The Matt Walsh Show - June 26, 2018


Ep. 54 - We Shouldn't Be Ashamed Of Our History


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Ben Shapiro uses a report published in Science Magazine to prove that the Aztecs were no better than any other civilization in terms of their human sacrifice practices, and that they were even worse than the Spanish and the French.

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00:00:00.000 If you were watching the show yesterday, you know that I started the show by kind of bragging a little bit about my globe here.
00:00:08.720 And for good reason, because a globe, when you add a globe into the situation, it immediately makes everything classier and more professional and more intelligent.
00:00:18.560 So even though I don't have a real studio or a real set, I do have the globe.
00:00:23.920 And the point that I made was, well, yeah, the other guys at the Daily Wire, they've got a studio, they've got a set.
00:00:28.760 They don't have a globe, though, do they?
00:00:31.680 So who really has the most professional show at the Daily Wire?
00:00:35.240 That was my argument anyway.
00:00:37.800 But after the show, a lot of people informed me that actually, Clavin does have a globe on his set.
00:00:43.940 I never noticed it before, but I went back and I watched.
00:00:47.300 And yeah, there is kind of off in the corner.
00:00:49.160 It's not displayed prominently like my globe, but he does have a globe.
00:00:53.080 So this is what I'm going to do.
00:00:54.380 I didn't want to have to do this, but I'm going to add a second globe.
00:00:59.840 And so now I have the most globes, both in terms of globe quantity and also total globage volume.
00:01:07.100 And if it's really necessary for me to pull out the big guns and I and I'm kind of hesitant here because I don't mean to show off.
00:01:14.920 But if I really need to, I also have this and I could do the entire show with this globe as well.
00:01:21.820 And what would look more professional or more intelligent than that?
00:01:25.200 OK, but I won't.
00:01:27.120 I won't yet unless it's really necessary.
00:01:30.520 Now, these globes are kind of relevant to what I want to talk about.
00:01:33.000 And before I get into the real subject, in all seriousness, I should add a little bit of a parental disclaimer, parental advisory.
00:01:39.860 If you're watching this or listening to this and you have little kids around, you may want to pause it and come back to it because we're going to talk about some things that are a bit graphic and upsetting,
00:01:48.140 but also necessary in order for me to make the point that I want to make.
00:01:51.500 So Ben Shapiro wrote a piece yesterday for The Daily Wire, taking note of a report which was published in Science Magazine.
00:01:59.680 And the report yet again reveals the unbelievable scale of human sacrifice and barbarity among the ancient Aztecs. 0.97
00:02:10.400 And Shapiro was using this to make the point that we tend to romanticize foreign cultures, especially Native American cultures.
00:02:18.980 And in the process, when we're romanticizing them, we kind of tend to ignore just the sheer savagery that was and in some cases still is so common in certain cultures.
00:02:31.840 What Shapiro was really the point he was really making is that this kind of cultural equivalency that we do, where we say, well, all cultures are equal.
00:02:40.900 You can't judge any cultures.
00:02:43.000 No culture is better than any other culture. 0.90
00:02:45.100 That is clearly not the case, as evidenced by the human sacrifices among the Aztecs.
00:02:51.840 The Spanish culture, the Spanish who conquered the Aztecs, their culture and their civilization was clearly better than the Aztec culture. 0.99
00:03:03.040 And this is me talking now, not Ben.
00:03:05.460 The Spanish culture was superior in every way. 1.00
00:03:08.440 Now, when I say superior, that is not a racial designation.
00:03:11.040 It's got nothing to do with race.
00:03:12.520 It's superior because it was superior in terms of its scientific achievements, its artistic achievements, even its philosophical and political achievements.
00:03:21.400 Yeah, the Aztecs had big cities and they had big temples that they built.
00:03:26.160 They even had some artwork, although their art was largely hideous and grotesque and terrifying.
00:03:32.360 But they had all that stuff.
00:03:33.580 But they had not advanced anywhere near as far as the Europeans had.
00:03:37.820 But when I say that the Spanish civilization was a superior civilization, I mean primarily morally. 0.98
00:03:44.800 It was a morally superior civilization.
00:03:48.060 The Spanish weren't perfect by any means.
00:03:50.820 And they did practice some, they practiced slavery.
00:03:53.940 But then again, every single civilization in the world in 16th century practiced slavery.
00:03:58.040 So that's not much of a surprise.
00:03:59.960 None of that compares to the Aztecs, though.
00:04:01.900 The Aztecs would build these great temples where ritual human sacrifices would occur with a brutality and in a volume that is just incomprehensible.
00:04:15.300 Some historians estimate that the Aztecs sacrificed up to 50,000 human beings a year.
00:04:22.180 Keep in mind, there were only about 4 or 5 million people living in Aztec territory.
00:04:26.320 So that means that they would have sacrificed about 1% of their total population on an annual basis.
00:04:33.340 That is an astronomical figure.
00:04:35.820 And when I say sacrifice, we should understand what that means.
00:04:38.640 What it means is that they would take the offering up to the top of a pyramid.
00:04:44.600 They would put them down on a slab.
00:04:46.700 A priest would plunge a knife into the chest of the person and cut a big hole, reach his hand in.
00:04:53.960 And while the person is still alive, rip out his beating heart.
00:04:58.220 And then they would cut off his head and his limbs.
00:04:59.980 His torso would be rolled down the steps.
00:05:02.440 And then his limbs would oftentimes be ritualistically consumed by the other Aztec priests.
00:05:09.740 There was a period of about four days when the Aztecs were coronating a new temple that they had just built,
00:05:15.000 where they carried out this process with 80,000 people in four days.
00:05:20.860 They sacrificed 80,000 people in four days.
00:05:24.480 And they would furnish themselves with sacrifices, mainly by conquering and subjugating neighboring tribes. 0.60
00:05:31.140 So when you hear about how the Europeans showed up and they stole land and they did all this, 0.99
00:05:36.020 well, the Aztecs, like many other Indian civilizations, the land that they possess, they had themselves stolen it.
00:05:43.500 And when the Aztecs stole your land, they didn't just steal your land. 0.73
00:05:47.220 They would then start taking your people and bringing them to the top of a temple and ripping out their hearts. 0.95
00:05:52.100 That's what the Aztecs would do.
00:05:53.740 In fact, if you're curious about how the—and that's how Aztecs treated their own people and other Indians.
00:06:02.660 If you're curious about how the Aztecs treated the Spanish, here is a—I'll just briefly read a passage.
00:06:08.960 This is a book called Cortez about the clash of civilizations between the Spanish and the Aztecs by Richard Lee Marx.
00:06:14.960 It's a great book. I recommend reading it.
00:06:16.460 And it's non-biased. It's a very objective book.
00:06:19.200 But here's just a quick passage.
00:06:20.920 So this is later on in the book, after this—after the fighting had begun between the Spanish and the Aztecs.
00:06:27.800 Up until this point, the Spanish had been relatively merciful toward the Aztecs.
00:06:33.180 But then some Spanish were caught by the Aztecs.
00:06:37.120 They were prisoners of war.
00:06:38.840 And while the other Spanish soldiers stood off at a far distance, a few miles away, watching this,
00:06:46.020 this is what happened to the Spanish prisoners.
00:06:50.920 They were all taken. They were stripped naked.
00:06:53.600 They were brought to the pyramid, to the temple.
00:06:56.200 They were brought up the steps.
00:06:57.520 They were forced to dance naked in front of the demonic idols of the Aztecs.
00:07:04.320 And then here's what happened.
00:07:05.580 After an hour—this is an hour of dancing, of these prisoners dancing naked.
00:07:12.040 After an hour, a high priest signaled, and the dancing was terminated,
00:07:16.100 though the beating of the drum and the jangling of the bells and tambourines continued.
00:07:19.300 Aztec priests rushed forward and took back from the dancers their headdresses and plumes.
00:07:26.060 Then the first victim was pulled to the sacrifice stone, thrown down on his back, and held spread eagle.
00:07:32.840 The high priest came forward, held above his head the flint knife, and drove it into the victim's chest.
00:07:38.260 He then cut across the ribs and, plunging his hand into the chest cavity, tore loose the beating heart.
00:07:44.300 The priest held aloft the Spaniard's heart, which, with its few final spasms, gushed blood that fell on the priest's face,
00:07:51.940 while a din of shrieking rose from the other people, the other Indians who were watching this.
00:07:56.900 The other priests took the heart into the temple, placed it before the idols,
00:08:00.760 while others systematically cut off the victim's head, arms, and legs,
00:08:04.360 and disdainfully rolled the split-open torso to the top of the steps with a few kicks, sent it downward. 0.91
00:08:10.100 And then this was repeated for all the victims.
00:08:12.880 Now, as I said, up until that point, the Spanish had been relatively merciful towards the Aztecs,
00:08:16.820 but now they're watching this take place.
00:08:20.100 And this, again, this is just barbarity and savagery that the Europeans had never encountered before.
00:08:27.800 They couldn't even conceive of it.
00:08:29.540 And they're watching this happening, and now their policy of being relatively merciful,
00:08:35.880 well, that was out the window, and I think understandably so.
00:08:39.380 They realized that, okay, if we're going to beat these people, we're going to have to be pretty brutal about it.
00:08:44.900 Now, the significance of this report in Science Magazine, which cites new archaeological evidence,
00:08:51.520 is that it corroborates the testimony from the Spanish themselves.
00:08:56.020 The Spanish told stories of finding these temples stacked with human skulls,
00:09:01.240 like thousands of human skulls that had been stacked and were being displayed like trophies.
00:09:07.660 And no one's ever doubted that these sacrifices took place.
00:09:10.840 That's a matter of historical record.
00:09:13.180 But some, for a long time, have tried to argue that the Spanish exaggerated the scale of it.
00:09:18.920 Well, we now have the remains of these giant skull racks.
00:09:24.000 And so it's pretty clear that the Spanish did not exaggerate.
00:09:28.560 I think we can glean two important things from all this.
00:09:33.380 Number one, it's what Ben argued is correct, that not all cultures are equal. 1.00
00:09:38.140 The Aztecs were clearly a more brutal, more savage, more, frankly, evil culture. 0.87
00:09:45.460 And if it was a white civilization doing this, if it was a white civilization enslaving thousands of people 0.86
00:09:52.100 and ripping their hearts out and eating them, everybody would agree that that's a country that needs to be invaded, 0.99
00:10:00.300 and the ruling forces need to be toppled aggressively.
00:10:05.160 But in this case, we kind of see it as some kind of travesty that this brutal regime was toppled just because of the racial dynamics at play.
00:10:13.980 And by the way, when Cortes launched his final siege of the capital city, what is now Mexico City,
00:10:22.100 it's true that ultimately the entire city was destroyed and almost every inhabitant was slaughtered.
00:10:27.480 But most of the wholesale slaughter did not happen on the part of the Spanish.
00:10:31.440 It was on the part of the Indian allies of the Spanish who had been oppressed for years by the Aztecs,
00:10:38.160 and so they wanted vengeance.
00:10:41.540 And so the other Indians went in with the Spanish, and they started pulling men, women, and children out of their homes
00:10:49.300 and just slaughtering them in the streets.
00:10:51.560 But here's the second thing that we can glean from all this.
00:10:54.740 It's okay for us in the West to admire and honor the great men who built our civilization.
00:11:03.200 Men like Cortes, for instance.
00:11:07.040 They were flawed.
00:11:08.480 You know, they certainly were flawed.
00:11:10.260 And Europeans were guilty of atrocities of their own. 0.53
00:11:13.280 But nobody tells Native Americans that they can't be proud of their heritage.
00:11:19.760 Nobody tells them that.
00:11:22.280 Even though in the case of the Aztecs and many other Indian civilizations,
00:11:25.620 they were guilty of just barbaric atrocities.
00:11:28.740 But no one tells Native Americans you can't be proud of your past,
00:11:33.720 and you can't have your own heroes that you look to.
00:11:36.980 By the way, the Mayans also practiced human sacrifice.
00:11:40.800 In fact, archaeologists recently uncovered in Mayan territory a mass grave of toddlers who had been sacrificed.
00:11:48.640 The Incas down in South America around the same time, they were also avid human sacrifices. 0.99
00:11:53.980 They would take children, fatten them up, lead them to the top of a mountain,
00:11:59.100 and then strangle them to death or leave them there to die of exposure in the cold.
00:12:03.140 And the Mayans, Incas, Aztecs, these were the three major Indian civilizations throughout Central and South America.
00:12:08.680 All of them were unspeakably brutal.
00:12:11.680 Yet we don't indict them for it.
00:12:14.040 And we don't say that those who have that heritage shouldn't be proud of it.
00:12:18.060 But this is how it goes.
00:12:19.240 Because every non-Western, non-white country is allowed to celebrate its history, 1.00
00:12:25.500 allowed to celebrate its heritage.
00:12:27.720 They're allowed to celebrate the great men and women who helped build their civilizations,
00:12:32.480 even if those men and women are guilty of terrible things,
00:12:35.160 and even if they also stole land and enslaved and did all those things.
00:12:40.520 I mean, you could go to Mongolia and find monuments to Genghis Khan.
00:12:45.880 Genghis Khan raped half the women in Asia.
00:12:49.800 I mean, Genghis Khan just went throughout Asia enslaving, conquering, and raping. 0.84
00:12:54.420 That was his entire career.
00:12:56.180 Yet they build monuments to him.
00:12:57.720 And nobody would ever even dream of telling a Mongolian that you shouldn't look up to Genghis Khan,
00:13:03.020 even though Genghis Khan was a horrible person.
00:13:06.760 Yet, in the West, we're supposed to hold our heroes and our pioneers to this impossibly high standard.
00:13:17.960 And if they committed any crime, if they were guilty of any sin,
00:13:23.220 even if it was a sin utterly common to their time and shared by almost everyone of all races, like slavery,
00:13:30.760 well, in that case, we're supposed to tear down their monuments and spit on their graves.
00:13:35.820 That's only in the West.
00:13:38.300 We don't expect anyone else to do that.
00:13:40.740 It's only in our civilization, in our culture, that we're required to do that.
00:13:46.420 Take Columbus as another example.
00:13:48.640 Columbus.
00:13:49.980 You know, our treatment of Columbus in modern times is just disgraceful and utterly stupid.
00:13:57.000 Columbus was a great man, a great, great man, who achieved something spectacular,
00:14:04.680 achieved something earth-shattering, world-changing.
00:14:08.080 He achieved something far more significant than anything you will ever in your life achieve, or me.
00:14:14.160 We'll never even come close to doing what Columbus did.
00:14:17.520 And yet now we treat him with, like, contempt.
00:14:20.640 And we focus only, oh, this is the bad thing that he did.
00:14:23.520 Look at these bad things.
00:14:24.780 At dumbest of all, people will go, you know, this is the stupidest thing,
00:14:29.080 when people say, well, Columbus didn't even mean to discover America.
00:14:34.000 And he never set foot on North America.
00:14:36.120 And the Vikings got there first.
00:14:38.080 What an idiot Columbus was.
00:14:39.840 He didn't even mean to.
00:14:41.600 Yeah, those are nice little tidbits of information that you acquired from Facebook memes.
00:14:46.580 But they're not relevant to anything.
00:14:49.100 Of course Columbus didn't mean to discover America.
00:14:52.000 Nobody knew that America existed.
00:14:53.620 How could they?
00:14:55.420 No one knew it was there.
00:14:56.620 No one had seen it.
00:14:58.300 And if, that's if the Vikings did stumble upon Newfoundland at some point centuries prior,
00:15:04.960 they didn't establish a lasting colony.
00:15:07.000 They didn't continue their exploration.
00:15:09.140 They didn't understand the significance of their discovery or leave clear records of it.
00:15:13.620 So as far as Europe knew in 1492, the world consisted of one giant landmass and a huge ocean in between, you know, separating one side from the other.
00:15:24.560 That's as far as anyone knew.
00:15:26.240 How could anyone know differently?
00:15:27.840 Somebody, somebody had to get in a ship and sail across this unknown body of water to find out what was on the other side.
00:15:40.360 Because, you know, it's not like anybody out west was going to get in a ship and go that way.
00:15:45.080 The Aztecs and the Mayans and the Incas, they weren't getting in ships and exploring anything.
00:15:51.440 So Columbus had to be the guy.
00:15:54.320 He didn't have satellites, okay?
00:15:56.780 Columbus navigated mostly with dead reckoning through completely uncharted waters.
00:16:03.780 He covered like 5,000 miles of uncharted ocean with nothing but dead reckoning.
00:16:13.300 You know what dead reckoning is?
00:16:15.380 That's like you figure out your last fixed point, so the last port where you were at,
00:16:22.260 and you figure out based on mathematical calculations, and you come up with kind of an estimate of where you're headed.
00:16:31.120 But part of that calculation, you know what you need for that calculation?
00:16:35.120 You need to know how fast you're going.
00:16:37.400 Well, in 1492, how do you figure out how fast your ship is going?
00:16:41.740 Again, you don't have GPS.
00:16:43.940 So you know what they had to do?
00:16:45.460 They called it heaving the log.
00:16:48.280 Okay, this is how they would, for us, we just check the speedometer, but for them it was heaving the log.
00:16:55.240 And so that literally meant that they would take a piece of wood and they would throw it into the water,
00:17:01.120 and then just judge based on how long it, you know, how long it takes for the wood to drift away from them.
00:17:07.280 They would, from there, they'd extrapolate their speed.
00:17:10.480 And then they would factor that in with the last fixed point and the other calculations,
00:17:14.820 and then they would figure out where they were going.
00:17:19.360 So using that method across unknown waters, Columbus managed to make it to the Caribbean
00:17:26.980 and then make it back there three more times.
00:17:30.260 You want to try that?
00:17:31.920 Okay, start in Spain with nothing but a compass and a piece of wood,
00:17:37.140 get into a ship, and make your way to Cuba.
00:17:39.900 You think you can do it?
00:17:41.700 Alive?
00:17:42.880 I think that's quite an achievement, you know?
00:17:45.040 And you'd think that a bunch of people in modern society who can't even locate their local supermarket
00:17:51.800 two and a half miles away without GPS, you'd think we'd be pretty impressed with Columbus.
00:17:58.860 Like, in order for you, if you wanted to go 10 miles down the road on a highway,
00:18:05.580 you're going to be using your GPS, which is connected to a network of satellites in space.
00:18:10.160 I mean, you need a network of satellites in space communicating with your phone at the speed of light
00:18:17.040 just to make it, you know, 50 blocks down the street.
00:18:21.460 So yeah, I think we should be pretty impressed with Columbus and the other explorers.
00:18:26.000 And what about the Indians that Columbus encountered?
00:18:30.140 Yeah, some of them were peaceful, but we've taken this image of the peaceful Indians to ridiculous lengths.
00:18:35.580 I mean, bear in mind, there was a tribe called the Caribs, and they reigned terror on the region where Columbus landed. 1.00
00:18:43.420 These were brutal and violent people who regularly feasted on human beings.
00:18:49.400 This, again, is a concept utterly foreign to Europeans, the idea of eating other people.
00:18:56.260 And this was not uncommon among Indian tribes.
00:19:00.020 Now, on his first voyage, Columbus never encountered any Caribs, but he heard about them.
00:19:06.560 And then he encountered them on his second voyage.
00:19:09.300 Here's something they don't teach you in school.
00:19:11.980 Columbus actually tried to free, actually did free, a number of Indian captives that the Caribs were preparing to eat. 1.00
00:19:20.280 So in one village on an island where Columbus had stopped, the Spaniards, they found a young boy tied up in a cage, and he was being fattened for consumption.
00:19:34.300 And so when Columbus encountered stuff like that, he would oftentimes free the people.
00:19:39.280 So, you know, Columbus, he never governed with the savagery of an Aztec king or even a Carib chieftain, but he was a pretty bad governor in his own right, and he did take slaves.
00:19:53.440 He was a man of his time in that way, and he was a pretty incompetent governor.
00:19:58.020 But we have to keep in mind, back in those days, if you were an explorer and a sea captain, you were expected to be, I mean, you had to be a navigator, a captain, an astronomer, a mathematician.
00:20:14.000 And then when you made it to your destination, you also had to be a politician and a governor and a king.
00:20:19.080 I mean, you had to be all of those things.
00:20:21.260 And very few of those men could do all of those things perfectly.
00:20:24.980 I don't think any man in the world could.
00:20:28.540 So I think all in all, it should be said that Columbus was brilliant on the sea, not so brilliant on land.
00:20:38.240 It's kind of a common dynamic.
00:20:40.240 Cortez was a great warrior when he conquered the Aztecs.
00:20:43.900 He wasn't a very good governor afterwards.
00:20:46.660 Magellan was an incredible navigator who sailed the circumference of the globe, almost.
00:20:52.200 But he got himself killed in an unnecessary battle with a tribe in the Philippines.
00:20:57.120 So, you know, he also had his flaws.
00:20:59.820 And Magellan, you know, Magellan's another guy that we now look to and we judge for his ruthlessness.
00:21:06.960 But you think about what he was up against.
00:21:09.440 He was looking for a passage so that he could sail all the way around the globe in the 1500s.
00:21:16.660 Again, without GPS, without anything.
00:21:20.240 And along the way, he had to deal with, you know, with hostile tribes that he encountered.
00:21:24.700 He had to deal with starvation.
00:21:26.540 He had to deal with disease.
00:21:28.020 He had to deal with mutinies.
00:21:30.120 And so, yeah, he was a little bit brutal.
00:21:32.340 In fact, when he made it to South America and they decided to kind of camp out in a harbor for winter, there was a mutiny took place.
00:21:43.520 And now, I mean, just think about Magellan.
00:21:46.460 He's got his ships.
00:21:48.960 He's on the other side of the world.
00:21:50.440 He's in this unknown wilderness.
00:21:52.740 He's thousands of miles away from any kind of authority.
00:21:58.560 And now he's got a mutiny on his hands.
00:22:01.300 So what does he do?
00:22:02.600 He brutally squashes the mutiny.
00:22:05.380 And he takes one of the mutineers as an example. 1.00
00:22:10.780 He has him executed.
00:22:12.820 And he quarters him, which means he cuts off his limbs.
00:22:16.360 And he puts his limbs on different parts of the ship as a warning to the others not to try that again.
00:22:23.520 Now, we can look at that and we can say, oh, that's just very bad.
00:22:29.420 You see, this is not a man that we can look up to or admire.
00:22:34.360 Well, again, let me ask you, how do you handle that?
00:22:38.500 You're thousands of miles away from any kind of help.
00:22:41.660 You're on this expedition.
00:22:43.500 Now you've got a mutiny on your hands.
00:22:45.140 And all your men are ganging up to take over the ship and kill you.
00:22:49.580 I mean, what do you do?
00:22:50.600 How do you handle that?
00:22:51.420 So I think ultimately what we're left with, with, you know, a lot of our cultural heroes,
00:22:57.800 we're left with this legacy of flawed men who are also responsible for some of the greatest achievements in the history of mankind.
00:23:07.980 And maybe you can look at them and say, well, I could have done that better.
00:23:12.360 I guarantee that you couldn't, but you could say that.
00:23:15.560 I know that I couldn't have done it any better.
00:23:17.280 But the real fact of the matter is, you wouldn't have even tried.
00:23:23.260 You would not have gotten into a ship and said, all right, I'm going to sail that way across this body of water.
00:23:30.480 And I have no idea what's on the other side of it, or if there even is anything on the other side of it.
00:23:36.480 You wouldn't have gotten into a ship and said, you wouldn't have even done that.
00:23:40.120 That takes courage.
00:23:42.660 I mean, that takes boldness.
00:23:44.940 That requires a visionary.
00:23:47.780 That requires a truly great man to do something like that.
00:23:52.440 And the only reason why we exist today, the only reason why our civilization exists is that great men took great risks and did great things.
00:24:07.080 And yeah, I think we ought to look up to them and admire them and build statues to them and tell our children about them and honor them.
00:24:16.940 And I think it's a huge mistake when we start apologizing for and erasing our own history.
00:24:28.620 And it's also just a disgraceful way to treat these men who gave you everything.
00:24:34.860 I mean, the people that complain about Columbus, you're just sitting back on your butt, on the sofa, eating a snack, watching TV, living off the fat of the land, living off of this civilization that wouldn't have existed without men like Columbus.
00:24:52.380 And you're just sitting there like, yeah, but you know what?
00:24:54.180 He did this and that wrong.
00:24:56.080 So, yeah, you know what?
00:24:57.080 I don't need that guy.
00:24:57.820 There's a very good chance, you know, that if the Europeans had never come to the New World, they would still be ripping, you'd still have the Aztecs ripping out hearts. 1.00
00:25:09.180 And you'd still have the Incas killing children as sacrifices to their gods. 1.00
00:25:13.620 I mean, there's a very good chance that that would still be happening if the Europeans hadn't shown up. 1.00
00:25:19.460 All right.
00:25:20.260 Just going to move my globe there so you can see both of them.
00:25:23.580 Thanks for watching, everybody.
00:25:24.600 Thanks for listening.
00:25:25.160 Godspeed.