Ep. 483 - If You're Still Scared, Stay Home. The Rest Of Us Will Get Back To Our Lives
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A new poll shows that 65% of Americans don t want the economy to reopen, and a news channel shamed a man for operating an ice cream truck. What does that have to do with the lockdown? And why should it continue?
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Today on The Matt Walsh Show, the media claims that many Americans still don't want to leave
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their homes and get back to their lives. They want to stay barricaded in their homes.
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They're not ready to be done with the lockdown yet. If that's true, fine. And that's why I
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propose that everybody who wants to get back to work and back to their lives can do so.
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And if you want to stay home, you can. I think that's the path forward. It's an easy solution.
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What's the problem? We'll talk about that. Also, five headlines, including
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the arrest of the two men who shot Ahmaud Arbery. And we'll talk more about that case today,
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especially in the email. It's got a lot of email about it. And in our daily cancellation,
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I cancel a news channel that shamed a guy for the crime of operating his ice cream truck.
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And you have to see this video just to see how proud of itself these quote unquote journalists
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are for shaming this guy. So we'll talk about all that coming up. But first, as mentioned,
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a new poll done by ABC says that 65% of Americans don't want the economy to reopen.
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Now, I have trouble believing these polls because they don't at all reflect what I hear when I talk
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to people. And I often think, even though it's unscientific, I do think sometimes your own
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anecdotal experience of just the vibe you get from people when you talk to them, I have found that to
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be more reliable than these media polls much of the time in many circumstances. But let's say for a
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minute, okay, these things are accurate. These are accurate polls. Well, fine. We still know,
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despite what supposedly 65% of Americans want, we know that there's no good reason for the lockdown
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to continue. There wasn't a good reason for the lockdown to begin in the first place.
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But almost everything we have learned in the last two months has made that truth inescapably
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clear. Okay, so to be in favor of the lockdown two months ago is one thing. To be in favor of it now
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is quite another. Because we have a lot of data under our belt now, a lot of experience.
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And it all points to the fact that there is no justification for this. Over 33 million people
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have been put out of work. Many businesses on the brink of or over the edge of bankruptcy,
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our economy teeters near total collapse, and all of this, not to prevent deaths or to stop the virus,
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but merely to delay the inevitable moment when we have to figure out how to live in spite of it.
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This is all a delaying tactic. There are still people, I think a lot of people in this poll
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don't understand. I think part of the reason why they're in favor of the lockdown is they still don't,
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and probably because they're getting their news from places like CNN, they don't understand
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what the lockdown is actually supposed to accomplish. It's not supposed to save any
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lives, really. It's just supposed to delay. It's a delaying tactic. For most of us,
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the risk of returning to our jobs and our lives is very low. The virus primarily victimizes the old
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and the infirm, which is why it has had a hugely disproportionate impact on nursing homes. As I
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argued a few days ago, I laid out the numbers. We talked about this. In many states and many
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countries, nursing home fatalities account for more than half. I mean, sometimes we're talking
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70, 80, 90% of all COVID-19 fatalities. When you add the elderly who are not in nursing homes,
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okay, so that's just specifically people in nursing homes. Then what about the 75 and over crowd who are
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not in nursing homes? And then you also add in people with preexisting conditions. It becomes evident
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that young and healthy people are very unlikely to die from this disease or to be hospitalized
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because of it. In fact, young and healthy people, I mean, the threat of death from COVID-19 for a
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young and healthy person isn't that much more than the threat from the flu. That's just, that's what
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the numbers tell us. I know we're not supposed to make these comparisons. I don't care. That's what
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the numbers tell us. Now, that doesn't mean that we should cavalierly throw aside all precautions and
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safety measures and just throw it all to the wind. No, that's not what it means. And that's another
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problem with these polls is that I think the way it is presented is do we have a lockdown or do we do
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nothing whatsoever and just pretend like everything is normal? Those are the two options that are
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presented. But that's not actually the people who want to end the lockdown, most of them, that is
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not what they, what we are proposing. You could still have plenty of safety measures, plenty of
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social distancing measures. You can take plenty of reasonable precautions while sort of going about
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your life. And if you do that, the threat level as a healthy person to you will be quite low.
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And we should be, and this is the point, we should be allowed to take that risk if we wish.
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For people who, for a culture that supposedly values autonomy and being pro-choice so much,
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I think this position should be appreciated. We should be able to choose to take that risk if we wish.
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But this brings up an important point. The argument, the retort is that, well,
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even if the young and healthy go back to their jobs, if we allow that to happen and we allow them
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to reclaim their lives, well, the problem is that they might spread it to people who are not in that
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category. So remember Governor Cuomo said a few weeks ago that for all the people who
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want to, for the people who have the audacity to want to get back to their jobs and feed their
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family, he said, it's not about you. It's not about you. It's not about you. It's about me.
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I mean, that's basically exactly what he said. And that's, that's, that's the argument. That's,
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that's the retort is, well, what about all the people? So you want to take the risk,
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but because you could become a carrier, are you not now forcing other people to take a risk?
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And also what about even healthy people who don't want to take the risk? What about them?
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Is, is it fair that all these people should have the risk foisted on them against their will?
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And that's where I say, no, it is not fair, but that's not what we're talking about here.
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Okay. So is it fair? Some of us want to go back to our lives, but are we not putting other
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people in harm's way? Is that fair? Well, it wouldn't be fair. It wouldn't be fair to put
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people in harm's way against their will, which is why I would be against forcing anyone to leave
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their homes. And the really good thing is that nobody, to my knowledge, has advocated such a policy.
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So I am not the only anti-lockdown person who would be against forcing people to leave lockdown.
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I think everyone, I'm not aware of any anti-lockdown person who wants to force this on anyone.
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That's not what this is about. In fact, this is the anti-force. It's the other side that's all
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about forcing people to do this and that. We're saying, no, this is not about force.
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Now, the way it is portrayed by the pro-lockdown crowd, you would think that those who oppose the
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lockdown want to mandate that everybody leave their home. But we are in favor of no such mandate
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and have not proposed one. This to me seems rather simple. If you want to remain in your home,
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You need not worry about anyone spreading it to you if you're still hiding behind locked doors.
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I don't even understand the concern. If you want to stay in lockdown and you're saying,
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you can't leave your home because you're going to spread it to me. How am I going to spread it to
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you? You're in your home. I'm not breaking in. So you're fine. What's the issue?
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You should be just as safe after the lockdown ends as you were before it ended because you're
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still personally staying in your home. No problem. But if you don't want to stay in your home,
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then you can leave. Only those who choose to take the risk should take it.
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And there's no reason why I should be prevented from taking the risk just because you don't want
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to take a risk. You and I are different people. We live in different homes. We don't have to make
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the same decision. That's the great thing about being autonomous beings. Whatever happened to that?
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Let me make my choices and you make yours. Now, a common counter-argument to this plan,
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so a counter-argument to my counter-argument, to their counter-arguments, we're a lot of counters now,
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but they'll say, well, if many people get back to work and business is open again,
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then some of the people who want to stay locked down might be compelled by their employers to
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come back to their jobs. So maybe there are people who are working from home right now,
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but if we start opening up again, maybe the employer says, you got to come to work or we're
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going to fire you. Or maybe their job has allowed them to, maybe they're furloughed or whatever the
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case is. The concern is if we open up the economy and I don't want to leave my home,
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whereas before my employer was accommodating it, they might not accommodate it anymore.
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Now, this strikes me as an ironic and hypocritical concern, considering the source.
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After all, if you're pro-lockdown, if you're in favor of continuing the lockdown,
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then you believe that 33 million lost jobs is a price worth paying.
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You're afraid you're going to lose your job if the lockdowns end. Well, the lockdowns themselves
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resulted in 33 million people losing their jobs. You were okay with that.
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In fact, you've probably scolded the people worried about losing their jobs for, quote,
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putting money over human life. So now what? You're doing the same? Now that you stand to lose
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your own job, suddenly job loss is a problem. 33 million unemployed people isn't enough to justify
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opening the economy, but one lost job, yours, is enough to justify keeping it closed?
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I mean, do you see why this line of reasoning is not particularly endearing or persuasive?
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People who have pre-existing conditions that put them at high risk of COVID-19 should be
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accommodated, I think, and provided for so that they can remain home. I don't think that we should
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be, you know, I think if someone is in a high risk category, either because of their health or their
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age, they should remain home and they should be accommodated, which is a lot easier to do than
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accommodating everybody. I mean, the government sending stimulus checks to everybody, or at least
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everybody under a certain income bracket, that's not sustainable. Sending stimulus checks to a much
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smaller group of people, a targeted smaller group of people who have to stay home because of their
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health condition, that I think is much more sustainable, and that's something we could do.
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The elderly, you know, most of them aren't working anyway, so they should remain quarantined.
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But the young and healthy ought to be given the option to return to work. If any young and healthy
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person wants to stay home indefinitely because they're afraid, they're free to make that choice.
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I don't think we should subsidize that choice. That's, that's, yes, that's correct. If you're
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young and healthy, you're not sick, you're not elderly, I don't think you should be forced out of
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your home, but I do think the lockdown should end, and I don't think we should subsidize you. I don't
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think you should get any checks from the government. You know, if you want, if you want to stay home
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indefinitely because you're afraid of germs and viruses, you're free to do that, but you got to
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figure out how to make that work for yourself. I don't think that it's society's job to make that
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work for you. We're going to get the economy going. We're going to, we're going to get society rolling
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again. If you don't want to be a part of that, fine, but we're not going to pay you. You know,
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we're not going to pay you to do nothing. But again, these are the people who like to preach
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about the superfluousness of financial concerns during a time like this. These are the very people
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who've been saying, how dare you be concerned about finances? All right, well, now I'm saying to you,
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how dare you be concerned about it? You didn't care about the finances of 33 million people who lost
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their jobs. Am I supposed to care about yours? I mean, you'll forgive me if I treat your financial
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situation as superfluous, considering you've done that to everybody else in the country.
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And now it's a problem. Now, if your financial concerns are not superfluous, then you might
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decide that it's worth it to get back out into the world and take the risk. And that's a decision
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you should have the power to make. We should all have the power to make. Let everybody figure out
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their own priorities, their own needs, their own acceptable level of risk. Let them choose
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which door they're going to walk through and then walk through the door.
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That's what it means to live in a free country.
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Let's move on to headlines. Number one, we talked yesterday at length about the case of Ahmaud Arbery,
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who was shot dead in the street by Gregory and Travis McMichael. The McMichaels father and son duo
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claimed they were just making a citizen's arrest. But for reasons that I went into detail explaining
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yesterday, that excuse just really doesn't wash at all. Now the McMichaels have been arrested. A day
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after the video went public, arrests were made. But the shooting happened back in February.
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And prosecutors have had this video in their possession for a while now. So why did it take
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public outcry to spur arrests? That alone is an enormous outrage. It would seem that local law
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enforcement intended to cover this up and let the killers go without facing any kind of trial.
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And if that video doesn't come out, these guys are still on the street. That seems obvious.
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Remember, the first two prosecutors in this case recused themselves because of their connection to
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the elder McMichael. It's obvious that the people, the powers that be down there making these decisions
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in Georgia really didn't want to prosecute these guys, really didn't want to. Well, and why is that?
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Many people say it's because of racism. I think another potential explanation is that the elder
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McMichael is a former cop. And to me, this all reeks of cops trying to cover for one, for their own,
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you know, cops looking out for their own kind of thing. That's, that's, that's what it seems to me to be.
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And it certainly wouldn't be the first time that happens.
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Number two, the unemployment rate is 14.7%. Or in fact, numbers just came out today.
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The unemployment rate was 14.7% in April, which is officially the highest unemployment rate since the
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Great Depression. And I think the highest unemployment rate since they started officially
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tracking these numbers in the 40s. When you factor in the people who are underemployed and that they
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went from full-time to part-time, that number is 23%. Remember, that's just April. And remember,
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this does not count the millions of people who haven't filed or couldn't file or, or don't qualify
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for unemployment. So the worst unemployment rate since the Great Depression is actually an
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understatement. That's actually a very conservative way of putting it. And we did all this. We locked
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33 million workers in their homes because of a virus that mostly kills people in nursing homes.
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And then we kept sending infected people into the nursing homes. Amazing.
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I really believe historians of the future will spend their whole careers trying to figure out
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what happened here and why we did what we did. And they won't be able to understand it. And I don't
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understand it either. Three, speaking of nursing homes, reading now from the Daily Wire, it says,
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unbelievably, despite the fact that elderly people in senior care centers have been the hardest hit
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demographic in the coronavirus crisis, the state of California, where Governor Gavin Newsom has
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instituted harsh lockdown measures, is asking assisted living facilities to house elderly patients
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infected with the coronavirus in exchange for money. So we know in New York, there was a mandate
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passed back in March, forcing nursing homes to take infected people.
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And there was one we talked about a few days ago, there was one nurse come in particular
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that had had no coronavirus cases or deaths. They were forced to take in two coronavirus cases.
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And then shortly after they had 30 people die. And that is a direct result of the mandate of the
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policy in New York, which means it's a direct result of the actions of Governor Cuomo. I mean,
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he has that blood on his hands. I don't see any way around that. And now you've got similar things going on
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in other parts of the country. In California, they're going to bribe you to take in coronavirus
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patients. It's incredible. I mean, to have this level of incompetence, and it's still happening,
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even now. And I also don't want to hear, when I talked about this a few days ago, some people,
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the excuse some people offered is, what else are you going to do? If you have an elderly person who has
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coronavirus, where else are you going to put them? They need around-the-clock care. Where else are
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you going to put them? Here's my answer to that. Literally anywhere else, okay? Anywhere else would
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be a better place than a nursing home. And besides, what about all these extra facilities
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that were set up, especially in New York? They set up all these extra facilities that, I mean,
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they brought in ships and everything. Most of that stuff ended up going empty. What about putting the
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elderly coronavirus patients there and giving them round-the-clock care? Instead of setting them
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right back into a nursing home, and nursing homes, which, by the way, were not given time to set up
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and be prepared to handle this. And so the virus spread like wildfire.
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And yet, these governors who are doing this, Cuomo, Newsom, you know, the governors who have the worst
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outbreaks and have handled it most incompetently, they're the ones hailed by the media. The media is
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constantly falling to their knees, polishing Andrew Cuomo's shoes, talking about what a great job he's
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doing, how they should replace Biden with him. And yeah, I mean, anybody would be better than Biden
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for the Democrats, probably at this point, but even Andrew Cuomo. But here's the way the media is
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presented. You want to talk about living in an upside-down world. The governors who have the,
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who've had the worst outbreak and have had the worst response to the outbreak, they're the ones who
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are hailed as heroes, while the governors who have the, who have, who have best controlled their
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outbreaks, like in Florida, are somehow the villains of coronavirus. The way the media talks
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about the governor of Florida, who not coincidentally is a Republican, I mean, they're trying to make him
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out into the, um, into the great villain of this story. They don't have a serious outbreak in
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Florida. I mean, we, we've been told over and over again that there would be a serious outbreak.
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Remember the, uh, spring breakers. Everyone was freaking out about the spring breakers. Oh my
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gosh, the spring breakers are going to kill us all. What, what ended up happening with that?
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They went home and they were fine. We were told that five or six of them had coronavirus. What,
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did they die? No. Apparently it was okay. It really worked out fine, actually.
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Four, um, and, oh yeah, and, and Andrew Cuomo, on top of sending coronavirus patients into nursing
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homes, he also decided to clean the subway system for the first time this week. This thing's been
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going on for two months and this is the first time that he shut down services overnight to actually do
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a thorough cleaning of the subway system. Yeah, but what a brilliant, what a brilliant leader,
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brilliant leader. What great brilliance. I mean, give me, give me one good. Can anyone,
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I keep hearing how brilliant of a leader he is, but why, what has he actually done? That's good.
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Point to the success. He sounds great in press conferences. Yeah. His press conferences are
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great. Great press conferences really comes off great. And he has those cute little, um,
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interviews with his brother on CNN. Aren't they so cute together? That's what matters.
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Which even that, can you imagine if Fox news had a employed, a member of the Trump family?
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Imagine if Don jr had his own show on Fox news and, uh, he did every night did interviews with his dad.
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Where he was just telling his dad, how great he is.
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Do you think the left and the media, do you think they would be
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gushing about how cute and wonderful and lovely these moments are between father and son,
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the way they do with the brother, brother thing on CNN? No, they would say this is outrageously
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inappropriate. This is bad journalism. We're in the middle of a pandemic. Okay. If you,
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if you've got someone on an elected official who's, who's heading up the response to this,
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uh, whether in New York or nationwide, you need to actually ask him some good questions. Don't,
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don't bring in a family member to question him.
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Four. And, um, here's an odd way to pay tribute. Here's a tweet from NY, the NYPD. It says,
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jet blue aircrafts will conduct a flyover over Manhattan, uh, over Manhattan Queens and the
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Bronx to salute frontline first responders and healthcare workers. The aircrafts will fly at
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approximately 2000 feet. Please follow social distancing guidelines. If viewing in public,
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oh my gosh, what, what are we doing? First of all, it's New York. Why would you think that people
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are going to be excited to see commercial aircraft flying low to the ground through the city? Like
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of all the ways to pay tribute in New York? How is that your go-to? And meanwhile, the NYPD is
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constantly, you know, they're arresting people for not social distancing. And now you're staging a,
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a spectacle for people to come outside and see. Number five. Okay. There's too much anger. I got to
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calm down. I need to find something positive. Okay. So here we go. I, you know, I, I play a lot of
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TikTok videos, um, on this show for good reason, because that's always news, relevant news. Usually
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it's TikTok videos that have gone viral, uh, and usually in a, in a negative way, but I want to
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inject a little positivity. So here's a viral TikTok video that I personally found both informative and
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inspiring. Watch this. Hey guys. So I get a lot of questions about hot tea. So today I wanted to show
00:25:32.760
you what this American girl likes as hot tea. So I mix a lot of ingredients together. So first is one
00:25:39.360
cup of Insta tea, two cups of Tang, country time lemonade, one cup of sugar, another cup of sugar,
00:25:48.280
a little bit of cinnamon, a little bit of cloves, mix it all together. Put some water in a cup,
00:25:56.880
heat your water in the microwave, add a few teaspoons to your hot water, give it a little stir.
00:26:02.320
And that's what I like for hot tea. That looks delicious. I, that's, you see, true, true culinary
00:26:09.180
geniuses are never appreciated in their own time. So people are making fun of this woman for that
00:26:13.880
recipe, but she will be remembered by history and revered. And in fact, this snack kind of reminds
00:26:20.060
me of a snack that I came up with. If you're looking for a meal to eat with that delicious tea,
00:26:26.160
here's one. You could try this lightly fry some bacon. You wrap it around a Snickers bar,
00:26:33.020
cover with shredded cheese, pop it in the microwave for five seconds, just enough to get
00:26:37.740
the cheese a little bit melty. And then you top it with gravy, eat it with a fork and knife.
00:26:42.460
I'm telling you, you won't regret it. You might regret it, but, but it's good anyway.
00:26:48.820
Especially if you happen to be say on death row, uh, and you're looking for a last meal,
00:26:54.460
you've given up all hope of living, then I would recommend that one too. All right. Now for your
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Okay. Now for your daily cancellation, I am canceling everybody who had anything to do with
00:28:27.580
this segment from CNN. That iconic music screams summer and we all scream for ice cream.
00:28:40.920
But during a pandemic, social distance, the rule getting close to the ice cream man could mean
00:28:46.520
getting something else. Fact of life. Yet here's Mr. Freeze, not his name in his truck of treats,
00:28:52.720
unmasked, unglugged, taking cash for cones in the Northwest burbs.
00:28:59.540
That's when CBS2 Assignment Editor, Greg Kelly, father of two, dead on a bike, said, wait a minute.
00:29:05.960
You think it's a good idea to be doing this with the stay at home order? COVID-19.
00:29:09.760
Eventually, our Greg got a bit closer, tried to get an answer from Mr. Freeze. Again, not his name.
00:29:16.280
Why are you selling ice cream to children without wearing a mask?
00:29:22.920
Why are you trying to? Are you sick? Am I sick? No, and I want to say that.
00:29:27.880
I'm not sick either. Why are they quarantining healthy people? This is not a law.
00:29:33.960
At this time, face coverings are required in public situations where social distance cannot be
00:29:44.300
Right. You got the permit before the stay at home order went into place.
00:29:48.540
I can't understand what you're saying. Back up and remove the mask.
00:29:53.740
He drove off after the questioning by our assignment desk editor, dad, biker, and journalist, Greg Kelly.
00:30:06.600
But this all happened in Hoffman Estates, and tonight we'd learn ice cream trucks there are banned,
00:30:12.460
have been for years. The village manager tells us if you see that ice cream man, call 911.
00:30:18.000
I just, honestly, if you told me that segment was done as a parody of the lockdown and of all the
00:30:28.120
paranoid neighborhood snitches, if you told me that was a parody, a satire of the coronavirus
00:30:33.600
busybodies, I'd believe you. I would believe that that was some kind of Babylon Bee skit.
00:30:40.160
100% I would believe it. It is hard to believe that that is real, but it is real.
00:30:46.520
And I'll tell you what makes it hard to believe, even though it is, again, indeed, definitely real.
00:30:52.020
But, see, I can always understand. I'm never perplexed when a person does something very stupid.
00:30:59.800
That never confuses me. I get it. There are dumb people out there who do dumb things.
00:31:03.020
But when that very dumb thing has to go through an approval process and a bunch of other people have
00:31:11.560
to be involved in it, and so now you've got this whole chain of dumbness, and throughout that entire
00:31:19.260
chain, nobody apparently even once spoke up and said, wait a second, guys, I think this might be
00:31:25.080
very dumb. That's when it perplexes me. And they're so proud of themselves. The tool bag on the bike,
00:31:33.300
the reporter, everyone, they post this on social media. They're so proud. CBS, they're so proud of
00:31:39.580
it. They thought, now this is great work, guys. It's not just that they didn't think it was dumb.
00:31:45.340
They thought they had a hit on their hands. They thought they had a Pulitzer Prize winner,
00:31:49.520
which, who knows, maybe they actually will win a Pulitzer Prize, considering who they give Pulitzers
00:31:52.540
to these days. But they thought they had something, and they'd be getting applause from everybody for
00:31:57.800
this. That's what they thought. Here they are harassing and shaming a man who's trying to
00:32:02.700
make a living. Here they are bullying a working class guy in an ice cream truck, and they feel
00:32:08.220
totally vindicated, totally righteous, like they're fighters for truth and justice in the
00:32:12.400
American way. It's amazing. What absolute idiots. And that's the most charitable thing I could possibly
00:32:18.400
say about them. I have an idea. Here's a better idea, okay? Mind your own damned business. Leave this
00:32:26.580
guy alone. Let him earn a living. You earn a living if you're in the media. You still have a
00:32:34.540
job. God forbid this guy try to make some money, too. What? You're the only person that's allowed to
00:32:39.580
make some money? That a-hole on the bike? What he's basically saying is, excuse me, sir, are you
00:32:45.540
trying to earn money? No, no, no. Only I can earn money. I can earn money. You can't. How dare you,
00:32:50.840
sir? Try to earn money? Like me. My needs earned money. I'm important, but you're just an ice cream
00:32:56.520
truck driver. I mean, even if it was necessary to shame this guy, which it isn't at all, not even a
00:33:07.380
little bit at all. No, it's not at all. But even if it was, why would you think that you, as a person in
00:33:13.420
the media, someone who has a job and is well compensated, why would you think that you, of all
00:33:21.040
people, should be the person to do it? Just really disgusting. Meanwhile, this guy is outside.
00:33:29.600
He's serving children outside. The virus doesn't really spread outside. Kids don't really contract
00:33:37.020
it or spread it. This is one of the safest jobs in the world to do. There is no reason. And if
00:33:43.380
anyone's being put at risk, it would be him as the ice cream truck driver. If anybody's at any,
00:33:48.920
and you know, he's not really at any real risk either. But if anybody's at risk, it's him. So
00:33:52.460
he's making a decision because he wants to earn a living and he wants to, and he wants to sell some
00:33:57.320
ice cream. There is no reason why ice cream trucks shouldn't operate during this. In fact, I think we
00:34:03.520
could all use some ice cream right now. I think we could use the sound of an ice cream truck driving
00:34:07.600
down the street. There should be more of them, not less. We should be setting out fleets of ice cream trucks.
00:34:13.380
How about, how about injecting a little bit of joy and normalcy into all of this bleak,
00:34:19.200
you know, madness, especially kids. Kids have been locked in their homes. They can't see their
00:34:28.040
friends. I got four of them. It's, it's tough on the kids and they don't, they don't understand why
00:34:33.140
they can't leave that. I don't understand it either. Uh, they especially don't understand it. So
00:34:38.260
I think it's great. Not only is it great, this guy's earning a living. I think it's great that
00:34:43.040
he's, you know, something a little bit normal and something fun for kids so they can enjoy
00:34:50.080
themselves through all of this. We've taken everything away from them. We've taken their
00:34:54.720
friends from them. We've taken away the playgrounds and we've taken away birthday parties and everything.
00:35:00.080
You know, Easter took that away from everybody, not just the kids. Um, uh, it's just cancellation is, uh,
00:35:13.320
should only be the beginning of our response to that. Okay. Let's move on to emails. You can always
00:35:23.900
email the show. If you become a daily wire member, you can email. Um, even if you're not one of the
00:35:28.460
elite insider plus members, you can still email the show, uh, but you know, I might not respond
00:35:33.860
to the email because frankly, I only respond to the most elite people because I am an elitist
00:35:40.240
myself. This is from Marshall says, hi, Matt. Love the show. Question. Have you seen plandemic?
00:35:45.260
What did you think? Yeah. Plandemic is this video that's going around. Uh, I haven't seen it yet.
00:35:51.400
I've been asked about it a million times. I've heard a lot about it. Uh, as I admit, I have not seen it.
00:35:56.960
So I can't say a lot about it. A couple of things I will say. Usually whenever I say I can't say much
00:36:03.780
about something, that's a prelude to me saying a lot about it. So, uh, number one, I know that
00:36:08.300
they've been taking this thing down for, I guess they took it down from YouTube, took it down from
00:36:12.860
Facebook, Twitter, Vimeo. I mean, I think they've taken down and I'm, I'm absolutely against that.
00:36:18.680
I don't think they should be removing the video. They should let people watch it and form their own
00:36:22.620
opinions. Um, but first of all, if, if you're a skeptic about the government's narrative
00:36:33.560
with respect to coronavirus, I think that's good. You should be skeptical. I'm skeptical too. But
00:36:39.460
if you're a skeptic, then you shouldn't go and watch some, uh, internet documentary
00:36:45.760
and implicitly trust everything it says. Cause then you're not a skeptic. Okay. Then, then you're,
00:36:55.360
you're just a sort of a cultist too, but you're looking for a different cult to join.
00:37:00.480
And so it always makes me uncomfortable. I, you know, there's every time there's some big news
00:37:04.240
event, there's always like a, one of these conspiracy videos making its way online. And there are people
00:37:10.060
who become devotees of this video and they say, yeah, you got to watch it. Um, it's like with nine
00:37:17.480
11, that was, what was it? Zeitgeist, that, that, that, that thing. And, uh, yeah. So I don't know. I
00:37:23.620
haven't seen it, but what I would say is you should definitely watch it with a very healthy dose of
00:37:29.020
skepticism. And I can say that without seeing it because you should have skepticism about everything,
00:37:32.640
um, which is just another way of saying being a critical thinker. And then, uh, and then beyond that,
00:37:38.400
I would also say, I don't know how much this thing gets into the conspiracy arena because I haven't
00:37:43.640
seen it. Just the name of it, plannedemic makes it sound like conspiracy. It was planned, right?
00:37:49.100
It seems to be implied. Um, I think we should remember that it, most of the time with the
00:37:57.300
government, uh, you don't need to get into conspiracy theories to understand what they're doing and why
00:38:03.680
they did it. Usually things like just really simple, but sort of more boring explanations are
00:38:09.460
available and are far more plausible. Most of the time, like moral cowardice, incompetence,
00:38:14.580
selfishness, political posturing, those sorts of things that explains most of what the government
00:38:20.600
does. You don't need to get into smoky rooms, plans being hatched. If that's what this thing does,
00:38:29.000
I don't know if it does or not, but you don't, there's no need for that. And, uh, because we
00:38:34.620
can explain. So most of what has happened with the coronavirus response, it's, you know, I keep
00:38:40.700
saying, I don't understand it while I'm being facetious. I do understand it. I know why they're
00:38:43.980
doing it. Most of them for the reasons I just gave it's cowardice. Okay. There are a lot of governors
00:38:51.940
who jumped on this bandwagon because they didn't want to be one of the ones to stay open. And, uh,
00:38:57.160
you know, and, and then they were afraid that even, even if it's the right thing to do,
00:39:00.640
they were afraid that the body count would be blamed on them and they didn't want that.
00:39:03.960
So they were just covering their own asses. Um, a lot of incompetence. They just don't know what
00:39:09.840
they're doing. A lot of selfishness. They're only worried about their own, you know, themselves and
00:39:15.220
their own image. A lot of political posturing. They're just trying to figure out what's the,
00:39:19.180
what's the best political move here. Not what's actually the best thing to do. What's the best
00:39:22.820
political move. And so I think there's been a whole lot of that. And, um, that unfortunately
00:39:28.940
is enough to explain why we plunged ourselves into a great depression and put 33 million people out of
00:39:36.460
work to address a virus that mainly kills people who are 85 years old or over, over. Okay.
00:39:43.020
Let's go to Thomas says, Matt, I think you're too hard on some of our elected officials when it comes
00:39:49.400
to the coronavirus response. There was a lot we didn't know early on. They acted on the best
00:39:53.180
information we had. Some of that information was bad. Blame China. I think that's where your anger
00:39:56.780
should be. No, I disagree with you. Yeah. I mean, blame China. We should be angry at China, but,
00:40:01.440
um, I think that in our anger at China, we should not lose sight of the fact that our own government
00:40:05.740
deserves quite a lot of anger as well. In fact, um, the great depression that we're now heading into
00:40:11.020
and 33 million people unemployed, that is not the fault of China actually. That's because China
00:40:16.160
isn't the one who set our policy. Yeah. They may have sent the virus here, uh, sent in the,
00:40:22.080
in the sense of it emanated from, from them and perhaps from one of their laboratories.
00:40:26.940
So it may be their fault that the virus came here, but they didn't set the policy. They didn't
00:40:32.600
decide how to respond to it. They responded how they responded, but they didn't make that decision
00:40:38.140
for us. We made that decision. And by we, I mean government, people in government, bureaucrats
00:40:42.620
and elected officials. So they should get a hell of a lot of, of our anger. And, um, you say we
00:40:48.580
didn't have all the information early on. Well, sure we didn't, but there was a lot of stuff we did
00:40:51.500
know early on. The fact that it mainly affects the elderly. We knew that early on the fact that
00:40:56.840
it doesn't seem to be affecting children that much. We knew that early on. I mean, there was a lot of
00:41:00.300
basic stuff we did know early on and there were epidemiological experts and so on who from the
00:41:07.120
very beginning were saying, this is not the right approach. It's just that the powers that be decided
00:41:13.640
to listen to different quote unquote experts. And I think they made that decision for all the reasons
00:41:18.280
I just outlined. And also, even if we didn't know everything, no, you don't shut down your economy
00:41:27.660
and destroy your society just in case. Let's just shut it all down and figure it out as we go along.
00:41:36.500
No, that's not the right response. That's not what you do. You don't put 33 million people out of work
00:41:42.740
just in case, right? Just as a, just as a precautionary measure while we kind of figure out
00:41:49.660
what's happening. I would argue that that is not the right response. I would argue that if you don't
00:41:55.760
have all the information and you don't know exactly what's going on, that's all the more reason not
00:41:59.960
to do exactly what they did. Okay. This is from Paul finally says, your analysis of the Georgia
00:42:05.580
shooting was terrible in many ways. You always say you want citizens to step up and not rely on the
00:42:10.420
government. Well, that's what a citizen, that's what a citizen's arrest is all about. They were doing
00:42:14.280
exactly what you say people should do and handling a situation to protect their neighborhood.
00:42:18.420
I think you're just trying to appease the left by buying into the racism narrative. Okay, Paul.
00:42:22.880
And I've heard this about appeasing the left many times in the last couple of days. And
00:42:29.160
first of all, do you really think, do you really think I'm trying to appease the left?
00:42:36.740
You think, you think that's what I'm worried about doing?
00:42:41.860
I mean, did you watch the show yesterday where I spent the first 20 minutes
00:42:45.360
basically insulting feminists and about the birth control issue? It's like, if I'm trying to
00:42:52.680
appease the left, do I do that? Is that a segment I decide to do?
00:42:57.520
Look at my whole body of work. You think appeasing the left is my goal? Because if it is, I am really
00:43:06.020
bad at it. I, I, if it is, I am the worst appeaser that has ever walked the earth.
00:43:12.920
No, consider the possibility that I'm not trying to appease anyone. I'm just telling you how I feel
00:43:20.340
about it. Consider the possibility that I'm a human being with a brain and I'm trying to
00:43:26.160
evaluate a situation and come to my own conclusion. This idea that, that every time you happen to agree
00:43:34.280
with the left on a particular issue, you're appeasing them is so dumb and so boring. Just stop it with
00:43:43.460
that. Do you really, is that what you think? Do you, do you think every, what do you, how do you
00:43:50.280
evaluate an issue? Because it seems to me, Paul, that you and a lot of other people, what you do
00:43:53.460
is, um, a situation occurs and you look at whatever the left is saying and you just say the opposite.
00:44:01.620
Okay. That's no better than just fall. That's the same thing as following the crowd. That's the
00:44:06.640
same thing as being a bandwagon jumper. That means you're not thinking for yourself rather than judging
00:44:12.280
every issue by looking at what some other group is saying and taking the opposite and unthinkingly
00:44:19.920
taking the opposite position. Rather than doing that, why not use your head, look at the evidence,
00:44:26.760
read the police reports, read, watch the video, listen to the 911 calls and come to your own
00:44:32.300
conclusion. If you do that, I do not see how you could possibly really believe based on what we know
00:44:37.960
that this was a legitimate citizen's arrest. Come on. In fact, we know that it's not, and I'm not even
00:44:44.460
basing this on anything other than what, uh, the McMichaels themselves said. So based on their own
00:44:51.620
version of events, this was not a legitimate citizen's arrest. Because what do we know from
00:44:58.020
them? What do we know? We know two things. Number one, they did not see a crime occur. Number two,
00:45:03.220
they thought he looked like someone who had committed a crime. Not that he, that they saw a crime. We know
00:45:07.260
that. Number two, we also know that they grabbed their guns and, uh, and went after him and told him
00:45:15.580
they just want to talk. That's not a citizen's arrest. Brandishing a gun, and they were brandishing.
00:45:22.280
When you're holding a gun, that's brandishing a gun. Um, it's not like they had the gun holstered.
00:45:27.540
Uh, I mean, the one guy was holding a shotgun. So, but, but he, he, so they were brandishing.
00:45:31.980
Brandishing a gun. Brandishing a gun. Chasing after somebody. Brandishing a gun and telling them you
00:45:37.240
want to talk to them. That is not a citizen's arrest. That is not how a citizen's arrest works.
00:45:42.880
Is not. No. You do not have the authority to do that.
00:45:53.740
And if you're a, uh, if you're another random dude and, and, and some random dudes roll up on
00:46:01.080
you with guns and say, come here, we want to talk to you. You don't have any responsibility to listen
00:46:04.980
to them. You have every right and every reason in that scenario to think they mean you harm.
00:46:11.440
Because you don't grab a gun and go up to a guy in a hostile way, uh, unless you're willing to use it.
00:46:17.660
And so if you're the one being pursued, you have every reason, every right to think that they mean
00:46:22.200
you harm and to respond accordingly, which is what this man did. No, they were not defending
00:46:27.700
themselves. He was defending himself against people who came after him with a gun.
00:46:34.780
Not a citizen's arrest. You've got to drop that. That's not what it was. In fact,
00:46:38.040
like I said, listen to the 911 calls. Someone did a 911 call. And I, you know, I saw this 911 call
00:46:43.480
because defenders of the McMichaels were spreading it around online as if it's some kind of, uh, you know,
00:46:49.140
pardon the expression, some kind of smoking gun, um, uh, evidence in, in favor of the McMichaels.
00:46:54.540
So I listened to the 911 call and it, it makes them look even worse. The 911 call was, it wasn't
00:47:00.940
one of the McMichaels. It was some other guy called the police to report that there was a guy in a,
00:47:08.580
on a construction site in a half built home. That was a home that's open. And, uh, that,
00:47:15.520
that was the report. And the 911 operator asks him, is he breaking in? Did he break in?
00:47:20.460
And the guy on the call says, no, it's open. And then he's asked, and then the 911 operator asked,
00:47:26.340
what is he doing wrong? We'll send the cops. Tell me what he's doing wrong. The guy can't explain it.
00:47:30.560
The guy doesn't give any reason of what he's doing wrong. Just that he looks kind of weird.
00:47:34.460
He's on a construction site. And then he leaves and he runs off. That's it. So the 911 call is that a guy
00:47:40.720
was on a construction site in the middle of the day and was in a half built, half built home briefly
00:47:45.420
and then left. And you think that's reason for three armed men to chase him down? Are you kidding
00:47:53.160
me? Come on. What do you think? Do you think if I'm, what if I'm in, uh, I'm in a Walmart and, uh,
00:48:03.320
I see a guy looks like he might've shoplifted, but I'm not sure. He looks, he looks sort of like a
00:48:08.200
guy who would shoplift, you know, um, uh, would I be justified if, and let's say I'm carrying a gun,
00:48:14.780
you know, would I be justified in pulling my gun out, following him into the parking lot
00:48:19.940
and saying, holding my gun saying, come here, I want to talk to you.
00:48:25.820
And then if he gets scared because he thinks I'm trying to abduct him or kill him, which would be
00:48:30.260
a reasonable conclusion and a struggle ensues and I shoot him dead in the parking lot, but you think I
00:48:35.800
did nothing wrong? All good. Just be, just being a, uh, uh, attentive, good citizen. No, I'm going to
00:48:44.480
go to jail for that. That is at best vigilantism. That's the, that's the best spin you could put on
00:48:54.280
that. Okay. You, it's, you don't have to be very creative to see if, if we allow this kind of thing,
00:49:02.800
like armed citizens to just grab guns and, and, and chase down people who look like they may have
00:49:09.300
possibly committed crimes and question them at gunpoint. Like, do you really think that's what
00:49:14.440
we should allow that? That that's, that's what the law should be. I don't think you do think that
00:49:21.220
Paul. I mean, the people who are reflexively defending the McMichaels on this, I, I, I, I,
00:49:25.380
it's one thing. If you want to take a position of, we don't know all the facts. Let's, uh, you know,
00:49:30.640
let's, let's let's let the process play out. Okay, fine. But the people who are offering full
00:49:37.400
throated defenses like you are of these two guys, even after the video that you saw, I, I don't,
00:49:44.140
I just, I just flat out don't believe that you really think objectively they were justified. I flat
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out don't believe it. I don't believe you. What is your motivation? I don't know, but I don't believe
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it. Um, because this is any rational person should at a minimum say there is cause for concern here.
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It's good. They were arrested. We need to look into this.
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All right. We'll wrap up. Okay. In fact, one other example. Okay. I got to finish up. Um,
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uh, in fact, I mean, if you think about it, we've all, maybe a lot of us have been in a,
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in a situation, not unlike this, didn't go this way. But what I mean is think about a time when you
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have seen someone in public acting in a suspicious way. A lot of us have been. So, so example for me a
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little while ago, I was on the road, there was a car in front of me driving very erratically. Okay.
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Um, clearly somebody on drugs or drunk, you know, it was one of those things very obvious from the
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way the car was, was, uh, was driving. And so I called the police because this is someone who could
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kill himself or someone else. You know, I'm not going to just let him drive off. Feel like I have
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a moral responsibility. So I called the police and, um, I followed the car at a safe distance just so I
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could tell the cops where he was going. And pretty soon the cops got there and I left. My part was
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done. Okay. Would I have been justified in running the guy off the road and grabbing a gun and telling
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him to come out and talk to me? Or in fact, forget about the gun. What if I had just run him off the
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road and in the process he veered off into a ditch, hit a tree and died? Would I be at least partially
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responsible for that? I, I am the one who ran him off the road. I think you would say, yeah,
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I mean, I, I killed the guy. You might say, well, he was in danger already, but I killed him and my
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actions directly killed him. And so I would go to jail for that. Um, so the analogy here is clear.
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They, they could have followed the guy. He was on foot. They were in cars. They had two cars. It was
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actually three guys in two cars with guns for an unarmed dude in the road in the middle of the
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daylight. Uh, they could have just followed him and waited for the cops to show up. It's they
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weren't out in a desert six hours from the nearest police station. No, instead they wanted to be the
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hero. They wanted to play tough guy. They wanted to play action hero. They were acting like they were
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in a movie. Someone died. They killed him. They need to go to jail. I'm glad they were arrested.
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