Ep. 526 - A Majority Of Americans Say America Is Racist. They're Wrong.
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A new poll finds that a majority of Americans think that our country is racist. They re wrong, of course, but what does it tell us that so many Americans believe that? And what are the implications of this? Also, a continued bloodbath in Chicago, while the mayor is mainly concerned with tweeting about Donald Trump, and the left s latest discovery that BMI, which tells us whether people are fat or not, turns out that s racist.
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Today on the Matt Wall Show, a new poll finds that a majority of Americans think that our
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country is systemically racist. They're wrong, of course, but what does it tell us that so many
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Americans believe that? What are the implications of this? We'll talk about that. Also, five
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headlines, including the continued bloodbath in Chicago, while the mayor is mainly concerned
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with tweeting about Donald Trump, and the left's latest discovery that BMI, which is the Body
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Mass Index, which tells us whether people are fat or not. Turns out that's racist. Yeah, and I'll
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tell you why. In our daily cancellation, I will be canceling the Trump campaign. May not be the
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most ideal time to be canceling the Trump campaign, but I have a good reason, and I'll explain that as
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well. All of that coming up, but starting here, there's a poll from the Wall Street Journal and
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NBC that's getting a lot of attention. It finds that a majority of Americans, including white
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Americans, believe that American society is racist, is fundamentally, inherently racist.
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And this, I believe, is the largest number that we've ever seen in these polls. Here's a look at
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some of the graphs. So 56% say American society is racist, significantly more women than men,
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but almost half of men, 51%, or almost half of men, and 51% of whites believe this, 78% of blacks,
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82% of Democrats, not surprised there, 30% of Republicans, which is actually quite high. Now,
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I'm not surprised by that either, but that's quite high. 45% of independents, and then if you look at
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who exactly is supposed to be the target of this racism, the majority, very sizable majority, say
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that black people are the ones being discriminated against, also Hispanic, fewer would say Asian,
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and then it looks to be a little less than 15%, I don't know, 12% or 13% say whites are the ones
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discriminated against. Now, I want to talk about this and talk about what it means, but let me read
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a little bit from the NBC report on this, because it has more information. And I mean, it goes without
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saying, of course, that the reporting here is wildly biased, but here's what it says.
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Amid a moment of national reckoning on racial issues and the mourning of one of country's most
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revered civil rights leaders, new members from the NBC News slash Wall Street Journal poll
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show, or numbers I should say, show that American voters have become significantly more aware of
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racial discrimination and more sympathetic to those protesting to end it, even as the country
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remains deeply divided over the prevalence of bigotry and its root causes. Okay, notice
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the bias being worn right on the sleeve here, which is where I prefer for the bias to be worn. I think
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it's less dangerous when you're just upfront and obvious with it. This is the organization that
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conducted the poll, but they don't say Americans think our country is racist. Americans believe our
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country is racist. Now, they say Americans are becoming aware that our country is racist. In other
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words, America is definitely racist, says NBC, but now those dumb Americans are finally catching on.
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That's the way they're framing this. The poll finds that voters in America are now more likely to say
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that people of color experience discrimination to describe athletes kneeling in protest of racial
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inequality as appropriate, to view the Black Lives Matter movement as a positive force, and to support
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the removal of Confederate monuments in public spaces. The poll found that a majority of Americans,
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56 percent, say American society is racist. We already went over that. That share is almost
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unchanged since the Associated Press found 55 percent of voters saying American society is racist in a
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July 1988 survey. So we're supposed to believe over 30 years, what, there's been no progress? Not only is
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America still racist, but there's been no progress in terms of defeating racism, even after having a
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black president for eight years. No progress. We're still exactly where we were before.
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2008, just 28 percent of voters said the black Americans are discriminated against, while 51 percent
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said they are treated fairly. But in this latest poll, the share who believe black Americans experience
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discrimination has jumped to 59 percent. And then for the first time, the poll also asked the same
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battery of questions about the treatment of white Americans. About 3 in 10 voters overall say that
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white people receive too many special privileges, while 53 percent say white Americans are treated
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fairly, and 15 percent say they experience, those being white people, experience discrimination.
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Now you notice, another thing to notice, how confused the poll respondents are.
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Nobody has any idea what they're talking about here, or what they think.
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It's not just they don't have any idea what they're talking about, they don't even know what they think.
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Because what we take from this is that a large number of people, apparently,
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who think that American society is racist in favor of white people, also don't think that white people
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receive any special privileges. The number of people who think that white people receive special
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privileges is only 30 percent. Only 30 percent say whites are specially privileged, while over 50 percent,
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56 percent, was it, say America is racist. You see the disconnect here. There's 26 percent missing.
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If America is racist against black people, then we should see that white people receive benefits
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that black people don't. That would seem to be a necessary aspect of systemic racism. That, in fact,
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would be, should be one of the ways that you know systemic racism exists. That should be one of the
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symptoms, one of the indicators. Yet some of the people, it seems like a large number of people
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who think that America is racist against blacks, don't think that this benefits whites in any way.
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So it's totally confused. All you have to do is reframe the racism question slightly,
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and you get a radically different answer. And what that shows you is people, again, it's not just that
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they don't know what they're talking about, although they don't. They don't even know what they really
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think about these issues. We also know that from what it said before. You look at that ridiculous jump
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from 2008. 28 percent of voters said that black Americans are discriminated against in 2008.
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12 years later, 59 percent. Okay? The number has doubled in 12 years. What happened in the last
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12 years? I mean, if you didn't think that black Americans were discriminated against on a systemic
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level in 2008, why would you think it now? What evidence can you marshal? I mean, another way of
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putting it, what actual evidence, if you are in that number, the 30 percent of people or so who did
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think that we were systemically racist in 2008, but now you think we are, what evidence did you stumble
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upon in the last 12 years that changed your mind? Well, I already know the answer to that question.
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I'll tell you what the evidence is. A small smattering of high-profile cases of black people
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being killed by the cops. That's it. I mean, that's your evidence. And also, you know, just the chaos in
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the streets. And it's the other, I think maybe even more than that, the evidence that probably has
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swayed you is just a lot of people screaming in your face, insisting that America is racist. And
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finally, you got beaten down and said, okay, fine, it is. And that was enough for you. If I'm wrong,
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and if there's some other evidence that you came across, some real evidence of systemic racism
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that changed your mind, then tell me what it is. I don't think you can present it because I don't
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think it exists. Let's see. Back to the article says, despite the increased recognition of
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discrimination faced by racial minorities, there it is again, increased recognition of
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discrimination. The country remains deeply divided on the root causes of racism. 46% of voters say that
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racism is built into the American society, including into the country's policies and institutions,
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while 44% say racism is perpetrated only by individuals who hold racist views. Okay.
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systemically racist. First of all, America is not systemically racist against black people.
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That's a myth. I've already explained why it's a myth. I provided the evidence. I'm not going to go
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into it again. You can go back and watch the shows where I've talked about it. You can read the pieces
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that I've written or that many other people have written addressing this claim. There is no evidence
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to support the systemic racism claim. And some anecdotes that you have, that's not evidence.
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anecdotes to include high profile, very rare cases of black people being killed by the cops,
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especially when you consider that in many of those cases, like the Rashard Brooks case, for example,
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the guy at the Wendy's in Atlanta, or you go all the way back to one of the, you know, one of the
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first in this, at least in the BLM age of Michael Brown, really the one that started it all. In those
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cases, not only is that anecdotal, but actually the shooting was entirely justified. So of, you know,
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how many high profile cases of unjustified police shootings have there been in the last five years?
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A few. There's been a few. That doesn't prove anything about systemic racism. It doesn't even
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come close to it. I'm afraid to tell you, especially because as has been pointed out many times by now,
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we could also come up with even more examples of unjustified shootings of white people. Not high
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profile because nobody cares, but they are happening. Okay. In fact, the only example of
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explicit, official, systemic, state-sanctioned, or even state-mandated racism that I can think of,
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and again, if you could think of a different one, let me know. The only one I can think of right now
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is affirmative action. There you have policies that explicitly discriminate against certain groups.
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They discriminate against whites and also, especially white men and also Asians.
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So that is explicit, systemic discrimination. There's an example. Now, if you've got something
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like that, explicit, state-mandated, or sanctioned, official, systemic discrimination written into a policy,
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if you have an example like that which targets black Americans, then let me know what it is.
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But I don't think you do have an example or can provide one.
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The main thing we should take from this, I think, and keeping in mind that polls can only be trusted
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so much, and also the groups conducting it are clearly biased, and also polls exist mostly to
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shape public opinion rather than to gauge it. But even so, all that in mind, I don't doubt the
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basic thrust here, that an increasing number of Americans think America is racist, and that number,
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whatever it is, is probably over 50%. I buy that. So what we take from that, first of all,
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the conservative case cannot win, cannot prevail in a culture that sees itself as racist.
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There is no such thing as a conservatism that also buys into or even entertains this idea of
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systemic racism. And I'll tell you why. Because conservatism is supposed to be about conserving.
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If it means anything, it means conserving, defending, maintaining, right? What are we conserving?
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Well, that's a good question. We should probably figure that out at some point.
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I would say that we are conserving the nuclear family, we're conserving the sanctity of life,
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we're conserving the Constitution, we're conserving rationality, we're conserving objective
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morality, we're conserving Western civilization. And now we're even fighting to conserve basic
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scientific truths, like the difference between men and women, which is a very important fight as well.
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The problem is that the BLM set would tell us, have told us, is currently shouting at us,
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and you can see it on their website if you want. They tell us that all of those things,
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to include concepts like objectivity, are channels of white supremacy. These are not just relics of
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white supremacy, these are current active agents of it. The Constitution, nuclear family, all of that
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is part of the systemic racism problem. Which actually makes sense from their point of view,
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because if America is inherently, these are things that are inherent to America, to the American
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identity. And if America is inherently racist, then those things must be as well.
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So we cannot be successful in conserving these things if the left is successful in painting them
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as racist. Which means that we cannot win as conservatives if the America is racist narrative
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is winning. It's really one or the other. Right now it's the other. Right now they're the ones
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winning. Which means we have our work cut out for us. And it also means, people ask me all the time,
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how do we come back from this? How do we reclaim the culture and all that? Well, there isn't any flip
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we can switch. There isn't any easy one, two step plan. One, two, three, you know, follow the steps
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type of thing. Step-by-step plan for reclaiming the culture. It isn't as easy as that. It also
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isn't as quick as that. And everyone's looking for the quick fix. Immediate, you know, gratification.
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But that doesn't exist with this. This is a generational fight. This is what I keep saying.
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It's important for us to realize. It's a generational fight. The left has gotten to us, gotten us to this
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point by infiltrating all of our, you know, major American institutions, the family, academia, media,
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corporate America. Um, and that's how they've succeeded. They've done it over generations. If
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we're going to, uh, fight back, it's going to be a generational struggle that happens over the,
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over the longterm. You know, we have to sort of buckle up and be ready for that, for a fight
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that takes that long. And, you know, we have to be willing to fight, um, for our kids and our
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grandkids. I mean, and our great grandkids for, for, for, for people in our families that we'll never
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meet. We have to be willing to look at it that way. Cause if you think you're fighting, you know,
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if you're an adult in America today and you're fighting because for your own sake, cause you
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don't want to live in a country like this and you want to make it better for you. Well, that's
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understandable. I get that, but it's probably not going to get much better under your watch.
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at Benham brothers.com slash Walsh. Number one, 15 people were, um, shot while leaving a funeral in
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Chicago yesterday. Here's the local report on that. Chicago police telling us that there were 14
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gunshot victims in this one incident that happened near 79th and Carpenter here in the Auburn Gresham
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neighborhood tonight. The shooting actually happened outside of a funeral home as a group was exiting that
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funeral home. A car drove by and started firing at that group. We are learning more about the person
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being remembered. It was a service for Donnie Weathersby. He was 31 years old. He was shot in the
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head a week ago in Englewood. Again, this happened around 6 30 tonight. Chicago police telling us it
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was that black car that drove by the funeral home on 79th and passed by that funeral home firing shots
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into a crowd. Again, 14 people were shot, but Chicago police say they found 60 shell casings on scene,
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and that was because the crowd actually started firing back at the occupants in that car. Chicago
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police believe there may have been four occupants in that car. They say that they do believe that
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they have one person of interest in custody. So just another day in Chicago, really, I guess.
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That's what it's like in the city, in many cities, Chicago especially. But Chicago's mayor,
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Lori Lightfoot, she says that the citizens of her city, you know, they're not really worried about
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this, about armed men gunning them down in mass while they're walking down the street. They're not
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worried about that. What they're worried about are the federal law enforcement officers that Trump has
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sent into Portland to take control, and really specifically to defend the federal building
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there that the angry mob has repeatedly tried to burn down. We're told somehow this is a very
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unreasonable step by the president to try to prevent the mob from burning down a federal building.
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How dare you? You tyrant. Here's the tweet that Lori Lightfoot sent out on the same night that over a
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dozen people were sprayed with bullets in her city. She says, under no circumstances,
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why allow Donald Trump's troops to come to Chicago and terrorize our residents?
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Yes, terrorize our residents. You really think, Lightfoot, you incompetent, ridiculous hack,
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you think that's what your residents are terrified by when they're walking down the street?
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You think they're worried about a federal agent coming and shooting them? No, they're worried about
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what happened to those people leaving the funeral. Just got randomly shot. This is happening every day
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in your godforsaken hellhole of a city. That's what they're terrified of and terrorized by.
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Number two, Ringo checking in. Ayanna Pressley sent out this tweet, says, cancel rent, cancel mortgage,
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cancel student debt. 86,000 likes on that. Doesn't take a lot of effort for the left,
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for leftist politicians. And yeah, I like it too. I'm going to add, we'll make it 86,001 likes,
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because I like it. Only I prefer to add to it, you know, let's like, yeah, cancel all those. Let's
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also cancel while we're at it. Sadness, loneliness, tummy aches, diabetes, death. That's a big one.
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Asteroids, the law of cause and effect, you know, to me, really harsh is my buzz. I don't know about
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you. Gravity canceled so we can fly, obviously. And you know, why not cancel war and hunger while
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we're at it? We might as well. I can't believe no one's thought of that by now. Like that's quite
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an oversight. So cancel all the bad things. Here, here's the point. And this is, and this is what
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Ayanna Pressley is trying to say. And it's really quite brilliant. What she's saying is cancel the bad
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things, right? Now listen to this. Listen to the next part though. Okay. Cancel the bad things. All right.
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Step one. Step two, have only good things. You see that? Really, I mean, just incredible insight,
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brilliant strategy. And this is why we need people like Ayanna Pressley in Congress with those kinds
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of ideas. Number three, Twitter's cracking down on accounts and groups that are dangerous,
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which is good because, you know, I can think of some dangerous groups that are right now in the
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process of ripping American cities to shreds. You know, that would be maybe a group you want to
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keep an eye on if you're Twitter or any other social media. I mean, they do use these social
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media platforms to organize and plan their felonious activities. So I could understand Twitter cracking
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down on them. But only, of course, Twitter is not worried about those groups. Instead, they're
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targeting the QAnon people. Here's the announcement from Twitter in a long thread. They said,
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we've been clear that we will take strong enforcement action on behavior that has put the
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potential to lead to offline harm. In line with this approach this week, we are taking further
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action on so-called QAnon activity across the service. We will permanently suspend accounts tweeting
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about these topics that we know are engaged in violations of our multi-account policy, coordinating
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abuse around individual victims, or are attempting to evade previous suspensions, something we've seen
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more of in recent weeks. And then it goes on from there. Let me just say, aside from the obvious
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absurdity of going after QAnon when you've got Antifa using your platform to plan violent activity,
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aside from that, if you're trying to tamp down a conspiracy theory, especially a conspiracy theory
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like QAnon, this is not the way to do it. This is actually the opposite of how you do it.
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I can think of no better way of, in the minds of QAnon people, confirming everything they think
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than by banning them in mass. First of all, acknowledging them by name. So it's not even
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just that Twitter's saying conspiracy theorists. It's QAnon people, that's what they're saying,
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acknowledging it by name and say, we are targeting them for suspension. In the mind of a conspiracy
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theorist, you have just, like if somebody was toying with the QAnon idea, if they were on the verge,
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if they were on the gateway of being a QAnon conspiracy theorist, you have just shoved them
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all the way over the edge with this. Which, if I want to be conspiratorial myself, I almost think
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that's part of the point for Twitter and other platforms. They want more people on the right
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to buy into this QAnon idiocy because it makes us look so stupid and it discredits us. So they like
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it and they're going to do anything they can to encourage it. If I wanted to be conspiratorial
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myself, I would say that maybe that's the point here. Number four, okay, let me read this to you.
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This is good. Always good to be alerted when some new thing becomes racist. You got to keep up on this.
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And there's a new thing becoming racist every day. So it's really important.
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What I actually do is I have an alert on my phone and I have it say there's actually an app you can
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get. And anytime a new thing becomes racist, it'll send you an alert and I can just check,
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oh, this is racist now. And I can just, you know, I'll pick up my phone. Even a couple of mornings
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ago, I picked up my phone alert. It says pancakes are racist. And I thought, okay, good. Because I was
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going to have pancakes for breakfast. They're racist now. I'll go with waffles. All right.
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So this is the latest thing. Actually, that app doesn't exist, but someone needs to make that app.
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I throw that idea out there. Actually, I don't throw it out. I retract it because I might want
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to do that myself. Don't do it. You can't legally. I've just copyrighted it. All right. This is how it
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works. Let's go to, okay, where, where was this? Which, which ridiculous publication? Huffington Post.
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All right. It says, if a research group today conducted a study on a single gender or ethnic
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group, critics would be quick to point out that its findings couldn't reasonably be applied to
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anyone outside of that group or gender. It seems like basic logic, right? Unfortunately,
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such is the case with the body mass index, a weight to height ratio used by healthcare providers,
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insurance companies, and the scientific community. There is growing criticism for the use of BMI.
00:25:49.420
For example, it doesn't take body composition, fat versus muscle into account, and a person's weight
00:25:55.420
doesn't correlate directly with their health. However, there's not much mainstream discussion
00:25:59.260
about its racist roots. And then, okay, let me get to the part, because this is what matters.
00:26:05.480
They're saying BMI is, they start by saying BMI is, is not a great way of actually measuring whether
00:26:10.640
or not someone is fat, overweight, or unhealthy. I actually agree with that. I think it's not good.
00:26:16.640
I think it's, I think it is a, not a very effective tool in that way, but they also claim that it's
00:26:23.720
racist. So let's go. This is where they explain the racist roots of the body mass index. The racist
00:26:31.180
roots of the BMI index go back a long way. Created by Belgian mathematician Adolfi Quetelet in 1832 as
00:26:40.600
the Quetelet index, the scale was created, I think we should still call it the Quetelet index. It's
00:26:46.340
more fun to say. The scale was created using data from predominantly European men to measure weight
00:26:51.160
in different populations. Although Quetelet noted that it was a population level tool and not meant
00:26:55.840
to be used on individuals, physiologist Ansel Keyes reintroduced the calculation in 1972 as the
00:27:01.660
body mass index. So that's it. Those are the racist roots. If you were waiting for something else,
00:27:09.820
I was too. That's it. That's their whole, that's why it's racist is because it was used for the data.
00:27:18.500
They originally used a lot of European men that makes it racist. Like it's some sort of conspiracy
00:27:24.220
against black people. But this is, of course, everything has to be right on the left. Now they
00:27:30.780
can't just merely criticize something. It has to also be racist, which in this case is completely
00:27:37.580
pointless as it often is because you can easily make the case. If you have a problem with the BMI
00:27:42.360
index, you can easily make the case on a scientific level. We don't need to get into
00:27:46.940
it's somehow BMI, somehow a body mass index is racist. That's absurd. We don't need to get into
00:27:53.480
that. There are many solid scientific reasons. There are a lot of health experts who would tell you
00:27:58.520
that this is not a very effective way of measuring whether or not someone is really healthy or not.
00:28:03.160
Uh, and I agree with that. Maybe I'm, you know, and, and maybe it's a little bit selfish on,
00:28:11.440
on my part because, you know, I've looked at BMI indexes and that sort of thing before,
00:28:15.700
and then tried to calculate where I am. Am I overweight? And oftentimes on those things,
00:28:20.780
they'll tell me that I'm overweight. I don't feel like I'm overweight. I don't think I look
00:28:23.440
overweight. Maybe I do. Uh, it's possible, but I don't think that I am. So maybe there's a little
00:28:29.040
bit of, you know, maybe it's a little bit self-serving on my part, but, uh, I don't think
00:28:33.740
it, it always takes into account every, everything that needs to be taken into account. All right.
00:28:37.740
Um, let's go to number five, easy transition here from Huffington Post to Teen Vogue. Um,
00:28:46.860
and you know what? I wasn't going to read from this, but I've done too much reading already and I can't
00:28:51.480
even the title, the headline is black power naps is addressing systemic racism in sleep.
00:29:02.420
I can't even stomach. I I'm sorry. I was going to read some of this. I'm sure it's pretty funny.
00:29:07.960
What they're claiming is that, well, it's just right there. There's systemic racism in sleep. Now
00:29:13.580
sleep itself is systemically racist. And they actually call for the writer of this article,
00:29:19.440
uh, Brittany McNamara at some point, let me see if I can at least find this part. At some point,
00:29:25.280
she talks about sleep reparations that are needed. We need to have on top of regular reparations,
00:29:34.520
money. There also need to be sleep reparations. I'm not sure exactly how that will work.
00:29:40.040
Um, you know, I kind of feel like, you know, if you're a black person, you want to take a nap,
00:29:44.740
go take a nap. I don't think you need specific reparations here, just like anybody else.
00:29:49.440
If you want to take a nap, you can probably carve out some time in the day to do it. Uh,
00:29:52.940
not much of a napper myself, but anyway. All right. I'm not even going to, I, I, sorry, I can't,
00:29:58.620
I can't do it. You can go to teen Vogue yourself and read that article if you want to. Let's go to
00:30:03.140
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00:30:09.540
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Okay. Today for our daily cancellation, uh, I'm afraid to tell you that the Trump campaign is
00:30:54.760
canceled. Just canceled. Uh, the campaign as it is currently being run is canceled. They can start
00:31:03.080
a new campaign. I'm not saying they have to shut down the campaign completely, uh, but they're
00:31:07.020
going to have to start a new one because the current one is canceled. Let me give you an example as to
00:31:11.980
why it's canceled. And yes, this is one tweet fine, but it's indicative of a larger pattern.
00:31:22.180
So yesterday, Ivanka Trump, who after nearly four years in the administration has at no point
00:31:28.080
managed to demonstrate why she deserves to have a job in the administration, aside from the fact that
00:31:33.180
she's daddy's favorite, I guess. Um, but Ivanka Trump tweeted this, uh, and this is in response
00:31:41.080
to another tweet from a Dem operative from back in the primaries. And that was something attacking
00:31:46.480
Joe Joe Biden for an op-ed that he wrote nearly 40 years ago, where he laments a daycare tax credit,
00:31:53.520
which is, which he said was being given to a lot of higher income families who didn't need it.
00:31:57.920
And he points out that it's, it's not good for our society to encourage people to place their kids
00:32:02.840
in daycare, uh, to go out of our way to do that, uh, where they're going to place the kids in daycare
00:32:08.000
all day while their children are being deprived of that, you know, uh, um, you know, access to their
00:32:13.660
parents and that stable family environment. So this piece that he wrote, I forget what publication it
00:32:19.340
was in is a defense of the nuclear family basically. And, um, an attack against materialism and a lot of
00:32:26.680
new age values. It's maybe the sanest thing Joe Biden has ever said or wrote, but in the primaries
00:32:35.240
in 2020, if you're a Dem being sane or formally sane, at least is embarrassing. So they tried to
00:32:40.260
attack him for it. It didn't work. And obviously he won the primaries. Now, now Ivanka, for some
00:32:47.120
reason, randomly has resurrected this line of attack, which already failed in the Dem primaries. And
00:32:53.940
she's hoping to bring it over to the general. Here's Ivanka's tweet. She says, I couldn't agree
00:32:58.320
more with Senator Gillibrand and Senator Schumer and spokeswoman and advisor Meredith. Uh, uh, Joe
00:33:04.660
Biden should explain to America how a mom working leads to the deterioration of the family. Biden in
00:33:12.200
his own words below, and then she links to the, to the article. Now this represents an attack on Biden
00:33:19.860
by the Trump team from the left. It's an attack actually from the far left. They're attacking him
00:33:28.320
for once defending the nuclear family and pointing out that it's not a positive thing for society to
00:33:34.560
shift, uh, so completely to a scenario where, where, you know, all, almost every kid in America
00:33:40.960
is in someone else's care during the day, rather than they're in the care of their mother.
00:33:46.340
That's, that's, that's, that's not a positive societal development. And there are going to be
00:33:50.380
some real ramifications to that. Joe Biden was right about that. Of course, this is a far left
00:33:57.120
attack from Ivanka Trump, a member of the Trump administration. And I know you might say, well,
00:34:03.520
well, yes, but, um, for leftist voters, this could be effective. And so that's why she's bringing it up.
00:34:09.120
No, it wasn't even effective in the Democrat primary. If an attack from the left didn't work
00:34:17.280
in the Democrat primary, it's not going to work in the general. Why would it all of a sudden work
00:34:22.840
now when it didn't work before? Listen, far leftists and regular leftists, if they exist anymore,
00:34:30.680
and moderate leftists, anyone who's even slightly leftist, none of them are voting for Trump. I hate
00:34:37.560
to tell you, they hate his guts. They want him gone. They want him in jail. They hate him.
00:34:46.400
You, I, I, I, they, they have never hated anyone as much as they hate this man. I'm sure you've
00:34:52.440
noticed that by now. You aren't, um, you know, you're not winning them. If you're Trump, that's not
00:35:01.240
going to happen. Attacking Biden from the left to appeal to them is a fool's errand. What you need
00:35:07.580
to do is mobilize the right. And there are many people on the right who are completely demoralized
00:35:13.040
right now. And, uh, and you have to earn as many votes from the middle as you can, and from the
00:35:18.620
politically disinterested as you can. And to everybody in those groups, again, the only groups
00:35:24.560
you can post possibly hope to win this op-ed from Biden is perfectly reasonable and correct.
00:35:31.000
And any attack from the left against him will not work with the groups that you need to win.
00:35:36.040
And the only groups you can win. So I said, this is indicative of something that is the Trump's team
00:35:42.120
utter failure to come up with a coherent and consistent anti-Biden message. They have no idea
00:35:48.180
how to label this guy. The messaging is all over the place. It's schizophrenic. One minute,
00:35:53.440
he's sleepy Joe. The next minute he's a radical leftist agent of social destruction. Uh, the next
00:35:59.060
he's actually not leftist enough. See this, this doesn't work. This isn't how you do it. This is
00:36:06.080
terrible branding. It's impotent. It's incompetent. I'm just some idiot with a podcast. And I know this
00:36:13.260
Trump is supposed to be some sort of branding genius. The people around him should be professionals
00:36:18.660
at the top of the game. I mean, they've gotten to the highest level. How could they fail this utterly
00:36:24.540
with one of the most basic jobs in running a campaign? And that is the, is, is the job of
00:36:29.540
defining your opposition. This is supposed to be the thing that Trump is best at.
00:36:34.080
Now, let me tell you, sleepy Joe is a lane. That's not taking, it's not working. Nobody cares. It's
00:36:45.040
not resonating. I know if you're on the right, you might like it. You might say, no, sleepy Joe is
00:36:49.980
great. Okay, fine. But it doesn't, that doesn't, it doesn't matter if you like it. Forget sleepy Joe.
00:36:59.620
Okay. Um, nobody is going to be swayed on election day by the thought of Joe Biden being sleepy.
00:37:06.840
I just don't think that's not the kind of thing that mobilizes people that they get that excites
00:37:13.600
real passion. Uh, I got to vote for Trump because the other guy is sleepy. No, now crooked Hillary.
00:37:22.060
I got to vote for Trump because the other, the, the, the other candidate is crooked is corrupt is a,
00:37:26.480
is a criminal. Yes. Okay. That works. That will drive people to the polls.
00:37:33.440
No one's going to show up to the polls and, and, and, you know, there it's a, someone,
00:37:37.040
a pollster asked him, you know, why, why, why are you voting the way that you are? Well,
00:37:41.240
I'm just worried about how sleepy Joe Biden is. You know, I just don't want a sleepy guy in there.
00:37:45.220
In fact, if anything, the idea of having a sleepy few years after the unrelenting chaos and madness
00:37:51.080
we're currently experiencing seems kind of viscerally appealing. I think a lot of people will hear
00:37:55.500
that and say, that sounds great. You kidding me? I wouldn't mind having a little bit of sleepiness
00:37:59.160
right now. Um, a similar problem with the attacks related to Biden's son Hunter, the Hunter Biden
00:38:07.180
stuff is red meat for conservatives on social media, but nobody else cares, you know, and,
00:38:12.220
and in general, trying to take down a politician by attacking his family rarely, if ever works,
00:38:16.920
I can't even think of an example when it ever has worked, you know, some of the anti bill stuff
00:38:21.600
against Hillary was effective, but in the end she lost because she's Hillary. She lost on her own
00:38:25.680
accord and she was very, very easy to brand. Like I said, Trump didn't have to do very much.
00:38:30.500
Everybody already thought of Hillary as corrupt. And that was the message about her. It was an
00:38:35.420
effective message. It was consistent. It was easy. It worked fine. The other problem with the Hunter
00:38:40.680
Biden stuff is that it gives Biden a platform to talk about his family. And actually in talking about
00:38:46.240
his family, that's when he's the most compelling and relatable and heartfelt. Those are, those are
00:38:52.040
actually great moments for him when he starts talking about his family. There was that one
00:38:56.780
moment on the campaign when he was, uh, I think it was a pastor got up at a, at a town hall and asked
00:39:03.220
him about, you know, overcoming loss. And he started talking about his family. This was, this was a real
00:39:08.140
authentic, heartfelt, actually powerful moment. And I, I'm saying that, okay, as one of the most cynical
00:39:14.700
bastards and one of the most anti-democrat bastards you ever meet, even I'm saying that
00:39:19.980
seemed like an authentic and powerful moment, it's just to open the door for that. When you're
00:39:24.980
the opposition is politically suicidal. Um, what else trying to make Biden into a far leftist?
00:39:32.300
That's no good either. It's not convincing. Nobody believes it. Nobody sees Biden that way
00:39:37.220
or will see him that way. It just doesn't work. He's too much of a known entity at this point.
00:39:41.080
And he's been in politics for 700 years. Uh, everybody sees him as a moderate and, uh, and
00:39:47.000
you know, I don't think he really is a moderate, at least not anymore, but that doesn't matter.
00:39:50.780
What matters is how he's seen and whether you as the opponent can plausibly make people see him
00:39:57.660
another way. Trying to make people see Biden as a far left Marxist probably isn't plausible at this
00:40:04.760
point, especially when the Trump team has attacked Biden from the left repeatedly and is still doing it.
00:40:11.080
So what's left? The other option obviously is to define Biden as a senile old man, which he is,
00:40:19.280
who will be used by the far left. Um, you know, he might not be himself, but he'll be used by the
00:40:24.760
far left to enact their agenda, which he will be. So this has the advantage of being a, you know,
00:40:31.920
a branding option and a line of attack. That's, that's true. That's real. Um, but you know,
00:40:39.780
it's also a little bit tricky to pull off and it's risky. Um, it's probably the best tact.
00:40:48.200
It's the reality, but it requires some wit and some prudence to pull off successfully and wit and
00:40:54.060
prudence aren't exactly the hallmarks of the Trump campaign. I'm afraid to say, um, an example of the
00:41:00.080
pitfalls here. Okay. The senile stuff. Remember that old people vote. They vote more than any
00:41:07.360
other demo. You can't win without the old people. There's a reason why we still have the social
00:41:12.200
security system intact the way it is, even though it's a total disaster. It's not going to be around
00:41:16.420
for my generation. Everybody knows it. Uh, it's bankrupting the country. It's still around because
00:41:20.700
you just, you couldn't possibly as a candidate actually propose getting rid of it. Uh, the old
00:41:26.760
people won't vote for you and you're finished. So they're going to get what they want. If you come
00:41:31.560
off like you're attacking the elderly or you're suggesting that older folks are incompetent or that
00:41:38.520
they have no business leading and should just go sit in the rocking chairs until death. If you do that,
00:41:43.820
you risk making Biden sympathetic and, uh, and making older voters angry at you and having them go to
00:41:51.480
Biden out of sympathy and spite sympathy to him and spite to you. That's a very real risk here.
00:41:58.340
I don't, I don't hear enough people on the right and in the Trump campaign, you know, like acknowledging
00:42:01.800
this, you got to be careful with that. I'm not saying you don't, you don't attack on this level.
00:42:08.040
I think you do. And again, it's true anyway. And it really matters. The fact that we might have a guy
00:42:12.040
who's going senile in office, he'd be 79 years old. Um, by the, if he makes it through his first term,
00:42:20.480
which is a, which is a big, if as it is, he'll be, he'll be 83 years old at the end of his first
00:42:24.800
term. This, this is, I've said before, it's your chances of, of at over the age of 80, your chance
00:42:30.660
of go of, of developing dementia is like 20% already. And that's if you go, go into your 80s
00:42:36.480
without it. So that, you know, that is a, uh, a very real thing. And I think it could be effective,
00:42:45.680
but you have to be smart and consistent in your approach. And the Trump camp has been neither of
00:42:50.420
those things at all. As for being a Trojan horse for the far left. Yes, again, effective and true.
00:42:56.760
But if you're going to go the Trojan horse route, once more consistency is key. Let me show you how
00:43:02.180
inconsistent again, the Trump camp has been. Laura Trump, another Trump kid who works for the campaign
00:43:08.460
because Donald Trump is basically trying to corner the market on nepotism. Um, Laura Trump was
00:43:14.020
interviewed by Breitbart yesterday. And let me just read, uh, let me just read one thing. She's
00:43:23.020
talking about, okay, how, you know, what, what, um, is on a Breitbart podcast and she was talking
00:43:27.820
about, or their Sirium, Sirius XM radio show. She was talking about the need to, what I'm saying right
00:43:33.340
now, we got to, you know, is it the Trump campaign has to define Biden. This is what you have to do on a
00:43:37.860
campaign. Uh, and here's what she says, defining our opponent and talking about who Joe Biden is
00:43:44.340
includes talking about his cozy past with communist China talking about, and talking about the fact
00:43:49.480
that he supported the Clinton crime bill, which disproportionately incarcerated young black men in
00:43:54.140
this country. Um, now here's the problem. This, this article begins by saying that Laura Trump was
00:44:03.700
saying we have to define former vice president Joe Biden as in league with the far left socialist
00:44:08.320
Marxist Democrats. Okay. So she wants to define him as in league with the far left, but also define
00:44:15.720
him as someone who supported a, a, a crime bill that was a little bit, that was too harsh. And that was
00:44:21.160
even racist. You see the problem here? She's trying to paint him as far left, but then also tries to
00:44:28.380
make him a racist who locks up black men and is too harsh on crime. No, no, choose a lane. You can't
00:44:36.060
do both. You can't straddle both lanes here. Moderate Americans and right-leaning Americans aren't going
00:44:41.420
to be mad at Joe for supporting a crime bill. That's the last thing they're going to be mad about right
00:44:47.940
now. If you're trying to beat him by painting him as in league with the far left, then do that.
00:44:55.200
But don't throw in little asides undermining your own damned point, you idiots.
00:45:03.820
And no, this is not a kind of thing where you just throw it again. You know, you might as well
00:45:06.480
just say everything and people get like a grab bag of attacks and, uh, whatever people like,
00:45:11.300
they can grab out and, and, you know, whatever, whatever attack resonates with an individual,
00:45:15.400
they can just go with that. It doesn't work that way. That's not how branding works.
00:45:20.280
We look at, look at products that are, you know, commercials for products. They don't,
00:45:23.820
they don't, they don't, no, no one tries to, no competent marketing department tries to sell a
00:45:27.560
product by giving you 50 different things that you could think about this product. Some of them
00:45:33.420
contradictory and then saying, whatever, you know, whatever, whatever works for you. Just think of
00:45:36.880
the product that way. No, you give like one thing. Here's your message about this product, buy it.
00:45:43.500
Well, with Donald, with Joe Biden, if you're Donald Trump, it's, it's anti-marketing. It's,
00:45:47.480
here's the message about this product. Don't buy it.
00:45:53.260
So that's why the Trump campaign is canceled. Um, until they figure out how to actually,
00:45:58.140
you know, campaign. And I'm also canceling all of the sycophants and yes men, uh, including just
00:46:08.580
random people on social media who are going to, you know, just, just will not tell Trump he's wrong
00:46:13.840
about anything. And we'll just cheer as, as the campaign goes over a cliff. I'm canceling you
00:46:19.860
guys too. And, uh, all right, we'll leave it there on that note. Very positive note to end on.
00:46:27.500
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00:46:29.700
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