The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 450 - When The Cure Is Worse Than The Disease

00:00:00.000 Today on the Matt Wall Show, as the economy teeters on the brink of collapse and many

00:00:04.340 Americans are already finding that they have to choose between paying their mortgage this

00:00:08.760 month and feeding their kids, some government officials are hinting that the shutdowns could

00:00:13.480 go on for weeks or months longer. Others, like President Trump, are suggesting that we should

00:00:18.440 get the economy going again soon. I think Trump is on the right path here, and I'd like to talk

00:00:22.820 about what opening up the economy again could look like and what steps we might take in order to

00:00:28.240 protect the vulnerable as we get back to our lives, which we need to start doing soon. Also,

00:00:33.480 five headlines, including Madonna's very insightful video that she shot from her bathtub. A lot of

00:00:39.140 people are making fun of it, but I thought it was quite poetic, and she offered some great insights

00:00:43.000 into the coronavirus. We turn to people like Madonna in times like this, and that's why I'm so happy

00:00:49.300 that all these famous people are making all these videos, because I wouldn't know what to think or

00:00:53.880 what to do without the famous people telling me. And in our daily cancellation, I cancel yet another

00:00:58.820 media outlet for maybe the most egregious, fear-mongering headline we have yet seen throughout

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00:02:51.380 question for any parents out there. Tell me if you're experiencing this. Maybe I just want to make

00:02:56.760 myself feel better, but maybe we're just extra lazy, my wife and I. But we have basically given up on

00:03:03.240 making sure that our kids get dressed into normal clothes throughout this quarantine. They haven't

00:03:09.120 left our house except to walk around, you know, outside for a week now or more. So my daughter at

00:03:17.180 this point has worn nothing but pajamas since last Wednesday. And both of my sons look like they got

00:03:23.560 drunk and raided a party city. So here's what my younger son was dressed in yesterday. Let me just

00:03:28.360 show you this. Um, we've got the T-Rex rain boots, superhero pajama pants, leather jacket,

00:03:33.680 and like a native American buckskin shirt and a plastic spoon that he says is his lightsaber.

00:03:41.300 Actually his lightsaber. It is dark Vader's lightsaber. According to my son, he can't be

00:03:46.880 convinced otherwise, by the way, that's how it's pronounced. That's all it is. I think he pulls it

00:03:50.520 off though. And this is why I get jealous of young kids that they can wear stuff like that. I wish I

00:03:54.340 could dress like that. If I could dress like that and get, would I get away with it? My wife would 1.00

00:03:58.200 allow it. I would dress like that every day, but he pulls it off. Um, now I did just, you know,

00:04:04.040 of course I did tell him that wearing that shirt is cultural appropriation. And I said, cultural

00:04:10.620 appropriation is violence to which he responded. Oh, okay. And then ran away humming the, uh, Darth Vader

00:04:17.640 theme to himself. So this is a kid who just is not frankly, is not very woke. Anyway, uh, president

00:04:24.460 Donald Trump is now signaling that he wants to end these lockdowns. Um, and at the conclusion of our

00:04:31.300 15 day quarantine period, which is up on Friday, I believe we still don't know exactly what his plan

00:04:38.420 would be, or if he'll still feel this way on Friday. So we don't know exactly. It's, it's still

00:04:43.180 somewhat vague, but last night he tweeted, we cannot let the cure be worse than the problem

00:04:47.160 itself. At the end of the 15 day period, we will make a decision as to which way we want to go.

00:04:52.640 Okay. The problem of course is that Trump doesn't have the power to tell individual governors in

00:04:57.700 other States to end their lockdowns. So we could be headed to one hell of a showdown between Trump

00:05:03.620 and state authorities across the country. Who knows how that's going to shake out. Meanwhile,

00:05:08.260 as expected, this, this tweet from Trump has provoked lots of panicky overblown responses as

00:05:14.640 literally every single tweet of his does this, especially though. Uh, and people are talking

00:05:19.580 about how Trump is going to kill your grandparents and so on and so forth. The governor of New York, 0.97

00:05:24.320 on the other hand, has implied that his state may remain locked down for months. He hasn't said that

00:05:30.280 exactly. No official has said that exactly. But, but as this has gone on, you have, you have more and

00:05:39.160 more of them with exception of Trump who seem to be indicating that, yeah, 15 days, probably not that

00:05:45.020 could be three weeks, four weeks, four months, who knows? Um, they, they, they at least are, are

00:05:51.880 indicating that the potential of a months long lockdown of millions of people is a possibility that

00:05:59.780 they're weighing. It's an option that they're considering. Uh, now that Cuomo, the governor of

00:06:04.920 New York also justified over the weekend, these draconian measures by saying, even if it saves one

00:06:11.320 life, it will be worth it. This is reminiscent of what the mayor of Los Angeles said last week.

00:06:16.780 And we talked about where he was asked directly, what, what about the economic impact? What about all

00:06:22.840 the people who are going to be out of a job? Uh, isn't this, isn't this too much? And he's, you know,

00:06:27.720 isn't it, isn't it not worth the cost? He said, every life is precious. Oh, that's all I could

00:06:32.360 say. Every life is precious on the, and we'll get back to that in just a second. Those, those

00:06:38.040 responses on the economic side, as Yahoo finance reports, uh, real estate billionaire, Tom Barrack

00:06:45.500 said the U S commercial mortgage market is on the brink of collapse and predicted a domino effect of

00:06:50.320 catastrophic economic consequences. And the federal reserve bank of St. St. Louis president, James

00:06:55.860 Bullard predicted this weekend that very soon the unemployment rate could hit 30%, 30%.

00:07:03.760 So put that in context, the worst unemployment rate in American history, as far as I'm aware

00:07:12.460 was 25%. And that was during the great depression, 25%. That's the worst ever.

00:07:18.580 He's talking about worst than the worst ever unemployment rate. Uh, the worst unemployment

00:07:26.480 rate in my lifetime and probably in your lifetime too, depending on how old you are was about 10%.

00:07:32.080 Now the unemployment rate rarely hits double figures, double digits. And when it does already,

00:07:38.540 people are starting to freak out. This would be three times worse than the worst we've ever seen.

00:07:45.520 And that's where we stand right now. We've got some government officials hinting that these

00:07:50.260 shutdowns could go on for a long time. We've got others will mainly just Trump into indicating that

00:07:55.520 they're coming to an end. Uh, and we've got the economy on the brink of collapse of catastrophe

00:08:00.160 collapse, you know, whatever word you want to use. Uh, and that's not, that's not being dramatic or,

00:08:04.520 or panicked. That's the collapse of the commercial mortgage market is a catastrophe. 30%

00:08:11.460 unemployment is a catastrophe. And those two indicators are just the beginning. They barely

00:08:16.520 scratch the surface. Think about this. The state of New York, the city of New York, uh, I should say

00:08:21.820 is, is the economic hub or one of the major, at least economic hubs of the United States.

00:08:28.060 If just New York were to shut down on its own, if it were just New York shutting down for weeks at a

00:08:34.820 time, that would send shockwaves. That alone could be catastrophic. The restaurant industry, uh,

00:08:44.520 employs about 13 million Americans. If just the restaurant industry were to shut down,

00:08:50.540 the domino effect of that could be catastrophic for the whole economy. Uh, you think about,

00:08:56.660 you know, companies like professional, think about professional sports, all of the money that they

00:09:05.540 pump in the economy. If just they were to shut down again, you would have potentially catastrophic

00:09:11.300 domino effects. Well, all of this is happening at the same time that, and much more.

00:09:19.000 Now I've said that, uh, uh, I'm on board with Trump's 15 day, 15 days to slow the spread. That's

00:09:25.740 what we originally told. I think we can survive 15 days. I'm not sure what exactly it will prove to

00:09:30.860 have accomplished with respect to the virus. And that's where I've been saying all along,

00:09:35.320 I have no choice, but to leave that to the scientists. I don't know what 15 days of lockdown,

00:09:39.800 what is that really going to do? Hopefully it'll do something. Maybe if I had to guess,

00:09:45.340 maybe it gives our hospital and hospitals and medical community and scientists, uh, a chance to,

00:09:51.380 to catch up basically, um, scientists who are working on treatments and, and, and, uh, and, uh,

00:09:58.020 and working on a vaccine gives them a little bit of time to catch up. Maybe that's what this is doing.

00:10:04.120 And maybe that's a significant thing worth the cost. But when I say worth the cost, it's,

00:10:09.540 it's important to note that the cost has already, already been substantial for a lot of people over the

00:10:15.220 weekend. I asked, uh, people to send me their stories. I solicited this on Twitter, asking people

00:10:21.240 who've lost a job or lost income over the last week or two, because of these shutdowns to, you know,

00:10:26.420 either send, write a comment or send me a message telling me their situation, what their story is.

00:10:33.540 And I got hundreds of messages. I read many of them. They're, they're pretty harrowing.

00:10:39.340 And keep in mind, it's been only a week for most people. Now, I originally planned to share some of

00:10:45.500 these stories on, on the show, but so many of them include so many personal details about people's

00:10:51.640 situation or financial situation. Uh, not that they're giving me their bank account information

00:10:56.640 or something. I just mean, you know, their personal details about their jobs and everything

00:10:59.660 that part of the story. So I'm, I don't feel comfortable sharing that even if they gave me

00:11:02.980 permission. So I'm not going to do that. Suffice it to say, from what I'm reading, lots of people

00:11:08.100 are already nearly in a financially dire state, small business, small business owners, especially

00:11:14.740 can't just drop to zero revenue, even for a week without there being significant consequences,

00:11:21.420 potentially fatal consequences to their business. We, we can't, that's not how business works. It's

00:11:28.120 not how the economy works. You can't put it on pause, cryogenically freeze it, or maybe stuff it in

00:11:33.680 your freezer, like a, like a pack of ground beef and then thought back up, you know, thought again

00:11:38.380 and return to normal. Like nothing happened. The economy doesn't work that way. Business doesn't

00:11:42.800 work that way. And many working families are paycheck to paycheck. If someone was working

00:11:47.480 paycheck to paycheck, living paycheck to paycheck, and you take one paycheck away, it's going to have

00:11:53.320 a cascading effect in their lives. And that could be nearly ruinous. So it seems like if this is over

00:11:58.880 after one week, after one more week, most people, many people will narrowly avoid the financial brink

00:12:07.700 narrowly and not everybody. I got one message from a woman, just one example, woman, single mother

00:12:13.360 left an abusive relationship recently, got a job recently, uh, was, was, was starting to,

00:12:21.760 you know, starting to get into the, to the, into the swing of things at her job, loses her job

00:12:28.740 because it's in the restaurant industry. When they were, when that shuts down, now she's at a

00:12:32.580 shelter with no income, uh, her three kids and, and no job. Lots of stories like that. That's after one

00:12:40.400 week. So what does it look like if things continue for a month, two months? Well, it looks like a

00:12:49.200 disaster. I mean, it looks like thousands of businesses going under millions of people out

00:12:53.740 of a job, unable to pay their rent or their mortgage, unable to feed their kids, destitution,

00:13:00.040 desperation on a massive scale. This again is not, not some sort of dramatic doomsday prophecy.

00:13:08.400 How do you avoid that? If the government prevents people from working for weeks and weeks at a time,

00:13:15.180 what's going to happen? People need money to live. Now, um, we'll have more to say about this in just

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00:13:30.420 officials, which to me have been very disturbing, especially in the last few days, the things that

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00:15:08.840 off. All right. Governor Cuomo says, uh, Governor Cuomo says all of this is worth it if it saves one

00:15:16.360 life. That's obviously insane. That logic is insane. It's the logic of a madman. If he really

00:15:25.440 believes it, he's a madman. I don't think he really does. In fact, given that he's given that 0.98

00:15:31.300 the abortion clinics are still open because apparently they are essential. Being able to

00:15:36.060 kill your baby during this time is essential. That makes me even more sure that Governor Cuomo 1.00

00:15:40.940 doesn't mean it. If you want to save just one life, shut down the, shut down the abortion clinics 1.00

00:15:45.920 and nothing else. And you've saved millions of lives, not just one. But as I said, it disturbs me

00:15:52.640 greatly that the people making these calls are saying things like this. They aren't giving us

00:15:59.380 science and data and numbers. They aren't, they aren't showing us that they've weighed the

00:16:05.020 consequences of economic collapse against the consequences of an uncontrolled outbreak.

00:16:10.260 They aren't showing that if they've done it, they aren't telling us

00:16:14.400 collapse. If they've run these calculations and taken seriously the effects of an economic

00:16:23.120 collapse, we're not, we're getting very little indication of that from the people in power,

00:16:27.640 especially from these governors who are shutting everything down. Instead, they're giving us

00:16:32.920 platitudes, ambiguities. That's not good enough. You can't plunge our country into a great depression

00:16:38.860 and ruin the lives of millions of people with this as your stated reason. If it saves one life,

00:16:45.940 it'll be worth it. Now, as I said last week, I'm not sure exactly what the balance is. At what point

00:16:52.100 does the potential number of lives saved actually justify a potential great depression and millions

00:16:57.440 of destitute people? I don't know. I damn sure know though, it isn't one. One person isn't going to do it. 1.00

00:17:04.340 And because I don't know where that line is exactly or when exactly it is crossed,

00:17:10.060 I have to think of it this way. Let's weigh the worst case scenarios, the absolute worst case

00:17:17.180 scenarios on both sides. Because we're hearing a lot of the worst case scenario on the health side,

00:17:22.400 on the disease side of it. We're getting a lot of that. We all know what the worst case scenario is

00:17:27.080 because we've been told millions of times now. Worst case scenario there is we get the economy going,

00:17:34.340 people get back to their lives, the disease picks up with a vengeance, millions of mostly elderly and 0.96

00:17:39.100 sick people die, hospitals are overwhelmed, and many more die because of that. On the other side

00:17:46.180 though, and this is the part that many of these government officials aren't talking about.

00:17:51.880 On the other side, we shut everything down for many weeks, tens of millions of people lose their jobs,

00:17:57.560 wide swaths of the population plunged into destitution, parents unable to feed their children,

00:18:03.880 many die from lack of shelter, lack of food, many more die from suicide as they watch their lives

00:18:09.460 unravel before them. And American society as we know it is finished. Worst case. I'm not saying

00:18:18.580 either of those worst cases will happen, but they are the worst cases. And anybody who advocates for

00:18:23.600 one solution over the other and has not grappled with the worst case outcome of their solution

00:18:29.300 should be ignored, in my opinion. And it's been troubling that so many people advocating for

00:18:39.180 indefinite lockdowns are not even acknowledging the possibility of a Great Depression, potentially

00:18:43.840 worse than the first Great Depression, and are therefore not grappling with what such a thing

00:18:49.200 would mean and what the human cost would be. Much of what we get from folks on that side,

00:18:54.920 if you start talking about this, they'll say really stupid things like, 0.99

00:19:00.260 oh, all you care about is your 401k and your paycheck. And your portfolio. I've gotten this 0.99

00:19:08.060 a lot. All you care about is your portfolio. You think working families that are living paycheck 0.98

00:19:12.960 to paycheck, trying to figure out how to feed their kids, you think they're worried about their

00:19:15.700 portfolio? You think they have a portfolio? No. They need to feed their kids. They need money 1.00

00:19:22.040 to do it. It's a real simple equation here. So on my end, as I've thought about this,

00:19:36.200 the conclusion I've come to that I think it's better to risk the former worst case than the latter.

00:19:45.420 Better to risk the disease killing lots of people, which is a horrible thing. Again,

00:19:51.820 we're dealing with worse cases here. But better to risk that than to intentionally destroy our

00:19:57.020 economy and the lives of millions of people in order to maybe prevent the disease from doing that. 0.95

00:20:04.080 I'm not aware of any country ever intentionally plunging itself into a depression in order to

00:20:09.780 avoid a virus or to avoid anything. As far as I'm aware, no country has ever tried that method

00:20:17.120 before to solve any problem. I think probably we shouldn't be the first. Now, you've probably heard

00:20:25.220 this by now, but when weighing these matters, I keep thinking about a lot of people have thought about

00:20:31.300 this quote, because I've seen it all over the place. And I think it's worth if you haven't heard it, I think

00:20:35.340 it's worth reading. A C.S. Lewis quote from an essay about living in the atomic age, as he did.

00:20:42.400 So this isn't obviously about a viral pandemic, and it's not exactly analogous, but there is

00:20:47.360 some comparisons here that can be made. So here's what he, in one of his essays, here's what he says.

00:20:54.860 He says,

00:20:55.400 In other words, do not let us begin by exaggerating the novelty of our situation.

00:21:25.400 Believe me, dear sir or madam, you and all whom you love were already sentenced to death before

00:21:29.960 the atomic bomb was invented, and quite a high percentage of us were going to die in unpleasant

00:21:34.040 ways. We had, indeed, one very great advantage over our ancestors, anesthetics. But we have that

00:21:40.300 still. It is perfectly ridiculous to go about whimpering and drawing long faces because the 0.65

00:21:45.420 scientists have added one more chance of painful and premature death to a world which already bristled

00:21:50.380 with such chances, and in which death itself was not a chance at all, but a certainty.

00:21:54.060 This is the first point to be made, and the first action to be taken is to pull ourselves together.

00:22:00.700 If we are all going to be destroyed by an atomic bomb, let that bomb, when it comes, find us doing 0.76

00:22:06.140 sensible and human things. Praying, working, teaching, reading, listening to music, bathing the

00:22:11.820 children, playing tennis, chatting to our friends over a pint and a game of darts, not huddled together

00:22:16.840 like frightened sheep and thinking about bombs. They may break our bodies. A microbe can do that,

00:22:22.800 but they need not dominate our minds. Now, that doesn't mean that I think we should fling open

00:22:28.560 the doors and charge back into our normal daily lives while ignoring the coronavirus and just

00:22:33.660 accepting that people are going to die. Obviously, that's not what we should do.

00:22:37.420 Obviously, no matter what you do, you have to avoid, you have to try to avoid the worst outcome.

00:22:44.340 Right now, the government is trying to avoid economic ruin by keeping things locked down

00:22:49.120 and sending us checks. Well, they haven't sent any checks yet. They're still debating it.

00:22:53.780 I think they should send the checks, but I don't think that plan is sustainable.

00:22:57.760 So, rather than keeping everything locked down indefinitely while taking specific steps to

00:23:03.840 hopefully avoid economic ruination, why not open things up again and take specific steps to

00:23:08.920 hopefully avoid mass casualties from an outbreak? Why not take it from that direction?

00:23:15.020 I have an idea of what that might look like, and we'll talk about that in just a second. But first,

00:23:18.520 if you haven't had a chance to see some of our new content called All Access Live, you should head

00:23:22.840 over to dailywire.com, check it out. Jeremy Boring and Ben Shapiro kicked it off last week.

00:23:27.760 Then we all did live streams each day over at dailywire.com. And we'll continue all of this

00:23:33.780 week as well at 8 p.m. Eastern, 5 p.m. Pacific. All Access Live is a lot more relaxed than our

00:23:38.180 normal programming. It isn't really a show. It's less focused on bringing you news and information.

00:23:42.920 It's more about sitting down and having a conversation with you at the end of a long day.

00:23:47.600 We've been getting a lot of amazing messages from our Daily Wire community during these trying times.

00:23:51.880 And we can see that they're coming from a positive and heartfelt place.

00:23:55.620 So I think that these live streams are great, not just for our viewers, but also for us as well.

00:24:04.460 I really enjoyed, personally, kind of therapeutic to sit down and have a conversation that goes

00:24:09.260 many different ways, isn't necessarily focused all the time on this thing that we've been talking

00:24:15.020 about now incessantly for weeks. This show is intended for our All Access members, but during

00:24:19.740 this national emergency and time of isolation, we've opened it up to all of our members and in doing

00:24:23.640 so accelerated the launch. So please let us know what you think of it. And if you're around at 8 p.m.

00:24:28.800 Eastern, 5 p.m. Pacific tonight, join us on All Access Live over at dailywire.com. I'll be doing

00:24:33.220 one, I believe, on Wednesday again. So I'll talk to you then on Wednesday. Now, how about this for

00:24:39.760 night? Rather than keeping everything locked down indefinitely while taking specific steps to

00:24:44.460 hopefully avoid economic ruination, why not, again, open things up? We take specific steps,

00:24:49.940 though, while we're doing that to avoid mass casualties from an outbreak. Just a brainstorm

00:24:54.600 here. Tell me what the problem would be with something like this, a potential plan we could

00:25:01.800 think about. Number one, open the economy up, let young and healthy people work, feed themselves and

00:25:09.620 their families. Two, quarantine the nursing homes, keep them quarantined. Three, tell other especially

00:25:16.740 at-risk people to remain home for now. Four, test aggressively. And if somebody has the virus,

00:25:24.400 quarantine them aggressively. Now, it seems to me that this plan has a better chance of avoiding

00:25:31.420 devastation from the disease than a shutdown with stimulus checks has of avoiding a depression.

00:25:38.220 And maybe that's the way we should be thinking about this right now.

00:25:40.680 There are no perfect answers. There may not even be any good answers.

00:25:47.480 But there are answers that can better account for the potential worst case scenario on the other side.

00:25:56.500 And here's the good thing. If we do this and we get people back to work, then we don't need to keep

00:26:02.100 sending people checks. I think that people should get at least the one stimulus check to compensate them

00:26:07.880 for what they've lost in the last week or two. But we don't need to keep doing it.

00:26:12.860 And if everyone's back at work, then we could be more targeted and we could start thinking about

00:26:17.920 the at-risk. Let's say there's someone who's even younger and has severe asthma and says,

00:26:23.340 I can't risk it. I can't go out right now. Has to stay home. Okay. Well, or you might have

00:26:29.260 an older person, an elderly person even, who doesn't have a retirement savings, can't live off of 0.71

00:26:36.660 social security alone. And so depends on their job at Kroger. They can't go back to work either.

00:26:41.240 There's going to be lots of people in that, in that boat, a lot fewer though, than there are right

00:26:45.240 now where everybody's at home. So in this scenario, we could be more targeted and focus on supporting

00:26:50.860 those people, finding relief for them specifically. It'd be a lot easier to do a lot cheaper to do.

00:26:58.380 And we could be a lot more specific with it. I certainly don't think that we should go back to work

00:27:03.180 and tell people who can't work still to stay home and say, well, you're on your own, figure it out.

00:27:07.800 No, no, no. We should take care of them. It'd be a lot easier to do though, if we're not plunging

00:27:12.020 everybody else into destitution as well. I have heard one other quick thing, the objection I've heard

00:27:19.980 from people of, well, what about those who have elderly people in the home? Let's say you're living 0.97

00:27:26.980 with an elderly parent. You go off to work, you come home, you pass it off to them. What about

00:27:31.420 that? Well, listen, maybe an analogy here. As I mentioned on the show, probably frequently as I

00:27:40.120 was whining about it, I had the flu a few months ago. It was the flu, it wasn't the coronavirus.

00:27:45.180 Tested positive for the flu, pretty severe case of it. And now the flu, yes, is not the same as the

00:27:52.840 coronavirus, but the flu is more deadly. It's in fact much, as far as we know, is much deadlier to

00:27:59.180 kids, especially babies, than is the coronavirus. And so, you know, when I had the flu, we have a

00:28:05.100 newborn at home. It's a big problem. I've got a severe case of the flu. I've got a newborn, plus

00:28:11.600 three other young kids. If they get it, especially if the baby gets it, that could be potentially fatal.

00:28:16.980 And so, what did I do? I quarantined myself up here in this room. It's like the upper area of our

00:28:24.560 house. I quarantined myself, and I didn't come out for days. And it was tough. It was especially

00:28:30.620 tough on my wife, but it was what we had to do. So, my point is, if parents are already doing that

00:28:38.440 with respect to the flu when it comes to their babies and their young kids, considering the flu

00:28:42.440 is, again, deadlier to children than the coronavirus is, parents that are already doing that have been

00:28:46.660 doing that for years. These are the kind of measures you have to take to make sure babies and

00:28:49.560 other, and your kids don't get the flu. Well, then why can't a similar thing be done

00:28:55.100 with elderly people and the coronavirus? Just, you know, already parents, even if they don't have the

00:29:02.540 flu, most parents, if they're responsible, exercise great caution during flu season, especially

00:29:07.920 with their kids when it comes to germs and everything else. And it's a lot harder to do with kids because

00:29:12.780 you can't convince them to wash, you can't convince a two-year-old to wash his hands or to keep his

00:29:17.220 hands out of his mouth. You just can't do it. With older people, you can tell them, wash your hands,

00:29:21.060 they'll put your hands in your mouth. Pretty easy to at least avoid doing that. So, why couldn't we

00:29:26.880 take a step like that? If you have an elderly person in the home, why can't you do something similar 0.99

00:29:31.800 as to what I did to protect my baby when I had the flu? I mean, you know, I know it's not easy. There aren't

00:29:40.040 any easy answers here, but there are potentially answers that don't involve destroying the entire

00:29:44.840 economy and plunging millions of people into poverty. Now, let's move on to headlines. Five headlines.

00:29:52.060 Number one, CNN headline says, California's beaches, hiking trails, and parks were packed with people over the

00:29:57.720 weekend despite a state order to shelter in place and avoid close contact with others. Now, this kind

00:30:03.300 of thing, people still going to beaches and parks, has provoked, in keeping with the theme, lots of

00:30:08.500 anger and panicky responses from people saying that these folks on the beach are going to get all of

00:30:13.100 our grandparents killed, etc. And I'll probably get myself into trouble here with this, but I have to

00:30:17.720 say, and I have to just be honest, I really don't see the problem with going to a beach. I haven't this

00:30:23.180 whole time. I don't really understand why people are freaking out about folks going to the beach

00:30:27.100 or going to a park. I'm not saying to go run out to the beach on my word. Don't listen to me. I've

00:30:32.800 already told you that. But I'm just telling you what my feelings are. I don't see the issue.

00:30:37.960 I mean, look at this photo that CNN has provided with their article. You look at this. I don't know

00:30:41.460 if I assume this is a photo from what the beach looked like this weekend. It's their photo.

00:30:47.440 Okay, well, it's hard to tell in the background, but at least in the foreground, you see there are

00:30:52.300 little clumps of people, presumably families, and they're pretty nicely spaced. There

00:30:56.840 appears to be several feet in between all of them. So let me ask you, what are the chances

00:31:01.100 that somebody contracts the virus on the beach, in the heat, in the sun, when they're sitting on

00:31:06.340 the sand 10 feet or 20 feet away from the nearest other person? Even if that other person has the

00:31:11.880 virus, and even if they cough, and even if they direct their cough right in your direction, and

00:31:16.620 these are all big ifs, what are the chances even then that you would contract it 10 feet away

00:31:21.320 outside on the beach in the sun? I'm not saying it's non-existent. I'm not saying it's impossible.

00:31:26.580 I just, what are the chances? Is it nearly large enough statistically to justify even mild concern?

00:31:35.580 And if you aren't going to get the virus from somebody coughing several feet away outside,

00:31:38.960 then where will you get it? On the sand? In the seawater? I'm not saying, again, I'm not saying it's

00:31:46.020 impossible. I'm just saying it's, here's another way of thinking about it. If I were to call the

00:31:50.240 health department and say that I was on the beach and somebody with the virus coughed five yards

00:31:56.220 away, would they give me a test? Would they? Or would they be more likely to laugh me off the phone?

00:32:08.840 So, I don't know. I mean, I've taken my kids to the park several times. I admit, I confess,

00:32:15.500 I've taken my kids to the park. We've been outside walking. There's not anybody within

00:32:20.140 several feet of us. I really don't see the issue. I just don't. Number two, multiple reports last

00:32:28.940 night say that Harvey Weinstein has, or Weinstein, has tested positive for the coronavirus in prison,

00:32:35.220 which means in the span of about a week, Harvey Weinstein got sentenced to 23 years in prison,

00:32:39.700 I believe it was 23, and also then contracted coronavirus. Not a great week, I have to say.

00:32:46.580 Of all the weeks a person can have, that's probably not going to be in the top 10 in terms of

00:32:50.940 favorability ratings. But I've seen people online claiming that this is karma for Harvey Weinstein.

00:32:57.800 All I have to say is, it's a karma. Listen, if you orchestrated a whole pandemic just to get

00:33:06.140 Weinstein, then might I suggest, next time, consider being a little bit more surgical in

00:33:12.500 your approach to these matters. Just a suggestion. Far be it from me. Number three, during the

00:33:17.300 lockdowns, a group of leftist anti-Trump people have been pulling a Robin Hood Act, or at least what

00:33:22.120 they think is a Robin Hood Act, by stealing from grocery stores and giving the stolen goods to the

00:33:27.200 homeless. They took a video of themselves doing this, so check this out.

00:33:35.540 Robin Hood and Little John walking through the forest, laughing back and forth at what the other

00:33:40.340 one has to say. Reminiscing this and that and having such a good time. Oodle lolly, oodle lolly,

00:33:48.460 golly, what a day. Never, ever thinking there was danger in the water. They were drinking,

00:33:56.160 and they just guzzled it down. Never dreaming that a scheming sheriff and his posse was a

00:34:01.840 watching them and gathering around. This just shows how false and cheap the concern for the

00:34:08.280 poor is among these people. Did you see the floors and countertops in that house? The house of the

00:34:14.060 thief? I mean, they look like faux wood and faux granite, but still, that's not a poor person's home.

00:34:20.980 That's an upper middle class home. The kind of home where you can afford to pay extra for floors

00:34:26.160 and countertops that look more expensive than they are. So I'm sure my point is that these people could

00:34:31.680 go out and afford to buy some lunches and supplies for the homeless. Instead, they steal it. They steal

00:34:38.020 it from a local grocery store where paying customers, working families, will now be deprived of those

00:34:43.080 supplies that they need and can't buy because they were stolen. This is not charity. This is not

00:34:49.980 generous. Anybody can do that. Anyone can go steal. It's also demeaning and dehumanizing to the homeless

00:34:57.100 people. You're enlisting unsuspecting homeless people as accomplices in your endeavors. You're

00:35:03.180 giving them stolen goods without telling them that's what it is. Do you think the homeless man

00:35:08.220 eating that food knew that it was just down the pants of a thief who stole it from the grocery

00:35:13.140 store? So I'll throw these people in jail and throw away the key. That's my feeling of that. 0.95

00:35:19.480 Number four, the New York Health Department has released a guide to having sex in the age of

00:35:25.040 the coronavirus because this is what we need the government for, of course, to dispense this kind

00:35:29.540 of advice. And, uh, I, I, I thought I would read some of this to you, but I, I really can't actually,

00:35:38.220 because it is so graphic in the sexual advice they're giving. But to summarize, what they're

00:35:44.840 saying is because of the coronavirus, you probably don't want to have sex with strangers. Uh, you 0.67

00:35:50.340 probably want to have sex with, you know, people who are in a close circle to you. Um, and, uh, you 0.98

00:35:57.100 probably want to just exercise precaution. So, uh, it seems what they're saying is that,

00:36:02.460 that having sex with random strangers actually isn't healthy or safe. Turns out that you should,

00:36:07.660 like, I don't know, um, maybe even be devoted to or committed to maybe even love the person you have

00:36:17.120 sex with. You might even want to consider being, what's it called? What's that thing? Uh,

00:36:23.860 married. Yeah, maybe that's it. Then you, then you really don't have to worry about it. If you're

00:36:30.360 married to your spouse and you're both quarantined, no concern. Number five, Madonna made some waves, 1.00

00:36:37.580 pun intended. You'll get it when you see the video and then you'll laugh hysterically at my pun. Uh,

00:36:41.560 it made some waves yesterday with a coronavirus related video that she posted. A lot of people are

00:36:46.500 making fun of it. I think it's insightful, poetic, philosophical, inspiring. Check it out.

00:36:51.960 That's the thing about COVID-19. It doesn't care about how rich you are, how famous you are,

00:37:03.000 how funny you are, how smart you are, where you live,

00:37:12.100 how old you are,

00:37:13.640 what amazing stories you can tell. It's the great equalizer. And what's terrible about it is what's

00:37:26.180 great about it. What's terrible about it is it's made us all equal in many ways.

00:37:31.400 Like I used to say at the end of human nature, I mean, we're all in the same boat.

00:37:47.120 And if the ship goes down, we're all going down together.

00:37:50.920 Yes. Yes. Jarvis, uh, please fetch a camera and a harpist. I'm in the tub covered in rose petals.

00:37:57.600 And I have some, I have some insights I'd like to share with the common folk. Yes, please.

00:38:03.080 Um, well, listen, I get why she's concerned. First of all, the disease does especially affect the

00:38:07.420 elderly. So it makes sense that she would be taking it personally, but you see how desperate

00:38:12.340 these celebrities are for attention. They're stuck in their homes without paparazzi, 1.00

00:38:16.780 without cameras in their face all the time. And it's driving them crazy. And these are the same

00:38:21.680 people who usually say they don't like all the attention. They don't like the paparazzi. Well,

00:38:24.940 you put them in a home for a week without it. And look what happens. They're, they're,

00:38:29.560 they're desperate. Anything they can do. So this is maybe one of the best reasons for stopping the

00:38:35.780 quarantine, because what are these people going to be doing in a month, a month from now? I swear,

00:38:41.600 we forget about it. We are three days away from Miley Cyrus performing ritualistic

00:38:46.500 cannibalism on Facebook live, just for attention. We are three days away from it. You heard it here

00:38:51.240 first. Now, um, we'll get to my, uh, to the daily cancellation before we wrap things up for the

00:38:57.740 day. Today, we'll be canceling MSN for the following headline. Take a look at this drug touted by Trump

00:39:05.560 to possibly treat virus can kill in just two grams. Now, some background on this. Trump has been

00:39:12.760 talking about a drug called a chloroquine. I think it's how it's pronounced, which could maybe

00:39:17.940 potentially treat the China virus. Um, and the media has been very angry at Trump for mentioning

00:39:23.340 this positive news. They don't like him mentioning positive news. In fact, CNN, which could also be

00:39:27.740 canceled, but I guess there's always an opportunity to cancel them. So I I'll let this one slide.

00:39:31.500 They accused Trump of quote, peddling unsubstantiated hope, which really takes

00:39:37.140 cynicism to a new level. I'm a cynic. And even I've never used that phrase before unsubstantiated

00:39:43.900 hope. That's not even cynical. That's like something Spock would say, or something that a

00:39:49.300 barely sentient robot, your hope is unsubstantiated. Your hope has a 3.2% probability rating unsubstantiated

00:39:58.200 hope. We rate your hope unsubstantiated. So MSN comes with this angle though. They say two grams

00:40:05.160 could kill you. Two grams. That sounds scary. Doesn't it? Sounds scary until you realize that

00:40:11.660 literally any substance you put into your body could be broken down and then categorized as

00:40:17.260 potentially deadly. So I'll give you some examples. All of these headlines are technically true,

00:40:23.020 but obviously misleading. Tylenol touted by many to treat headaches can kill in just 0.3 ounces.

00:40:30.180 Caffeine found in products sold by Starbucks and Coca-Cola can kill in just two teaspoons.

00:40:35.780 Vitamin A found in popular vegetables like carrots can cause dizziness, nausea, and death

00:40:40.620 if taken in the wrong dose. Think drinking water is a good idea? 14 people have died from consuming

00:40:47.600 too much of it. And so on. Now, I don't know anything about this drug that Trump is talking about,

00:40:54.940 but I do know that any substance can kill you if taken in the wrong dosage. And when it comes

00:41:00.280 particularly to medicines, it doesn't take much of it, which is why there's a lot of chemistry

00:41:05.780 involved in figuring out the correct dosage. But if you don't understand the chemistry, then it's

00:41:10.240 pretty easy to be terrified. And I don't understand the chemistry, so it's easy to terrify me with this

00:41:15.560 stuff. So sometimes, I mean, even I'll fall for it when I hear these headlines of, or someone says,

00:41:22.300 oh, did you know that so many different kinds of fruit have arsenic in them? Arsenic? Gasp.

00:41:29.800 Yes. Well, arsenic occurs naturally in soil and does end up in very small amounts in your apples

00:41:36.100 and your oranges. That only sounds scary because we don't know chemistry and because we watch a lot

00:41:41.400 of spy movies where arsenic is used as a poison to kill the bad guys. Now, it is that. It can be a

00:41:47.520 poison, but it's also a chemical element found in lots of stuff. And it takes lots of it to poison

00:41:53.700 you. Just like H2O can, well, in fact, water can easily kill you if even a little bit goes in your

00:41:59.520 lungs. It doesn't take much water in your lungs to kill you. And even if it goes in the right place,

00:42:05.740 even if it goes down the right tube and you drink it, even then, if you drink too much, it could kill

00:42:11.620 you. Now, granted, you'd have to drink a whole hell of a lot of it to suffer water intoxication,

00:42:16.120 but that is a real thing. People have died from it. And maybe one day, maybe if I'm in the mood,

00:42:22.440 I'll tell you, if you want a good laugh, I'll tell you the story of the time that many years ago

00:42:26.400 when I thought that I had water intoxication because I just read about it for the first time

00:42:31.240 and realized that I've been doing a lot of running in the past week and had been drinking a lot of

00:42:35.940 water. And I convinced myself that I had water intoxication and I went to the doctor to ask about

00:42:41.340 it. And the doctor laughed in my face, literally laughed. Have you ever, have you ever been laughed in

00:42:46.300 your face by a doctor? Has that ever happened to you? You want to talk about dehumanizing? There are a few

00:42:51.600 things more embarrassing than that, to have your doctor laughing at you. But yes, he did laugh and

00:42:58.520 explained to me that, no, you'd have to drink. I don't know what it is exactly, but you'd have to,

00:43:03.940 it's happened to some people, but you'd have to drink a lot, a lot, a lot. Anyway, that's not the

00:43:09.600 point today. I'm not the, I'm not the canceled one. All right. MSN is for their absurd fear-mongering

00:43:15.880 headline. And, uh, so that's the end of MSN. I've just canceled them. All right. And I suppose we

00:43:22.160 will leave it there. Uh, and hope everyone is, is hanging in there through these, uh, shutdowns.

00:43:28.180 Hopefully we'll, hopefully there's some light at the end of the tunnel. Be safe out there.

00:43:34.260 God bless and Godspeed.

00:43:35.520 We'll see you next time.

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The Matt Walsh Show - March 23, 2020

Ep. 450 - When The Cure Is Worse Than The Disease

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