The Matt Walsh Show - January 22, 2020


Ep. 410 - AOC's Cartoon Version Of Reality


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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says that billionaires don't make anything, they just sit on their couches. Is this a gross oversimplification or something more nuanced than most socialists in the Democratic Party are willing to admit?

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00:00:00.000 Okay, great to see you all again. Thanks for being here. Thanks for coming back for another
00:00:04.200 round of this. I'm not sure why you do, but you do. So since you're here, let's have a
00:00:09.240 conversation. I want to begin today by talking about impeachment. Just kidding, of course. I
00:00:16.040 haven't really followed that story for about four weeks. So instead, I want to talk about
00:00:19.940 everyone's favorite socialist, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. She was speaking, being interviewed
00:00:27.480 for an MLK Day event on Monday and had a few things to say that have provoked conversation
00:00:33.880 and consternation. I want to go over what she said and my take on it might not be entirely
00:00:42.580 what you expect. There's a point I want to make about this, about her, about what she's
00:00:47.540 saying, about what all of the socialists in the Democrat Party are saying that maybe hopefully
00:00:52.820 is a little bit more nuanced than they're stupid and bad, which they might be. But I
00:00:59.420 want to go deeper than that and have a fuller conversation than that. So first, let's listen
00:01:05.660 to a clip of this. Here she is talking again, their favorite subject, of course, the evil,
00:01:11.500 terrible billionaires. Listen to this.
00:01:12.840 You sat on a couch while thousands of people were paid modern-day slave wages, and in some
00:01:24.060 cases real slave, real modern-day slavery, depending on where you are in terms of food
00:01:30.420 production. You made that money off the backs of undocumented people. You made that money off 1.00
00:01:38.040 of the backs of black and brown people being paid under a living wage. You made that money 1.00
00:01:44.260 off of the backs of single mothers. And all of these people who are literally dying because 0.90
00:01:51.840 they can't afford to live. And so no one ever makes a billion dollars. You take a billion dollars.
00:01:59.860 And I'm not here to villainize and to say billionaires are inherently morally corrupt. But
00:02:10.680 they are... Some disagree with me, clearly. I mean, I think there is a case. But it's not to say
00:02:23.840 that. It's to say that this system that we live in, life in capitalism, always ends in billionaires.
00:02:32.000 If you don't do it, someone else will.
00:02:35.460 Right. Yeah. She's not trying to villainize. She would never do that. Billionaires are useless, 0.96
00:02:41.800 lazy, thieving slave drivers that are killing people. But she's not trying to villainize. 1.00
00:02:49.100 And I don't mean to villainize. I mean, they're just... I would never villainize those slaving
00:02:54.780 scumbags. I would never do that. Never. No. So what we have here, as always, from AOC, is a gross
00:03:03.540 oversimplification. A cartoon that she is drawing for us. It's the same cartoon that Bernie Sanders
00:03:12.180 draws, that Elizabeth Warren draws, that all Democrats draw to some extent. This cartoon where you could
00:03:18.380 almost imagine in your head... You can imagine in your head the image that they have in their head,
00:03:24.600 which is of a billionaire with an evil grin, chomping on a cigar, big pot belly, holding a huge
00:03:35.340 bag of money with a dollar sign on it, and laughing maniacally as he watches his destitute, enslaved
00:03:42.420 employees dying on the factory floor. That's the image that they are painting. And that's what they
00:03:49.260 want us to take away from it. AOC says that billionaires sit on their couch and don't make
00:03:56.420 anything. They just sit on their couch. That's what she thinks billionaires do, sit on their couch all
00:04:02.400 day. Now, it's true that billionaires probably have nicer couches to sit on. So, you know, who wouldn't
00:04:09.860 love to sit on a billionaire's couch? But I'd wager that they spend less time sitting on the furniture
00:04:16.400 in their home than the average person. Far less. I would wager that the average billionaire spends a
00:04:22.940 lot less time sitting on his expensive couch than you spend sitting on your cheap one. Or that I spend
00:04:29.780 sitting on my cheap one. You don't become a billionaire by sitting on your couch. That's not how billionaires
00:04:35.720 are made. Despite what we are told by AOC and Sanders and others, that's not how you make a
00:04:43.720 billionaire. By just putting somebody, you don't just plunk somebody on the couch and, ooh, they're a
00:04:47.880 billionaire. Now, unless you were born into it, okay, if you inherited your billions, then fine. Yeah, you
00:04:53.940 could inherit it just by sitting on the couch. But Bill Gates didn't inherit his billions. Jeff Bezos
00:05:00.680 didn't inherit his billions. Elon Musk didn't inherit it. Mark Cuban didn't. Peter Thiel
00:05:06.000 didn't. Mark Zuckerberg didn't inherit billions of dollars. On and on. I mean, basically, any of the
00:05:15.280 actual billionaires that come to mind, any of the actual people who are billionaires that we know of
00:05:20.000 that come to mind when you say billionaire, those people, they didn't inherit the money. They did,
00:05:26.400 in fact, earn it. They all started off with far less than a billion dollars. Some of them had more
00:05:31.140 than others, but they started off with a lot less than a billion, and then they had a billion, and then
00:05:38.560 they had a lot more than that. How did they earn it? Well, most of the names I just mentioned
00:05:45.520 got there, got to the point of being a dreaded billionaire by founding or helping to found a
00:05:52.700 business that became very, very, very, very, very successful. And how do you get a business
00:05:59.840 to be that successful? By sitting on the couch? Really? By exploiting slave labor? No, that's not
00:06:10.740 it either. And I'm not denying, by the way, that there are corporations that do essentially exploit
00:06:15.760 slave labor, but that happens later. It doesn't begin that way. So how do you get there?
00:06:23.660 Well, it takes, for one thing, an insane amount of work. I mean, these guys have all, I would say,
00:06:30.140 worked longer hours, longer days, and endured more professional pressure than most of us will ever
00:06:36.520 experience. That's the fact. And this is what AOC's black and white cartoon version doesn't account
00:06:45.300 for, can't account for, can't admit. Those evil billionaires are extremely smart, extremely hardworking,
00:06:55.980 extremely innovative, and that's how they got where they are. She can't admit that. And her version
00:07:04.160 of the world can't account for that. It's not just circumstance, okay? Put the average person,
00:07:12.380 put me, let's say, in Elon Musk's circumstance, going back to the beginning from birth. Am I going
00:07:21.840 to make a billion dollars? You're taking me, you're putting him in his situation from birth. Do I get
00:07:28.140 to make a billion dollars? Probably not, because I don't have his mind or his work ethic, or any of the
00:07:35.140 other things that make him a unique person. Put me in Mark Zuckerberg's position from birth. Do I go on
00:07:43.080 to make billions and billions of dollars on a website? Probably not. As much as AOC says she doesn't want to 1.00
00:07:52.680 villainize, her whole worldview, her whole shtick depends on villainization. She cannot admit 1.00
00:08:01.100 that these people at all earn their money, or that they have any skills, any abilities,
00:08:07.300 certainly any virtues that the average person lacks. She says, you don't make a billion, you take
00:08:12.680 a billion. Well, that's a really catchy, nice little applause line. So if you say that in front of the
00:08:18.100 right audience, you're going to get an applause. But that's all it is, it's an applause line. If you
00:08:22.420 stop and think about it for a second, it just takes a second of thinking about it, and you say,
00:08:26.000 what the hell does that mean? Yes, it rhymes, and it sounds nice, but you don't make a billion,
00:08:31.520 you take a billion. What do you mean? What's the difference between those two things, and how exactly
00:08:37.440 did they do that? How did Bill Gates, I would say, made billions, but you say he took it. Well, how did he
00:08:43.560 take it? He had this idea of, you know, this, he presented to the marketplace a product, personal
00:08:50.540 computer, that a lot of people really liked and wanted to buy. And then he made a lot of money off
00:08:56.700 of it. Now, yes, that is a, that's a, that's a, that's a very whittled down version of, of that story,
00:09:04.020 but that's, at its essential ingredients, that's what it was. He had a product that a lot of people
00:09:09.800 really wanted, and they bought it, and he made a lot of money. You're saying he took it, he didn't
00:09:15.480 make it, so we, what, he forced the people to buy it? Here's a fact, if nobody wanted to buy a
00:09:20.920 Microsoft computer, uh, Bill Gates wouldn't be a billionaire. But they wanted to buy it, so he is.
00:09:28.220 So you'd have, to say that he didn't make it, he took it, you'd have to argue that he forced
00:09:31.980 people to? What he had, he put a gun to their head? Now, see, that's what the government can do.
00:09:39.140 See, everything she's saying about billionaires is actually true of the government. The government
00:09:46.580 doesn't make money, they take it. They take the money from you by force. If you don't give it to
00:09:54.820 them, they can put you in jail. Okay, that's what taking money looks like. And they don't have to do
00:10:00.180 anything for it, actually. In fact, there are a whole lot of bureaucrats in the government who 0.81
00:10:05.360 essentially just sit on a couch, really don't do anything. You could erase their job from existence,
00:10:10.380 and nobody would notice. Okay, if you erased Bill Gates from existence, starting back in the 80s,
00:10:19.540 uh, the whole, the whole history, things would look different. Things would look very different. We
00:10:24.280 would notice the difference. Not to mention an entire huge, uh, very influential and significant
00:10:32.000 company wouldn't exist, probably, without them. But so many positions in government, you erase those
00:10:40.080 positions, nobody would know. You continue your, your life, you would never know that, that, that
00:10:45.520 position doesn't exist. Entire departments of the government you could do away with, and nobody
00:10:51.280 would notice. Because they don't really do anything. That is something that is possible
00:10:59.160 in government. It is possible. I mean, talk to someone who works in government, or has worked
00:11:03.800 in government, and they'll tell you. It is possible to work in government, and really just do nothing.
00:11:10.820 It's not really possible if you're going to be a successful business person.
00:11:14.140 Uh, so it doesn't make any sense. You know, if, um, what AOC is, is left to claim,
00:11:26.020 she's left to make the really psychotic claim that anyone could have started a billion dollar 1.00
00:11:34.580 business in their garage like Bill Gates. Anyone could have done that in the right circumstance.
00:11:41.180 In fact, I guess she would say, we all did do it. Bill Gates didn't do it. He didn't make
00:11:48.400 Microsoft. That's not his. We all did it, somehow. He didn't do anything. He just sat on his couch.
00:11:55.400 We did it. Society did it. So we all own it, not him. That's her claim. And again, it's psychotic.
00:12:03.960 And not only that, but morally repugnant. Not just intellectually vacuous, but ethically and morally
00:12:12.140 repulsive on top of it. And it's also greedy. As much as she accuses others of greed and the
00:12:18.220 billionaires of greed, she is exhibiting it herself and engendering greed herself. 1.00
00:12:26.440 By encouraging people to look at a successful business person and people who did nothing to
00:12:35.020 contribute and say, that's mine. I deserve a piece of that. What the hell did you do for
00:12:41.100 Microsoft? You didn't do anything. You don't deserve any of that. You did absolutely nothing.
00:12:46.120 I did absolutely nothing to contribute to the success of Microsoft other than buying some of
00:12:51.120 their products. Which gives me a right to the product that I bought, but that's it.
00:12:58.660 So there's a lot of greed there as well. But with that said, here's the part. This is the point that
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00:15:09.640 they demonize billionaires and they paint a picture of the world that is disconnected from reality.
00:15:19.120 But a word of caution, I think, for conservatives. I think we make a mistake when we do nothing but
00:15:27.740 wave off and dismiss, and I see this too often, where we wave off and dismiss concerns about the
00:15:35.140 exploitation of workers and the plight of poor people who are essentially screwed by the
00:15:39.720 circumstances they're born into. We make a mistake when we act like anyone can just bootstrap their
00:15:47.020 way into the American dream. When we act like the free market is entirely free for everyone. When we
00:15:53.300 act like luck has nothing to do with it. And I think sometimes we are guilty of that kind of
00:16:00.500 simplification. The left has a simplistic, absurdly simplistic narrative where billionaires are evil
00:16:09.200 and we're all their slaves. Okay. Well, that's not true. There's no nuance there. There's no attempt
00:16:14.820 to understand. There's no thought put into it. And that's not good. But, and we can't have a
00:16:21.960 conversation that way. You know, the way that AOC opens the conversation about income inequality or
00:16:30.900 whatever we're talking about, it's just, there's, we can't, you've, you've begun by accusing all rich
00:16:37.940 people of being slave owners. And so where can we go from there? But we don't want to respond to that
00:16:45.160 with our own oversimplification. And this is what most debate in America these days consists of.
00:16:52.120 One side oversimplifies, demonizes, villainizes. The other side does the same in the other direction
00:16:57.500 and nothing is accomplished. Um, so what I notice on the right sometimes is an oversimplification where
00:17:04.720 we say, no, you know, the, um, the free market provides equal opportunity to everyone and nobody is
00:17:13.200 being exploited. And if you don't like your job, it's always as simple as just going and getting a
00:17:18.100 different job. There is this worship of the free market that you find sometimes this, um, unwillingness
00:17:24.660 to admit that there could be any problems at all with free market and capitalism and everything.
00:17:29.880 Um, uh, and, and, and this, um, unwillingness to admit that there are real moral and ethical concerns
00:17:39.800 when it comes to billionaires, um, living in luxury and, and, and buying five houses and yachts and
00:17:50.200 everything else. In other words, it's a mistake to allow the left to be the only ones talking about
00:17:57.100 the exploitation of workers, the only ones talking about greed, the only ones talking about the moral
00:18:03.220 implications of an uber wealthy person owning seven houses and three private jets and the rest of it.
00:18:09.800 When we react to their cartoon version of the world with our own, the effect is that first of all,
00:18:17.100 nobody's dealing with reality. And second, from a political perspective, um, we become the ones
00:18:23.560 defending billionaires while they're the ones defending the working class and the poor.
00:18:29.800 And that's how a lot of people see it. They think of the conservatives and Republicans as the ones who
00:18:36.180 are on the side of billionaires and Democrats on the one, the ones on the side of the working class.
00:18:39.800 That's, that's, that's been the impression for a long time that a lot of people have had.
00:18:45.680 And it's, um, it's, it's not good to put it mildly politically. Here's the way I look at it.
00:18:53.960 It's true that low wage workers are, are often exploited by these big corporations. It's true that
00:19:01.440 some of these corporations do essentially, especially the ones that, um, the ones that
00:19:09.080 outsource overseas do essentially use slave labor. It's true that lots of people are born into
00:19:16.660 situations where it's not as simple as just climbing the ladder. A kid, for example, born in
00:19:22.800 the inner city, no father, no role model, bad education, emotional turmoil, crime all over
00:19:29.220 the place. A kid like that, you know, he can't bootstrap his way to a billion dollars or a million
00:19:33.800 dollars. He has been born into a nearly impossible situation. One that you didn't have to deal with
00:19:41.560 and I didn't have to deal with. We have advantages. Yeah. Yes. Privileges that he doesn't have through
00:19:48.160 no fault of his own. That's true. And you could always point to some examples of people who are
00:19:53.540 born in dirt, poor poverty and managed to climb their way out of it and become extremely wealthy
00:19:59.980 and successful. There are examples of that, but for every example of that, I could give you a million
00:20:04.460 examples where it didn't work that way. Right. Um, it's, um, you know, you take someone like
00:20:15.680 Mark Zuckerberg. Okay. You take Mark Zuckerberg with his intelligence and creativity and ambition and all
00:20:25.280 of that. And you take him out of his, the circumstance that he was born into and you put him in, I mean,
00:20:33.740 if you take him out of that circumstance, is he going to be successful in any other circumstance
00:20:38.440 you put him in? Probably not. Now he'd probably be successful in a lot of circumstances.
00:20:44.960 Take him out of his circumstance, put him into mine. He'd probably be just as successful, even
00:20:49.600 though I, you know, I didn't, I wasn't born into a family as well off as his and I didn't have the
00:20:54.380 same educational opportunities and all that, but I'm not, you know, not that far off comparatively
00:21:00.240 speaking. So put him in my situation, probably be just as successful, but put him in the inner
00:21:08.100 city, put him in a trailer park with a meth addicted mother. Is he going to end up founding
00:21:17.260 Facebook and being worth $60 billion or whatever it is? Probably not. Maybe. I mean, there's a slim
00:21:23.380 chance, probably not. There's also a good chance he doesn't even survive to be as old as he is now,
00:21:31.800 if he's born in a situation like that. And I think we have to acknowledge that. It's like an,
00:21:39.980 it's an obvious thing, but it's, it's important to acknowledge it.
00:21:43.200 Um, it's also true that living in a 15 bedroom mansion with just yourself and your wife and, um,
00:21:53.660 and one kid and a dog and all your butlers and maids and having a fleet of luxury cars and two
00:22:00.880 private jets and a yacht, et cetera, that is greedy. That's materialistic. That's vain. That's
00:22:06.980 grotesque. That's, uh, immoral. You know, I admit I have times when I, and I've, I've been traveling
00:22:15.600 and I drive through a really, really, really wealthy neighborhood and with just mansions all
00:22:21.000 over the place. And one thing you think is, wow, these houses are awesome. And then, but then you
00:22:25.080 also think these houses are gross. I mean, who would live in this? You really, you, would you need
00:22:31.680 this castle to yourself with rooms you never even go in? So I, I've had that thought, right? I think
00:22:39.080 we all have. Um, and it, it, it is, uh, it is very hard to morally justify living in a house like that
00:22:49.060 with rooms you don't even use or see while there are people starving and living on the street and
00:22:55.400 freezing to death. That's going to be very difficult to morally justify. And if you're
00:23:01.660 a Christian, by the way, it's impossible and you just can't do it. Um, there's, there's no getting 1.00
00:23:09.100 around it. I mean, especially in the new Testament, it's, it's Jesus constantly talking about the,
00:23:14.180 the moral implications of being very wealthy and greedy. And, um, uh, so, you know, you really can't
00:23:22.180 get around it. Now it's true that Jesus isn't saying that no wealthy person can go to heaven or,
00:23:26.540 or, you know, the way that it's sometimes portrayed, but certainly, you know, it's hard
00:23:32.540 to imagine that Jesus would endorse somebody living in a 15 bedroom house.
00:23:39.400 So all of that is true, right? But it's also true that most wealthy people, most billionaires
00:23:46.080 worked extremely hard to get what they have. They have skills and abilities and a mental capacity
00:23:50.360 that most people don't possess. It's true that they earn their success. It wasn't merely given
00:23:56.000 to them by circumstance. Um, they, even if there are, there would, there could have been
00:24:04.120 circumstances where they could have not, that would have, that would have foreclosed their
00:24:07.740 opportunity to earn that success. That's not the same thing as saying that the circumstance
00:24:13.440 gave them the success. They did earn it. It's true that they employ lots of people. Um,
00:24:20.980 and, uh, sometimes they employ people who would not be employed. Otherwise you take Walmart,
00:24:26.100 for example, with Walmart greeters, you know, these are people who, if not for Walmart, probably
00:24:30.880 wouldn't be able to get a job anywhere. It's true that they, when they buy things like yachts to
00:24:35.960 satisfy their vanity, people are hired to make those yachts and staff them. And so there are jobs there.
00:24:41.320 And it's true that if you have $6 billion to throw around, you have a right to spend it however you
00:24:48.060 want within the bounds of the law. Even if it's greedy, you still have that right. It's also true
00:24:53.280 that coming up with some limit of the amount of money a person can make and the amount of things
00:24:59.940 they can buy and the material possessions they can have, that limit is going to be arbitrary. And
00:25:05.100 you're going to run up against the problem of who has the right or the authority to come up with
00:25:08.360 that limit. Who is the person who can put themselves above everybody and say, no, this is
00:25:12.640 the limit. Where are you coming up with that limit? Who says it should be there and not somewhere else.
00:25:17.200 And besides that limit will have to be enforced by the even more powerful and wealthier and,
00:25:22.000 and, and more wasteful and more morally ambiguous force called the state, the government. So you could
00:25:28.300 take money from billionaires for the sake of fairness, but all you've done is made the state wealthier
00:25:33.060 and the state has guns and armies and a power to put you in, in jail if they want to, and to take
00:25:41.560 away your rights. So it's true that Bill Gates is less of a threat to us. His power is less of a
00:25:48.060 threat to us than the state's power. All of these things are true, seems to me, but this picture that
00:25:55.560 I painted doesn't fit neatly into the narrative of either side, because I think the truth rarely does.
00:26:00.940 Um, but I think we need to acknowledge, I mean, this is the whole picture and decide where to go
00:26:09.020 from there. And, and, and once you've acknowledged that, then yeah, now there's a whole conversation
00:26:14.140 we had about policy and about everything, right? You haven't really settled any of the debates that
00:26:18.940 we're having, but at least you're starting from a place of reality where we aren't pretending that
00:26:28.660 billionaires are a bunch of, of, of villainous slave drivers who don't do anything. We're not doing
00:26:34.500 that, but we're also not pretending that the American dream is equally open to everyone and
00:26:40.280 your circumstance and luck has nothing to do with it and nobody's being exploited and, you know, all of
00:26:44.420 that. Um, we're in, we're in the realm of truth now and then we can go from there. All right. If you're a
00:26:54.260 regular listen, listener to the show, um, you've heard me talk, uh, many times of course about the pro-life
00:26:59.580 issue because it's the most important issue. It's the, it's the defining issue of our time. It's hard to come
00:27:06.260 to any other conclusion when you consider the fact that 60 million people have, have died since Roe v.
00:27:11.600 Wade. Um, it is the abortion is the number one cause of death in America. Um, it is the, you know, the abortion 0.93
00:27:19.620 industry has killed more people than any, uh, dictatorship or any tyrannical government ever
00:27:26.520 has in history. And so it's hard to come to any other conclusion that this is the most important
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00:27:45.700 who are being targeted by the pro-abortion left, uh, sometimes in very direct ways. You look at
00:27:52.420 what's happening to Dave Daleiden and center for medical progress, how they're being legally
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00:29:49.720 One other thing to mention before we get to do some emails, you know, when Jackie Robinson
00:29:56.140 broke the color barrier in 1947, he was subjected to racist jeers from fans, discrimination from some of
00:30:05.020 his teammates, his teammates, death threats, physical abuse. Um, I mean, there are many examples of that.
00:30:11.540 One example is in his first year on the Brooklyn Dodgers, a player from an opposing team intentionally
00:30:16.860 slid into him cleats first and put it in gashed his leg open just as a racist assault because he
00:30:22.820 didn't like the fact that Jackie Robinson was black. Um, now his willingness to endure that kind of 0.99
00:30:32.980 abuse and that sort of treatment and the heckles and the taunts and the death threats and everything
00:30:36.440 while blazing a trail for other black athletes that has led many people to consider him perhaps the
00:30:43.200 bravest athlete in, uh, in sports history, certainly in American sports history. But here's the news
00:30:50.560 that his reign has come to an end. He is no longer the bravest athlete in history. According to the gay 1.00
00:30:58.580 sports outlet, out sports, and yes, that's a thing. There's a gay, there's gay sports media. There's a
00:31:04.000 gay sports outlet. Um, out sports is what it's called. According to them, you know, forget about 1.00
00:31:10.840 Jackie Robinson. There's a new bravest athlete in American history. Sid Ziegler, uh, writing for
00:31:17.840 outsports.com has declared that the bravest athlete of all time, the sports figure who best embodies,
00:31:23.900 you know, the virtues of courage and heroism is a biological male who beat up a bunch of females in 0.98
00:31:30.220 MMA, the bravest. Ziegler gave the trans athlete Fallon Fox, the moniker of bravest athlete ever in a,
00:31:40.060 in a recent article. And I wrote a piece about it. You can find it on dailywire.com. And he explains that,
00:31:45.260 um, the professional woman beater is quote, an indelible part of LGBTQ sports history and has 0.98
00:31:51.820 open possibilities for trans athletes and women's sports that will be felt for generations.
00:31:56.500 Now, why that requires courage, much less the most courage of any athlete ever is not actually
00:32:04.880 explained in the article. It also isn't explained how it requires courage, uh, when a biological male
00:32:11.780 with his testosterone and his greater muscle mass and his denser bone structure fractures the skull of
00:32:17.000 a female opponent, which is what this Fallon Fox person did to one of the opponents that he
00:32:21.780 faced in the ring, left her lying on the mat, concussed and bleeding. Now one would think 0.70
00:32:28.080 that if there's any courage involved, it's all on the part of the woman who's willing to get into 0.75
00:32:34.240 the ring with a man and try her best. But no, what we're told by out sports is that no, it's more
00:32:42.600 courageous for a man to beat up a woman than it is for a woman to fight a man. That's what they're
00:32:48.880 saying. And we're also assured that it's okay, uh, for a male to physically brutalize a female
00:32:56.580 because, uh, you know, females sometimes brutalize each other. This is what Fox was interviewed for 0.58
00:33:01.380 this story. And this is the justification that he offered. He said, I'm not the first female MMA
00:33:07.420 fighter who's broken another fighter's bones. And people will, of course, because I'm trans hold it
00:33:12.480 up as this devastating thing that couldn't possibly happen if I weren't trans. But there are many
00:33:16.900 different examples of similar things happening. Now he's right. Of course, he's not the first female 0.97
00:33:23.580 fighter to break another fighter's bones, mostly because he's not a female fighter. So he can't be 1.00
00:33:28.800 the first female fighter to do anything because he's not one. But you notice again here, as I've been 0.99
00:33:36.560 pointing out for months, the, the arbitrary sex versus gender distinction has been completely
00:33:44.640 collapsed. He's not saying he's not, he's not identifying himself as, you know, a male fighter
00:33:51.040 who identifies as female. He's saying, I'm a female fighter. Female is a biological sex. 0.99
00:33:57.740 And that's what he's claiming. But don't count on Ziegler to grapple with that difficulty because,
00:34:04.980 of course, we're just supposed to dutifully applaud, accepting at face value, whatever
00:34:09.300 lame justification or explanation or excuse is put forward. He doesn't present actual arguments
00:34:18.220 at all in favor of allowing men like Fox to fight women because there are no arguments available to him.
00:34:25.220 There is just, there's literally nothing you could say. It is objectively wrong on every conceivable
00:34:30.780 level, morally, ethically, scientifically. There is nothing, there's not even the semblance of a
00:34:36.440 reasonable argument that you could make for allowing Fallon Fox into the ring to fight women.
00:34:44.780 The most that the other side of the debate can do is make vague emotional appeals,
00:34:49.760 hoping we'll forget that the women have emotions also. 1.00
00:34:55.420 And they probably don't feel too emotionally good
00:34:58.460 about being cheated and abused for the sake of
00:35:01.640 the LGBT agenda.
00:35:04.800 But their emotions are irrelevant, we're told.
00:35:08.160 Just as science is irrelevant,
00:35:10.180 fairness is irrelevant, all that matters
00:35:12.260 for some reason is how this
00:35:14.340 one guy feels.
00:35:16.620 It's never explained
00:35:17.740 why that should take precedence over everything else.
00:35:21.300 I mean, why should the feeling of one guy
00:35:23.080 take the precedent over,
00:35:24.580 you know, take precedence over
00:35:25.800 everyone else's feelings, let alone
00:35:28.060 science and truth and everything else?
00:35:30.940 Why should it?
00:35:32.580 Well, that's not explained.
00:35:33.440 It just, it just does.
00:35:35.400 What we're told by
00:35:36.560 the LGBT left is
00:35:39.060 it just does. That's it.
00:35:40.600 It just does.
00:35:41.220 And, you know, his insistence,
00:35:49.440 Fallon Fox's insistence on
00:35:50.900 doing what makes him feel good
00:35:52.900 at any cost,
00:35:55.400 just same for the man who
00:35:56.800 insists on barging into the female 0.99
00:35:58.940 locker room or bathroom,
00:36:01.640 their insistence on doing what makes
00:36:04.840 them feel good, what makes them feel comfortable
00:36:06.720 at any cost,
00:36:08.300 is admirable.
00:36:08.980 Not, not only admirable,
00:36:11.680 but heroic.
00:36:13.100 And not only heroic,
00:36:14.620 but the most heroic thing
00:36:16.280 anyone has ever done
00:36:17.740 or could ever do.
00:36:20.400 Heroic, courageous,
00:36:22.240 beautiful.
00:36:24.260 You see, this is,
00:36:24.840 this is the point here.
00:36:26.920 When you've got,
00:36:28.100 you know, an outlet,
00:36:30.260 a media outlet,
00:36:31.460 calling Fallon Fox,
00:36:33.940 the man who beats up women,
00:36:35.280 the most courageous athlete ever,
00:36:37.540 the point is,
00:36:40.300 you know,
00:36:40.460 that's not just,
00:36:41.960 that's not simply pointless hyperbole.
00:36:44.800 It is hyperbole.
00:36:46.380 It's several steps beyond hyperbole.
00:36:49.200 But there is a point to it.
00:36:51.640 And the point is to,
00:36:53.140 because they know they don't have any arguments,
00:36:55.340 they know they couldn't possibly justify this.
00:36:58.340 So instead,
00:37:00.260 it is overcompensation.
00:37:03.220 It is,
00:37:03.980 it is,
00:37:04.260 they hope that if they scream loud enough,
00:37:06.360 and if they use language that's hyperbolic enough,
00:37:11.040 that you will,
00:37:12.440 that we'll all be intimidated.
00:37:15.920 And keep silent for that reason.
00:37:19.500 Or we'll be so impressed
00:37:21.180 with how confident they are in their position,
00:37:24.700 that we'll figure they must be right.
00:37:29.800 You know,
00:37:30.360 we'll say,
00:37:31.240 oh, well,
00:37:31.820 I mean,
00:37:32.080 it doesn't make any sense to me,
00:37:33.260 but if he's saying that he's the bravest athlete ever,
00:37:35.800 then there must be some reason why he's saying that.
00:37:38.800 And I,
00:37:39.340 maybe I'm just too stupid to see it.
00:37:42.640 That's what they're hoping.
00:37:45.860 But,
00:37:46.280 we should not fall for that trick.
00:37:49.740 And I think,
00:37:50.980 fortunately,
00:37:51.200 at least on this issue,
00:37:52.380 when it comes to men and women's sports,
00:37:54.140 and men and women's bathrooms, 1.00
00:37:55.520 I think this is one issue where most people,
00:37:58.380 I think,
00:37:59.360 have woken up to it,
00:38:00.440 and aren't falling for it.
00:38:03.280 Which is great,
00:38:04.780 but now the next step is to stop this crap from actually happening.
00:38:09.300 Because if we all know that it's wrong,
00:38:11.560 and we're willing to say that it's wrong,
00:38:13.320 well,
00:38:13.480 now the next,
00:38:14.000 then the next question is,
00:38:15.100 why is it even happening?
00:38:18.360 All right,
00:38:18.820 let's go to emails.
00:38:19.520 MattWallShow at gmail.com,
00:38:21.200 MattWallShow at gmail.com.
00:38:25.280 Let's see here.
00:38:27.800 This is from Grant.
00:38:29.100 Says,
00:38:29.380 Hi,
00:38:29.640 Supreme Leader Matt.
00:38:30.840 I was hoping to seek some guidance from you.
00:38:33.660 I have recently learned that my girlfriend of five years
00:38:36.180 thinks Elvis Presley is better than Johnny Cash.
00:38:39.160 She has even gone so far as to say Johnny Cash is a bad singer.
00:38:42.800 I've been blindsided by this betrayal.
00:38:45.040 I'm not sure where she was brainwashed by this false indoctrination,
00:38:48.060 but I am currently working to right this wrong.
00:38:50.760 Would this type of false claim be punishable by death under your regime?
00:38:55.040 Thanks for any input.
00:38:56.320 Well,
00:38:56.560 Grant,
00:38:56.800 to answer your question,
00:38:57.380 of course it would be.
00:38:58.540 You know,
00:38:58.880 I think that Elvis Presley was obviously a very significant figure in American pop culture,
00:39:03.700 influential,
00:39:04.120 but who's sitting around?
00:39:06.900 Is your girlfriend really sitting around and listening to Elvis Presley songs? 0.96
00:39:10.580 Who's doing that?
00:39:12.280 Who,
00:39:12.560 who under the age of 70 is doing that?
00:39:15.200 I feel this way about a lot of Beatles stuff too.
00:39:18.220 I can,
00:39:18.820 I can appreciate the influence that it had,
00:39:21.820 for better or worse,
00:39:22.820 but on its own,
00:39:25.100 this stuff,
00:39:26.260 taking the historical significance aside,
00:39:28.840 pretend,
00:39:29.280 forget about that for a second.
00:39:32.200 Pretend that you just heard this stuff for the first time and it was,
00:39:35.060 you know,
00:39:35.320 it was not Elvis Presley or the Beatles,
00:39:37.720 it's some other band you never heard of.
00:39:40.460 And you hear one of these songs.
00:39:42.940 Are you going to think to yourself,
00:39:44.060 wow,
00:39:44.260 that's a great song.
00:39:45.360 That's an amazing,
00:39:46.400 great,
00:39:46.880 awesome song.
00:39:47.480 I don't think so.
00:39:50.900 I mean,
00:39:51.120 if you hear yellow submarine and you,
00:39:53.120 without any of the background,
00:39:54.840 it's not the Beatles,
00:39:55.760 it's just some other,
00:39:56.900 whatever.
00:39:58.560 Um,
00:39:59.300 and it was just recorded back last April.
00:40:04.040 Are you going to hear that song and think this is a work of genius?
00:40:07.380 This is genius.
00:40:09.120 Of course you're not.
00:40:09.980 You're going to say this is nonsense.
00:40:11.820 This is dumb nonsense.
00:40:15.920 Uh,
00:40:16.480 and,
00:40:16.960 uh,
00:40:17.200 so now Johnny Cash,
00:40:18.620 on the other hand,
00:40:19.720 his sound is still relevant today.
00:40:21.480 His,
00:40:21.640 his,
00:40:21.940 his songs have real meaning.
00:40:23.780 Uh,
00:40:24.220 his songs aren't about yellow submarines or for Presley,
00:40:27.080 his song,
00:40:27.540 you know,
00:40:28.280 just repeating a phrase over and over again,
00:40:30.460 like you ain't nothing but a hound dog.
00:40:33.360 Uh,
00:40:33.840 that's not Johnny Cash.
00:40:34.940 And again,
00:40:35.340 I mean,
00:40:36.000 if,
00:40:36.540 if you heard hound dog for the first time,
00:40:40.980 and it wasn't Elvis Presley,
00:40:42.420 it was Shmelvis Bresley,
00:40:44.620 let's say,
00:40:45.560 who recorded this song in 2016,
00:40:46.920 2016,
00:40:47.720 and you heard that song,
00:40:49.240 would you think this is,
00:40:50.840 this belongs,
00:40:51.660 this is,
00:40:52.020 whoever made this,
00:40:53.120 he belongs in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
00:40:57.020 No,
00:40:57.460 you wouldn't.
00:40:58.380 You would think this is one of the dumbest songs I've ever heard in my life.
00:41:01.720 But again,
00:41:04.140 Johnny Cash,
00:41:04.700 that's not the case.
00:41:05.220 If you heard a Johnny Cash song for the first time,
00:41:08.740 and it wasn't Johnny Cash,
00:41:10.020 it was somebody else,
00:41:11.600 with a lot of his stuff,
00:41:12.740 I'm not saying all of it,
00:41:13.540 but with a lot of it,
00:41:14.220 you would think this is a great song.
00:41:16.140 I mean,
00:41:16.320 this is a great songwriter.
00:41:19.620 I mean,
00:41:19.800 even something like,
00:41:20.900 one of my favorite Johnny Cash songs is A Boy Named Sue.
00:41:23.840 It's not a,
00:41:24.560 it's,
00:41:24.780 it's,
00:41:25.020 it's not a song with a lot of emotional depth,
00:41:28.200 but it's a storytelling song.
00:41:30.620 And he's telling a story and he's,
00:41:32.560 he's telling the story really well.
00:41:34.480 And,
00:41:34.920 and this,
00:41:35.440 it's,
00:41:35.560 it's the kind of thing that Elvis Presley,
00:41:38.040 the beat or the Beatles never could have,
00:41:39.920 they,
00:41:40.040 they couldn't have done that.
00:41:40.840 They couldn't have told a story like that through song in that way.
00:41:47.000 And yeah,
00:41:47.520 if you heard that song for the first time in the year 2020,
00:41:52.520 maybe it's,
00:41:53.640 maybe it's your cup of tea,
00:41:54.540 maybe it isn't,
00:41:55.560 but you would at least acknowledge that,
00:41:57.140 well,
00:41:57.380 this is a very talented songwriter that's been able to tell this story,
00:42:02.380 a very evocative story with a lot of imagery.
00:42:04.600 And,
00:42:04.720 you know,
00:42:04.860 I kind of,
00:42:05.460 I'm kind of into the story.
00:42:06.520 I want to see how it,
00:42:07.700 to be able to do that through song is,
00:42:09.500 is brilliant.
00:42:10.680 It takes a lot of talent.
00:42:11.660 And,
00:42:11.940 um,
00:42:13.440 so yeah,
00:42:14.020 your girlfriend is,
00:42:15.100 she's not just wrong,
00:42:16.340 but I'm afraid to say she is,
00:42:17.880 um,
00:42:18.960 it would seem a bad person.
00:42:22.340 And I think you should tell her that.
00:42:24.900 Don't tell her that.
00:42:25.780 I'm kidding.
00:42:27.140 This is from Zach says,
00:42:28.500 hi,
00:42:28.780 Matt.
00:42:29.920 Um,
00:42:30.200 this is a common debate where I work and would like your opinion on the matter.
00:42:33.160 The question is,
00:42:33.900 could anyone truly be selfless in a particular act?
00:42:37.380 Some argue that this is not possible because all of our decisions grant us some sort of favorable result.
00:42:43.700 For example,
00:42:44.500 a coworker of mine claimed to be selfless because he was taking time out of his schedule to coach a girl's softball team.
00:42:50.520 He claimed that volunteering his time and helping to buy equipment was a selfless act.
00:42:54.280 This was argued to be not selfless due to the fact that he could get some sort of satisfaction or a good feeling by coaching the team.
00:42:59.820 Others argued military service and first responders are selfless when they join up knowing they could be put in risky situations.
00:43:07.400 The argument my coworker makes against this is they have peace of mind and are gaining satisfaction knowing that they are saving somebody's life or protecting people.
00:43:16.580 He says they make this choice in the moment knowing the worst case result and therefore are not selfless in the situation.
00:43:22.020 To counter this,
00:43:23.240 I said that if I was in a car wreck and brain dead,
00:43:25.720 it would be selfless of me for my family to make the decision to harvest my organs for potentially life-saving surgery for someone else that is unknown.
00:43:32.920 I would have no knowledge of this going on while crashing and a person I do not know could potentially be saved by organ donation.
00:43:41.480 None of these arguments have convinced my coworker and I would like to know your opinion.
00:43:45.340 Well, Zach, if selfless means performing an act with absolutely no expectation of reward of any kind
00:43:56.320 and with no emotional or psychological benefit and with no boost to the self-esteem or self-image,
00:44:03.580 with no pleasure coming from it of any sort of any kind,
00:44:07.260 and an act which the performer of the act knows that after completing the act,
00:44:13.100 he will not enjoy the fruits of that act at all to any degree in any form.
00:44:19.140 It sounds like that's what your coworkers are saying.
00:44:20.920 Like, that's what a selfless act would have to be.
00:44:24.700 And they are arguing that such an act is impossible.
00:44:28.420 Nobody would ever do that or has ever done it.
00:44:30.440 And so there's no such thing as being selfless.
00:44:31.840 Well, I'm going to, I have some real qualms with that definition of selflessness.
00:44:40.000 But even by that definition, I mean, it is possible.
00:44:43.440 So I think, you know, I guess by that definition of selfless,
00:44:51.640 a selfless act would have to be something like an atheist jumping on a grenade to save his fellow soldiers.
00:45:00.380 Something like that.
00:45:02.580 Because in that case, that would be someone doing something for the benefit of others
00:45:06.140 while believing that he is not going to receive any reward at all for it.
00:45:12.140 And in fact, will be obliterated upon doing it.
00:45:15.180 So he is trading his obliteration and non-existence for the continued existence of other people. 0.98
00:45:22.040 And he's not going to be around to feel good about it, in his mind.
00:45:25.780 So, you know, I think that would qualify as a selfless act.
00:45:28.460 But, because of course the argument you can make is, well, if it's a Christian doing it, 0.88
00:45:36.940 they think they're going to go to heaven.
00:45:38.680 And so they believe there will be a reward.
00:45:41.540 And so is that really selfless?
00:45:43.320 So that's their argument, right?
00:45:44.300 So what I'm saying is by that, and maybe this is, maybe this is what they're trying to get at.
00:45:48.520 What they're trying to argue is that really it's only possible for an atheist to be selfless
00:45:52.100 because of the lack of an expectation of reward.
00:45:56.020 I don't agree with that.
00:45:57.760 I say a selfless act is, and even, you know, even, because even in that case,
00:46:02.840 even there you could argue, well, maybe they're doing it because in the moment they feel good about doing it.
00:46:08.000 And yeah, it'll be their last moment on earth, but there still is that reward at least.
00:46:12.460 So it's almost like in order to be selfless, what they're saying is you have to be almost like a,
00:46:19.380 you have to be a psychopath.
00:46:20.840 I guess you have to be a psychopath and an atheist. 1.00
00:46:24.820 Psychopathic atheists are the only selfless people by this definition.
00:46:28.280 Because you have to, in order to feel no reward at all for doing a good act,
00:46:32.380 you would have to not feel good about it, according to them.
00:46:35.320 Even the atheist jumping on the grenade for the two seconds before it blows up and blows them to smithereens, 0.83
00:46:41.800 he feels good about doing it.
00:46:44.180 So that's a reward.
00:46:45.240 So I guess that's not selfless either.
00:46:47.380 So we need to be someone who has no, who paradoxically has no concern for anybody else
00:46:52.180 and thus doesn't feel good about saving them, yet does it anyway with no expectation of reward.
00:46:59.620 So I guess a robot, really, in the end, is what you need.
00:47:04.220 I don't agree with that definition.
00:47:06.160 I think that a selfless act is one where you must overcome your immediate instinct
00:47:14.460 to pursue self-preservation or comfort or luxury or profit for yourself
00:47:18.600 in order to do something that will benefit someone else.
00:47:22.780 Now that, in my view, is selfless.
00:47:27.140 In that you have put yourself to the side, right?
00:47:30.400 It's not literally selfless because you still have yourself.
00:47:35.220 But, so, you know, you can't take the word absolutely literally.
00:47:40.560 But what it represents is, I think, the subordination of your own interests
00:47:44.380 in favor of some higher good.
00:47:47.040 I think that's selfless.
00:47:49.900 Not every word in the English language can be interpreted in an exactly literal sense.
00:47:54.420 In fact, many of them can.
00:47:56.140 In fact, language in general is symbolic.
00:47:58.940 Every word you say stands for something.
00:48:02.260 It symbolizes something.
00:48:04.260 And so I think that's what selflessness symbolizes.
00:48:08.800 But I would agree.
00:48:10.320 I think it is important to acknowledge that a lot of what masquerades as selflessness is not.
00:48:18.220 But, so, if you're, you know, if you're doing something that, yeah, you know at some level you will benefit from,
00:48:27.980 whether morally, spiritually, emotionally, yet you have to, as I said, overcome that selfish inclination
00:48:35.160 to go for the more immediate reward, a more immediate luxury or comfort, in that, you know, you have to overcome that for the greater good.
00:48:44.580 That's selfless.
00:48:45.540 But, if you're doing something that will benefit the greater good, seemingly, but really your only reason for doing it is to benefit yourself,
00:49:00.340 if that is, like, at the end of the day, the number one reason why you did it, and your only real motivation,
00:49:06.420 and, thus, helping someone else is a secondary to it, is more like happenstance, it's more incidental,
00:49:13.600 then that's not selflessness.
00:49:16.400 I think an example of this, okay, an example would be,
00:49:19.500 you see these people online who record these inspirational videos of themselves helping the homeless.
00:49:29.460 You see these videos sometimes, right?
00:49:30.760 Where somebody goes and does a generous act for a homeless person, and records it, records themselves doing it,
00:49:37.520 and then puts it online.
00:49:40.840 And I hate to be cynical, but I would say that is not a selfless act.
00:49:43.820 That's not a generous act.
00:49:45.880 Yeah, it's good for the homeless person, because they still were helped by it.
00:49:48.360 But the point of it, 100%, is just, look at me, look at this great thing I'm doing.
00:49:55.080 So the point is self-promotion, self-aggrandizement, elevating yourself, making people, flattering yourself, fishing for compliments.
00:50:06.060 That's the point.
00:50:07.740 The fact that somebody is being helped in the process is totally incidental.
00:50:12.020 So that, I would say, is a selfish act masquerading as selfless.
00:50:17.580 But not every selfless act is like that.
00:50:22.160 Talk about cynical.
00:50:23.140 That's one hell of a cynical way of looking at the world.
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