00:45:45.300 There's no way that we could, you know, our contributions or our opinions cannot have any value whatsoever because we have no idea what's going on.

00:45:55.680 The issue is too remote, and it involves people and things that we don't know anything about.

00:46:05.260 But, you know, because we're all on social media, we think that we have to have an opinion about everything.

00:46:10.660 When sometimes maybe we should just say, yeah, I don't know.

00:46:13.220 I think that's an okay response.

00:46:16.880 I don't know.

00:46:18.340 I hope the people involved work it out.

00:46:20.420 I hope that the best result, you know, the best possible result is what happens.

00:46:24.380 That's what I hope.

00:46:25.020 I have nothing else to say.

00:46:28.540 All right.

00:46:29.120 Thanks for the email.

00:46:29.960 Again, the email address is mattwalshow at gmail.com, and we'll wrap it up there.

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00:47:30.560 Meanwhile, Vladimir Putin moves to consolidate power in yet another blow to representative government in Russia.

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The Matt Walsh Show - January 16, 2020

Ep. 406 - When The Pro Abortion Movement Takes Off The Mask

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