The Matt Walsh Show - Ep. 493 - James Fairbanks Shouldn't Spend a Day in Jail

00:00:00.080 Welcome to the show, everybody. Most of this show today is going to be a little bit different.

00:00:03.860 It's going to be dictated by you and your emails, because there are a whole bunch of them,

00:00:08.240 a whole bunch of emails and stuff that I've gotten over the last few weeks,

00:00:11.220 many of them not directly tied to current events, and thank God for that.

00:00:16.060 And I haven't had a chance to answer a lot of them. So today, for my only show of the week,

00:00:20.100 I want to really back away from some of the news and current events and everything,

00:00:24.780 and just for today, go through some of my emails and topics that you have brought up and answer those.

00:00:32.340 But first, the one topic I'll bring up myself, and I have just a few things to say about this.

00:00:37.020 There's been a lot of discussion recently about vote by mail, or mail-in voting,

00:00:42.520 or vote from home, as the Democrats have christened it.

00:00:46.740 Democrats want to push for mail-in voting and spend billions of dollars to fund it,

00:00:51.380 and Trump is against the idea, and that's basically the breakdown of the controversy here.

00:00:57.300 The reason we're given for why we have to do vote by mail is that, of course, come November,

00:01:03.260 the coronavirus is still going to exist, and we don't want people going out to the polls and getting infected.

00:01:09.740 That's the argument, anyway. The reason that Trump gives for not wanting mail-in voting

00:01:13.720 is that there's an opportunity for fraud, because it'd be very difficult to protect the integrity of the voting process

00:01:19.020 when people are doing it at home and mailing in the ballots.

00:01:20.780 Now, a lot of states already had mail-in voting. That's a thing that already existed.

00:01:25.140 But in many states, you can only do it under certain circumstances, like if you're elderly or disabled.

00:01:31.280 And even the states that allow anyone to mail-in vote, most people don't do that.

00:01:36.760 Now, we could be looking at a potential situation where you've got tens of millions of mail-in ballots.

00:01:42.500 How do you keep track of everything and, as I said, protect the integrity of the voting process?

00:01:48.060 Now, here's what I'll say about that. I also am against mail-in voting.

00:01:54.460 I'm against it in general, though, even aside from the coronavirus or anything else.

00:01:59.620 I don't like it. But my reason has very little to do with voter fraud.

00:02:04.140 Yeah, that is a concern. Trump is right. But that's not the primary concern.

00:02:08.660 And I think when it comes to the integrity of the voting process and issues that have to do with voting,

00:02:14.560 voter fraud is a much, much lesser concern than something else that I want to talk about.

00:02:22.260 And it's also true, as others have argued, by the way, that the idea that voting will be significantly dangerous

00:02:29.500 because of the coronavirus is totally absurd.

00:02:31.640 I think we've established by now that you can leave your home and you should be OK.

00:02:37.560 You can go out and do things and still avoid being sick.

00:02:40.440 You don't need to be locked away. In fact, you probably should not be.

00:02:43.160 Not probably. You definitely should not be locked away.

00:02:46.040 So it will be perfectly possible and really not that difficult to have people go to the polls in person and vote

00:02:51.880 and not get or spread the coronavirus.

00:02:54.220 I mean, after all, it's not like people are going into the booth, you know, as groups, or at least they shouldn't be.

00:03:00.540 So we're already socially distanced when we vote.

00:03:03.620 So I'm not really sure I understand what the problem is.

00:03:05.860 But aside from that, aside from fraud as well, and aside from the fact that this isn't even an issue,

00:03:16.240 my problem is that voting shouldn't be that easy anyway.

00:03:19.580 Anyway, this all goes back to the fundamental flaw in the way that we think of and approach voting in modern culture.

00:03:27.100 We see it as this sacred, universal right held by everyone.

00:03:31.880 And so we have to make it as easy and painless and convenient as possible for people to do it.

00:03:36.000 And any obstacle that's put in the way, any inconvenience that they suffer,

00:03:39.720 any sacrifice that's required of them in order to do it is seen as depriving people of this right

00:03:44.860 or at least interfering with their ability to exercise it.

00:03:47.460 Now, there are some problems here, starting with this.

00:03:52.440 Voting is not a sacred, universal right held by everyone.

00:03:56.920 In fact, we don't treat it that way in this country even now, really.

00:04:03.240 We don't let people under the age of 18 vote. 0.98

00:04:06.240 We don't let felons vote.

00:04:07.980 We do obviously think that there should be some parameters put in place to determine who can vote.

00:04:13.800 At least most people think that.

00:04:15.000 Our founding fathers thought that there should be even more parameters.

00:04:19.200 Now, of course, for a long time in this country, women couldn't vote. 1.00

00:04:22.560 Black people couldn't vote. 1.00

00:04:24.040 And that needed to be fixed. 0.99

00:04:25.760 And it was.

00:04:27.580 That doesn't mean, however, that we should have to do away with all of the barriers and obstacles

00:04:33.800 and parameters that were put in place.

00:04:37.160 So, yeah, you do away with the racial and gender-based obstacles, sure.

00:04:42.740 But the original idea, only property owners vote.

00:04:47.460 That is, only people with skin in the game.

00:04:49.940 Only contributing and competent members of society vote.

00:04:53.960 That was good.

00:04:54.880 That's how it should be.

00:04:56.040 Take away all of the racial and gender elements of it, and the basic idea is a good one. 0.99

00:05:01.700 Politicians, especially Democrats, though, want everyone to vote.

00:05:06.220 They want to make it as easy as possible for everybody to vote.

00:05:10.240 They want to make it so that you almost literally don't have to raise a finger yourself, lift a finger to vote.

00:05:16.980 If they could come to your house and carry you to the polls like a baby, cradling you in their arms

00:05:23.420 and humming lullabies the whole time, they would do that if they could.

00:05:28.480 Why?

00:05:28.920 Is it because they're just such huge fans of the democratic process?

00:05:35.880 Is it because they just really believe in, you know, having people involved? 1.00

00:05:39.600 No, it's because they benefit by having uninformed, lazy, stupid, non-contributing people voting. 1.00

00:05:47.560 Those people are their people, right? 1.00

00:05:50.800 That's their constituency.

00:05:52.880 They need those voters.

00:05:56.440 They don't just want those votes.

00:05:57.960 They need them.

00:05:59.260 The voters they don't want, though, are informed, intelligent, mature.

00:06:05.660 I mean, the kind of voters that would be willing to make a sacrifice, the kind of voters that will, you know,

00:06:12.220 it's so important for them to participate that they'll carve out some time on the actual day of voting and go to the polls and do it.

00:06:20.740 Now, these Democrats, those are the voters they don't want.

00:06:25.820 But they can't stop those people from voting. 1.00

00:06:27.780 So instead, they drown out their votes in a flood of stupid, in a flood of lazy and stupid. 1.00

00:06:37.080 That's why they want a big turnout. 1.00

00:06:39.200 Big turnout means that a lot more than just the informed and interested and invested people came out.

00:06:46.000 It was exactly what they want.

00:06:47.720 And that's why, while everybody cheers for big turnouts, I hope for small ones, much smaller.

00:06:53.020 Ideally, there would be, you know, 10 or 20 million people voting.

00:06:57.060 Tops.

00:06:58.760 I mean, the really invested, the really informed, the really involved people.

00:07:03.200 And if it was just them, America would transform for the better practically overnight in that scenario.

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00:08:52.000 I have proposed before.

00:08:53.120 I'm not the only person to propose it.

00:08:54.740 You know, you have a basic sixth grade civics exam as a requirement for voting.

00:09:00.180 So if you were to just, I mean, take everything else out of it.

00:09:03.720 If you were to require sixth grade civics exam, taxpayer, citizen, ID, and you have to show up to the poll on the day to vote.

00:09:16.540 Leave all those five parameters, not very onerous at all.

00:09:22.080 That would rule out the vast majority of the electorate.

00:09:26.220 But the thing is, those are all the people we want to rule out.

00:09:30.800 Right?

00:09:31.180 Those are all the people that have no business voting in the first place.

00:09:33.540 If you can't pass a sixth grade civics exam, you have no business voting in the first place.

00:09:38.820 That's why I don't like mail-in voting.

00:09:41.400 It just makes it too easy.

00:09:43.640 I think it should be a little bit more difficult.

00:09:45.880 I think it should be harder to vote, not easier.

00:09:48.920 Oh, but you're advocating voter suppression, Matt.

00:09:51.160 Yeah, in a way, sure, I am.

00:09:53.460 I am advocating voter suppression.

00:09:56.200 I mean, the type of voters who can be suppressed because they're scared to go to the polls eight months after a virus came to America.

00:10:05.600 Yes, those voters I want to suppress.

00:10:08.240 I want to suppress them by forcing them to either make the sacrifice and take the risk and go or stay home.

00:10:13.760 So, if somebody isn't willing to put in that minimal amount of skin in the game, then we don't need them.

00:10:19.640 Don't want them.

00:10:22.040 And, you know, it's no hard feelings and no offense intended.

00:10:27.620 If you're someone who wouldn't think it was worth it to go out and vote, that's fine.

00:10:34.300 Godspeed.

00:10:34.760 I don't judge you.

00:10:35.500 That's perfectly fine.

00:10:36.760 I'm not one of these people who says, you're a bad American if you don't vote.

00:10:40.520 Tsk, tsk.

00:10:41.220 You should vote.

00:10:41.860 No. 0.99

00:10:42.900 It's ridiculous.

00:10:44.400 If you haven't been paying attention, if you don't care that much, if voting isn't really that important to you, that you wouldn't even leave your house to do it, then you decide not to vote. 0.95

00:11:00.880 I don't judge you for that.

00:11:01.800 In fact, not voting in that case is the patriotic thing because you are staying home rather than inflicting your ignorance on the rest of us, which I think is selfless and patriotic, and it's the right thing.

00:11:14.560 But I also think it should be forced.

00:11:16.020 That if you're in that camp, you just shouldn't be allowed to vote in the first place, or you should be forced to put in some effort.

00:11:24.100 That's everything I've just said.

00:11:27.800 Super scandalous these days.

00:11:29.120 You know, you say this kind of stuff, and people are like, how dare you?

00:11:31.720 The idea that you would suggest that anybody should be prevented from voting is scandalous.

00:11:36.840 I'm going to faint.

00:11:38.300 I'm so offended by it. 1.00

00:11:39.640 That's only because we are such a stupid, we have become such a stupid country in many ways, that we would find what I have just said scandalous. 0.99

00:11:48.960 When this was originally the idea, in the first place, this is how it's supposed to work. 1.00

00:11:58.500 All right, let's, so there's that.

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00:13:41.700 We'll move on, and like I said, we're going to go to the mailbag.

00:13:44.100 A lot of interesting questions, and let's go right to it.

00:13:46.560 From Luke says, hi, Matt.

00:13:47.600 Love the show.

00:13:48.300 Blah, blah.

00:13:48.940 Cutting to the chase.

00:13:49.840 I'm dying to hear your take on James Fairbanks.

00:13:53.340 Yes, James Fairbanks.

00:13:54.440 So this is a fascinating case.

00:13:55.540 If, and I know I said we weren't going to be all beholden to current events, but I had,

00:14:02.260 I got to talk about this because it is very interesting.

00:14:04.880 If you haven't heard, James Fairbanks is the name of a man in Nebraska who confessed to killing

00:14:11.760 a guy named Matteo Condalucci.

00:14:15.400 And Fairbanks just walked into Condalucci's house, shot him in the head, killed him, right?

00:14:20.920 Pretty clear cut, you would think. 0.97

00:14:22.360 The wrinkle here is that Matteo was a convicted pedophile.

00:14:26.780 So let me read from the District Herald on this.

00:14:29.360 You need to hear all the details because, as I said, fascinating.

00:14:34.080 Here's what it says.

00:14:35.340 The real-life Dexter was only caught because he wrote a lengthy letter to the media explaining

00:14:40.160 why he did it and vowed to turn himself in as long as they published it.

00:14:43.940 Fairbanks says that he had been, that he had seen Condalucci on the sex offender registry

00:14:50.900 while he was looking at a house in the neighborhood.

00:14:53.120 He was upset when he went to view the home and saw the pedophile outside looking at children.

00:14:57.820 Condalucci, 64, was found dead in his home in Omaha, Nebraska on Saturday after being

00:15:01.540 shot at his front door on Thursday.

00:15:03.640 On Thursday, Fairbanks, 43, was charged with the first-degree murder and use of a deadly

00:15:07.740 weapon to commit a felony.

00:15:08.960 In a confession email about the crime, Fairbanks, a former Omaha public school employee, wrote

00:15:12.840 that, quote, I've worked with kids for years who've been victimized and I couldn't in good

00:15:16.900 conscience allow him to do it to anyone else while I had the means to stop him.

00:15:21.180 The letter was sent to the various media outlets anonymously and posted to a social media.

00:15:26.580 The mother of one of Condalucci's victims, Laura Smith, has even started a Facebook group

00:15:30.660 to support Fairbanks.

00:15:31.760 Her son, Anthony, took his own life after being sexually abused by the pedophile when he

00:15:35.060 was five years old.

00:15:36.660 Smith has spent years trying to get justice for her son who died from an overdose in 2017.

00:15:41.680 Okay, so that's what happened with that part.

00:15:49.040 Let's go into the details of the pedo's crimes because they really do matter.

00:15:53.380 In 1993, Smith had moved in with Condalucci.

00:15:56.360 She made a run to the grocery store late one evening and when she came home, she found

00:16:00.100 her son violently crying in the bathroom.

00:16:03.300 I knew something was instantly wrong, Smith told the Daily Beast.

00:16:07.900 She said that her son claimed he had wet the bed.

00:16:10.340 My son has never wet the bed in his life.

00:16:12.540 I ended up packing my stuff the next day and when we were leaving, my son quietly said,

00:16:17.320 Mommy, I got something I got to tell you.

00:16:19.400 And I instantly knew. 0.96

00:16:21.340 The child told her that Condalucci had touched his genitals and forced him to touch his while 0.95

00:16:25.120 fully clothed. 0.95

00:16:26.420 The child predator pleaded guilty to attempted lewd and lascivious content or lascivious assault

00:16:31.220 upon a child in 1994 and was only sentenced to four years of probation and drug counseling. 0.81

00:16:37.700 In 2007, Condalucci struck again and raped a 13-year-old girl.

00:16:43.180 He was sentenced to five years in prison but released in just over two because of, quote,

00:16:47.200 good behavior.

00:16:48.000 Okay.

00:16:48.100 So, that's at least two molested children, only two years in prison between the two cases.

00:16:57.960 And we all know that there are many other victims aside from those.

00:17:01.900 This man was molesting a five-year-old in 1994.

00:17:04.840 His next conviction was 2017.

00:17:06.640 What do we think he was doing in the intervening decade and a half?

00:17:09.600 You know, another important note here is that the pedo's own daughter says that her dad was 0.81

00:17:17.460 a monster and children are safer now that he's gone. 0.95

00:17:20.980 And she thinks that Fairbanks should only get probation for murdering her dad. 0.96

00:17:25.780 So, that's the basic of it.

00:17:29.200 What's my take on this? 1.00

00:17:31.120 Right off the top, I'm glad that the pedophile is dead. 1.00

00:17:35.240 He deserved to die. 1.00

00:17:36.820 He had it coming. 1.00

00:17:38.240 Absolutely thrilled that he's dead.

00:17:40.420 Thrilled by that. 0.81

00:17:43.440 No one on earth should shed a tear for this monstrosity, obviously.

00:17:47.080 And it sounds like his own daughter isn't.

00:17:48.580 What does that tell you?

00:17:49.700 I mean, when you die and your own children call you a monster and say that the person

00:17:54.640 who killed you shouldn't go to jail, I mean, that just, if we didn't already know it from 1.00

00:18:00.360 his crimes, that confirms you as a just top-of-the-line scumbag, right? 0.97

00:18:07.600 Now, on the other hand, I also think that the courts can't explicitly condone vigilante 0.98

00:18:13.180 killing. 0.98

00:18:14.420 They can't come out and say, hey, you know, it's okay to kill pedophiles. 1.00

00:18:17.380 Obviously. 0.99

00:18:18.220 I mean, that would be anarchy.

00:18:19.340 They can't say that.

00:18:20.260 But if I were in charge, this man would not spend a day in jail.

00:18:24.420 Not one single day.

00:18:25.800 You know, I'd give him community service, probation, call it a day.

00:18:32.000 Here's the way I look at it.

00:18:33.060 You know, this is a matter of justice, right?

00:18:34.960 So what is justice in this case?

00:18:37.520 What is justice for this man, for Fairbanks?

00:18:41.160 Well, the pedophile molested a five-year-old child, you know, a five-year-old.

00:18:46.840 And I know that I don't need to explain why that's a horrible thing, but it's worth stopping

00:18:51.260 to think about this just for a moment.

00:18:52.620 Think about the mentality, okay, of a man who looks at an innocent five-year-old child and

00:18:57.920 sees in that child a thing, an object to be used sexually.

00:19:02.140 Think about the depths of evil, of just utter spiritual darkness and desolation required

00:19:10.220 to see a five-year-old child like that and then to act on it.

00:19:14.980 And so he does.

00:19:15.880 He molests the boy, ruins the boy's life.

00:19:18.700 And then when he's, what was it, 19, he dies of an overdose.

00:19:23.560 That was a boy whose innocence needed to be protected. 1.00

00:19:26.920 And instead, this piece of filth, this human garbage, this animal took that innocence, 1.00

00:19:31.540 took it. 1.00

00:19:33.280 And even if the death didn't come, you know, for another 15 years, he took that boy's life

00:19:39.100 too.

00:19:39.480 He killed him. 0.95

00:19:40.980 I mean, he murdered him. 0.88

00:19:43.360 And yet he gets no jail time.

00:19:45.600 No jail time.

00:19:47.620 Probation.

00:19:48.060 So let me ask you, if you can pay your debt to society for molesting a five-year-old by serving

00:19:54.820 probation, then what debt does a person owe for killing the molester who does that?

00:20:02.360 That's the way I look at this. 0.99

00:20:05.480 The pedo got no jail time for molesting a five-year-old, two years for raping a 13-year-old. 1.00

00:20:12.280 So then what is killing that pedophile worth? 0.99

00:20:15.540 Could it possibly be a greater crime than the molestations themselves? 0.99

00:20:19.940 No way.

00:20:20.400 I mean, for Fairbanks to get a harsher penalty than the pedophile himself got for preying

00:20:29.680 upon two children, at least, would be an enormous miscarriage of justice.

00:20:37.440 There's no way that we could call that justice.

00:20:42.140 And I know people are uncomfortable with the idea of, you know, we got to punish vigilantism,

00:20:45.740 but that cannot be.

00:20:46.760 You cannot claim that that would be justice.

00:20:50.180 I think justice here is looking at the pedo sentences and using that as your baseline.

00:20:56.860 So if he got a total of two years and I'm the judge, I'm looking at that and I'm giving

00:21:02.580 Fairbanks, I don't know, six months of probation or, you know, even half a day of community service.

00:21:08.660 I'll have him go clean up the side of a highway for, you know, six hours on some Tuesday, then

00:21:15.420 send him home so his neighbors can throw him a party, have a barbecue.

00:21:20.300 So that way, you know, you've technically convicted him.

00:21:23.000 You haven't explicitly condoned vigilantism, but also you're being just and you're being fair.

00:21:28.120 We should also highlight, I mean, it mentions it in the article, but according to Fairbanks,

00:21:34.260 he says that the thing that ultimately got him to act was that he, you know, was outside

00:21:38.860 and he talks about this in detail in his letter that he sent and he posted on social media,

00:21:43.320 which you can go read if you want to.

00:21:46.620 But he says he saw this guy outside in his driveway, just like staring down some children

00:21:51.480 that were in the street playing.

00:21:52.480 And so Fairbanks knew, okay, that this guy is going to continue to victimize children.

00:22:03.980 And, you know, the justice system had two cracks at him, did basically nothing.

00:22:10.040 And so he decided if I don't do something, he's going to continue to victimize kids.

00:22:14.760 And so I'm going to do something.

00:22:16.040 I'm, you know, that, that's courageous.

00:22:22.380 I mean, that's heroic.

00:22:23.900 What if, if you were in that position and you didn't do what Fairbanks did, which most

00:22:31.780 people would not, but if you didn't do what Fairbanks, it would it be, would it be because

00:22:37.680 you, you know, you think you, you, you, you think it's wrong to be a vigilante and that's

00:22:43.580 why you refrain or would it be because you just be afraid of doing that and you don't

00:22:48.240 want to throw your life away?

00:22:50.960 My point is the thing that would stop most of us from doing what Fairbanks did isn't

00:22:55.900 because of ethical qualms, as much as we might claim what really would stop us is just that

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00:24:38.800 By the way, one other thing here.

00:24:40.120 There is some precedent.

00:24:41.060 Um, there have been cases like this through the years.

00:24:43.200 Um, let me mention just one, one case of a dad.

00:24:48.380 I don't remember his name off the top of my head, but there was a dad in the eighties,

00:24:51.480 famous case.

00:24:52.060 Um, his son was kidnapped and raped by his, the son's, I think it was his karate instructor.

00:25:00.140 And they caught the rapist and they were bringing him, you know, they caught him in some other

00:25:06.180 state.

00:25:06.440 They brought him back on a plane to stand trial in, uh, in, in his home state.

00:25:11.300 And the dad was, was waiting.

00:25:13.380 And there's, there's video of this very famous video.

00:25:15.780 The dad was waiting at the airport with a gun for his son's rapist to show up.

00:25:22.600 And as soon as his son's rapist walked by him and he was cuffed, you know, he was surrounded

00:25:26.000 by cops. 0.99

00:25:26.640 The dad turned around, shot him point blank in the temple, killed him.

00:25:31.300 That dad, um, did not spend, I don't think spend one day in prison.

00:25:37.100 He had a suspended sentence in probation.

00:25:38.860 Now, you know, I look at that and I think that's, that was the right move.

00:25:46.260 I don't think that father should have went to jail.

00:25:48.880 I completely understand why that father did what he did.

00:25:53.560 And, um, so I, I think it's a very similar situation.

00:25:56.120 I think it should be treated the same way.

00:25:58.340 And I bring up that case in the eighties because anyone who says, well, if we don't come

00:26:02.020 down hard on this guy, it's going to be, uh, you know, it's going to be anarchy and,

00:26:05.300 and vigilantism everywhere.

00:26:06.520 Well, this was a case like 35 years ago and that the father faced basically no penalty

00:26:13.600 legally.

00:26:14.980 And have we been living in an anarchic hellscape ever since?

00:26:19.240 No.

00:26:20.280 All right.

00:26:20.620 From Claire says, Matt, I'm a fan, but I've heard you speak many times about the show

00:26:24.560 Breaking Bad and you've given it very high praise.

00:26:27.340 I finally took you up on your recommendation and I have to say, I was pretty surprised by

00:26:31.580 the show and disappointed in you.

00:26:32.940 I didn't expect the content to be as objectionable given that you as a Christian are recommending 1.00

00:26:38.060 it, especially as someone who has criticized Hollywood so many times for the filth it puts

00:26:41.700 out.

00:26:42.040 I didn't think you would actually recommend that filth.

00:26:45.060 Well, hi, Claire.

00:26:46.020 Um, if you're going to call Breaking Bad filth, then I don't know what exactly to say to you.

00:26:52.700 I never said the show was family friendly.

00:26:54.420 I never said that it was PG.

00:26:56.760 Um, you know, I never said it was something you'd find on the Disney channel.

00:27:01.220 And it is about a chemistry teacher who gets diagnosed with terminal cancer and then becomes

00:27:05.560 a drug lord.

00:27:06.760 Right.

00:27:07.280 That's like in the synopsis of the show.

00:27:09.060 So you had to know what you were getting yourself into.

00:27:12.060 Were you expecting Kirk Cameron to pop up?

00:27:14.080 Um, the show is most certainly not filth.

00:27:17.820 It is very poignant, absorbing, fascinating.

00:27:21.680 It's a study of a man's descent into evil.

00:27:24.800 Um, it by no means condones the evil or glamorizes it.

00:27:30.940 See, that's what filth does. 1.00

00:27:32.860 There is a lot of Hollywood filth and I do talk about it, but the filthy stuff, the filth, 0.98

00:27:38.420 the garbage is the stuff that glamorizes and condones what is degenerate, what is evil, 0.99

00:27:44.860 what is perverse. 0.99

00:27:45.580 There's a lot of stuff like that in Hollywood.

00:27:47.780 Breaking Bad does not do that.

00:27:49.660 Um, I, you know, if you watch Breaking Bad, I don't think you can come away from that saying,

00:27:52.860 you know what?

00:27:53.160 I really want to be a drug dealer.

00:27:55.880 Quite the opposite.

00:27:57.380 If you, if you had any thoughts of being a drug dealer, I think that something like

00:28:00.360 Breaking Bad would very much dissuade you.

00:28:02.980 So there's a lot of moral complexity to the show, which is exactly what you don't find in

00:28:07.820 so much of the Christian entertainment, which, you know, I don't mean to make assumptions,

00:28:11.400 but I'm assuming that's the kind of thing that you're, that's more your speed, which

00:28:14.580 is fine.

00:28:16.760 But I just don't, I, I don't think it, you know, I would say Breaking Bad is far more

00:28:21.160 edifying, even as a, you know, TV MA show with, with violence and, and drugs and cursing.

00:28:29.660 I think it's far more edifying than watching like, you know, God's not dead or some thing

00:28:37.340 like that.

00:28:39.140 You know, one scene that, and I've mentioned this before, and it's like in season three

00:28:42.940 or four, so you probably didn't see it because you were storming off in a huff before this

00:28:47.020 happened.

00:28:47.300 But there's one scene where Jesse, who's Walt's right-hand man, has just murdered somebody

00:28:53.220 in cold blood at Walt's behest.

00:28:57.240 And, you know, just, just killed someone.

00:28:58.340 And now he's overcome with guilt and grief.

00:29:01.600 But what he finds, and that happens like at the end of, I think it's season three.

00:29:05.040 And then season four picks up and, and, you know, he's, he's, he's, Jesse's guilt ridden

00:29:10.780 over this horrible thing that he's done.

00:29:12.320 But what he finds is that things start working out for him a lot.

00:29:14.940 And, you know, he's making a lot of money from the drugs and he gets away with the crime

00:29:17.920 and life is good seemingly.

00:29:20.300 But the fact that life is so good makes him even more guilty.

00:29:24.660 And so he's dealing with this the entire season.

00:29:26.320 And there's a scene towards the end of the season, finally, where Jesse is at a support

00:29:30.500 group, a Narcotics Anonymous type of support group.

00:29:33.760 And he launches into this monologue, partially sort of confessing to the murder in a roundabout

00:29:39.360 way.

00:29:40.940 But, you know, it's like a three or four minute monologue.

00:29:43.620 And in the course of this monologue, he's, he's basically crying out to be punished, crying

00:29:49.680 out that he's a bad man.

00:29:51.020 He's done horrible things and, and he should be punished for it.

00:29:55.240 And the fact that he isn't being punished makes him feel like life has no meaning and

00:29:58.660 there's no purpose.

00:30:00.380 It's, it's a tremendous scene and there's great moral depth to it.

00:30:04.220 It's very, very much like the kind of thing you find in Dostoevsky.

00:30:07.820 Like it's, it's very crime and punishment.

00:30:10.120 And there's a book that you probably wouldn't like because it's brutal and violent at points.

00:30:14.020 I mean, the book starts with, um, the protagonist murdering an old lady.

00:30:19.560 Okay.

00:30:20.420 But it's also a spiritual masterpiece.

00:30:22.060 And one of the best Christian works of fiction ever written, hands down.

00:30:26.740 And there's only a few other competitors and one other is written by Dostoevsky himself.

00:30:31.440 So my point is that scene in Breaking Bad and so many other scenes are exactly the kind of

00:30:38.740 thing you will not find in any Christian movie or any Hallmark show.

00:30:44.880 They could never pull that off.

00:30:48.640 Um, they could never manage those depths.

00:30:53.820 You know, God's not dead.

00:30:55.380 For example, like they make an attempt at something like that with their, with their, one of their,

00:30:59.480 you know, they got a couple atheist characters in the show who are just, who are total cartoons,

00:31:03.500 just one dimensional, just cartoons.

00:31:07.460 Not, not, not human beings.

00:31:08.740 You feel like you would meet in real life and they make an attempt to show the kind of guilt

00:31:13.580 and emptiness that you find, um, in from, from living a nihilistic life.

00:31:18.360 They don't even come close to what a show like Breaking Bad is able to do.

00:31:23.660 Um, but you rule all that out because it's not PG and it deals with serious things and there's death

00:31:33.480 and there's pain and there's suffering and there's evil and not everything works out perfectly.

00:31:40.600 Which is like, you know, real life.

00:31:43.700 I don't know.

00:31:44.400 I feel like stories and the shows we watch should have something worthwhile to say about the actual

00:31:51.640 world we live in.

00:31:52.780 It's okay to have some escapism that's, it's got nothing to do with anything, but, but, um,

00:31:58.580 the stuff that's really good and meaningful is going to have something to say about the real world

00:32:02.860 that we really live in.

00:32:05.960 And, uh, but you, I don't know, you, you, uh, you rule that out and all I, and that's, you're right.

00:32:10.220 That's fine.

00:32:11.380 But that doesn't make you a better Christian or me a worse one.

00:32:14.760 And I'm not sure why you'd be disappointed that I have good taste.

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00:33:57.760 This is from Courtney says, Hey there, Matt, I'm a big fan of your show.

00:34:00.560 I watch every day here lately.

00:34:02.040 My husband and I have had some difficult conversations about all of the government mandates and there's

00:34:06.960 one thing we just cannot come to an agreement on.

00:34:09.080 There's a lot of talk about forced vaccinations and us being Christians.

00:34:12.660 We want to do what is right in God's eyes.

00:34:14.840 The issue is that my husband believes that it is the right thing to do to take the vaccines

00:34:18.740 if the government mandates them.

00:34:20.480 Because as Christians, the Bible mandates that we follow the laws of the land.

00:34:24.440 I disagree with him knowing that I know, knowing what I know about Bill Gates and the vaccine

00:34:27.680 industry.

00:34:28.860 We have an almost two year old daughter and I believe that it is my God given duty to protect

00:34:32.100 my child.

00:34:32.660 Should Christians comply with mandates like this or should we push back against a tyrannical

00:34:36.220 government that wants us to force, wants to force something like this on unwilling participants?

00:34:41.260 Some advice is appreciated given that the Bible doesn't directly address this particular issue.

00:34:44.660 God bless.

00:34:45.040 Okay, Courtney, by the way, I'm sniffling so much out of allergies, just so you know,

00:34:49.980 it's not coronavirus.

00:34:51.700 This is a tough time to have allergies, you know, because people just, people look at you

00:34:56.900 like you have leprosy.

00:35:01.620 This is part of the burden that I carry.

00:35:05.760 Having a case of the sniffles is a very significant cross that I carry.

00:35:09.680 Anyway, Courtney, so here's my take on this.

00:35:11.860 I don't think the government should mandate it.

00:35:15.040 I think you'd be morally justified in resisting the mandate because I don't think the government

00:35:21.320 should be in the position of forcing people to inject things into their bodies.

00:35:26.320 Just flat out, period, right?

00:35:28.760 But I also think that if you decide that it's best to take it and comply, that's fine too.

00:35:33.880 I don't think you're a bad Christian either way.

00:35:35.880 I think either approach is consistent with Christianity as long as you're following your conscience.

00:35:40.780 I just don't, I don't think this is one of those things where we could say, well, if you're

00:35:43.640 a Christian, this is what you should do with the coronavirus vaccine. 0.90

00:35:46.440 I, you know, it's, it's, it's not one of those things that is necessarily a moral absolute.

00:35:52.560 But here, here's, here's, here's the rub, uh, I suppose.

00:35:59.280 Follow your conscience and you are obliged to follow your conscience.

00:36:06.000 God gave us a conscience to be an arbiter in these kinds of situations.

00:36:09.880 Not the arbiter, okay?

00:36:11.740 Not the final arbiter.

00:36:13.380 I'm not saying we, we have the final and ultimate say over what is right and wrong.

00:36:19.800 But we are an arbiter, you know, our conscience is an arbiter and an important one that God

00:36:25.500 gave us.

00:36:27.040 Because it's right, not, not every issue that you're going to encounter, are you going to

00:36:31.140 be able to pick up the Bible and find chapter and verse and, well, here's where it covers

00:36:35.140 the coronavirus vaccine, right there.

00:36:36.780 Uh, that's, it's just not going to be the case.

00:36:39.620 And so there are going to be plenty of, plenty of situations in life that you've encountered

00:36:42.860 already, plenty of them, I'm sure, where you just have to think it over, uh, talk about

00:36:47.640 it, pray about it, decide what, what's best for you and your family.

00:36:51.180 This is one of those things. 0.98

00:36:52.600 Uh, this is from James says, dear Matt, beards are ugly and yours is ugliest of all. 0.98

00:37:00.100 You know what, James? 0.98

00:37:01.000 I'm not even mad at you for that. 0.97

00:37:04.960 I'm not mad because you are a babyface freak. 1.00

00:37:10.300 And I don't, I don't mean that as an insult. 0.96

00:37:13.300 Um, it's just, it's just what you are scientifically.

00:37:16.740 And babyface freaks are naturally envious. 1.00

00:37:19.960 It's, it's part of your nature.

00:37:21.400 And you see men of great testosterone and great hairiness.

00:37:27.100 You see in us something that you could never attain.

00:37:32.240 And so you lash out because you're hurting.

00:37:35.400 You're hurting.

00:37:36.320 I get it.

00:37:36.920 I understand that.

00:37:37.820 I'm not mad at you for it.

00:37:39.120 I'm not.

00:37:40.180 I will pray for you.

00:37:42.540 I will pray for you. 1.00

00:37:43.700 You sniveling bastard. 1.00

00:37:48.380 Um, let's see, where are we going to go? 1.00

00:37:52.400 This is from Tim says, Matt, you guys are past your lockdown, but mine is still ongoing.

00:37:57.620 I've been bored to death these last two months.

00:37:59.580 Wondering if you have some good ideas for beating boredom.

00:38:02.140 Um, I know you talk about fishing a lot, but there's no lakes nearby.

00:38:05.580 I'm not really into it anyway.

00:38:07.660 Uh, what else do you do when you have time to kill?

00:38:09.580 Honestly, Tim, I don't, I don't know what that is.

00:38:12.920 I don't know what boredom is.

00:38:14.220 Um, I can't remember the last time I was bored.

00:38:16.320 Maybe I was 12 was the last time I was bored.

00:38:18.620 I, I don't know what it is to be bored.

00:38:20.420 So I couldn't tell you how to beat it.

00:38:22.160 Uh, I, I accept that there's no excuse to ever be bored.

00:38:26.020 You know, it's easy for me to say right now because I got four kids.

00:38:28.980 And so, you know, four young kids, they don't really

00:38:31.360 allow for boredom in the house.

00:38:34.300 But even if I didn't, I mean, I lived alone as an adult for half a decade and

00:38:38.160 I don't remember ever being bored.

00:38:40.180 I just can't, how, yeah, I know with the lockdown, there's not as much to do,

00:38:43.760 but there's still, it's, you've got an entire world, an entire life.

00:38:48.640 I mean, there's so much with every moment that you could do or try or think about even.

00:38:57.400 Um, or, or, you know, I mean, so many books.

00:39:00.120 There, there are way, way more books to read than there are hours in the day to read them.

00:39:06.200 So, I mean, even that.

00:39:09.740 I mean, you, you, you could set to your mind that for the next five years with, with every

00:39:16.140 extra moment you have, you're just going to read books.

00:39:18.140 And that would be a very fruitful and fascinating way to spend your time.

00:39:25.120 And there'd be no reason to be bored there either, because you would never get through

00:39:28.880 all of the most interesting books.

00:39:30.360 You wouldn't even get close.

00:39:31.180 So, I just don't get it.

00:39:34.680 I mean, even if you live for a million years, people, and I, and I hear, you're not, I don't

00:39:38.280 mean to pick on you, but you hear this from, I hear this from adults all the time about

00:39:41.800 how they get bored.

00:39:43.660 If you lived for a million years, I would say there is no excuse to be bored, even in a million

00:39:48.140 years.

00:39:48.500 Considering how much there is to do as a human in the world, but considering we only live

00:39:56.880 for like 85 years, tops, and you're getting bored, I don't get it.

00:40:06.240 I don't get it.

00:40:06.920 So, how do you beat boredom?

00:40:07.880 Just like do anything.

00:40:10.860 Do, if you're bored in a lockdown, then I assume you don't have kids.

00:40:14.540 That's an assumption I'm going to make.

00:40:15.740 And if, if that assumption is correct, I mean, geez, man, like just do, go, go anywhere,

00:40:23.360 do anything.

00:40:25.820 That's my suggestion.

00:40:29.400 Let's see.

00:40:30.200 Okay.

00:40:35.480 This is from Vincent says, hi, Matt.

00:40:37.160 Why do you think that religious liberty is good? 1.00

00:40:39.360 It goes against Catholic doctrine because the only true faith is the Catholic faith and 0.98

00:40:43.900 show it's so it should be the only religion allowed.

00:40:46.700 Now, granted, religious liberty is only allowed when it will cause public strife and unrest 0.97

00:40:53.260 in a country.

00:40:53.900 This is the case with the USA and so would not work with it. 0.69

00:40:57.480 But as a Catholic, you should not be advocating for it. 1.00

00:41:00.000 Forgive me if I'm wrong, but that's what it seems like.

00:41:02.740 Okay.

00:41:02.920 I'm trying to follow your logic here, Vincent.

00:41:05.600 I think you, well, you are wrong.

00:41:07.300 Um, there's, there's, there's no reason at all why there's, there's certainly nothing

00:41:11.860 in Catholic doctrine.

00:41:12.580 I assure you that, um, rules out or condemns religious liberty, quite the opposite.

00:41:20.500 Uh, so as a Catholic, you should certainly be in favor of religious liberty.

00:41:24.560 Now, if what you're trying to say is, um, well, as a Catholic, then you believe that Catholicism

00:41:29.720 is the one true faith.

00:41:30.740 And so, um, what good is it to give people the freedom to be in the wrong religion? 0.94

00:41:36.640 I guess that's where you're going with it.

00:41:38.440 But yes, as a Catholic, I believe that Catholicism is the one true faith.

00:41:42.320 Of course, if I didn't, I wouldn't be Catholic.

00:41:44.400 But I also believe that, um, I believe in free will.

00:41:51.620 And in order for a choice to have any meaning, you have to, you have to choose it.

00:41:56.380 It has to actually be a choice.

00:41:57.580 And so that's, that's where freedom comes in.

00:42:02.080 We have to give people the freedom.

00:42:03.940 So, uh, you know, what's, what's the alternative?

00:42:07.480 You know, you could have like a theocracy and force everybody to be Catholic, but what good 1.00

00:42:13.040 is that?

00:42:13.440 They're forced to, it's, it's, it's not authentic.

00:42:15.680 It's not chosen.

00:42:17.580 You can't force it into their minds and their hearts.

00:42:20.800 And even if you could, you shouldn't.

00:42:23.480 I mean, God doesn't even do that.

00:42:25.320 He could and he doesn't.

00:42:26.340 Uh, God obviously believes in religious liberty.

00:42:32.720 If, if God wanted to just force everyone to know the truth and believe it, he could, but

00:42:41.540 he doesn't because we have free will.

00:42:43.360 And so that, that, I wouldn't be in favor of that.

00:42:46.860 Now I say that, I know this is a little confusing because I, of course, I'm a theocratic fascist.

00:42:52.360 But as I've said before, for that part of it, as a theocratic fascist, it's more like the,

00:42:57.620 concentrate more on the fascist end of that.

00:43:00.000 Because when I'm dictator, you know, the theocracy part will kind of come and go according to my

00:43:04.480 whims.

00:43:04.720 I will just govern by my whims.

00:43:06.880 So putting that aside, no, I don't really believe in a theocracy because for that reason,

00:43:12.280 you know, you, you, you have to be able to choose.

00:43:14.560 And I think everybody should choose, um, truth.

00:43:18.860 But they have to choose it or otherwise it's, it has no meaning.

00:43:25.240 But thanks for the question.

00:43:26.680 And I think, uh, I got through a whole stack of them here.

00:43:29.060 So I think that's pretty good.

00:43:30.280 We spent more time than I thought on the, uh, James Fairbank story, but that, that is a

00:43:33.940 very interesting story to, uh, to follow.

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The Matt Walsh Show - May 26, 2020

Ep. 493 - James Fairbanks Shouldn't Spend a Day in Jail

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