Ep. 485 - Girls Sue To Keep Boys Off Girls' Sports Teams. Judge Rigs The Case
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In Connecticut, three brave high school girls are suing to keep boys off of girl's sports in the state, but the judge has rigged the case against them in a way you just have to hear about. Also, a developing showdown in Pennsylvania between the dictator governor and county officials who want to reopen against his wishes.
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Today on The Matt Walsh Show, three brave high school girls are suing to keep boys off of girl
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sports in the state, but the judge has rigged the case against them in a really outrageous way that
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you just have to hear about. Now, we touched on this story briefly on the show yesterday,
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but I want to go into more depth on it because I think it deserves more attention,
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certainly more attention than it's going to get in mass media. Also, five headlines,
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including a developing showdown in Pennsylvania between the dictator governor and county officials
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who want to reopen against his wishes. I think we're going to see more of this in states across
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the country. We probably need to see more of this, of elected officials who are sane and reasonable
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and realize on the local level that we need to get things going again. And I think they're going to
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have to just start doing that, despite what the dictator emperor in the governor's mansion thinks.
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reported by the Daily Wire yesterday and that I mentioned, as I said briefly during the headline
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segment of the show, this shows what we're up against in our culture, in the fight for truth
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and sanity. Because that's what this is really about. On the most basic level, we're just fighting
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for rationality and sanity and common sense. And I think we have to get there first before we can
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get to the deeper things. Three high school girls in Connecticut are in a legal dispute over the
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state's decision to allow males who identify as transgender to compete on girls' sports teams.
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Now, in Connecticut, two boys in particular, Andrea Yearwood and Terry Miller are the names they go by,
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have been basically dominating the female circuit for a couple of years. These would be middling
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athletes. Athletes, if they were to compete against their own kind, boys. Against boys, they're, you know,
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middle of the pack, mediocre runners. But against the girls, they just rake in the wins. Sometimes,
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you know, in some races, they have taken first and second place between the two of them.
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Now, the lawsuit filed by Selena Soule, Alana Smith, and Chelsea Mitchell, those are all real girls,
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by the way, seek to put a stop to this madness. You know, the lawsuit, basically,
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the case the lawsuit is making is that males have a biological, inherent biological advantage over
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girls. And so, therefore, that's why we've, in the past, had this really common sense system of,
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you know, putting the two sexes in their own sports leagues. Let's go back to that.
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That's the case that these girls are making. But just as the track races are rigged against them now,
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so it seems, so it seems, is the courtroom. District Judge Robert Chetigny, presiding over
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the case, recently instructed lawyers for the plaintiffs that they may not refer to trans
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athletes as male. Okay, here's the full quote. I read this yesterday on the show. I'm going to read
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it again. Remember, this is a judge in a courtroom. This is not a, you know, like a gender studies
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professor at some university. This is what a judge is saying. This is a transcript from a conference
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call with the lawyers, and here's what he said. What I'm saying is, you must refer to them as
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transgender females rather than as males. Again, that's the more accurate terminology, and I think
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that it fully protects your client's legitimate interests. Referring to these individuals as
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transgender females is consistent with science, common practice, and perhaps human decency.
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To refer to them as males, period, is not accurate. Certainly not as accurate, and I think it's
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needlessly provocative. I don't think that you surrender any legitimate interest or position
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if you refer to them as transgender females. That is what the case is about. This isn't a case
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involving males who decided that they want to run in girls' events. This is a case about girls who say
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that transgender girls should not be allowed to run in girls' events. So, going forward, we will not
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refer to the proposed interveners as males. Understood?
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And then they were told that if they really have trouble complying with this order, they'd have
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to take it to the Court of Appeals. You know, if for some reason Chitigny's order that they can't
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call males male troubles them, then they'll have to take it to a different court. And now the lawyers
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are calling for Chitigny to recuse himself, correctly pointing out that the judge has, quote,
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destroyed the appearance of impartiality in this proceeding. Indeed, he has done exactly that.
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The judge has come out not just as a believer in left-wing gender theory. Not just that. I mean,
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that would be bad enough. But he's come out as one of the more radical proponents of it, actually.
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Because calling, quote, unquote, trans girls female, that's what he's saying. He's not even just
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saying they're girls. He's saying they're female. And that is a step beyond what even
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many defenders of Yearwood and Miller and other trans athletes would say.
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The usual line is that there's some kind of vague distinction between girl and female,
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so that a girl might be a girl, but not necessarily female. That's the usual line that we hear. And that
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line is incoherent and crazy enough as it is. And it makes no sense. But it's not as crazy,
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or as incoherent as to flat out claim that individuals with XY chromosomes and penises
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are female, which is what he's saying. And that the craziest and most incoherent version of the
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pro-trans argument is the one that this judge not only believes, but is trying to impose on the girls
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as a prerequisite for their lawsuit to continue. Now, the problem, of course, is that the fact that
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trans athletes are male is the whole point. The girl's entire case is that males and females are
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biologically different. And those differences grant males inherent advantages in most athletic
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competitions. If they can't make that case, then they can't make any case because that's the only
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case. And it's a pretty good case, I would say. If they have to pretend for the sake of the lawsuit
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that boys are female, then they lose the very basis for the lawsuit. This is the point that
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Judge Chetigny pretends not to understand. Remember this part of his little lecture there. He says,
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this isn't a case involving males who have decided that they want to run in girls' events.
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On the contrary, your honor, that is exactly what the case involves. That is exactly what the case is.
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Males who want to run in girls' events. That's what it is, by definition. If they were females
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competing against other females, there would be no reason for a lawsuit. It wouldn't be a problem.
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I'm thinking that these girls who filed the lawsuit have raced against many other girls,
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hundreds of other girls. Never an issue. Now it is. Why is that? Because they're not girls.
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And they're certainly not female. Now, I only wish that the lawyers for the girls had thought to ask
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the judge a simple question, which I think is a very relevant question. And to say, well, okay,
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judge, you say they're female. What's that? Can you define the word female? I mean,
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he apparently thinks that a female is somebody with XX chromosomes or somebody with XY chromosomes.
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And that pretty much covers the whole gamut of human possibilities. So then that would mean that
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the judge thinks that a female is really nothing in particular. If he has a definition for the word
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that would allow it to retain some kind of distinct and objective and unique meaning,
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while also permitting penis-wielding XYs to fall under its umbrella, I'd really like to hear what that
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definition is. But I don't think he can provide one. I don't think anyone can provide one, because I've
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been asking, as you know, for like a year, and I have yet to get a response. And whatever definition of
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the word female or woman that Judge Chetigme might offer now, you know, I have to wonder if it would be
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the same definition that he would have offered five or 10 years ago. The judge at 68 years old.
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I'm guessing that if I were to go back to when he would say 60 years old and ask him if men can have
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babies or if women can have penises, he would offer a firm no on both counts. I could be wrong. You know,
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it's possible that he's been a radical babbling incoherently about transgender females for most of
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his adult life. That's possible. I tend to doubt it. Because 10 years ago, no one but the most fringe
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militant on the LGBT left was entertaining any of this nonsense. You didn't hear about it.
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And that's not to say that people who identified as transgender didn't exist 10 years ago.
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They did, obviously. But it wasn't an issue. We weren't talking about it. And there was almost
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nobody going around saying that men can have babies, women can have penises. There was almost
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nobody arguing that men should be in the women's bathroom or that we should have boys racing against
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girls. You know, I ran track when I was in high school. And this never came up. It was just never
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an issue. Nobody ever talked about it. Now, if you want proof that nobody was talking about this 10
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years ago, all you have to do is look at what every Democrat on the national stage was saying about the
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issue of transgenderism during the Bush years or any time before that. Just go back and Google it.
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Think of any of these elected Democrats who have been on the scene for a while.
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Google their name with transgender and, you know, do a search by time frame. Go back to,
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you know, I don't know, 2007. What were they saying about it? It wouldn't take long to check
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because they weren't saying much of anything about it. Now, all of them, though, now all of them,
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from Chuck Schumer to Joe Biden, claims to believe that men are women and women are men.
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Did they believe that this whole time, but they just never said anything until the last few years?
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Have they held this belief within themselves for decades? Or did they decide suddenly,
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collectively, almost overnight, that the country is filled with females trapped in male bodies and
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the only appropriate response to this epidemic is to invite boys into girls' locker rooms and onto
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girls' sports teams? Now, the latter would seem to be the case here, that this was an almost
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overnight transition, as it were, which raises the question, what prompted this drastic change of mind?
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What sparked Judge Chetigny's epiphany? Assuming that if I had asked Chetigny at 60,
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you know, is there such a thing as a female with XY chromosomes and a penis? Assuming that if I had
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asked him when he was 60 years old, he would have said no. Now he's saying that there is.
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What happened in between? Why did he change his mind? What about Joe Biden? Joe Biden is 78 years old.
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That means up until the age of like 70, at least, he thought he was living in a world where men are
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men, women are women, and that's pretty much it. He changed his mind. Why?
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Chetigny says that the science tells us about transgender females. What science? Tell me about
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the science. Don't just say science. Ah, the science says it. Science! That's a thing I think that
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sometimes leftists don't understand. You can't just shout the word science and have that count as
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making a scientific argument. You can't go around shouting. You make a claim and someone says,
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where are you getting that from? You can't say, I got it from science. Science told me.
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creature that, that invisible creature that whispers in your ear and tells you things.
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for ascertaining and understanding the truth of the physical world.
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So tell me about that method. Don't just say science. What, what, what, by, by what method
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did you, did you, did you discover that men can have babies?
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I mean, can you name a scientific breakthrough or discovery that validates this claim you're making?
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Here's the thing. You take Chetigny, for example. At some point, he decided that girls have penises.
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I mean, not to be too crude about it, but that's, but that's what he decided.
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I think it's fair to ask why he decided that and when, and is he really quite sure that he wasn't
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right about this issue the first time? And if we had a real news media, this same question would be
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asked of every single elected Democrat. I would love to see this question asked just once of one of
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these people. They are all making breathtaking claims about human sexuality and the nature of
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human beings. And those claims wildly contradict what most of them have said on the subject for
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their entire lives until just five seconds ago. Okay. Is this not a flip-flop? Is this not arguably
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the weirdest and most dramatic flip-flop in political history? Can you think of a, of a more dramatic
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one? Can you think of one stranger than this where you had politicians that went from, uh, you know,
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uh, women have vaginas, men have penises to, uh, you can mention, mix and match them.
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I think that deserves further investigation. I think we should be asking, why did you change
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your mind on this? What happened? Simple question. See, on this issue, I ask really simple, fair
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questions. It's not a gotcha. When I ask the question of, can you define the word woman or when
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did you decide that men can have babies and what made you decide that? Simple question. There's, there's
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no, it's not a gotcha. There's no ulterior motive. I really want to know. However you explain the
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shift, we are now left with a country where millions of people believe or pretend to believe
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anyway, that a biological male can wake up in the morning, announce that he's a female. And the only
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morally acceptable response from society is enthusiastic affirmation and to just give him
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whatever he wants, including access to the girl's locker room and the girl's sports teams.
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And this ideology has seeped into rapidly seeped into every institution, especially our academic
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institutions. But now we find out even in the courtrooms. And so that is the fight that we are
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dealing with. Let's go on to headlines. Um, as referenced earlier, a looming showdown is developing
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in Pennsylvania. Um, some counties in the state are planning to reopen regardless of what the governor,
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Tom Wolf has to say, and they've decided to take it upon themselves to make these decisions,
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not waiting for the emperor to give his approval and good for them. I mean, this is exactly what
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needs to happen. Officials, you know, those who are in power, who are sane and reasonable and
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understand that we need to save our economy before it's too late. They need to step up and just do the
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right thing, regardless of what any dictator in any governor's mansion says. And so that's happening,
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um, in some counties in Pennsylvania, but Tom Wolf is not going to take this defiance lightly.
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So he issued a string of tweets yesterday and let me read some of what he has to say.
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I mean, this is, this is just a temper tantrum from a man who does not want to be defied.
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He says, I won't sit back and watch residents who live in counties under stay-at-home orders get sick
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because local leaders cannot see the risks of COVID-19 and pushed to reopen prematurely.
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Today, I'm announcing consequences for counties that do not abide by the law to remain closed.
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Non-compliant counties won't be eligible for federal, federal stimulus discretionary funds,
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discretionary funds. Instead, those funds will be allocated to counties working to stop the
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spread of COVID-19. Businesses should know that opening in counties that don't abide by the law
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will potentially jeopardize their business liability insurance or the protections it provides.
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Dine-in restaurants that open in counties that have not been authorized to reopen will risk
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receiving a citation. These citations can ultimately lead to the loss of a restaurant's liquor license.
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If your county reopens prematurely and you don't feel comfortable returning to work,
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rest assured that the Commonwealth will allow you to continue to receive unemployment compensation,
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even if your employer reopens. We are fighting a war that has taken lives of too many people and
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we're winning. The politicians who are encouraging us to quit the fight are acting in a most cowardly way.
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Cowards. This is what he decrees from his throne. He calls them cowards. Yes, if you don't listen to,
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obey, comply with his orders, you're a coward. That's the way it works now in upside down land.
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Now, a lot could be said in response to this from Tom Wolfe. But I'll just mention one thing,
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a reminder, as I've discussed on the show throughout the last week or two, because I do think this is
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the big story of the coronavirus epidemic in America. Tom Wolfe is one of the governors who
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sent, by mandate, sent infected people into nursing homes. He is directly responsible for
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many deaths. He is a grandma killer. Calling people grandma killers left and right, well,
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he's the grandma killer. Along with Cuomo, along with the governor of, along with Newsom in California
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and other governors who made the same decision. New Jersey, he has no credibility. He has no moral
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authority. This epidemic would have been, the death toll would be a fraction, a fraction of what it
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currently is if guys like Tom Wolfe and Cuomo and others had actually protected nursing homes rather
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than directly putting them in harm's way. Number two, speaking of not being a coward,
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the Daily Wire reports Tesla CEO Elon Musk has reopened the company's manufacturing plant in Alameda
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County, California, elevating his public feud with interim public health officer Dr. Erica Pan,
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who has prohibited the company from resuming businesses via a countywide order that is more
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strict than the governor's public health order. In a tweet on Monday afternoon, Musk said that Tesla
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would begin to ramp up production in the county, which includes the Fremont facility where over
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10,000 people have jobs. Musk said Tesla is restarting production today against Alameda County rules.
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I will be on the line with everybody else. If anyone is arrested, I ask that it only be me.
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So I think that's, again, this is, this is what we're going to see. People are, whether it's
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individual businesses, we've already seen that with the salon owner down in Texas and other places,
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county officials, you know, people are just going to start to do the right thing, regardless of what
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any mandate or, or, or, or directive or order from the governor says. And so if you don't want
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total lawlessness, if you don't want this thing to get out of control, then you need to step back
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and let people get back to their lives. Because that's going to happen regardless. I think we've
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reached a point where people are getting back to their lives, no matter what you say.
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You could fight against it. You can start issuing citations, putting people in jail, have more chaos,
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or you can start facilitating this transition back into freedom and sanity.
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Let's see what else. According to the AP, it says Twitter announced Monday, it will start
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alerting users when a tweet makes disputed or misleading claims about the coronavirus.
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The new rule is the latest in a wave of stricter policies that tech companies are rolling out to
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confront an outbreak of virus-related misinformation on their sites. Facebook and Google have already put
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similar systems in place. Now this, of course, is what the left has been pushing for. They know that
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Silicon Valley is on their side ideologically, so they want these tech giants to censor, to decide
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what information is true or worthy of reaching our ears and our eyeballs. And that's fine. I'm not in
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favor of it, but if that's the position they want to take, they're free to take it. If they want to
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celebrate censorship and celebrate the control of information by massive corporations, they're
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entitled to that view. But then my only request is don't turn around and talk about how evil corporations
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are and how we need to break their influence over our culture and our country and our politics.
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Don't do that. Don't do that after applauding billion-dollar corporations as they put themselves
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in the position of being arbiters of truth. Because if you're going to push for them to do that and
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celebrate it, then you are putting a lot of trust in their hands.
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Number four, a headline in the mirrors, and this is a headline that you almost won't believe it's
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real, but it is. Headline says, deadly coronavirus has proven that women are the stronger sex.
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Coronavirus proves that women are the stronger sex. The article written by Jane Simmons claims that
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because more men are dying of the coronavirus, women are stronger. So girl power, right? This
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writer of an article that was published in a publication is actually gloating. She wrote a
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whole article gloating about men dying from the disease. So we need not imagine how it would be
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received if somebody wrote an article claiming that women dying of breast cancer proves that they're
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the weaker sex. We don't need to imagine it because we know that would be received exactly
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as it should be received with contempt and scorn and mockery, which is how this should be received
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too. But aside from, you know, the loathsomeness of gloating over deaths, and aside from the absurdity
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of claiming that one sex is weaker because it's more susceptible to a particular illness, especially
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when both sexes have different illnesses that they're more susceptible to, it has nothing to do with
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strength or weakness. Aside from all that, here again, we have a feminist forgetting that she's
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not allowed to make these kinds of points anymore. Because this acknowledges biological differences
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between men and women. In fact, she even says that verbatim in the article, that there are biological
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differences, physical differences between men and women. But if you're a left-wing feminist, you're not
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allowed to say that anymore. That's out the window. Because if you say that, it completely destroys the
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case for transgenderism. So you have to choose. You can't have both. Either men and women are
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interchangeable and the physical differences are non-existent or inconsequential, or men and women
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are different physically, immutably, biologically. One or the other. Can't be both. And yes, if you're
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noticing, if you're a feminist and you're noticing that by accepting the trans narrative,
00:25:33.180
you are forfeiting all the girl power stuff, all the women's rights stuff, all the women are better
00:25:41.840
than men stuff, all the demonization of men. I mean, all that goes out the window because there's no
00:25:47.920
difference anymore between these two groups. The only difference is social. It's a social
00:25:54.360
construct. Arbitrary. Subjective. So yeah, if you're a left-wing feminist, maybe you're noticing
00:26:02.560
that. But then either you can just shut up and comply with the trans narrative and the LGBT
00:26:11.140
narrative, or you can fight back against it to try to reclaim your own narrative. But
00:26:19.460
the two can't coincide. They can't work together. Number five, finally, big news here. The artist
00:26:25.860
Takashi69, one of my personal favorites, just got out of prison a couple of days ago after he snitched
00:26:31.680
on his friends to get a lighter sentence. So he was arrested originally for, I don't know what,
00:26:37.940
was it, I don't know, murder or something? Drugs? Something like that. But he, and he turned
00:26:44.780
snitch. He snitched on his friends in his, in his gang. And so he got a lighter sentence and he just
00:26:50.480
got released from prison. It was supposed to be like 40 or 50 years, but because he snitched, he got a
00:26:53.780
light sentence. And then with the coronavirus thing and he has asthma, so they let it, they let him out
00:26:59.600
even earlier. And so now he's out, but the thing is he's a rapper and, you know, being a snitch as a
00:27:06.940
rapper, kind of frowned upon. So he went to Instagram live and he tried to explain himself
00:27:13.220
and tried to do a little bit of damage control. And here's how that went.
00:27:18.260
It wasn't worth it. It wasn't. And I'm gonna tell you what, if there is a street code, right?
00:27:24.520
If there is a street code and there's something so, so called as loyalty and everything and no
00:27:29.580
snitching and all of that, I get it, right? But where was the loyalty when you were sleeping with my
00:27:34.620
baby mother? Where was the loyalty when you was caught on the wiretap trying to kill me? Where
00:27:38.020
was the loyalty when you tried to kidnap my mother? Where was the loyalty when you were
00:27:41.400
stealing millions of dollars from me? Where was that? So who broke it first? I, I get it. Don't
00:27:45.720
fight fire or fire. I'm sorry. But what did I do wrong? Be loyal to n****s that's f***ing my
00:27:52.720
baby moms? Be loyal to n****s that kidnap me? Beat the s*** out of me on video and everything?
00:27:58.960
I'm supposed to be loyal to that? No. You know what? You know what it is? Y'all don't
00:28:03.800
want to accept the fact that those are all true facts. Y'all don't want to accept, y'all
00:28:09.060
understand why I snitch. Y'all understand, y'all don't want to understand. It's not that
00:28:13.320
y'all don't understand. Y'all don't want to understand. Y'all don't want to understand
00:28:16.980
that, damn, this kid really was, he moved their families out of poverty. He paid for schools
00:28:24.160
for, for, for, for all of the members, whatever. But he snitched on them. Why? Were they loyal
00:28:29.340
to me? Cause I, when, when I met, when I met son, he was sleeping on the rug. I, I, I'll
00:28:34.180
give him one of your, look, listen, I'm a rainbow Mexican here, kid. I rap. I'm not about that
00:28:39.140
gang s***, but listen, I know how to get us out. You wasn't loyal to me, whether, whether,
00:28:43.900
but y'all understand. Let's, let's, y'all understand. And I know you understand. Y'all
00:28:48.700
I do. I do understand Takashi 6ix9ine. I do. I've been there. Myself. All of that. I can
00:28:58.720
relate to everything that was just said, honestly. Even the tattoos, the hair. That's how I look
00:29:05.720
on the weekends. It's, it's pretty uncanny. I just covered up with makeup during the week,
00:29:10.380
but the whole look is great. I mean, he looks like a Batman villain whose origin story is
00:29:14.800
that he fell into a giant tie-dye machine. And that's what I, that's what I love about,
00:29:21.820
about it. Or he looks like a, I don't know, like a My Little Pony character that,
00:29:29.040
you know, after the show ended, got addicted to methamphetamines or something. But anyway,
00:29:35.260
you know, you know what he's, what he's saying, what he's saying about, about whatever he's saying
00:29:41.320
is, is deeply, deeply significant. And as I said, relatable to me and indeed to all humanity.
00:29:47.740
I mean, listen to his words. Listen to what he said there at the end. He said,
00:29:51.720
you understand. And I know you understand. You don't want to understand. You understand.
00:29:59.800
I know you understand. You don't want to understand. Wow. Think about that. Think about
00:30:09.180
what he's saying. So much truth there. He's basically saying, listen, truth itself, okay,
00:30:16.400
the most difficult truths of life are self-evident to us. We have an innate understanding of the truth.
00:30:23.320
truth. But how often, alas, have we wished to not understand? How often have we wished
00:30:29.660
that we did not know what we do indeed know? How often have we looked upon the innocence of a child
00:30:37.020
and said, if only, if only I could have that innocence back, that ignorance, that blissful
00:30:42.840
ignorance. And that's, that's what I take from Tekashi 6ix9ine. And that's why he's one of the great
00:30:49.820
artists and one of the great poets and one of the great thinkers of, of our time. And I'm,
00:30:55.480
I'm just glad he's out of prison finally. So I can once again, enjoy his philosophical musings and
00:30:59.980
his angelic musing, uh, angelic music that is for years to come or until he gets shot for being a
00:31:06.480
snitch, I mean, whichever comes first, but we'll, we'll pray for him. Okay. Let's go on to our daily
00:31:12.400
cancellation. Um, and, uh, it's a quick one today. Today we're canceling whoever wrote this letter
00:31:19.760
to slate. The letter is, I love my boyfriend, but want a girlfriend. That's how the letter
00:31:26.420
and the advice column is, is titled on slate, but that's not really the cancelable part. Okay.
00:31:31.700
I mean, it is cancelable, but don't get me wrong, but you need to, you need to do more than that
00:31:36.340
these days. Okay. Just, just wanting a polyamorous relationship, uh, that could have got you canceled
00:31:40.600
by me a few years ago, but you gotta, you gotta impress me just normal degeneracy. Isn't going to do
00:31:46.640
it. Okay. Um, so let's read the actual letter. This is what it says in part, my partner is the
00:31:53.000
most compassionate, loving, and respectful partner I could ask for. He supported me through
00:31:57.300
difficult times, weight fluctuations, questioning my gender, changing my name, sobriety, among other
00:32:03.480
things. I am incredibly attracted to women. He knows this. And we have talked about opening our
00:32:08.140
relationship. However, he is on the spectrum of asexuality and is only interested in having
00:32:12.260
sex with me. Did you catch that? He's on the spectrum of asexuality. Why? Because he wants
00:32:18.040
to be monogamous. That now puts you on the spectrum of asexuality. We'll get back to that in a minute,
00:32:22.740
but I also wanted to take note of this part here. Okay. Um, the thought of me having sex with other
00:32:28.400
people makes him deeply uncomfortable as we both relate to sex in very different ways. We have had
00:32:32.760
this conversation a few times in the year, but, um, that we've been together, but with no solid plan or
00:32:37.940
outcome. Okay. We've had this conversation a few times in the year that we've been together
00:32:43.320
with no solid plan or outcome. Okay. So this guy has been with this girl for a year. I'm assuming
00:32:50.900
it's a girl and a guy, but who really knows at this point, but I'll just, let's just go with that
00:32:54.200
for the sake of argument. This guy has been with this girl for a year and he's already put up with
00:33:00.160
everything she listed at the top. Difficult times, weight fluctuation, questioning my name,
00:33:04.460
questioning my gender, changing my name, sobriety among other things. One can only imagine what
00:33:10.980
the other things might be in a list like that. And now she goes off and she wants to sleep with
00:33:14.860
other people. All of that in a year and they aren't married or anything. So the real advice
00:33:21.760
that needs to be given here is to the, is to the, the guy, to the, to the other person. And that needs
00:33:27.440
to be like, get the hell out. Just run away as fast as you can. What are you doing? You
00:33:34.340
fool. What are you thinking? Subjecting yourself to, listen, you, you usually see the sanest version
00:33:41.880
of a person in the first year. Ask my wife. Okay. First year of, of, of being with my wife is the
00:33:46.860
sanest I've been around her. Okay. Um, uh, it just, it's mentally, it all goes downhill from there.
00:33:52.800
Right? Like, because that's, that's when people are putting on their sanest front, but especially for
00:34:00.300
me, you can, you can only pretend to be sane for so long before your internal craziness comes out.
00:34:05.960
So you keep that in mind. So if you're the guy, what you have to realize is that change the name,
00:34:15.060
change the gender, uh, uh, everything fluctuating weight, sobriety, this and that that's, that's the
00:34:22.320
sanest she's going to get. And it's all, it's only getting crazier from there. So, and of course,
00:34:29.560
this, this advice really applies to anyone. Um, if your boyfriend or girlfriend tells you that we
00:34:35.040
forget about everything else, but if your boyfriend or girlfriend tells you that they want to see other
00:34:38.260
people and have an open relationship, that is definitely a don't pass, go don't collect $200.
00:34:43.640
Just get the hell out kind of moment. No need for a discussion. That's the good thing about it.
00:34:48.420
So it should be a very easy and clean break. If your girlfriend sits you down and says, you know,
00:34:53.080
I was thinking I'd like to have an open relationship. The great thing is that you don't need to say
00:34:57.000
anything. Your response is say nothing. Just okay. Stand up, walk out, walk out the door,
00:35:03.560
never talk to him again. There's no reason to even talk anymore. It's, it's done at that point.
00:35:08.860
Um, but back to the spectrum of asexuality thing, because this is really interesting and it's relevant
00:35:14.760
to me personally, because I never realized that I was asexual. You know, most of you probably aren't
00:35:20.680
surprised to find out that I am, but I'm a little bit surprised. To me, I always thought that I was in a
00:35:25.880
monogamous relationship with my wife. Turns out I'm on the spectrum of asexuality. I'm just a hop,
00:35:32.000
skip and a jump away from being a full on asexual amoeba, uh, reproducing through self-replication.
00:35:37.880
That's, I'm, I'm very close to that. So you notice what's happening in our culture slowly, but surely.
00:35:43.940
And this is always the trajectory because first we're told, okay, it's okay to be different,
00:35:50.200
to be weird, to have different kinds of, of, of desires. Um, something that's the people think
00:35:55.840
it's perverse. It's not, you know, it's, or, or even if it is, it's okay. You want to be
00:35:59.880
polyamorous. That's fine. Yeah, it's different, but it's fine. That's the first step. And then we're
00:36:05.620
told actually, no, these kinds of desires, they aren't, they aren't really even different. Uh,
00:36:10.700
they're, they're really normal. Uh, lots of people feel this way, even if they don't say it,
00:36:14.320
it's all normal. Everything is normal. You know, uh, there is no abnormal or normal. Everything's
00:36:19.480
normal. And so, and so it's fine. That's the second step. The third step is to say, actually,
00:36:25.940
these things that you thought were abnormal are not only normal, but the opposite of these things,
00:36:32.740
the previously normal things, they're the abnormal things. And I know we told you that it's okay to be
00:36:37.480
abnormal. We changed our minds. Those abnormal things are bad. You should hate those. So that's where
00:36:42.060
this heads heads to a place where being in a monogamous heterosexual relationship is spurned,
00:36:48.100
is, uh, treated as freakish, as radical, as on some sort of weird spectrum. Um, like there's
00:36:57.340
something wrong with you that, uh, you're, you're, you know, uh, in a relationship with someone and
00:37:01.620
you only desire them. Well, I mean, what's, what's wrong with you? You freak. That's where all this
00:37:06.360
heads. Okay. Um, finally, let's go to emails. As always, a lot of information, a lot of emails
00:37:15.600
rather about the Ahmaud Arbery case. So here's one from John says, Matt, I think you're wrong in the
00:37:21.840
case of Ahmaud Arbery. Um, I think your conclusion so far is flawed simply because you're ignoring the
00:37:27.340
additional information that has come to light since the original video was leaked. There are now no less
00:37:31.760
than two additional sources of video and no less than four additional witnesses. In addition to that,
00:37:36.240
Arbery has been linked by the police to four other cases of theft and burglary in the area where the
00:37:39.900
shooting took place. The new video clearly shows Arbery walking, not running or jogging up the street
00:37:44.900
as he approaches the construction site. He then looks both ways to see if anyone is watching him
00:37:48.600
before running up the driveway and entering the construction site via the garage. Video from
00:37:52.920
inside the construction site shows him looking around. The external video then shows someone from
00:37:56.580
across the street walking towards the house, shouting at Arbery. At this point, Arbery flees down the road.
00:38:01.400
This is when McMichael, uh, the McMichaels video takes over. Given this information, I can
00:38:06.440
reasonably come to the conclusion that McMichaels were indeed attempting a citizen's arrest. First
00:38:10.660
and foremost, Arbery's behavior approaching the house is inconsistent with the idea that he was out
00:38:13.960
for a jog. Secondly, under Georgia law, by entering the house with the intent of stealing something,
00:38:17.980
Arbery was already guilty of a felony. The fact that Arbery's offense was a felony allows McMichaels to
00:38:23.320
pursue and attempt a citizen's arrest under Georgia law. Georgia is also an open carry state,
00:38:28.240
and once Arbery charged him, both McMichaels and Arbery had a legal standing for
00:38:31.280
self-defense claim, no matter what the outcome of the confrontation. Taking all that into
00:38:35.300
consideration, looking at both parties involved, one party is consistently law-abiding while the
00:38:39.340
other was breaking the law at least twice prior to the confrontation. This leads me to believe that
00:38:43.280
Arbery was fleeing potential felony charges, not a racist beatdown. This also leads me to give
00:38:48.020
McMichaels the benefit of the doubt, as he is innocent until proven guilty. Um, okay. Well,
00:38:54.160
John, I think some of your information is just, so I think some of your information is incorrect.
00:39:01.380
And then I also think that you're making a lot of assumptions, um, and, but not framing them as
00:39:06.740
assumptions. You're framing them as facts. So you say that Arbery has been linked to four other cases
00:39:12.540
of burglary and theft. Where did you find that? I, I haven't seen that anywhere and I've looked,
00:39:19.280
so I don't, I don't, that, that, I don't, I don't think that's true. Um, uh, you, you talk about the
00:39:26.260
video of Arbery and I mean, you have this whole description of, of, of the video outside the
00:39:30.520
construction site, looking around to see if anyone's watching. So you're, you're, you're making
00:39:35.760
assumptions about his intention and you're also doing this based on, I've looked at that video.
00:39:41.260
I mean, I've seen this, the video you're talking about. There are two other videos, as you mentioned,
00:39:44.540
um, there's a video from outside the construction site you're talking about. And there's also a video
00:39:49.620
of Arbery inside the construction site, but the video outside, it's, it's really hard to see
00:39:54.580
anything. I don't know how, I mean, you, you have, you, you've come up with, with a lot of very
00:39:58.820
specific details. I would tell anyone watching this right now, go look at the video that he's talking
00:40:03.780
about. It's really hard to tell what the hell's going on. It's, it's, it's, it's distant and great
00:40:08.920
and grainy and it's hard to tell. Um, and then the video inside the construction site, all we see is the
00:40:14.280
guy walking in and looking around. That's all we see. If anything more sinister happened, it's not
00:40:19.780
on the video. Um, you say that Arbery went in with the intent to steal. Well, how, how do you know
00:40:27.880
that? I mean, that's, yes, if he went in with the intent to steal, that's very convenient for your
00:40:32.000
case because then you could say it was, you know, at least the, the, the intention of a felony. And
00:40:36.280
I mean, if you go into a place looking to steal and you don't steal, cause there's nothing to steal.
00:40:39.600
Is it still a felony? I mean, maybe it is. I'm not exactly sure how the law works there, but,
00:40:43.160
um, but that's a hell of an assumption that you're making. And I don't know how you could
00:40:48.240
possibly make it. You could say, well, I can't imagine why else he'd be in a construction site.
00:40:53.720
Okay, fine. That might be why he's there, but that's, that's, you see, I understand that's just
00:40:58.640
your assumption. There are other conceivable reasons why a person might be in a construction
00:41:04.860
site. Um, but regardless, I mean, he's dead now, so we can't ask him. All we have are the bare facts.
00:41:13.160
As far as we know, as far as we know, as far as what we can prove, maybe I should put it this way.
00:41:17.640
As far as what we can prove is that Arbery went into a construction site, briefly looked around
00:41:22.420
and left. That's what we have. Anything else that you're going to assume about his, uh, his motivations
00:41:28.040
is just that, an assumption. And the problem is if you're going to do that,
00:41:33.440
then you can't complain when people do it with McMichaels.
00:41:35.880
If you're going to create this whole narrative of assumptions and motivations and intent on Arbery's
00:41:42.520
case, for Arbery, then what about, would people do the same with the McMichaels and say, oh,
00:41:46.980
they were racist out looking for a black person to shoot? I don't believe that they were. That's not,
00:41:51.720
I've, I've said the whole time. I mean, I, I think that they're wrong in what they did.
00:41:55.680
I think it was more that they were just trying to be the heroes. They were trying to be vigilantes.
00:41:58.740
Um, and, uh, they, they were thinking they were like an, an action movie or something that that's,
00:42:03.740
that's what I take from that. Um, so I'm not, I'm not in, in, uh, you know, uh, assuming racist
00:42:10.380
motivations, but I'm also not assuming motivations on Arbery's part either. Uh, I'm, I'm just trying
00:42:14.960
to look at what actually happened and what we can prove. Now, um, also the, the property owner,
00:42:23.680
Larry English says that nothing was ever stolen from the property and he never filed any police
00:42:29.540
report for any reason. That's what he says. Now I've seen a lot of people, defenders of the
00:42:33.920
McMichaels on Twitter and on social media, making all kinds of claims about how things were stolen
00:42:38.920
and there was copper wires stolen and this and that. Uh, there were all, there was all these
00:42:43.000
break-ins. Okay. Well, the guy who owns the property said that nothing was ever stolen.
00:42:48.480
So that seems rather significant, doesn't it? I don't know. How can we just ignore that?
00:42:56.360
Was anything stolen? Let's ask the guy who owns the property. He said, no, he never filed a police
00:43:00.360
report. There was no break-ins. Uh, there was, there was no theft or robbery from the place.
00:43:04.200
That's what he said. His words. Um, if the guy is saying nothing was stolen, it's reasonable to
00:43:11.180
conclude that Arbery didn't steal anything. And as this was a construction site, not an occupied
00:43:17.040
residence, what you have then at most, it seems like is trespassing, which I don't think is a
00:43:22.140
felony. Now you claim again, he had the intent to steal, but again, how do you know that you can
00:43:28.560
assume it? You can guess it. You can theorize about it. You cannot state it as a fact. And here's what
00:43:33.020
I know for sure. A civilian is not entitled to chase somebody down with guns because of what, uh,
00:43:39.440
that civilian thinks another person might have intended to do, but didn't do. And that's really
00:43:45.920
what this comes down to, John. Everything else aside for a moment. Okay. Because I don't know
00:43:50.480
if Arbery was a burglar or not. Uh, maybe he was, I mean, I'd be perfectly willing to believe that he
00:43:56.520
was, I don't know anything about him. He could be a burglar. Sure. I don't know. Um, I mean the,
00:44:02.220
the, the way some people that the whole idea that he was jogging, I also don't find that outlandish.
00:44:07.940
I don't know. There are some people acting like that's a totally outlandish claim. He was jogging.
00:44:11.920
Maybe he wasn't, but what's, why is that weird? It's the middle of the day. A guy's out in the
00:44:16.860
street jogging. I don't see anything inherently absurd about that claim. Just like it's not absurd
00:44:22.760
that he was a burglar, a burglar either. I mean, a person could be either one of those things.
00:44:27.400
I think in both cases that there's some weirdness that needs to be explained.
00:44:32.940
Like, yeah, you could say, well, if he was jogging, then why'd he stop at a construction site? Why
00:44:36.720
wasn't he wearing jogging clothes? Uh, I mean, it's hard to tell what he's wearing, honestly,
00:44:40.820
but okay, those are questions. But then also questions. If he was a burglar, why didn't he
00:44:44.500
steal anything? Um, what was he doing out on foot miles from the house in the middle of the day
00:44:49.480
as a burglar? It just, that doesn't necessarily seem like what a burglar would do usually. So I
00:44:55.100
don't know. There are questions either way, but who knows? Um, so put it, putting all that aside for a
00:45:01.920
minute because we, because we don't know what it, what his intention was. What we do know is that the
00:45:07.260
video doesn't show Arbery stealing anything. Um, we know that there was only one reported burglary
00:45:13.480
in the area seven weeks earlier. Um, we know that, that the property owner says, no, nothing was
00:45:20.420
stolen. All of that, it seems, it would seem cuts against the idea that Arbery was a burglar.
00:45:26.420
But again, putting that to the side, you as a civilian do not have the authority to chase somebody
00:45:31.540
down and confront them in the street while brandishing a weapon to question them about a
00:45:36.260
crime you think they committed. And yes, holding a weapon and telling them to stop and come talk to
00:45:40.700
you and answer a question is brandishing according to the law. Uh, you say it was self-defense that
00:45:47.120
they shot him. I don't think so. Um, it can't be self-defense if you initiate the altercation.
00:45:53.320
Brandishing a weapon at someone in the middle of the street, not in self-defense initially, but because
00:45:58.520
you think they look suspicious and you want to talk to them, that is you initiating an altercation
00:46:04.080
because the other guy has every right and every reason to assume you mean him harm, whether he's
00:46:08.740
a burglar or not. So Arbery defended himself. So it would be like if you punched, it'd be like if I
00:46:15.880
punched you and then you punch me, then I punch you back. And on, on, on, on my second punch, you die.
00:46:23.000
I can't claim self-defense. I can't say that, well, I was, I was responding to your punch. I was,
00:46:27.980
but I initiated the first punch. The whole punching altercation was initiated by me. And so I don't
00:46:34.600
get to hide behind self-defense. I'm the aggressor. In this case, pulling a gun on someone
00:46:41.580
is the first punch. You are the aggressor. Yes, it's an open carry state. That doesn't mean that
00:46:48.260
you can just grab your gun, hold it in your hand and go, and go around demanding that people come
00:46:52.360
talk to you. You know, not to mention that stopping your truck in the middle of the street. You got
00:46:57.380
one guy up with a gun in his hand in the truck bed. You got another guy gunning his hand on the street
00:47:01.780
trying to, trying to head Arbery off at the pass. As a clear case of brandishing, yes, open carry does
00:47:08.160
not mean you can brandish weapons at people. And I think that's a really important point we should
00:47:12.360
be making as gun rights supporters. We should be saying this is not what we, as gun rights supporters,
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that is, this is not what we're talking about. Okay. We, we, we don't believe that, that, that
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people who own guns, you know, that should give them the power and the right to walk around holding
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the guns and, and, and, and demanding people come talk to them and, uh, you know, stopping people in
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the middle of the street, parking our car in the middle of the street and pulling our guns out to go
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talk to a person. As gun rights supporters, we need to be saying, no, no, that's, that's, that's not what
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we're talking about. That's not what gun owners do. That's not what responsible gun owners do.
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So to me, this is simple, John, best case for the McMichaels is that Arbery was a trespasser and
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maybe that there's no evidence of it right now, maybe guilty of stealing a tool or some nails or,
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you know, I don't know what he'd be stealing. Um, no evidence of that, but, but let's just say best
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case for them that he did do that. None of that comes close to justifying three guys grabbing guns
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and chasing him down the street. Um, you know, if he had killed, if something really sinister
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happened in that construction site, like he had killed someone or, or, you know, attacked or
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assaulted someone and he was running away, that would totally change the complexion of this case,
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but there's no evidence of that. No one suggested it. I mean, so we can assume that's not the case.
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And, um, what you're left with is, uh, is, is, you know, uh, you're left with, you're left with at best
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three armed men chasing a guy down the street because he was on a construction site. Uh, you
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know, I I'm sorry. I just, that, that is a massive overreaction. And I doubt that you, John would ever
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respond that way. I mean, if you, if you saw someone poking around a construction site, would
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you, would you call your son? Would you grab your shotgun and tell your son to come with you? Hey,
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get the gun and go chase the guy down. Would you? Cause he was in a construction site for a few minutes.
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All right, let's, uh, but we'll, we'll leave it there. Um, I'm open to more information,
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you know, if, if, if, if more information comes out that completely changes, uh, my perspective
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on this, then I'll, I'll say so. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not against changing my mind,
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but I haven't seen anything yet that would make me do that. We'll cut it off there. Thanks
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