The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 467 - Saving Adults While Killing Children

00:00:00.000 Today on the Matt Wall Show, we are told that the shutdowns are worth it because they're

00:00:04.360 allegedly saving lives. In fact, we've been told that even if the shutdowns save just one life,

00:00:09.640 that would be enough to justify the destruction of the economy. Well, on that note, I've been

00:00:13.320 thinking about it, and it occurs to me that there's one type of business, just one type

00:00:17.480 of business that we could shut down permanently and save a million lives a year just by shutting

00:00:22.360 down this one type of business. So if you are in favor of shutdowns to save lives, then you should

00:00:27.460 agree with me on this point. We'll talk about that. Also, five headlines, including the governor

00:00:31.180 of New Jersey admitting that he, quote, didn't think about the Bill of Rights when he was crafting

00:00:36.600 his stay-at-home order, which is, of course, not a surprise. We already knew that. But to hear him

00:00:41.160 say it out loud is maybe a little bit surprising. And in our daily cancellation, we will examine the

00:00:46.220 idea that only white people can be racist. This is what kids are taught in school these days,

00:00:50.560 especially in college. But events in China would seem to very much contradict that claim. So we'll

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00:02:17.400 Okay. A common retort to conservatives who advocate for opening up the economy is that we are betraying

00:02:26.740 our pro-life principles. I'm sure you've heard this. This charge is, and it's clearly absurd for a

00:02:32.660 number of reasons. First of all, one of our primary arguments is that shutting down society is probably

00:02:39.380 not the most effective way of saving lives. Many people are still dying of the virus even during the

00:02:46.400 shutdown. Many will likely die once the shutdown is lifted. And even the most ardent supporter of

00:02:52.600 shutdowns must agree that we have to lift the shutdowns eventually. I mean, eventually we have

00:02:57.420 to go back to our lives. And the virus is still going to be there when we go back to our lives.

00:03:02.740 So we may not even be saving any lives at all when all is said and done. And on top of that toll,

00:03:08.140 we now have to add to it the lives that are destroyed, ruined, ended, in some cases,

00:03:13.560 by the collapse of the economy. All told, it is reasonable to worry that the cost in human death

00:03:20.480 and suffering will be greater because of the shutdown than it would have been had we not

00:03:26.680 shut down and had we adopted preventive measures while still allowing the economy to continue.

00:03:31.500 Now, you may disagree with that argument, okay? But it's obviously not an argument that denies the

00:03:37.580 value of human life. That's not what the argument is doing. The argument is saying that human life is

00:03:42.660 extraordinarily valuable, infinitely valuable, but our method right now of protecting human life is

00:03:48.340 not a good method. Here's a better one. That's the argument, okay? Also, nobody who criticizes the

00:03:55.620 strategy of willfully plunging the nation into a Great Depression is suggesting that the elderly and

00:04:01.960 others who are most vulnerable to the virus should be directly killed, okay? None of us are saying that.

00:04:08.220 This is not like a eugenics argument. We're merely suggesting that there are other and better ways of

00:04:15.640 protecting those populations and that the enormous cost of our current method is far too high and the payoff

00:04:22.900 is far too uncertain. Now, by contrast, advocates of abortion support the direct and purposeful killing of

00:04:33.220 vulnerable people at the earliest stages of life. That is a very different sort of position to take.

00:04:40.940 Even if, okay, even if the anti-shutdown people were to argue that the elderly aren't worth protecting

00:04:48.380 and we shouldn't bother protecting them, which that is most emphatically not what we're arguing,

00:04:54.060 but what I'm saying is even if we took that stance, that stance would look positively Gandhian

00:05:01.320 in comparison to those who openly celebrate and advocate the medical execution of infants.

00:05:07.740 Which brings us to an important point. The flip side of the erroneous, you know, you anti-shutdown

00:05:14.580 people are contradicting your pro-life views accusation is that a great many of the pro-shutdown

00:05:20.320 people actually are contradicting their pro-abortion views. As I've explained, it is possible for a

00:05:28.720 reasonable person to affirm the inherent value of human life while also arguing that the shutdowns

00:05:34.440 are unwise. That is possible to do. It's very reasonable. Indeed, a reasonable person can argue

00:05:38.980 that, you know, it's the inherent value of human life is the reason why we should not have the

00:05:47.860 shutdowns. So it's not just that, you know, in spite of that, but it's because of that that we shouldn't

00:05:52.640 have the shutdowns. That's a reasonable argument. You don't have, again, you don't have to agree,

00:05:57.000 but it's a reasonable argument. But there's the other side of that. And what I can't see,

00:06:05.860 on the other hand, is how a person can argue that it is just and proper to intentionally kill a million

00:06:13.020 human lives every single year for the sake of preserving the lifestyle of the parents, and then

00:06:17.980 also argue that we must destroy the lifestyles and livelihoods of millions of people in order to

00:06:23.580 preserve human life. So there seems to be a logical disconnect there. The latter argument can

00:06:30.540 only potentially make sense if human life has inherent value, while the former argument can

00:06:36.480 only potentially make sense if human life has subjective and conditional value that is not

00:06:40.540 inherent value. So which is it? The pro-shutdown camp declares that every life has value.

00:06:49.320 Every life is worth saving. I agree with them. But the odd thing is that so many of them don't

00:06:57.520 really agree with them. They don't appear to have a coherent perspective on human life and its value.

00:07:03.880 And that's one of the reasons why this debate has been so fruitless and doesn't go anywhere.

00:07:09.260 Because we don't have an agreement on the inherent value of human life. And there are people who are

00:07:15.760 making claims as if they believe that human life has inherent value, when in fact they don't believe

00:07:20.800 that. And that's how we end up in this morbidly ironic situation where a society that kills a

00:07:28.540 million babies a year for convenience has shut itself down to prevent the elderly from dying.

00:07:34.200 If there's any principle here that can be found, it would seem that the principle is that adult life

00:07:43.940 is more valuable and more worthy of protection than the lives of children. Which of course is

00:07:49.600 incoherent, not to mention backwards and evil. All life has value. But a healthy society, I would say,

00:08:00.420 should be far more willing to accept the death of adults than the death of children.

00:08:06.860 Which isn't to say that we shouldn't do anything to protect adults. I'm not saying that.

00:08:10.640 But adults must die eventually, after all. Children should not.

00:08:16.660 Least of all, should they die by our own hands, which is what's happening.

00:08:21.140 A properly ordered and healthy society would see the death of an adult as a tragedy, which it is.

00:08:27.700 But the death of a child, it would see as something so unspeakable that the word tragedy doesn't even

00:08:34.100 cover it. We seem to have flipped those things around. Flipped it on its head.

00:08:41.700 And that doesn't make sense to me. But look, perhaps I'm being too cynical. I have to leave

00:08:48.740 open the possibility that all the pro-abortion people who are now applauding the ruination of our economy,

00:08:54.620 because even a sacrifice as extraordinary as that is worth it to save just one life, supposedly,

00:09:01.060 they say. Maybe all these people have experienced a dramatic change of heart.

00:09:06.720 Maybe this is not hypocrisy or inconsistency, but it's a sign that a new leaf has been turned in our

00:09:12.140 culture. Maybe these people have discovered within themselves for the first time a real passion for

00:09:17.300 defending the worth and dignity of human life. In that case, you know, I welcome them to the pro-life

00:09:23.920 team. Welcome aboard. Glad to have you. And I would just like to suggest that if we're pursuing a policy

00:09:30.620 of shutdowns to save lives, we only really need to close one type of business. It's the one type of

00:09:39.140 business that kills a million babies a year in this country. Now, we can argue about the other

00:09:43.860 shutdowns. We can argue about the wisdom of the other shutdowns and whether or not we should be

00:09:47.640 shutting down other businesses like restaurants and retail shops and so on. But anybody who really

00:09:53.000 wants to protect human life should agree that this is the best place to start. This at least is one type

00:09:58.340 of business, abortion clinics, that we should certainly shut down. And there is no doubt that we could save

00:10:05.380 many, many lives just by doing that. So I'm glad we could come to this understanding. Now let's move on

00:10:13.540 to headlines. Number one, and thousands of people in Michigan, the Michigan, Michigan, there's, what is

00:10:21.980 it? Michiganites? Michiganies? But anyway, thousands of them showed up at the state capitol yesterday to

00:10:29.460 protest the onerous, tyrannical orders coming from the emperor of Michigan, Emperor Whitmer. And first

00:10:38.080 of all, these patriots deserve to be applauded for standing up. And I hope this is the start of a trend.

00:10:42.560 It's just very beautiful. It's a beautiful thing to see. Meanwhile, the emperor herself appeared on NBC

00:10:46.880 to justify her policies. And she explained, I'm not making this up. I'll play you the clip. She explained

00:10:52.900 that it's snowing in Michigan anyway. And so you don't really need your liberties because it's snowing.

00:10:58.040 Watch this. We just had snow. I've got snow on the ground here in Michigan right now in Lansing.

00:11:02.000 We're expecting up to 30 inches in the Upper Peninsula. The fact that we're cracking down on

00:11:07.380 people traveling between homes or planting or landscaping or golfing really for a couple more

00:11:14.480 weeks isn't going to meaningfully impact people's ability to do it because the snow will do that in

00:11:19.300 and of itself. We're cracking down on people planting. That's actually what she said. Think about that.

00:11:25.700 Cracking down on people planting. But that's okay because it's snowing, so you can't do this stuff

00:11:32.720 anyway, which of course raises a question. Well, it raises many questions, one of which is this.

00:11:37.220 If you're saying that nobody can do these things anyway, then why are you banning them?

00:11:43.840 What's the point of saying, you know, you're forbidden from doing this, but you can't do this

00:11:49.320 anyway, so you shouldn't worry about the fact that you're forbidden from doing it. Well,

00:11:52.240 then why are you bothering to forbid them from doing it? Of course, in reality, you still can do

00:11:59.640 all of those things. For example, you could still plant, even in Michigan, you could still buy seeds

00:12:04.520 and plant them. You just, you do it indoors. We have plants growing inside our house right now.

00:12:09.140 Many people do, even though I don't live in Michigan. But so that it's, it's not true,

00:12:15.340 first of all. But even if it, even if it was, the excuse makes no sense.

00:12:22.120 Number two, the new unemployment numbers have been released. Five million Americans applied for

00:12:26.660 unemployment last week. That makes the total number of unemployed since this, since this all began

00:12:32.080 about 22 million or 15% of the labor force. We have officially lost 15% of the labor force in a

00:12:42.340 month, which it goes without saying is unprecedented. It has never happened before.

00:12:47.300 So we are on entirely, we are in uncharted waters at the moment. But really these numbers,

00:12:54.400 we have to, we have to remember, I have to keep reminding people when we talk about this,

00:12:58.360 that these numbers are almost meaningless. Almost meaningless, not because they don't matter,

00:13:04.440 but because the actual numbers are much, much higher than this. Okay. All this tells us is the

00:13:11.120 number of people who successfully applied for unemployment. It does not include the many

00:13:15.380 millions of people who tried to apply and couldn't get through because the systems were down. And

00:13:20.480 also all the people who don't qualify for unemployment in the first place, even though

00:13:24.060 they're with, they are without a job right now. So we talk about 22 million. That is, I mean,

00:13:30.220 not even the tip of the iceberg. That is just, that's a, that's a minimal starting point.

00:13:35.540 Um, but we have to remember that it's much higher than that. And this is also, it's important to note

00:13:42.940 because I've seen some people this morning, um, all but celebrating because, well, 5 million people

00:13:51.360 filed for unemployment, but that's down from 6 million the week before. So it's only 5 million,

00:13:57.480 only 5 million people, which even if it was just the 5 million, um, there's, there's nothing to

00:14:04.280 celebrate there. That's not an improvement. That is 5 million additional people who don't have jobs

00:14:09.040 now. But in fact, it's a lot more than 5 million. That's the point. Number three, Joe Biden was on

00:14:13.980 morning Joe, uh, today and, and offered a very touching story. Well, I think it was a touching

00:14:18.980 story. I couldn't really tell, but maybe let's see if you can make heads or tails of this.

00:14:23.720 I sat with a guy yesterday on, on a telephone and he's telling me, he said, I don't know. He said,

00:14:29.360 look, I, I, I, I, I, I worked at the hospital and he said, then I, I got, I got myself in a position

00:14:35.220 where I got the virus. So they quarantined me and, and they put me in the hospital and I made it out.

00:14:40.360 And so I'm out, but they don't want me with my family. I'm on the third floor. I spent 15 minutes

00:14:45.980 on the phone with them saying, he said, I have a three-year-old and a four-year-old and they come

00:14:49.780 to the door outside and they just knock on the door and say, daddy, daddy, can I see you? Daddy? Can I see

00:14:55.300 you daddy? So we spent time going through it. I used to do with my kids when they were little

00:14:59.640 and I couldn't see them. And we'd play games. I said, knock, make up a game, knock, knock on the

00:15:05.040 door and say, this is, you know, practical things. The guy's scared to death and he's, he's worried

00:15:11.700 about his children. He's worried about his wife. I mean, these are practical things. And the president

00:15:16.280 talks about this, like, okay, it's going to be okay. We're going to open tomorrow. We're going to do

00:15:21.840 this. I mean, it just, I must tell you, it drives me crazy. I don't know what he doesn't understand

00:15:29.000 about people's fears. So I'm not sure. I don't know exactly what's going on there. It seems like

00:15:33.500 he was starting to say that he, what was he, he was in quarantine or something once when he was with,

00:15:39.980 when he was a parent of young children or I don't know exactly. I was kind of distracted because I

00:15:45.400 was more paying attention to his wife sitting next to him. And you could see the expression on her face

00:15:50.640 where she was, she was sort of thinking like, where is this going, Joe? Where is this going?

00:15:57.080 It's actually a look I'm very familiar with because my, I get that from my wife sometimes, 0.99

00:16:01.440 but I start saying something publicly and she kind of has this look like, okay, where is this headed?

00:16:09.080 Um, all right, let's, uh, let's stay on the theme of bizarre cable news interviews because these are,

00:16:14.200 these are fun. Here's the emperor of New Jersey, Emperor Murphy on Tucker Carlson last night. He made

00:16:20.000 a rather stunning admission. Watch. You made that decision. And as I noted before, 15 congregants

00:16:26.700 at a synagogue in New Jersey were arrested and charged for being in a synagogue together. Now,

00:16:33.260 the bill of rights, as you well know, protects Americans, right? And shrines their right to 0.98

00:16:39.640 practice their religion as they see fit and to congregate together to assemble peacefully.

00:16:44.800 By what authority did you nullify the bill of rights in issuing this order? How do you have

00:16:51.300 the power to do that? That's above my peg rate, Tucker. So I wasn't, uh, I wasn't thinking of the

00:16:56.940 bill of rights when we did this. We went to all, first of all, we looked at the data and the science

00:17:01.840 and it says, I wasn't thinking about the bill of rights. When I did this, that is, uh,

00:17:11.980 so that that's, that's some honesty right there. I appreciate the honesty. And of course I, we already

00:17:16.520 knew that it's, it's very clear that they're not thinking about the bill of rights when they come up

00:17:19.620 with these shutdowns. The fact that he, that he feels so, um, safe in, in saying that he has no

00:17:28.420 problem coming out and saying, I wasn't thinking about the bill of rights, bill of rights, schmill of

00:17:31.820 rights. That should concern us though. But it tells you exactly where, I mean, for all the people who

00:17:40.520 are still denying that our, our basic civil liberties are being infringed upon, uh, you know,

00:17:46.680 maybe just open your eyes and also your ears. Listen to what these people are saying.

00:17:51.880 They will tell you they are all, but telling us, yes, we are infringing on your civil liberties.

00:17:57.440 We are doing it. They're basically announcing it as they do it. And yet you still have morons out

00:18:03.500 there saying, what are you talking about? Our liberties aren't being infringed upon. He just 1.00

00:18:07.980 said, yeah, I didn't think about the bill of rights. So it's not relevant to what I'm doing.

00:18:13.780 Just like we've had cops saying, uh, you know, first amendment is non-essential.

00:18:18.460 Your rights are suspended. Five. Finally, Dr. Fauci did an interview on Snapchat's good luck

00:18:27.240 America, which is evidently a thing, uh, reading now from the New York post. It says toward the end

00:18:33.120 of the taped segment, Fauci was asked if you're swiping on a dating app like Tinder or Bumble or

00:18:37.780 Grindr, and you match with someone that you think is hot and you're just kind of like, maybe it's

00:18:43.460 fine. If this one stranger comes over, what do you say to that person? Okay. So we're asking,

00:18:48.160 um, Dr. Fauci for, uh, dating advice now, which why not? We, we, we already, we get economic

00:18:54.060 advice from him. We get all kinds of advice. Dr. Fauci is now our national guru who we go to for

00:18:59.680 advice on all topics because he's an all knowing, all seeing, omnipotent being. Um,

00:19:05.980 and, uh, he replied, you know, that's tough because that's what's called relative risk.

00:19:14.400 Then, then he dropped the bombshell. If you're willing to take a risk and you know, everybody

00:19:19.300 has their own tolerance for risks, you could figure out if you want to meet somebody. And then he added,

00:19:24.200 if you want to go a little bit more intimate, well, then that's your choice regarding a risk.

00:19:28.300 Okay. So first of all, Dr. Fauci has given you permission to have sexual relations with strangers. 0.71

00:19:34.480 So he's, he's given you, if you're going to him for permission, he's given it to you. Um,

00:19:38.300 because as I said, then of course we go to Dr. Fauci for really anything you want to do. Now you have

00:19:42.420 to go to Dr. Fauci. He'll tell you if you can do it or not. Um, is this consistent with everything

00:19:47.700 else he said? No, but you know, we can't expect him to be consistent. That's, that's no, he's,

00:19:53.840 he'll decide in the moment what's, what's the safest thing and what isn't. So we've got Dr.

00:19:59.280 Fauci saying, yeah, you know, if you want to have sex with a stranger, uh, you go ahead and do that. 0.52

00:20:05.460 Meanwhile, in some States, like in Michigan, you're not allowed to have your own family members 0.61

00:20:09.760 over just to visit for dinner. So you can't have, um, your parents over for dinner, but you can invite,

00:20:15.800 or we're told it's safe to invite a stranger over to have sex. That's makes a lot of sense, right? 0.92

00:20:21.680 Now let's, let's move on to your, uh, daily cancellation, but before we do, uh, a note

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00:21:37.720 canceling the people who claim that only white people can be racist. That whole school of thought

00:21:46.080 is officially canceled. And just to be clear, that is a very real school of thought. There are people

00:21:52.320 out there who not only believe this, but teach it. It's taught in schools. Um, many leftists believe

00:21:59.420 and will tell you if you ask them that racism is power plus prejudice. That's the equation.

00:22:05.620 And, um, only white people have power allegedly. So only they can be racist. And this holds true. 0.81

00:22:12.700 It doesn't matter. I mean, even when Barack Obama was president, according to this formulation,

00:22:18.660 he had no power. He was the most powerful man in the world, but he actually had no power because of

00:22:23.100 the color of his skin. And so you could be racist to him, but he couldn't be racist to you,

00:22:28.900 even though he's the president and you're just a peon. Right now, of course, all you have to do 0.96

00:22:36.060 really is open your eyes and look around and you can see that this is not the case and it's totally

00:22:40.500 insane. In fact, the very claim that racism is exclusive to white people is itself racism against

00:22:47.280 whites. So it's not hard to disprove, but here's one thing, one example that will be especially hard,

00:22:54.800 I think, for the only whites are racist crowd to navigate around. And that is China. Um, since, 0.74

00:23:02.300 you know, dumping on China is, is, is the popular thing to do right now. And for good reason, 1.00

00:23:06.240 they, they certainly deserve it. Let's, uh, let's add this into the mix. A McDonald's in China

00:23:11.280 actually recently tried to ban black people from entering the restaurant. Okay. Here's the BBC 1.00

00:23:17.340 report about the incident. It says, uh, McDonald's in China has apologized after a branch in the

00:23:22.780 industrial city of Guangzhou barred black people from entering a video shared on social media showed

00:23:29.240 a notice that read, we've been informed that from now on black people are not allowed to enter the 0.92

00:23:34.160 restaurant. McDonald's said that when it found out about the notice, it temporarily closed the

00:23:38.440 restaurant. Tensions have been running high between Africans and local people in the city.

00:23:42.560 Last week, hundreds of Africans in Guangzhou were evicted from hotels and apartments after online

00:23:47.460 rumors that coronavirus was spreading among African people. Guangzhou is a hub for African traders buying

00:23:53.200 and selling goods and is home to one of China's largest African communities. Um, and, uh, so on.

00:24:00.380 And it goes up there. Yeah, this, this is not very surprising. There have been many reports of

00:24:05.280 anti-black bigotry and violence, um, in response to the pandemic in China, which of course makes no

00:24:11.140 sense on a number of levels, starting with the fact that the virus started in China and because of

00:24:15.760 China, not in Africa, but then bigotry of course never really does make sense. But this is all in the

00:24:22.300 context of Chinese culture, which has a huge problem with racism, especially anti-black racism,

00:24:29.340 but, but also just racism in general. And Chinese culture is very racist. And this extends beyond 0.97

00:24:36.480 China. Anti-black bigotry is all over East Asia, South Asia, India, you know, um, anyone who has any

00:24:43.000 experience with any of these countries knows this and will tell you. It's the very large elephant in

00:24:49.100 the room. Whenever somebody is preaching about the unique evils of white racism, you've got Asia,

00:24:55.500 you know, the very big elephant in the room or on the globe anyway, where racism is extremely common

00:25:02.560 and socially acceptable. Um, here's another example. This is a, a Chinese ad for a, a laundry detergent.

00:25:11.220 Um, now I want you to watch this and think what kind of culture produces an ad like this watch.

00:25:18.720 uh,

00:25:30.320 uh,

00:25:35.620 uh,

00:25:37.200 uh,

00:25:39.780 uh,

00:25:43.360 now for anybody listening on itunes or soundcloud or something and you couldn't see the ad

00:26:04.680 just to describe it to you that was an ad chinese detergent and in the ad a black man

00:26:11.760 is um stuffed into a washing machine and when he's lifted out he's now chinese okay now um can you 0.93

00:26:21.920 imagine an ad like that in this country can you imagine like thai detergent putting out an ad like

00:26:28.120 that no you can't it could never happen i mean that could only exist in a country where racism

00:26:33.660 is open and acceptable a country like china and uh it's not just china by the way it's not just

00:26:41.040 asia either i mean the the the fact is while the left tries to make the the claim that the u.s

00:26:46.740 is is somehow the most racist country on earth the truth is probably exactly the opposite of that

00:26:52.600 now racism exists in this country obviously like it exists everywhere and always will but

00:26:57.940 it's not acceptable and being openly racist will get you ostracized in this country

00:27:03.400 and this is also in a country with more ethnic diversity than any other so it's not like it's

00:27:09.140 easy for us not to be racist because we're all the same race anyway now it's not something like

00:27:12.760 that it's we got a whole bunch of of ethnicities and races living in this country and um we do a

00:27:19.340 better job uh of uh with that and of of promoting diversity and of uh you know um getting rid of 0.99

00:27:32.620 racism than any other country does but you know of course you're not going to hear that from from

00:27:39.720 the left and and you need a they've got this very simplistic narrative and it's really easy and it's 0.96

00:27:47.240 convenient white people are evil white people are racist and so they have no choice but to ignore 0.97

00:27:53.120 you know the racism that happens all across the world among you know billions of people all across 0.99

00:27:58.460 the world all right uh let's go to emails and if you become a daily wire member you can always email

00:28:06.640 the show through the mailbag this is from tinus is the name that's with a t tinus i don't know if

00:28:16.340 that's his god if that's his christian name or not i'm not sure but he says dear matt i actually

00:28:22.160 don't mind the whole state-enforced mandatory mask wearing because they're just trying to keep us safe

00:28:26.360 and healthy but i don't wear one myself because they get in the way of my cigarettes so i i appreciate

00:28:32.660 that tinus and you know what i i also think that i i've said before we you know i think we can reopen

00:28:40.120 the economy and i think it makes sense at least in certain contexts and in certain industries for

00:28:46.420 there to be masks and you know even if you want to have a you know laws and policies in individual

00:28:52.340 places that require masks uh i don't i don't necessarily see a problem with that

00:28:57.680 as long as it's not overly onerous and as long as it makes sense now requiring somebody to have a mask

00:29:04.280 when they're walking down the street that doesn't make sense but in certain industries it might make

00:29:10.060 sense uh i mean the restaurant industry for example maybe so i don't have i don't really have a problem

00:29:16.500 with that but one of the the issues that i have one of the big issues is that only a month ago

00:29:24.760 the government was telling us don't wear masks not just telling us not to but scolding us for wearing

00:29:30.240 them and now they want to mandate them let's go to uh this is from sp it says i'm a homeschooling

00:29:37.760 parent going on two years do you think there's going to be a backlash against homeschooling due to

00:29:41.880 all the parents who have been currently forced into homeschooling because of covet 19 school closures

00:29:45.580 i recognize this issue is already under attack under normal circumstances and fear possible long-term

00:29:51.520 policy repercussions uh well there's you talk about a backlash from government policy or just from

00:30:00.720 the from society in general i think uh i think i think looking on the bright side of it i think that

00:30:07.700 there are going to be people who've been homeschooling during this and discover that you know it's not as

00:30:13.420 hard as they thought maybe they actually enjoy it i've actually heard from quite a few parents who've

00:30:18.060 told me this that they've been forced into becoming homeschool parents as all parents have across the

00:30:23.160 country and they said they they actually enjoy it and it's made them rethink the idea of homeschooling

00:30:29.660 so i think you might probably would be the opposite you're going to see an increase in homeschooling

00:30:34.480 it's going to become more popular um now will the government try to counteract that when they see

00:30:41.640 people they see parents pulling kids out of government schools is the government going to try to tamp down

00:30:47.380 on that to try to get their to try to get the their subjects back into the school classrooms i think

00:30:55.200 that's a very real possibility from chuck says hi matt you've been spending a lot of time criticizing the

00:30:59.780 government which i understand but i haven't heard you grapple with what the bible says about this to

00:31:03.400 remind you then he quotes let everyone be subject to the governing authorities for there is no authority

00:31:09.060 except that which god has established the authorities that exist have been established by god consequently

00:31:13.780 whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what god has instituted and those who do so

00:31:19.200 will be bring to judgment on themselves isn't it our responsibility he continues to listen to respect and

00:31:26.460 yes obey these shutdown orders even if we disagree with them isn't that what the bible says

00:31:31.560 all right well and that's uh romans 13 that he's quoting there of course

00:31:36.180 so chuck what i would say is i think there are two ways to interpret that passage that you just quoted

00:31:46.220 one is to interpret it broadly universally very literally and say it applies across the board

00:31:54.940 and uh basically every government is instituted instituted by god every government has the

00:32:00.440 authority of has divine authority in effect and so it is always wrong to disobey and to rebel against

00:32:07.480 the government you know you could interpret it that way all right the other way of interpreting it

00:32:12.920 is to understand it as something with limitations and um and to understand that the government can

00:32:19.940 actually lose its god-given authority and its moral authority and by losing its moral authority

00:32:26.600 it loses its god-given authority so those are the two ways generally speaking of interpreting it

00:32:30.940 now the problem yes if you interpret it the first way

00:32:35.040 then that would obviously apply to all these shutdowns

00:32:38.460 and all we could really do is now we could complain i guess but we have to go along with it

00:32:43.880 um you certainly can't defy it and i guess really we shouldn't even complain about it or speak out

00:32:50.040 against it because we have to believe that this you know these this is god-given authority and uh

00:32:54.920 they're doing what's best for us and so just cooperate and go along if you're going to go with the first

00:32:59.900 interpretation yes that is how you would approach the shutdowns the problem though i think is rather

00:33:04.620 obvious because if that's the case then that would apply that would have applied to the nazi government

00:33:10.760 in germany germany in the 1940s and we would have to say we would have to say that the nazi government

00:33:18.500 was instituted by god it had divine authority and anyone who disobeyed or rebelled against

00:33:25.420 you know the jews in the ghettos who rebelled against the government they were doing the wrong 1.00

00:33:30.700 thing they were doing something that was morally wrong and that their responsibility was just to get on

00:33:36.180 the the train cars and go to the concentration camp that's what you would have to say if you're

00:33:40.960 going with that first interpretation you would also have to say of course that our this country was

00:33:48.580 founded illegitimately because this country was founded on a rebellion against a governing authority

00:33:55.040 and that raises all kinds of questions because if that's the case then our government i guess is not

00:34:01.420 legitimate so does it have governing i i think by that interpretation maybe you would say this

00:34:05.880 government has no authority whatsoever because it was founded illegitimately by rebelling against

00:34:10.900 um the authorities that it was supposed to be subjected to so i i think this interpretation

00:34:20.640 becomes just morally obscene and illogical i think it's very clear it's self-evident that for example

00:34:31.680 the nazi government had no god-given authority whatsoever and that to rebel against it was

00:34:37.140 uh not only acceptable but was the morally right thing to do and was courageous

00:34:41.660 and um it's what god wanted

00:34:47.300 uh so that that to me just if if you want to make that argument you can

00:34:54.440 but um i think you're you're you're interpreting a biblical passage in a way that is morally obscene

00:35:00.260 and i i think we have to avoid doing that which leaves us with the second interpretation which

00:35:06.020 is there are some limitations on that and the government can lose its god-given authority

00:35:10.140 another example our government says that uh it's okay to kill babies like we talked about the

00:35:16.020 beginning of the show a million babies a year are killed legally and uh according to the interpretation

00:35:21.740 you're going with here it would seem that uh you know we we can't really defy that or rebel against it

00:35:27.300 and we just have to accept it because the government says it's okay to kill babies so therefore it is

00:35:32.940 i don't believe that i don't believe it for a second

00:35:36.660 there is an authority higher than the government right now we know that under normal circumstances

00:35:45.160 the government derives its authority from god but that means that god is of course above the government

00:35:48.940 and the government cannot overturn basic moral laws

00:35:54.320 so i i go with the fact that that there are limitations on that authority

00:36:00.240 and then it becomes a question of uh do these shutdowns exceed those limitations

00:36:07.500 and that's you know that's a that's a question open for debate

00:36:11.380 i think it does and my answer is yes i think it does

00:36:14.880 because the government itself is acting unlawfully

00:36:20.300 we know the way that our the way that our system is set up

00:36:25.160 the ultimate supreme legal authority is not just the opinion or the whim of a governor or a bureaucrat

00:36:31.880 or a senator or the president the ultimate legal authority is the constitution united states

00:36:37.080 and they are defying that so they are acting unlawfully

00:36:42.260 and therefore forfeiting their authority in my view

00:36:45.880 uh but it's uh it's an interesting discussion to have so i thank you for the email thanks

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00:37:36.320 the time is coming to start getting back to work trump says we can get it done

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The Matt Walsh Show - April 16, 2020

Ep. 467 - Saving Adults While Killing Children

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