The Matt Walsh Show - August 13, 2020


Ep. 542 - Attacker In Macy's Assault May Only Get Probation


Episode Stats

Length

37 minutes

Words per Minute

186.0515

Word Count

6,936

Sentence Count

492

Misogynist Sentences

23

Hate Speech Sentences

23


Summary

Today on the Matt Walsh Show, there is an update to the story of the Black man who assaulted a white Macy's employee, and it's outrageous. Also, a cancer-stricken 2-year-old who was stranded at a cancer center while it was being attacked by rioters in Chicago, and feminists who claim that, you know, normal human interactions are sexist micro-aggressions.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Today on the Matt Wall Show, there is an update to the story of the black man who assaulted a
00:00:04.220 white Macy's employee, and it's outrageous, so stick around for that. Also, five headlines,
00:00:08.920 including the cancer-stricken two-year-old who was stranded at a cancer center while it was
00:00:14.160 being attacked by rioters in Chicago. And in our daily cancellation, we'll talk about the feminists
00:00:18.500 who claim that, you know, normal human interactions are sexist microaggressions. So we've got to
00:00:24.460 discuss that. All of that on the way, and more. There's actually a lot to cover today, so bear
00:00:28.240 with me. But we'll start with this. If you are in the unfortunate habit of relying on the national
00:00:35.260 media for your news and information, you probably didn't hear about the brutal assault of a white
00:00:40.700 Macy's employee by a black man in June. The attack happened at the Genesee Valley Mall in Michigan on
00:00:46.140 June 15th. Here it is, if you haven't seen it. Watch this.
00:00:49.380 The assailant there is an 18-year-old man named Demir Palmer. His brother filmed the attack,
00:01:14.060 reported it to the media, which happily ran with the story, uncritical as always,
00:01:19.340 reported that the employee had used a racial slur. At the time, the brother, an alleged rapper
00:01:25.780 who goes by the name F.T. Quay, said that they were innocently shopping for a new shirt when the
00:01:31.220 employee, in full hearing of the two brothers, referred to them using the N-word. This is what
00:01:37.260 the brother told the New York Post. Quoting now from him, he said,
00:01:39.660 I just want people to know the real story of what really happened and what's in the description of
00:01:44.820 me and my brother just walking into Macy's, just minding our own business. And yes, we made a petty
00:01:49.720 joke and asked the guy, was the shirt too little? When he could have asked me, he was just being
00:01:55.820 funny. And just the fact of the remark that he said that we all heard, and just what else were we
00:02:01.220 supposed to do in this age and time? He didn't know what else to do. That was just his instinct.
00:02:06.040 Of course, it shouldn't matter if the employee said a bad word or not. That would in no way
00:02:13.180 justify felony assault. But it was obvious to anybody with two brain cells rubbed together
00:02:18.360 that the story from the brothers was bogus. And I said as much right away, right after this
00:02:23.020 happened. I said, I guarantee you, the word was not actually said. And indeed, what do you know?
00:02:28.740 It was bogus. It was made up. It was a lie. He never said the N-word. But I'm getting ahead of
00:02:33.280 myself a little bit. We'll get back to that in a second. All right. Let's back up again.
00:02:37.660 Remember, this happened on June 15th. The local prosecutor, David Lighton, did not file charges
00:02:42.620 against Demir Palmer until June 26th. That's over 10 days later. It took 10 days to decide
00:02:48.160 that pummeling a man while he's crawling on the ground begging for mercy is, in fact, illegal.
00:02:53.840 Here's Lighton on June 26th announcing the charges. Listen to him.
00:02:57.740 He shook up and he's emotionally upset, as well as physically upset. But he's emotionally upset
00:03:04.980 to think that, you know, anybody would think he said the alleged vile, racial, provoking slur
00:03:12.260 because he says he didn't say it. And his history suggests he didn't say it. We're charging
00:03:18.520 Demir Canal Palmer with a count of assault with intent to do great bodily harm less than murder.
00:03:26.620 It's a felony assault charge punishable by up to 10 years in prison. This was an unprovoked attack.
00:03:35.800 The internal video for Macy's shows the suspect approaching from behind. The victim, the store
00:03:45.340 manager, appears unaware that he's even there. The suspect then sucker punches him from behind,
00:03:53.420 knocks him to the floor, continues to punch him while he's on the floor. There is no evidence
00:04:00.020 of provocation whatsoever. Even if there were verbal provocation, which we have no evidence of,
00:04:10.520 violent retaliation is not permitted by the law.
00:04:14.180 Vile, racial, provoking slur. That's what Lighton is focused on.
00:04:19.320 You see how, in the context of announcing charges against a man who committed a barbarous assault
00:04:24.940 against another human, he feels the need to begin by denouncing a word that there's no reason to
00:04:29.960 think anyone even used. By the way, no charges were filed against the brother who filmed it.
00:04:36.020 Okay, so fast forward two months. That was about two months ago. Two months forward,
00:04:41.100 and the obvious has now been confirmed. The racial slur was not said. It was a lie. It was a hoax,
00:04:46.540 yet again. But Demir Palmer blames his brother. So no honor among thieves, or in this case,
00:04:52.560 among people who randomly assault retail employees. Palmer said that his brother told him the N-word
00:04:58.300 was used, and that's what led to the assault. Now, here's where we get to the inevitable and yet no
00:05:03.840 less outrageous part. Palmer's brother still has not been charged with any crime, and Palmer himself
00:05:10.020 is looking at quite possibly getting off with probation. Probation. And not only probation,
00:05:16.640 but he won't have a criminal record in this scenario. This will be expunged from his record,
00:05:21.840 like it never happened. Palmer pleaded guilty to assault with intent to do great bodily harm,
00:05:27.840 but the assistant prosecutor, Patrick McCombs, says that he'll be sentenced under something called
00:05:32.440 the Holmes Youthful Trainee Act. The Holmes Youthful Trainee Act. Now, I had to Google that,
00:05:40.360 and it took me to a website of Tannis and Schultz, Michigan-based lawyers. Here's what they tell
00:05:45.240 us about the Holmes Youthful Training Act. It says, the Holmes Youthful Trainee Act, more commonly known
00:05:51.320 as HYTA, provides individuals between the ages of 17 and 24 with a second chance. Under the act,
00:05:57.500 an individual charged with a crime may petition the court for status as a youthful trainee.
00:06:03.680 The Holmes Youthful Trainee Act states, if an individual pleads guilty to a criminal offense
00:06:07.400 committed on or after the individual's 17th birthday, but before his 24th birthday,
00:06:12.900 the court of record having jurisdiction of the criminal offense may, without entering a judgment
00:06:16.540 of conviction and with the consent of that individual, consider and assign that individual
00:06:22.680 to the status of youthful trainee. If the court grants the individual status under the Holmes
00:06:27.940 Youthful Trainee Act, he or she will be placed on a probationary term. If he or she successfully
00:06:32.320 completes the probationary term, the criminal conviction will not be entered into his or her
00:06:36.720 record. The court will dismiss all charges, and his or her criminal record will remain clean.
00:06:43.220 Okay. Dismiss all charges. That's where this is very likely headed. Official sentencing is not until
00:06:50.240 September. Technically, Palmer could still get 10 years in prison, and at the conclusion of that
00:06:54.480 sentence, then his record is wiped clean. But I think we all know that's not going to happen.
00:06:59.440 The sentence can be anything from probation to 10 years, and all signs are pointing to probation here,
00:07:05.720 or something much closer to that end of the spectrum. And then, clean slate, like magic,
00:07:09.840 like it never happened. Until it happens again. Which it will, because men who pummel other men for fun
00:07:15.940 don't just wake up one day as decent human beings. That doesn't happen. Except maybe in fairy tales.
00:07:22.640 Now, according to the ABC 12 report, a local affiliate in the town, much of the court,
00:07:29.440 the court hearing over this case, had to do with the issue of the phantom N-word,
00:07:33.640 and how upset that made poor Demir Palmer. Reading from the AP report, it says,
00:07:37.640 after pleading guilty to the 10-year felony against him, assault with intent to do great bodily harm,
00:07:43.840 less than murder, Palmer shared with the judge what led to the assault inside the Genesee Valley
00:07:49.520 Mall on June 15, 2020. And then, this is Palmer now. He says, I asked him a question about some
00:07:55.400 clothes, Palmer said. I asked him about the jacket type that I was about to get. Palmer said the man
00:07:59.700 answered him. They laughed, and then his brother told him the store manager had called him the N-word.
00:08:05.720 He admitted that he since learned his brother lied to him. Big shocker there.
00:08:09.520 Now, we continue. The assistant prosecutor questioning the brother says,
00:08:15.040 why would your brother do that? And he says, I wouldn't know. I honestly wouldn't. Palmer replied.
00:08:20.420 The assistant prosecutor, okay, now listen to this part. The assistant prosecutor
00:08:23.520 told Palmer he understands the anger that would fuel the assault, but he said the store manager
00:08:29.720 has asked that the charge does not stay with Palmer forever. Okay. He understands. He understands
00:08:36.280 how a person might be so mad about a bad word that he would beat another person senseless in the
00:08:41.360 middle of a Macy's. He understands. And yes, the victim in this case apparently has expressed his
00:08:47.000 consent to the lenient sentence, and that's the human shield that the prosecutors are hiding behind
00:08:51.940 here by saying, well, it's what the victim wants. But the fact that the victim who'd already been
00:08:56.700 attacked once didn't want to come out and demand a harsher sentence is completely irrelevant here.
00:09:02.060 We can think of many reasons why he might express that point of view, even if it's not how he really
00:09:07.660 feels. All right. So a lot needs to be covered here. First of all, once again, who gives the
00:09:14.580 slightest damn whether he said the bad word or not? It is in fact not understandable for an adult to
00:09:20.760 commit felony assault in response to a word. Not understandable at all. The implication from the
00:09:26.800 way this sentencing is working out is that felony assault is legal, or at least not very illegal,
00:09:32.100 if a black man even so much as believes a racial slur was said. I mean, what if the slur had been
00:09:37.700 said? What then? Would they have simply let him walk, no questions asked, not even probation?
00:09:43.220 Second, and I'm sounding like a broken record here, but we have another incident in this case that
00:09:48.360 if the races were reversed, would be headline news. The assailant will be looking at hard time behind
00:09:54.520 bars on federal charges, hate crime charges. Now, I don't think that the hate crime designation
00:10:00.180 should exist at all. I think the whole category as a matter of law is absurd. But if we're going to
00:10:05.300 have it, then it ought to be evenly applied. And this is a hate crime. In fact, Demir Palmer admits
00:10:11.580 as much. He told on himself in his excuse, he admits that it's racially motivated. Think about it.
00:10:17.460 He assaulted the store clerk because he thought that the clerk had said a word. Now, side note,
00:10:22.260 I don't actually believe him about this. I don't think that he thought that the word was used. I
00:10:26.440 think that this was something both brothers decided to do for fun and for viral fame. That's
00:10:31.540 my theory. But in any event, going based on his testimony, he assaulted the Macy's guy because he
00:10:36.320 thought that the Macy's guy had said a word. We can assume that Demir Palmer would not have assaulted
00:10:41.800 a black man for saying that. In fact, we know he wouldn't because he himself uses the word he's
00:10:47.580 supposedly mad about the employee allegedly using while he's assaulting the employee for using the
00:10:52.060 word, which he didn't actually use, if you're following me. In other words, he assaults the
00:10:57.100 employee because the employee is a white man who he thought used a certain word. He assaulted him
00:11:04.280 for being a white man using a certain word. This is not an argument that the word is the same when
00:11:11.060 used by white people as by black people. That's not my point. It's an argument that this assault
00:11:15.380 was undeniably motivated by the combination of the alleged word and the race of the person who
00:11:21.760 said it. That is by definition a racially motivated attack, a hate crime. He should be going to federal
00:11:29.240 prison for this. But we know that everything is in two tiers in this society. The media puts black
00:11:35.980 on white assaults and murder on one tier, a low tier, white on black on another, and the justice system
00:11:41.100 does the same. Third point, speaking of the justice system, we see here the actual type of reform that
00:11:49.200 is necessary. Put aside all the racial stuff and the double standard, all of that. Think about this
00:11:53.580 youthful trainee nonsense. The justice system in Michigan, home to Detroit, one of the most violent
00:11:58.040 cities in America, considers adult violent criminals to be trainees and will release them back into society
00:12:07.080 without even any indication that they are actually violent and dangerous. There's no justice here
00:12:13.220 because there's no punishment. And they're failing to protect society on two levels. First, by releasing
00:12:18.900 violent criminals back into communities and then by refusing to tell the communities that these are
00:12:23.140 violent criminals. So a law like this fails in every conceivable way to ensure that the justice system
00:12:29.980 does what it's supposed to do. You know, we don't have a large scale problem in this country of the
00:12:35.620 justice system system coming down too hard on the bad guys. There may be, there's some examples of
00:12:40.660 that, sure, but there are many, many, many more examples of the justice system putting on, you know,
00:12:46.340 its kid gloves and slapping violent, dangerous people on the wrist and then patting them on the
00:12:51.860 head and sending them on their way. Practically inviting them to continue committing crimes until they've
00:12:56.460 finally done something so heinous that even the most lenient and henpecked prosecutor has no choice but to
00:13:01.780 take the book and throw it at them rather than doing what they normally do, which is to take the book
00:13:05.480 and throw it out, allowing criminals to continue along in their criminal ways. The streets of our
00:13:12.080 cities are overrun by dangerous, violent people who are known to the system, known to be dangerous and
00:13:19.940 violent and yet are permitted to stay out on the street, free, unencumbered. And the story often has
00:13:27.120 a predictable, infuriating, and tragic ending. And something tells me that the story of Demir Palmer
00:13:32.900 Veri may have the same sort of ending. Let's go to five headlines.
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00:15:54.260 um, two-year-old Owen Buell and you could see him right there. Uh, Owen has cancer stage four
00:16:01.300 neuroblastoma. Owen, along with his family has been staying at the Ronald McDonald house near
00:16:07.320 Lori children's hospital in Chicago. Ronald McDonald house was targeted by looters and rioters during the
00:16:12.600 riots a few days ago. Yes. A place with cancer stricken children, um, was attacked. The glass
00:16:20.940 was shattered. Dora was shattered to make matters worse. Owen was supposed to go home to have his
00:16:25.280 birthday party. And he just, he just turned two. This little guy has earned his birthday party more
00:16:30.640 than, than, than certainly I've ever earned a birthday party. Um, and he apparently is a big fan
00:16:35.680 of llamas who isn't, I'm a big fan of llamas too. And so his, his mom had had a big three foot tall
00:16:41.280 stuffed llama shipped to the house as part of the birthday celebration. She was looking forward to
00:16:45.160 bringing him home. So you can see that. Um, but the party had to be canceled because of the riots.
00:16:51.780 They couldn't discharge any children in the middle of this. So Owen missed his birthday party.
00:16:57.840 Meanwhile, as Owen's mother describes it, they could hear, I mean, just imagine that these children,
00:17:02.460 they could hear the noise, they could hear the, the, the sirens and the gunshots and everything and
00:17:05.940 all the chaos. And while they're trapped at this place, imagine the fear and the terror for these
00:17:11.160 kids who are already going through something that no kid should have to endure. So if you need
00:17:18.560 another reason to despise the rioters and BLM, here it is just reprehensible, awful, self-obsessed
00:17:27.740 people who don't give the slightest damn about anyone but themselves. Remember something, remember,
00:17:34.200 remember we played this yesterday, the BLM activists in Chicago justifying looting by saying that they
00:17:40.940 should be able to take whatever they want because they're entitled to it. Let's play that again.
00:17:44.340 I don't care if somebody decides to loot a Gucci or a Macy's or a Nike because that makes sure that
00:17:51.740 that person eats, that makes sure that that person has clothes, that makes sure that that person can
00:17:56.900 make some kind of money because the city obviously doesn't care about them. Not only that, that's
00:18:01.420 reparations. That is reparations. Anything they want to take, take it because these businesses have
00:18:08.040 insurance. They're going to get their money back. My people aren't getting anything.
00:18:12.820 So BLM is taking whatever they want because they're entitled to it. While cancer stricken toddlers
00:18:17.980 are deprived of their birthday parties. Because there's a direct correlation. Because BLM had to
00:18:26.200 take what it is owed, apparently, that meant that cancer stricken toddlers out of luck.
00:18:31.280 By the way, positive note here, if you go to my Twitter right now, I've got a link up to the GoFundMe
00:18:38.680 for Owen. And it's a GoFundMe for, you know, for, of course, his medical expenses and whatever else
00:18:46.220 the family needs the money for. And so you can go there and if you have it in, if you're able to
00:18:51.280 donate, then do that. Someone sent me the GoFundMe page yesterday. It had raised $20,000
00:18:56.500 when they sent it to me since February. And then I put it up and we all kind of rallied together.
00:19:03.740 And overnight, we doubled it for another $20,000. So go to my Twitter if you can and donate there.
00:19:11.280 All right. The manager of a bakery in Chinatown was trying to talk to Mayor Bill de Blasio about
00:19:16.920 how the shutdowns and the COVID policies have affected, have destroyed his business. And he's
00:19:21.160 getting quite emotional in this clip, understandably. But let's look at de Blasio's
00:19:25.920 response to him. Watch.
00:19:27.920 We've been taking a hit since January. We lost our Chinese New Year, our busiest day of our community.
00:19:35.720 The most festive holiday that we have, then COVID happened. Now we're all hurting ourselves.
00:19:41.320 What we need is more confidence. I know Margaret Cheney, but we need help. We need more confidence.
00:19:52.660 My merch is going to be more confidence.
00:19:55.040 All right.
00:19:56.600 Everybody, please, step aside.
00:19:58.380 A little bit of space, please. Thank you very much.
00:20:02.880 Yeah, he just doesn't care at all. Speaking of self-obsessed, not giving the slightest damn
00:20:07.700 about anybody but yourself, there's de Blasio. I mean, de Blasio, the rioters, BLM, Antifa,
00:20:14.220 these are all matches made in, well, not heaven, but in the other direction anyway.
00:20:19.100 Um, they're all, they're all sort of peas in a pod. Very, very similar in that way. He just,
00:20:24.820 he doesn't care at all. This guy's, this guy, you know, this, this, this business owner,
00:20:29.860 life, business destroyed. De Blasio couldn't, couldn't possibly care less, just walks away from
00:20:34.540 him. Number three, an article in the LA Times, uh, here's the headline says, want more diversity
00:20:39.180 in camping? Start with the gear. And then the article goes into detail talking about how fewer
00:20:44.840 black people go camping. Uh, and this, you guessed it is due to historical injustice and racism.
00:20:50.360 You know, all those laws on the books forbidding black people from camping. It's, well, you have
00:20:55.460 to admit those laws would be pretty bad if they existed. Now I, I'm, I, and let me say, I am
00:21:02.060 totally against those non-existent laws. I, those laws don't exist. And I say they should continue
00:21:07.240 not existing. Now, as for the question in the headline, I just thought, I know it's a rhetorical
00:21:11.880 question. I thought I'd answer it anyway. Want more diversity in camping. Allow me to answer that
00:21:15.620 question. No, I don't actually. Uh, I don't want more diversity in camping. I also don't want, I
00:21:20.400 don't, I don't not want more diversity in camping. I don't want more. I don't not want more. I just
00:21:25.520 have no feeling at all about the racial makeup of the camping community. It doesn't matter to me at
00:21:30.980 all. Shouldn't matter to anyone. People will camp if they want to. Uh, if they don't want to camp,
00:21:36.880 they won't. If more white people than black people want to go camping. Okay. Why would that
00:21:44.660 matter? Why does every single facet of society need to have a certain predetermined fill a certain
00:21:52.880 quota of a racial diversity quota? Who cares that this something like camping as with so many other
00:21:59.320 things in, in society, it really comes down to do people want to do it or not. It's like that with
00:22:06.300 the sexism claims. And we'll talk about more about this in a second, but we look at certain
00:22:10.660 industries and we say, well, there's, there's not enough women doing this job. But have you ever
00:22:14.980 thought that maybe there's not more women doing the job because women don't want to do that job?
00:22:21.000 Yeah, there's, there's a lot of, uh, there's not a lot of gender diversity in the roofing industry.
00:22:28.440 Okay. Most roofers on a hot roof in July, almost all of them men. In fact, I don't think I've ever
00:22:34.080 seen a female roofer. Maybe a few of them exist. Is that because females are excluded from root from,
00:22:39.700 from roofing? No, it's just because they don't want to do it. And so they don't, uh, I suspect
00:22:45.180 there's something similar going on with camping. All right. Uh, number four, huge news here. Um,
00:22:50.300 finally, we'll get to something important. Farmers in Botswana have come up with a, uh, an incredible
00:22:55.420 innovation. They figured out that you can prevent predators, lions, leopards, et cetera,
00:22:58.720 from attacking your cows. If you draw eyes on the cows, but, uh, you can see right here,
00:23:05.340 eyes on the butt. And they don't have to be very realistic eyes either. Apparently
00:23:10.540 even these lackadaisical eyes will work. Why do they work? Well, uh, they've done a whole study
00:23:18.160 to figure out why this works. I can tell you why it works. Would you want to eat a hamburger with,
00:23:22.680 with eyes on it? If you picked up your hamburger at Applebee's and there's, and there are eyes
00:23:28.760 staring at you, would you eat it? I mean, I still would because I'm hungry, but it would freak me
00:23:33.960 out. No question. Uh, all I can say is that this so far though, is a massive missed opportunity.
00:23:40.040 If these, if these farmers are drawing eyes, I know you probably thought the same thing as me,
00:23:45.300 right? We're putting eyes on the cow's butt. Okay. I'm with you there. Sounds good. Why aren't we
00:23:50.400 putting googly eyes? Go to Joanne Fabrics. If they have that in Botswana, get the googly eyes,
00:23:58.360 put that on the butt of the cow. More realistic, a lot funnier. Let's go. Number five. Finally,
00:24:05.300 a new study says that a certain mind controlling fungus can infect cicadas and turn them into zombies.
00:24:12.720 And to be honest with you, I'm really just mentioning the story, uh, as an excuse to
00:24:16.380 transition into a story about my kids. This is, that's the only reason. So we're putting that to the
00:24:19.840 side. Enough about the cicadas. Uh, I thought this was pretty great and I don't have anywhere else to
00:24:24.500 put it in the show. So I'm just going to tell you here. I, uh, yesterday, while I was out of the
00:24:28.200 house, our, our three-year-old son got mad at his brother, uh, because, uh, he, he wouldn't play
00:24:35.460 with toys with him. So our three-year-old took one of the toys, plastic shark, threw it at his older
00:24:41.500 brother, hit him in the eye, actually ended up giving him a nice little cut beneath the eye, like right
00:24:45.400 here. Um, and I guess my, my younger son's logic was, listen, if you don't want to play with the
00:24:50.540 toys with me, then I will beat you with them. That was his logic. Now he got punished for that,
00:24:55.360 of course. But when I got home, I decided that I should have a talk with him about it. And I was
00:24:59.800 talking to him about it and I asked him why he did it, even though I knew the answer, but I asked him
00:25:05.920 anyway. And he told me this was his, his excuse. All right. He told me that he was worried that his
00:25:12.000 older brother might be a zombie. So he threw the toy at him. That's what he said. And you know, I,
00:25:20.020 I didn't expect his excuse to be persuasive. I knew he'd have some excuse. I didn't expect it to
00:25:26.300 be so persuasive, but I heard that. And I thought, all right, fair. Who, I mean, who can, what do you
00:25:33.620 want him to do? He, I, he thought his brother was a zombie or not even that. See what I liked about it
00:25:38.000 was it wasn't, he didn't come out and outright accuse his brother of being a zombie. He said
00:25:43.080 might be. So, so it was, it was more of like a plausible theory that he couldn't rule out
00:25:49.060 without further investigation. And the investigation involved throwing a plastic shark at his eye. I
00:25:55.700 don't totally understand the connection there, to be honest with you, but I don't have any experience
00:25:59.300 battling zombies. Do you? So I don't think that we can really pass any judgment there. And I thought
00:26:04.600 that was, that was good. Kids will always, kids always coming up with the, it's one of the great
00:26:08.100 joys of being a parent is listening to all the excuses from your kids. I use the word joy. There
00:26:15.160 are other descriptions you could probably use, but I'm going with joy for right now. All right,
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00:27:07.420 I will be canceling women. Not all women, don't worry. In fact, if you are a woman, I hope that you
00:27:13.260 do not fall into the category of being canceled this afternoon. I am canceling women who have a
00:27:18.360 tendency to claim that relatively normal yet uncomfortable or irritating social interactions
00:27:23.280 are sexist. Now, I suppose I could simplify by saying I'm canceling feminists, but I think that
00:27:28.420 there may be some women who don't identify as feminists and yet still fall into this trap.
00:27:32.760 So now, look, I'm not talking here about things, words, behaviors that are actually abusive or
00:27:38.200 degrading to women. In fact, just this week, we've discussed the latest Cardi B song, which is
00:27:42.420 intensely degrading and dehumanizing to women. Yes, it was a woman who produced it, but even so,
00:27:47.580 it amounts to an attack on the dignity of women. And there's plenty of this sort of thing in the
00:27:51.480 culture. And if you're a woman who has spoken out about that, God bless you. To you, I say,
00:27:56.540 girl power. I will join you at the protest march for that. That's not what I'm talking about. What
00:28:01.800 I'm referring to here are, as I said, the more ordinary, everyday, social interaction-based sexism
00:28:09.560 claims. If you want examples of this kind of thing, just go to Google and type in sexist microaggressions
00:28:15.100 or everyday sexism or similar keywords. You'll be greeted with volumes and volumes, just like this.
00:28:20.400 One random example from Yahoo Finance. This is just one article that popped up, of many.
00:28:28.040 And the headline, why sexist microaggressions are holding women back at work. So just reading a
00:28:32.940 little bit of this, it says, around 64% of women are supposed to be exposed to this kind of
00:28:36.720 discrimination, according to the report, with black and lesbian women facing an even greater
00:28:40.080 variety of microaggressions in the workplace. And then it continues. So what are examples of
00:28:46.240 microaggressions experienced by women? That's a very good question. According to the Women in the
00:28:51.320 Workplace report, the most common issue is women having to provide more evidence of their competence
00:28:55.660 than men. And they are more likely to have their judgment questioned, even on things that they're
00:29:00.460 an expert in. And then the article goes into anecdotes from various women. Here's one. It says,
00:29:07.100 one Asian woman who had worked four years at a company told the report authors of her experience of
00:29:12.120 a microaggression. She said, I was in an elevator and pressed the button for the executive office.
00:29:16.140 Someone said to me, um, no, honey, that's for the executive offices. The interns are going to this
00:29:20.600 floor. That's not funny, but I, another Middle Eastern woman, uh, the vice president of a company
00:29:25.360 added, I walked into a meeting where I was the only woman in a very large room of men. And when I sat
00:29:30.340 down, an older white man from another company turned to me out of nowhere and, uh, said, could you take
00:29:36.080 notes for the meeting? Which was a little bit odd because I was the lawyer in the room, uh, the one
00:29:42.100 I'm doing the negotiating. Okay. So those, and then it goes into other anecdotes and so on and so
00:29:47.400 forth. Um, and then it, it's, it stipulates importantly, microaggressions can be hard to
00:29:52.420 pinpoint. They might be brief comments or small actions such as interrupting or talking over
00:29:56.520 someone in a meeting. No matter what form they come in, microaggressions can have a serious impact
00:30:01.980 and create a toxic working environment. They might seem innocuous, but over time, these incidents
00:30:06.280 and comments can lead to self-esteem, uh, or rather to low self-esteem, feelings of alienation and
00:30:11.480 impact on mental health. All right. So a few classic examples there of alleged micro sexism,
00:30:18.500 uh, that you find. There are other classics that you've no doubt heard being told the smile is one
00:30:24.160 women will sometimes complain that others remark on their lack of smiling and, uh, and they'll chalk
00:30:29.920 that up to sexism. Of course, there's the old favorite mansplaining and mansplaining is anytime a
00:30:35.880 man explains something in a condescending or patronizing way, I'm doing mansplaining right now. In fact,
00:30:40.700 unwelcome advice, a cousin of mansplaining is another example. So questioning of judgment,
00:30:46.280 interrupting, talking over, talking to a, uh, telling a woman to smile, explaining things,
00:30:50.180 doling out advice, unwelcome touching, unwelcome flirting. All of these are commonly considered
00:30:55.780 sexism and they're used to promote this, this, this narrative of a, of a patriarchal and male
00:31:01.320 privileged society. But it's all bogus, almost entirely bogus. Might there be some occasions
00:31:11.040 where a man interrupts or explains or says you should smile more because he has a low opinion
00:31:16.700 of women? Sure. I suppose so. I can't see inside anybody's mind. I don't know. What I do know is
00:31:22.000 this, that all of these things, all that I just listed, all of these supposed sexist anti-woman
00:31:27.940 aggressions, however micro they may be, happen to men all the time. All the time. None of this is
00:31:35.980 unique to women, nor is there any credible reason to assume that they, that they're experienced more
00:31:40.140 often by women. All we know, and save yourself the trouble of sending me links to studies. Look at the
00:31:46.080 studies. The studies say, the studies have declared. All we know is that women more often report and
00:31:52.640 remember these incidents and interpret them as sexism. What we do not know is that women actually
00:31:58.620 experience these events more often. And I submit that there's no good reason to assume they do.
00:32:06.500 Now, this is all anecdotal, of course, but that, you know, all of this is, the claims from feminists
00:32:10.660 are anecdotal. It's all anecdotal. So let me add my own anecdote. Okay. I am told to smile all the time.
00:32:15.580 I have just never cared enough to make note of it or, or of any specific incident and to store it
00:32:22.500 away in my head as a traumatic sex experience, sexist experience, because ultimately I don't care
00:32:27.220 what other people think of my demeanor or my personality. A lot of people hate me and hate
00:32:31.420 my demeanor and personality. Fine. Doesn't matter to me. Your opinion of me is irrelevant. I don't care.
00:32:38.180 What about being talked over? What about being interrupted, condescended to? Men experience that all the
00:32:43.600 time, all of that. Though men who learn to assert themselves will experience it less, but that's true
00:32:49.180 for women too. The point is that if you have a more submissive personality, you're more likely to be
00:32:54.960 ignored or overridden, especially in a work environment, in a competitive environment. That's not an anti-woman
00:33:00.560 thing. That's an, that's a human society thing, like it or not. What about unwelcome advice? Are you
00:33:05.960 kidding me? I would wager here that 95% of all the unwelcome advice given in a day across the world,
00:33:12.300 cumulatively, is supplied by women. Now this is partly a positive reflection of women though.
00:33:18.580 Women give advice, nag we used to call it, for the same reason that they gossip. It's the downside of
00:33:24.360 the more positive attributes more common in women, of sensitivity and empathy. Women are more likely to
00:33:30.500 care what other people are doing, thinking, saying, and feeling. Yes, this can lead them to gossip. It can
00:33:35.720 lead them to nag, but can also lead them to be wonderfully caring and invested in other people
00:33:40.320 and, you know, and very empathetic. Now men, we're less likely to care all that much about what other
00:33:46.600 people do. The plus side is that we don't nag very often. We're less prone to gossip. But the negative
00:33:51.880 side is that we can sometimes lack sensitivity. We can lack empathy. We can perhaps err on the side of
00:33:56.600 indifference more often than we should. This is a difference between the sexes and one of the reasons
00:34:01.840 why our differences are complementary and one of the reasons why it's so great to have a mom and dad in
00:34:05.940 the home to balance each other out. You need sort of both sides of this. But the point here is that
00:34:11.080 is simply that because of the masculine and feminine tendencies just described, some of this everyday
00:34:17.200 sexism is far more likely to come from women. So why does it seem like women experience these things
00:34:25.780 more? How could it be possible that somehow men have been become known in modern society as the nagging
00:34:32.380 busybodies while women are suddenly the aggrieved and frustrated victims of this behavior?
00:34:37.660 I mean, it's absurd. Well, I think it has a lot to do with another difference between men and women.
00:34:43.060 Men only articulate about 10% of their emotions and experience. For women, the number is closer to
00:34:48.600 225%. These are not scientific figures, I admit. But the point is that men don't talk as much about what
00:34:56.320 they're feeling and going through and are especially unlikely to go home and tell their wives elaborate
00:35:00.800 stories about, you know, being interrupted at a meeting or being told to smile and how upset it
00:35:06.580 made them. Not because it doesn't happen, but because for one thing, a man might feel embarrassed
00:35:11.160 that he was emasculated and therefore be more likely, if anything, to tell a story about some other
00:35:15.800 incident in the day when he was assertive and in control just to assuage his bruised ego. Also,
00:35:21.580 he won't bring it up because men are more practical, even about emotional matters and admittedly to a
00:35:27.500 fault sometimes. So a man will calculate in his mind whether the story about his day is actually
00:35:33.260 useful or relevant to anyone. And if he decides that it isn't, he won't say it. Women don't perform
00:35:39.880 those calculations as often for better or worse. Now, that's where the confusion comes from. It is
00:35:49.700 like so much of the confusion between the sexes, a matter of miscommunication or lack of communication.
00:35:55.540 And now I'm starting to sound like my wife, who, for the record, has never in her life said the
00:36:00.580 phrase microaggression or even sexism, unironically. I don't think I've ever heard her call anything
00:36:05.080 sexist ever, which is awesome. And so this time she is not the one being canceled, but a bunch of
00:36:11.460 other women are, I'm afraid, being canceled, which I'm sure they will hasten to say is sexist on my part.
00:36:17.940 So be it. The cancellation stands. And we'll leave it there. Thanks for watching, everybody.
00:36:24.300 Thanks for listening. Have a great day. Godspeed.
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