The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 482 - It's Your Job To Pay For Your Own Birth Control

00:00:00.000 Today on the Matt Wall Show, the Supreme Court will once again decide whether religious employers

00:00:04.720 should be allowed to decline contraception coverage for their employees or if they should

00:00:09.900 be forced to provide contraception to their employees. The left is screeching, of course,

00:00:13.740 that there's a plot afoot to steal women's birth control. And they're always talking about this,

00:00:19.140 but the interesting thing is I've never heard anyone suggest that we should ban birth control

00:00:23.500 or get rid of it or steal it or take it away. That's not actually what's at issue here. We'll

00:00:28.040 talk about what is at issue. Also, a video of a man being shot in Georgia has provoked

00:00:33.500 very strong reactions, as you might expect. So we'll try to sort through the situation and

00:00:38.440 get to the truth or the closest approximation of it that we can. And finally, I will pass along some

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00:00:51.520 don't know what you're going to get your mother yet for or your wife, really your wife, you don't

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00:00:57.860 I got some good suggestions. Okay. So starting with this, yesterday, the Supreme Court

00:01:04.320 began to hear arguments relating to birth control coverage. And if you feel like you've heard this

00:01:11.800 song and seen this dance before, you have. Ever since the Obama administration attempted to force

00:01:17.640 employers to provide free contraception to their employees, the whole issue has been embroiled in

00:01:22.700 legal disputes. And the Supreme Court has heard several cases about it over the years.

00:01:27.860 This time around, the issue is about an exemption passed by the Trump administration allowing any

00:01:35.080 company, or most companies anyway, to decline to cover birth control if they have a religious objection

00:01:43.160 to birth control. Obama wanted to only give exemptions to specifically religious organizations.

00:01:49.920 And then he defined religious organization in a pretty narrow way. But that was supposedly the

00:01:56.200 idea, right? But the Trump administration's point is that, hey, people who run non-religious

00:02:02.800 organizations also have religious liberty. You shouldn't have to be in a religious organization

00:02:08.080 or running one in order to have your religious liberty respected. But the left says, no, all employers

00:02:13.260 should have to provide contraception coverage. It doesn't matter, regardless of how they feel about it, 0.91

00:02:18.420 regardless of their religious convictions, doesn't matter, because women have a right to birth 1.00

00:02:23.820 control, and they have a right to have their birth control covered. And now the Supreme Court is weighing

00:02:27.820 in, again. Now, as always with this topic, the left has been doing a lot of posturing, engaging in a lot

00:02:36.880 of hysterics and strawmanning and everything else. We're living in a handmaid's tale type of stuff,

00:02:45.260 right? And there's been a lot of this kind of thing from Kamala Harris, who tweeted,

00:02:48.800 once again, this administration is trying to control women's bodies. It's simple. Denying 1.00

00:02:52.980 birth control coverage will cost women more. And this from Bradley Whitford, five conservative

00:02:58.860 male Supreme Court justices are about to decide whether or not all you women out there should 1.00

00:03:03.020 have access to birth control. And lots of this kind of thing from Ayanna Pressley. Absurd that in 2020, 0.89

00:03:09.500 during a global public health crisis, we are still fighting before SCOTUS to prevent employers from

00:03:15.060 denying access to contraception. Contraception is critical to our health, economic security,

00:03:19.800 and bodily autonomy, period. Hashtag hands off my birth control. And a lot of this kind of thing

00:03:24.980 from Imani Gandhi, who's a senior legal analyst, apparently. And she says, in all caps, very simply,

00:03:30.320 they are coming for your birth control. Okay. So let's break this down a little bit.

00:03:38.700 First of all, to this lame, repetitive, boring crap about how men are trying to take away birth 0.98

00:03:48.960 control, and men on the Supreme Court are deciding this, and men are plotting to control women's bodies 0.99

00:03:56.500 and everything else. Enough already. Get a new routine. Okay. You're boring me, feminists. You're 1.00

00:04:02.920 boring me to death. Maybe that's your goal, to bore all the men to death. Guess what? Roe v. Wade 0.99

00:04:09.960 was decided by men. That was a bunch of men deciding Roe. So unless you're going to call for the 0.67

00:04:17.160 overturning of Roe v. Wade on the basis that men decided it, and they have no business making these

00:04:22.320 decisions about a woman's body, unless you're going to say that, I don't want to hear any whining

00:04:26.260 about men getting involved in alleged women's issues. Because it turns out that you're perfectly 0.98

00:04:31.400 fine with men being involved, as long as they agree with you. What a coincidence. It just so

00:04:37.080 happens that, yeah, most men shouldn't get involved in women's issues, but you do make a few exemptions,

00:04:42.540 speaking of exemptions, and it just so happens that all the ones you exempt are the ones who agree

00:04:45.980 with you. What a coincidence. Also, by the way, if a man is selfish, and he sees women as objects to be

00:04:55.540 used, do you think he is likely to be for or against birth control? Think about this, feminists. Use 1.00

00:05:05.760 your brains if you still have them. Is a selfish, cowardly, controlling, objectifying man likely to 1.00

00:05:13.700 be opposed to birth control or in favor of it? Yes, I am mansplaining to you right now. And yes, I'm doing 0.99

00:05:19.420 in a condescending tone. Because if you're going with this line of reasoning, you deserve to be

00:05:24.960 condescended to. Okay, if you don't understand this. No, you see, the kind of man that you're

00:05:33.860 talking about, he wants to use you for sex. So he loves birth control. He loves abortion. 0.99

00:05:41.700 These are your allies, feminists. The ally men who are out there saying, yeah, give them all the 1.00

00:05:49.680 birth control and abortions they want. Do you know why they're saying that? Because they want to have 0.88

00:05:55.060 sex without consequence. These are things that you have to do in order to free him of responsibility.

00:06:04.080 And he loves that. So why in God's name would you think that there's some kind of patriarchal

00:06:11.680 conspiracy to rid the world of birth control? No, if anything, there's going to be a patriarchal 0.87

00:06:16.000 conspiracy to put more birth control into the world. If anything, birth control itself is a

00:06:23.220 patriarchal conspiracy. If there's any patriarchal conspiracies involved in the birth control issue,

00:06:29.300 it's going to be on the pro birth control side, I assure you. Okay. Second point.

00:06:38.300 Nobody is coming for your birth control. Nobody's trying to take your birth control away.

00:06:44.360 Nobody's trying to ban it. Nobody is trying to reach into your medicine cabinet at home and take it

00:06:52.180 from you. Nobody is trying to put you in jail for using it. Nobody. That doesn't exist.

00:07:01.680 That's not a position that anybody holds. The question is whether simply an employer should

00:07:08.340 be required to provide birth control to you. And there's a difference between saying so-and-so

00:07:14.280 shouldn't have to provide such-and-such and saying so-and-so should be allowed to prevent you from

00:07:21.740 obtaining such-and-such. You do see the difference, don't you, feminists? It's pretty obvious. 1.00

00:07:29.680 Do I need to mansplain it more? It's a pretty clear difference. But I know people on the left

00:07:35.300 struggle with this difference a lot anyway. They really struggle. You guys really struggle to see

00:07:39.480 the difference between, I don't want to have to provide this to you, and I think that you should

00:07:44.180 not have this thing. Like, completely different concepts. There are, I can't even list them all.

00:07:53.740 There are literally millions of things that exist that I believe I shouldn't have to provide to you

00:08:02.860 or pay for or give to you, yet I think you should still have the right to have those things.

00:08:09.480 I just don't want to be the one to pay for it. That's all. That's it.

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00:09:22.880 us box so that they know that I sent you. Third point here about the birth control thing.

00:09:32.900 I am getting really tired of hearing about this lack of access thing. The claim that women lack 0.97

00:09:40.300 access to contraception. You can access contraception anywhere. It practically rains from the sky in this

00:09:48.680 country. It all but rains from the sky. Do you need it to actually rain from the sky in order

00:09:52.780 to admit that you have access to it? Or I'm starting to think that, you know, with feminists, 1.00

00:09:57.720 even if birth control was literally raining from the sky, like you could wake up in the morning and

00:10:03.860 there's birth control strewn across your lawn like morning dew drops, you would still say that you

00:10:09.100 don't have access to it because you have to physically walk out and bend down and pick it up for

00:10:12.660 yourself. Until there is someone who will pick it up for you and ferry it into your house and place it in

00:10:19.780 your mouth for you, you're going to say I don't have access. If you really are having trouble accessing

00:10:27.160 contraception in this country, don't take this the wrong way, then you're too incompetent 0.99

00:10:31.180 to be having sex anyway. Maybe this is a good litmus test. If you can't figure out how to use 0.99

00:10:40.900 how to get your hands on contraception, then you are an incompetent and you shouldn't be having sex. 0.92

00:10:48.940 Because any competent adult knows that if you want birth control, if you want contraception,

00:10:55.560 you can find it in some form at Target, at Walmart, at any pharmacy, at any gas station.

00:11:04.120 You can get it for free at Planned Parenthood. And if it's that important to you to have it

00:11:11.160 covered by your employer, you can always go to any of the countless employers that cover it.

00:11:15.560 There is no problem of access. None. You can get it for free. You can get it for cheap.

00:11:23.440 You can get it over there. You can get it over there. You can get it anywhere.

00:11:25.720 You can get it on a train, in a plane, in a house with a mouse. It's like a Dr. Seuss book all of

00:11:32.720 a sudden. Well, no, don't get birth control from a mouse. But I mean, anywhere else you can pretty

00:11:39.160 much get it. There is no problem of access. None at all. Any competent adult, if they want

00:11:43.520 contraception, they can obtain it easily and cheaply. Once again, if you're struggling with this,

00:11:48.440 if you can't figure out how to get your hands on birth control, then don't have sex. And I'm not

00:11:53.340 saying that everybody should use birth control. What I'm saying, though, is that it's just a thing

00:11:59.080 that anyone should figure out how to get their hands on if they really want it.

00:12:05.940 Fourth point. Feminists like to say that their sex lives are none of our business. 1.00

00:12:11.300 They like to say that their bodies are none of our business. They like to say that their medical

00:12:15.400 decisions are none of our business. I agree wholeheartedly on every count. It is none of my

00:12:22.620 business. So stop talking about it. Shut up about it if it's none of my business.

00:12:32.480 It's a very odd thing to tell someone that something is none of their business and then 0.99

00:12:37.020 to all hours of the day and then and then and then next all hours of the day you're screaming about it

00:12:42.900 in their face. Usually if something is none of other people's business, you keep it to yourself.

00:12:50.080 What kind of adult goes around whining about their birth control anyway? How embarrassing.

00:12:58.360 That's your affair. It's your business. Your problem. It's not my problem. I'm sorry.

00:13:02.460 It's not your employer's problem either. What is this thing? I want to have sex, but I can't get

00:13:07.960 birth control. Who who goes around saying that? Well, OK, figure it out. What do you what do you 0.94

00:13:14.580 want us to facilitate your sex life? Are you serious? It's humiliating. I'm embarrassed for you.

00:13:25.080 If you don't want it to be an issue up for discussion, stop making it an issue up for

00:13:31.160 discussion. Figure out your own sex life and leave everybody else out of it, including your employer,

00:13:37.300 if he doesn't want to pay for it. Besides, if it's if it's none of anybody's business, what are you

00:13:43.500 going to your employer who oftentimes is a man and saying, give me birth control? I demand birth 1.00

00:13:47.880 control. Yeah, real strong and independent woman who does that. 1.00

00:13:54.700 Goes crawling and whining and crying to a male employer demanding birth control.

00:14:00.420 Fifth, the Trump administration is right. Religious liberty is not solely the province of religious

00:14:08.740 organizations. I don't have to be in a religious job or have a religious vocation to have religious

00:14:16.180 liberty any more than I need to be in the NRA to have gun rights. Now, you may not agree with people

00:14:24.520 who are opposed to birth control. That's fine. But many religions, not just Christianity, many religions

00:14:29.800 have problems with contraception because they see it as something that contravenes God's plan. I mean,

00:14:38.720 that's that's the basic reason why so many religions are against it. You may not agree. Doesn't matter. You

00:14:47.380 don't have to agree. You're allowed to not agree. This is America. But because it's America, if I run a

00:14:54.840 business, I can run my business according to my religious convictions. Don't like it.

00:14:59.340 Get another job. If you don't want to work for a devout religious person, don't apply for a job with a 1.00

00:15:07.700 devout religious person. Take some responsibility for your actions.

00:15:16.820 Now, just because someone has a religious objection to birth control, it doesn't give them the right to

00:15:23.780 come and pry it out of your hands. They can't break into your home in the middle of the night and steal

00:15:29.420 all your birth control. But it does give them the right to decide that they don't want to fund it,

00:15:36.340 provide it, facilitate it, or be involved with it in any way, shape, or form. And if you really value

00:15:43.060 your autonomy and privacy and dignity, you wouldn't want them to be involved in any way,

00:15:48.700 shape, or form. All right. I trust that everything I've said here will now settle the matter

00:15:58.860 rather than just inflaming feminists even more and making them more pissed off. 1.00

00:16:05.260 So let's go to, actually, I was going to say we're going to go to five headlines,

00:16:09.800 but we're not going to do five headlines today. Instead, I have just one headline that I want to

00:16:14.200 talk about at a greater length than I normally do for these news stories. So I'm shelving five

00:16:20.460 headlines just for today to talk about this, this being the case of Ahmaud Arbery. This is a case that

00:16:27.440 has sparked mass protests and outrage and lots of discussion. Much of the discussion has consisted of

00:16:33.820 reflexive and emotional reactions that don't help us get to the truth of the case. And that's usually

00:16:38.260 how these things go. Now, I, in fact, am one of the people who offered one of those unhelpful

00:16:44.280 emotional reactions, unfortunately, last night on Twitter. Twitter, always a great forum for talking

00:16:50.000 about these kinds of things. We'll get to all that in a moment. First, the basics of the case,

00:16:55.240 as far as we know, if you're not familiar with it. There is now video that has been released.

00:16:59.400 I'm not going to play the video because, I mean, it's not the kind of video everybody wants to see,

00:17:05.260 but you can easily go find it online if you want to see it. It shows a man running down the road,

00:17:10.860 in the road, and the video is being taken from behind by a guy in another car.

00:17:18.420 And then you see the running man, that's Arbery, come up to two guys who are stopped in the road.

00:17:24.020 They're in a pickup truck, stopped in the road. And you see Arbery go around the car like he's

00:17:34.080 initially trying to get away. And then the camera doesn't capture the first moment of the altercation.

00:17:40.840 But at some point, we see that Arbery approaches the man, one of the men with the guns. Now they're

00:17:48.660 struggling. There's a struggle that ensues between Arbery and one of the men. And then the second

00:17:54.860 guy who's in the pickup truck, standing on it, shoots three times, I think it was, and kills

00:18:00.160 Arbery. And he collapses and dies. That's what the video shows. This happened in February.

00:18:06.420 The men who did the shooting have not been arrested, haven't been charged. Now there's going to be a

00:18:11.660 grand jury, seemingly in response to the outrage. The claim being made by supporters of Arbery is that

00:18:19.780 they should have been arrested. This should have happened back in February. The only reason they're

00:18:26.520 doing it now is because we noticed. I think there may be some truth to that. This all happened in

00:18:32.840 Georgia, by the way. The men with guns are Gregory and Travis McMichael. They're white. Arbery's black. 0.54

00:18:40.200 The context appears to be that there had been some break-ins recently in the neighborhood. And from

00:18:46.380 the way that it's being reported, Gregory and Travis McMichael thought that Arbery looked like

00:18:52.540 the potential burglar who had committed other burglaries. There was apparently a series of

00:18:58.680 911 calls that were placed about Arbery and his presence in the neighborhood. But apparently none of

00:19:04.260 them identified any clear crime that Arbery was committing. So a couple of people called,

00:19:08.060 but it wasn't clear what they actually were concerned about that Arbery was doing.

00:19:13.340 One was, one mentioned that he had been seen on a construction site and maybe inside a half-built

00:19:19.420 home. It's not clear that the McMichaels saw any crime being committed. It's not clear if they saw a

00:19:29.240 crime being committed or if they just thought he looked like someone who had committed a crime in the

00:19:33.700 neighborhood at some point. They say, the McMichaels say, that they went to chase after Arbery

00:19:39.860 and make a citizen's arrest. And they say they pursued him for a while and he was trying to get

00:19:46.380 away and then they cut him off on the road, got out with guns. He went after them, attacked.

00:19:50.980 They killed him. So that's sort of their version of events. The odd thing is that the video shows the

00:19:56.500 few seconds leading up to this altercation and it doesn't look like Arbery is fleeing the scene of

00:20:02.140 a crime. He appears to be just jogging down the road. Now you'd think if he was running away from

00:20:09.500 a crime, he'd probably be trying to evade detection. He wouldn't be running in the middle of the street

00:20:13.280 in the middle of the day, but that's what he's doing. The narrative from supporters of Arbery is that

00:20:20.760 he was just out for a jog and he hadn't committed any crime at all. And that is being reported by some

00:20:28.680 media outlets as fact. I don't think it is established fact, but that's one version of

00:20:35.020 events that Arbery was out for a jog. I don't know if that's true or not. The video does seem to lend

00:20:44.320 credence to that version of events, but I don't know. He also seems to me to be wearing what you would

00:20:50.600 expect a person to wear if they were out for a jog and not what you would expect them to wear

00:20:55.220 if they were on a burglary spree. It's also the time of day where you would expect a jog and not

00:21:01.780 a burglary spree. But again, who knows? I don't know if Arbery really committed a burglary or not.

00:21:10.240 It's important to note though that Arbery is not accused of committing any violent crime so far as

00:21:16.360 we know at this point. I've also seen some people on social media who are more inclined to defend

00:21:23.940 McMichaels who are saying that Arbery had robbed. He committed a robbery. Well, there's a difference

00:21:29.200 between a robbery and a burglary and the difference is important. He's not being accused of being

00:21:35.200 involved in any robbery. He's being accused of being involved in a burglary, which is a property

00:21:40.660 crime. It's not like he held a gun to somebody and took their wallet. I think that distinction is

00:21:48.260 important. And as far as we know right now, there is no claim that he had on that day been witnessed

00:21:55.980 by the McMichaels committing a crime against them. We don't know if they witnessed any crime at all or if

00:22:05.140 they just had reason to believe that he had. We don't know. It's also important to note on the

00:22:11.340 other side of this that the police say there's a video of Arbery committing a burglary right before

00:22:15.880 all this ensued. That's what we're being told. We haven't seen that video. Is it the video of him

00:22:21.720 on a construction site? Is that what they're calling a burglary? I don't know. We haven't seen it.

00:22:28.400 So let me try to offer some thoughts on this. Those are the basics of the case so far as I

00:22:35.100 understand this so far. First of all, as I already said, the video is upsetting because a man dies

00:22:41.980 and you watch it happen. My initial reaction was an emotional one based on having witnessed that.

00:22:49.440 And I said on Twitter, as I said, always a great forum for these discussions,

00:22:54.160 that this is a clear cut case of first degree murder and the two shooters should get the death

00:22:59.320 penalty. That was my first reaction, which is stupid, obviously. It's angry and emotional. 1.00

00:23:05.040 It's a stupid thing to say on my part. I usually pride myself on being the rational and logical 0.99

00:23:10.340 one and not jump into conclusions without evidence. And that's generally how I approach

00:23:14.940 these things. I broke my own rule in this case. So I had to go back a couple hours later and amend

00:23:19.400 myself a bit because we certainly can't call this clear cut. And the idea that I could just declare

00:23:26.240 not only that it's murder, but what degree of murder it is, it's just dumb. 0.95

00:23:33.500 So there's a lot that isn't known. There's a lot of weirdness with this. The video is, along with 0.88

00:23:42.780 tragic, very weird for a number of reasons in that it doesn't appear to fully fit either side's version

00:23:48.640 of events, as far as I can tell. Though I do think at this point it fits the side of Arbery supporters

00:23:53.620 more, it seems to me. So based on what we know right now, it seems like

00:23:59.600 the two sort of opposite possibilities are this. One, Arbery was out for a jog.

00:24:09.960 The McMichaels thought he fit the description of a burglar, which of course has very strong 0.74

00:24:15.600 undertones of he's a black guy running in a white neighborhood, right? Has undertones of that. 0.86

00:24:22.220 We don't know if that's what it was, but those are the undertones that you can't get around and

00:24:28.420 there's no point in denying it. And so they went after him. He was out for a jog. They thought he

00:24:35.220 looked like he might be a criminal. They went after him. He was innocent. He defended himself because

00:24:40.240 he's got guys rolling up on him with guns. What else is he going to do? Are you going to go? I mean,

00:24:43.940 if two guys roll up in a pickup truck with guns, are you going to just do whatever they say? Maybe

00:24:48.920 you will, but I think other people will be more inclined to fight for your life because you don't

00:24:54.080 know what these guys intend. And then he was killed. So that's one possibility, one version of events.

00:25:01.420 The other possibility is this. Arbery was in the neighborhood committing crimes.

00:25:06.220 So far, there is no suggestion that he had that day committed any violent crimes or crimes against

00:25:15.000 persons. He was committing, by this version of events, he was committing a burglary or burglaries.

00:25:21.300 The McMichaels witnessed him doing it or had strong reason to believe that he had just done it.

00:25:27.600 Maybe we don't know what those reasons are yet. They go after him to make a citizen's arrest.

00:25:31.480 He tries to get away. They keep pursuing. They cut him off on the road. They grab their guns. He goes

00:25:37.320 after them. They kill him. Those seem to be the two possibilities right now. Maybe there's some 1.00

00:25:43.620 kind of in-between option between those two, or maybe the truth is something very different from

00:25:50.520 any of this. But I think for the truth to be something very different from either of the two

00:25:54.340 options I laid out, that would require there to be a very significant detail that right now we don't

00:26:00.700 know about. And maybe there is, right? I can't say if that detail exists or not. So I'm basing this

00:26:06.460 on what we know. And remember, this happened in February. It's not like it just happened and people

00:26:11.120 are making rush judgments. My point is there's pretty good reason to believe that we know basically

00:26:19.760 most of the story. And that there aren't any more shoes to drop. But maybe there are.

00:26:28.080 So here's my thing. In option one, they went after an innocent man. They approached him with guns.

00:26:36.960 And you don't pull a gun on someone unless you're willing to use it.

00:26:40.240 And now that innocent man is dead. And they have to pay for that.

00:26:47.880 So that to me is, if that's the case, then it is pretty clear cut. Now, in terms of assessing the

00:26:52.220 degree of murder and everything, well, that's, I'm not going to get into that again. But it's clear

00:26:58.440 that there's a very serious crime has been committed by the shooters. They need to go to jail and answer

00:27:03.240 for that. You can't just kill a guy while he's jogging because you think he looks like he might have

00:27:08.820 committed a crime, right? You can't go fully armed and loaded and chase a guy down who fits a 0.90

00:27:13.780 description. A guy who you think might have maybe committed a crime at some point in the past

00:27:19.060 and then try to apprehend him and kill him in the process. That is vigilantism at best. And it's

00:27:25.420 criminal. So if option one is true, then the shooters are fully in the wrong. They killed an

00:27:30.580 innocent man. And now it's just a matter of assessing the degrees and figuring out what their sentence is

00:27:36.200 going to be. What about option two? Well, as it stands right now, it's hard for me to see how they

00:27:44.840 wouldn't be in the wrong, the shooters, I mean, even if option two is correct. Let's say best case for

00:27:52.340 them, based on what we know, best case for them right now is they witnessed a burglary. Once again,

00:28:01.280 a burglary, not a robbery, let's say they witnessed a burglary. Does that give them the right to grab

00:28:10.160 their guns, chase him down, park in the street and wait to ambush him? Even if the ambush wasn't

00:28:19.300 supposed to be deadly, is that the right response? And if you do that as a, as a civilian and someone

00:28:26.600 dies in the process, are you not responsible for that? I believe in giving people a ton of leeway

00:28:34.040 when protecting their own property on their own property. So if you come onto a man's property 0.93

00:28:38.720 and he's there, even if you didn't intend him harm, he has every right to assume that you intend him

00:28:46.300 harm and to, and to react accordingly. So it is very rare that I hear of a case. In fact, I can't think

00:28:52.580 of any case off the top of my head where someone killed someone on their own property. And I think

00:28:57.960 that person who shot the gun should go to jail. I can't think of any case. I mean, maybe there's

00:29:02.920 been cases like that, you know, if there could be egregious other details, but, but I think a lot

00:29:10.220 of leeway when it comes to protecting your own property, your own life, your own family, right?

00:29:16.140 So I believe that. I would also say that if they witnessed this man attack someone, abuse someone,

00:29:24.800 someone said to me on Twitter yesterday, well, what if they had seen him, you know, 0.82

00:29:28.180 raping a woman or something like that? Would they be right to chase after him? Then I would say, yes,

00:29:33.720 chasing him down could be a form of defending the victim because this is a clearly a physically

00:29:40.480 dangerous man who's now on the run. He was just victimizing someone. And so chasing him down,

00:29:47.560 I think it was a valiant and courageous thing to do. And you are, you know, in a sense,

00:29:52.260 defending the victim, even if it is after the fact, because you don't know if this guy could come back

00:29:56.060 or anything like that. And yeah, you could call the cops, but he could still get away. You know,

00:29:59.500 you can't count on the cops to be there on time. And so you chase after him. But none of that,

00:30:04.900 it seems to apply to this situation. He's not, he's not being accused of committing any violent

00:30:09.460 crime against anybody. I haven't heard that even the McMichaels aren't making that claim.

00:30:13.400 No one's making that claim. At best, from what we know, they might have seen a property crime,

00:30:21.000 a burglary, and then they decided to take the law into their own hands and a man died in the process.

00:30:25.380 I think even then they have to be held accountable for that.

00:30:29.700 Unless there's some huge detail we don't know about, which is possible.

00:30:33.740 Another thing to think about, you know, people are saying,

00:30:37.660 why did Arbery attack the guys with the loaded guns rather than trying to run away?

00:30:43.300 Well, first of all, it seems like he did originally try to run away.

00:30:47.020 Second, put yourself in his shoes for a moment. Even if you did commit a burglary, right?

00:30:52.360 Okay, even so, that doesn't change this. Two guys with guns are chasing you down.

00:30:58.340 They stop their car, they get out, guns in hand. They're telling you to stop,

00:31:02.300 come with them, or at least come to them. They aren't cops. They're just random guys with guns.

00:31:09.440 Do you go with them? Do you stop? Do you listen? Do you have some kind of obligation to listen to

00:31:14.600 them? You might well think, look, these guys are going to kill me. I can't run because I can't 0.91

00:31:20.980 outrun a bullet. My only choice is to fight. It's a classic fight or flight scenario. And not everybody

00:31:28.980 is a fighter in that situation, but some people are. And I would say that, generally speaking,

00:31:34.340 fighting is the smarter choice. This is the problem with civilians doing this kind of stuff.

00:31:39.880 Now, if those were cops, then we could say two things. Number one, you have an obligation to stop

00:31:44.440 if they tell you to stop. That obligation may not be absolute. There could be situations where

00:31:49.000 even in that, you know, where you don't have to stop. But most of the time, you know,

00:31:53.420 a cop tells you to stop, you stop, and you listen. Number two, if you stop for a cop,

00:31:57.980 you can be reasonably certain they aren't going to kill you. Again, neither of those apply when

00:32:04.880 it's two random dudes in a pickup with guns telling you to stop. You have no obligation to listen to

00:32:11.360 them, to do what they say. As far as you know, they plan to kill you. And what if you did commit 0.99

00:32:20.080 a burglary? Does that mean that you just have to give yourself up to be killed? It's like, well, 0.87

00:32:24.040 they got me. I mean, if you're going to kill me, go ahead. I wouldn't do that. 0.99

00:32:30.440 In fact, I would go so far as to say if two random guys with guns pull up in a pickup truck,

00:32:34.360 the absolute last thing you should do is stop for them, listen to them, go with them. You should

00:32:40.240 fight them or run. You never go with a random guy with a gun when he tells you to. Never.

00:32:50.080 I mean, you got all these people now defending the shooters on the basis that, well, you should

00:32:55.800 have listened to them. What? So now you're saying that anyone who grabs a gun and points it at you,

00:33:00.720 you have an, not just that it's the smart thing to listen, but you have an obligation to listen?

00:33:06.880 No. No. Now, if they were cops, I would say the absolute last thing you should do is try to fight

00:33:14.100 the cops or flee them. But these were not cops. And that really, really matters. That's why we

00:33:22.440 don't do armed vigilantism in this country, in a civilized society, especially when the alleged

00:33:27.620 supposed crime burglary doesn't warrant that kind of reaction. I mean, I could even like, you know,

00:33:38.660 you know what, if this was a situation where a guy was committing some heinous crime against the

00:33:44.640 person, you caught him raping or abusing a child or something, and you hear about these kinds of 0.97

00:33:49.440 cases, and then the guy tries to run away and you chase him down and kill him. I would say in that 0.99

00:33:54.800 situation, you know, I would be in favor of, you could plead like temporary insanity. You were blind

00:34:00.480 with rage. And I would be in favor of letting somebody off on that basis. Not that we pass a law

00:34:06.960 saying it's legal to kill any one of you, but just in that situation, even I could see it because

00:34:12.860 you're so emotionally enraged by what you saw and that you lose control of your faculties. And given

00:34:20.140 the fact that the crime is so heinous, the blame for your reaction will fall on the person who committed

00:34:29.160 the heinous crime causing that reaction. So I could, but for a burglary, no.

00:34:36.960 Sorry. Uh, no, you don't chase down suspected burglars as a civilian and kill them. 0.85

00:34:45.860 So, um, that's where I am on this right now. Open to new information, but based on what we know,

00:34:50.380 that's where I am. Last thing. Okay. Uh, I said, this is going to be a lengthy discussion of this

00:34:54.600 on the racial angle. You know, obviously there's obviously that that's going to be a part of this

00:35:04.080 story. And there are, there are people that are being very irresponsible and trying to basically

00:35:10.220 stoke race rides. I mean, LeBron James came out last night and said something like, you know, uh,

00:35:16.740 every time a black man leaves his house, he's hunted down. Just completely reckless, irresponsible, 1.00

00:35:23.700 dangerous rhetoric, insane, absurd, totally divorced from reality. Right. And so there's been a, 0.71

00:35:30.240 there's been a lot of that. I mean, there, there are, there are irresponsible and bad people out there

00:35:34.040 who, uh, are interested in taking advantage of these kinds of situations to try to sow unrest.

00:35:41.720 We've seen that before in the past. And I'm very afraid of that happening here. Um, but so, you know,

00:35:48.680 just because I'm saying it looks to me right now, this is an unjust shooting and these people should

00:35:51.880 be held accountable. It doesn't mean go out and have a riot about it. And it also doesn't mean that

00:35:56.100 they were hunting down a black man out of some racial, uh, motivated by racial hatred. Maybe they

00:36:02.360 were, but we don't know that. What I will say is if it's, if option number two is correct, that they did

00:36:06.900 witness a crime, then I think that that doesn't necessarily justify what they did, but it

00:36:11.600 does pretty much remove the racial angle because then they're reacting to what they saw happen,

00:36:16.060 not to the skin color of the person who did it. And in order to, in order to prove a racial angle

00:36:21.480 there, you would have to prove that these guys in the past have seen white people committing crimes 0.96

00:36:25.280 and didn't chase them down, but only chase down black people when they see black people commit 0.99

00:36:28.640 crimes. And if that evidence exists, then present it. But I doubt that evidence does exist. So if, 0.99

00:36:32.900 if he did commit a crime, I think it takes the racial angle out. If he was an innocent man,

00:36:36.880 just going for a jog and, uh, they thought he fit the description of a burglar, then I think it's

00:36:43.840 hard at that point to avoid, um, the racial component of it. And it would seem like they

00:36:48.600 profiled him and he died in the process. And so, but you know, that's, so that's why between option

00:36:54.900 one and two, it does make a significant difference, which one it is, but I'm not sure that either option

00:36:59.760 would justify the shooting. Uh, okay. Now for your daily cancellation. And, uh, but before we do that,

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00:37:58.700 See you there. Okay. Now for your daily cancellation, and we'll do this quickly. I'm

00:38:03.000 canceling every media outlet, media person, and person in general who had any opinion about or cared

00:38:10.700 at all about or was upset about for any reason, the fact that Adele lost weight. So to back up here for

00:38:18.700 a second, Adele, the singer, obviously, apparently took a picture recently on Instagram and she was,

00:38:24.000 she was skinny. She had lost weight. Okay. Good for her. I mean, I think good for her.

00:38:30.360 Who cares at the end of the day, really? Uh, or even at the beginning of the day or

00:38:34.740 don't matter what time of day, who cares the weight or lack thereof of celebrities is just 0.99

00:38:40.580 not important, even a little bit. But this event of Adele losing weight provoked a lot of reaction 0.62

00:38:47.200 from people. And many articles were written, many articles, many entire, there are people who sat

00:38:53.220 down and wrote, wrote whole articles about Adele losing weight. Here are some of the headlines

00:38:57.260 inside Adele's weight loss experts sound off on her new look. What expert experts on what Adele looks 1.00

00:39:05.680 like? Adele appearance experts. Is that a, a major now in some colleges? I wouldn't be surprised.

00:39:15.320 The frenzy over Adele's weight loss has forced me to confront my own issue with body image.

00:39:21.040 Another headline. Let's not be amazed that multimillionaire Adele can lose weight. 1.00

00:39:26.380 Another one. Why the photo of a new slimmer Adele makes women feel like me feel uncomfortable. 1.00

00:39:31.540 Another one. Adele's new birthday photo thanking frontline workers sparks debate on body image.

00:39:39.040 And then CNN says, Adele lost weight. Are we allowed to praise that?

00:39:45.720 The controversy here is that by praising Adele for losing weight, could we be implicitly fat shaming?

00:39:52.280 Could we be insinuating that it's, it's, it's better to be skinny than fat? Could we be suggesting that

00:39:58.340 fat is not preferred, not ideal? And the answer to all those questions, of course, is yes.

00:40:07.220 We are suggesting that. As well, we should. Excess fat is bad. It's unhealthy. It can kill you.

00:40:16.020 It's better not to have it. Adele is a healthier person now than she was before when she had the

00:40:22.100 extra weight. That's it. Now, it doesn't mean you're a bad person if you're fat. It doesn't mean you're

00:40:26.540 worth less. It doesn't mean you have no value. Um, it doesn't mean that, uh, you're a better person

00:40:32.740 when you lose weight. It just means that it's better to lose weight. It's better not to be fat

00:40:38.120 than to be fat because you'll be healthier and you'll live longer and your internal organs will

00:40:43.540 fare better in the long run. And so will your skeletal structure and everything else about you.

00:40:48.140 Your body will be very happy that you're not fat anymore. And that's all. That's it. It's not

00:40:53.000 complicated, but this really is my problem with the whole fat acceptance thing. It's not just that,

00:40:58.200 that, that fat acceptance tells people to accept and celebrate unhealthy things about themselves.

00:41:03.660 That's a problem too. Don't get me wrong. But even more than that, it encourages people to be

00:41:08.260 self-obsessed, to see everything through the lens of their own ego, which is something we all do anyway.

00:41:13.780 We don't need more help with that. So a celebrity loses weight and their first thought is,

00:41:20.360 how does this affect me? Adele lost a, a famous singer in England lost weight. How does this

00:41:30.040 affect me? That's what I want to know. Answer. It doesn't at all. Not everything is about you.

00:41:37.880 You ridiculous narcissist. You're canceled. All of you canceled. Finally, since I've already gone 1.00

00:41:47.280 wildly off track and abandoned my normal show format, let's keep the chaos going and, um, throw

00:41:52.780 out the email segment for today. And for this, uh, cause I want to do a special segment about Mother's

00:41:59.340 Day with Mother's Day, fast approaching. Uh, I wanted to take a moment and I feel like I don't do this

00:42:05.840 enough, but I really wanted to give just some practical advice, uh, that might be helpful to you.

00:42:10.780 So we talk a lot about issues and ideas and everything. And oftentimes I feel like it's not

00:42:17.020 practical enough. And people say to me sometimes, what are the practical solutions, Matt? I mean,

00:42:21.280 you're all about complaining, which is true. It's my favorite thing to do. Give me some practical

00:42:26.160 steps, some practical things I can do. Okay, well, here you go. So for any guys out there, um, I'm going

00:42:31.020 to pass along five suggestions for Mother's Day gifts for your wife specifically. And these gifts

00:42:36.720 might, might work for your mom as well, but I'm really focusing on what you give to your wife, because

00:42:40.880 even though we're in the middle of a pandemic, you are not off the hook. All right. You definitely are

00:42:47.180 not. You've got to do something and you have to make it good too, because your wife is under a lot

00:42:51.420 of stress. So let's talk about these. Here are my four Mother's Day gift ideas. Number one, this is a

00:43:00.020 classic, kind of a cliche, uh, but there's a little bit of a twist to it. So first suggestion is a

00:43:06.580 mop. Now you're thinking, yeah, mop's a great gift, but I gave my wife a broom for Christmas. 0.68

00:43:14.660 Isn't this redundant? Well, no, first of all, because it's important to have the complete set

00:43:18.820 and your wife's going to be excited about that. She's going to call all her friends and say,

00:43:24.360 I finally got it. I got the full cleaning set like I always wanted, but also here's the twist.

00:43:30.800 You're going to give her a little card and inside the card, you're going to have suggestions for

00:43:35.160 areas of the house that really need to be mopped the most. And what she'll love, because it means

00:43:40.920 you're paying attention, is if you put the date of the last time that area of the house was mopped.

00:43:49.200 Uh, and so it puts a little urgency on it, but it also shows that you are paying attention

00:43:54.440 to the chores she does in the house and the chores she neglects. She will like that.

00:43:59.200 Number two, this one's pretty fun. Uh, it gives her, this is pretty creative, but get her a pair 0.64

00:44:06.840 of pants. That's intentionally three sizes too small. And on the inside of the waistband,

00:44:12.720 write a little romantic note that says you'll get there. Uh, number three. Now, if you're looking

00:44:20.020 for something that's maybe a bit more spiritual, I know there are a lot of, you know, devout Christians

00:44:24.220 who watch this show as, as I am as well. So here's a good one for you. Um, you can get your wife, 1.00

00:44:30.080 you know, those pictures people like to have in their homes now of like famous quotes and things

00:44:33.780 like that. So you could do that, but this one, it's going to be a framed picture of Ephesians 5.22.

00:44:41.000 Wives, submit yourselves to your husbands as you do the Lord. Of course, famous quote. Um,

00:44:47.620 important thing though, is don't include the rest of that passage that talks about all the stuff a

00:44:53.120 husband is supposed to do, because that's not really the point, is it? This is about her. It's

00:44:57.940 mother's day. It's not about you for finally, um, maybe so far the ideas haven't been quite

00:45:05.200 sentimental enough and you're looking for something that's very personal to you, very intimate, even

00:45:11.580 something that shows how much you love her, something that shows, um, you know, just how much

00:45:16.980 you care and that you really put some thought into it. So here's an idea. What you want to do is,

00:45:21.560 is, is, is think about a piece of jewelry. Think about a piece of jewelry that you bought for an

00:45:26.800 ex-girlfriend when you guys were dating and then go and get that same jewelry for your wife 0.98

00:45:32.040 explaining while you give it to her, tell her that this is the same jewelry that you bought for an

00:45:39.660 ex-girlfriend years ago. So the idea is it's kind of a symbolic passing of the torch from the

00:45:46.740 girlfriend to the wife. Even if you've been married for 10 years, it's not too late for the passing of

00:45:51.760 the torch. And then your wife will appreciate it even more if you kind of reminisce, um, with her

00:45:57.480 and tell her a few stories about the women you've dated and the fun things you did. Wives always love

00:46:02.220 to hear about that stuff, especially on special occasions. So those are my four Mother's Day gift

00:46:08.740 ideas. I'm not going to be using any of these ideas myself, uh, but only because I don't want to

00:46:14.740 take the ideas from any of you and I don't want to steal your thunder. So I'll be doing something

00:46:18.580 else, probably something along the lines of flowers, you know, boring, patronizing, insulting.

00:46:25.200 So don't do that. Take these ideas and you will not regret it. Trust me. And we'll leave it there.

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The Matt Walsh Show - May 07, 2020

Ep. 482 - It's Your Job To Pay For Your Own Birth Control

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