The Matt Walsh Show - January 30, 2020


Ep. 416 - Transgender Child Molester Awarded Get Out Of Jail Free Card


Episode Stats

Length

48 minutes

Words per Minute

161.3218

Word Count

7,772

Sentence Count

236

Misogynist Sentences

26

Hate Speech Sentences

11


Summary

A man who raped 15 children, including a one-year-old baby, is now getting out of prison because he claims to be a woman. This is really happening in the U.S. in the year 2020, and I want to get into the details of this case and then break down just how outrageous this really is.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Welcome to the show, everybody. We begin today with a story that is so incomprehensibly insane
00:00:05.040 that even the most cynical and jaded among you will have a hard time believing it. Me as the
00:00:10.540 most cynical and most jaded, I found it hard to believe. Somebody emailed the story to me. It's
00:00:16.080 the first I'd heard of it. And before I clicked the link, I thought, based on the description
00:00:20.460 and the email, I thought, well, there's got to be more to this. There's no way. No, no way.
00:00:25.240 Then I clicked the link and I find out, no, this is exactly it. The headline in the Des
00:00:29.720 Moines Register, convicted of sex crimes as a man, felon, no longer deemed threat because
00:00:36.840 of gender change. Translation, a man who raped 15 children, including a one-year-old baby,
00:00:45.160 is now getting out of prison because he claims to be a woman. This is really happening. This
00:00:51.220 is really happening in the United States in the year 2020. So I want to get into the details
00:00:56.820 of this case and then break down just how outrageous this really is. I know it seems
00:01:02.400 like there's no need to explain why it's outrageous because it's self-evident, it would
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00:03:52.700 Okay, let's get back to this situation. I've got to read to you basically this whole story of the
00:04:00.220 Des Moines Register as reported by Tom Cullen, the reporter, because I just, you need, I want to give
00:04:07.820 you all the details about this. All right. So the Iowa Attorney General's Office, this is the Des Moines
00:04:15.100 Register. The Iowa Attorney General's Office is no longer seeking the commitment of a former Midwest
00:04:19.900 Christian Services student convicted of myriad sex crimes because the individual now identifies
00:04:24.820 as a woman. Court records show the state dismissed the application on January 9th.
00:04:31.580 Attorney General spokesman Lynn Hicks wouldn't comment on the reason for the dismissal other
00:04:36.220 than to say an offender's hormone levels are an important part of substantiating an offender's
00:04:40.860 likelihood of recidivism. In November, the Storm Lake Times reported that Joseph Matthew Smith,
00:04:45.780 a 23-year-old convicted of molesting a fellow MCS student in 2014, was undergoing medical treatment
00:04:52.100 that is needed prior to potentially undergoing gender reassignment surgery. Smith has received
00:04:58.000 treatment for gender reassignment over the past two years at Newton Correctional Facility.
00:05:03.320 She first expressed, now I'm reading the article, so I'm going to be using the pronoun she to
00:05:08.820 describe this man, but every time I say she, in your head, put the scare quotes around it, okay?
00:05:14.880 She first expressed a desire to get started on transgender classification in October 2017
00:05:19.380 and started using female pronouns. Smith has expressed a preference to identify as Josie,
00:05:24.880 according to court documents. Hicks said that we don't believe we have evidence sufficient to prove
00:05:29.800 Josie Smith has a significant chance of re-offending. An Iowa Department of Corrections spokesman said
00:05:35.780 Smith was transferred on Saturday to the Sioux County or the Sioux City Residential Treatment Facility
00:05:40.600 for transitional release. Hicks cautioned the public not to overreact to Smith's upcoming release.
00:05:49.100 Smith will be subject to sex offender registration for the rest of her life, Hicks said, which includes
00:05:55.340 regular meetings with a probation officer and a listing on an attorney general clearinghouse. So don't
00:06:00.060 worry. Yes, he's a serial sex offender, but he's going to be on a list and he's going to have
00:06:06.400 meetings. So don't be concerned. Josie Smith, according to Hicks, says, we will be subject to
00:06:13.880 strict sex offender reporting required of those who commit the crime she did. She'll be subject to
00:06:18.640 supervision for the rest of her life. A preliminary report prepared by the state's expert, Dr. Jeffrey
00:06:26.160 Davis, says Smith molested as many as 15 victims, raging from ages 1 to 13, before being sentenced to
00:06:34.640 prison in December 2015. The report found the likelihood of reoffending within five years of
00:06:39.900 release exceeded 20% because victims were of both genders and because Smith was under the age 25 and
00:06:45.800 never had a long-term relationship. Smith has not had an intimate relationship, the report says.
00:06:52.940 His sexual encounters appeared to have primarily involved molestation, including his own molestation
00:06:57.740 by multiple perpetrators or his victimization of others. He was molested as a child starting at the age
00:07:03.020 of seven. Okay. And then it goes on from there. I'm seeing if there's any other details here that
00:07:11.500 are important. Dr. Tracy Thompson, Thomas, a forensic psychologist, said that the statute that
00:07:20.880 outlines civil commitment requires the state to essentially prove an offender has a chance
00:07:24.620 offending greater than 51% for the rest of his life. That becomes harder to prove when an offender
00:07:31.000 significantly lowers his testosterone levels, which has a significantly higher impact on sex drive
00:07:35.900 than estrogen. Okay. Where do we even begin? As I said, there are many layers of this putrid,
00:07:43.740 rancid onion. So in no particular order, let's start here. First of all, it's not even true that this man,
00:07:53.000 this man, this dude, this male individual, this male scumbag, I should say, it's not true that he's less
00:08:01.620 likely to re-offend because he transitioned to a female, quote unquote. That's simply not true.
00:08:08.100 In fact, they actually did a study on this, a legitimate study, the longest and most involved
00:08:16.280 study of its kind, as far as I know, where they, it involved 324 people over the course of 30 years.
00:08:23.960 And they looked at whether there was any change in several different things, but including criminality,
00:08:30.560 reduction in crime, including violent crimes for transgenders who transitioned from male to female.
00:08:36.320 And they found, no, they found that these male to females retain the same rate of violent crime
00:08:42.700 as regular males. Probably because they're still male at the end of the day. Second, even if it was
00:08:51.900 true, it's beside the point. Even if it was true that his chances of re-offending have now been
00:08:59.300 somewhat or even significantly diminished because he's on these hormone pills, that would still be
00:09:06.140 beside the point. It's irrelevant because we're missing something here. And it's a big thing.
00:09:12.440 And that thing is called justice. The point of prison is not simply to segregate dangerous people so
00:09:19.700 that when they're supposedly not dangerous anymore, we can release them. That's not the whole point.
00:09:27.140 That's part of the point. Segregation of dangerous people is part of the point of prison. It's not the
00:09:32.320 entire point. Not even close to the entire point. And it's not the main point. If it was, then why is
00:09:40.560 somebody like, I don't know, Bernie Madoff still in prison? He's probably not a danger to anybody
00:09:45.840 anymore. Is he still alive? I don't even, is he still alive? I'm not sure. But if he is, he's
00:09:51.660 probably not a danger to anybody anymore. Yeah, he scammed hundreds of people out of their life
00:09:55.820 savings, but probably he wouldn't be able to do it again after he's famous for doing it the first
00:10:02.260 time. And so release him from prison, put him on a scam artist registry. And then he can go about his
00:10:12.300 life. We could have a registry for everything. A murderer registry, car thief registry. No need
00:10:21.260 for prisons anymore. In fact, with murder, think about it just as a hypothetical example, but one that
00:10:26.580 has many analogous cases, think about someone, say a man in his fifties who murders his wife in a fit
00:10:33.720 of passion after finding out that she cheated on him. Okay. What are the chances that that guy will
00:10:41.780 kill somebody else? He's not a serial killer. He's not even necessarily a psychopath. Let's say he lived
00:10:47.600 the first 50 years of his life, never hurt anybody. So what are the chances that he does it again?
00:10:52.360 Probably less than, I would say significantly less than 50%.
00:10:58.840 So if you're letting this guy out of prison, why put people who murder others in a crime of passion
00:11:05.900 in prison? Their risk of killing again is pretty low, probably. Well, that doesn't work.
00:11:17.740 Because for one thing, being on a registry, having your name on a database doesn't do a single damn
00:11:25.120 thing to prevent you from committing a crime. For another, it's not only about crime prevention,
00:11:31.880 it's about justice. Justice matters too, a lot. It matters a lot. So I don't care if you can look
00:11:37.360 into a crystal ball and tell me that this dude will never hurt another child again. You can't.
00:11:43.480 And if you did have a crystal ball telling you that, then I would say your crystal ball is defective
00:11:47.480 because he will do it again. Will. People who are serial child molesters, people who get into their
00:11:53.620 20s and, as the report says, have had many sexual interactions, but all of them are molestation,
00:12:02.100 whether to him or by him. People like that, they don't snap out of it.
00:12:09.720 And you let him out of prison in his early 20s, he's not going to spend the final 60 years of his
00:12:15.780 life or however long he lives on the straight and narrow. It's not going to happen.
00:12:23.080 Because we're dealing with someone who is sick and dangerous. This is a sick and dangerous person.
00:12:28.480 And sick and dangerous people don't magically suddenly stop being that.
00:12:32.900 But, again, regardless of that, justice. The man deserved to be punished for what he did
00:12:43.060 because that is justice. You molest a child, you molest a one-year-old, for God's sake.
00:12:51.440 Justice calls for you to be in prison forever, never to see the light of day again.
00:12:56.780 In fact, justice calls for a short walk up the gallows and then an even shorter trip back down
00:13:03.780 with a rope around your neck. That's what it calls for. This guy shouldn't even be living anymore.
00:13:08.420 He should be executed. That's what we should be doing with serial child molesters.
00:13:14.800 I'm very much convinced of that. But, at a minimum, justice calls for permanent life incarceration.
00:13:26.780 There is no benefit to society, at all, to being lenient on child molesters.
00:13:38.800 Third point, this man was molested as a child. That's not an excuse for what he did.
00:13:46.640 But, my point is, he was molested as a child, and then he became a serial child molester,
00:13:54.120 and then he goes to jail. And then he decides he's really a woman.
00:14:00.440 Do you think that revelation was due to some deep insight this guy has about his interior self?
00:14:07.620 Do you think all of these details, the fact that he's a sexual degenerate who was abused as a child,
00:14:12.100 do you think that's irrelevant to the sudden identification as a woman?
00:14:16.580 Even if it's true that a man can really be a woman inside, whatever the hell that means,
00:14:22.960 even if that was true, which it isn't, but even if it was,
00:14:26.460 does any sane person think that that's the case for this particular guy?
00:14:31.260 Isn't it incredibly obvious that he is just a confused, sick, depraved human being,
00:14:39.040 and his desire to live as a woman is yet another one of his perverse fantasies?
00:14:42.960 Isn't that obvious to everybody with a brain?
00:14:47.540 Again, regardless of how you feel about transgenderism generally,
00:14:50.980 the reality in this specific case should be obvious to everybody.
00:14:54.640 And he gets to leave prison because he transitioned.
00:14:59.660 I'm sure that had nothing to do with it, right?
00:15:01.840 The fact that he gets to leave now because he transitioned.
00:15:05.840 Just like the guys who discover their inner femininity,
00:15:08.480 and then, what do you know, get to walk into a women's locker room,
00:15:11.080 but we're told, no, that's got nothing to do with it.
00:15:13.600 They would never be motivated. Nobody would ever be motivated by that.
00:15:17.200 So if you transition, you can get out of jail free,
00:15:20.160 you can go into women's locker rooms,
00:15:21.480 but no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that would never be anyone's motivation, ever.
00:15:25.560 No, no, no, it could never, ever happen. It's impossible.
00:15:29.940 Right.
00:15:32.020 Fourth point, and yet in spite of all this,
00:15:35.540 the person who wrote the article I just read,
00:15:39.180 and the officials interviewed in the article, at least one of the officials,
00:15:44.380 they all reverently use the pronouns that this sicko, this baby rapist, wants.
00:15:51.480 Why?
00:15:55.040 Do you actually think he's a woman?
00:15:58.140 Is that really what you think?
00:16:00.460 The guy who wrote this article, and is using the word she,
00:16:03.160 is that really, you think this guy's a woman?
00:16:05.500 Is that, you really believe that?
00:16:09.160 If not, why are you barking like a dog,
00:16:11.960 and using the language he demands?
00:16:13.800 Why are you barking on command?
00:16:15.900 On this guy's command?
00:16:17.800 He says, call me a woman.
00:16:19.060 Okay, then I will.
00:16:20.620 Why?
00:16:22.000 You can't even look at this guy and say, sorry, buddy.
00:16:25.660 No.
00:16:26.600 I don't care what you want.
00:16:28.420 Makes no difference to me.
00:16:31.520 But you don't want to hurt his feelings?
00:16:34.400 You don't want to hurt the feelings of a man who molested a child, multiple children.
00:16:38.040 That's your concern?
00:16:40.580 You're going to sacrifice truth.
00:16:42.760 You're going to sacrifice rationality.
00:16:44.660 You're going to sacrifice your dignity.
00:16:46.400 You're going to humiliate yourself, embarrass yourself,
00:16:48.700 and play along with this nonsense,
00:16:50.760 all simply to preserve the feelings of a child rapist?
00:16:53.480 Really?
00:16:56.660 How spineless can you be?
00:16:59.540 This is beyond spineless.
00:17:01.340 This is boneless.
00:17:03.560 You are now a gelatinous puddle of a person,
00:17:06.300 laying there, flaccid and helpless,
00:17:09.000 with no will of your own.
00:17:10.160 That you would actually debase yourself
00:17:15.500 by using this person's preferred pronouns.
00:17:19.940 Fifth point,
00:17:25.340 let's not allow the judicial malpractice involved
00:17:29.540 in releasing this man from prison
00:17:30.920 distract from the malpractice involved
00:17:33.380 in the fact that he was allowed to transition in prison
00:17:36.100 in the first place,
00:17:37.240 on the taxpayer's dime.
00:17:39.640 Remember what it said,
00:17:40.360 Smith has received treatment for gender reassignment
00:17:42.060 over the past two years at Newton Correctional Facility.
00:17:45.520 So this guy molests 15 kids,
00:17:48.380 goes to jail,
00:17:49.940 gets a free gender transition out of the bargain,
00:17:54.440 is now released again,
00:17:57.780 and here again we have the feelings,
00:18:00.460 the confused, deranged feelings of a pedophile
00:18:02.780 given absolute top billing,
00:18:05.160 top priority.
00:18:07.580 What is the argument
00:18:08.860 in favor of using tax money
00:18:11.760 to help this guy transition?
00:18:15.160 There's no argument other than
00:18:16.600 it would make him feel good,
00:18:18.060 and he would feel bad
00:18:19.860 if he couldn't do it.
00:18:21.820 That's the argument
00:18:22.840 that wins the day?
00:18:24.700 That outweighs everything else?
00:18:26.840 And once again,
00:18:30.500 why does he want to transition?
00:18:33.200 Is it because he's identified
00:18:34.860 some mysterious, mystical truth
00:18:36.760 about his inner self?
00:18:39.060 Or is it because
00:18:40.120 this is another one of his six sexual fantasies?
00:18:44.460 Which do you think?
00:18:45.580 We now have prisons
00:18:49.400 spending money,
00:18:50.940 tax money,
00:18:51.960 to help pedophiles
00:18:53.240 live out their fantasies
00:18:54.880 in prison.
00:18:57.040 What if he wanted to be a furry?
00:18:58.520 Would you go and get him
00:18:59.240 a dog costume?
00:19:01.300 What if he had a BDSM thing?
00:19:02.760 Would you build him a sex dungeon?
00:19:04.220 I mean,
00:19:04.440 how far does this go?
00:19:08.940 This is,
00:19:09.700 there are,
00:19:10.400 we are at a point
00:19:11.360 where literally no words
00:19:12.860 can adequately describe
00:19:15.160 how crazy things have gotten.
00:19:21.980 And maybe you have
00:19:22.960 the same feeling I do,
00:19:23.900 but every day,
00:19:24.760 I feel like
00:19:25.900 there's a small collection
00:19:29.680 of sane people
00:19:30.580 left in this country.
00:19:31.380 And every day,
00:19:33.540 another person
00:19:34.620 abandons
00:19:35.700 the sane tribe.
00:19:37.600 And I always feel
00:19:38.540 such betrayal
00:19:39.220 when they do it.
00:19:41.380 And one way I know
00:19:42.320 is that I see yet another person
00:19:43.640 who I thought was,
00:19:44.620 who I thought was rational
00:19:45.560 and had a little bit of,
00:19:46.640 of,
00:19:47.280 of a spine.
00:19:48.600 You know,
00:19:48.820 I see them talking about
00:19:50.200 a case like this
00:19:51.000 and saying the word she.
00:19:54.100 And every time I see that,
00:19:55.300 I think,
00:19:55.620 I think,
00:19:55.960 E2?
00:19:57.120 E2, Brute?
00:19:59.520 You're going to do it too?
00:20:01.180 Really?
00:20:03.860 I mean,
00:20:04.320 am I the only one
00:20:05.140 who sees how,
00:20:07.160 am I the only one
00:20:08.220 who can look at someone
00:20:09.080 like this and say,
00:20:09.660 I'm not,
00:20:09.900 I don't give a damn
00:20:10.860 what your preferred language is.
00:20:14.760 I'm going to say
00:20:15.460 what the reality is.
00:20:16.580 I don't care about
00:20:17.480 the fantasy world
00:20:18.300 you're living in.
00:20:19.020 You cannot force me
00:20:26.500 to pretend
00:20:27.900 I don't understand reality.
00:20:30.240 It's not going to happen.
00:20:35.960 Sixth point.
00:20:37.440 The hormone pills
00:20:38.600 this guy has given
00:20:40.480 are supposedly so potent
00:20:42.400 that they're supposed
00:20:44.840 to have changed
00:20:45.640 a sex predator
00:20:46.620 into a non-predator.
00:20:48.660 They didn't,
00:20:49.560 as we stipulated,
00:20:50.420 they didn't.
00:20:51.100 And even if they did,
00:20:52.220 as we stipulated,
00:20:53.000 he should still be in jail.
00:20:54.280 But,
00:20:54.900 it is true in any case
00:20:56.520 that these hormone pills
00:20:58.120 are indeed
00:20:58.760 extremely potent.
00:21:00.240 And they do have
00:21:01.300 a profound lasting effect
00:21:02.780 on the people
00:21:03.260 who take them.
00:21:03.820 That is true.
00:21:05.160 No doubt about that.
00:21:07.560 So,
00:21:08.260 consider the fact
00:21:09.180 that these same pills,
00:21:12.920 the pill that is supposed
00:21:14.080 to have essentially
00:21:15.240 chemically castrated
00:21:16.480 this sex offender
00:21:17.480 in prison
00:21:18.020 and made it so
00:21:19.480 that he is neutered
00:21:20.780 and no longer
00:21:21.720 a danger to the public,
00:21:23.320 that same drug
00:21:25.980 is given to children.
00:21:29.700 Children.
00:21:31.560 Middle school kids
00:21:32.760 and younger
00:21:34.160 are given the same drug
00:21:36.120 this guy has.
00:21:37.260 The same drug
00:21:38.320 that is supposed
00:21:38.820 to have neutered
00:21:39.560 a serial
00:21:41.160 child molester.
00:21:43.520 That drug
00:21:44.880 we give
00:21:46.240 to actual children
00:21:47.560 because they're confused.
00:21:51.600 They're confused
00:21:52.460 about their gender
00:21:53.120 and so
00:21:54.020 we give them this drug.
00:21:57.460 I just,
00:21:58.840 I could go on
00:22:00.980 dissecting everything
00:22:02.480 that's wrong
00:22:02.980 with this story
00:22:03.880 and society
00:22:04.560 but you get the point.
00:22:07.140 And this is why
00:22:08.220 it's so important.
00:22:10.300 The few
00:22:11.320 remaining sane people,
00:22:13.400 if you're in,
00:22:14.540 you know,
00:22:14.880 if we're in the same club,
00:22:16.480 if we're in the same club,
00:22:18.520 you gotta,
00:22:19.440 you gotta stay with us.
00:22:20.740 It's really important.
00:22:21.900 Sanity.
00:22:22.520 That's what we need
00:22:23.060 in this country now.
00:22:24.120 Forget about everything else.
00:22:26.360 You know,
00:22:26.860 we're not at the point yet
00:22:27.620 where we can
00:22:28.160 have arguments
00:22:29.620 making a stand
00:22:31.920 for things like
00:22:32.800 patriotism
00:22:33.800 and,
00:22:34.340 I mean,
00:22:34.620 even morality.
00:22:35.640 We're not there yet.
00:22:37.660 We need to establish
00:22:38.700 basic sanity.
00:22:42.780 Basic rationality
00:22:44.160 and logic.
00:22:45.020 That's what,
00:22:45.660 what needs to be
00:22:46.940 defended first
00:22:47.840 before we can get
00:22:49.440 to anything else.
00:22:50.160 But this is where
00:22:55.300 it leads
00:22:55.640 and this is why
00:22:56.400 I emphasize
00:22:57.900 this issue so much
00:22:59.080 because it is a,
00:23:01.660 it is a war
00:23:03.180 over reality
00:23:04.080 itself.
00:23:05.620 That's what's at stake.
00:23:06.840 and when they insist
00:23:11.500 that you start
00:23:12.020 using certain,
00:23:13.260 you know,
00:23:13.680 language that isn't true
00:23:15.060 and those sorts of things,
00:23:16.120 what they're saying is
00:23:17.700 we demand
00:23:19.340 that you
00:23:19.880 abandon
00:23:20.980 reality.
00:23:24.340 That you put
00:23:25.300 feelings over truth.
00:23:26.820 That you put
00:23:27.480 our political agenda,
00:23:28.760 this is the left,
00:23:30.020 you know,
00:23:30.480 you put our political
00:23:31.700 agenda
00:23:32.220 over truth
00:23:33.560 and reality.
00:23:34.140 and for some reason
00:23:38.540 every day
00:23:40.380 more and more people
00:23:41.980 find themselves
00:23:42.960 persuaded somehow
00:23:44.420 by that argument.
00:23:45.580 All right.
00:23:50.520 Let's,
00:23:52.020 I think we'll go
00:23:53.060 right to emails
00:23:53.860 because I had a few
00:23:56.940 other stories
00:23:57.540 but they're all
00:23:58.260 in the same vein
00:24:00.100 of outrageous things
00:24:01.500 that make me angry
00:24:02.220 but I think maybe
00:24:03.200 just this one
00:24:03.980 for the day
00:24:04.420 will be enough
00:24:05.020 so that I don't have
00:24:06.600 an aneurysm
00:24:07.780 on camera
00:24:08.400 which would be
00:24:11.520 interesting
00:24:11.940 for the viewer
00:24:12.780 I admit
00:24:13.660 but I'd prefer,
00:24:15.040 I'd prefer not.
00:24:15.800 So we'll go to emails
00:24:16.580 mattwalshow
00:24:17.300 at gmail.com
00:24:18.320 mattwalshow
00:24:18.880 at gmail.com
00:24:19.780 Before we get
00:24:20.580 there though
00:24:21.500 you know
00:24:22.060 we've been telling you
00:24:22.800 about the pro-life fight
00:24:24.960 and what the Daily Wire
00:24:28.000 has been doing
00:24:28.500 and you know
00:24:29.160 obviously you know
00:24:30.160 that for me
00:24:32.040 on this show
00:24:33.260 the struggle
00:24:35.940 to defend
00:24:36.700 unborn life
00:24:37.600 is the most
00:24:38.280 important thing.
00:24:39.580 60 million children
00:24:40.500 killed since Roe v. Wade
00:24:41.820 and that's why
00:24:42.900 this is the number
00:24:43.800 one civil rights issue
00:24:44.780 of our time
00:24:45.560 the number one
00:24:46.000 human rights issue
00:24:46.820 of our time
00:24:47.340 one of the most
00:24:47.720 important human rights
00:24:48.460 issues of all time
00:24:50.020 but we also know
00:24:51.900 that the left
00:24:52.560 has been
00:24:53.160 has been
00:24:55.440 has been
00:24:56.340 increasingly
00:24:56.900 going off
00:24:58.540 the deep end
00:24:59.200 getting more extreme
00:25:00.500 in their defense
00:25:01.620 of child murder
00:25:02.560 and part of that
00:25:03.720 effort
00:25:04.100 is also to censor
00:25:05.340 and shut down
00:25:06.040 those of us
00:25:07.620 who stand
00:25:08.720 for life
00:25:10.080 and you know
00:25:11.920 to defend
00:25:12.560 those who can't
00:25:13.360 defend themselves
00:25:14.020 and so they've been
00:25:15.120 going after the Daily Wire
00:25:16.140 we know that
00:25:16.880 you know
00:25:17.620 when Ben Shapiro
00:25:18.160 spoke at the
00:25:18.660 March for Life
00:25:19.200 last year
00:25:19.760 our advertisers
00:25:20.800 were targeted
00:25:21.360 by left wing
00:25:22.420 media watchdogs
00:25:23.560 we lost revenue
00:25:24.860 there
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00:25:27.000 but we're not
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00:26:20.420 all right
00:26:22.200 let's go
00:26:22.680 to emails
00:26:23.260 this is from
00:26:24.680 Brandon
00:26:25.120 says
00:26:25.400 dear Matt
00:26:25.920 first I must
00:26:26.780 say you appear
00:26:27.380 to have good
00:26:27.820 taste in most
00:26:28.500 things drink
00:26:29.200 entertainment
00:26:29.700 books and so
00:26:30.360 on but I find
00:26:31.400 it always falls
00:26:31.920 short of what
00:26:32.420 is truly great
00:26:33.140 your affinity
00:26:33.760 for Christopher
00:26:34.320 Nolan and
00:26:34.880 whiskey choices
00:26:35.560 are just a few
00:26:36.180 examples
00:26:36.600 I know this
00:26:37.460 marks me for
00:26:38.240 immediate execution
00:26:39.060 upon your
00:26:39.540 ascension to
00:26:39.980 rightful rule
00:26:40.500 as theocratic
00:26:40.980 overlord but
00:26:41.860 hey you really
00:26:42.320 can't do
00:26:42.680 anything about
00:26:43.060 it right now
00:26:43.540 anyway
00:26:44.480 ever the glutton
00:26:45.560 for second best
00:26:46.280 I took your
00:26:46.840 advice and had
00:26:47.520 to listen to
00:26:47.960 John Prine
00:26:48.960 the first song
00:26:49.780 I listened to
00:26:50.220 was hello in
00:26:50.860 there I found
00:26:51.780 myself blinking
00:26:52.420 back tears
00:26:53.060 perhaps it was
00:26:54.100 the fact that
00:26:54.580 I just found
00:26:55.220 out my first
00:26:55.660 child is going
00:26:56.120 to be a boy
00:26:56.540 or perhaps I
00:26:57.300 need to re-evaluate
00:26:58.120 your status as
00:26:58.880 picker of second
00:26:59.600 best things
00:27:00.160 either way thank
00:27:01.120 you for the
00:27:01.400 suggestion
00:27:01.740 Brandon
00:27:02.860 I am because
00:27:05.700 I'm so merciful
00:27:06.440 I'm going to
00:27:07.240 overlook all of
00:27:08.260 those vicious
00:27:09.440 insults you
00:27:10.140 leveled at me
00:27:10.800 and simply say
00:27:12.880 you're welcome
00:27:13.380 for pointing you
00:27:14.120 in the direction
00:27:14.700 of good music
00:27:15.720 and also for
00:27:17.320 the record
00:27:17.800 because I don't
00:27:18.860 like being
00:27:19.200 slandered
00:27:19.700 I don't know
00:27:21.460 where you get
00:27:21.800 this my affinity
00:27:22.480 for Christopher
00:27:23.060 Nolan thing
00:27:23.720 I think I
00:27:24.860 my position
00:27:26.000 has been that
00:27:26.700 I think Christopher
00:27:27.240 Nolan
00:27:27.540 many of his
00:27:29.020 films are
00:27:29.380 overrated
00:27:29.940 I think he's
00:27:30.900 a good director
00:27:31.600 good filmmaker
00:27:32.480 but you might be
00:27:33.960 confusing me with
00:27:34.660 Ben Shapiro
00:27:35.680 he's a Christopher
00:27:36.300 Nolan guy
00:27:36.800 I'm not really
00:27:37.720 I'm kind of
00:27:38.440 I'm lukewarm
00:27:40.020 on Nolan
00:27:40.460 for the record
00:27:41.340 this is from
00:27:42.920 Mark says
00:27:43.360 hey Matt
00:27:43.700 you posted on
00:27:44.260 Twitter about
00:27:44.740 spanking kids
00:27:45.560 and I wanted to
00:27:46.560 answer that
00:27:47.340 I posted a
00:27:48.380 Twitter poll
00:27:49.040 for people
00:27:49.620 if they
00:27:50.520 is spanking
00:27:52.580 a child
00:27:53.080 is that an
00:27:53.760 ethical and
00:27:54.560 effective form
00:27:55.220 of punishment
00:27:56.300 it's been
00:27:56.540 interesting
00:27:56.840 about 30,000
00:27:57.760 people have
00:27:58.220 responded to
00:27:58.720 the poll
00:27:59.060 and last I
00:28:00.380 checked it
00:28:00.760 was about
00:28:01.160 I don't know
00:28:01.880 75-25 in
00:28:03.060 favor of
00:28:04.440 spanking kids
00:28:05.400 back to Mark
00:28:07.900 he says
00:28:08.260 I find that
00:28:09.160 he says
00:28:10.320 I want an
00:28:10.840 answer that
00:28:11.180 I spank
00:28:11.560 my kids
00:28:11.920 I find that
00:28:12.440 is an
00:28:12.740 extremely
00:28:13.060 effective
00:28:13.460 method
00:28:13.820 of raising
00:28:14.220 my kids
00:28:14.680 well
00:28:15.000 my kids
00:28:16.020 are usually
00:28:16.340 the most
00:28:16.640 well-behaved
00:28:17.220 kids in the
00:28:17.660 room
00:28:17.860 where other
00:28:18.520 parents and
00:28:19.280 people are
00:28:19.700 constantly commenting
00:28:20.420 on how well-behaved
00:28:21.120 my kids are
00:28:21.680 especially my
00:28:22.400 daughter
00:28:22.720 when I stopped
00:28:24.480 using spankings
00:28:25.720 for a time
00:28:26.440 my kids
00:28:26.840 behavior became
00:28:27.520 noticeably worse
00:28:28.220 so I resumed
00:28:28.880 there were a few
00:28:29.940 times when I
00:28:30.460 overheard her
00:28:30.880 talking to her
00:28:31.420 cousins
00:28:31.800 while they were
00:28:32.460 plotting to do
00:28:33.020 something mischievous
00:28:33.660 and she said
00:28:34.440 I'm not going to
00:28:35.040 do that because
00:28:35.560 I'll get a spanking
00:28:36.240 I think it's
00:28:37.580 important to do
00:28:38.000 spanking right
00:28:38.600 you shouldn't do
00:28:39.200 it in anger
00:28:39.680 you need to be
00:28:40.300 consistent
00:28:40.680 and you should
00:28:41.240 talk to your
00:28:41.660 kids about
00:28:42.000 what's going
00:28:42.440 on and why
00:28:42.840 it's happening
00:28:43.280 with my kids
00:28:44.140 I sit them
00:28:44.560 down
00:28:44.820 we talk about
00:28:45.340 the wrong
00:28:45.880 behavior they
00:28:46.420 did
00:28:46.700 the consequence
00:28:47.560 then we do
00:28:49.040 it
00:28:49.200 the spanking
00:28:49.960 then we talk
00:28:51.060 to them
00:28:51.420 about what
00:28:52.200 happened
00:28:52.520 while comforting
00:28:53.000 them
00:28:53.260 and finish
00:28:53.660 with a prayer
00:28:54.120 for strength
00:28:54.580 going forward
00:28:55.100 I'm not going
00:28:56.200 to say not
00:28:56.780 spanking is the
00:28:57.380 wrong choice
00:28:57.920 but I think
00:28:58.280 to say it
00:28:58.680 is wrong
00:28:59.080 to do it
00:28:59.560 is inappropriate
00:29:00.120 also when you
00:29:04.160 mention studies
00:29:04.800 the problem
00:29:05.200 with the studies
00:29:05.680 done on this
00:29:06.080 subject is that
00:29:06.720 there is no
00:29:07.120 causal relationship
00:29:08.040 between spanking
00:29:08.800 and negative
00:29:09.260 outcomes
00:29:09.680 the most
00:29:10.360 that can come
00:29:11.600 from it
00:29:12.020 is a correlation
00:29:12.860 Dr. Gershoff
00:29:14.620 says that all
00:29:15.900 of the studies
00:29:16.380 on physical
00:29:16.820 punishment
00:29:17.140 have some
00:29:17.500 shortcomings
00:29:17.980 quote
00:29:19.340 unfortunately
00:29:19.760 all research
00:29:20.360 on parent
00:29:20.780 discipline
00:29:21.120 is going
00:29:21.540 to be
00:29:21.880 correlational
00:29:23.040 because we
00:29:23.540 can't randomly
00:29:24.160 assign kids
00:29:24.840 to parents
00:29:25.300 for an
00:29:25.780 experiment
00:29:26.120 alright Mark
00:29:27.120 yeah it's
00:29:27.400 true that
00:29:27.720 studies on
00:29:28.120 the subject
00:29:28.380 are hard
00:29:28.760 to conduct
00:29:29.480 a real
00:29:30.200 study
00:29:30.620 a real
00:29:30.960 controlled
00:29:31.440 study
00:29:31.800 of something
00:29:32.040 like this
00:29:32.380 would have
00:29:33.180 to involve
00:29:33.700 not necessarily
00:29:35.640 randomly assigning
00:29:36.500 kids to parents
00:29:37.320 but randomly
00:29:38.480 assigning parents
00:29:39.500 to spank their
00:29:40.220 kids
00:29:40.540 you have to have
00:29:41.380 a group of
00:29:41.800 parents
00:29:42.180 and you say
00:29:43.180 okay this group
00:29:43.860 over here
00:29:44.220 you're going to
00:29:44.620 spank your kids
00:29:45.220 this group
00:29:45.920 you won't
00:29:46.440 and then
00:29:48.280 we'll check
00:29:48.620 back in 10
00:29:49.160 years and
00:29:49.560 see how
00:29:49.920 it's going
00:29:50.260 but that
00:29:52.780 would be
00:29:53.120 obviously
00:29:53.580 unethical
00:29:54.280 among all
00:29:55.040 the other
00:29:55.340 problems
00:29:55.780 with it
00:29:56.040 so that
00:29:56.740 hasn't been
00:29:57.160 done
00:29:57.300 so it's
00:29:57.520 a hard
00:29:57.800 thing
00:29:57.980 to study
00:29:58.380 and that's
00:29:59.800 why my
00:30:00.220 perspective
00:30:00.620 on it
00:30:00.920 doesn't
00:30:01.240 hinge
00:30:01.520 on studies
00:30:02.100 my point
00:30:03.520 in bringing
00:30:03.900 up the
00:30:04.260 studies
00:30:04.500 was just
00:30:04.880 to address
00:30:05.380 all the
00:30:05.760 people
00:30:06.120 who claim
00:30:07.620 that spanking
00:30:08.300 leads to
00:30:08.880 more disciplined
00:30:09.480 kids
00:30:10.020 and more
00:30:10.900 well behaved
00:30:11.520 kids
00:30:11.940 and I don't
00:30:12.860 think there's
00:30:13.180 any empirical
00:30:13.700 evidence for
00:30:14.260 that
00:30:14.480 there aren't
00:30:16.200 any studies
00:30:16.620 as you
00:30:16.960 point out
00:30:17.400 I don't
00:30:19.240 think there's
00:30:19.460 any evidence
00:30:19.960 and although
00:30:22.280 studies of
00:30:22.860 this are
00:30:23.120 hard to
00:30:23.500 conduct
00:30:23.880 and aren't
00:30:24.280 conclusive
00:30:24.720 you can
00:30:25.420 still look
00:30:26.440 at various
00:30:26.980 factors
00:30:27.520 and broadly
00:30:28.580 compare
00:30:29.340 spanked
00:30:30.660 kids
00:30:31.040 to non
00:30:31.760 spanked
00:30:32.380 and that's
00:30:34.000 been done
00:30:34.680 and I
00:30:37.100 don't think
00:30:37.520 the spanking
00:30:38.220 leads to
00:30:38.800 better behaved
00:30:39.240 kids
00:30:39.520 theory
00:30:39.840 has been
00:30:40.560 supported
00:30:42.020 by any
00:30:43.260 of the
00:30:43.600 studies
00:30:43.940 or any
00:30:44.760 of the
00:30:44.960 research
00:30:45.320 that I
00:30:45.800 have
00:30:46.180 looked
00:30:46.380 at
00:30:46.580 my
00:30:48.600 issue
00:30:49.000 and I
00:30:49.940 think we've
00:30:50.260 talked about
00:30:50.560 this before
00:30:50.940 but my
00:30:51.280 issue with
00:30:51.660 spanking
00:30:52.000 is multifaceted
00:30:53.380 number one
00:30:54.020 there's a
00:30:54.880 real do as
00:30:55.640 I say
00:30:55.960 not as I
00:30:56.440 do element
00:30:56.980 to this
00:30:57.400 I tell my
00:30:59.200 kids all
00:30:59.800 the time
00:31:00.120 use your
00:31:01.420 words
00:31:01.840 don't hit
00:31:03.000 I'm constantly
00:31:03.900 telling them
00:31:04.320 that
00:31:04.580 and then
00:31:06.120 but I'm
00:31:06.940 going to
00:31:07.120 turn around
00:31:07.480 and hit
00:31:07.760 them
00:31:08.060 I can
00:31:10.680 insist all
00:31:11.560 I want
00:31:11.920 that no
00:31:12.200 it's different
00:31:12.740 it's not
00:31:13.440 the same
00:31:14.040 blah blah
00:31:14.420 blah
00:31:14.640 but a hit
00:31:15.540 is a hit
00:31:16.120 and I
00:31:18.220 think I
00:31:18.500 undermine
00:31:18.880 my own
00:31:19.300 authority
00:31:19.700 and my
00:31:20.220 message as
00:31:20.680 a parent
00:31:21.000 when I
00:31:21.380 do the
00:31:21.780 thing I'm
00:31:22.100 telling them
00:31:22.420 not to do
00:31:22.840 that doesn't
00:31:23.560 mean that
00:31:23.900 everything I
00:31:24.520 do a kid
00:31:25.460 should be
00:31:25.740 allowed to
00:31:26.120 do
00:31:26.360 but if
00:31:28.960 I'm
00:31:29.380 saying that
00:31:31.200 something sort
00:31:31.900 of in
00:31:32.300 principle is
00:31:33.080 wrong
00:31:33.500 and I
00:31:35.040 have if I
00:31:35.440 have this
00:31:35.720 consistent
00:31:36.260 message of
00:31:36.960 don't do
00:31:37.380 this don't
00:31:37.860 do this
00:31:38.120 do that
00:31:38.480 then I
00:31:39.020 shouldn't be
00:31:39.700 doing it
00:31:40.060 myself
00:31:40.460 I
00:31:42.220 can
00:31:42.680 think of
00:31:43.860 very few
00:31:44.240 exceptions to
00:31:44.800 that
00:31:45.000 another one
00:31:47.460 would be
00:31:47.860 yelling and
00:31:48.560 shouting
00:31:48.860 I tell my
00:31:50.520 kids all the
00:31:50.920 time don't
00:31:51.460 yell don't
00:31:51.900 shout
00:31:52.180 do I do
00:31:53.900 it myself
00:31:54.260 sometimes
00:31:54.720 yes
00:31:55.260 but I
00:31:56.380 also know
00:31:56.960 that I
00:31:57.840 shouldn't be
00:31:59.000 because I'm
00:31:59.680 the one
00:32:00.520 constantly telling
00:32:01.080 them not to
00:32:01.520 do it
00:32:01.780 if I do
00:32:02.800 it and I
00:32:03.240 tell them
00:32:03.500 not to
00:32:03.840 kids are
00:32:04.620 going to
00:32:04.880 make a
00:32:05.200 connection
00:32:05.520 it does
00:32:06.140 all
00:32:06.480 as I
00:32:06.820 said
00:32:06.940 all we
00:32:07.700 want
00:32:08.000 we can
00:32:08.360 say it's
00:32:08.900 different
00:32:09.240 blah blah
00:32:09.860 that's
00:32:10.780 not how
00:32:11.320 they
00:32:11.620 see it
00:32:12.400 number
00:32:16.540 two
00:32:16.960 I
00:32:18.020 think
00:32:18.280 spanking
00:32:19.040 may
00:32:19.340 kind of
00:32:19.920 reek
00:32:21.400 of
00:32:21.560 desperation
00:32:22.220 a
00:32:23.100 really
00:32:23.400 in
00:32:23.740 command
00:32:24.100 and
00:32:24.280 in
00:32:24.460 control
00:32:24.740 parent
00:32:25.180 should
00:32:25.940 be
00:32:26.080 able
00:32:26.220 to
00:32:26.340 instill
00:32:26.660 discipline
00:32:27.180 and keep
00:32:27.760 a handle
00:32:28.060 on things
00:32:28.380 without
00:32:28.620 resorting
00:32:29.040 to hitting
00:32:29.320 their
00:32:29.500 children
00:32:29.760 and
00:32:30.820 I
00:32:31.420 can't
00:32:31.660 remember
00:32:31.880 who said
00:32:32.180 if I
00:32:32.340 read
00:32:32.540 somewhere
00:32:32.920 somebody
00:32:33.300 drew
00:32:33.560 this
00:32:33.800 interesting
00:32:34.300 distinction
00:32:34.880 between
00:32:35.200 being
00:32:35.580 a
00:32:35.900 demanding
00:32:36.480 parent
00:32:37.060 and
00:32:37.660 being
00:32:37.900 a
00:32:38.180 commanding
00:32:38.820 parent
00:32:39.220 and the
00:32:41.060 distinction
00:32:41.380 is
00:32:41.780 anybody
00:32:42.740 can
00:32:43.080 demand
00:32:43.500 demand
00:32:44.360 is
00:32:44.720 your
00:32:45.660 insisting
00:32:48.320 and your
00:32:48.640 pleading
00:32:49.060 and maybe
00:32:49.980 even your
00:32:50.580 spanking
00:32:50.960 but you're
00:32:51.360 trying to
00:32:51.720 conjole
00:32:52.240 your kids
00:32:52.980 into doing
00:32:53.380 what you
00:32:53.720 want
00:32:54.040 that's
00:32:55.360 demanding
00:32:55.800 and we
00:32:56.280 all make
00:32:56.620 demands
00:32:56.960 as parents
00:32:57.440 but the
00:32:58.680 goal is
00:32:59.100 to be
00:32:59.400 commanding
00:32:59.980 to be
00:33:00.160 a commanding
00:33:00.740 presence
00:33:01.080 where they
00:33:02.900 listen because
00:33:03.800 they respect
00:33:04.340 you and
00:33:04.740 they listen
00:33:05.720 simply because
00:33:06.340 you're saying
00:33:06.860 it
00:33:07.120 and so
00:33:08.260 you have
00:33:08.520 command
00:33:09.120 over the
00:33:10.240 household
00:33:10.560 now nobody
00:33:11.260 can
00:33:11.820 complete that
00:33:13.680 task perfectly
00:33:14.620 obviously
00:33:15.560 but that's
00:33:16.840 the goal
00:33:17.360 and I
00:33:18.880 think that
00:33:19.420 spanking
00:33:20.060 tends to
00:33:20.900 lend more
00:33:21.340 towards the
00:33:21.900 demanding
00:33:22.460 parenting
00:33:23.360 style
00:33:23.820 than
00:33:24.300 commanding
00:33:25.000 and then
00:33:26.980 three I
00:33:27.360 think there
00:33:27.660 are real
00:33:27.940 ethical
00:33:28.260 concerns
00:33:28.820 with using
00:33:30.460 physical
00:33:30.860 force against
00:33:31.380 a child
00:33:31.740 with trying
00:33:33.040 to extract
00:33:33.740 good behavior
00:33:34.420 through physical
00:33:34.960 force and the
00:33:35.860 fear of
00:33:36.320 physical force
00:33:36.940 I know a lot
00:33:39.760 of people
00:33:40.060 grew up in
00:33:40.520 homes where
00:33:41.380 they feared
00:33:41.780 their dads
00:33:42.340 and they
00:33:43.120 behaved because
00:33:43.760 they were
00:33:44.020 afraid of
00:33:44.380 being smacked
00:33:45.040 and I know
00:33:46.300 a lot of
00:33:46.600 people defend
00:33:47.140 that saying
00:33:47.820 I turned
00:33:48.380 out okay
00:33:48.920 but whether
00:33:50.700 you actually
00:33:51.080 turned out
00:33:51.460 okay or
00:33:51.820 not I
00:33:52.800 still don't
00:33:53.260 think it's
00:33:53.520 the right
00:33:53.760 approach or
00:33:54.680 the right
00:33:54.940 relationship
00:33:55.400 you're supposed
00:33:55.740 to have
00:33:55.940 with your
00:33:56.140 child
00:33:56.500 think about
00:33:57.540 a child
00:33:58.840 it's a
00:33:59.280 very small
00:34:00.320 frail
00:34:01.320 helpless
00:34:02.700 creature
00:34:03.460 we're talking
00:34:04.200 about here
00:34:04.740 and I
00:34:12.420 don't know
00:34:12.780 imposing
00:34:14.000 yourself
00:34:14.500 physically
00:34:14.940 in that
00:34:15.600 way
00:34:15.980 using
00:34:16.660 physical
00:34:17.000 force
00:34:17.460 on a
00:34:18.140 small
00:34:18.700 child
00:34:19.260 as an
00:34:20.100 adult
00:34:20.440 I think
00:34:22.420 there should
00:34:23.040 be other
00:34:23.480 ways
00:34:23.880 and there
00:34:24.200 are other
00:34:24.600 ways
00:34:24.940 you should
00:34:29.860 be able
00:34:30.180 to outsmart
00:34:32.040 your child
00:34:32.500 and I
00:34:33.200 think when
00:34:33.420 you resort
00:34:33.780 to spanking
00:34:34.220 what you're
00:34:34.560 saying is
00:34:35.020 I got
00:34:35.480 nothing else
00:34:36.020 you've
00:34:38.020 beaten me
00:34:38.440 you've
00:34:38.760 beaten me
00:34:39.000 in the
00:34:39.180 psychological
00:34:39.580 game
00:34:39.980 and so
00:34:41.480 now I'm
00:34:41.740 going to
00:34:41.880 beat you
00:34:42.320 and I
00:34:43.820 know
00:34:44.060 okay
00:34:44.840 I know
00:34:46.040 people are
00:34:46.500 going to
00:34:46.680 say there's
00:34:46.920 a difference
00:34:47.240 between beating
00:34:47.760 and spanking
00:34:48.240 I understand
00:34:50.300 that
00:34:50.720 but
00:34:51.140 it is still
00:34:52.900 you're
00:34:53.460 physically
00:34:53.900 hitting your
00:34:54.320 child
00:34:54.620 right
00:34:54.860 that is
00:34:55.520 what you're
00:34:55.780 doing
00:34:56.040 so I
00:34:59.780 understand
00:35:00.040 the distinction
00:35:00.480 maybe between
00:35:01.120 beating and
00:35:01.640 spanking
00:35:01.960 but sometimes
00:35:02.860 parents who
00:35:03.320 spank their
00:35:03.760 children
00:35:04.060 I think
00:35:04.360 they're in
00:35:04.540 a little
00:35:04.720 bit of
00:35:04.940 denial
00:35:05.280 they even
00:35:06.740 try to draw
00:35:07.200 distinctions
00:35:07.620 between
00:35:07.960 hitting a
00:35:08.620 child
00:35:08.860 and spanking
00:35:09.340 no you
00:35:09.960 are hitting
00:35:10.400 you are
00:35:10.720 dictionary
00:35:11.380 definition
00:35:11.880 that's
00:35:12.100 hitting
00:35:12.260 you are
00:35:12.540 hitting
00:35:12.800 the child
00:35:13.400 to get
00:35:14.200 the child
00:35:14.580 to behave
00:35:15.020 and when
00:35:16.040 you put
00:35:16.480 it like
00:35:16.820 that
00:35:17.080 it sounds
00:35:17.740 kind of
00:35:19.340 awful
00:35:19.880 and but
00:35:20.620 that's the
00:35:22.200 correct way
00:35:22.740 of putting it
00:35:23.200 because that is
00:35:23.740 what you're
00:35:24.080 doing
00:35:24.400 right
00:35:24.720 and I
00:35:29.200 going back
00:35:30.060 to I
00:35:30.320 think
00:35:30.840 I think
00:35:32.420 there are
00:35:32.980 things we
00:35:35.440 do as
00:35:35.860 parents
00:35:36.300 spanking
00:35:37.120 maybe is
00:35:37.560 one of
00:35:37.780 them
00:35:37.960 where
00:35:39.060 people do
00:35:41.200 it
00:35:41.520 primarily
00:35:42.860 because their
00:35:43.820 parents did
00:35:44.320 it and their
00:35:44.940 parents did
00:35:45.380 it and their
00:35:45.640 parents did
00:35:46.060 it and it's
00:35:46.780 it's a sort
00:35:47.520 of a normal
00:35:48.000 thing for
00:35:48.400 parents to
00:35:48.800 do
00:35:48.960 I think
00:35:50.400 that's the
00:35:50.860 main reason
00:35:51.580 people do
00:35:52.100 it
00:35:52.320 not because
00:35:53.900 they've looked
00:35:54.240 at research
00:35:54.720 that convinced
00:35:55.200 them
00:35:55.440 not because
00:35:57.340 they've really
00:35:58.120 thought about
00:35:58.740 the ethical
00:35:59.100 implications of
00:35:59.860 it
00:36:00.040 I know there are
00:36:02.000 exceptions
00:36:02.260 maybe you have
00:36:02.960 but I think
00:36:03.380 for a lot
00:36:03.820 of parents
00:36:04.240 they do it
00:36:04.880 just because
00:36:05.220 it's what
00:36:05.480 their parents
00:36:05.860 did
00:36:06.100 and I'm
00:36:08.800 not saying
00:36:09.440 that this
00:36:10.240 generation of
00:36:10.920 parents that
00:36:11.520 we're all
00:36:11.920 better than
00:36:12.440 the previous
00:36:12.740 generations
00:36:13.240 but and I
00:36:15.900 know but the
00:36:16.500 problem is a
00:36:16.920 lot of people
00:36:17.300 will say
00:36:17.780 there seem to
00:36:19.520 think that
00:36:20.000 previous
00:36:20.380 generations of
00:36:21.000 parents were
00:36:21.360 so much
00:36:21.720 better than
00:36:22.080 us and so
00:36:22.520 we should
00:36:22.780 just do
00:36:23.060 what they
00:36:23.320 did and
00:36:24.380 there's this
00:36:24.740 idolization that
00:36:25.640 happens of the
00:36:26.340 previous old
00:36:27.020 you know the
00:36:27.680 old-fashioned
00:36:28.240 parenting
00:36:28.720 they got some
00:36:30.660 things right
00:36:31.140 that we get
00:36:32.700 wrong certainly
00:36:33.400 but they also
00:36:34.900 got some
00:36:35.440 things horribly
00:36:36.200 wrong as
00:36:36.820 well they
00:36:37.980 weren't perfect
00:36:38.500 parents and
00:36:39.160 they did have
00:36:39.980 some wrong
00:36:40.500 ideas about
00:36:41.040 parenting we
00:36:42.220 shouldn't idolize
00:36:42.840 that you
00:36:44.660 think even the
00:36:45.120 greatest generation
00:36:45.960 call them the
00:36:46.560 greatest generation
00:36:47.280 well they knew
00:36:48.380 how to parent
00:36:48.880 yeah but their
00:36:50.560 kids turned around
00:36:51.200 and started the
00:36:51.660 sexual revolution
00:36:52.400 so I'm not
00:36:53.840 putting the blame
00:36:54.320 entirely on them
00:36:55.360 but the evidence
00:36:56.860 that they were
00:36:57.460 wonderful awesome
00:36:58.480 parents isn't
00:36:59.940 there something
00:37:01.660 obviously went
00:37:02.500 really wrong with
00:37:04.400 your great parents
00:37:05.360 your so-called
00:37:06.200 great parenting
00:37:06.860 and then you
00:37:08.300 know next thing
00:37:09.040 you know your
00:37:09.300 kids are starting
00:37:09.800 woodstock
00:37:10.340 I think some
00:37:13.040 things went
00:37:13.380 wrong and when
00:37:14.760 you hear these
00:37:15.120 people talk about
00:37:15.820 oh my grandmother
00:37:16.540 used to pull out
00:37:17.200 the belt and
00:37:17.840 you know you
00:37:18.260 know they talk
00:37:20.360 about their
00:37:20.720 fathers or their
00:37:22.320 grandparents using
00:37:23.300 belts and weapons
00:37:24.960 and in anger
00:37:27.760 hitting them and
00:37:28.680 people talk about
00:37:29.580 it now almost
00:37:30.020 fondly with
00:37:30.800 nostalgia but what
00:37:33.540 what you're
00:37:33.680 describing is an
00:37:34.820 adult is an
00:37:36.180 out of control
00:37:37.180 enraged adult
00:37:38.480 using a weapon
00:37:39.820 against you as a
00:37:41.000 child that is
00:37:43.060 physical abuse
00:37:44.120 you are you are
00:37:47.620 you are fondly
00:37:48.680 recalling your own
00:37:49.840 abuse and then
00:37:52.840 claiming you turned
00:37:53.440 out fine I think
00:37:54.120 that's evidence that
00:37:54.720 you didn't turn out
00:37:55.460 fine and you know
00:38:00.720 back in the old
00:38:01.560 days especially
00:38:02.200 with fathers I
00:38:05.120 think there was
00:38:05.800 this wasn't the
00:38:07.040 case across the
00:38:07.700 board but the
00:38:08.220 general attitude
00:38:08.880 was fathers were
00:38:10.560 more emotionally
00:38:12.100 distant they were
00:38:13.720 authority figures
00:38:14.580 but that was kind
00:38:15.280 of it they were
00:38:16.600 more emotionally
00:38:17.220 distant they didn't
00:38:17.860 interact with the
00:38:18.440 kids as much there
00:38:20.500 wasn't as much
00:38:20.960 affection there
00:38:22.560 wasn't as much
00:38:23.040 playing with the
00:38:23.780 kid on their own
00:38:24.320 level as a father
00:38:25.180 and so you sort
00:38:28.720 of feared your
00:38:29.320 father as an
00:38:30.720 authority figure
00:38:31.420 but I think that's
00:38:33.340 wrong I think this
00:38:34.100 is one area where
00:38:35.260 in modern times we
00:38:36.460 have improved
00:38:37.120 we're a father now
00:38:38.240 with my own kids
00:38:38.860 you know I'm very
00:38:40.580 affectionate with my
00:38:41.240 kids I play with my
00:38:42.100 kids I don't want to
00:38:43.880 just be the authority
00:38:45.200 figure in the home
00:38:45.940 I want to be someone
00:38:47.360 a source of love and
00:38:48.840 affection as well I
00:38:50.060 want to be someone
00:38:50.540 that they feel safe
00:38:51.580 around I want to
00:38:52.620 feel to be someone
00:38:53.260 that they can relate
00:38:55.000 to and have a bond
00:38:55.960 with and talk I
00:38:56.800 want to be that
00:38:57.380 too I'm not saying
00:38:59.860 you can't do that
00:39:00.560 if you spank I'm
00:39:01.220 just saying that
00:39:03.260 there were some
00:39:04.100 that the the
00:39:06.000 philosophy of
00:39:07.920 parenting back in
00:39:08.860 the old days was
00:39:09.740 not entirely
00:39:10.820 correct there were
00:39:13.560 some problems with
00:39:14.440 it and I think
00:39:15.580 that spanking may
00:39:17.180 have been a part
00:39:17.740 of that so it's
00:39:21.060 just something we
00:39:21.540 should analyze and
00:39:23.640 think about
00:39:24.100 all right let's
00:39:26.780 go this is from
00:39:28.140 Aaron says dear
00:39:29.480 Matt oh one other
00:39:31.260 point about this I
00:39:31.860 wanted to make
00:39:32.300 maybe maybe I can
00:39:34.600 just sum it up here
00:39:35.360 maybe this is all I
00:39:35.900 needed to say rather
00:39:36.620 than rambling for 15
00:39:37.640 minutes most people
00:39:39.560 would say that hitting
00:39:40.520 a dog as punishment
00:39:42.560 is animal abuse
00:39:43.560 certainly hitting a
00:39:45.760 dog with a belt or
00:39:47.120 any kind of a rod
00:39:48.640 anything a spoon
00:39:50.860 whatever most people
00:39:52.780 would say especially
00:39:54.960 if you're using some
00:39:56.740 sort of tool hitting a
00:39:58.500 dog that's abuse if
00:40:00.200 there was a video of
00:40:01.940 a guy and I'm sure
00:40:03.660 there are videos like
00:40:04.300 this online there's a
00:40:05.520 video of a guy with a
00:40:06.980 belt whipping his dog
00:40:08.200 we would all say not
00:40:10.480 only is that animal
00:40:11.060 abuse but that animal
00:40:12.180 should be taken away
00:40:13.000 and that guy should go
00:40:13.940 to jail and yet it's
00:40:18.880 okay to hit a kid
00:40:19.900 are we really going to
00:40:22.280 say that there are
00:40:23.080 disciplinary methods
00:40:24.820 that are unethical to
00:40:25.940 use against animals but
00:40:27.020 are okay against young
00:40:27.980 children and I do think
00:40:32.700 there's a distinction
00:40:33.240 between say using a
00:40:34.320 belt and just using your
00:40:35.200 hand but there are
00:40:37.280 people that do the belt
00:40:37.940 too and there are people
00:40:40.960 at least who maybe
00:40:41.520 don't use the belt
00:40:42.120 themselves but will
00:40:42.820 excuse it you're
00:40:45.960 whipping a child and
00:40:49.700 again you if anyone
00:40:51.080 did that to a dog they
00:40:52.040 go to jail so I think
00:40:55.660 it goes the other way
00:40:56.180 around that there is
00:40:57.100 there is no ethical
00:40:59.260 form of punishment
00:41:00.000 against a child that I
00:41:00.880 can think of that would
00:41:03.160 be unethical against a
00:41:04.160 dog there are ethical
00:41:05.660 forms of punishments
00:41:06.420 for dogs that would be
00:41:08.500 unethical for children so
00:41:10.500 it does go the other way
00:41:11.360 like crating for
00:41:12.320 instance okay but if
00:41:14.880 you're doing something
00:41:15.460 to your kid that would
00:41:17.580 enrage you if you saw
00:41:18.840 someone do it to a
00:41:19.500 dog that should be a
00:41:21.820 red flag that's all I'll
00:41:23.400 say okay from Aaron
00:41:25.540 says dear Matt yesterday
00:41:26.420 you were criticizing people
00:41:27.440 who brought up Kobe
00:41:28.180 Bryant's rape accusation
00:41:29.300 for 2003 by pointing out
00:41:30.660 that he was never
00:41:31.160 convicted of anything so
00:41:32.400 it's unfair to speak with
00:41:33.280 confidence as if you know
00:41:34.300 for sure he's guilty you
00:41:35.740 even went so far as to
00:41:36.560 say that people were
00:41:37.160 slandering him for talking
00:41:38.200 about it last year you
00:41:39.720 said that Michael Jackson
00:41:40.840 was a child rapist
00:41:41.760 despite the fact that he
00:41:42.660 like Kobe has never been
00:41:43.980 convicted in a court of
00:41:44.820 law you even criticized
00:41:45.940 people who pointed this
00:41:46.860 out by stating that it's
00:41:48.440 too high of a standard to
00:41:49.540 say you won't believe
00:41:50.620 something negative about
00:41:51.500 someone unless they've
00:41:52.560 been convicted of it my
00:41:54.180 question then is which is
00:41:55.500 it why is it okay to call
00:41:56.940 Michael Jackson a rapist
00:41:58.020 but not Kobe when both
00:41:59.560 were never convicted and
00:42:00.880 yes and please don't say
00:42:02.700 we we don't call Kobe a
00:42:04.420 rapist out of respect for
00:42:05.280 the dead Michael Jackson's
00:42:06.540 been dead for 10 years and
00:42:07.460 that didn't stop you from
00:42:08.180 saying what you said
00:42:09.220 about him I think there's
00:42:11.700 a delineation here Aaron
00:42:12.820 fair point but I think
00:42:14.620 there's a delineation
00:42:15.300 first of all my primary
00:42:17.260 criticism of people who
00:42:18.160 brought the Kobe stuff is
00:42:19.440 that they did it literally
00:42:20.160 hours after he died and
00:42:22.380 there's no reason for
00:42:23.060 that the man died by the
00:42:24.860 way died along with his
00:42:25.780 daughter and eight or
00:42:26.840 seven other people and
00:42:29.580 there were there were
00:42:30.520 those who the first thing
00:42:31.960 they did the first thing
00:42:34.000 they said body still
00:42:35.780 smoldering in the wreck and
00:42:38.100 their first move is to
00:42:39.420 call him a rapist that's
00:42:43.660 obviously in bad taste to
00:42:45.920 say the least there's no
00:42:47.440 reason I'm not saying that
00:42:49.080 we can never talk about the
00:42:50.820 negative things of about
00:42:51.980 someone's life after they
00:42:53.240 die obviously that would be
00:42:54.680 absurd but you don't you
00:42:57.040 don't need to do it in this
00:42:58.160 case five minutes later
00:42:59.920 there's there's no reason
00:43:00.980 for it other than to get
00:43:03.020 attention and so that was my
00:43:04.620 primary beef but also Kobe
00:43:08.520 Bryant was accused one
00:43:10.040 time by one person wasn't
00:43:13.680 convicted the evidence
00:43:15.360 against him was not in my
00:43:16.580 opinion overwhelming I'm not
00:43:18.900 saying he's innocent I don't
00:43:19.900 know but I think based on
00:43:23.600 what we do know it's
00:43:24.880 unreasonable forget about the
00:43:26.980 timing for a minute even it's
00:43:28.580 unreasonable to think or to
00:43:31.340 speak with confidence and say
00:43:32.640 that he's guilty now for
00:43:35.540 Michael Jackson on the other
00:43:36.520 hand you've got a man who
00:43:39.180 was multiply accused of
00:43:40.640 child rape by multiple
00:43:43.100 children telling similar
00:43:45.460 stories there's bundles of
00:43:48.180 evidence against him eyewitness
00:43:50.540 and physical evidence and he
00:43:53.720 admits to having little boys
00:43:55.060 over to his house and even in
00:43:56.380 his bed for sleepovers as I
00:44:00.780 said before and I'll say it
00:44:01.640 again if you think a grown
00:44:03.680 man is inviting little boys
00:44:05.360 into his bed for innocent
00:44:06.780 reasons you are not smart and
00:44:11.360 if you still think it even after
00:44:13.780 those little boys tell you they
00:44:15.460 were raped you're a lot worse
00:44:18.420 than not smart and I would
00:44:22.240 contend there is not a single
00:44:23.760 person on earth who would insist on
00:44:27.000 Michael Jackson's innocence given
00:44:28.720 the evidence against him given
00:44:30.220 his own admission to having
00:44:31.600 sleepover parties with with with
00:44:33.440 with little boys we invited into
00:44:35.340 his bed given all the
00:44:37.340 accusations nobody on earth would
00:44:39.360 be insisting on his innocence if
00:44:40.980 they didn't if if if he wasn't a
00:44:42.740 famous pop star if he was just
00:44:45.440 Michael Mr. Michael Jackson down
00:44:47.260 the street works as a plumber or
00:44:49.120 works at the DMV or something and
00:44:50.860 all of these facts lined up against
00:44:52.480 him and you found out that he was
00:44:54.200 that he was having little boys from
00:44:55.440 the neighborhood over to his house
00:44:56.400 for sleepovers and then oh by the
00:44:59.720 way a few of them have even said
00:45:01.220 that they were raped there is no way
00:45:04.260 in hell you would be insisting that
00:45:06.320 he's innocent no way not one single
00:45:08.960 person would the only reason they're
00:45:11.320 doing with Michael Jackson is because
00:45:12.640 they like the way he dances and
00:45:14.020 sings and I find that just I find that
00:45:20.840 attitude to be really beneath with
00:45:22.700 contempt that you would give someone
00:45:28.760 the benefit of the doubt because you
00:45:31.620 like their songs that's not the case
00:45:36.420 with Kobe with Kobe Bryant I'm you know
00:45:38.100 I was never I was never a big Kobe
00:45:40.820 fan I wasn't I didn't dislike him I
00:45:43.920 just I didn't have much of an opinion
00:45:45.180 about it one way or another and so with
00:45:48.520 his rape case I'm not looking at it
00:45:50.120 like oh no you know my dear Kobe never
00:45:52.300 could have done that because I like
00:45:54.240 the way he plays basketball that's not
00:45:55.560 my approach I I looked at the case
00:45:57.700 back when it first was was in the news
00:46:00.380 back in 2003 or whenever it was I've
00:46:02.720 looked at it again this week and I just
00:46:06.260 think it's the only case against him he
00:46:09.100 wasn't convicted and there's there are
00:46:12.480 there are a lot of details in that case
00:46:14.740 that cast doubt such as just one of the
00:46:18.180 details by the way is that from from
00:46:21.400 what I read that when they did the you
00:46:25.080 know the rape kit on the on the accuser
00:46:27.360 they found other men's DNA as well not
00:46:31.200 just Kobe Bryant's so that alone right
00:46:35.220 there is is enough for reasonable doubt
00:46:37.380 all right but thank you for the the email
00:46:43.620 and we will wrap it up there thanks
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00:47:31.300 hey everyone it's Andrew Klavan host of the
00:47:33.760 Andrew Klavan show but we began this week
00:47:36.100 with a simple question how dumb does the
00:47:38.160 left think we are it's a pretty easy
00:47:40.040 question to answer they think we're
00:47:41.480 really dumb and racist too but here's a
00:47:43.780 much more difficult question a real
00:47:45.720 mystery why does the left think they're
00:47:47.940 smart we'll try and figure it out on the
00:47:50.400 Andrew Klavan show I'm Andrew Klavan
00:47:52.400 wrong you