The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 461 - The One Size Fits All Fallacy

00:00:00.000 Today on The Matt Walsh Show, the media is pushing for a one-size-fits-all approach to

00:00:04.580 the coronavirus epidemic, but a few states in the country have refused so far to issue

00:00:09.620 stay-at-home orders and are doing things a little bit differently, proving why the one-size-fits-all

00:00:15.220 approach doesn't work. But why is it? Why is it that so many people, especially in the media

00:00:19.780 and some in government, are so desperate for every single state to adopt the same approach?

00:00:25.180 I have a theory about that that I'll share. Also, five headlines, including some of the

00:00:29.900 most desperate and absurd fear-mongering that we have yet seen from the media. And today

00:00:35.040 we cancel Alyssa Milano, who went from, as you recall, a champion of the Me Too movement

00:00:40.900 saying, believe all women, to calling for due process for men. Nothing wrong with calling 0.97

00:00:47.760 for due process. I think that's the right thing. But what is it exactly that changed her mind

00:00:51.980 all of a sudden? That's the reason that she gets canceled. And we'll talk about all that

00:00:56.020 coming up. All right. So starting off, the media has for the last several days been badgering the

00:01:04.500 remaining states in the country that have not issued state home orders, statewide state home

00:01:10.160 orders, although some of those states do have individual cities that have their own state home

00:01:14.300 orders. The media really, really, really wants every state to get on board and go, you know,

00:01:21.720 full-on lockdown with this. Reporters have been harassing Trump about it at the White House press

00:01:27.460 conferences saying, why don't you institute a national lockdown and force every state to

00:01:32.260 adopt a state home order? And well, I can tell you one of the reasons why he doesn't do it and

00:01:36.880 shouldn't do it is that it would be wildly unconstitutional. The president absolutely does

00:01:42.980 not have the authority to tell every single person in the country to stay in their homes.

00:01:46.460 But the media doesn't care about that, of course. They've been publishing article after article

00:01:53.540 trying to shame these states, the few remaining states, for not having state home orders. So for

00:02:00.060 example, CBS.com says, 43 states now have state home orders for coronavirus. There are seven that

00:02:06.320 don't. NPR, states without coronavirus lockdown orders are under scrutiny. USA Today, in states without

00:02:14.960 state home orders, Americans celebrate freedom as death toll climbs. Forbes, here are the nine

00:02:21.960 state governors who have refused to issue state home orders. MSN, coronavirus in the U.S., how all 50

00:02:27.740 states are responding and why nine states still refuse to issue state home orders. New York Times,

00:02:34.260 holdout states resist call for state home orders. What are they waiting for? Now, if you're wondering

00:02:40.860 which states are the holdouts, the naughty children, the selfish psychopaths on a mission to spread the

00:02:46.700 contagion and destroy mankind, well, a reporter from NBC has helpfully listed them so that we can point

00:02:53.400 to them and shame them for being so reckless. His tweet says, the eight governors who have, so I guess

00:03:00.100 it's down to eight now, the eight governors who have not issued state home orders, Arkansas, Asa Hutchinson,

00:03:07.120 Iowa, Kim Reynolds, Nebraska, Pete Ricketts, North Dakota, Doug Burgum, South Dakota, Christy Noem,

00:03:15.400 South Carolina, Henry McMaster, Utah, Gary Herbert, Wyoming, Mark Gordon. Okay, so those are the states

00:03:23.920 that don't have the state home orders. And we're supposed to be very angry at these states. How dare

00:03:28.700 you? How dare you? Wagging our finger at them. Let's take a look at this because this is interesting.

00:03:34.880 Um, they haven't gone into a full lockdown. The media says they should. Let's, let's look at their

00:03:41.220 individual situations. And I want to focus especially on three of these states because

00:03:46.960 the absurdity of the push for a national lockdown and a one size fits all approach to this, uh,

00:03:52.740 to this situation can be seen, especially in these three states. Now it could be seen in some of the

00:03:58.700 others too. Don't get me wrong. I mean, Arkansas has, for example, 927 cases, only 16 deaths in a

00:04:06.060 population of 3 million. Utah has about 1,600 cases, 13 deaths in a population of about 3 million.

00:04:12.720 So, you know, I, I would say there there's, there's just no justification. There's no reason

00:04:17.420 for a full statewide lockdown. There is not yet a, an emergency situation there. But then what about

00:04:25.080 South Dakota, North Dakota, and Wyoming? The media is pushing for lockdowns in South Dakota, North

00:04:33.260 Dakota, and Wyoming. Are those states actually in the midst of a coronavirus emergency? Is there any

00:04:41.540 reason for them to go into a lockdown? Well, let's see. South Dakota has 288 cases and four deaths

00:04:50.540 in a population of 882,000 spread out over 77,000 square miles. North Dakota has 225 cases. By the way,

00:04:59.800 these are the numbers that, uh, based on the last report, which was yesterday. Wyoming has 212 cases,

00:05:06.140 zero deaths in a population of 577,000 in a state that covers 97,000 square miles. Um, what else am I

00:05:14.600 missing? Uh, North Dakota. So I gave South Dakota, that's 288 cases, four deaths, North Dakota, 225

00:05:20.300 cases, three deaths, population of 760,000 over 70,000 square miles. And then I said, Wyoming,

00:05:26.520 zero deaths, 212 cases, population of 577,000, um, almost 100,000 square miles. That population is

00:05:34.800 spread out over. So what's our grand total? That would be between all three states, seven total

00:05:42.280 coronavirus deaths amid 2.2 million people over 244,000 square miles, seven deaths. And the media

00:05:54.640 is saying they should go into a full on stay at home lockdown. Now let's compare that just to put

00:06:01.880 this into perspective here, because I think perspective is really being lost. That's the

00:06:06.680 one thing we might be missing the most right now is perspective. So perspective, let's look at,

00:06:11.020 let's compare this to New York city. New York city has been obviously, as we know, very hard hit.

00:06:15.480 And, uh, many people, not just in the media seem to think that every state should react

00:06:20.780 to the virus the same way that New York city is reacting. Every state should treat the problem

00:06:27.200 the way New York city is treating it. Um, we should, according to these people just sort of assume

00:06:32.220 that what's happening in New York can and will happen everywhere else in the country.

00:06:37.100 Well, New York has 8 million people packed into 300 square miles. Okay. So that's 2 million people

00:06:48.260 in 244,000 square miles in Wyoming, South Dakota, North Dakota, as opposed to 8 million people

00:06:55.840 in 300 square miles. New York packs 27,000 people into each square mile of its city.

00:07:02.940 There are, there are more people in three square, square miles of New York than there are in the

00:07:09.360 entire capital city of North Dakota, which is Bismarck, which is 31 square miles, by the way.

00:07:15.720 What's the point here? The point is that different parts of the country are in very, very different

00:07:22.120 situations. And insisting that every part of the country meet this complex challenge in the exact same

00:07:29.680 way is total, absolute, unabashed lunacy. It makes no sense. There is no reason, no reason at all,

00:07:39.200 why Wyoming with zero coronavirus deaths should respond in the same way as New York with 3,000.

00:07:46.440 That's like saying that, that, that every state in the country should adopt the exact same policies

00:07:51.480 and strategies to deal with, uh, you know, the homeless, homelessness. I mean, you take any,

00:07:57.780 any problem at all, but it's like saying that every state should deal with homelessness in the exact

00:08:00.940 same way. Well, you wouldn't say that because doesn't your strategy for homelessness really

00:08:05.100 depend quite a bit on how prevalent the problem is and where it is and how the homeless people are

00:08:10.800 distributed. It's very specific to your situation in your state or in your city. Would it make sense for

00:08:19.260 the state of Montana with 1300 or so homeless people, uh, in the entire state to pretend for

00:08:25.880 the sake of battling the problem that it's exactly like New York? No. Although incidentally, Montana is

00:08:33.160 pretending that it's exactly like New York when it comes to the virus. Montana has been on a full

00:08:37.180 lockdown now for weeks. Uh, the, the current lockdown I think is supposed to supposedly end on

00:08:42.140 April 10th, but they're already talking about extending it by three weeks. So they're on a full

00:08:45.600 lockdown. They only have 300 deaths and six, uh, 300 cases, rather 300 cases and six deaths.

00:08:52.420 Yet Montana, uh, went into a full lockdown. Many States are in a similar position having locked down,

00:08:58.960 even though there's no coronavirus epidemic in their States. There is not an epidemic in every

00:09:04.640 single state in the country. Minnesota is under a state home order, yet it has only 29 deaths

00:09:13.140 with a median age of death of 86. This raises the question. Why are so many people, especially in

00:09:23.540 the media desperate for these other States to lock down? When you just look at the numbers and you look

00:09:31.480 at the situation, it's very obvious that whatever North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming, Arkansas,

00:09:38.420 whatever these States are, Utah, whatever these States are doing, it seems to be fine. It seems

00:09:42.460 to be working pretty well. Um, I mean, the situation in Wyoming is almost as good as it could possibly

00:09:50.780 be when nobody's died of it. Yeah, they have 200 cases, but you're going to have a few, right?

00:09:56.360 So it would, it'd be difficult for it to be much better in Wyoming with respect to the coronavirus

00:10:00.440 than it currently is. So logically you would look at it and say, well, whatever they're doing seems to

00:10:05.060 be okay. There's no evidence that their strategy isn't working. So what's the point though? Why,

00:10:13.680 why would you say, well, we still, we need you to lock down. We need you to decimate your economy.

00:10:18.920 Go ahead and destroy your, your statewide economy for zero deaths. Uh, and if a state's going to lock

00:10:26.680 down based on zero deaths from a disease, then why wouldn't it remain locked down forever because of

00:10:33.000 all the other diseases that haven't killed anybody in their state or only have killed a few people

00:10:38.200 doesn't make sense. Why does the media insist on it? What assist on it? Well, I, I agree with what

00:10:43.780 some others have, have postulated, um, that one of the reasons, a big reason is this, the media doesn't

00:10:51.780 want a control group. The last thing they want is to have States that act essentially as control groups

00:11:00.060 in this national experiment that we're all, uh, forced to be a part of, or most of us are forced

00:11:06.580 to be a part of, because if, if these other States make it through, okay, despite not having locked

00:11:13.680 down, then it will prove that there was another way of handling this, that lockdowns are not

00:11:19.500 necessarily necessary for every state. But if everybody locks down, then it's a win-win for the

00:11:26.040 media. Because if the virus doesn't end up being as bad as they said, which already we know that it's

00:11:31.500 not as bad as they said, but if that, if that holds true, if that trend continues, then they can just

00:11:37.300 say, well, the lockdown saved us. You see, because if every single state is locked down and then the

00:11:41.900 success in every single state, we could say it's because of the lockdowns. But if it is as bad as

00:11:46.860 they say, then they could say, see, we needed locked up. So they went either way,

00:11:50.180 but that's a harder case to make. If you've got these outliers, these other States who don't

00:11:56.620 lock down and yet have survived quite easily throughout the ordeal. So this, this push and

00:12:05.600 this call for a national lockdown for these other States to get on board, as they're saying,

00:12:09.940 this has nothing to do with safety. It has nothing to do with beating the virus or whatever. This is

00:12:14.900 about people who have been fear-mongering, who don't want to be proven wrong.

00:12:21.560 And the bureaucrats and people in government who are pushing for this, for them, it's about control.

00:12:28.320 And for the media, it's about narrative. So for, for the, for the government, it's about control.

00:12:32.760 For the media, it's about narrative. All right, let's move on to

00:12:37.540 your headlines and staying now on the subject of the media. Here they go again with the coronavirus

00:12:46.980 and battlefield death comparisons, which they love to do. Uh, the USA today, uh, this is a headline

00:12:54.400 for the USA today. It says 10,000 people in the U S have died because of the coronavirus more than the,

00:12:59.320 more than the number of battle deaths from six U S wars combined. Okay. Now remember we have been

00:13:07.500 told over and over and over again, that you must not compare the coronavirus to the flu comparing

00:13:11.980 coronavirus deaths to flu deaths is completely, uh, uh, inappropriate. And because these are two

00:13:19.420 things that are totally different and they're unrelated. And so that analogy doesn't work and

00:13:24.380 it makes no sense. So if you were to say that, you know, during a normal flu season, like 50,000 people

00:13:29.660 die and so far 10,000 have died of the coronavirus that you're a terrible person. If you say that

00:13:34.380 terrible person, you're, you're, you're trying to, you're trying to minimize the coronavirus. 0.88

00:13:39.180 You're trying to get people killed. You're killing everybody's grandparents. You can't do that, 1.00

00:13:44.460 but you can compare the coronavirus to wars because somehow the comparison to the, a war is,

00:13:52.720 is more relevant than a comparison to another virus. Okay. By the way, what wars are they talking

00:13:59.860 about? Because you think six U S wars combined 10,000 deaths that what wars, I mean, we can't

00:14:07.180 be talking about like world war two here. Well, no, the war is that they're, that they're, that

00:14:11.480 they're combining to get to this scary figure are the American revolution, the war of 1812,

00:14:17.120 the Mexican war, Indian war, Spanish American war, and, uh, and desert storm. This is what they've

00:14:23.880 stooped to. They're actually comparing coronavirus deaths to deaths in the war of 1812. That's what

00:14:31.920 they're doing. This is how desperate they become in their quest to find scary ways of framing the

00:14:37.240 numbers that they're now, they're now digging back in history and frantically searching through

00:14:42.580 Wikipedia and fight you a war of 1812. Let's go with that. Why not? Uh, I mean, why not the Barbary,

00:14:51.700 the first Barbary war? How about that? Let's, let's, let's compare. I think there was like 30 people,

00:14:56.260 30 Americans died in that 300 times as many Americans have died from coronavirus has died in

00:15:03.660 the first Barbary war. Now it would be kind of hilarious if not for the subject matter. And of

00:15:11.120 course, you know, um, the point here is that you could pull this kind of move with anything to make

00:15:19.620 it seem scarier. I could say accurately, probably, I don't have the numbers in front of me, but this

00:15:24.740 is probably true that falling coconuts have killed more people than John Wayne Gacy, Ted Bundy, and the

00:15:30.560 DC snipers combined. I could say that it's probably statistically true, but what would be the point of

00:15:37.080 saying that? That doesn't, that's a comparison that makes no sense and is not helpful and does not lend

00:15:43.340 any perspective at all to the threat of falling coconuts. In fact, it puts it out of perspective.

00:15:53.100 Um, number two. And, uh, well, ladies and gentlemen, your dystopian future has

00:16:00.380 officially arrived. Watch this.

00:16:02.620 The anti-COVID-19 volunteer Toronto task force. Please maintain a social distance of at least six

00:16:09.820 feet. Again, please maintain social distancing. Please help stop the spread of this virus. Reduce

00:16:16.280 the death toll and save lives. For your own safety and your family's safety, please maintain social

00:16:22.160 distancing. Thank you for your cooperation. We are all in this together.

00:16:26.380 Now I should note here, and I'm not, I'm not sure if this makes it creepier or less creepy,

00:16:31.920 probably more creepy that the FAA has no idea who was behind that drone.

00:16:38.400 The New York police department says that it wasn't them. So we don't, we don't actually know who that

00:16:42.740 was. Someone sending that dystopian, weird Orwellian drone out to warn the citizens about the

00:16:50.600 coronavirus. Nobody knows who did it right now. Number three, there was a line of cars. Take a look

00:16:56.340 at this picture. Line of cars, literally miles long in South Florida, waiting at a food bank. And

00:17:02.200 here's the, you see, you see there, I mean, these are, these are people waiting for food from a food

00:17:09.580 bank called Feeding South Florida. And Feeding South Florida says that they've seen a 600% increase

00:17:14.720 in the number of people asking for food over the last couple of weeks, 600%. This is not the only line

00:17:20.500 like this we've seen around the country. So just so you know, when, when you have lines at food banks

00:17:27.460 stretching miles to the horizon, that is not a sign of a coming economic crash. That's a sign that you

00:17:35.540 are already in an economic crash. But people are talking about the economic crash as if it's a thing

00:17:41.420 that might happen. No, it is something that is happening right now. And every single marker that

00:17:46.480 you look at, starting with the unemployment numbers, tells you that. Number four, I almost feel bad

00:17:52.180 playing this for you because it's become a daily thing. And I'm not interested really in making fun

00:17:56.300 of a guy who has dementia. But at the same time, this is not about making fun of him. This is, this is

00:18:00.520 about, this is a guy who wants to be president of the United States and is clearly losing his mind.

00:18:05.780 So here he is, Joe Biden, of course, we're talking about on MSNBC last night.

00:18:10.300 We have to do at least several things. One, we have to depend on what the president is going to do

00:18:16.300 right now. And first of all, he has to tell, wait till the cases before anything happens.

00:18:23.680 Look, the whole idea is he's got to get in place things that were shortages of.

00:18:29.960 Okay, so just the transcript of that. He said, one, we have to depend on what the president's going to

00:18:37.600 do right now. And first of all, he has to tell, wait till the case is before anything happens.

00:18:45.340 Look, the whole idea is he's got to get in place things that were shortages of.

00:18:51.980 This really is just like we played yesterday. I don't even know. I'm not trying to be

00:18:56.440 difficult or flippant. I don't know what he's trying to say here.

00:19:01.840 And the thing is, when someone is speaking off the cuff on camera and you want to be a jerk about 0.68

00:19:09.100 it, you could very often find a transcript of a certain segment of what they said and it looks 0.73

00:19:16.780 nonsensical on the page because maybe they were fumbling over the words or they were kind of waiting

00:19:22.300 for the next thought to come to them. So you could do that to anybody. You could certainly do it to me.

00:19:26.160 But in this case, this is not fumbling over the words. This is pure nonsense. 0.91

00:19:33.520 The whole idea is he's got to get in place things that were shortages of.

00:19:38.740 See, that's not the kind of sentence you say when you're tripping and stumbling and kind of maybe

00:19:43.080 thrown for a loop in the answer you're giving. This is something you say when there's something

00:19:49.600 wrong, when there's a disconnect in your brain, which is what's happening with Joe Biden.

00:19:53.660 Number five, finally, and back to the theme of media scaremongering. Here's the headline from

00:19:59.480 the Daily Mail. Okay, very scary headline. It says, new evidence amid fears coronavirus can hide in

00:20:06.280 human cells and reactivate. The virus can reactivate after you've recovered. That's the headline.

00:20:14.600 And there's evidence of that. They're saying, wow, that sounds very scary. Then you start thinking,

00:20:19.940 well, wait a second, all these people that recovered, could they still die maybe? Or is there

00:20:23.260 it just sounds like scary stuff? And the way the game is played, what these outlets would prefer for

00:20:30.860 you to do, what Daily Mail wants you to do, is read the headline and maybe click on it for,

00:20:37.080 just click on it for a second and read like the first sentence so that they get the click,

00:20:43.300 but then click right out. They don't want you to actually read the entire article.

00:20:47.140 Because when you do, here's what you find. And I'll read for you from this Daily Mail article.

00:20:52.440 Remember what the headline was. New evidence amid fears coronavirus can hide in human cells and

00:20:59.840 reactivate. Okay, here's what the actual article says. 51 patients who recovered from coronavirus in

00:21:06.340 South Korea have tested positive again, raising fears the virus can be reactivated. Still sounds pretty

00:21:11.880 scary, right? The patients from the country's worst hit city were put in quarantine after being

00:21:16.920 diagnosed with the virus, then tested positive again days after being released. Korea's Center

00:21:22.560 for Disease Control Prevention said the virus was likely reactivated rather than patients being

00:21:27.140 reinfected. Scientists at the government-run health body believe the virus may lay dormant at

00:21:33.280 undetectable levels in the human cells. They say that for unknown reasons, the viral particles can be

00:21:39.580 reactivated, but it is unclear if patients become infectious again. Okay, so that's, so we've read

00:21:45.720 that far. And this is the point where you're supposed to drop off. You've read enough. You've kind of got,

00:21:49.980 you've got, you've got the gist of it. Now you can share it and you can spread the fear like wildfire

00:21:55.220 helped to spread it all over the internet. If you keep going though, one more sentence, here's what

00:21:59.740 you'll read. Experts say there is no evidence to prove that the virus acts in this way and studies in

00:22:06.300 monkeys have actually shown the opposite. And they say in cases where patients produce a positive

00:22:10.960 result twice, it is normally because of a test giving the wrong result, which happens one in five

00:22:15.480 times. So that's, so you, you, you go through the first, you know, several sentences, uh, and, and the

00:22:23.240 headline, and then you get to the bottom of the article that negates everything you just read.

00:22:28.620 Basically that sentence I just read, really what the sentence says is forget everything you just

00:22:32.780 read before. None of this is probably true. The headline was new evidence. And in the article,

00:22:41.500 it says there is no evidence. So there's new evidence. And the new evidence is there's no

00:22:46.540 evidence. So what the real story is that there are some people in South Korea who tested positive

00:22:54.220 and then tested negative and tested positive again. And there are some unnamed people in government in

00:22:59.800 South Korea who are worried, who have fears that this means that the virus can reactivate.

00:23:06.240 But in terms of the actual science and the studies and, and, and, and the research,

00:23:10.200 there's no evidence of that whatsoever. And there's a real, there's a, there's a much,

00:23:13.600 there's a much simpler explanation, which is just that the negative test that they took was wrong.

00:23:20.680 And that happens 20% of the time. So it would make sense that you're going to have,

00:23:25.120 they say 51 people. Well, that makes sense. The fact that there are fears among some unknown people

00:23:32.760 of some thing happening, that's not a, that's not a news story. I have all kinds of fears. You

00:23:38.860 want to do a, you want to do a news story about fears that I have? I have all kinds of irrational

00:23:45.640 fears. When I go on airplanes, I mean, I've got tons of fears on airplanes and now I can add a few

00:23:51.240 because of the coronavirus thing. One of my irrational fears on an airplane, you know what

00:23:55.240 I worry about sometimes is that, is that the plane will go too high and we'll like drift into outer

00:24:00.620 space, which is completely impossible. And only a moron could worry about that. So it's physically 0.99

00:24:07.620 impossible that could happen. Right. But it's a fear that I, it's just a totally irrational fear.

00:24:11.760 So why not do a, why not do a news article headline, new fears that airplanes fly too high

00:24:18.100 and hit the moon? New fears. I've actually had, I've had, I've had, I've had dreams of that. I have

00:24:29.040 this weird recurring dream of things that are like elevators too. This weird recurring dream that my

00:24:35.300 whole life where I'm in an elevator and you would think a normal recurring nightmare is where you're

00:24:39.280 an elevator that crashes, it hits the ground. My fears is I'm in, in, in my dreams, the elevator

00:24:46.200 goes too high and kind of shoots out the top of the building. I don't know what that says about me

00:24:53.160 psychologically. Um, nothing good probably. All right, let's move on to your daily cancellation.

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00:25:50.300 for that. Okay. Today we are canceling Alyssa Milano. Alyssa Milano is the Me Too champion, 0.96

00:25:55.420 the champion of, uh, for abused women. This is a person who has valiantly stood up to hold so many

00:26:03.540 alleged sexual assaulters accountable. Even, even when there is no evidence against the alleged

00:26:08.440 sexual assaulters like with, like with Kavanaugh, but what, what, what Alyssa Milano has said many

00:26:12.760 times effectively is the evidence doesn't matter. And if a man's accused, let's just assume he's

00:26:17.560 guilty and tear him down. Well, Milano, funny enough, endorsed Joe Biden. And then Joe Biden

00:26:25.300 was accused of sexually assaulting a woman in 1993. Um, and does that mean that she'll now disavow

00:26:32.500 Biden and link arms again with the Me Too movement and insist that he drop out and be arrested?

00:26:38.800 Well, no, not quite here. She is on the show, Andy Cohen live explaining why she is not disavowing

00:26:46.900 Joe Biden and why she has gone through a rather drastic change of perspective. Listen to this.

00:26:52.900 I believe that, um, even though we should believe women and that is an important thing. And what that

00:27:00.080 statement really means is like, you know, for so long, the, the go-to has been not to believe them.

00:27:09.020 So really we have to sort of societally change that mindset to believing women, but that does not

00:27:17.580 mean at the expense of not, um, you know, giving men their due process. Whoa. Uh, okay. Hold on a

00:27:25.660 second. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold the

00:27:29.020 phone. Due process. What are you talking about? Do you want to give due process? When did this

00:27:35.700 happen? I don't think we've heard Alyssa Milano say the phrase due process. Nobody in the Me Too 0.95

00:27:41.860 movement has uttered the phrase due process at any point. I was beginning to think they'd never heard

00:27:47.980 it. I was beginning to think that they, that they had no idea what it meant. Like if you, if you said

00:27:52.680 the phrase due process to them, they would think it has something to do with, with the rain droplets

00:27:57.500 that you see on the grass in the morning, in the summer, you know, the, the do, the do process is

00:28:03.520 how the do gets on the grass or something. But now she's a legal scholar, constitutional scholar

00:28:10.940 talking about due process. Well, that that's really funny because, because she actually went to DC

00:28:16.400 during the Kavanaugh hearings and she attended the hearings. And do you think she attended the

00:28:22.020 hearings to support due process? Do you think she was carrying a sign that said something like,

00:28:27.000 give this man due process? No, I'm afraid not. In fact, take a look at this tweet. It says,

00:28:33.600 I'm in DC because I don't believe any man's misogyny should take precedent over a survivor's

00:28:38.400 humanity. We tried to see Murkowski, Collins and Hyde Smith today and share our stories of survival.

00:28:44.140 They refuse to see us. And then she's holding a sign that says, I believe survivors.

00:28:47.940 So she went from, I believe survivors to give men their due process. And all it took to make that 0.56

00:28:56.080 switch was for her favorite politician to be accused. That's all it took. And let's be clear

00:29:00.860 about something that it's not as though there's really solid evidence or there was really solid

00:29:05.380 evidence against Kavanaugh, whereas there isn't any against Joe Biden. Even if that was the case,

00:29:09.840 that shouldn't matter because Alyssa Milano and all the Me Too people, 1.00

00:29:12.920 uh, they, their point was never about evidence, whether there's evidence or no evidence,

00:29:18.940 completely irrelevant. The point is believe women evidence or not. But as it happens,

00:29:26.940 as far as evidence goes, there was none at all against Kavanaugh, none, just Christine Ford's word

00:29:33.180 and against Biden, there's a little bit of evidence. Arguably there are two people who say

00:29:41.120 they were told by Tara Reid, the accuser at the time when the incident happened, uh, back in 1993.

00:29:48.980 I think it was her, her brother and a friend, I'm pretty sure. And they have confirmed that they

00:29:55.820 were told in 1993 by her that she was assaulted. So that's circumstantial evidence, at least it's more

00:30:02.160 than Christine Ford had. So that's, uh, this is not about evidence at all. Let's, let's hear a little

00:30:09.180 bit more from Milano explaining her thinking here. It's got to be fair and in both directions. Okay.

00:30:15.020 So, you know, I've been very vocal about, um, uh, Biden and my support for, for him. I've known him

00:30:24.900 for a long time and, um, I did do my due diligence due diligence because part of it was that, um,

00:30:34.860 um, and the, the article that sort of stood out to me was that times up, uh, decided not to take

00:30:41.400 the case. Um, and so, you know, that was important to you that, that meant, well, maybe there's more

00:30:49.080 to this story here. Right. I did my work and I, and I spoke to times up and I just don't feel

00:30:55.380 comfortable throwing away a decent man that I've known for 15 years. Yep. Um, in this,

00:31:03.520 in this time of complete chaos without there being, um, a thorough investigation, I'm sure

00:31:11.460 that, um, mainstream media would be jumping all over this, um, as well. If, if, you know,

00:31:21.240 if they weren't in a pandemic, Oh, or if there was more, if there was more credible, if there was

00:31:27.580 evidence that was, if they found more evidence, everything she's saying right now is totally

00:31:34.480 reasonable. If she was in a normal circumstance, if it wasn't for the fact that she was aligned

00:31:41.260 with the me too movement and had spent the last two or three years of her life trying to tear men 1.00

00:31:45.620 down based on no evidence and, and, uh, you know, coming out so strongly against due process

00:31:52.400 over the last few, if it wasn't for that, I would say far from being canceled for this,

00:31:57.640 she should be applauded because everything she's saying in a vacuum makes sense. Yeah.

00:32:03.200 You should have due process. And yeah, if you, if you know somebody and you've known them for a long

00:32:08.380 time and you know their character, that doesn't mean that they, that they're not capable of doing

00:32:15.780 something horrible. So it's not that that in itself is not decisive, but yeah, if you know somebody

00:32:21.240 and you're a friend with them, friends, friends of theirs, and they're accused and there's little

00:32:26.620 to no evidence, I don't think you should just immediately drop them like a hot potato and assume

00:32:33.200 that everything you've learned about them as a friend is irrelevant or not true.

00:32:40.040 So that is all fine in a vacuum, but we're not in a vacuum. And the problem is that Alyssa Milano came to 0.99

00:32:48.500 this realization only because of her favorite politician getting accused. And I can't even

00:32:57.080 really call it a realization because it's not as though she's saying, Hey, listen, all this stuff

00:33:01.780 with Kavanaugh, I think we were wrong about that. In fact, I think the whole Me Too movement has long

00:33:06.480 since gone off the rails. And, you know, so this is not a sort of come to Jesus moment where she's

00:33:11.100 apologizing and nothing, nothing like that at all. So this realization I'm guessing is limited only to

00:33:18.340 Joe Biden. And the next time a conservative or Republican or someone that she doesn't like is

00:33:23.320 accused, she's going to jump right back on the Me Too bandwagon again. So that's why Alyssa Milano 0.99

00:33:28.440 was canceled. Let's go to emails. You can email the show by becoming a Daily Wire member. You can access

00:33:33.340 the mailbag that way. This is from Andrew says, Hi, Matt. I thought you'd find how North Dakota is

00:33:39.200 running. Pretty interesting. We just talked about that. I live in a relatively rural area. The nearest

00:33:45.420 Walmart is an hour away and most people are still able to work. Schools, bars, and restaurants are

00:33:51.380 still shut down besides takeout, but almost everything else is still open. Most, if not

00:33:55.440 all, businesses have changed how they operate. For example, banks are drive-through only for 99%

00:33:59.480 of the time and face-to-face by appointment and necessity only. I'm a farmer and our parts stores

00:34:04.100 have changed to calling in and ordering what you need and having an employee bring it out to you.

00:34:08.060 Other stores have buffers set up so you can only go to the counter and the employees basically do the

00:34:12.160 shopping for you. It's definitely not perfect, but it's allowed most businesses to remain in

00:34:16.860 operation. Sorry for the rambling, but I thought I'd let you know how we're doing things a bit

00:34:21.040 differently. Granted, I know we have a much lower population density than most places.

00:34:25.960 P.S. Thanks for being one of the few voices standing up to government overreach in our lives

00:34:29.140 and our churches. We haven't been forced to shut down churches here yet, even though almost all have

00:34:33.840 volunteered to do so. If we're ordered to, if we are ordered to, there will 100% be underground

00:34:39.120 church services. Do you think once ordered to keep churches closed, we have the obligation to

00:34:43.800 have services? I think it's a conversation worth having. To answer your last question, no, I don't

00:34:49.100 think it's an obligation. I think, again, not all situations are the same. Not all areas in the

00:34:56.160 country are the same. There certainly are areas of the country where you probably shouldn't be having

00:35:00.660 church services, even though even in those situations, I don't support the government shutting

00:35:05.380 down churches by force and arresting people, because I do think the First Amendment should

00:35:09.120 remain active. But I think it's something people should choose not to do. And in most cases,

00:35:17.620 that was a choice that had already been made. As to everything else, yeah, this is a perfect

00:35:22.660 example. But this is what I'm talking about. This is what the media doesn't want, where you've got a

00:35:26.760 state like North Dakota handling the outbreak, even though there's not much of an outbreak in their

00:35:33.360 state, as far as they know, in terms of reported cases. But handling it in a more targeted, I think,

00:35:41.480 reasonable way, where you're keeping the economy going, but you're taking precautions.

00:35:48.480 And this is the worst case scenario for scaremongers in the media, because if this works for North

00:35:53.020 Dakota, then people are going to start to say, well, maybe other states could have done the same

00:35:57.760 thing. Maybe we didn't need to tear our entire economy to pieces. From Marcus says, it's not that

00:36:03.960 one person surfing can spread coronavirus. It's that if they allow one, they have to allow all.

00:36:09.620 Some of the examples you are giving, examples I gave yesterday of government overreach, he's

00:36:14.640 referring to. Some of the examples you are giving are truly out of control by the government and a

00:36:19.580 power grab, but the majority are definitely not essential. People don't need to be having gatherings

00:36:24.760 on the beach right now, and police telling people to go back home isn't a police state.

00:36:28.760 Putting people in jail for leaving NYC is definitely insane, however. Just saying, be careful with the 0.99

00:36:33.980 examples you're giving, because you sound foolish with many of them. One final thing, older people 1.00

00:36:38.140 don't need to be having church gatherings right now. There are other ways to worship. I practice those

00:36:42.920 other ways daily. Sitting in a church while simultaneously putting older folks at risk just is simply not

00:36:47.800 worth it. Arresting the pastor and threatening to shut the church down was overstepping, I agree,

00:36:51.720 but hardly erasing the First Amendment. Surely you must admit that there are safer ways to worship

00:36:57.580 right now. Keep up the good fight. I understand what you're trying to do by reining in government

00:37:02.000 overreach, but just pick better examples of said overreach. Well, so I think there's a couple

00:37:07.600 problems here, Marcus. First of all, see, you're doing what a lot of people are doing with this church

00:37:12.460 issue. That really annoys me, frankly, and that's, you're trying to sit on the fence where you're

00:37:18.960 saying, yeah, it's overreach. I'm not comfortable with it, but no, of course, that's not an infringement

00:37:23.420 on the First Amendment. Well, then why is it overreach? So you're saying it's possible for

00:37:28.160 the government to overreach in shutting down churches forcibly and arresting pastors, but

00:37:33.980 it's not a violation of the First Amendment? I would say it's only an overreach if it is a

00:37:39.860 violation of the First Amendment. If it's not a violation of the First Amendment, then it's not

00:37:43.000 an overreach. These are synonymous terms. So I don't know what you mean by that exactly.

00:37:53.100 To me, it sounds like having your cake and eat it too kind of thing, or you want to play both sides

00:37:58.860 of it. And that has been really irritating for me because I've gotten so many emails from people,

00:38:04.740 and forget about the emails, just even conservatives in media, many of them, who I think need to be

00:38:10.800 standing up and speaking out against this instead of trying to play the both sides of the fence thing

00:38:15.620 like you're doing here. Saying, yeah, I don't really like it. It's not good, but it's not a

00:38:19.360 violation of the First Amendment. No, it's kind of one or the other, isn't it?

00:38:27.380 And then you say people don't need to be having gatherings on the beach and so on. It's not about

00:38:30.880 what people need to do. And we weren't really talking about gatherings. We were talking about cases

00:38:35.620 where people were going individually or as a family unit to sit on the beach and have a picnic, or

00:38:43.880 you know, more than six feet away from any other people, or even sit in their cars. I mean,

00:38:52.200 you've got people being arrested for sitting in their cars and eating or something at the beach or

00:38:58.780 somewhere else. And you could say you don't need to do that, but that's not how the government is

00:39:04.440 supposed to operate. It's not supposed to be, you have a right to do the things you need to do.

00:39:11.320 And anything you don't need to do, you don't have the right to do.

00:39:16.900 I would say that when that becomes the setup, when that becomes the way the government operates,

00:39:24.920 then yes, we are living in a police state. When the government says, here are the things that you

00:39:30.120 need to do, and you're allowed to do those things. Anything else that's in the don't need category,

00:39:36.180 and by the way, who decides what's a need and what isn't? We do, the government. We'll tell you.

00:39:40.960 We will tell you what your essential activities are. And if you do anything that is not essential,

00:39:46.040 we can arrest you. If that's not a police state, then I really don't know what a police state would

00:39:51.060 look like. If it doesn't look like this, what would it look like? Radical idea here, but

00:40:03.220 maybe to some extent you let free people

00:40:08.340 make decisions for themselves. You know, you're talking about old people going to church and 1.00

00:40:17.580 they don't, you don't want, you don't want them to be exposed. Well, but nobody, if a church does

00:40:22.960 open somewhere, no one's forcing any elderly person at gunpoint to go to the church.

00:40:30.640 I would agree with you that it's probably not a good idea for an elderly person to be going to a, 1.00

00:40:34.580 to a, to a church gathering right now, but no one's forcing them to go. So why can't they just

00:40:40.080 choose to stay home? That was already happening. This is the other part that people in your camp

00:40:48.940 are not grasping. It was already happening that most churches in the country had chosen to take

00:40:54.800 these precautions on their own. The government didn't have any pressing need to come in.

00:41:02.540 Even if it could be justified based on need, there really wasn't a need because churches were

00:41:06.220 already choosing to do it. All right. But thanks for the email. We'll leave it there,

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The Matt Walsh Show - April 07, 2020

Ep. 461 - The One Size Fits All Fallacy

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