The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 472 - The Attack On Parental Rights

00:00:00.000 Today on The Matt Walsh Show, an upcoming anti-homeschooling summit at Harvard, which we talked about a few days ago,

00:00:05.860 will be moderated by a professor who believes that, quote, the state confers legal parenthood.

00:00:12.240 And he is not alone in this view. The anti-homeschool position is an anti-parental rights position.

00:00:18.740 That's why it should concern so many of us, whether you're, whether you homeschool or not,

00:00:22.720 it should concern you as a parent that, especially in academia, this is such a common view.

00:00:27.520 So we'll talk about that. Also, five headlines, including Andrew Cuomo's absolutely deranged defense of the lockdown policy.

00:00:35.540 You got to hear this. And in our daily cancellation, I must play for you and discuss possibly the most disturbing video footage that you will ever see in your life.

00:00:43.720 And I don't mean that as a joke. It really is. So you got to stick around and see that.

00:00:47.260 But we start with homeschool.

00:00:49.660 Now, we talked at the beginning of the week about an article in Harvard magazine advocating a, quote,

00:00:55.140 presumptive ban on homeschooling for the reason that, according to the professor, the Harvard professor advocating it,

00:01:02.680 her reasons are that a lot of Christians do it, so it's bad. 1.00

00:01:06.560 And also, parents might abuse their kids. 0.99

00:01:09.340 Plus, homeschool parents are illiterate bumpkins. 0.97

00:01:11.760 And that is only a slight exaggeration of her argument.

00:01:16.900 Only slight.

00:01:18.140 But I went through and I responded to it on Monday or Tuesday or whenever that was.

00:01:21.560 So I'm not going to repeat all of that here.

00:01:24.260 Also, as I mentioned, attacks on homeschooling have ramped up in recent weeks.

00:01:30.700 And so there's a reason why we're seeing a lot of this stuff now,

00:01:33.200 because millions of parents are homeschooling for the first time because schools are closed.

00:01:38.300 And the elites in media and academia are worried, and I think for good reason worried,

00:01:44.140 that homeschool may become much more common and popular after this, which I think it will.

00:01:49.340 So they're trying to head that off at the pass by publishing articles and reports

00:01:53.780 talking about how bad and dangerous and difficult homeschooling is.

00:01:57.980 So we discussed the editorial in the Washington Post a few weeks ago,

00:02:01.660 arguing that homeschooling is, quote, setting back an entire generation of kids.

00:02:07.080 Kids are being set back because their own parents are teaching them things.

00:02:11.280 God forbid, if you can imagine.

00:02:12.960 But here's another example from today, before we get to the Harvard thing.

00:02:16.700 We'll get back to that.

00:02:17.380 But Time magazine published an article which details the horrors of teaching your kids at home.

00:02:24.540 Now, it's true.

00:02:26.140 I'll be the first to admit as a homeschool parent, although my wife does the vast majority of it.

00:02:31.080 But I can certainly attest that homeschooling can be difficult.

00:02:37.020 And I don't doubt that many parents are struggling with it right now.

00:02:40.260 Whether you are homeschooling for the first time or not, it's still a difficult thing,

00:02:44.040 especially as we try to get adjusted to all of this.

00:02:47.160 But there's a reason the media chooses to focus on this with an article like this titled,

00:02:55.020 I just can't do this.

00:02:56.500 Some overwhelmed parents are opting to abandon pandemic homeschooling.

00:03:01.380 There's a reason we get an article like that rather than an article with a title like,

00:03:06.200 this is easier than I thought.

00:03:07.800 Some happy parents will opt to keep homeschooling after the pandemic is over.

00:03:12.160 You're not going to see that article with a headline like that,

00:03:14.660 even though there are many parents who feel that way.

00:03:18.140 And I know that for a fact because I've talked to them.

00:03:21.480 So you're not going to see that.

00:03:22.280 Instead, we see this article.

00:03:23.360 Reading from the article says,

00:03:24.980 Frustration is mounting as more families across the U.S.

00:03:27.900 enter their second or even third week of distance learning,

00:03:30.760 and some overwhelmed parents say will be their last.

00:03:33.680 Amid the barrage of learning apps, video meetups, and email assignments that pass as pandemic homeschool,

00:03:39.420 some frustrated and exhausted parents are choosing to disconnect entirely for the rest of the academic year.

00:03:44.400 Others are cramming all their children's schoolwork into the weekend or taking days off to work there,

00:03:48.460 to help their kids with a week's worth of assignments in one day.

00:03:52.600 Alexandra Nicholson, whose son is in kindergarten, and she lives in Boston, said,

00:03:57.320 We tried to make it work the first week.

00:03:58.720 We put together a schedule.

00:03:59.980 What we found is that forcing a child who is that young into a fake teaching situation is really, really hard.

00:04:06.460 I'd rather have him watch classic Godzilla movies and play in the yard and pretend to be a Jedi rather than figure out basic math.

00:04:14.540 Then it goes through the various other parents who are feeling the same way.

00:04:20.560 Sarah Carpendy, 44, a mother of two middle schoolers in Roanoke, Virginia,

00:04:25.200 said the reality kicked in last week when spring break ended and home learning began.

00:04:28.900 Then Carpendy, a professor of wildlife biology at Virginia Tech, said,

00:04:34.800 I wanted to get into a fetal position and hide out.

00:04:39.100 Now, like I said, homeschooling is difficult.

00:04:44.060 But first of all, you know, a fake teaching environment, teaching your kid at home is a fake environment.

00:04:53.300 I would say it's not only not a fake environment, but it's the most natural environment for a child to learn that you could possibly have.

00:05:02.220 Even if you send your kid to public school, I would hope that you still are teaching them things at home.

00:05:06.920 I mean, you know, we have an official sort of homeschool, but then we teach the kids things all the time outside of that, just throughout the day.

00:05:16.800 It's a very natural environment.

00:05:20.560 But my point here is not to castigate these mothers, these overwhelmed mothers who were interviewed in the article.

00:05:27.440 The point is about finding these mothers and highlighting this sort of position or this thought process.

00:05:35.920 You know, why is the media focusing on this?

00:05:39.120 Rather than, as I said, talking about the experience of many other parents who are finding it, you know, difficult because it is,

00:05:47.440 but are also enjoying it and finding it fulfilling and thinking to themselves, you know, maybe I'll keep doing it.

00:05:52.580 Now, that brings us to Harvard and the effort among Ivy League professors and others in academia to regulate homeschool out of existence, if not ban it outright.

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00:07:48.060 Okay, so Harvard, advocating a homeschool ban, and we've talked about the magazine article.

00:07:55.620 They've also got this seminar coming up.

00:07:57.440 Now, this is important for us to pay attention to, because whether you homeschool or not, it should concern you that academia is filled with people who have a certain philosophy of parental rights.

00:08:08.080 And that's what this is really about.

00:08:09.720 Being anti-homeschool, as many of these people are, explicitly so, is to be anti-parental rights.

00:08:17.740 And this is the worldview that many in academia have, and then they try to pass it on to your children.

00:08:22.580 So, good example of this, the conference coming up at Harvard.

00:08:29.480 It's called Homeschooling Summit, Problems, Politics, and Prospects for Reform.

00:08:35.040 Here's a description from the website.

00:08:37.180 We will convene leaders in education and child welfare policy, legislators and legislative staff, academics and policy advocates,

00:08:43.000 to discuss child rights in connection with homeschooling in the United States.

00:08:46.600 The focus will be on problems of educational deprivation and child maltreatment that too often occur under the guise of homeschooling in a legal environment of minimal or no oversight.

00:08:58.400 Experts will lead conversations about the available empirical evidence, the current regulatory environment, proposals for legal reform, and strategies for effecting such reform.

00:09:07.320 Now, the speakers list, they've got speakers from Harvard, of course, Stanford, Georgetown, Columbia.

00:09:12.500 They've got doctors and bureaucrats.

00:09:14.280 So, this is a summit of people from academia, the medical industry, government, all of them coming together with the goal of figuring out how to stop people from homeschooling.

00:09:26.640 That's the thrust of it.

00:09:28.360 One speaker in particular really jumps out.

00:09:31.440 Professor James Dwyer of William and Mary Law School.

00:09:35.700 Now, James Dwyer is going to speak a few times at this summit.

00:09:38.500 During one of his times on stage, he's going to be moderating a debate about homeschooling.

00:09:44.840 And here's the debate, okay?

00:09:46.720 On one side of the debate will be this guy, Robert Koonsman, who advocates regulatory oversight.

00:09:53.640 And then on the other side, taking the stark opposite view will be Elizabeth Bartholet, who advocates a ban on homeschooling. 0.99

00:10:03.680 So, this is the kind of intellectual diversity that you get in the Ivy League.

00:10:08.120 One side says, homeschooling is bad, let's regulate it.

00:10:12.440 The other side says, homeschooling is really bad, let's ban it.

00:10:17.580 And this will be moderated, as I said, by James Dwyer.

00:10:20.420 If you want to know about James Dwyer, here he is.

00:10:23.640 I think this tells you everything you need to know about the guy.

00:10:26.140 Here he is.

00:10:26.660 This is from an episode of Michelle Malkin Investigates.

00:10:29.640 And here's Dwyer giving his theory, not just on homeschooling, but on parenthood itself.

00:10:37.420 Listen to this.

00:10:38.920 The state needs to be the ultimate guarantor of a child's well-being.

00:10:44.060 There's just no alternative to that.

00:10:46.240 The reason parent-child relationships exist is because the state confers legal parenthood on people through its paternity and maternity laws.

00:10:54.660 That's the state that is empowering parents to do anything with children, to take them home, to have custody, and to make any kind of decisions about that.

00:11:02.540 The state is the ultimate guarantor of a child's well-being.

00:11:06.380 The state confers legal parenthood. 0.91

00:11:08.460 The state allows the parent to make decisions for their families.

00:11:13.460 This, I remind you, is not some random wacko. 0.80

00:11:16.420 I mean, he is a wacko, but not a random one. 0.62

00:11:18.700 He is a professor at a prestigious law school.

00:11:20.560 He is advocating a philosophy of parenthood that is shared by many other members of academia at these elite institutions of supposed higher learning.

00:11:31.060 I want you to really think about the implications of this view, that the state confers parenthood.

00:11:39.560 Confers means, of course, to grant or bestow.

00:11:42.800 So, the act of conceiving, bearing, birthing, and raising a child, according to this view, doesn't make you a parent.

00:11:53.400 That's almost irrelevant to the question.

00:11:55.360 The state grants that label.

00:11:59.840 The state decides.

00:12:01.640 Your rights as a parent are subordinate to the interests of the state, which is to say you have no rights, really, as a parent, actually.

00:12:08.820 Parenting is a privilege, like operating a motor vehicle on a highway is similar to that.

00:12:15.780 It can be, it's a privilege, not a right.

00:12:17.320 It can be granted or rescinded at the pleasure of the state for really any reason.

00:12:22.020 This means that the state has a right to your child.

00:12:28.600 More of a right than you do, because you have none.

00:12:31.240 So, on this view, when you refuse to send, this is really the issue, as far as these people are concerned.

00:12:38.380 When you refuse to send your child to public school, you are depriving the state of what rightfully belongs to it.

00:12:45.780 If you've ever wondered why some people, especially people like this, take homeschooling so personally, and get so offended about it,

00:12:54.840 is because they think, they look at a child as property of the state.

00:13:01.580 And when you don't send your kid to school, you are stealing property from the state.

00:13:06.300 That's how they see it.

00:13:07.060 So, there's about as stark a philosophical difference as you're going to find here.

00:13:15.120 And this is probably the fundamental philosophical difference, or one of them, between, because you have, you know, you've got this view.

00:13:25.140 Meanwhile, you have any conservative worthy of the name believes that the family is the foundational institution of human civilization.

00:13:33.700 It is the most basic, most important institution.

00:13:38.420 It is the institution from which society springs.

00:13:45.040 It's the most powerful institution, and rightfully so.

00:13:48.900 Wherever the family goes, so goes civilization.

00:13:54.240 Meanwhile, Dwyer and his professor friends, and indeed many leftists, believe that the state is the foundational institution.

00:14:01.860 And that everything springs from the state, and everything goes back to the state.

00:14:07.740 This is why, I think, many of the arguments we make in defense of homeschooling, the arguments that I made in defense of homeschooling earlier in the week,

00:14:16.480 or the arguments that, you know, you would make, most people make, really have no purchase with these pro-banning, pro-oversight people.

00:14:25.860 Because the arguments to them are irrelevant.

00:14:27.800 You know, my whole point, in essence, was that homeschooling can often be better for the child.

00:14:33.360 That's my defense of it.

00:14:34.520 I think it's, in many cases, it is a better environment, a better situation for the child.

00:14:40.880 And I gave my reasons for that.

00:14:42.500 But what Dwyer would say, if he's being honest, is that it doesn't actually matter what's better for the child.

00:14:47.460 That's not the point.

00:14:48.460 This is about the power of the state, and the state claiming what rightfully belongs to it.

00:14:53.500 Here's the problem, as far as Dwyer and his ilk see it.

00:14:59.100 If you have parental rights, and you are allowed to teach your kids, and raise them as you see fit,

00:15:05.460 then they might not become the right sort of people.

00:15:09.760 And by the right sort of person, what we mean is the sort of person that Dwyer and other college professors think he should be.

00:15:15.960 So, he's very concerned that so many people have values and ideas and beliefs and customs that he personally finds objectionable.

00:15:24.680 This is a big problem to him.

00:15:26.780 How do you solve it?

00:15:27.760 Well, you have the state step in, take control, mold the child into the right sort of person.

00:15:34.200 I think there's another important point to be made here about this idea of parental rights.

00:15:40.420 And I'll make that point in just a second.

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00:17:05.980 Okay, one other quick point about this parental rights thing.

00:17:10.460 It's, of course, this is the point.

00:17:12.860 It's not just about the parent.

00:17:15.400 It's about the child.

00:17:16.800 And this is also an issue of the child's rights.

00:17:19.200 The child has a right to be raised by and in the care of their parents, people who love them, and have their best interests in mind.

00:17:35.220 Yeah, that's another problem with this idea that the state is the guarantor of a child's rights and so on.

00:17:42.960 And the state is the primary authority over a child.

00:17:50.220 The state, despite what you may hear from leftists or the way they talk about the state, the state, there's no love there.

00:17:56.880 Okay?

00:17:57.040 You can't find love.

00:17:58.680 You can't find care and concern and compassion.

00:18:04.340 That's not what the state does.

00:18:05.900 As far as the state's concerned, you're just a number.

00:18:10.300 You're a statistic.

00:18:13.820 To actually be recognized as a human being, that requires something that is far more localized, human-to-human relationship.

00:18:28.220 And for a child, that requires the love between a parent and a child.

00:18:33.540 A child has a right to that.

00:18:36.620 So this is also about the child's rights.

00:18:38.480 Now, it's true that, of course, a parent's parental rights are not absolute.

00:18:46.080 If you are abusive to your child, you know, if you abuse your child physically, sexually, in any other way, then you will lose those rights as well you should.

00:18:54.520 But why do you lose those rights?

00:18:56.060 It's not because you have infringed on the rights of the state and have damaged the property of the state so now they can come in and reclaim their property.

00:19:06.860 No, it's that you have infringed on the rights of your own child.

00:19:11.600 And when you do that, then you can lose your parental rights, as you should.

00:19:19.620 But in that case, the state comes in.

00:19:23.220 Out of necessity, the state's going to come in, in that case, in a situation like that, and take the child out of that situation.

00:19:32.960 And ideally, this is going to be very temporary.

00:19:36.880 The child is not going to become a ward of the state indefinitely in an ideal situation.

00:19:41.300 This is just a temporary measure until the child is put into a different situation, hopefully in an ideal situation, given to another family member.

00:19:50.700 And then the state steps out again.

00:19:56.380 This is kind of a, it's a necessary evil in those cases to have the state come in.

00:20:01.380 And the reason I call it a necessary evil is because we know the state is often very bad at this.

00:20:07.600 And there are plenty of times when kids are being abused and the state does nothing, even if it had many occasions to step in, it doesn't.

00:20:17.600 So it's very ineffective.

00:20:18.560 And then there are other times when the state says that a child's being abused when, in fact, they're not.

00:20:23.520 So it's a very ineffective method, but it's the only option we have in a case where a child's being abused.

00:20:30.540 But that, again, is about the child's rights.

00:20:32.840 It's not about the state's rights.

00:20:34.060 All right, let's move on to headlines.

00:20:38.280 Number one, this I thought was pretty remarkable just because it's rare that you get to hear someone who is so wrong in so many ways in the span of just a minute and a half.

00:20:46.680 So this is really packing a lot of wrongness in to about 90 seconds.

00:20:50.560 Governor Cuomo at a press conference was asked whether he's concerned that maybe the cure is worse than the disease when it comes to the coronavirus

00:20:58.420 because the collapsing of the economy may take a toll, may exact a cost in human suffering that is worse than what would have happened had he not been locked down.

00:21:08.060 That was the question.

00:21:09.240 Just paraphrasing it.

00:21:10.780 And here was his response.

00:21:13.760 The cure can't be worse than the illness itself.

00:21:17.560 What is your response to that?

00:21:19.120 The illness is death.

00:21:21.440 What is worse than death?

00:21:23.200 What if somebody commits suicide because they can't pay their bills?

00:21:26.660 Yeah, but the illness is maybe my death as opposed to your death.

00:21:33.320 You said, they said, the cure is worse than the illness.

00:21:38.420 The illness is death.

00:21:41.320 How can the cure be worse than the illness if the illness is potential death?

00:21:47.680 But what if the economy failing is equals death?

00:21:54.060 Because of mental illness, the people stuck at home.

00:21:58.340 No, it doesn't.

00:21:59.600 It doesn't equal death.

00:22:01.900 Economic hardship.

00:22:03.740 Yes.

00:22:04.320 Very bad.

00:22:05.340 Not death.

00:22:07.740 Emotional stress from being locked in a house.

00:22:10.540 Very bad.

00:22:11.380 Not death.

00:22:16.000 Domestic violence on the increase.

00:22:18.160 Very bad.

00:22:20.500 Not death.

00:22:22.480 And not death of someone else.

00:22:25.680 See, that's what we have to factor into this equation.

00:22:29.220 Yeah, it's your life.

00:22:30.600 Do whatever you want.

00:22:32.760 But you're not responsible for my life.

00:22:36.800 You have a responsibility to me.

00:22:39.060 It's not just about you.

00:22:41.320 You have a responsibility to me.

00:22:43.140 Okay, so many problems here.

00:22:47.120 Where to even begin?

00:22:50.040 First of all, the illness is not death.

00:22:55.060 The illness does not equal death.

00:22:57.580 He kept saying that.

00:22:58.600 The illness is death.

00:23:00.340 No, it's not.

00:23:00.940 The illness is an illness.

00:23:02.100 It doesn't equal death.

00:23:04.520 The illness could lead to death.

00:23:06.840 But for the illness to equal death, the mortality rate would have to be 100%.

00:23:12.580 It is not.

00:23:13.800 As it happens, the mortality rate is significantly under 100%.

00:23:17.300 It's probably under 1%.

00:23:19.740 It could be higher, but it could potentially be much lower.

00:23:22.860 We don't exactly know.

00:23:24.160 But we do know that around 99% of people who contract the virus survive.

00:23:30.500 And that's relevant because we're not talking about a death sentence.

00:23:33.320 The illness does not equal death.

00:23:35.100 Despite what Governor Cuomo says there.

00:23:38.240 Second, he says that nothing could be worse than death.

00:23:41.500 Well, that's just not true.

00:23:43.720 I mean, that's true if you believe that literally the only point of life is self-preservation.

00:23:50.600 Which would mean the only point of life is just to continue living.

00:23:53.620 To continue breathing for as long as possible.

00:23:56.380 Which means that the point of life is that effectively it has no point.

00:23:59.640 If the only point of life is just to keep living for its own sake, then it has no fundamental point whatsoever.

00:24:07.160 It's just this self-perpetuating thing and there's no reason for it to perpetuate other than the fact that it perpetuates.

00:24:12.640 So, no, to pretend that there couldn't possibly be anything worse than death is obviously absurd and not true.

00:24:26.240 And, you know, also we talked about this on the backstage last night, if you were watching.

00:24:31.380 We can't pretend that quality of life doesn't matter.

00:24:39.380 That liberty doesn't matter.

00:24:40.820 I mean, these things matter.

00:24:41.720 So, this idea that we could destroy the quality of life for millions of people, cause them great suffering, we could take away their rights and liberties, and we can do all that.

00:24:54.940 And it's okay to do that if we save even one person.

00:24:58.700 As long as those measures don't themselves directly kill people, and as a result, some other people do live, then automatically it's justified.

00:25:10.120 Well, that's just not true.

00:25:10.920 And, of course, we also know that these measures are killing people.

00:25:14.420 We talked yesterday about the UN is warning 150 million people globally are going to be on the brink of starvation because of these lockdowns and the recession and the disruption of the supply chain and everything else.

00:25:24.920 So, these measures are killing people, probably a lot more people than the coronavirus would kill.

00:25:29.300 But even aside from that, it's just not true.

00:25:33.280 Well, if you could save, if removing liberty from millions of people, destroying their livelihood, taking their businesses away, their jobs away, and everything, if it saves one person, it's automatically worth it.

00:25:43.720 No, wrong.

00:25:44.600 It's not.

00:25:45.780 Third, he says, amazingly, he says that domestic violence and economic hardship don't lead to death.

00:25:50.880 Fourth, I was waiting for him to say that suicide doesn't lead to death either.

00:25:55.600 This is just obviously absurd, and I don't think I need to explain why.

00:25:58.200 Fourth, he says that going back to work is selfish because it's not just about you.

00:26:02.160 Okay, well, what about locking down the economy to protect certain populations of people, thereby causing other people to lose everything and end up destitute?

00:26:11.920 Couldn't the person who is losing everything say to the people we've locked down to protect, couldn't that person say, it's not just about you, it's also about me?

00:26:22.140 So, couldn't this logic work the other way as well?

00:26:25.200 So, this is simply a remarkable, almost machine gun, rapid fire delivery of falsehoods and fallacies from Cuomo.

00:26:34.240 Number two, on the theme of Democrats saying insane things on video, here is this.

00:26:40.580 There's a lot that we could be doing right now, but ultimately, I think when we talk about this idea of reopening society,

00:26:49.840 you know, only in America does the president, when the president tweets about liberation, does he mean go back to work?

00:26:58.200 When we, you know, have this discussion about going back or reopening, I think a lot of people should just say, no, we're not going back to that.

00:27:08.100 We're not going back to working 70-hour weeks just so that we could put food on the table and not even feel any sort of semblance of security in our lives.

00:27:20.180 So, the congresswoman who is still working and getting paid says that low-wage workers shouldn't go back to work. 1.00

00:27:27.640 It must be nice to have that kind of privilege, where you can sit back pontificating about economic theories and so on,

00:27:34.460 suggesting that workers shouldn't go back to work.

00:27:37.820 It's very easy if you're in Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's position, isn't it?

00:27:42.180 This is like somebody moving along the line at a buffet, you know, filling his plate with chicken wings and macaroni and cheese,

00:27:50.900 saying, talking about the power of a hunger strike, saying that, you know, people should really go on a hunger strike over this.

00:27:57.980 Yeah, it's very easy to say.

00:27:59.420 By the way, working for a living, earning an income, that is liberating.

00:28:04.460 That is, there is dignity in that.

00:28:07.680 There are a lot of people who want to work for a living.

00:28:10.780 I know that might be shocking to somebody like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, but there are people who want to do that.

00:28:17.560 There are people who would much prefer to work for a living than to be handed money from the government.

00:28:24.640 It's amazing to me all these people that say, well, it's okay, you could take away someone's livelihood, their job, their business, whatever,

00:28:30.200 because the government's giving them checks anyway.

00:28:32.260 Well, first of all, there are a lot of people who need the checks who aren't getting them.

00:28:36.440 And many of the people who are getting the checks, it's not nearly enough.

00:28:39.900 $1,200 isn't enough to subsidize the lives of entire families for weeks on end.

00:28:47.860 It's not even close to enough.

00:28:50.300 But even if it was enough, it tells me something about you, if you think that that's an even trade.

00:29:00.440 Take, for example, a man who's working and has a job.

00:29:03.320 He's proud of his job.

00:29:04.860 He's worked to get to the position that he is.

00:29:07.260 He's honed his craft.

00:29:09.720 And he's supporting his family.

00:29:11.680 He's proud that he's supporting his family.

00:29:13.340 And then you come in and you take all that from him and you hand them a check from the government and you say, see, no harm, no foul.

00:29:22.940 That just tells me something about you that you don't understand why a man may much prefer to go to work and earn that money and bring it back to his family to feed his kids and support his family.

00:29:37.260 If you don't understand that, that's, again, that just tells me something about your character.

00:29:43.340 Number three, leftists are having a ball today, passing along, sharing.

00:29:48.680 I've seen this photo all over the place.

00:29:50.580 It's a photo from an anti-lockdown protest in Tennessee.

00:29:53.840 So take a look at it here.

00:29:55.920 It's, as you can see, somebody at a protest holding a sign that says, sacrifice the weak.

00:30:02.500 And people are sharing this and saying, you see these anti-lockdown people? 1.00

00:30:05.820 They're a bunch of murderous, nihilistic, suicidal lunatics. 1.00

00:30:09.560 This proves it. 1.00

00:30:10.420 This proves my point.

00:30:11.420 And the media, of course, has put this photo front and center in their articles about all the lockdown protests.

00:30:19.060 They take this photo.

00:30:19.920 And, of course, this photo now is representative of the entire movement.

00:30:23.700 The people taking this sign at face value, I'm not sure exactly what the most charitable interpretation of them is. 0.97

00:30:32.280 Because either they are extremely, extremely stupid, and they really think that this is a genuine protester who really feels this way. 1.00

00:30:43.860 Or they know better, but they're pretending and then they're liars. 1.00

00:30:46.820 So I'm not sure. 1.00

00:30:47.340 Either they're extremely dumb or they're liars. 1.00

00:30:49.180 Or maybe a combination of the two. 1.00

00:30:50.440 Obviously, obviously, this is a troll who made that sign to parody and discredit the movement, which is not some crazy conspiracy theory.

00:31:03.300 It doesn't require a conspiracy.

00:31:04.400 It just requires one dude to make a sign and go hold it on the sidewalk.

00:31:09.300 Okay?

00:31:09.580 That's it.

00:31:10.180 And it's very clear that this is not someone who is actually a friend of the anti-lockdown position.

00:31:18.440 Pretty good rule of thumb here.

00:31:20.260 If you see somebody at a protest holding a sign that happens coincidentally, conveniently, to helpfully vindicate the most absurd caricature of the movement that is presented by the other side,

00:31:35.660 well, that's a very good indication that the person doesn't actually support the movement.

00:31:40.180 If you're looking at pictures of a protest, and it's a protest that you disagree with, and you see one sign that just happens to fit right in to your cartoonish view of this movement you disagree with,

00:31:59.200 well, if you're a person of intellectual integrity, you're going to stop for a minute and say,

00:32:02.400 I don't know, this is a little bit too good to be true.

00:32:05.080 And we know that this is something people are doing.

00:32:11.940 You remember that fake flyer for a fake rally in New York telling sick people to come out?

00:32:16.460 That was totally fake.

00:32:17.400 It was not something, it was not a rally that was, it wasn't even a real rally at all.

00:32:21.860 Nobody showed up to it.

00:32:23.680 So we know that people are doing this.

00:32:25.660 And it's pretty clear to me this is an example. 0.57

00:32:27.320 Now, of course, look, there's like a 1% chance, I suppose, that that's a genuine protester who's insane. 0.73

00:32:34.680 So that could be a real crazy person.

00:32:36.420 But it's like a 1% chance, 99% chance or more that that, of course, is just a troll.

00:32:43.040 Another dead giveaway, if the sign itself is not a giveaway, the fact that he's wearing a disguise.

00:32:47.980 He's wearing a mask and sunglasses.

00:32:53.480 He doesn't want to be seen on camera.

00:32:56.280 You notice a lot of the other protesters aren't wearing masks.

00:32:58.860 That's one of the complaints that the anti-protest people have, is that these guys are showing up at the rallies not wearing masks.

00:33:08.940 The one guy who comes with a mask, also sunglasses, happens to be holding this crazy sign.

00:33:14.540 What does that tell you?

00:33:15.500 Now, if you're wondering why people are actually protesting, here's a report from the local ABC affiliate.

00:33:24.080 And I think this gives us a better view of it.

00:33:26.840 Watch this.

00:33:27.360 The signs say it all.

00:33:30.360 These Tennesseans want Governor Lee to open up the state, especially small businesses, now.

00:33:35.600 Greg and Zeta Sorrell have both been out of work for several weeks because of COVID-19 restrictions.

00:33:40.540 I'm brave enough to go to work and I'm brave enough to, you know, be near my fellow humans.

00:33:45.520 And I hate that we have to see each other as a disease now.

00:33:48.500 I appreciate people who want to, you know, quarantine and who can afford to do it.

00:33:53.700 And, you know, who can make that sacrifice and do that, that's great.

00:33:58.340 I appreciate it.

00:33:59.780 I think you're free to do it.

00:34:01.780 I should be free to not do it.

00:34:03.760 Adrienne Hitch owns a hair salon in Hendersonville.

00:34:06.420 She says the state hasn't helped her with unemployment and she didn't get a small business administration loan before the funding ran out.

00:34:12.980 We have no problem being shut down, but we can't afford to stay shut down if we don't have some kind of an income coming in.

00:34:19.260 State Representative Bruce Griffey recently sent a letter to Governor Lee urging him to open the economy immediately.

00:34:25.640 He says we'll face dire consequences if that doesn't happen.

00:34:28.700 He also says it's not fair that big box stores like Lowe's and the Home Depot get to stay open while so many small businesses had to close.

00:34:37.100 I just don't think it's fair for the government to put winners and losers on this unless you've got a real good firm basis of why a specific business should not operate.

00:34:48.240 Many of the people at today's rally weren't wearing face masks or socially distancing from others.

00:34:53.600 Okay, now, did those people seem like suicidal nihilists to you?

00:34:56.200 This is the same protest that the guy with the Sacrifice the Week sign was at.

00:35:03.260 But what do you think?

00:35:05.140 The people that were interviewed, no, they seem like perfectly reasonable individuals.

00:35:09.160 Even saying, they're saying, look, I think it's great to quarantine if you want to do that.

00:35:14.180 I'm not saying you shouldn't.

00:35:15.940 But I need to work to feed my family.

00:35:17.740 That's it.

00:35:18.660 That's a reasonable position.

00:35:20.740 And that's how most anti-lockdown people feel.

00:35:24.000 None of them are saying Sacrifice the Week.

00:35:27.160 Because that's the cartoon of the movement that people on the other side have drawn.

00:35:31.960 Number four, speaking of why people are protesting, the new jobless numbers are in.

00:35:35.080 About 4.5 million additional people applied for unemployment last week.

00:35:38.540 That brings our total to almost 27 million.

00:35:42.140 And as I always remind you, that's just the tip of the iceberg.

00:35:45.540 Doesn't count many millions of other unemployed people.

00:35:47.880 But now we're at 27 million.

00:35:49.340 By next week, it's going to be 30 million.

00:35:51.100 More than 30 million.

00:35:52.080 We're looking at, in fact, right now it's probably more than 30 million.

00:35:56.200 But the numbers don't come out until a week later.

00:35:58.720 Number five, here's a refreshing change of pace.

00:36:01.260 Rather than talking about the coronavirus, let's talk about a different disease.

00:36:06.260 Change it up a little bit.

00:36:07.160 Chipotle has agreed to pay a $25 million fine, which apparently is a record,

00:36:12.120 because it served tainted food that sickened over 1,000 people.

00:36:17.120 But the fun thing is, like I said, this is not the coronavirus.

00:36:19.700 This was actually, well, it was various things.

00:36:21.760 E. coli, food poisoning, a lot of intestinal type stuff.

00:36:24.760 So we're giving the lungs a break, and we're moving on to a disease lower down in the body.

00:36:32.260 Honestly, I don't blame Chipotle for this.

00:36:34.260 This is on the customers.

00:36:35.540 Because, and most people, I thought, knew this.

00:36:38.560 When you go to Chipotle, and I love Chipotle, and I'll keep going to Chipotle.

00:36:42.180 But you have to tell them to hold the E. coli.

00:36:45.520 Because otherwise, how are they supposed to know you don't want it?

00:36:48.300 So I always say, you know, let me get the burrito, pinto beans, chicken, hot salsa, guac, corn, cheese, lettuce.

00:36:57.640 No sour cream, because putting a dairy product on a burrito is disgusting. 0.87

00:37:01.480 Who does that?

00:37:02.060 Well, cheese is a dairy product, but, you know, that doesn't count.

00:37:05.980 But then you have to say, no E. coli, please.

00:37:08.260 Hold the E. coli.

00:37:09.360 Now, on occasion, I'll say, could you just sprinkle a dash of food poisoning?

00:37:13.240 Just a little bit, not too much.

00:37:15.200 But generally, I tell them to hold it, and you have to be able to do that.

00:37:17.840 All right, let's go to your daily cancellation.

00:37:22.360 I've been trying to put off playing this video because it's so disturbing and grotesque.

00:37:28.060 But we just talked about food poisoning, so I think it kind of works.

00:37:31.940 There's a natural transition here.

00:37:34.200 If you haven't seen this video, I have to warn you, and I mean this sincerely, it's a serious thing, not trying to be funny.

00:37:40.960 But this is, this video, it may be the most disturbing and grotesque thing that I have ever seen on the internet, which, of course, is saying quite a lot.

00:37:48.200 So, if you have kids with you right now as you're watching this, then I would say maybe wait until they're in bed later, come back and watch it.

00:37:54.640 Probably not appropriate for them.

00:37:56.640 But, here it is.

00:37:59.440 We need mayonnaise, we need cheese, and we need good old-fashioned tuna.

00:38:07.140 Let's get at it, all right?

00:38:08.940 First of all, two pieces of bread.

00:38:11.020 Put them out on the plate.

00:38:13.700 Open up the mayonnaise.

00:38:16.320 I love mayo.

00:38:17.080 I know my kids hate mayo, but make sure you get plenty on both sides.

00:38:25.000 Next, comes the important part, the tuna.

00:38:32.720 My personal preference is chicken with a C.

00:38:34.900 You've got to make sure you distribute this evenly across the bread in a way that's even and appropriate.

00:38:46.160 Again, if you're having trouble keeping up, you can pause because the placement of the tuna is very important.

00:38:53.140 Next, your favorite cheese.

00:38:56.060 For me, medium cheddar.

00:38:57.880 I'm a two-sliced man.

00:38:59.960 Put this on the other side of the bread.

00:39:04.600 Put it in.

00:39:05.860 You need a heating device.

00:39:07.120 I'm going with the MVP-5.

00:39:09.700 One of my old favorites.

00:39:11.000 Usually about 30 seconds.

00:39:19.000 Shocking.

00:39:20.640 Disturbing.

00:39:21.400 Grotesque.

00:39:22.800 That was Senator Mark Warner of Virginia, I believe, giving a tutorial on how to make a tuna melt.

00:39:28.560 But instead of showing us how to make a tuna melt, he really showed us how to commit a crime against humanity.

00:39:36.660 I don't even know where to begin here. 0.78

00:39:38.540 First of all, what sort of demented psycho lunatic dumps the tuna right on the bread without mixing it first? 0.89

00:39:47.240 Not only that, but he doesn't even drain it. 0.82

00:39:48.940 So the tuna water is leaking all over the bread, making it soggy.

00:39:56.140 And then he puts about 47 tablespoons of mayo all over the bread so that there's more mayo than tuna. 0.73

00:40:03.700 And then he puts the whole damn thing, mayo bread tuna, in the microwave for 30 seconds. 0.92

00:40:07.760 And remember, the mayo is not mixed with the tuna. 0.99

00:40:11.940 So it's going to be, it's going to come out scalding.

00:40:13.920 Think about mayo for 30 seconds in the microwave.

00:40:16.420 That's a long time.

00:40:17.300 I mean, mayo for any amount of time in the microwave is too much.

00:40:19.840 But 30 seconds.

00:40:21.260 It's going to come out scalding hot.

00:40:24.100 You're going to have this scalding hot, magma-like mayo dripping all over pungent, hot tuna,

00:40:29.820 encased in soggy, warm, tuna-water-soaked bread and dripping with cheese.

00:40:36.980 My God in heaven, deliver us from evil.

00:40:40.580 In Jesus' name, have mercy.

00:40:43.120 And just think, this man was elected to political office. 0.97

00:40:45.900 He is a deranged nihilist who likes to eat soggy, warm, fish-flavored bread. 0.98

00:40:52.800 And yet somehow this maniac was elected a United States senator, which just goes to show, 0.98

00:40:58.760 and I've been saying this for years. 0.82

00:41:00.180 You know I've been saying this.

00:41:01.060 I've said it so many times.

00:41:02.260 One of the first questions that they should ask at a debate is,

00:41:07.680 the first question they should pose to candidates is,

00:41:10.180 how do you prepare your tuna sandwiches?

00:41:12.580 Because you could tell so much about someone based on that.

00:41:15.240 And I also recommend on a first date, that should be your first question as well.

00:41:19.860 So Mark Warner is canceled.

00:41:24.100 Now, we're going to move on.

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00:42:31.340 Let's see.

00:42:32.000 This is from Justin says,

00:42:34.820 Hi, Matt.

00:42:35.240 I disagree with your previous assertions regarding personality tests, particularly the Myers-Briggs.

00:42:40.800 I have taken this test many times over the course of almost a decade and have gotten the same result every time.

00:42:45.900 You argue that these tests are merely a reflection of the kind of person you wish you were, not who you actually are.

00:42:51.800 While aspirational personality traits may influence some people when taking the test,

00:42:56.560 many people take the test, honestly, to get deeper insights into just what their personality is,

00:43:01.940 but also why they are the way they are.

00:43:04.200 I wish I was more extroverted and less moody, but I still get classified as an introvert with an inclination for feeling overthinking every time.

00:43:12.880 The various descriptions and explanations of my personality type have also been consistently accurate,

00:43:16.900 not just to me, but others who know me.

00:43:18.900 This includes both positives and negatives of my personality type.

00:43:21.760 Okay.

00:43:22.160 Well, but this, Justin, it just, this just raises a question.

00:43:27.440 No, I still think that the problem with personality tests is that in many cases, people are putting in,

00:43:32.500 now you may be very honest about it, but I think you're probably an exception.

00:43:34.780 I think most people put in the personality traits that they wish they exhibited.

00:43:38.640 Part of that is a lack of self-awareness.

00:43:42.800 So they don't do it on purpose.

00:43:45.000 But to take a personality test, honestly, here's the issue.

00:43:49.060 To take a personality test and get an accurate result requires self-awareness, okay?

00:43:57.360 But if you have self-awareness, then you already know.

00:44:00.300 You're aware of yourself.

00:44:01.320 You already know what kind of personality you have.

00:44:02.980 So what's the point of the test?

00:44:04.000 You said you've taken it multiple times and you get the same result.

00:44:07.200 Why do you keep taking the test?

00:44:08.460 You obviously know who you are, so I don't understand.

00:44:11.220 Why do you want to take a test so that the test can tell you what sort of person you are when you already know it?

00:44:16.860 Either you don't already know what kind of person you are, so you lack self-awareness,

00:44:20.400 so the test isn't going to work because you're not going to be answering the questions honestly,

00:44:23.300 or at least accurately.

00:44:25.480 Or you do have self-awareness, so you already know what's the point.

00:44:30.020 I just, I don't get it.

00:44:31.640 Just look in a mirror.

00:44:32.800 It just seems a lot more efficient if you want to know what you're all about.

00:44:38.560 This is from Jennifer.

00:44:39.480 Jennifer, I sent you this comment several months ago and feel I must now give you personal anecdotes of weird homeschool kids.

00:44:47.760 Example one, there was a guy who I went to college with who was homeschooled through middle school.

00:44:51.860 His hair was unkempt and he would sit on top of the fridge in the union to do his homework.

00:44:56.240 Is this normal?

00:44:57.700 No.

00:44:59.080 You may think this is cruel, but he dressed like he was raised in a barn.

00:45:01.900 No sense of style whatsoever.

00:45:03.340 Example two, there was another guy who I also went to college with who was homeschooled through middle school as well. 0.94

00:45:08.000 He often made inappropriate penis jokes that apparently were super funny to his brother at home,

00:45:14.420 but certainly were not in a co-ed environment. 0.97

00:45:16.760 Oh yeah, because you never, kids in public school would never make jokes like that.

00:45:19.720 It would never happen. 0.95

00:45:20.680 It's not like every single bathroom stall you walk into at a public school is decorated with pictures of genitalia. 0.97

00:45:27.520 No, that's the thing only homeschoolers would do. 0.98

00:45:31.300 She goes on,

00:45:32.740 These two were homeschooled and were the weirdest people I met in college.

00:45:35.160 I guarantee they would have acted more socially acceptable had they gone to public slash private school.

00:45:39.000 I have more examples, but I think these are sufficient for now.

00:45:41.300 I guarantee there are many other who have similar stories.

00:45:43.960 You may disagree, but there's a stereotype for a reason.

00:45:46.340 Well, Jennifer, this just, I assume you were not homeschooled because of your view of homeschoolers.

00:45:52.200 So this just tells me, really, I mean, it just tells me something about you and maybe about public schoolers,

00:45:57.800 especially because it's amazing to me.

00:46:01.780 I think I've used that phrase about five times during the show.

00:46:03.920 It's amazing to me.

00:46:04.760 I'm amazed far too often.

00:46:06.720 When in fact, actually, none of the things I've said are amazing actually amaze me.

00:46:09.640 So I should probably, anyway,

00:46:10.840 this argument,

00:46:13.880 it's not even an argument,

00:46:15.080 but anytime we talk about homeschooling,

00:46:16.760 or I've talked about homeschooling,

00:46:18.340 this is the number one response that I hear.

00:46:21.260 It's people giving anecdotes about weird, quote unquote, weird homeschoolers they know.

00:46:26.480 So a few problems with that.

00:46:28.280 Number one, the first guy you mentioned,

00:46:30.060 okay, so you didn't like his style.

00:46:34.840 You don't like the kind of clothes you wore.

00:46:36.640 And you didn't like where he sat when he did his homework.

00:46:41.560 Well, I would say that just reflects your own superficiality.

00:46:45.460 If you don't like the way someone dresses and you judge them based on that.

00:46:55.420 Now, if you want me to admit,

00:46:57.940 are homeschoolers less likely to be caught up on all the latest fashions?

00:47:04.120 I would say probably.

00:47:06.740 Okay, it's also not the year 1842.

00:47:09.580 I mean, homeschoolers are still going to be plugged in,

00:47:12.060 in a literal sense, to the culture.

00:47:13.860 And they're out, they have friends,

00:47:15.080 they're out in, you know, they're not,

00:47:17.040 it's not like the village, the M. Night Shyamalan movie,

00:47:19.440 where they're in some village in the woods and we're pretending it's 1842.

00:47:23.620 No, in most cases, they're out in society.

00:47:26.100 They have friends.

00:47:27.680 They know what people are wearing and dressing

00:47:29.440 and how they're talking and everything else.

00:47:31.700 But are they, because they're not immersed in that culture,

00:47:34.580 are they a little bit less likely to be up on the fads?

00:47:37.560 Yeah, but so what?

00:47:40.380 If that's the kind of weird you're talking about, that's good.

00:47:43.580 To have a kid who doesn't care as much about being caught up on trends,

00:47:48.240 what's the advantage of being caught up on trends?

00:47:49.640 Does it make you a better person?

00:47:51.220 Does it make you a more interesting person?

00:47:53.420 Does it?

00:47:54.260 That you look exactly like everybody else?

00:47:55.800 You're wearing the same name brands?

00:47:57.180 Oh, that's really interesting, isn't it?

00:47:59.780 It doesn't make you a better person.

00:48:00.980 It doesn't make you a more interesting person.

00:48:02.620 It doesn't make you a better adjusted person.

00:48:04.220 It's not a reflection of your character.

00:48:07.280 So who cares?

00:48:09.340 The fact that you care just tells me that you're superficial,

00:48:12.220 which is not a good reflection of public school.

00:48:15.320 But of course, the other problem is that anecdotes don't prove anything.

00:48:19.540 And for every anecdote you can give me of a quote-unquote weird homeschooler,

00:48:23.780 I can give you 10 anecdotes of weird public schoolers.

00:48:26.980 So we could go back and forth with anecdotes all day long.

00:48:29.960 And you want to talk about weird?

00:48:31.220 Do you want to talk about weird?

00:48:31.960 How about weird?

00:48:32.580 How about all the school shooters that show up at public schools?

00:48:36.240 Okay, those are some pretty weird people, aren't they?

00:48:39.080 You don't have that problem in homeschool, do you?

00:48:41.780 So if you really want to get into the anecdotes, we can do that.

00:48:45.460 But I don't think you want to play that game.

00:48:48.860 Because we can start with the school shooters,

00:48:50.820 and we can work our way down from there, all right?

00:48:54.160 I think, and here's the third thing.

00:48:57.240 Now, most of the time, when people talk about weird homeschoolers,

00:49:03.480 what they really mean, and look, there are some legitimately, genuinely weird homeschoolers, okay?

00:49:10.600 Like weird in a negative sense.

00:49:12.280 That does exist.

00:49:13.260 I'll fully admit that.

00:49:13.960 There are weird people in the world.

00:49:15.720 They exist.

00:49:16.280 They're out there.

00:49:16.780 Some of them are going to end up in homeschool.

00:49:18.000 It's inevitable.

00:49:19.780 Although I would argue there are a lot more of them in public school.

00:49:21.860 But I think often, when someone says homeschoolers are weird,

00:49:27.520 what they really mean is that they're weird in the sense that they don't act like other kids act

00:49:34.160 in our modern culture.

00:49:36.660 And I would say that is weird in a very good way.

00:49:39.420 I hope my kids are weird that way.

00:49:41.260 I don't want my kids acting like every other kid.

00:49:43.720 I want my kids to be mature, to be able to hold a conversation,

00:49:54.420 to not be dependent all the time on being glued to their phone and electronics and so on,

00:50:00.220 to be able to talk about something other than video games and TV, okay?

00:50:05.420 If that's what you mean by weird, and I think oftentimes that is what people mean by weird, great, awesome.

00:50:11.020 That's one of the best arguments for homeschool.

00:50:14.320 So that my kids can be that kind of weirdo.

00:50:20.440 It's also just kind of strange that so many parents seem to want their kids to be just like all the other kids.

00:50:29.560 Why would that be your aspiration for your kid? 1.00

00:50:33.700 For your kid to act like every other moron out there? 1.00

00:50:36.480 Is that really your aspiration? 1.00

00:50:37.480 Is that really what you want for them?

00:50:41.520 But thanks for the email, Jennifer.

00:50:42.760 We will leave it there.

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The Matt Walsh Show - April 23, 2020

Ep. 472 - The Attack On Parental Rights

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