The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 463 - Bernie Finally Quits

00:00:00.000 Today on the Matt Wall Show, the ancient communist Bernie Sanders has finally dropped out of the race.

00:00:05.500 He says that he won the ideological struggle, which is clearly not the case because he's the

00:00:11.220 guy who dropped out. But will his ideology prevail in the future is the question. And

00:00:15.580 here's something I'm thinking about. The shutdowns that are happening right now,

00:00:20.860 will they ultimately move us towards becoming a more socialist country or could it have the

00:00:26.440 opposite effects? We'll talk about that. Also, five headlines, including the new unemployment

00:00:30.560 numbers, which are ghastly. And today it brings me no pleasure, especially this week of all weeks.

00:00:37.800 But I must cancel the Pope. And I'll explain why. All of that coming up. But so we begin with this,

00:00:47.180 of course, Bernie Sanders, as I said, dropping out of the race. Of course, he did that only after the

00:00:53.680 Wisconsin primaries, which were on Monday, I think. And people waited in line for hours in the middle

00:00:59.900 of a pandemic. Bernie Sanders could have spared them that, but he decided because it's not like

00:01:06.300 the results of the Wisconsin primary mattered anyway in terms of his chances. So he could have

00:01:12.200 spared them that, decided not to because he needed one last ego trip. But he dropped out yesterday,

00:01:16.920 finally. Did a live stream announcing his decision to end his campaign. And here's,

00:01:21.720 because I'm a masochist, I'm going to, for some reason, play a little bit of it. Listen to this.

00:01:26.740 If we don't believe that we are entitled to health care as a human right, we will never achieve

00:01:32.620 universal health care. If we don't believe that we are entitled to decent wages and working conditions,

00:01:39.040 millions of us will continue to live in poverty. If we don't believe that we are entitled to all of

00:01:45.500 the education we require to fulfill our dreams, many of us will leave schools saddled with huge debt

00:01:53.080 or never get the education we need. If we don't believe that we are entitled to live in a world

00:01:59.660 that has a clean environment and is not ravaged by climate change, we will continue to see more drought,

00:02:06.480 floods, rising sea levels, and increasingly uninhabitable planets. If we don't believe that we are entitled to live in a world of justice, democracy, and fairness, without racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia, or religious bigotry,

00:02:24.480 we will continue to have massive income and wealth inequality, prejudice and hatred, mass incarceration, terrified immigrants, and hundreds of thousands of Americans

00:02:36.280 sleeping out on the streets in the richest country on earth. And focusing on that new vision for America is what our campaign has been about

00:02:47.500 and what, in fact, we have accomplished. Few would deny that over the course of the past five years

00:02:54.060 our movement has won the ideological struggle.

00:02:57.600 So I wanted to play that part of his spiel because it perfectly encapsulates Bernie Sanders. Utopian, deluded, narcissistic, incoherent. 0.87

00:03:08.280 Why should merely believing that we're entitled to something make that thing happen?

00:03:14.860 This is the logic of Peter Pan. This is the logic of an R. Kelly song, I Believe I Can Fly. This is not serious thought. These are not serious ideas.

00:03:23.220 And then he says at the end there that he won the ideological struggle, which it's a little bit like a guy who just lost

00:03:29.640 one-on-one basketball saying, well, I won the athletic struggle. That's precisely what you didn't do.

00:03:37.280 That's exactly what happened here. What happened here is you losing the athletic struggle.

00:03:41.960 So the exact opposite is the case. Still, he did reveal or helped to reveal, or he is, maybe it's better to say he's a symptom of a very dangerous ideological trend in our country.

00:03:56.520 So there is a, he didn't win the struggle. His ideology is not prevailing, obviously, but there is a trend.

00:04:05.560 And it is trending in that direction. And it's a trend that skews young, a trend towards socialism, a trend towards dependence, entitlement, government control.

00:04:16.380 And it's especially tragic and concerning to see this among young people, concerning because young people are the future, the future generation.

00:04:24.680 Now, it's possible, I guess we could hope that young people, and when I say young people, I'm talking about my own generation, those young whippersnappers. 0.94

00:04:34.880 It's possible they could grow up as they get older and grow out of this socialism thing or not.

00:04:41.800 But it's tragic because, especially when you're young, you know, to be a young person begging for the government's assistance, being helpless, being, you know, acting like you're so vulnerable and you need the government to come in and solve all your problems.

00:05:00.840 That's, I don't think there's ever a point in your life where you should have that attitude, but especially not when you're young.

00:05:07.380 When you're young, and particularly if you're young and you're not married, you don't have a family, a lot of Bernie Sanders supporters, they're in college or they're just out of college.

00:05:16.880 They have no real responsibilities in life. They have nobody depending on them.

00:05:24.240 This is the time to be independent and to crave independence and to go out and take risks.

00:05:32.120 I mean, healthy risks, not like, I don't mean trying different drugs type of risks.

00:05:37.160 I mean, taking risks with trying, trying different things, different career paths, figuring out what you're, what you're good at, what your passions are.

00:05:45.500 You know, you, you move across the country somewhere and you try a job.

00:05:48.920 If it doesn't work out, it's not a big deal.

00:05:50.560 You can just go work somewhere else.

00:05:51.880 It's really, it's really, there's, there's not a lot.

00:05:53.480 Now, of course, these days you can't actually do that, but once all this is over.

00:05:57.120 So that's, that's what youth is supposed to be all about.

00:06:00.280 It's supposed to be about sort of a radical independence.

00:06:02.540 And to see the opposite trend these days is, um, is, is pretty tragic.

00:06:08.220 But I have to wonder, speaking of entitlement and socialism, what impact will recent events have on the ideological struggle that Bernie is talking about?

00:06:19.700 Because I could see this going one of two ways.

00:06:23.380 There's the optimistic version, and then there's the pessimistic version.

00:06:27.160 And you can probably already guess which one I'm, I'm leaning towards here, but let's start with the optimistic version.

00:06:34.580 Perhaps Americans will see the government obliterating the economy as it has been doing and assuming near total control over their lives.

00:06:44.140 And they will experience this, let's say sampling of communism.

00:06:48.840 This is like, like someone at the grocery store handing out samples of meatballs, which by the way, another tragedy here, another, another casualty of the coronavirus epidemic is probably that, uh, free samples at the grocery store.

00:07:01.180 We're never going to see those again, which is, which is really terrible.

00:07:04.900 But, um, in any case, so this, this is, this is sort of like a, a free sample of communism that's being handed out to us.

00:07:12.060 And maybe optimistically people experience this free sample of communism and they revolt against it.

00:07:18.960 Maybe they see what it's like to be entirely dependent on the government, to be controlled, to live without freedom.

00:07:26.780 And, uh, we as Americans say enough of this, never again, this is not what I want.

00:07:32.560 This is not how I want to live.

00:07:34.200 And then this whole experience leads to a great reawakening, uh, of, of American culture.

00:07:41.160 And we experience, again, a thirst for independence and freedom.

00:07:46.760 That's the optimistic possibility.

00:07:48.460 And by the way, that, that's, that's the only hope we have.

00:07:52.500 If, if, if there's any way of coming back from this, especially when we look at what the government has done to society and the economy, if there's any hope of us clawing our way back from this, it's going to have to be through this.

00:08:05.180 We would need a massive cultural reawakening.

00:08:08.440 Um, so that's, that's one possibility.

00:08:13.160 I don't find it terribly convincing.

00:08:14.860 I'm afraid to say the pessimistic, the negative version is that the government by wiping out millions of jobs.

00:08:24.220 And in just a second, we'll talk about how many jobs they've wiped out so far, but the government by wiping out millions of jobs is breeding dependence, forcing people to be dependent on it through no fault of their own.

00:08:39.580 So if you had your job taken away by the government and now you're, uh, you're depending on the check they're sending, which won't be nearly enough for, for most people, but, uh, it's, it's, it's, you still need it though.

00:08:52.560 Now in that case, of course, it's not your fault.

00:08:56.400 It's the government's fault.

00:08:57.320 And that's why I've even had people send me emails talking about the ethical, what, what if I get sent a check from the government and, you know, I don't want to, uh, I, I, I don't, I don't believe in, in, in taking that kind of help from the government.

00:09:09.340 What do I do?

00:09:09.800 Well, you cash the check.

00:09:11.540 You should, you should have no, feel no guilt about that whatsoever.

00:09:14.100 This is, this right now is not welfare.

00:09:16.140 Uh, you actually are entitled to that money because the government has taken your job from you and told you, you can't work and support your family.

00:09:24.340 They do owe you compensation.

00:09:28.120 Um, so you actually are entitled to that.

00:09:31.300 It's a, it's an entitlement in the literal sense of the word.

00:09:33.920 The problem with most entitlements is that the people who are getting the entitlement aren't actually entitled to what they're getting.

00:09:39.900 In this case, you are entitled to it.

00:09:42.020 So I would feel no guilt about that whatsoever.

00:09:44.320 No compunction, no hesitation.

00:09:45.560 You cash the check, you use it for your family.

00:09:48.280 But, uh, here's my fear.

00:09:50.740 That the American people, you know, we, we become accustomed to that dependence.

00:09:57.620 And the effect of these shutdowns is that society is reordered and shifted permanently towards greater government control, greater dependence, and so on.

00:10:08.780 And there is precedent here.

00:10:10.560 I think precedent points towards this, uh, pessimistic possibility that, you know, that people get used to being dependent on the government.

00:10:23.440 You look at many different entitlement and welfare type programs that were supposed to be temporary or were supposed to be limited, uh, and people just kind of get used to it.

00:10:34.980 At first, there's a, there's a revolt against it.

00:10:37.940 People are protesting.

00:10:38.940 People don't like it.

00:10:39.600 But after a while, you just get used to it.

00:10:41.460 It's part of your reality.

00:10:42.360 And I'm afraid that's what happens here is that people get used to being dependent on the government.

00:10:47.380 We, we get used to this kind of control.

00:10:50.660 Uh, we start saying, well, you know, it's not that bad.

00:10:53.340 Having the government tell us when we can leave our house, house and how long we can spend outside and all these, it's not that bad.

00:10:59.700 I can, I can do, still do most of the things I want to do because most of what I want to do is stay inside and watch TV anyway.

00:11:06.860 I hear this all the time for people saying, what are you complaining about?

00:11:10.320 All the government's saying is stay inside and watch Netflix.

00:11:14.400 Which, of course, there's a lot more to it than that, right?

00:11:16.980 Especially when you're losing your job and you can't feed your family.

00:11:19.000 I mean, if you're looking at the shutdowns as nothing but an opportunity to watch Netflix, then that means that you're in a pretty, pretty privileged position.

00:11:26.000 A lot of people, it's, it's much more than that.

00:11:28.680 But even if you're in a privileged position, and so most of what you're doing is watching Netflix, it should still bother you, even if all you want to do is watch Netflix.

00:11:36.940 Well, it should bother you that that's all you want to do with your life, but it should also bother you that you can't do other things, even if you don't want to do them.

00:11:45.300 So I'm worried that that attitude takes hold.

00:11:49.860 And is this happening at a point in history where that is very likely to happen?

00:11:56.380 Because we're all so dependent on, already on our phones and on entertainment.

00:12:02.260 We're obsessed with entertainment.

00:12:03.380 That's most of what we want to do with our lives anyway.

00:12:06.080 And as long as the government keeps the bread and circuses going, and they allow us to continue entertaining ourselves, even if we have to do it in our living rooms now, we'll be fine with whatever else they take from us in terms of our liberties and freedoms.

00:12:16.800 I don't know.

00:12:17.360 But I could see it heading in that direction, and that's what I think we need to be worried about, and that's why we have to be on guard and we have to be very vigilant.

00:12:26.260 Okay, I want to move on now, actually, a little bit earlier than usual to headlines, because some of these are very important, especially the first one.

00:12:32.640 So let's go to headlines.

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00:14:05.400 So, okay, on to headlines.

00:14:10.540 The new unemployment claims are out.

00:14:12.840 We're looking at 6.6 million new claims last week.

00:14:20.180 The final number for the week before that, I think originally they said it was about 6.5 million or something.

00:14:25.160 But the week before that, it turns out it was 7.5 million.

00:14:27.300 So before that, it was 3 million.

00:14:31.440 So we've lost, give or take, 17 million jobs in three weeks.

00:14:36.100 And I always have to remind everyone, these are just the people who could and did successfully apply for benefits.

00:14:44.600 Many millions of people either didn't qualify or were not able to apply because the websites are crashing all over the country.

00:14:52.680 When you got this influx of people, millions of people all at once trying to go on these websites and apply for unemployment, lots of people don't get through.

00:14:58.620 So 17 million is the tip of the proverbial iceberg.

00:15:02.920 Let's put some perspective on this.

00:15:04.900 17 million jobs lost is more than we lost in the Great Recession in 18 months.

00:15:11.440 18 months of the Great Recession, we lost fewer jobs than we lost just now in three weeks.

00:15:17.900 The shutdowns have killed more jobs, better way of putting it.

00:15:21.260 The shutdowns have killed more jobs in three weeks than the Great Recession killed in 18 months.

00:15:24.840 We have lost 10% of our workforce in three weeks.

00:15:29.660 Okay?

00:15:30.260 The worst unemployment rate we have ever seen, or at least that we've seen in the last, say, 30 years up to this point, was about 10%.

00:15:39.060 Our unemployment rate for just the past three weeks is 10%.

00:15:44.000 Overall, it's like 13% or 14%.

00:15:46.440 And again, that's only the beginning.

00:15:48.180 That's only the tip of the iceberg.

00:15:49.700 Now, everybody loves to seem, everyone seems to love projections these days.

00:15:54.840 So let's project this out.

00:15:56.860 We've lost 17 million jobs in three weeks for an average of 5.5 million a week.

00:16:01.140 The White House says now that this could go on for another eight weeks.

00:16:06.780 Four to eight weeks, they're saying, or longer.

00:16:09.960 So eight times 5.5 million plus the 17 million we've already lost, we're looking at around 60 million unemployed people by the end of this.

00:16:18.600 If it ends in eight weeks, let's say, we could be looking at something like 60 million unemployed people.

00:16:27.340 And that is a conservative estimate because that assumes that the rate won't continue to climb week over week, which there's a very good chance that it does.

00:16:35.340 A conservative estimate, 60 million, which would be about a third of the workforce.

00:16:41.120 And that's basically the death of the country.

00:16:43.400 Barring, as I said, a massive, great cultural reawakening and a change in our culture that is just absolutely revolutionary that will allow us to climb back from this.

00:16:58.180 But it won't be easy.

00:16:59.040 And it's not going to just snap back into place as people, there are so many deluded people who seem to think that's what's going to happen.

00:17:07.140 That after all this is over, things are going to magically go back to normal.

00:17:12.700 That we could lose like 60 million jobs in the span of a month or two.

00:17:18.820 And then it's like nothing ever happened once the government says, oh, okay, you can go back to work.

00:17:23.680 And just like that, everything's back to normal.

00:17:25.680 That seems to be what people are expecting.

00:17:27.600 It's not going to be that.

00:17:29.040 And let's also remember that when we talk about jobs being lost, these are not just jobs.

00:17:38.840 We're talking about livelihood.

00:17:41.380 So another way of putting it is 17 million people have lost their livelihood in the last three weeks.

00:17:48.480 It's not just a job.

00:17:49.880 It's not just money.

00:17:51.260 This is livelihood.

00:17:52.520 This is food on the table.

00:17:54.300 These are kids being clothed and sheltered.

00:17:56.980 That's what this represents.

00:17:59.040 Number two, a little hope in these times.

00:18:03.800 And it's looking like our alien overlords may finally be gearing up to come and destroy us.

00:18:10.000 Fingers crossed.

00:18:10.840 God willing.

00:18:11.780 Can't happen soon enough.

00:18:13.360 Here's a video that's gone viral on YouTube.

00:18:15.760 And I don't know who put it up.

00:18:16.700 We don't know who put it up.

00:18:19.040 It's from a YouTube channel where there's just one video and this is it.

00:18:22.300 It's an anonymous person who put it up there.

00:18:24.480 So you know it's very credible.

00:18:26.720 And it supposedly shows some very interesting activity on the moon.

00:18:30.400 Watch this clip.

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00:20:27.640 Okay, so I just played the clip of the aliens there.

00:20:32.180 It does look pretty interesting, pretty convincing.

00:20:34.320 Of course, when you think about the scale and how quickly the ships moved over that surface area and how large they were in comparison to the surface from our perspective, those would have to be ships that are like 10 miles long and moving probably thousands of miles an hour.

00:20:52.380 So if this is real, this is Independence Day.

00:20:55.020 Remember Independence Day, the citywide ships that hovered over the city and then destroyed the city.

00:21:00.360 That's what this is, if it's real.

00:21:03.700 The other possibility, Siri's talking to me again.

00:21:08.500 The other possibility is that, of course, it's fake.

00:21:12.780 So, I mean, what's more likely?

00:21:15.720 That someone came up with a fake YouTube video or that aliens are about to invade and destroy mankind?

00:21:23.500 You know, I think it's kind of 50-50.

00:21:24.800 Number three, the chief health officer at the Association of American Medical Colleges, Dr. Janice Orlowski, spoke to a Politico podcast, I should say, this week.

00:21:37.140 And this is what she said, quoting from her.

00:21:38.780 She said,

00:21:39.140 I believe that we're going to return to a semi-normal life at the end of May, Memorial Day.

00:21:44.980 But the other thing that I would say is that we have to prepare ourselves to go through a similar exercise in the fall.

00:21:50.940 If you take a look at the 1918-1919 influenza pandemic, if you take a look at how coronavirus is acting, this is not just the winter and spring of 2020.

00:22:00.400 Probably late November.

00:22:02.060 By December, we are going to go through this again.

00:22:04.540 And this is something we've heard repeatedly, that we could have to do this all over again.

00:22:12.260 So, okay, you know, we shed 60 million jobs over the course of a couple months, and then we try to reclaim the economy.

00:22:20.340 And then in the fall, we do it all over again.

00:22:22.540 So, hey, it's just 60 million jobs here or there.

00:22:26.000 No reason why we can't do that.

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00:24:01.080 Number four, during the White House coronavirus briefing yesterday, a reporter had an arguably off-topic question, but one that is still of pressing importance.

00:24:12.780 One of the biggest rating hits of the coronavirus, aside from these briefings, has been a show on Netflix called Tiger King.

00:24:20.300 Yeah.

00:24:20.620 And the man who's the star of this is a former zoo owner who's serving a 22-year prison sentence.

00:24:26.300 He's asking you for a pardon, saying he was unfairly convicted.

00:24:29.820 Your son yesterday jokingly said that, you know, he was going to advocate for it.

00:24:33.840 And I was wondering if you've seen the show and if you have any thoughts on pardoning Joe Exxon.

00:24:38.000 Which son?

00:24:38.760 It must be Don.

00:24:39.800 It was.

00:24:40.360 I had a feeling it was Don.

00:24:42.020 Is that what he said?

00:24:43.600 I don't know.

00:24:44.220 I know nothing about it.

00:24:45.200 He has 22 years for what?

00:24:46.440 What did he do?

00:24:47.040 He allegedly hired someone to murder an animal rights activist, but he said that he didn't do that.

00:24:52.400 And he was...

00:24:52.740 You think he didn't do it?

00:24:53.680 Are you on his side?

00:24:54.660 Well, I'm a reporter.

00:24:55.840 I shouldn't take sides.

00:24:56.540 Are you recommending a pardon?

00:24:57.940 No, I'm not advocating anything.

00:24:59.300 As a reporter, you're not allowed to do that.

00:25:01.020 You'd be criticized by these.

00:25:02.660 Would you recommend a pardon?

00:25:04.460 I'm not weighing in on time.

00:25:05.420 I don't think you would.

00:25:06.640 I don't think you would.

00:25:07.420 Go ahead.

00:25:07.720 Do you have a question?

00:25:08.380 I do like Joe Exxon.

00:25:09.000 I'll take a look.

00:25:10.280 Is that Joe Exxon?

00:25:11.360 That's Joe Exxon?

00:25:12.440 I'm going to get back to you.

00:25:13.560 Go ahead.

00:25:14.220 Can I just say, I'm glad that the reporter asked this question.

00:25:17.020 Obviously, in the middle of a global pandemic and the oncoming Great Depression, this is the

00:25:24.160 kind...

00:25:24.400 And you have a chance to ask the leader of the free world a question about all of this.

00:25:29.320 To ask him about a reality TV show makes a lot of sense.

00:25:32.940 I wouldn't criticize that.

00:25:34.420 But I would just caution everybody, if you watch Tiger King, which is a fascinating show,

00:25:39.580 but we call it a documentary.

00:25:41.220 Not really a documentary, though.

00:25:42.380 It's a reality show.

00:25:44.720 Emphasis more on show than reality.

00:25:46.560 So, if you watch this and you think that Joe Exxon is innocent, he must be innocent,

00:25:54.400 let's free him.

00:25:56.220 No, he's almost certainly guilty as hell.

00:26:00.200 You can tell that even just in the show, but you can't trust these shows.

00:26:04.240 As I've said before, making a murderer, people watch that and went away from it assuming

00:26:09.240 that Stephen Avery and the other guy, Brendan, whatever his name was, Dassey, innocent little

00:26:16.700 flowers.

00:26:17.300 And, of course, you read the court documents and you discover that, no, these are psychotic

00:26:22.260 mess... 1.00

00:26:23.060 Well, these are psychotic, murderous freaks. 1.00

00:26:26.720 And Joe Exotic maybe didn't kill anyone. 0.99

00:26:29.680 He did kill some tigers, it seems like.

00:26:31.860 Maybe he didn't actually succeed in killing any people, but I'm guessing he's probably guilty.

00:26:37.000 But you can't make these kinds of judgments based on a Netflix show.

00:26:42.620 That's all I'm trying to say.

00:26:43.660 Number five, finally, Tucker Carlson last night on Fox had some thoughts on Joe Biden, and

00:26:49.720 I enjoyed this segment.

00:26:50.900 Watch this.

00:26:51.600 Joe Biden is now the presumptive Democratic nominee.

00:26:54.060 Nobody really chose Biden for this job.

00:26:56.320 He wound up in it by a series of defaults, and it shows.

00:27:00.340 Ask yourself, is Joe Biden ready to lead this country?

00:27:03.280 Could he find his car in a three-tiered parking garage?

00:27:05.940 Could he navigate a salad bar?

00:27:07.820 And, by the way, what exactly is his position on the coronavirus pandemic?

00:27:11.720 Those are the mysteries Democrats now face.

00:27:15.560 Biden has been virtually invisible for the last month.

00:27:17.520 That's not an accident.

00:27:18.800 Joe Biden on camera means more moments like this.

00:27:21.280 We cannot let this...

00:27:23.580 We've never allowed any crisis from the Civil War straight through to the pandemic of 17,

00:27:29.660 all the way around 16.

00:27:30.860 We have never, never let our democracy take second fiddle, the way that we can both have

00:27:37.500 a democracy and elections and, at the same time, correct the public health.

00:27:41.860 You follow that?

00:27:43.200 Correct the public health.

00:27:45.080 It's hard to imagine a man like that making it through a presidential debate or even staying

00:27:49.240 awake through the inaugural proceedings.

00:27:51.140 It seems likely that at some point, Democratic leaders will try to find a way to replace Biden

00:27:54.840 before the November election.

00:27:56.100 One, Andrew Cuomo, is the obvious replacement, but there are many others.

00:27:59.560 Whatever happens, it's worth taking Joe Biden seriously for this moment, now that he is

00:28:04.140 officially, in a sense, the nominee.

00:28:06.620 Yeah, that about sums it up.

00:28:08.440 I think many people are predicting that they're going to try to dump Biden at the convention,

00:28:14.180 replace him with somebody else.

00:28:15.240 I would still say the smart money is on that not happening, just because those sorts of

00:28:19.960 things don't happen.

00:28:21.400 Those sorts of things are talked about and predicted to happen much more than they actually

00:28:26.220 do happen.

00:28:26.880 If you recall, 2016, a lot of people were saying that was going to happen with Trump,

00:28:31.320 and of course it didn't.

00:28:32.120 But at the same time, this is a potentially unprecedented situation where you've got a guy, major party

00:28:42.580 nominee, who is literally losing his mind and clearly has dementia.

00:28:52.580 So unprecedented situation doesn't lead to an unprecedented result.

00:28:57.040 I think that's quite possible.

00:28:58.720 But you also have to keep in mind, I mean, you look at Joe Biden's supporters, one of

00:29:06.140 the reasons why Joe Biden is the nominee now, and Bernie Sanders is not, is that Joe Biden

00:29:11.020 has a lot of support among minorities.

00:29:16.820 So is that something the Democrat Party is going to want to do?

00:29:20.360 You're going to erase these votes?

00:29:22.680 Not just any votes, but especially the votes of your minority base.

00:29:26.480 You're going to erase those votes and just put some, you're going to say to those voters,

00:29:30.060 no, no, no, no, no, you didn't know what you were doing.

00:29:32.940 He wasn't the right guy.

00:29:34.180 Well, we'll tell you who the nominee is going to be.

00:29:37.320 Now, the party does have the power to do that, but I'm not sure they're going to want

00:29:41.920 to.

00:29:43.480 Let's move on to your daily cancellation.

00:29:45.160 And as a Catholic, I'm afraid, I'm sorry that I have to do this, but I do have to cancel

00:29:52.200 the Pope, Pope Francis.

00:29:54.600 And I'll tell you why.

00:29:56.760 In fact, I'll read now from the New York Post.

00:29:59.360 It says, Pope Francis likened the coronavirus pandemic to recent fires and floods as one

00:30:04.960 of nature's responses to the world's ambivalence to climate change.

00:30:09.480 The Pope said in an interview published Wednesday in The Tablet, which is a UK-based Catholic

00:30:14.900 weekly, this is an expression in Spanish, God always forgives, we forgive sometimes,

00:30:21.380 but nature never forgives.

00:30:24.080 The Pope was responding to whether he believed coronavirus could spur ecological conversion,

00:30:28.600 the idea for people to lead more environmentally conscious lives through the understanding that

00:30:33.800 the natural world is a creation of God.

00:30:35.780 And Pope Francis said the world had yet to respond to recent partial catastrophes related

00:30:41.700 to the climate.

00:30:43.940 And so he's, the Pope went on to say he believed the COVID-19 outbreak that has ravaged the globe

00:30:49.380 could inspire change.

00:30:51.020 This is a time to take the decisive step to move forward from using and misusing nature to

00:30:55.260 contemplating it.

00:30:56.040 Well, of course, this pandemic has, I'm no scientist, but I think I can say that this epidemic has

00:31:03.500 absolutely nothing to do with climate change whatsoever.

00:31:06.160 And in fact, in many cases, we don't know if this is going to be the case with this virus,

00:31:11.600 but in many cases, the viruses do much worse in warmer temperatures.

00:31:16.800 So if anything, global warming is helping us.

00:31:18.960 It could be a lot worse if we didn't have global warming, who knows? 0.95

00:31:22.540 So there's no connection there at all.

00:31:24.100 But the main thing that annoys me here, it's not just the silly attempt to connect the coronavirus

00:31:30.020 to climate change, because we know that the climate alarmists, of which the Pope is one

00:31:35.740 of them, they try to connect everything they can to climate change.

00:31:40.720 They would connect traffic fatalities to climate.

00:31:43.040 In fact, I'm sure they probably have done that if you look it up.

00:31:45.980 They would try to connect anything they can.

00:31:48.180 But the thing that annoys me, just from a theological perspective, it's true, of course. 1.00

00:31:54.600 It's very possible to make the point that Christians should respect nature and should

00:32:03.920 refrain from gratuitously defiling nature and polluting and abusing God's creation.

00:32:12.240 That's a very easy case to make.

00:32:15.480 It's true.

00:32:16.640 It's an important point to make, although I think most people probably would agree.

00:32:22.400 So I don't know how necessary it is to say, but sure, you could say that, and most of

00:32:26.740 us would agree.

00:32:28.320 But you don't need to get into the climate alarmism and treating that like its own religion

00:32:35.440 of sorts.

00:32:37.000 There's no reason for that.

00:32:39.200 You don't need to be, this is the point, you don't need to be a climate alarmist as a

00:32:43.780 Christian in order to respect God's creation.

00:32:47.260 It's not necessary.

00:32:48.300 But this is the message you get from some Christians, including the Pope, and that's 0.82

00:32:53.300 why he is canceled.

00:32:55.660 All right, let's move on to emails.

00:32:59.600 And we talked yesterday about, by the way, you can email the show.

00:33:05.280 If you become a Daily Wire member, you can email the mailbag that way.

00:33:09.480 So I've got one email.

00:33:10.500 This is a why I'm wrong email.

00:33:12.260 And this is representative of many other emails I got making a similar point.

00:33:16.000 This is from Ryan, says, Dear Matt, you were way wrong about everything you said about

00:33:20.560 the cosmological argument.

00:33:22.360 I appreciate that you're trying to play devil's advocate and poke holes in an argument you

00:33:26.020 agree with.

00:33:27.020 I think theists should be doing that much more often.

00:33:29.620 Iron sharpens iron, et cetera.

00:33:31.740 But you botched it big time.

00:33:34.060 You said the cosmological argument is not the best argument because it isn't persuasive to

00:33:37.740 atheists.

00:33:38.540 But that doesn't mean it's not the best argument.

00:33:40.400 An argument is good or the best if it is logically sound. 0.95

00:33:43.760 If others are too dumb or biased to be persuaded by a logically sound argument, that doesn't 0.95

00:33:48.420 change the fact that it is a logically sound argument. 0.98

00:33:51.360 Now, on to the argument itself.

00:33:53.100 You said the cosmological argument states that everything has a cause.

00:33:56.940 But that is not what the cosmological argument states.

00:33:59.820 The argument goes like this.

00:34:01.120 One, everything that begins to exist has a cause.

00:34:03.860 Two, the universe began to exist.

00:34:05.580 Three, therefore, the universe has a cause.

00:34:07.420 This is the cosmological argument.

00:34:08.580 And I don't know if it's the ultimate best argument, but it is certainly very good and

00:34:12.900 sound.

00:34:13.680 It pains me to say it, Matt, but you were wrong.

00:34:17.720 Okay.

00:34:19.160 You're right, Ryan, that an argument's failure to persuade doesn't necessarily mean that it's

00:34:25.260 bad.

00:34:25.540 I should have said that the cosmological argument, its failure to persuade, means that it's a

00:34:34.760 less effective argument or one of the less effective arguments.

00:34:40.900 I think it's pretty clear in the context that that's what I meant.

00:34:43.180 But you are right.

00:34:44.460 So on that, you got me.

00:34:46.200 It is possible, especially these days, to make a very good argument to someone and yet 1.00

00:34:52.740 not have it persuade them because they're just sort of stupid or they're not paying attention. 1.00

00:34:56.720 That happens to me all the time. 1.00

00:34:58.560 It's one of my great frustrations in life.

00:35:00.380 Because I know if I make an argument and someone's not persuaded, it must be because 1.00

00:35:03.960 they're stupid. 1.00

00:35:04.500 It couldn't possibly be because my argument was bad. 1.00

00:35:08.300 As for the argument, there are many different cosmological arguments.

00:35:13.020 By the way, if you weren't watching the show yesterday, the reason this came up is someone

00:35:16.500 emailed and asked what are the best, in my opinion, what are the best and worst arguments

00:35:22.840 for the existence of God?

00:35:24.480 And I said the arguments that I personally find to be the most persuasive, though I am

00:35:29.560 biased, so it's hard to judge.

00:35:32.100 But the arguments I like, arguments like the argument from morality, the argument from

00:35:37.560 consciousness, the argument from the origins of life, the argument from the fine-tuning

00:35:42.300 argument, I think those are good arguments.

00:35:44.180 Now, I said that I actually think that the cosmological argument, first cause type arguments

00:35:49.340 are not good.

00:35:50.840 And I know that I am very much in a minority among Christians and theists in general in

00:35:55.580 saying that, because almost every Christian or theist I've ever talked to would point to

00:35:59.160 this as one of the best, if not the best argument.

00:36:01.880 I tend to disagree with that, and I try to explain why.

00:36:05.060 Okay, so back to the points being made here.

00:36:07.960 As for the argument itself, there are many different cosmological arguments.

00:36:12.620 The one that was cited there in the email, the one you cited in the email, is the Kalam

00:36:16.500 cosmological argument.

00:36:17.860 I was responding to the claim that everything must have a beginning or a cause, which is

00:36:23.120 an argument that I've heard theists put forward many times.

00:36:26.460 I hear this all the time, in fact.

00:36:28.280 And I was just trying to point out that it's a bad argument, because when you say God began

00:36:34.240 or God caused the argument, it leaves you susceptible to the retort of, well, who made God?

00:36:39.080 Because you just said everything has to have a beginning.

00:36:41.080 He's part of everything, isn't he?

00:36:43.700 If everything must have a beginning, then that must include God.

00:36:46.420 But if God doesn't have to have a beginning, then that concedes that it's possible, at least,

00:36:51.380 for something not to have a beginning, which means that it's possible for the universe not

00:36:54.760 to have a beginning.

00:36:55.780 You know, it's at least logically possible, even if it's not plausible.

00:36:58.940 Now, I know the response to that is to say that God is outside of time and space, and

00:37:02.740 God is not a physical entity, whereas the universe is in time, and it is physical, and

00:37:07.240 thus must have a beginning.

00:37:09.060 But I don't think it's actually true that logically or scientifically, everything that

00:37:14.980 is, quote, in time must necessarily have a beginning.

00:37:18.320 I think that that's not true.

00:37:20.680 That strikes me as a bald assertion and nothing more.

00:37:23.840 And it also doesn't make much sense to say the universe is in time.

00:37:28.220 You know, I hear this all the time, and I don't really know what it means, because,

00:37:33.880 first of all, time is relative.

00:37:35.720 So to say that the universe is in it is a bit confusing.

00:37:39.940 I don't know that that actually makes sense as a statement.

00:37:42.480 Maybe it does.

00:37:43.320 Not sure that it does.

00:37:44.780 Also, it could be circular to say that God is allowed to have no beginning because he's

00:37:50.160 outside time and space.

00:37:52.040 The response to that from an atheist could easily be, well, how do you know that God 0.61

00:37:58.520 is outside time and space?

00:37:59.500 How do you know that it's even possible for something to be outside of time and space?

00:38:03.080 And if your response to that is, he has to be outside it because he made it, then it's

00:38:08.860 circular.

00:38:09.700 God is outside time and space because he made time and space.

00:38:12.400 And the way that we know he's outside time and space is that he made it.

00:38:16.380 You know, it's just, it's a, it's a kind of a circular argument.

00:38:19.660 But let's move on to the Kalam cosmological argument.

00:38:25.560 I, the problem with that argument is that the first two premises aren't necessarily true.

00:38:33.480 And the conclusion doesn't actually prove that God exists.

00:38:40.100 So we've got a nearly irrelevant conclusion built on two faulty premises.

00:38:44.700 So that's why I think it's actually a very bad argument.

00:38:47.840 Premise one, everything that begins to exist has a cause.

00:38:51.080 Well, maybe, but we don't actually know if that's true or not.

00:38:55.620 I think it's true, but it doesn't matter what I think.

00:38:59.920 It matters what you can prove.

00:39:01.020 And you can't prove that.

00:39:03.540 I think most modern scientists, quantum physicists and so forth, would tell you that the laws

00:39:08.980 of cause and effect aren't necessarily as clear as we might think when you get down to

00:39:13.420 the quantum level.

00:39:16.100 And, and, and when you go back to the singularity and then before that, the laws of physics,

00:39:21.360 as we know them, break down.

00:39:23.180 So you can't really make claims based on them, you see.

00:39:26.300 So that, that, that, that premise, I think is dubious.

00:39:28.800 Premise two, the universe began to exist.

00:39:31.020 Well, even if premise one is conceded, premise two kills the whole thing because that is

00:39:35.880 a statement of fact.

00:39:36.980 The universe began to exist when we actually don't know that it is a fact.

00:39:41.100 Remember, you can't bring theological assumptions into this argument.

00:39:44.700 And that's what I was talking about yesterday.

00:39:46.280 The cosmological argument can seem very persuasive to you and me because of the theological assumptions

00:39:53.300 that we bring to it.

00:39:54.280 And those are theological assumptions that I share, that the universe began to exist.

00:39:59.820 But the reason why I think that the universe began to exist, it's not really because of

00:40:03.620 the Big Bang.

00:40:04.560 Because as I, as I'll say, as I'll talk about in a minute, the Big Bang itself doesn't prove

00:40:07.700 that the universe began to exist.

00:40:09.440 The reason I think it and believe it is because the Bible tells me that the, that God created

00:40:15.460 the universe, but in terms of just objective scientific fact, what do we know?

00:40:22.980 Well, we know that the observable universe, this massive clump of a hundred billion galaxies

00:40:27.600 that we call the universe began.

00:40:30.120 We know that.

00:40:30.920 We have no idea what might be beyond that or what might've come before it.

00:40:37.260 We just have no idea.

00:40:38.320 So you, you, you simply can't make that claim.

00:40:40.520 Well, you can make it, but it's just a claim.

00:40:42.840 You can't prove it.

00:40:44.960 And there are other logical possibilities.

00:40:48.200 Now you could say it seems most plausible that the universe began to exist 14 and a half

00:40:53.400 billion years ago, whenever it was.

00:40:55.380 But when you equivocate like that, I think it kind of destroys the argument anyway.

00:40:58.600 It is possible, again, I say this from a purely scientific standpoint, that we live in a

00:41:05.040 multiverse, that there are many more.

00:41:08.140 And when you think about it, it's like, we know the universe is a hundred billion galaxies.

00:41:11.580 Can we really say the universe is a hundred billion galaxies?

00:41:14.340 It couldn't possibly be any bigger than that.

00:41:17.260 A hundred billion galaxies is incomprehensibly huge already.

00:41:20.440 So who knows?

00:41:22.120 Maybe it's a quadrillion galaxies big, or maybe it's eternally big.

00:41:25.700 I don't know.

00:41:28.600 It's possible that the universe is like an accordion that expands and contracts eternally.

00:41:32.840 It's possible.

00:41:34.440 There are dozens of other possibilities as well.

00:41:37.420 So I think that claim, the premise doesn't work.

00:41:40.240 And then the conclusion, because you say, here are the two premises, then we get the conclusion

00:41:45.660 that the universe has a cause.

00:41:47.840 Well, even if you get there, I mean, even if you can convince someone of the first two

00:41:54.700 premises, which I'm not sure how exactly you do that, because you're going to need to come

00:41:59.460 forward with scientific discoveries that no one, you're going to need to have some heretofore

00:42:05.100 unknown scientific discoveries that you're bringing to bear for those premises to work.

00:42:08.440 But even if you do, the conclusion only shows that something caused the universe.

00:42:16.520 It doesn't tell you that that thing is God, you see.

00:42:19.640 It doesn't even really get you close to that, because anybody could dream up a million different

00:42:29.960 logical possibilities of what that thing could be, right?

00:42:33.420 Now, William Lane Craig, who, first of all, is brilliant, and I'm a huge fan of him.

00:42:41.820 I admire and respect him.

00:42:42.840 I think most of his arguments that he makes are great.

00:42:46.920 But this is the Kalam Cosmological Argument is one that he popularized.

00:42:51.120 And on this one, I think it's not good.

00:42:53.580 And I think he kind of pulls a little bit of a rhetorical bait and switch, not intentionally,

00:42:57.300 but I think he does.

00:42:58.640 Because what he'll try to do, if you've ever heard him explain this argument,

00:43:03.420 he'll try to get from, you know, the universe has a cause, and then he'll go immediately from

00:43:09.640 that and say, and that cause must be timeless, spaceless, immaterial, changeless, and infinitely

00:43:18.200 powerful.

00:43:19.320 And then he'll say, and that's whatever, you know, whatever being is that is God.

00:43:24.600 That's what we all mean when we say God.

00:43:26.300 Well, that doesn't really work logically, does it?

00:43:29.020 Because, yeah, whatever caused it, I guess, would have to be immaterial, spaceless, and

00:43:33.180 timeless, because it is outside of those things.

00:43:36.680 Although even there, you could dream up, you know, you could say, well, what if the universe

00:43:40.140 is a simulation in some sort of alien supercomputer?

00:43:43.900 I don't think that's true, but it's a logical possibility that you can't rule out logically,

00:43:48.260 philosophically, you can't rule it out.

00:43:49.660 So even that doesn't really work.

00:43:51.040 But let's put the alien simulation thing aside.

00:43:52.720 And let's say, okay, fine.

00:43:54.000 Spaceless, timeless, and material.

00:43:54.920 But how do you get to changeless and infinitely powerful?

00:44:01.100 Whatever caused the universe, the act of causing the universe doesn't mean that you have to

00:44:04.840 be changeless. 0.59

00:44:06.240 And it doesn't even mean you have to be infinitely powerful.

00:44:08.240 It just means that you have to be the spark that sets off the Big Bang, and then everything

00:44:12.680 sort of takes over from there.

00:44:14.880 Infinitely powerful means that you can do things like things God can do, like read your

00:44:18.400 mind and answer prayers.

00:44:19.480 But there is nothing about starting a universe that necessitates being able to read someone's

00:44:25.220 mind and answer their prayers, for example.

00:44:27.360 And that's why deists, through the centuries, have believed that the universe was caused by

00:44:32.700 some sort of supernatural entity, and then that entity really hasn't done anything since,

00:44:37.500 or maybe isn't able to do anything else, or maybe doesn't even exist anymore.

00:44:40.660 I don't think that's true, but there's nothing illogical about it, is my point.

00:44:46.440 Okay.

00:44:49.480 And that's why I think that that argument is no good.

00:44:53.140 What I, and that's why I think we should focus again on, you know, argument from consciousness,

00:44:56.760 the moral argument, fine-tuning, origin of life, I think, is a much better argument than

00:45:05.460 the cosmological argument.

00:45:07.200 Because it's built on, as I tried to explain, it's built on premises that are not provable.

00:45:15.820 And if they're not provable, then they don't really work.

00:45:20.820 And they're also not logically necessary.

00:45:23.040 It seems to me that they either have to be provable or logically necessary.

00:45:26.480 And if they're neither of those things, then, you know, you don't get past square one.

00:45:32.020 And I think that's the issue.

00:45:34.180 But I enjoy these conversations.

00:45:35.920 And I always enjoy arguing with people that I agree with.

00:45:38.480 It's one of my favorite pastimes.

00:45:40.100 And I think those arguments, you know, when you're talking about arguments for the existence of God,

00:45:46.280 I think those discussions are, many times, are much more interesting to have with other people who believe in God.

00:45:52.640 Because when you have that shared belief and that shared sort of framework and groundwork,

00:45:59.700 you can have more detailed and interesting conversations.

00:46:03.860 Because you are able to get past square one.

00:46:06.620 So I enjoy that.

00:46:08.060 All right.

00:46:08.400 We'll leave it there.

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00:47:13.480 It's 1950 in Quincy, Massachusetts.

00:47:21.940 At 6 a.m. on a cool September morning, a big genial man named Bill Rosenberg opens his store's glass door.

00:47:29.160 He calls the place Open Kettle.

00:47:31.080 It's the first donut and coffee shop ever to provide seats for its customers.

00:47:34.960 A group of men wait outside, eager for their morning java.

00:47:39.400 Some are factory workers.

00:47:40.780 Others are salesmen and businessmen.

00:47:43.060 The first to hurry in wears heavy pants and a work shirt.

00:47:47.120 Morning, Bill.

00:47:48.420 Hey, Marty.

00:47:49.240 Ready for the usual?

00:47:50.320 You bet.

00:47:51.300 Coffee with two sugars and two glazed donuts.

00:47:54.220 Gotta have it to start my day.

00:47:56.700 Rosenberg turns to two men who sport suits, ties, and hats.

00:48:00.640 Morning, guys.

00:48:01.920 Hey, Bill.

00:48:02.600 Know what?

00:48:03.360 Your coffee smells so good, it wakes me up before I've had a sip.

00:48:07.660 The men sit at the low, curved counter on leather-topped stools.

00:48:11.340 Rosenberg goes behind the counter.

00:48:13.440 He smiles as he fills their cups with the drink they crave.

00:48:16.960 As soon as their cups are empty, he fills them up again.

00:48:20.320 Above the pot, a wall sign reads,

00:48:22.600 Ours is the best coffee in the world.

00:48:25.940 Every morning, his shop fills up like this, and it never fails to make him smile.

00:48:31.120 He heads into the kitchen.

00:48:33.280 He loves watching the donut dough cook in the fryer's bubbling oil.

00:48:37.340 When they turn golden brown, cooks whisk them from the fryer with giant spoons.

00:48:42.100 He savors the donut's rich, yeasty fragrance as they cool on metal racks.

00:48:47.740 Beside the racks, deep bowls are filled with frosting in vanilla, chocolate, strawberry, and maple flavors.

00:48:53.560 Rosenberg grabs a tablespoon and digs out a taste of strawberry icing, his favorite.

00:48:59.800 Dozens of donuts are iced.

00:49:01.660 Others are dipped in powdered sugar and shot full of cream.

00:49:05.360 Many are stuffed with jelly in succulent flavors.

00:49:08.520 Lemon, blueberry, pineapple, apple spice.

00:49:11.900 Rosenberg picks up a jelly donut.

00:49:15.080 As he bites into it, a big magenta blob squirts onto his shirt.

00:49:19.220 He laughs, wipes it off, and licks it from his finger.

00:49:23.400 There's just one thing about his store that he doesn't like.

00:49:26.360 He calls his staff together.

00:49:29.500 We're doing great, but I hate the name of the store.

00:49:33.780 You're the one who named it Open Kettle.

00:49:36.320 True, true.

00:49:36.980 I'll take the blame.

00:49:38.160 But we need another name.

00:49:40.540 Throw out anything that comes to mind.

00:49:42.120 How about Mr. Donut, or Best Donuts?

00:49:47.040 Maybe, maybe, I feel like we could do better.

00:49:52.540 I got it.

00:49:53.600 What do you do with a donut and coffee?

00:49:56.140 You dunk the donut.

00:49:58.120 That's it.

00:49:59.380 Dunkin' Donuts.

00:50:00.680 Yeah, it's got a nice ring to it.

00:50:03.600 But coffee is Rosenberg's true love.

00:50:06.840 To prove it, the big news sign outside his store reads,

00:50:11.220 Dunkin' Donuts.

00:50:12.680 The World's Finest Coffee.

00:50:15.460 Like every dedicated coffee purveyor who will follow him,

00:50:19.020 Bill Rosenberg is passionate about brewing the perfect cup.

00:50:22.920 An eighth-grade dropout, Rosenberg would teach the average Joe 1.00

00:50:26.300 to take their cup of Joe more seriously in America.

00:50:29.640 Decades in the future, that passion will take his company

00:50:32.820 where he never imagined it would go,

00:50:35.760 head-to-head with a cross-country rival

00:50:38.400 that becomes a global juggernaut.

00:50:41.180 Starbucks Coffee Tea & Spice opens in 1971

00:50:48.380 in a small store in Seattle's historic Pike Place Market.

00:50:52.480 The store is designed to look slightly nautical.

00:50:54.720 A long wall with wooden shelves displays 30 different kinds of coffee.

00:51:00.200 They sell only coffee beans and the best home coffee machines.

00:51:04.880 But they sometimes offer samples, served in porcelain cups,

00:51:08.260 that make the coffee taste even better.

00:51:11.600 Seattle is in an economic downturn, but Starbucks catches on.

00:51:16.460 It's a hit with Seattle citizens who love the idea of savoring their coffee at home,

00:51:21.400 especially on those gloomy days in winter.

00:51:23.480 And Starbucks is the only place in Seattle that offers quality coffee.

00:51:28.280 It catches the attention of a young 28-year-old.

00:51:32.860 From the moment he encounters Starbucks,

00:51:35.440 he and the entire business will never be the same.

00:51:40.760 His name is...

00:51:42.280 That was just a preview of the first episode of

00:51:47.560 Starbucks vs. Dunkin' on Business Wars.

00:51:50.540 Subscribe to hear the rest on Apple Podcasts, Spotify,

00:51:53.960 or wherever you're listening right now.

00:51:55.740 Thank you so much for watching.

The Matt Walsh Show - April 09, 2020

Ep. 463 - Bernie Finally Quits

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