The Matt Walsh Show - May 07, 2020


Ep. 482 - It's Your Job To Pay For Your Own Birth Control


Episode Stats

Length

47 minutes

Words per Minute

174.29749

Word Count

8,266

Sentence Count

580

Misogynist Sentences

24

Hate Speech Sentences

15


Summary

Today, the Supreme Court will weigh in on whether religious employers should be allowed to decline contraception coverage for their employees, or if they should be forced to provide birth control to their employees. Also, a video of a man being shot in Georgia has provoked very strong reactions, as you might expect.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Today on the Matt Wall Show, the Supreme Court will once again decide whether religious employers
00:00:04.720 should be allowed to decline contraception coverage for their employees or if they should
00:00:09.900 be forced to provide contraception to their employees. The left is screeching, of course,
00:00:13.740 that there's a plot afoot to steal women's birth control. And they're always talking about this,
00:00:19.140 but the interesting thing is I've never heard anyone suggest that we should ban birth control
00:00:23.500 or get rid of it or steal it or take it away. That's not actually what's at issue here. We'll
00:00:28.040 talk about what is at issue. Also, a video of a man being shot in Georgia has provoked
00:00:33.500 very strong reactions, as you might expect. So we'll try to sort through the situation and
00:00:38.440 get to the truth or the closest approximation of it that we can. And finally, I will pass along some
00:00:44.820 helpful, I hope, and practical gift ideas for Mother's Day. So if you're procrastinating and
00:00:51.520 don't know what you're going to get your mother yet for or your wife, really your wife, you don't
00:00:54.780 know what you're getting your wife yet for Mother's Day, then stick around to the end of the show because
00:00:57.860 I got some good suggestions. Okay. So starting with this, yesterday, the Supreme Court
00:01:04.320 began to hear arguments relating to birth control coverage. And if you feel like you've heard this
00:01:11.800 song and seen this dance before, you have. Ever since the Obama administration attempted to force
00:01:17.640 employers to provide free contraception to their employees, the whole issue has been embroiled in
00:01:22.700 legal disputes. And the Supreme Court has heard several cases about it over the years.
00:01:27.860 This time around, the issue is about an exemption passed by the Trump administration allowing any
00:01:35.080 company, or most companies anyway, to decline to cover birth control if they have a religious objection
00:01:43.160 to birth control. Obama wanted to only give exemptions to specifically religious organizations.
00:01:49.920 And then he defined religious organization in a pretty narrow way. But that was supposedly the
00:01:56.200 idea, right? But the Trump administration's point is that, hey, people who run non-religious
00:02:02.800 organizations also have religious liberty. You shouldn't have to be in a religious organization
00:02:08.080 or running one in order to have your religious liberty respected. But the left says, no, all employers
00:02:13.260 should have to provide contraception coverage. It doesn't matter, regardless of how they feel about it,
00:02:18.420 regardless of their religious convictions, doesn't matter, because women have a right to birth
00:02:23.820 control, and they have a right to have their birth control covered. And now the Supreme Court is weighing
00:02:27.820 in, again. Now, as always with this topic, the left has been doing a lot of posturing, engaging in a lot
00:02:36.880 of hysterics and strawmanning and everything else. We're living in a handmaid's tale type of stuff,
00:02:45.260 right? And there's been a lot of this kind of thing from Kamala Harris, who tweeted,
00:02:48.800 once again, this administration is trying to control women's bodies. It's simple. Denying
00:02:52.980 birth control coverage will cost women more. And this from Bradley Whitford, five conservative
00:02:58.860 male Supreme Court justices are about to decide whether or not all you women out there should
00:03:03.020 have access to birth control. And lots of this kind of thing from Ayanna Pressley. Absurd that in 2020,
00:03:09.500 during a global public health crisis, we are still fighting before SCOTUS to prevent employers from
00:03:15.060 denying access to contraception. Contraception is critical to our health, economic security,
00:03:19.800 and bodily autonomy, period. Hashtag hands off my birth control. And a lot of this kind of thing
00:03:24.980 from Imani Gandhi, who's a senior legal analyst, apparently. And she says, in all caps, very simply,
00:03:30.320 they are coming for your birth control. Okay. So let's break this down a little bit.
00:03:38.700 First of all, to this lame, repetitive, boring crap about how men are trying to take away birth
00:03:48.960 control, and men on the Supreme Court are deciding this, and men are plotting to control women's bodies
00:03:56.500 and everything else. Enough already. Get a new routine. Okay. You're boring me, feminists. You're
00:04:02.920 boring me to death. Maybe that's your goal, to bore all the men to death. Guess what? Roe v. Wade
00:04:09.960 was decided by men. That was a bunch of men deciding Roe. So unless you're going to call for the
00:04:17.160 overturning of Roe v. Wade on the basis that men decided it, and they have no business making these
00:04:22.320 decisions about a woman's body, unless you're going to say that, I don't want to hear any whining
00:04:26.260 about men getting involved in alleged women's issues. Because it turns out that you're perfectly
00:04:31.400 fine with men being involved, as long as they agree with you. What a coincidence. It just so
00:04:37.080 happens that, yeah, most men shouldn't get involved in women's issues, but you do make a few exemptions,
00:04:42.540 speaking of exemptions, and it just so happens that all the ones you exempt are the ones who agree
00:04:45.980 with you. What a coincidence. Also, by the way, if a man is selfish, and he sees women as objects to be
00:04:55.540 used, do you think he is likely to be for or against birth control? Think about this, feminists. Use
00:05:05.760 your brains if you still have them. Is a selfish, cowardly, controlling, objectifying man likely to
00:05:13.700 be opposed to birth control or in favor of it? Yes, I am mansplaining to you right now. And yes, I'm doing
00:05:19.420 in a condescending tone. Because if you're going with this line of reasoning, you deserve to be
00:05:24.960 condescended to. Okay, if you don't understand this. No, you see, the kind of man that you're
00:05:33.860 talking about, he wants to use you for sex. So he loves birth control. He loves abortion.
00:05:41.700 These are your allies, feminists. The ally men who are out there saying, yeah, give them all the
00:05:49.680 birth control and abortions they want. Do you know why they're saying that? Because they want to have
00:05:55.060 sex without consequence. These are things that you have to do in order to free him of responsibility.
00:06:04.080 And he loves that. So why in God's name would you think that there's some kind of patriarchal
00:06:11.680 conspiracy to rid the world of birth control? No, if anything, there's going to be a patriarchal
00:06:16.000 conspiracy to put more birth control into the world. If anything, birth control itself is a
00:06:23.220 patriarchal conspiracy. If there's any patriarchal conspiracies involved in the birth control issue,
00:06:29.300 it's going to be on the pro birth control side, I assure you. Okay. Second point.
00:06:38.300 Nobody is coming for your birth control. Nobody's trying to take your birth control away.
00:06:44.360 Nobody's trying to ban it. Nobody is trying to reach into your medicine cabinet at home and take it
00:06:52.180 from you. Nobody is trying to put you in jail for using it. Nobody. That doesn't exist.
00:07:01.680 That's not a position that anybody holds. The question is whether simply an employer should
00:07:08.340 be required to provide birth control to you. And there's a difference between saying so-and-so
00:07:14.280 shouldn't have to provide such-and-such and saying so-and-so should be allowed to prevent you from
00:07:21.740 obtaining such-and-such. You do see the difference, don't you, feminists? It's pretty obvious.
00:07:29.680 Do I need to mansplain it more? It's a pretty clear difference. But I know people on the left
00:07:35.300 struggle with this difference a lot anyway. They really struggle. You guys really struggle to see
00:07:39.480 the difference between, I don't want to have to provide this to you, and I think that you should
00:07:44.180 not have this thing. Like, completely different concepts. There are, I can't even list them all.
00:07:53.740 There are literally millions of things that exist that I believe I shouldn't have to provide to you
00:08:02.860 or pay for or give to you, yet I think you should still have the right to have those things.
00:08:09.480 I just don't want to be the one to pay for it. That's all. That's it.
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00:09:22.880 us box so that they know that I sent you. Third point here about the birth control thing.
00:09:32.900 I am getting really tired of hearing about this lack of access thing. The claim that women lack
00:09:40.300 access to contraception. You can access contraception anywhere. It practically rains from the sky in this
00:09:48.680 country. It all but rains from the sky. Do you need it to actually rain from the sky in order
00:09:52.780 to admit that you have access to it? Or I'm starting to think that, you know, with feminists,
00:09:57.720 even if birth control was literally raining from the sky, like you could wake up in the morning and
00:10:03.860 there's birth control strewn across your lawn like morning dew drops, you would still say that you
00:10:09.100 don't have access to it because you have to physically walk out and bend down and pick it up for
00:10:12.660 yourself. Until there is someone who will pick it up for you and ferry it into your house and place it in
00:10:19.780 your mouth for you, you're going to say I don't have access. If you really are having trouble accessing
00:10:27.160 contraception in this country, don't take this the wrong way, then you're too incompetent
00:10:31.180 to be having sex anyway. Maybe this is a good litmus test. If you can't figure out how to use
00:10:40.900 how to get your hands on contraception, then you are an incompetent and you shouldn't be having sex.
00:10:48.940 Because any competent adult knows that if you want birth control, if you want contraception,
00:10:55.560 you can find it in some form at Target, at Walmart, at any pharmacy, at any gas station.
00:11:04.120 You can get it for free at Planned Parenthood. And if it's that important to you to have it
00:11:11.160 covered by your employer, you can always go to any of the countless employers that cover it.
00:11:15.560 There is no problem of access. None. You can get it for free. You can get it for cheap.
00:11:23.440 You can get it over there. You can get it over there. You can get it anywhere.
00:11:25.720 You can get it on a train, in a plane, in a house with a mouse. It's like a Dr. Seuss book all of
00:11:32.720 a sudden. Well, no, don't get birth control from a mouse. But I mean, anywhere else you can pretty
00:11:39.160 much get it. There is no problem of access. None at all. Any competent adult, if they want
00:11:43.520 contraception, they can obtain it easily and cheaply. Once again, if you're struggling with this,
00:11:48.440 if you can't figure out how to get your hands on birth control, then don't have sex. And I'm not
00:11:53.340 saying that everybody should use birth control. What I'm saying, though, is that it's just a thing
00:11:59.080 that anyone should figure out how to get their hands on if they really want it.
00:12:05.940 Fourth point. Feminists like to say that their sex lives are none of our business.
00:12:11.300 They like to say that their bodies are none of our business. They like to say that their medical
00:12:15.400 decisions are none of our business. I agree wholeheartedly on every count. It is none of my
00:12:22.620 business. So stop talking about it. Shut up about it if it's none of my business.
00:12:32.480 It's a very odd thing to tell someone that something is none of their business and then
00:12:37.020 to all hours of the day and then and then and then next all hours of the day you're screaming about it
00:12:42.900 in their face. Usually if something is none of other people's business, you keep it to yourself.
00:12:50.080 What kind of adult goes around whining about their birth control anyway? How embarrassing.
00:12:58.360 That's your affair. It's your business. Your problem. It's not my problem. I'm sorry.
00:13:02.460 It's not your employer's problem either. What is this thing? I want to have sex, but I can't get
00:13:07.960 birth control. Who who goes around saying that? Well, OK, figure it out. What do you what do you
00:13:14.580 want us to facilitate your sex life? Are you serious? It's humiliating. I'm embarrassed for you.
00:13:25.080 If you don't want it to be an issue up for discussion, stop making it an issue up for
00:13:31.160 discussion. Figure out your own sex life and leave everybody else out of it, including your employer,
00:13:37.300 if he doesn't want to pay for it. Besides, if it's if it's none of anybody's business, what are you
00:13:43.500 going to your employer who oftentimes is a man and saying, give me birth control? I demand birth
00:13:47.880 control. Yeah, real strong and independent woman who does that.
00:13:54.700 Goes crawling and whining and crying to a male employer demanding birth control.
00:14:00.420 Fifth, the Trump administration is right. Religious liberty is not solely the province of religious
00:14:08.740 organizations. I don't have to be in a religious job or have a religious vocation to have religious
00:14:16.180 liberty any more than I need to be in the NRA to have gun rights. Now, you may not agree with people
00:14:24.520 who are opposed to birth control. That's fine. But many religions, not just Christianity, many religions
00:14:29.800 have problems with contraception because they see it as something that contravenes God's plan. I mean,
00:14:38.720 that's that's the basic reason why so many religions are against it. You may not agree. Doesn't matter. You
00:14:47.380 don't have to agree. You're allowed to not agree. This is America. But because it's America, if I run a
00:14:54.840 business, I can run my business according to my religious convictions. Don't like it.
00:14:59.340 Get another job. If you don't want to work for a devout religious person, don't apply for a job with a
00:15:07.700 devout religious person. Take some responsibility for your actions.
00:15:16.820 Now, just because someone has a religious objection to birth control, it doesn't give them the right to
00:15:23.780 come and pry it out of your hands. They can't break into your home in the middle of the night and steal
00:15:29.420 all your birth control. But it does give them the right to decide that they don't want to fund it,
00:15:36.340 provide it, facilitate it, or be involved with it in any way, shape, or form. And if you really value
00:15:43.060 your autonomy and privacy and dignity, you wouldn't want them to be involved in any way,
00:15:48.700 shape, or form. All right. I trust that everything I've said here will now settle the matter
00:15:58.860 rather than just inflaming feminists even more and making them more pissed off.
00:16:05.260 So let's go to, actually, I was going to say we're going to go to five headlines,
00:16:09.800 but we're not going to do five headlines today. Instead, I have just one headline that I want to
00:16:14.200 talk about at a greater length than I normally do for these news stories. So I'm shelving five
00:16:20.460 headlines just for today to talk about this, this being the case of Ahmaud Arbery. This is a case that
00:16:27.440 has sparked mass protests and outrage and lots of discussion. Much of the discussion has consisted of
00:16:33.820 reflexive and emotional reactions that don't help us get to the truth of the case. And that's usually
00:16:38.260 how these things go. Now, I, in fact, am one of the people who offered one of those unhelpful
00:16:44.280 emotional reactions, unfortunately, last night on Twitter. Twitter, always a great forum for talking
00:16:50.000 about these kinds of things. We'll get to all that in a moment. First, the basics of the case,
00:16:55.240 as far as we know, if you're not familiar with it. There is now video that has been released.
00:16:59.400 I'm not going to play the video because, I mean, it's not the kind of video everybody wants to see,
00:17:05.260 but you can easily go find it online if you want to see it. It shows a man running down the road,
00:17:10.860 in the road, and the video is being taken from behind by a guy in another car.
00:17:18.420 And then you see the running man, that's Arbery, come up to two guys who are stopped in the road.
00:17:24.020 They're in a pickup truck, stopped in the road. And you see Arbery go around the car like he's
00:17:34.080 initially trying to get away. And then the camera doesn't capture the first moment of the altercation.
00:17:40.840 But at some point, we see that Arbery approaches the man, one of the men with the guns. Now they're
00:17:48.660 struggling. There's a struggle that ensues between Arbery and one of the men. And then the second
00:17:54.860 guy who's in the pickup truck, standing on it, shoots three times, I think it was, and kills
00:18:00.160 Arbery. And he collapses and dies. That's what the video shows. This happened in February.
00:18:06.420 The men who did the shooting have not been arrested, haven't been charged. Now there's going to be a
00:18:11.660 grand jury, seemingly in response to the outrage. The claim being made by supporters of Arbery is that
00:18:19.780 they should have been arrested. This should have happened back in February. The only reason they're
00:18:26.520 doing it now is because we noticed. I think there may be some truth to that. This all happened in
00:18:32.840 Georgia, by the way. The men with guns are Gregory and Travis McMichael. They're white. Arbery's black.
00:18:40.200 The context appears to be that there had been some break-ins recently in the neighborhood. And from
00:18:46.380 the way that it's being reported, Gregory and Travis McMichael thought that Arbery looked like
00:18:52.540 the potential burglar who had committed other burglaries. There was apparently a series of
00:18:58.680 911 calls that were placed about Arbery and his presence in the neighborhood. But apparently none of
00:19:04.260 them identified any clear crime that Arbery was committing. So a couple of people called,
00:19:08.060 but it wasn't clear what they actually were concerned about that Arbery was doing.
00:19:13.340 One was, one mentioned that he had been seen on a construction site and maybe inside a half-built
00:19:19.420 home. It's not clear that the McMichaels saw any crime being committed. It's not clear if they saw a
00:19:29.240 crime being committed or if they just thought he looked like someone who had committed a crime in the
00:19:33.700 neighborhood at some point. They say, the McMichaels say, that they went to chase after Arbery
00:19:39.860 and make a citizen's arrest. And they say they pursued him for a while and he was trying to get
00:19:46.380 away and then they cut him off on the road, got out with guns. He went after them, attacked.
00:19:50.980 They killed him. So that's sort of their version of events. The odd thing is that the video shows the
00:19:56.500 few seconds leading up to this altercation and it doesn't look like Arbery is fleeing the scene of
00:20:02.140 a crime. He appears to be just jogging down the road. Now you'd think if he was running away from
00:20:09.500 a crime, he'd probably be trying to evade detection. He wouldn't be running in the middle of the street
00:20:13.280 in the middle of the day, but that's what he's doing. The narrative from supporters of Arbery is that
00:20:20.760 he was just out for a jog and he hadn't committed any crime at all. And that is being reported by some
00:20:28.680 media outlets as fact. I don't think it is established fact, but that's one version of
00:20:35.020 events that Arbery was out for a jog. I don't know if that's true or not. The video does seem to lend
00:20:44.320 credence to that version of events, but I don't know. He also seems to me to be wearing what you would
00:20:50.600 expect a person to wear if they were out for a jog and not what you would expect them to wear
00:20:55.220 if they were on a burglary spree. It's also the time of day where you would expect a jog and not
00:21:01.780 a burglary spree. But again, who knows? I don't know if Arbery really committed a burglary or not.
00:21:10.240 It's important to note though that Arbery is not accused of committing any violent crime so far as
00:21:16.360 we know at this point. I've also seen some people on social media who are more inclined to defend
00:21:23.940 McMichaels who are saying that Arbery had robbed. He committed a robbery. Well, there's a difference
00:21:29.200 between a robbery and a burglary and the difference is important. He's not being accused of being
00:21:35.200 involved in any robbery. He's being accused of being involved in a burglary, which is a property
00:21:40.660 crime. It's not like he held a gun to somebody and took their wallet. I think that distinction is
00:21:48.260 important. And as far as we know right now, there is no claim that he had on that day been witnessed
00:21:55.980 by the McMichaels committing a crime against them. We don't know if they witnessed any crime at all or if
00:22:05.140 they just had reason to believe that he had. We don't know. It's also important to note on the
00:22:11.340 other side of this that the police say there's a video of Arbery committing a burglary right before
00:22:15.880 all this ensued. That's what we're being told. We haven't seen that video. Is it the video of him
00:22:21.720 on a construction site? Is that what they're calling a burglary? I don't know. We haven't seen it.
00:22:28.400 So let me try to offer some thoughts on this. Those are the basics of the case so far as I
00:22:35.100 understand this so far. First of all, as I already said, the video is upsetting because a man dies
00:22:41.980 and you watch it happen. My initial reaction was an emotional one based on having witnessed that.
00:22:49.440 And I said on Twitter, as I said, always a great forum for these discussions,
00:22:54.160 that this is a clear cut case of first degree murder and the two shooters should get the death
00:22:59.320 penalty. That was my first reaction, which is stupid, obviously. It's angry and emotional.
00:23:05.040 It's a stupid thing to say on my part. I usually pride myself on being the rational and logical
00:23:10.340 one and not jump into conclusions without evidence. And that's generally how I approach
00:23:14.940 these things. I broke my own rule in this case. So I had to go back a couple hours later and amend
00:23:19.400 myself a bit because we certainly can't call this clear cut. And the idea that I could just declare
00:23:26.240 not only that it's murder, but what degree of murder it is, it's just dumb.
00:23:33.500 So there's a lot that isn't known. There's a lot of weirdness with this. The video is, along with
00:23:42.780 tragic, very weird for a number of reasons in that it doesn't appear to fully fit either side's version
00:23:48.640 of events, as far as I can tell. Though I do think at this point it fits the side of Arbery supporters
00:23:53.620 more, it seems to me. So based on what we know right now, it seems like
00:23:59.600 the two sort of opposite possibilities are this. One, Arbery was out for a jog.
00:24:09.960 The McMichaels thought he fit the description of a burglar, which of course has very strong
00:24:15.600 undertones of he's a black guy running in a white neighborhood, right? Has undertones of that.
00:24:22.220 We don't know if that's what it was, but those are the undertones that you can't get around and
00:24:28.420 there's no point in denying it. And so they went after him. He was out for a jog. They thought he
00:24:35.220 looked like he might be a criminal. They went after him. He was innocent. He defended himself because
00:24:40.240 he's got guys rolling up on him with guns. What else is he going to do? Are you going to go? I mean,
00:24:43.940 if two guys roll up in a pickup truck with guns, are you going to just do whatever they say? Maybe
00:24:48.920 you will, but I think other people will be more inclined to fight for your life because you don't
00:24:54.080 know what these guys intend. And then he was killed. So that's one possibility, one version of events.
00:25:01.420 The other possibility is this. Arbery was in the neighborhood committing crimes.
00:25:06.220 So far, there is no suggestion that he had that day committed any violent crimes or crimes against
00:25:15.000 persons. He was committing, by this version of events, he was committing a burglary or burglaries.
00:25:21.300 The McMichaels witnessed him doing it or had strong reason to believe that he had just done it.
00:25:27.600 Maybe we don't know what those reasons are yet. They go after him to make a citizen's arrest.
00:25:31.480 He tries to get away. They keep pursuing. They cut him off on the road. They grab their guns. He goes
00:25:37.320 after them. They kill him. Those seem to be the two possibilities right now. Maybe there's some
00:25:43.620 kind of in-between option between those two, or maybe the truth is something very different from
00:25:50.520 any of this. But I think for the truth to be something very different from either of the two
00:25:54.340 options I laid out, that would require there to be a very significant detail that right now we don't
00:26:00.700 know about. And maybe there is, right? I can't say if that detail exists or not. So I'm basing this
00:26:06.460 on what we know. And remember, this happened in February. It's not like it just happened and people
00:26:11.120 are making rush judgments. My point is there's pretty good reason to believe that we know basically
00:26:19.760 most of the story. And that there aren't any more shoes to drop. But maybe there are.
00:26:28.080 So here's my thing. In option one, they went after an innocent man. They approached him with guns.
00:26:36.960 And you don't pull a gun on someone unless you're willing to use it.
00:26:40.240 And now that innocent man is dead. And they have to pay for that.
00:26:47.880 So that to me is, if that's the case, then it is pretty clear cut. Now, in terms of assessing the
00:26:52.220 degree of murder and everything, well, that's, I'm not going to get into that again. But it's clear
00:26:58.440 that there's a very serious crime has been committed by the shooters. They need to go to jail and answer
00:27:03.240 for that. You can't just kill a guy while he's jogging because you think he looks like he might have
00:27:08.820 committed a crime, right? You can't go fully armed and loaded and chase a guy down who fits a
00:27:13.780 description. A guy who you think might have maybe committed a crime at some point in the past
00:27:19.060 and then try to apprehend him and kill him in the process. That is vigilantism at best. And it's
00:27:25.420 criminal. So if option one is true, then the shooters are fully in the wrong. They killed an
00:27:30.580 innocent man. And now it's just a matter of assessing the degrees and figuring out what their sentence is
00:27:36.200 going to be. What about option two? Well, as it stands right now, it's hard for me to see how they
00:27:44.840 wouldn't be in the wrong, the shooters, I mean, even if option two is correct. Let's say best case for
00:27:52.340 them, based on what we know, best case for them right now is they witnessed a burglary. Once again,
00:28:01.280 a burglary, not a robbery, let's say they witnessed a burglary. Does that give them the right to grab
00:28:10.160 their guns, chase him down, park in the street and wait to ambush him? Even if the ambush wasn't
00:28:19.300 supposed to be deadly, is that the right response? And if you do that as a, as a civilian and someone
00:28:26.600 dies in the process, are you not responsible for that? I believe in giving people a ton of leeway
00:28:34.040 when protecting their own property on their own property. So if you come onto a man's property
00:28:38.720 and he's there, even if you didn't intend him harm, he has every right to assume that you intend him
00:28:46.300 harm and to, and to react accordingly. So it is very rare that I hear of a case. In fact, I can't think
00:28:52.580 of any case off the top of my head where someone killed someone on their own property. And I think
00:28:57.960 that person who shot the gun should go to jail. I can't think of any case. I mean, maybe there's
00:29:02.920 been cases like that, you know, if there could be egregious other details, but, but I think a lot
00:29:10.220 of leeway when it comes to protecting your own property, your own life, your own family, right?
00:29:16.140 So I believe that. I would also say that if they witnessed this man attack someone, abuse someone,
00:29:24.800 someone said to me on Twitter yesterday, well, what if they had seen him, you know,
00:29:28.180 raping a woman or something like that? Would they be right to chase after him? Then I would say, yes,
00:29:33.720 chasing him down could be a form of defending the victim because this is a clearly a physically
00:29:40.480 dangerous man who's now on the run. He was just victimizing someone. And so chasing him down,
00:29:47.560 I think it was a valiant and courageous thing to do. And you are, you know, in a sense,
00:29:52.260 defending the victim, even if it is after the fact, because you don't know if this guy could come back
00:29:56.060 or anything like that. And yeah, you could call the cops, but he could still get away. You know,
00:29:59.500 you can't count on the cops to be there on time. And so you chase after him. But none of that,
00:30:04.900 it seems to apply to this situation. He's not, he's not being accused of committing any violent
00:30:09.460 crime against anybody. I haven't heard that even the McMichaels aren't making that claim.
00:30:13.400 No one's making that claim. At best, from what we know, they might have seen a property crime,
00:30:21.000 a burglary, and then they decided to take the law into their own hands and a man died in the process.
00:30:25.380 I think even then they have to be held accountable for that.
00:30:29.700 Unless there's some huge detail we don't know about, which is possible.
00:30:33.740 Another thing to think about, you know, people are saying,
00:30:37.660 why did Arbery attack the guys with the loaded guns rather than trying to run away?
00:30:43.300 Well, first of all, it seems like he did originally try to run away.
00:30:47.020 Second, put yourself in his shoes for a moment. Even if you did commit a burglary, right?
00:30:52.360 Okay, even so, that doesn't change this. Two guys with guns are chasing you down.
00:30:58.340 They stop their car, they get out, guns in hand. They're telling you to stop,
00:31:02.300 come with them, or at least come to them. They aren't cops. They're just random guys with guns.
00:31:09.440 Do you go with them? Do you stop? Do you listen? Do you have some kind of obligation to listen to
00:31:14.600 them? You might well think, look, these guys are going to kill me. I can't run because I can't
00:31:20.980 outrun a bullet. My only choice is to fight. It's a classic fight or flight scenario. And not everybody
00:31:28.980 is a fighter in that situation, but some people are. And I would say that, generally speaking,
00:31:34.340 fighting is the smarter choice. This is the problem with civilians doing this kind of stuff.
00:31:39.880 Now, if those were cops, then we could say two things. Number one, you have an obligation to stop
00:31:44.440 if they tell you to stop. That obligation may not be absolute. There could be situations where
00:31:49.000 even in that, you know, where you don't have to stop. But most of the time, you know,
00:31:53.420 a cop tells you to stop, you stop, and you listen. Number two, if you stop for a cop,
00:31:57.980 you can be reasonably certain they aren't going to kill you. Again, neither of those apply when
00:32:04.880 it's two random dudes in a pickup with guns telling you to stop. You have no obligation to listen to
00:32:11.360 them, to do what they say. As far as you know, they plan to kill you. And what if you did commit
00:32:20.080 a burglary? Does that mean that you just have to give yourself up to be killed? It's like, well,
00:32:24.040 they got me. I mean, if you're going to kill me, go ahead. I wouldn't do that.
00:32:30.440 In fact, I would go so far as to say if two random guys with guns pull up in a pickup truck,
00:32:34.360 the absolute last thing you should do is stop for them, listen to them, go with them. You should
00:32:40.240 fight them or run. You never go with a random guy with a gun when he tells you to. Never.
00:32:50.080 I mean, you got all these people now defending the shooters on the basis that, well, you should
00:32:55.800 have listened to them. What? So now you're saying that anyone who grabs a gun and points it at you,
00:33:00.720 you have an, not just that it's the smart thing to listen, but you have an obligation to listen?
00:33:06.880 No. No. Now, if they were cops, I would say the absolute last thing you should do is try to fight
00:33:14.100 the cops or flee them. But these were not cops. And that really, really matters. That's why we
00:33:22.440 don't do armed vigilantism in this country, in a civilized society, especially when the alleged
00:33:27.620 supposed crime burglary doesn't warrant that kind of reaction. I mean, I could even like, you know,
00:33:38.660 you know what, if this was a situation where a guy was committing some heinous crime against the
00:33:44.640 person, you caught him raping or abusing a child or something, and you hear about these kinds of
00:33:49.440 cases, and then the guy tries to run away and you chase him down and kill him. I would say in that
00:33:54.800 situation, you know, I would be in favor of, you could plead like temporary insanity. You were blind
00:34:00.480 with rage. And I would be in favor of letting somebody off on that basis. Not that we pass a law
00:34:06.960 saying it's legal to kill any one of you, but just in that situation, even I could see it because
00:34:12.860 you're so emotionally enraged by what you saw and that you lose control of your faculties. And given
00:34:20.140 the fact that the crime is so heinous, the blame for your reaction will fall on the person who committed
00:34:29.160 the heinous crime causing that reaction. So I could, but for a burglary, no.
00:34:36.960 Sorry. Uh, no, you don't chase down suspected burglars as a civilian and kill them.
00:34:45.860 So, um, that's where I am on this right now. Open to new information, but based on what we know,
00:34:50.380 that's where I am. Last thing. Okay. Uh, I said, this is going to be a lengthy discussion of this
00:34:54.600 on the racial angle. You know, obviously there's obviously that that's going to be a part of this
00:35:04.080 story. And there are, there are people that are being very irresponsible and trying to basically
00:35:10.220 stoke race rides. I mean, LeBron James came out last night and said something like, you know, uh,
00:35:16.740 every time a black man leaves his house, he's hunted down. Just completely reckless, irresponsible,
00:35:23.700 dangerous rhetoric, insane, absurd, totally divorced from reality. Right. And so there's been a,
00:35:30.240 there's been a lot of that. I mean, there, there are, there are irresponsible and bad people out there
00:35:34.040 who, uh, are interested in taking advantage of these kinds of situations to try to sow unrest.
00:35:41.720 We've seen that before in the past. And I'm very afraid of that happening here. Um, but so, you know,
00:35:48.680 just because I'm saying it looks to me right now, this is an unjust shooting and these people should
00:35:51.880 be held accountable. It doesn't mean go out and have a riot about it. And it also doesn't mean that
00:35:56.100 they were hunting down a black man out of some racial, uh, motivated by racial hatred. Maybe they
00:36:02.360 were, but we don't know that. What I will say is if it's, if option number two is correct, that they did
00:36:06.900 witness a crime, then I think that that doesn't necessarily justify what they did, but it
00:36:11.600 does pretty much remove the racial angle because then they're reacting to what they saw happen,
00:36:16.060 not to the skin color of the person who did it. And in order to, in order to prove a racial angle
00:36:21.480 there, you would have to prove that these guys in the past have seen white people committing crimes
00:36:25.280 and didn't chase them down, but only chase down black people when they see black people commit
00:36:28.640 crimes. And if that evidence exists, then present it. But I doubt that evidence does exist. So if,
00:36:32.900 if he did commit a crime, I think it takes the racial angle out. If he was an innocent man,
00:36:36.880 just going for a jog and, uh, they thought he fit the description of a burglar, then I think it's
00:36:43.840 hard at that point to avoid, um, the racial component of it. And it would seem like they
00:36:48.600 profiled him and he died in the process. And so, but you know, that's, so that's why between option
00:36:54.900 one and two, it does make a significant difference, which one it is, but I'm not sure that either option
00:36:59.760 would justify the shooting. Uh, okay. Now for your daily cancellation. And, uh, but before we do that,
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00:37:58.700 See you there. Okay. Now for your daily cancellation, and we'll do this quickly. I'm
00:38:03.000 canceling every media outlet, media person, and person in general who had any opinion about or cared
00:38:10.700 at all about or was upset about for any reason, the fact that Adele lost weight. So to back up here for
00:38:18.700 a second, Adele, the singer, obviously, apparently took a picture recently on Instagram and she was,
00:38:24.000 she was skinny. She had lost weight. Okay. Good for her. I mean, I think good for her.
00:38:30.360 Who cares at the end of the day, really? Uh, or even at the beginning of the day or
00:38:34.740 don't matter what time of day, who cares the weight or lack thereof of celebrities is just
00:38:40.580 not important, even a little bit. But this event of Adele losing weight provoked a lot of reaction
00:38:47.200 from people. And many articles were written, many articles, many entire, there are people who sat
00:38:53.220 down and wrote, wrote whole articles about Adele losing weight. Here are some of the headlines
00:38:57.260 inside Adele's weight loss experts sound off on her new look. What expert experts on what Adele looks
00:39:05.680 like? Adele appearance experts. Is that a, a major now in some colleges? I wouldn't be surprised.
00:39:15.320 The frenzy over Adele's weight loss has forced me to confront my own issue with body image.
00:39:21.040 Another headline. Let's not be amazed that multimillionaire Adele can lose weight.
00:39:26.380 Another one. Why the photo of a new slimmer Adele makes women feel like me feel uncomfortable.
00:39:31.540 Another one. Adele's new birthday photo thanking frontline workers sparks debate on body image.
00:39:39.040 And then CNN says, Adele lost weight. Are we allowed to praise that?
00:39:45.720 The controversy here is that by praising Adele for losing weight, could we be implicitly fat shaming?
00:39:52.280 Could we be insinuating that it's, it's, it's better to be skinny than fat? Could we be suggesting that
00:39:58.340 fat is not preferred, not ideal? And the answer to all those questions, of course, is yes.
00:40:07.220 We are suggesting that. As well, we should. Excess fat is bad. It's unhealthy. It can kill you.
00:40:16.020 It's better not to have it. Adele is a healthier person now than she was before when she had the
00:40:22.100 extra weight. That's it. Now, it doesn't mean you're a bad person if you're fat. It doesn't mean you're
00:40:26.540 worth less. It doesn't mean you have no value. Um, it doesn't mean that, uh, you're a better person
00:40:32.740 when you lose weight. It just means that it's better to lose weight. It's better not to be fat
00:40:38.120 than to be fat because you'll be healthier and you'll live longer and your internal organs will
00:40:43.540 fare better in the long run. And so will your skeletal structure and everything else about you.
00:40:48.140 Your body will be very happy that you're not fat anymore. And that's all. That's it. It's not
00:40:53.000 complicated, but this really is my problem with the whole fat acceptance thing. It's not just that,
00:40:58.200 that, that fat acceptance tells people to accept and celebrate unhealthy things about themselves.
00:41:03.660 That's a problem too. Don't get me wrong. But even more than that, it encourages people to be
00:41:08.260 self-obsessed, to see everything through the lens of their own ego, which is something we all do anyway.
00:41:13.780 We don't need more help with that. So a celebrity loses weight and their first thought is,
00:41:20.360 how does this affect me? Adele lost a, a famous singer in England lost weight. How does this
00:41:30.040 affect me? That's what I want to know. Answer. It doesn't at all. Not everything is about you.
00:41:37.880 You ridiculous narcissist. You're canceled. All of you canceled. Finally, since I've already gone
00:41:47.280 wildly off track and abandoned my normal show format, let's keep the chaos going and, um, throw
00:41:52.780 out the email segment for today. And for this, uh, cause I want to do a special segment about Mother's
00:41:59.340 Day with Mother's Day, fast approaching. Uh, I wanted to take a moment and I feel like I don't do this
00:42:05.840 enough, but I really wanted to give just some practical advice, uh, that might be helpful to you.
00:42:10.780 So we talk a lot about issues and ideas and everything. And oftentimes I feel like it's not
00:42:17.020 practical enough. And people say to me sometimes, what are the practical solutions, Matt? I mean,
00:42:21.280 you're all about complaining, which is true. It's my favorite thing to do. Give me some practical
00:42:26.160 steps, some practical things I can do. Okay, well, here you go. So for any guys out there, um, I'm going
00:42:31.020 to pass along five suggestions for Mother's Day gifts for your wife specifically. And these gifts
00:42:36.720 might, might work for your mom as well, but I'm really focusing on what you give to your wife, because
00:42:40.880 even though we're in the middle of a pandemic, you are not off the hook. All right. You definitely are
00:42:47.180 not. You've got to do something and you have to make it good too, because your wife is under a lot
00:42:51.420 of stress. So let's talk about these. Here are my four Mother's Day gift ideas. Number one, this is a
00:43:00.020 classic, kind of a cliche, uh, but there's a little bit of a twist to it. So first suggestion is a
00:43:06.580 mop. Now you're thinking, yeah, mop's a great gift, but I gave my wife a broom for Christmas.
00:43:14.660 Isn't this redundant? Well, no, first of all, because it's important to have the complete set
00:43:18.820 and your wife's going to be excited about that. She's going to call all her friends and say,
00:43:24.360 I finally got it. I got the full cleaning set like I always wanted, but also here's the twist.
00:43:30.800 You're going to give her a little card and inside the card, you're going to have suggestions for
00:43:35.160 areas of the house that really need to be mopped the most. And what she'll love, because it means
00:43:40.920 you're paying attention, is if you put the date of the last time that area of the house was mopped.
00:43:49.200 Uh, and so it puts a little urgency on it, but it also shows that you are paying attention
00:43:54.440 to the chores she does in the house and the chores she neglects. She will like that.
00:43:59.200 Number two, this one's pretty fun. Uh, it gives her, this is pretty creative, but get her a pair
00:44:06.840 of pants. That's intentionally three sizes too small. And on the inside of the waistband,
00:44:12.720 write a little romantic note that says you'll get there. Uh, number three. Now, if you're looking
00:44:20.020 for something that's maybe a bit more spiritual, I know there are a lot of, you know, devout Christians
00:44:24.220 who watch this show as, as I am as well. So here's a good one for you. Um, you can get your wife,
00:44:30.080 you know, those pictures people like to have in their homes now of like famous quotes and things
00:44:33.780 like that. So you could do that, but this one, it's going to be a framed picture of Ephesians 5.22.
00:44:41.000 Wives, submit yourselves to your husbands as you do the Lord. Of course, famous quote. Um,
00:44:47.620 important thing though, is don't include the rest of that passage that talks about all the stuff a
00:44:53.120 husband is supposed to do, because that's not really the point, is it? This is about her. It's
00:44:57.940 mother's day. It's not about you for finally, um, maybe so far the ideas haven't been quite
00:45:05.200 sentimental enough and you're looking for something that's very personal to you, very intimate, even
00:45:11.580 something that shows how much you love her, something that shows, um, you know, just how much
00:45:16.980 you care and that you really put some thought into it. So here's an idea. What you want to do is,
00:45:21.560 is, is, is think about a piece of jewelry. Think about a piece of jewelry that you bought for an
00:45:26.800 ex-girlfriend when you guys were dating and then go and get that same jewelry for your wife
00:45:32.040 explaining while you give it to her, tell her that this is the same jewelry that you bought for an
00:45:39.660 ex-girlfriend years ago. So the idea is it's kind of a symbolic passing of the torch from the
00:45:46.740 girlfriend to the wife. Even if you've been married for 10 years, it's not too late for the passing of
00:45:51.760 the torch. And then your wife will appreciate it even more if you kind of reminisce, um, with her
00:45:57.480 and tell her a few stories about the women you've dated and the fun things you did. Wives always love
00:46:02.220 to hear about that stuff, especially on special occasions. So those are my four Mother's Day gift
00:46:08.740 ideas. I'm not going to be using any of these ideas myself, uh, but only because I don't want to
00:46:14.740 take the ideas from any of you and I don't want to steal your thunder. So I'll be doing something
00:46:18.580 else, probably something along the lines of flowers, you know, boring, patronizing, insulting.
00:46:25.200 So don't do that. Take these ideas and you will not regret it. Trust me. And we'll leave it there.
00:46:31.780 Um, thanks everybody for watching. Have a great day. Godspeed.
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